Nkunda arrested in Rwanda; Kinshasa demands extradition

[PATRICELUMUMBAS]

we dont like your politique.your occidents

[joellamm1]

This guy is not congolese. He'd never be congolese. He is now back in his country, rwanda for ever until the international court will ask for his extradition.

[masterdelrap]

death to all terrorists and guerilla and all those murderes of the world. let the world unite by this words and hang this bastards

[MsYudith91]

I hate Rwandese...they re ugly Ppl

[MsYudith91]

MsKivu..you are right .. it is true that all these people are lying.

also, he ugly thick Kabila to destroy our country.

them white also.

[Ultimate007Trini]

I LOVE HOW HE MOVES AND SPEAKS

[shago10]

@Ultimate007Trini The man is responsible for mass killing in northern kivu and you like the way he moves and speaks!!

[Ultimate007Trini]

@shago10 Well, not what he does, but his smart clever way, dancing, YES, I KNOW HE'S BAD, but his way he speaks to the media, had me laughing, very professiional

[MrPetertom]

u congolese are sick in ur minds Rwanda has a superior military power. No question

[shago10]

@MrPetertom A military that is powered by the stolen ressources from the congo!!

[MrLuckyboy11]

how can we make rwandese congolese they have no love for our countries. look the language that they using to critisize our country. i never seen a congolese who insult or critizise congo. these is how tusti pay us, we brought them from rwanda to save their lives and now they killing us. well since congo has nothing to destroy why can you go back to rwanda were it has everything

[MrLuckyboy11]

a congolese thinks congo is the best. only not congolese that think congo is not the best. if tustsi were congolese then kunda would never talk about congo like that way. a real nationalist is proud of his country regardless whaever. a real nationalist never betray or insult his land to immigrants or stragers. look the way this giraffe is talking about congo and you axcept us to beleive that tusti are rwandese but nooooooooooooooooooo

[MsKivu]

this is the white man and kagambe's game. they are preteding to arrest this guy, but they actually did not. they think we do not know their game. ooo please kunda is not arrested. just another distraction a white man is trying to do. pffffffff....may god punish kunda, white men, kangambe, joseph kabila. all these people are liars

[shago10]

@MsKivu Well said my sister!

[MrLuckyboy11]

rwanda is in the east not central. and no one has time to argue with lies and you kind of african. who talsk more talks lies. and who shows off, knows less. who claims to be powerful, is weak. therefore, you country: rwanda and you are weak.

[lokaniniaful]

you jealous! of course you call your army the best, to me congolese army is the best too. you know the stongest if he win...but rwanda never does! all it does is killing and grimaces! so peace out with you bull shit and yes i hate rwandese they kill my brothers and sisters in the east, so what? you gonna make your lil small army to attack me in america? pfff...they will be crashed in a minute!

[Pmashami]

the fact is Rwanda still remains the best force in the great lakes region. And they must neutralize the fdlr. That's why Rwanda involves itself in Congo...As far as Nkunda beeing in Congo, He must protect his people. belgians congo and rwanda were one the only thing that separated them is the boundary that belgians left. His fight is justified because his people could not live in peace even when they did not cause any harm in thier own land

[lokaniniaful]

quit this nonsennse that we were one people, no we werent! if we speak of the` borders, the whole world was one! there was earthquakes that seperate the world into contries! south america was a half of africa and europe to amrica! many countries were a part of congo, such ascongo brazaville, angola, ect...the world does not reclaim, but RWanda has a large moth than every body us, it has to claim! everything happens by the grace of God, if not but the whole world would claimed its parts!

[Pmashami]

And for you Info, Rwanda never claimed any land there, they occupy Kive to protect rwanda against the fdlr..and that is a great strategy...

[smith7528]

yeah lokaninia is right, rwandese just want to fight and kill! if it was a part of their land, why dint they stop belgium to separeted then? they allow that seperation, now they claminig back? while the congolese population are used to their congo already? seriously, let be fair! imagine Canada wants a part of the state and say that the european took a part of them give it to us? you crazy, hell no! it belongs to the state already, if you wanted so bad you should stop the europeans back then!!

[MrLuckyboy11]

oo how do i know that and who i think i am? i know that for sure because we'll never give out our land for the tutsi or any body, unless tusti success to kill all the habitants of DRC, and who i think i am: a congolese boy that is proud and greety to be congolese and is not willing to share his country aS LONG IM ON LIVE! there, i answer you before you ASK me!!! i close my case, now you can go head talk to the video itself, since people in america are crakerzz anyways!

[mrkisangani]

Pmashami,you said congolese army are weak because you sow them in 1994...well i dont want you to say "SAW" but you EXPERIENCED!was u a civilian or an army member in congo?you might see my moth moving and you think im talking when you approach me you might realize that i was singing not talking.this mean that some times what seems to be, is not what it is! you must join the army to discover wether they are weak or not, national army..not private. most AFRICANS soldiers are paid less, not onlyDRC!

[Pmashami]

your metaphors don't make sense

[MrLuckyboy11]

Pmashami, i think MrKisangani makes sense, what is trying to say is that Kunda has no right to protect his people in someone's property, while they have there own property! if they dont want to leave congo is because congo has something special that Rwanda has not! so stop pretending that congo has nothing, if it had nothing then kunda wouldnt even bother to stay there!! you fucking jerk!!

[Pmashami]

they are not in someone else's property...they've lived there since. only when borders where made, that's what left them in congo....so that makes make them congolese tutsis, just like there are nande, kasai, hunde, itc. so you can't say they are in some one else's property.

[mrkisangani]

because i asked you and you havent replied! so i replied for you!

[smith7528]

can you get afreaking life and leave people alone! mr kisangani wasent even talking to you he was talking base on the video and your child ass, just jumping and start to act retarded!! congo has nothing? what do Rwanda, have?

[Pmashami]

what does rwanda has? A stable governement with honest officials.

[MrLuckyboy11]

hhahhahah...this is not a simple arguement but defence! you say Rwanda has stable official what?? hahhahha shoo...small country like Rwanda...hutu and tutsi fights against them that shows dishonesty among you. hatred among you. no they dont belong there because they just want our land bcuz we have mines and good things in it! so it is called INJUSTICE! im not ignorant..im fair because you running your moth here, so i ask you to run it in congo, it is simple! oh im so nice, am i???

[Pmashami]

to me it seems like you dislike every rwandan. Unlike you i do not dislike congolese people. I disagree with the fact that the government employ and creates safe heaven for the fdlr.

[smith7528]

where was kunda to stop the belguim from seperating congo and rwanda? like lokaninia said, speaking of borders...the whole world would of complain because if we look at history, this world was all one before, but no one is claming! rwandens just want attention and congolese blood, that is all! and congolese goods, too!

[Pmashami]

And that's not true. I despise congolese governement. Not the people. Only ignorant people attack fellow citizens. What has it done for its people anyways that you adore it so much? nothing.

[lokaniniaful]

oooooooo my ...aint you gotta life or some? you know what i started school and was sign in on youtube they say you have an email, i looked and it was you! are you real or a machine? you waste all your time on internet, what cant you get a life or a family that will keep you busy or some! congo done nothing, says who, you? who the fuck is you? a simple rwandens who think he knows bout congo but he doesnt, fuck off! is all the rwandens have no life like you, damn no one agrees you..so top!!!

[Pmashami]

Ha! you've been answering enventually so it must be a topic that concerns you or else you should just ignore it

[smith7528]

what? i dont get what you just told him? you dont make sense...lol spit out hypocrite rwanden!

[smith7528]

THERE IS NO TRUE THAT IS COMING FROM YOU THAT IS GOING TO MAKE SOME ONE RUN AWY IN HERE!!! is just that he is being wayyy mature than you are, in case you was not awared, so stop thinking yourself of a genious boy!

[Pmashami]

It's not a matter of chassing some one away, I welcome and try to explain those who do not understand the purpose of nkunda's rebellion in congo. Sadly those who would profit from it can't see far enough. Or may because they have been taught that tutsis must be hated on regarless.

[smith7528]

secondly, i beleive to not ask you to be my teacher!

[smith7528]

of course you hate congolese but you are being hypocrite about it! what is all this: oh what congo has any ways? their economic is low bla bla! oh i would of be congole in a million..look the manners you speak about congo, and you except us to think that you cool with congo? while you claim kunda is a hero, and kunda is congolese number one enemy, of course you will be congolse number one enemy too! you know what i think about you? you guys are jealous of congo and hypocrites period!

[Pmashami]

Well this is where you're wrong and arguing against yourself. They are not claiming land. THEY ARE CLAIMING FREEDOM TO LIVE IN THE LAND which they were born and they great grand parents were born and where now their families live...so that makes them citizens of where they belong and for sure it's not rwanda. well they might speak kinyarwanda and look rwandese. It doesn't make a difference..maybe they chose not to loose their culture

[smith7528]

i totally disagree with you saying Rwandens live in congo, its a strong lies! they are stealing a part of congo, proove me how you know they been living in congo? that is a legend that you heard by your tutsi people sweety!

[Pmashami]

that's because you write your own history or else you should know they did. it's called nilotique and bantu. they had no borders

[smith7528]

no, if you have no prooves to prove your claims it is called an opinion. what you saying is all your opinions and what you doing is a self-defence. i am not here to agree with them, but to deal with the truth! as far as i read you, i finally comprehended the truth that it is all legends and flictions what you claming!

[Pmashami]

My claims are not for proofs, they are from my own witnesses, and history...and yes I read educated one.

[smith7528]

and finally, i strongly beleive i know what im talking about!

[lokaniniaful]

stop sharing your nonesense opinions with me man! unlike you, i have a life and i love congo, so fuck off! i am try to focus with my school, and you just added yourself in my concentration..stop mailing bicth you fail to conveice me, you figments teller! all that claims are flictions..so wake up and stop dreaming!!! fuck youu mental boyy

[Pmashami]

I failed to conveince you because you refused to understand the fact. And the fact that you seem upset it's because you know all i said was true. You don't have to accept...And something else...you probably don't even know congo yourself

[smith7528]

ooo please, who do not know that all your claim is a contry-defence and legends? please, you are just trying to make him TO COME BACK on the internet, so you can argue with HIM again, because you enjoy it! well, if all your occupations is to find friends to talk with in internet, some people their occupation is to go to school and form families in future! so you cant find friends that you will talk to for ever here on internet, if you want i will help you where to find them: AT SCHOOLS!!!!

[Pmashami]

And why so much hate for rwanda??? the fact is it is the powerhouse of central Africa so deal with it.

[smith7528]

first of all, i never mentioned to hate Rwamda!

[Pmashami]

well, you are the first amongst many to say you don't hate rwanda...props!!

[smith7528]

is true that im on congo's side and against rwanda! but the question you should ask is WHY that? because i beleive congolese are innocents and Rwanda are guilty, base on all the information have collected from you, others, and more. but that does not mean to hate Rwamda, so i dont see where the accusations came from! if your mom punishes you because she beleives the arguement between you and your brother was caused by you, would you say she hates you? must ponder before accusing!

[lokaniniaful]

they are in someone property..because tusti refer to Rwandans...and you cant live in a land where you belong there and half you dont belong there, you must completely belong to one land that you fully can represesnt!

[Pmashami]

They belong there completelly. they are just not accepted and therefore must fight for it. it's called justice.

[MrLuckyboy11]

man stop dreaming like Alice in wonderful land and go tell the rest of rwandes that claim that flictions, i say wake up and stop dreaming like Alice! Congo belongs to nobody, but its people, which are us, CONGOLESE!have you seen a mother that gives out her baby to another mother?never, hunh? that is right, go tell this tusti that are hoping to have our baby, which is our land..they will keep on waiting waiting until Jesus Christ will returnand they will never get it..so they wasting their faith!

[smith7528]

MrLuckyboy11, i like the part you said congo belongs to no body but CONGOLESE! to prove that congo belongs to you guys, people only call you guys congolese, but them people have to call them tusti-congolese, it proves that they not full congolese! how can one child have two mothers???

[lokaniniaful]

Smith, thank you! how can one population have two counties? its look like its called greetiness, not even they just want congo because congo has plenty goods and mines!

[MrLuckyboy11]

ooooo that is a very lie defence! if you dont know our story you must ask! who the hell, told you that congo has tusti in their tribe? neverrrr nooooooo, that is rwandese tusti came to install themselves in congo and claimed that kivu belonged to them before! so they called themselve "congolese tusti", but officially and trully we havenooo i say noo tutsi in DRC!! so stop lying..you see how rwandese whish to become congolese? they call themselves congolese no one has aproved them..lol its cleaaa

[mrkisangani]

and plus you said we fight with help? but its normal every one fights with help..even the bible says"together there is strength" USA used France to get rid off the British, Russian used couple europeans to get rid off Napolean, if you see all this freedom countries story they also used help from others, even the state who is number one power now asked the french for help, so why not congo? if big countries aked help, why not congo? it sure is people that are supporting Kunda &rwanda too!!!!!

[mrkisangani]

there must be something special in your house that will urge me and my parents to never leave your home right? same, there is something special that KUnda and his population do not want to leave congo! if they wherent, my question is why cant they leave out of congo if is destroyed because there is no point to live in a destroy place, especially if there are a population in side of it!!!

[mrkisangani]

pmashami,one more thing, what proves that the mother that you call mom gave you birth? why, because you lived with her? what if she lied to you? what if she adopted you with out telling you? what if they change her a baby accidently in the hospital with out her knowing? how would you know all that? this is just to proove you that "living" is not an evidence! you dont need to live in a place, with somebody to know the truth! because living can also mislead you!

[Pmashami]

Ok here are you answers:

1. Congolese army can't stand up for a simple battle without retreating or needing help from UN, Angola or South Africa. Also Soldiers are poorly paid.

2. Nkunda was in congo to protect congolese Tutsis from the Gov't, fdlr, and maimai.

3. I was in DRC because I have free will to live where ever i want in the world. Just like there are plenty of congolese living and doing business in Kigali and are not harrased.

[mrkisangani]

if you re-read my messages it'll tell u where im from. how can i know bout Rwanda, i never lived there? hahhah you kitting me? because it is politics! a curious man know bout political stories thanks to the internet, media,ect..i was absent when NY was bombed, so it is all a lie because i wasent there? while i saw it onTV and people testified? come on know what you talkin dude!!

[mrkisangani]

please dont tell me what happend in NY is lie cause i was absent! that what i sow on tv was a dream! people that testified were paid? people who died pretend to die? all that just because i wasent there?..pfff hahah you really need to face jesus! and dont forget to answer all my questions plz dont ignore it this time! read it all carefull plz!

[mrkisangani]

do you know the orgin of our president? of course you rwandese, u must know? how you know if is the president that ask them to put their guns down or not...you just jump to the conclusion their weak..you stupid you known? you accusing people of what you dont want to be accused! and you asking people question base on what you, and yourself is doing! you want people to have prooves to conveice you, while you not clear yourself! you dont have evidences either...people like you need to face Jesus!

[Pmashami]

no people like fdlr needs to face Jesus. Heroes like Rwigema are heroes. you have never lived in rwanda so you wouldn't know what you are talking about. And yes I am not in Rwanda now...so what? people move. I know what happened. everybody does, and just for curiosity, may I ask what country you belong to?? I am Rwandese

[mrkisangani]

you still not answering my questions: tell me what proves you that congolese army is weak? second, tell me what Kunda was doing in DRC, while he knowns congo is destroyed? as a rwandese, what was you doing in DRC? do you know that what happened is not what is happenig, if so how you know? i want you to answer me full for each kestions! to answer yours, no you may not know my country because im not here to talk about my country..but to clarify what is happenin between DRC&rwa..!

[mrkisangani]

soon congo we sing HOZANa...and you guys will look for white men to make you scream victory..but he will become imcapable and that day you will recognize that congo was not imcapable..but humble, waiting for the justice of God! i dont understand, the war started between hutu nd tusti, why congo is included? why kinda in congo? if you able to answer me that...then now i might valued you bcause me rwandens are nothing to me..nothing at all!

[mrkisangani]

Rwanda has anything.its poor and cursed! hutus and tusti fought among them for wanting to look or be white! now you guys envying on GOma,BUkavu...you guys are fighting Congo for their land...yall wana be people! God said search from your sweat! ask yourself why many countries hate you...is because you guys are desperate people who try to spread your unfortune to others! congo ha no capacibilities? you gys, is the whit man who is behind you, its ok we dont have white men but we have God

[mrkisangani]

tell u what Pmashami, what you have seen was a part of the murder! is not all...if you seen all you would be awared that Kunda is a murderer...there is a reason why the civilians want him out there...because they are tired to be his victims! they are thousands congolese civilians that died from Rwanden hands..and only Kunda who is Rwanden rebel in congo! so i strongly beleive the congolese witness, than you a tusti who's backin his "hero". not bcuz im from congo, but they are numerous and right

[Pmashami]

like I always say, as long as the fdlr still there, they must be pursued. and for dam sure congolese army cannot do that when they are using them. NO WAY. they must turn themselves or they shall be followed in the deep jungles.

[Bazompora]

So ...

war criminals must persue war criminals, with everything and everyone in the way to be given up for saccrifice?

But the war criminals that happen to be of tusi etnicity are OK by you to not only remain free, but armed and unchecked aswell?

[Pmashami]

your statements are not accurate. the only time the city sleeps is when conquered by Rwandans or CNDP.

[mrkisangani]

no your statement is not accurate!you said they turn themselves OR they shall..the fact you use the word "OR" prove that you are speaking base on your opinion because you are not sure which one is it and you know what?an Opinion does not make something true,but the reality does make something true!so like said,you r findin exscuses to back him up!for your infidelity,wecan still arguin n internet,but you wil not,never conveice me that Kunda is a hero,never!i did,still,will knowthat he is amurder!

[Pmashami]

You're right he is not your hero of course. .. you're on the other side. Regardless of the crying, the causes remain for Rwanda to be present in Congo. Like i said Rwanda must be the Israel of Africa since it is hated from all sides. Therefore the best defense is offense

[Bazompora]

The world doesn't need a second "Israel", a nation of ethnic supremacy, plunging neighbouring populations into an eternal dark age, stealing whatever resources it has set its eyes on and causing hatred to be lifted to a global level.

Rwanda deserves to be opposed, for it is a dictaturship that doesn't tolerate opposition (parties abolished, political prosecution) - which left opponents of the regime no other option than to organise into anti-RPF rebellion beyound its borders.

[Pmashami]

rwanda actually has democracy...It's just that Kagame won and you don't favor him. Which would not concern me at all because you are not a rwandase citizen therefore would not concern you either. He is loved by both tutsis and innocent hutus. And if Rwanda needs to be opposed, it sure won't be by congo since congo has no military capabilities. Neither does any of all neighboring countries.

[Bazompora]

Kagame "won" by banning political competition. People critical of his regime also systematically "disappear".

Life hangs on a thread, for those in Rwanda that do not "love" him.

Though my point wasn't that the role of opposition to the current Rwandan regime has to be filled by Congo, or another country for that matter, you did touch an interesting matter:

in the Great Lakes region, Rwanda is the country with the strongest military capacity; how do you think it financially can support it?

[Pmashami]

And how would you know? You are not rwandese. People love kagame for his great job. And the Army is strong not just because of the weapons the have but also because they have heart and fight with passion for the right causes just like the fpr won in 1994 even tho the current gov't was been helped by french and south Africa...so it's just a matter of which side you're on I guess.

[Bazompora]

Your profile says you're not living in Rwanda either. But I don't need to live in Rwanda to learn about Rwanda: plenty of others that have lived there have brought their story into the world.

I believe I have good reason to believe the many testimonies about a war criminal perpetuating his brutality beyound the war, over the opinion of an openly ethnocentric apologist that glorifies attested war criminals and advocates for further armed conflict - the kind that can only be compared to crusades.

[mrkisangani]

Bazompora, that is a good answer! props...he is not even in Rwanda right now than how he knows what is going on in present? if he got informed, well you got imformed! he is speaking base on his opinion and race...but we are speaking base on ther truth...since he think everything will be correct if you therre, well you said are army is weak,.have ever go to our army to confirm it? what proves you that is there weakness that prevent them from caughting Kunda? was there?

[Pmashami]

I was there in 1994, until i moved out in 2002. I saw what fdlr did and where they are now. and must pay. And you listen to testimonies... I witnessed

[Bazompora]

You witnessed your own story, while many more others witnessed each one of their own. Many have lost family to the RPF, but you chose to ignore that fact.

Does your desire for vengeance stand that far above reason, that you want the blood feud between the former Rwandese army (now the FDLR) and the RPF to rage on till the very eradication of the former, nomatter how many lives it will cost - and no matter what FDLR and RPF members that are uninvolved with your story did or did not do?

[Pmashami]

put it this way. If someone kills my familly, and my neghbor houses them( killer), the only choice is confront both of them since I wouldn't trust neither. nice and simple.

[Bazompora]

Simplistic reasoning doesn't make right.

For a chance of obtaining vengeance on renegade murderers, you endorse the murder of innocents.

[Pmashami]

It's not about vangeance, it's about security of Rwanda. If it was about vageance, there is plenty of Hutus in Rwanda, and Rwanda is very capable of causing a lot of harm to Congo if it was about vangeance. It is war. and in war innocent people die unfortunatelly. What amazes me that you don't see is that congolese army kill wayyy more innocents people than Rwandan soldiers.

[Bazompora]

I was commenting on your - not Rwanda's - motivation behind backing the RPF's warmongering. And you made your personal vendetta against the FDLR pretty clear.

But yes, in war, innocent people die.

... which is exactly WHY war should be avoided - something the RPF did not! And you seem to be quite fine with that, for aslong as the battlefield is wholly drawn in Congo.

That the Congolese army might have killed more civilians does not excuse Kagame and the RPF for causing this bloody mess.

[Pmashami]

I cannot convince you. you believe what you believe but you should see why Rwanda is in Congo. After all your family was not killed by fdlr so of course you're going to be upset with the agressor in Congo which is Rwanda. I don't blame you for that. for me I just think congolese gov't should get rid of fdlr and everything will be fine after that. There is nothing else that can be done. Either that, or congo is on it's way to get invaded again.

[Bazompora]

I do see why Rwanda is in Congo: to hold a gun against Kabila's head.

Invasions destroy countries and you can't get rid of an anti-fascist guerilla movement like the FDLR that easily: it is fueled by a popular desire to overthrow the dictature of Kagame. The ideology that fuels the FDLR is virtually immortal for aslong as Rwanda is not a democracy. That is why a war between the RPF and the FDLR will never end with the permanent destruction of one of the two - and why peace MUST be negotiated.

[lokaniniaful]

Bazompora, they not even there to hold a gun against Kabila..but to help Kabila dominating all part of congo so they can all steal our land, since Kabila is a rwanden like tthem....i known thousounds of them who pretend to be congolese just because they speak lingala! rwandese are freaking hypocrites and liars!! fuck pamashi and all the rest rwandens!!

[Pmashami]

oh wow and I would never pretend to be congolese in a million years!!!!!!! what is so good about there anyways? and the goods you got you don't know how to use it.

[lokaniniaful]

so you think Kunda gonna teach them how to use it by killing their people???/

[MrLuckyboy11]

and kasai? hahhahh you must admire congo then, since you went to live there and know all their tribes! because i know if i dont like a contry i will never go live there! and who give a fuck wether you pretend to be congolese or not..who told you that we care about your opinion? stop arguing in internet..if you a man go back in congo, where congolese belong and tell them that in their faces...hahhah i picture how you gonna pee in your cloth!!

[Pmashami]

Yes...I lived in congo. not because I loved it...and yes I know its geography so what? Just like i know about ghana, nigeria, south Africa, ethiopia, and Kenya...it doesn't make a difference. And why would you wish for congolese to torture me for a simple argument?? That's where ignorance comes in..

[MrLuckyboy11]

we dont like rwandese in our land, so why did you came? that prooves how Rwandans are hard headed! then when we start to menace you guys in our land, ooo congo oo congo...then leave us alone! stop coming! stop claiming! we know your positions in our land, we not stupid! goshhh...even jesus beat a crap of people who refuse to leave his temple!

[Pmashami]

and what did a rwandese do to your land?? take your gold that you stare at every morning waiting for the chinese to pick it up in exchange of a bag of sugar?? destroy your mansions? steal your woman or whatever you call them? distroy you magnificent roads?oh please

[lokaniniaful]

what happened can not be unhappened...so it happened it happeneded...so can you guys move on like every one else and stop distracting our lives, damn! pretty sure if congo was not rich you wouldnt even claim it! we not back in years no more, we are now yearsjeez!! bother way why you care wether we give our golds to the chinese or not? its our own, let us give it out as much we have, because we are blessed, its too much in our land that we have to share! why you jealous because you have any?aww!

[Pmashami]

Ok then what happened can not be unhappened...border division occured so why then would you want the tutsis to go to rwanda when they never lived there. And live their country

[mrkisangani]

ah ah! thank you for mentioning it, that is ALL i was wating for you to admit, congo has GOOD! thank you, even though we dont no how to use it, at least you recognize that God blessed our land and you've answered why is Kunda wants a part of congo! that is all i was waiting for, the rest idont really care! now you admited and i got what i wanted...i will close my case and let you deal with our new friends! so good luck!

[mrkisangani]

kUNADA is in congo to protect tusti? so if i come to stay in your home and your parents want me out but i refuse to leave then your family start to menace me and my family should come to protect me in your house? if we call the police or anybodythe fist thing they will ask my family is why we do not want to leave your house?because is your property, not ours right?and why would my family wants me to stay in your house, while we have our own house?what kind of parents..what kind hero is kunda?

[Pmashami]

Has nothing to do with the subject

[mrkisangani]

no you dont make sense! you said congolese army are weak you never been in the army before! you said Kunda is in congo to protect the rwandese, while he could just bring them back to Rwanda and leave the congolese land alone! you said congo ask help to fight, while they are thousands powerful contries that ask help during wars, USA is one of the example, even USA asked the french for help in order to get rid off the british...therefor asking help is a part of politics!

[Pmashami]

I din't say he was protecting rwandans in congo...I said Congolese tutsis...You read what you want to read that's all you're doing. And how would you know I was never in the army anyways? I never said anything about beeing in the army

[smith7528]

Pmashami, im not congolese, but im froze at the part you told Bazompora that of course he wouldnt get upset because his family ...but if Rwandans families feel that congolese are killing them, what they should do is to go back in Rwanda, and leave congo alone! you said congolese army are less paid? ARE YOU KITTING ME, well most of africans soldiers are less paid, even rwandese soldiers are less paid! Rwanda also get help to fight against congo, americans are behind Rwanda!!!

[lokaniniaful]

COngo has a weak army? pff..so rwanda has a force army? shoo my ass, back in days Rwanda fought against Zaire and Zaire won, now no one wins! but the fact DRC army was incapable to captivate KUnda, might be other reasons! how you know if Kabila asked the army to put down the gunsor not what neccesary prooves you that the reason is because they are weak? well you guess wrong, they are not weak! kunda a hero? by his face you can already tell his a murderer...man go fuck kunda on his ass!

[Pmashami]

you said it yourself. "back then zaire won"...try rwanda now and see if congo won't be another rwandese territory. And plus Habyarimana and Mobutu were allies, they never fought so learn you history.

[smith7528]

back then yeahhhhhhh, at least they won once...but Rwanda never won period!!!!!!!

[Pmashami]

And exactly what war was that they won?? I can tell you the rfp won Rwanda in 1994, 1996-97 in congo former zaire.

[lokaniniaful]

you see all this years that you are stating when Zaire won Rwanda, i whish you can state at least ONE, one only that Rwanda also won!

[smith7528]

LOKaninia, what you exceot him to state? Rwandens never won! he will state zero year...that proves how Rwanda sucks anyways!! sorry to jumped but i dont like perpetuatorz!

[mrkisangani]

Pashami. you must speak of the reality before i hear...your opinion does not make this politic true? is it?

[Pmashami]

The reality is Rwanda fights for just and everyone should use it as an example of a great nation in central and East Africa. and that's why it'll never loose another war in the Great lakes.

[mrkisangani]

i have known thousouns hutu people admit to hate kagame! if it was the reality..u wouldnt use the word or at the begening you lost already! u still not answering my question why is Kunda and you was doing in my country? i doenst belong to you, so why was you there..you said congo is destroyed? you ask Bazompora how would he know about Rwanda? because it is politics, every curious people know about political stories! thanks to the internet, media...

[mrkisangani]

timmatudi2009, srry to hear this. just want to let u know a thing dat will be very important: ASK GOD THE WAY FIRST!dont go for ur mom, but go because God allows u to defend ur justice. fast bfore ur decison and rember to examine the answer u will get from God, then follow it! plz dont hesitate to follow it, devil lives in anger, but God lives in JUSTICE and WISENESS!! may ur mom rest in peace! may GOD bless ur decision!

[lolland30]

Just wanted to post my sympathies with the people who are the victims in this conflict, it is strange that it isnt more upfront in the media

[Naam19]

Rwanda won't hand over Nkundabatwa because the guy have served the country.He has more in common with Rwanda than he does with Congo.

What fun is that the same people hoe were claiming he is not congolese are the ones who are now saying he is congolese and should be extracted to his country.You know the gusy speaks Kinyarwanda and doesn't know anything about Lingala.He should be judged in rwanda and not by this weak congolese army or whatever you call.

[muyumba1]

first of all sorry for anything that happen to your family and what court my mind is the fact that you got it plan out however let not kill any more civilians but go after who is in charge because through war and rebel our country could never rise up while in the mean time we are getting robbed of our right ,resource,and livehood sad story but true keep up with the good ambitions

[gecoco]

It's funny how the Rwandese president is denying his involvement. he is a fucking psycho as the rest of them. They are all stupid. what other attribute rather than stupid they deserve? Everybody wants power and everybody thinks that he/she has to be the president. u can do other things to bring peace. There is a lot of hate and I understand that, but peace will not come that way. Rwandan president is just stupid and ugly to me... disagree if you want. I don't care. I say what's on my mind!

[alexmulenge]

Given the situation happening now, It would impossible for Kigali and Kinshasa alone to tackle the political impass in Kivus without involving Congolese tutsi. they will always need another Nkunda soon or later.

[onerace87]

BRAVOOOOOOOO

[Zu20ba]

Kunda has fulfill his mission in the Congo which was to put pressure on the Congolese's government by being a threat in the region for a simple reason that everyone knows: the presence of hutu militias. Their presence has always justified the Rwandan presence on the Congolese soil. However, all this years of rwandan occupation had shown that Rwandan are not after hutu militias but after natural resources located in the region. This is the beginning of another war without Kunda in the picture

[Pmashami]

Nkunda has been and is still a loyal commander and fighter...one of the fearless who saved the lives of MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE in 1994...so Rwanda, you have done so many things since 94. Don't mess this up. he does not deserve to be held by the ignorent, uncapaple congolese Government.

[ssemutakirwa]

I hear you Bro, i'm also speaking from a broken heart. The idea that Nkunda has to be arrested let alone transfered to the DRC is heart breaking. I love my government to bits but if they hand over Nkunda; i'll rethink my support. Cheers

[deomas07]

Arrest of Nkunda a misleading compain.Kabila knows well the sponsors of this tutsi expansionalwar sponsored by US and UK under the Barnner of UN. So Joseph feared to be like his father, and has agreed to betray,either FDLR and Congolese community. I argue the everlasting peace loving congolese not to elect him again. For a person to save The Great Lakes must be the one who believes in God,not UN, like the FDLR. Thanx guys, I am sorry the truth is always bitter for those who hate it. Cheers, Nepo

[onerace87]

You are right on point like Chris Paul. Well said brother, well said!

[onerace87]

I agree with you my man...... Im a congolese with Rwandese backround.. or in simple words a Tutsi congolese.. and it willl break my heart and suppoert for kagame if he fucks over Nkunda!

[sn00piedog]

what part of zaire are you tutsi congolose from?

[onerace87]

dont hate the player hate the game. its the colonizers who put them borders and split things apart. And my ppl ended up in the North Kivu area like goma, but I was born in KInshasa!

[onerace87]

And at the end of the day brother, thats Africas story in itself. different ppl ending up in different lands either through migration, slavery, or the works of the white men.... so what does come down to.. were all AFRICANS! I always say Im an African born in the Congo. If Rwandans wants to claim me as Rwandese, I dont give 2 fucks. Cause I know my home is anywhere in the land of AFRICAA!

[mrkisangani]

u sure is Rwandese hunh? tell u wat! a just deserve good, not bad. if Kunda is innocent like u've mentined, let him b free, it he is not all his like will be curse and he will b held in prison and die there with no one to help him! he will die like an animal, that day, he will see the face of GOD the LORD of JUSTICE!! may the son of GOD judges this case!

[Pmashami]

yes he is innocent...Speaking from experience, my father was arrested by the congolese governement just because he spoke Kinyarwanda. He was not a politician or anything. so saying justice, there is no justice there. If you are rwandese congolese will kill you for beeing a rwandase Tutsi.

[mrkisangani]

speaking of EXPERIENCE, i have lost thousounds of my congolese brothers and sisters for being Congolese! your fuckin Kunda killed them all for being Congolese! tell me what a hero who kills for unjust reasons? ur happy cuz ur tutsi...a true hero does not fight for a particulary crew..but all.

[Pmashami]

Nkunda never killed civilians. It is the congolese army that killed and looted civilians through their defeat when they were running towards the west. I was there so don't lie to me. In town of Katindo in Goma, Congolese army killed a congolese family that was near where I was staying and took all their stuff. so you don't know what you are talking about. The article was in the news.

[mrkisangani]

who lied to you? im not going to argue bout this but im going to suggest you to type: KUNDA SPEAKIN AGAINST CONGO! youll see that he has mentioned to raped and murder them because their government is destroyed anyways! it is true that some congolese not army, but MALICIOUS murdered congolese! but Kunda was the cause of trouble in KIvu and must of the death and rapes Kunda was the cause and his army! he mentioned, why you tried to cover what is evidently uncovered???

[Pmashami]

That's not what he said..He said that one cannot destroy what's not there. which is true. there are no infrastructure to destroy in congo. He said that when the reporter asked about millions of homes destroyed. which were also destroyed by the gov't army that shoots in every direction.

[Bazompora]

So ...

The houses that Nkunda's rebels destroyed were nothing?

The lives that Nkunda's rebels destroyed were nothing?

Though the Congolese army has made itself equally guilty, you should remember that there still is a distinct difference between the two sides:

Congo is a democracy and Nkunda has been fighting against democracy. And while the underwaged Congolese army has a will of its own, Nkunda (and Kagame behind him) had control over the cruelties his well-paid side committed.

[Pmashami]

Nkunda's men attack millitary bases not civilians like I said. Congolese soldiers attact civillians in retreat...that's my point. I was there and I have seen it.

[Bazompora]

I don't need to have been there to know that one cannot have seen all that occured in the Kivus.

... if I'd go by your story.

It can however not be denied, that Nkunda's NCDP/CNDP has eagerly made itself guilty of the use of child soldiers.

[Pmashami]

wrong. CNDP never use child soldiers. they are way loyal to do that. congolese army do.

[Bazompora]

Would you please come back to reality and stick to the evidence!

The CNDP used child soldiers, testimonies and UN attestation provided.

[mrkisangani]

Pmashami what proves that u right? they are many civilians that Kunda has killed...and you are giving excuses! those who sow his rebels are awared and testified..so stop your stupid lies and coveries..none sense! if his a tusti hero...we need him out in congo and back to the tusti in Rwanda where he belongs! you guys are hypocrites anyways!

[solsix]

tout ca c est du mascarade. ce bosco qui a pris la commende au kivu lui il est un tutsi , comment est ce que les etrange vont dirige notre peuple,-

fini les mascarade tutsi.

[bigmbedi]

I don't see why Rwandan Gov has to send Nkunda to DRC. As conscious as they are, Nkunda is one of them as they have now admitted that he committed crime against humaninty. There is an appropriate place where to send him to be judge for the committed crime, not in Congo. We don't want him there, unless they want to accuse us later of killing another Rwandan.

[101newbirth]

This sound like a comedy. How can he be arrested by a country that consistantly supported him? Hmmm... I can't wait to see the next step of this arrestation.