Catalans have never ever been allowed to vote to have an own state so how in the f ... they could have ever decided that they want to form part of Spain or not ?Being ignorant is not reason enough to say that someone wants to be part of something that they have never been allowed to have opinion about! Spain and spanish people who doesn't understand democratia makes me sick! :(
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Que trist aquests catalans que sentiu autoodi i us baixeu els pantalons intentant justificar que sou espanyols. PROU COLONIALISME. CATALUNYA ÉS UNA NACIÓ!
You can't state the Catalans want to be Spaniards since no referendum has been celebrated in such region. If you're so convinced the Catalans don't want their independence, let them organise a referendum and let's see what happens. Democracy works like that my friend ;-)
Make a referendum in Stochkolm region if stchkolm villagers want to be a part of Sweden. Stupid right ? We dont need any referendum cause in Catalonia the vast majority of us we feel spanish. Its simply and easy to understand. And by the way, we vote every 4 years our politicians, if you dont know the situation, dont talk.
@Hernanbarna Feeling Spanish doesn't mean rejecting independence. It is more and more obvious that Catalan interest differs from Spanish interest. Besides, every 4 years people vote an election manifesto, but not the independence of Catalonia.
@raimon1111 Different interests ?? I should remember you that the catalan-economic society is the most interested to reject that independentist ideas. Furthermore, We don't need to vote any referendum of independence because you have the appropiate political parties to vote (ERC for example) if you want the indenpendence, if ERC doesnt get the needed votes its not our problem, dont blame others because we are "anti-democratic". No more cinism.
@Hernanbarna Catalan-economic society doesn't think the same as in 1986 because this gap between taxes paid and inverstment received (so-called fiscal deficit). Furthermore, Catalan companies market is not only Spain but the whole world. We do need a referendum because many voters of other parties a part from ERC are independentist as well. In the end, I didn't accuse you to be "anti-democratic". Don't lie, please.
By the way, I forgot to say most Basques voted against the Spanish constitution, and still they belong to Spain just because Spanish laws doesn't let them get independent. If I were Spaniard I wouldn't be proud of it.
I am afraid you are wrong. I do not know what would be the result now, but what is 100% sure is that the basques in 1978 voted in favor of the constitution.
69,12% of the basques' votes were in favor of the constitution
23,54% of the basques' votes rejected the constitution
5,74% of the basques' votes were blank votes and 1,6% of the Basques' votes were spoiled votes
@tunobuenotunomuerto Catalonia is Spain cause the last chances to get full independence (1640,1931&1934) endend in bloody wars.The 1640 one also meant that a part of Catalonia was given to France.Catalans approved Spanish Constitution to definately escape from the recently finished dictatorship.In general elections,people exercise the so-called "useful vote",in order to prevent the victory of the parties that do the most against Catalan interest.No poll has been done so far about independence
@tunobuenotunomuerto Catalonia is Spain cause the last chances to get full independence (1640,1931&1934) endend in bloody wars.The 1640 one also meant that a part of Catalonia was given to France.Catalans approved Spanish Constitution to definately escape from the recently finished dictatorship.In general elections,people exercise the so-called "useful vote",in order to prevent the victory of the parties that do the most against Catalan interest.No poll has been done so far about independence
Catalans have never ever been allowed to vote to have an own state so how in the f ... they could have ever decided that they want to form part of Spain or not ?Being ignorant is not reason enough to say that someone wants to be part of something that they have never been allowed to have opinion about! Spain and spanish people who doesn't understand democratia makes me sick! :(
Tomppa5446 1 year ago
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LA fiesta era organizada por militantes de la FE de la JONS,
no hace falta decir nada mas!
CatalunyaLLiureJa 2 years ago
@CatalunyaLLiureJa esp es mentira. se ve a simple vista que es espontanea. aunque salen banderitas preconstitucionales.
Gustavoandresraja 1 year ago
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Que trist aquests catalans que sentiu autoodi i us baixeu els pantalons intentant justificar que sou espanyols. PROU COLONIALISME. CATALUNYA ÉS UNA NACIÓ!
Videorevolucio 2 years ago
Take a map and see that Catalonia is actually Spain, no matters what a few people try to say or deceive.
Catalans approved the Spanish Constitution of 1978 by referendum, so Catalonia belongs to Spain just because catalans want it.
In the last general elections of 2008 the vast majority of the catalans supported non-independist political parties.
It's ok that Catalonia has disctintive cultural manifestations, but just as other regions of Spain. Catalonia is Spain because catalans want it so.
tunobuenotunomuerto 3 years ago 6
You can't state the Catalans want to be Spaniards since no referendum has been celebrated in such region. If you're so convinced the Catalans don't want their independence, let them organise a referendum and let's see what happens. Democracy works like that my friend ;-)
mreq85 3 years ago
Make a referendum in Stochkolm region if stchkolm villagers want to be a part of Sweden. Stupid right ? We dont need any referendum cause in Catalonia the vast majority of us we feel spanish. Its simply and easy to understand. And by the way, we vote every 4 years our politicians, if you dont know the situation, dont talk.
Hernanbarna 2 years ago
@Hernanbarna Feeling Spanish doesn't mean rejecting independence. It is more and more obvious that Catalan interest differs from Spanish interest. Besides, every 4 years people vote an election manifesto, but not the independence of Catalonia.
raimon1111 1 year ago
@raimon1111 Different interests ?? I should remember you that the catalan-economic society is the most interested to reject that independentist ideas. Furthermore, We don't need to vote any referendum of independence because you have the appropiate political parties to vote (ERC for example) if you want the indenpendence, if ERC doesnt get the needed votes its not our problem, dont blame others because we are "anti-democratic". No more cinism.
Hernanbarna 1 year ago
@Hernanbarna Catalan-economic society doesn't think the same as in 1986 because this gap between taxes paid and inverstment received (so-called fiscal deficit). Furthermore, Catalan companies market is not only Spain but the whole world. We do need a referendum because many voters of other parties a part from ERC are independentist as well. In the end, I didn't accuse you to be "anti-democratic". Don't lie, please.
raimon1111 1 year ago
By the way, I forgot to say most Basques voted against the Spanish constitution, and still they belong to Spain just because Spanish laws doesn't let them get independent. If I were Spaniard I wouldn't be proud of it.
mreq85 3 years ago
I am afraid you are wrong. I do not know what would be the result now, but what is 100% sure is that the basques in 1978 voted in favor of the constitution.
69,12% of the basques' votes were in favor of the constitution
23,54% of the basques' votes rejected the constitution
5,74% of the basques' votes were blank votes and 1,6% of the Basques' votes were spoiled votes
rodsim12 3 years ago
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@tunobuenotunomuerto Catalonia is Spain cause the last chances to get full independence (1640,1931&1934) endend in bloody wars.The 1640 one also meant that a part of Catalonia was given to France.Catalans approved Spanish Constitution to definately escape from the recently finished dictatorship.In general elections,people exercise the so-called "useful vote",in order to prevent the victory of the parties that do the most against Catalan interest.No poll has been done so far about independence
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@tunobuenotunomuerto Catalonia is Spain cause the last chances to get full independence (1640,1931&1934) endend in bloody wars.The 1640 one also meant that a part of Catalonia was given to France.Catalans approved Spanish Constitution to definately escape from the recently finished dictatorship.In general elections,people exercise the so-called "useful vote",in order to prevent the victory of the parties that do the most against Catalan interest.No poll has been done so far about independence
raimon1111 1 year ago
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No veo más de 40 personas ahi....
Moritomoroso 3 years ago
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SPANISH GO HOME!
fortvesper 3 years ago
BE QUIET HOER!!!
colegaspain 3 years ago
Que grans sou! Amb 2 collons, si senyor!
Felicitats desde Castelló y visca Espanya!
elraus 3 years ago 9
habla en español que somos españoles!!!!
fortvesper 3 years ago
Tampoco eso hombre...
OndaCC 2 years ago
Cataluña es españa, por lo tanto el catalan es una lengua española.
pimientopadron3 1 year ago