The Michael Jackson Cover-Up According To TheForerunner777

[RockyBalboa211]

God bless Michael Jackson!

[S0UTHERNC0MF0RT]

This is a very outlandish statement. Every video of Forerunner's I have seen hold Jesus as most high. Yet you claim Forerunner doesn't believe Jesus is Lord?

I think you misread your "evidence" of how Forerunner is a SDA. I'm sorry, but you are criticizing a fellow Christian for speaking the gospel of the Bible.

[Bingolly1]

The man is conspiracy insane. Follow him if you want to. He is conspiracy insane.

[S0UTHERNC0MF0RT]

I don't think he's insane. In fact, whenever he does make a conspiratorial claim, he provides sufficient evidence to support it. Maybe you're misinterpreting his claims.

By the way, his prices for the books are so much because he is trying to earn some income to help spread the gospel and truth. I mean, the guy started out making videos in his car. He is truly a blessing from God :-)

[Bingolly1]

Well just follow him on into hell then. It is your choice.

[S0UTHERNC0MF0RT]

With comments like that, I'm beginning to think you're not any kind of Christian at all. Saying things like that are sinful and mean.

[Bingolly1]

Was I suppose to care what you think?

[KingdoMentality]

All you have to do is go to forerunner777 website and you will see he is a SDA, which is a cult. They believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel, and They follow the false prophet Ellen G White.

[TheCuppycakedelight5]

If you believe the bible is the truth. Why do you denounce the sda church as demons? History perfectly matches the Bible . Please read the bible before accusing other of being led by Satan. How about foxes book of martyr's? that says William Tyndale was killed for translating the Bible into common English

[Bingolly1]

Now I know you are totally insane. Call a psychologist before it is to late. Then I see you do not even bother to check the errors of your sources. Typical SDA

[mapollo]

"How about foxes book of martyr's?"

Sorry, it's not a 'history book'. And niether is the Bible.

[Theoswift]

Hey this video is BULLSHIT the forerunner is the truth he speaks the gospel don't be confused with people like this they don't understand what the guy is trying to preach because they aren't close the GOD they judge the forerunner like hes a satanic person go and view all his videos and you will see the truth because right now most people are blind from it find savior read the bible let the savior come into you life and change it for the better.

[Bingolly1]

Actually forerunner is one of the most ignorant people I have met. He is a liar, a cheat and workd for Satan. You are his little demon. Nowe get gone

[veroelias]

Really? U have personally met him? When u met him, what gave u this impression?

[Childinfaith]

It's like Youtube is the online version of the twilight zone. I swear how can anyone actually believe that the Pope orchistrated the death of Michael Jackson to cover up a meeting that was recorded and televised worldwide? IF THE POPE WANTED TO KEEP SOMETHING A SECRET HE WOULDN'T PUT IN ON PAPER AND HAND IT OUT TO EVERYONE!

[Bingolly1]

With a perverted conspiracy mindset a person will dream up anything. GBU

[yzarcnyluj]

thanks for letting me know. i got interested in viewing forerunner777 videos. thank goodness i just started yesterday.

[Bingolly1]

It always is a good idea to check a person out before buying into what they teach. The standard is the Bible. GBU

[HeartofTopaz]

Finally, if anything represents the whore of Babylon, it would be America...founded by Protestants! clothed in riches and gold (the wealthiest nation on earth), who has influenced the entire world. America is also clothed in scarlet (colors of the flag).

[revelation2214kjv1]

Hello Bingolly. I am in the process of making video's that will prove that Sunday is in deed the take of the mark of the first beast as it is said in Revelation. We must obey the words of God rather then the words of men. What does the bible say about the first beast and it's Identification? Now we have to use the history books, reason being is because we are living in the last days. Revelation talks about a kingdom and 10 kings; Pope Benedict the XVI is the 7th king of this kingdom.

[Bingolly1]

You are in the process then of showing your theological ignorance. You already have here by calling the Pope a King. Get serious.

[revelation2214kjv1]

I am serious. look into the treaty that was signed in 1929 making the Vatican a sovereign state, a kingdom.

[Bingolly1]

Yep it signed treaties so it could become sovereign, before that it's territory was taken by two kings, Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte, and King of Italy Victor Emmanuel II. No one in the right mind would claim the small area of acreage is some threathing world dominating kingdom. Even the portion of Papal States before occupation was limited to a small area of Italy and never expanded beyond that. You really do need to get serious.

[revelation2214kjv1]

You say that the Sabbath means nothing to forerunner, but yet he has videos pertaining to the Sabbath. You speak of others ignorance but yet you hypocrite yourself in the process.

[Bingolly1]

Jesus speaks about lip service, forerunner runs around talking about sunday law, and how imporant the sabbath is, but he breaks the sabbath.

Matthew 15:8 This people honoureth me with their lips: but their heart is far from me. 9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.

[revelation2214kjv1]

How would anyone know if he breaks or keeps the Sabbath, to make such comment one would have to know the person. When it comes to Vatican City it sits on 7 hills just as the identification of the first beast. I even have the blue prints of the entire Vatican State and indeed the markings are there identifying each of the seven hills. Also the Vatican even states "City of the seven hill's". The old history of the Church, killed Christians for reading the bible. Goto a library and study it.

[Bingolly1]

I have and it's nonsense. Cite sources and substantiate your claims. If you have a blueprint the scholar who made it is off his bean the seven hills of Rome are across the tiber river and does not belong to the Vatican state. Please show me from the Vatican where it calls itself city of the seven hills & what history source for the claim they killed Christians for reading the bible. You made the claim now substantiate it. And don't cite from jack chick, hislop, bible light or aloha net etc.

[revelation2214kjv1]

You can find it the 1979 Britannica edition, There are others sets of history book that i just can't remember the names of them right now but when I get to the library on Tuesday, I will seek those history books out and pass on the info to you. I don't know what you're school curricular is, but here in Canada during my school days Religion was abolished from school and still is today, and I learned about the Roman soldiers and the Catholic church and the things they did in my history class.

[KingdoMentality]

If we are at the time at the Mark of the beast and all those who go to church on sunday have the mark. Then why are SDA's still allowed to buy and sell. The bible says you cannot buy or sell without the Mark of beast? How do you get the Mark of the beast which is in your words "sunday" how do you get that in your hand and forehead??? SDA doctrine is so confusing especially when it contradicts the word of God.

[kjmusic]

This will only happen when they make sunday mandatory for people to keep. Do your research in 321 ad constantine brought the pagans and christianity together and years later they made a sunday law where ppl cpouldnt buy or sell or work on sunday. Im giving you the brief explanation. So research it urself. SDA read the bible catholics jehovas witness and mormons made their own "bible" so idk what ur talking about. They are the ones who contradict the bible.

[HeartofTopaz]

First...the Pope is NOT a king! Secondly, if you believe in Jesus, you would know He is God, because He is Gods Word become flesh, and if you believe in His Word, you would believe in Jesus, who said He did not come to change the law, but came to FULFILL THE LAW! HE BECAME THE NEW SABBATH REST! In Him do we rest. And the mark of the beast is a physical thing on hand or forehead.

[SmithieC]

psxwarrior the whole Sunday Saturday issue isnt pointless at all. We should worship God everyday, but He has specifically instructed us 2 hold 1 day as sacred.

Bingolly1 I'd personally like 2 reason with you & hear what u believe... correct me if i am wrong but ur tone isn't welcoming 2 me. If we want 2 educate the world about God i would expect that we should do it the way Jesus did... with love and care and pity for persons who r confused & blinded by sin. let me hear 4m u if ur interested

[psxwarrior]

You know what, this whole argument of whether on Sunday or Saturday or any other day of the week is pointless. If God didn't want us to worship Him on Sundays, and worship on Saturdays, He would speak to all our hearts on the subject. Truth be told, Jesus Christ, Himself, is the sabbath. He IS our point of rest. Shoot, He even went around healing on the Sabbath, and teaching that if a sheep is in trouble on the Sabbath, would you save it, or would you let it die?

[kytekutter]

U R a Jesuit. It's pretty obvious!

[Bingolly1]

Your are very ignorant. It is obvious!

[MrKnowyourBible]

from all my research I am convinced that the Jesuits are the heart of all secret societies: but hide under the name of Jesus.I somehow think you know this, but pretend you don't. We are living in a sick world.

[Bingolly1]

Yes we are living in a sick world and you are long overdue in seeing a doctor.

[BeingBob]

You have made some very bizarre statements here. What research have you conducted? Please enlighten us. You also suggested that most Catholic universities are Jesuit institutions. Bingolly1 recommended that you study that topic, to which you replied that he wanted you to study at a Catholic university. Don't you see the problem with your line of thinking? He didn't say that at all. Then you asked if he is a Jesuit. The jump to conspiracy is unjustifiable from the context of the conversation.

[MrKnowyourBible]

Are you a Jesuit Bingolly? Seriously the society of Jesus, does it really has anything to do with Jesus?

[Bingolly1]

Your ignorance is a disease in itself. I suggets you take a good does of the real Jesus and call me in the morning. Do you not realize how sick you sound?

[MrKnowyourBible]

now what kind of a response is that? You are recommending studying at a catholic universities...So I would think you know that

[Bingolly1]

MrK, you asked a question and I told you it would be a good research for you to find out, are you suggesting there is something wrong with scholars from the Society of Jesus? Some of the best bible scholars are Jesuits and very devout to Jesus. My original comment was to herbert who thinks the CC is the occult. As usual false witness. His own church is a spin off from the millerite adventist movement with similar errors, false prophecy, and loaded with assumptions about others.

[MrKnowyourBible]

Hi Bingolli..Are not most catholic universities taught by the Jesuits? Do these same Jesuits teach the bible in these catholic universities?

[Bingolly1]

That would be something good for you to research. Have fun doing the research.

[herbertwarmstrong]

The Catholic faith is not the original faith, the original disciples were jews and observed jewish laws (ebionites and nazarenes). Catholicism is a later invention by Simon Magus, a known Roman magician.

[Bingolly1]

I hope that if you have a degree that you did not have to pay for it because you seem not to have learned much. Now give some evidence or be branded a liar.

[herbertwarmstrong]

Youre talking to a man that has studied the occult. Note the following:

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa: Of Occult Philosophy, Book I:

"I shall endeavor to deliver in these three Books: Whereof the forst contains naturall Magick, the second Celestiall, and the third Ceremoniall. they shall be approved of by the Universall Church, and the Congregation of the Faithfull."

see esotericarchives . com

[Bingolly1]

I am talking to a cult member who doesn't know Jack.  For you to say you studied cults is like Satan saying he studie demons. It is people like you and your heretic cult that leads millions into hell. You should be ahsamed but like Satan you brag at your Ellen White founded cult.

[herbertwarmstrong]

And your not brainwashed by catholic priests? Why two Popes, one black one white? The black one for black magic that the Jesuits perform. The white the sign of righteousness, to dupe fools like you.

[Bingolly1]

You are a very ignortant person and it is clear. Your stupidity is what leads people away from Christ not to him. You need to repent and pray for God to forgive you. Then go to a Catholic University where you can learn the Bible.

[BeingBob]

Please substantiate this claim regarding Simon Magus. If you are so well studied in peer reviewed world history we would appreciate it if you could share this knowledge in some detail. Thank you.

[MrKnowyourBible]

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;1Pe:1:13

But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer

[Bingolly1]

Yes and we should remind those who dtae set for the return of Jesus that is wrong and against God's word.

[Bingolly1]

I already posted this video is not about the sabbath, you reject the scripture from the New Testament that is right in front of your eyes.

[TheRockStillStands]

It looks like to me this forerunner is just out to make money and uses the SDA members to make money. Peace

[mapollo]

Oh my. I guess it takes all kinds.

[Bingolly1]

I think forerunner should thank me. Since I made this video, about a day and a half ago, his subs have gone up nearly 300. They went up by 48 in an hour. But one can make subs go up with money involved :)

[Bingolly1]

I just checked again. Now almost 400 subs in 2 days. Please tell me I don't smell a rat.

[dagonads]

im alarmed that Youtube wont allow me to post this link, but i can post about any other link...weird how some info doesn't want to be brought to light...But if anyone would like the link Confirming the Roman Catholic Churches establishment of Sunday worship, just send me a message and ill send it to you. or, just google catholicism revealed. Enjoy truth.

[Bingolly1]

Dagonads, there is a real problem here, you are defending the sabbath instead of Jesus Christ. You don't seem to care that your religion teaches that he is Michael the archangel. You are more concerned about this cultish sabbath. We rest in the Lord everyday, if we are His. You can't show me this verse where Jesus said you will have no salvation unless you worship the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit on Saturday only, no instead to Greatest commandment is to love Him.

[Bingolly1]

As I said sabbath means, rest, you flip flop, read your own comments, you said the day of rest didn't matter, and then now you seem to think defending the old sabbath is more important than Jesus Christ and who he is. I removed dagonads54 off of my friends list, this always turns into this when having discussions with sda, game playing. If you have that much to say make a video, obviously you can since you have a few on your dagonada account.

[Bingolly1]

If you want to believe Jesus is an archangel, or that the Catholic Church is evil then move along, because you are not going to convince me to believe a false christ that you can't even show me a verse for that calls his Michael, yet want endless verses on the sabbath, when it was never commanded to keep the old one, you can show no verse for that either. And you reject what Paul says over EGW.

[Bingolly1]

Not to mention you reject the entire New Testament if you believe the spirit of sda prophecy egw over the Testimony of Jesus Christ, I can only pray for you, I am not here to change your mind, but show you the truth, and defend the false attacks you church makes because of its founders. Only the Lord can move your heart away from sda false teaching and prophecy. God bless you

[mapollo]

"worship the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit on Saturday only"

That is sad. Why not worship everyday? It is strange they should limit God to one day. I'm reminded of something St. Bonaventure said:

"God is a sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere"

[Bingolly1]

I have noticed that I could make a video about rat poison and it turns into a discussion on the Sabbath. GBU

[hkmai]

you seem to forgotten the history of the catholic church during the dark ages. the institution of the catholic church persecuted up to a hundred million people during that time, and did not allow the mass to read and understand the bible for themselves but they interpreted their own beliefs to control the people. if the pope can have the same authority that the catholic church possessed during the dark ages, the same will happen, forget about freedom of conscious!

[Bingolly1]

Please share with me what your religion is since you are so ashamed of it you do not put it on your profile page. Then pleae supply me with a source for your information othert than the hatred in your heart for teh Catholidc people. Surely to have a source.

[mapollo]

Jeepers....Ellen White quickly comes to mind...or have you forgotten her?

[BeingBob]

Could you please document this number of 100 million? I have seen this number range from 50 million to 100 million. I cannot find accurate information to substantiate these numbers, unless

[psxwarrior]

LOL Funny.

[hkmai]

we should worship God everyday, but the sabbath was the day that he appointed for us to set aside for Him, of course we cannot go to church everyday but we do worship him on our own time when we're not in church. but the sabbath day is special because that's when he rested from all his work that he has created. God did not rest everyday, He rested one day which is sabbath after he created all things on for six days

[mapollo]

We are the people of the New Covenant. You diminish the sacrifice of the Word Made Flesh by following the old covenant. Remember what is said in Revelations? 'I make everything new'. Will you try to make His words a lie?

Everything is God's. Every day, every thing. He does not need one day. But we need to give Him all of our days.

[dagonads54]

These quotes from the heads of your church should be clear enough for anyone to decipher that Sunday Worship is an establishment of MAN, not God. On the athority of the Roman Catholic Church, the Sabbath was moved to the back burner. There is ZERO scripture in the Bible that supports the abolishment of the Sabbath, and the institution of Sunday Worship. I challenge you to provide text. Till then? :)

[Fabj11]

I just have a question for BIngolly1 you dont need to respond ....Are you ready for Christ return?........you can question SDA teaching all you want, who cares about that stuff.....ARE YOU READY To GO TO HEAVEN? take an inventory because that is the only thing that matters right now in this WORLD

[Bingolly1]

We should be ready every day, are you ready to go to heaven? Do we need false prophets to tell us to get ready when Jesus told us to stay ready and stay in Him. This is known when he told us of, The parable of the ten virgins and of the talents. No one knows if tomorrow will be their last day.

[Bingolly1]

Luke 12:40 Be ye there also ready, for as what hour you think not, the Son of man will come.

[dagonads54]

ve seen before. Im so sorry for commenting so much, but this is a GREAT topic and our world is very much changing before our eyes. These things have been predicted way before their occurrences (i.E. the calling of such a union) so we cant help but see the importance in it. Both of u guys raise very Valid points...but not once did i hear either of you advocate the need for knowing the Lord 4 ourselves.

*SDA's do NOT believe E. White is christ. Shes just a vessle (Just as the pope is a vessle)

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - thank you for posting, You were kind in your responses. I believe you have the desire to know Jesus Christ, but he is not an archangel, and you really should study the bible and have a hard look at what your modern church has taught to you, many people mean well, but are deceived, leading others into deception. I find many adventist do not know what is in their own writings.

[Bingolly1]

1 John 1:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? The Catholic Church believes He is the Christ and we do not deny him or our Father God in Heaven, so it is not the Catholic Church is not the antichrist or the whore of Babylon as the sda have claimed since it's founding. God bless you

[dagonads54]

No problem Bingo. I love a good debate:) And yes, i do want to know Jesus better for myself..thats why I take all others opinions very seriously. I do believe that the SDA church (as does ALL churches) have innate flaws because there are governed hands on by humans, who are automatically effed up. And i do think we should delve deeper into the bible and our supplemental teachings. I think everyone should. But you have to understand that not all interp. are correct. we, as humans, are often wrong

[dagonads54]

LOL at his book prices though, but you gotta understand a few things about that. People all over the world are lowering and jacking up prices on everything, not just religious, supplementary books. I can go buy a Jay-z album at full price for 20, or go to the hood and buy is for 10 (real copy), or buy a bootleg for 5, or download it for free. SO you cant use the man's price ranges to condemn him and judge him. Being an Adventist myself, i have to say the prices are very resonable, based on some

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - we are not talking about Jayz, the books the forerunner777 gets he buys himself from Adventist very cheap, harvest time sells them in bulk very cheap for re-distribution. And the online books of egw are free not bootleg. They can be found at Ellen White Estate and many other Adventist sites. But if you find it reasonable to charge 45 dollars more for the same 9 books then buy them. :)

[dagonads54]

I get them Free, along with all annual devotions and Message Magazines since my Grandfather laid the groundwork for most of the churches around the Country when he was alive. I've seen the prices vary from state to state, from country to country. It all depends on whos selling them, really. And heck yea theres bootleg EGW! lol ive seen em.

[Bingolly1]

Well since you find them so reasonable, maybe you can give them for gifts, are you saying the books online at the EGW estate are bootleg, some of them are out of copyright and in the internet archives. $45 bucks is a steep variance.

[dagonads54]

LOL well i give them away no charge, since they are sent to my family by the Conference. But again, dont be hasty to attach human flaw to the Whole of the SDA community. Forerunner is human too, so please dont condemn us for his money-making hustle. Im sure that not all Christians or Catholics are as upstanding as we all should be. Everyone makes stupid decisions (forerunners crazy sale), but that shouldnt lead us to quick judgements and generalizations.

[dagonads54]

But honestly Bingolly1, these types of videos must be made. The argument must be struck up because no matter which side you pick, your gonna hafta PICK. So its always good to have these forums where ppl can share ideas and opinions. Only thing i wish was that you (and forerunner777) would present your findings from a more unbiased standpoint. You dont have to call us (SDA) sults or sects, because we are not that at all. Just another denomination among the COUNTLESS others.

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - This video is a response to many bias attacks Adventist make against Catholics, and Yes you do have to choose, Jesus is not an archangel, this is a false christ and false gospel and goes against the testament of Christ. Jesus Christ who is not an archangel did not leave behind countless sects, he never called himself an angel or Michael, neither did anyone else call him that in the bible. And Michael the archangel never called himself the son of God or Jesus Christ.

[dagonads54]

Jesus also never called himself the holy spirit, Yet would you say that they are separate? Who is the trinity to you, the God-head:

God the father, son, and holy spirt (in who's names we are baptized)

Jesus stated that after pentacost, he would be sending his spirit back to dwell with us. But arent they still apart of the same body? My point is that God isn't shackled by mere titles. He extends further than names can reveal, more than humans can comprehend.

*sent you a friend request. accept!

[Bingolly1]

1 John 5:7-8 And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. And there are three that give testimony on earth: the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one.

John 1:14 The Word made flesh

Matthew 28:19 the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

What verse is the archangel in the Trinity? The Godhead, Heavenly Trio? I dont find this verse? The friends request was accepted earlier.

[dagonads54]

No, i don't know where in the Bible it states that God is the Archangel. You win that one......for now...lol

I found an article written by a Cardinal that you may find interesting, if not alarming. I will send you the link personally.

[Bingolly1]

Just send the link, I can bet I have read it, I am sure I won't be alarmed, don't cut and paste the whole article, just link it. Adventist have many old clippings of what this cardinal or that cardinal said, or didn't say, many dating to the late 1800 or early 1900's, it doesn't matter, it is what the Church teaches according to the bible that is correct. God bless

[Bingolly1]

Oh, one more thing, if you can't find in the bible that God or Jesus is the Archangel, then why would you believe it? Just asking? This goes beyond the claim that Michael or Archangel is another name for Jesus, which can't be found in scripture, as I showed you from the adventist founder, pastors, leaders, etc, they believe they are one in the same, there is no scripture for this and is not the testimony of Jesus Christ. GBU

[dagonads54]

Great point. I have no argument there, only an additional point to yours. There is NO Bible text where God commands us to cease resting and Worshiping on the Sabbath day, and begin worshiping on Sunday....yet you still worship on Sunday, in opposition to the Fourth Commandment. I scoured my Bible and failed to find any supporting text in where God does away with the Sabbath/Fourth Commandment. In fact, He and His Disciples confirm it in the New Testament.

[dagonads54]

Just sum quick questions. Why does the Catholic Church teach Sunday Worship when there is nothing in the Bible that says to do so? I mean....even in the New Testament, Jesus Christ was still keeping the Sabbath, along with all of the other Jews. So if the Sabbath was done away with back in Amos, Why would they still Worship all the way in Matthew? As serioius as God is about his Laws, im Sure Jesus would have stopped Worshiping on the Sabbath day if His Father wanted it done away with...right?

[Bingolly1]

Stuck on the sabbath, when you can't show me a verse that says "Jesus the Son of God" is an angel named Michael? I made videos on this false christ, enjoy truth as you say.

[dagonads54]

in church or bow quietly and eat wafers. WHO CARES. That does NOT determine your entrance into the kingdom. YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD DETERMINES THAT. The POPE will go to HELL if God does not know hum personally. All SDA members will burn in the lake of Fire if they have not accepted the gift of salvation and come to know God for themselves.

Also, Nobody ever said God or Jesus was the Archangel. The Bible specifically says that "he will return with a SHOUT n with the VOICE of the Archangel"

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. John 6:53-54. Do you think that was just a suggestion from Christ, the Eucharist is necessary. Do you think God is going to reject a person eternal life if it were just a symbol of Christ body and blood? He meant what he said.

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - Nobody ever said God or Jesus was the Archangel. Yes the sda do teach this, I will show you. Ellen White - "When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, 'There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [Christ] your prince."- Desire of Ages, Pg. 103 - The voice in the wilderness, Chapter 10 - The SDA main site, does state her writings are the inspired word of God.

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - Doug Batchelor sda pastor and owner of amazing facts. He states,"In conclusion, we see this majestic and mysterious being, sometimes called Michael, sometimes the angel of the Lord, sometimes the commander of the Lords army, [[veiling His divinity]] and appearing in the form of a humble angel. Yet this same enigmatic being has the power, authority and attributes that belong only to God. Cont-

[Bingolly1]

Doug Batchelor sda pastor and owner of amazing facts. He evicts the devil from heaven; He resurrects the dead; He intercedes for the saints; He judges and then stands, launching the great time of trouble. He redeems the saints and receives their worship. He offers us a new name. [[Now you may know who Michael is, but the devil knows too, and it won't save him. The big question is: Do you know Him as Jesus your personal Lord and savior."]] Doug Batchelors quote not mine.

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - Ángel Manuel Rodríguez "So even though the Bible does not clearly identify Michael with Christ, there is enough biblical information to warrant the view that They are the same person." Adventist biblical research

[dagonads54]

Good catch. That clear. But let me ask you. Who is the Lord to you? how many names or characters or personas does he take on? I can think of a few:

Jesus

Christ

Jesus Christ :)

Messiah

God the Holy Ghost/Spirit

God the Father

God the Son

Archangel/Michael

I don't believe it was the intention to have people separate the sovereignty of these deities and worship them as separate people. But you're right, its stated clearly.

[Bingolly1]

Show me scripture where anyone called him Archangel or Michael.

Show me scripture where God ever called His Son and Angel? Angels are created beings, Jesus Christ is not a created angel.

[hkmai]

jesus is not a created being of course, he's eternal with the father and the holy spirit. but in Greek angel means messenger. when the bible refer to michael the archangel it doesn't refer to the created being, it refer to messenger, the highest messenger who is like God=jesus

[Bingolly1]

Like I said, did a video, adventist teaching is fork tongued, on one side oh no he is created, the next oh yes he is michael the archangel who is created, he is Jesus, just not created. Never mind the fact all angels are created including Michael. Michael the archangel has a name, never declared to be Christ, Michael is one of other archangels. Jesus Christ is also a specific person and he never declared himself to be Michael. As I said you have no verses to prove your false Christology.

[MikhalisBramouell]

The angels are created beings. In the beginning, there was only God, and nothing but God. There are seven archangels, the chief being Raphael, who is in the Old Testament book of Tobias, a book omitted, from modern protestant bibles.

[MikhalisBramouell]

Michael is the captain of the host of God. The King and the Captain are not the same persons. David had generals beneath him.

[Bingolly1]

The whole thing that SDA never can figure out is that Jesus was never called Michael and Michael was never called Jesus. Jesus was never any kind of angel. Neither any kind of archangel. They cannot see angel at the end of arch I guess.

[MikhalisBramouell]

But the fallacy is professed in his words... As he said, Michael means who is LIKE God... We should all be very aware that Christ IS God. The Aryans and Semi-Arians during the 4th century were all excommunicated for denying scripture in saying that Christ was not the of the same essence with God.

[Bingolly1]

The Early Church Fathers settled this but some people believe they know more than the Early Fathers. GBU

[MikhalisBramouell]

Some people indeed. Ειρήνη σου, my friend.

[hkmai]

yes michael is the name of preincarnated Christ. do you know what Michael means in Greek, do research. Micheal = who is like GOD, jesus is like GOD. what does Archangel means? arch= means # 1 or highest. so lets put it together Michael the Archangel= means the highest messenger who is like GOD, Jesus is like GOD!!!! Research and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free, don't be in bondage!

[Bingolly1]

There is no angel in the Holy Trinity. Angels are created beings. Show the verse where Jesus Christ is called Michael, show me where he professes to be Michael the archangel by that name, Where did Michael declare himself to be Christ. Show me a verse where God ever called an angel his son? You are teaching and preaching a false testimony. If you have further comments about this take it to this video Counterfeit Christ - Jesus Is "NOT" Michael The Archangel watch?v=RaQS0ayT9fQ

[hkmai]

the word angel in greek means messenger, Archangel means highest messenger, Michael means who is like God!. therefore Michael the archangel means the highest messenger who is like GOD! how much more clearer can it be???????????? names in the bible is all about meanings if the bible says Michael the archangel who else but CHRIST. did you study rev. and jude that i cited???????

[Bingolly1]

did a video, you are repeating ellenwhiteisms, the bible doesn't teach this, see video Jesus is not an archangel, counterfiet christ.

[MikhalisBramouell]

In the New Testament, it is indicated that Christ is NOT homoiousios(Like to God), but homoousis(the SAME Essence), not greater than or less than the Father, but the same Entity.

[MrBkofi]

@hkmai CONGRATULATIONS

[dagonads54]

Agreed! But do you think that the thief on the cross was being joked with when Jesus said to him "...we will be together in paradise." ? The thief saw redemption in the Lord next to him and accepted the gift. And jesus said he would be with him an Heaven. Im sure the thief did not have time to come down and take communion before he croaked. It would be impossible and foolish to try to hold everyone to the same standard because everyone has not been educated as well as you or I have.

[Bingolly1]

John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life: so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. Christ knew what was in his heart and his desire, we don't, and tell me what happen to the other thief on the cross?

He left instructions for the rest of us, Jesus will do what he wants. Do you deny John 6:53-54, I find it strange that people who claim they are Christians deny the words of Christ and act as if they were just mere suggestions.

[dagonads54]

I don't deny it. I don't think i said anything in opposition to it either. And i agree with you fully on your last statement about Christians living as though God's law is a suggestion. A lot of Christians take extreme biased views from there standpoint, refuting any knowledge that may come their way, as if they've gleaned the full extent of the gospel in their years here on earth.

And the other thief on the crossed was not justified. His approach was more mocking than pleading for salvation

[dagonads]

simply because of the way they let their hearts be flooded with Christ and they become changed. They accept the gift of salvation with no regard for religion or denomination or watever. Because God did not say he sent his son down so the Catholics or the SDA's could be saved, and hope that anybody else joins one of the too clubs. Please. Jesus died for EVERYONE to be able to be cleansed and healed and changed into the person designed for us. Who cares what day you worship on or if you dance

[Bingolly1]

dagonads -Yes, Christ died for everyone all of mankind, but not all of mankind will make it to heaven, he tells us this and only God can judge, yet the SDA claim that if you do not worship on saturday you are taking the mark of the beast, well then they are claiming all those who worshiping the Lord on Sunday are going to be damned. This is written all over sda literature. So why are you defending their teaching if you believe otherwise?

[dagonads54]

Matthew and Luke were written between 60 and 80 AD. Luke does not tell us of a day change, but instead he states in Luke 23:56, And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Jesus also showed that the Sabbath would still be kept after the cross when He was talking to the Disciples about the forthcoming destruction of the temple in about 70 AD. Jesus says in Matthew 24:20, And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. Idk why Jesus would even mention it

[Bingolly1]

Not matter when those books were written it is still the canon of the bible. Ellen Whites writings are not canon. Are you saying Paul is incorrect? Rom 14:5-6 This is the word of God. There is no verse in the NT to keep Saturday as the only day of worship. Show me where Jesus said to keep Saturday as the only day? The Catholic Church has mass daily, even on Saturday. He said pray it not be on the sabbath because it was such a burden, they even put restrictions on a sabbath day journey.

[Bingolly1]

Sabbath comes from the Hebrew word shabath Strong's H7673 it means cease, rest, stop, it doesn't mean Saturday. We rest in Christ, Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Salvation is not in a day, but in Christ. But we are to stop, rest and worship the Lord. Why are many adventist online on the sabbath if they are suppose to worshiping from sundown friday til sundown saturday? Are they breaking the sabbath?

[dagonads54]

Thanks for the correction. I did not mean Sabbath meant Saturday. Simply the day it was meant to be kept on. And you cant really expect every adventist (or christian for that matter) to follow The commandments to a T. If that was the case, then why do you lie on a tuesday? or cheat on a Friday midterm. Or screw around with your wife on monday? No one law is greater than the next, and sin is sin, and no matter what sin it is, believe its efficient enough to keep you from your Saviour.

[Bingolly1]

According to EGW sda prophetess Sabbath/Saturday is the greatest commandment. If you are not keeping it then you are not following her inspired word. :)

"No one law is greater than the next," You are wrong, I am going to answer this last one and go eat dinner.

Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law?

[Bingolly1]

Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [This is the greatest and the first commandment.] And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40

[dagonads54]

What i meant by that was, no one SIN is greater than another. And Sin is transgression of the Law.

Sorry, i didnt mean to say one law was greater.

[Bingolly1]

According to the Old Testamnet there were sins greater than others. Not all sin were covered on the Day of Atonement. Then some sins called for death while others didn't. Yes sin is sin but apparently there were sins worse than others.

[dagonads]

But All sin will, ultimately, lead you to hell. So id say they are all equal.

[hkmai]

i'm an SDA, we don't teach that worshiping on sundays will send you to hell. But the bottom line is that you want to do the right thing right? if we want to follow the commandments should we follow the commandments? is it ok to kill? of course not, is it ok to steal? not at all. is it ok to commit adultery? certainly not. is it ok to lie? not again. are those one of the 10 commandments? yes, so does the 4th commandment, then why is it ok not to worship on saturday you tell me that.

[Bingolly1]

"i'm an SDA, we don't teach that worshiping on sundays will send you to hell." How much closer can you get than teaching it is the mark of the beast to worship the Lord on the day he ressurected? As all adventist you defend the sabbath and ingore the false christ your preach. The sabbath won't save you, having the correct testimony of Christ is what will save you. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, not Ellen White, or an angel. Rev 19:10

[hkmai]

yes the testimony of jesus is the spirit of prophecy, then what is the spirit of prophecy??? don't say that it's the testimony of jesus, we all know that, define to me what is the spirit of prophecy.

[Bingolly1]

"What is the spirit of prophecy", just as the bible said, it's testimony of Christ it's real clear just as it reads in scripture, and going around claiming sunday is the mark of the beast or Jesus is an archangel isn't the testimony of Christ, but a false tesitmony, false christ, same for soul sleep, investigative judgement, bearing false witness in false prophecy isn't the testimony of Christ, but of Ellen White.

[dagonads]

time bashing other denominations (like your forefathers have done no matter what denomination you may be),

OR you can work on yourself as a PERSON. as a child of GOD. Who cares which day you worship. Please believe that there will not be one type of Christion in heaven. There will be hindus, Arabs, China-folk, Yankees, Indians, Pygmies, Mandingos, Europeans, Brits, koreans, Muslims, perfect, rightious men, sinners, healers and rapists, preachers and thugs who ALL make it into the kingdom

[dagonads]

Thats not the case. You will defend the religion you were brought up in just as vehemently as you'd defend your west coast origins or your east coast heritage, as an example. What all CHRISTIANS (baptists, Catholics, SDA, etc) should understand is that Nothing else matters besides your PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with your saviour. When Jesus comes back, he will either say "What's up my child." Or "Who the heck are you" based on you guy's personal relationship. You can either spend your

[Bingolly1]

dagonads - The truth is what I am defending which is in Christ. Christ left one church not thousands of different denominations all preaching something different about who Christ is. Christ didn't leave some open just do what you want , teach what ever you want religion. Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 7:21

[dagonads]

A few comments as I watch this. I am SDA, my parents were and so on. All denominations have their specific doctrine along with supplemental readings (i.e. Ellen White) that were certainly never meant to be used as a replacement for the bible that was written by MEN but inspired by God. You will have to expect flaws n EVERYTHING produced by men. Its n our nature 2 screw up and sin, we were born w/ this iniquity. My father is no die hard "sect" SDA member as Bingolly will have you think we all are

[Bingolly1]

dagonads who cares which day you worship

true, the point of most Christians make, the day doesnt matter, Rom 14:5-6, yet because the Adventist believe Sunday is the mark of the beast and that the sabbath is the greatest commandment and the seal of God because of Ewhites vision, then they attack Catholics with Ellen White nonsense. Sunday is not the mark of the beast, it is the day Christ was risen from the dead as promised.

[Bingolly1]

We rest in him, and the greatest commandment is to Love God with all your heart and soul, the 2nd to love your brother Matthew 22:36-40.

[sikovit]

The POPE is "THE ANTICHRIST"....

Speaking God....But burning people at the stake!

[Bingolly1]

Show me some Bible proof or reveal your ignorance.

[observingwatcher]

Actually statistics say that Protestants (or at least Protestant influence) were responsible for more stake burnings and witch hunts compared to Catholics. :p

[sikovit]

BOTH HAVE BEEN MISLEAD!

So....Does everyone think ..ONE MAN IS HOLIER THAN ANOTHER?

[Bingolly1]

Sikovit until you can answer my previous question your commnets will not be accepted.

[hkmai]

haha that's absurd, of course protestants were responsible for stake burnigs, they were the ones who were being burned by catholics, so in that sense you are correct! they

[Bingolly1]

hkmai demonize the Catholic Church with your out of proportion history to distract others from the false christ and false prophecy, in hopes they won't notice the pit you lead them to. More sda indoctrinated anti-Catholicism. How can the sda leaders past or present say they follow the commandments of God when they teach such false witness against Jesus Christ and His Church?

[hkmai]

the catholic institution claim that their church is the church of christ, but how can the church of Christ uphold sunday worship when christ established sabbath as the day of rest!

[Bingolly1]

Because we are not limited to just one day to worship the Lord, we rest in him everyday, and the Catholic Church has mass everyday given to the Lord, What do these verses say? Rom 14:5-6 We have a New Covenant, We are suppose to worship praise God daily and out of love, we are not under the law. You people cant get over the fact that sabbath doesnt mean Friday or Saturday, it means rest, our [rest] sabbath is Christ, still yet we choose to worship the Lord also on the day he resurrected.

[SmithieC]

couldnt have said it any better

[observingwatcher]

Sounds like another YouTube nut who needs to stop drinking the kool-aid. Does this guy know ANYTHING about diplomacy or foreign policy?

I mean I've read a fair bit of political commentary criticizing the U.N. and all but none of them had even a hint of this end-times foolishness.

P.S.

I'll pass on the shopping though. I'll wait for the appropriate opportunity to buy both those books and books by the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens. Burn those all together and you'll get the best bonfire ever.

[Bingolly1]

I believe you have an great idea there.  But you can get his at the non-discounted prices :)

[hkmai]

yeah you're looking to burn those books, i bet among those books will include the bible!

[SpiritofNewman]

Thanks Bing for effectively debunking this outlandish allegation against the pope.I also enjoyed the music from Bach's St.Matthews passion in the background.

[Bingolly1]

Glad you enjoyed the music, I doubt if it will change the mind of forerunner777, but it will certainly give others the truth. God bless you!

[iosacriost]

nothing like a good old dose of Fundamentalism..... :)

[Bingolly1]

Just as long as we do not get an overdose. GBU

[heartofmygod]

lets go shopping ! crazy:)

[Bingolly1]

and comparison shopping too! but we aren't going to find any discounts from forerunner! :)

[SoldierofChrist12345]

Much Better Dude. I can read this one. Peace of Christ Be with You.

[Bingolly1]

Good deal!  Peace be with you too!

[hkmai]

i'm speaking of the truth, nothing i said is false, which is the Church of christ? are you claiming that the catholic church is the church of christ? that's absurd, i think you should dig deep in history and get the facts straight, don't be deluded. you have no ground to deny the sda doctrine, i suggest you read more of my comments that i've sent you, don't just believe in what people say, research for yourself.

[Bingolly1]

You false witness against Christ and the Catholic Church, how does your out of porportion history justify teaching a false archangel christ? If you dig deep into the bible instead of Ellen Whites writings you will learn something, and I have researched your counterfeit religion. I know about your false prophetess, the counterfeit christ, soul sleep, investigative judgment, the indoctrinated hate the Adventist teach their followers. Instead of false witnessing, where is witnessing of Christ?

[SmithieC]

I agree with you too hkmai... right on!!!!