Babylon 5 - Marcus vs Neroon

[kimdkus]

I had the biggest crush on Marcus when I was in HS. He was on the 'men I would marry' listing. :)

[EBursey]

I really enjoyed the changing personality of the Neroon character. People, rightly, get hooked on the changes of G'kar & Londo, but Neroon was one who started very much as the cliche Angry Alien, but developed into something so-much more.

Thanks for the clips.

[Sargonarhes]

I have all the Babylon 5 CD that were released. Just now I realized this episode's music was not released. Now I want it. That music where they're fighting after Ivanova says something must have come up. And Neroon, even as a minor character, he was quite interesting near the end of his moment in the series. He changed almost as much as G'kar did.

[samuraiko]

@Sargonarhes If you ever find this music, let me know - I've been trying to find it myself!

[LetMeBTheJudge]

lolz

[LetMeBTheJudge]

lolz

[dangngoctuanmk]

Thumbs uped, favorited, and subscribed!

[pearsonm957]

50, 000. Wow

[AlexeiVoronin]

Like many other characters in the series, Neroon undergoes a transformation - from a xenophobic warrior to a moment of self-discovery.

blueeyedcowboy17 - You should also upload the scene of neroon's death in the Star Fire circle.

[FoolsChaos]

Marcus was a wonderful noble character, and what a world we would have if people were like him. I hope those that like Marcus have read JMS's story where Marcus returns in the future, it's great.

[DLPBurke]

B5 is the greatest sci fi of all time.

[OneTrueEdge]

The Warrior Caste is an elegant, ethical, yet brutal people.

[Kunama1000]

@DrJReefer

He's not a diplomat.

Good idea though.

[Irishmoonman]

@Kunama1000 IN this episode i believe Neroon was there unofficially. He snuck on B5 and was in hiding, hence why there are in this dark area.

[Kunama1000]

One small question.

If Babylon 5 has a no weapons policy.

Why can Neroon get a fighting pike on the station?

I can understand the rangers having theirs, but Neroon?

[DrJReefer]

@Kunama1000 Diplomatic immunity.

[TheJboy88]

Love this scene.

Shows how good Marcus is as a character.

Utterly dedicated to the cause of the Rangers that he is willing to die for them and their leader.

And he has the skill to back it up, taking on and holding his own against one of the best of the Mimbari warrior caste.

Small wonder this act earned him Neroon's respect.

[Kunama1000]

I love this scene.

At when they fight I want to cry.

And at the end I want to laugh.

A beautiful play of emotions.

[25832]

"We stand on the bridge and no one may pass", after hearing this line, was anyone else think of Gandaff The Gray and think "You! Shall! Not! PASS!!"

[Johmpa]

@25832 I certainly did. However, it is a very minbari thing to say.

[HisDivineShadow245]

@25832 B5 was actually heavily influenced by the Lord of the Rings Books, which the writer, J. Michael Straczynski, admits. I mean, think about it; the scene you are referencing to the book is where Gandalf falls into shadow while fighting a great evil at the Bridge of Khazad-dûm only to be reborn, just like John Sheridan plunged to his death fighting Shadows at Z'ha'dum only to be reborn. ;)

[HisDivineShadow245]

My favourite part about this episode is that right before this battle, Delenn asks Marcus to delay Neroon or distract him, but above all else, do NOT confront or challenge him directly or he will kick your ass. Looks like she was right.

[CARDUELIS999]

Then out spake brave Horatius,

 The Captain of the Gate: "To every man upon this earth Death cometh soon or late. And how can man die better Than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, And the temples of his gods,

[Wuptdo206]

Male bonding at it's finest. Neroon's laugh made it so. Classic Sci-Fi. Thank you, JMS. 

[Redoralive]

During the war I killed 50,000 of your kind...used a conveyer belt but it was still a massive pain in the wrist.

[Hauntedman1]

@Redoralive 50,000 a very liberal and unconfirmed number these Warrior Caste sorts very arrogant....

[soldierstan1]

@Hauntedman1

Its Minbari math



[dudewhosaysarrh]

@Brianboro67 Actually the entire studio work was done in california in a converted factory close to a US Air Force Base. The only thing that wasn't produced in the USA was the music which Christopher Franke composed, arranged and performed with the Berlin Symphonic Orchestra in Germany. The soundtrack was edited there, converted and send back to California via internet.

[lusciousdeath]

I got to meet a very drunken Jason Carter at Dragoncon.  He was very down to earth and loved to talk one's head off.

[CorystaRose]

@lusciousdeath Lucky! I've wanted to meet him since his first Babylon 5 episode lol oh well maybe he'll be at a con near me someday.

[1femalegeek]

Neroon may have beaten Marcus, but Marcus taught Neroon something: humans are able to fight with honor

[chekovrules]

I find it very interesting that Marcus spends half of the fight facing away from Neroon. Wouldn't it generally be prudent to look at your opponent instead of the wall? Probably makes blocking blows easier too, although he doesn't have too much trouble even facing away.

Anyway, absolutely love this scene. It's the high point in an otherwise average episode. Neroon is awesome!

[highlandwolf01]

i love it, Marcus the height of cheeky and understatement...

"..find a way that isnt quite so uncomfortable"

hahaha

[wolgreth]

Neroon totally creamed Marcus!

Woot!

[msanniemc]

@Brianboro67 None of the studio work was done here in Britain. Carter went to L.A. for the part, Vickery's American. (True about the Arthurian legends, though.)

[msanniemc]

I love Neroon but his voice always cracks me up.

[TalentSpotter83]

The music is simply stunning during the fight sequence at timing 1:32. Christopher Franke is simply a maestro when it comes to invoking and provoking emotion. The "In the Beginning" film soundtrack is masterful and the final track of it "Battle of the Line" etc is graceful, chilling and ethereal. In regards to the music at 1:32, is it on any of the Babylon 5 compilation CD's? Great video sequence :-)

[toddsmitts]

Neroon was one of the best characters. Killing him was a terrible mistake. We should've seen more of him.

I'd so far as to say I'd love for him to succeed Delenn as the new ambassador to B5 at the end of season 5 (along with Vir and Ta'Lon). Couldn't you just see him in that long shot with them and the others when Sheridan and Delenn leave?

[msanniemc]

@toddsmitts Yeah, but characters getting themselves killed for noble causes is like some kind of Babylon 5 law. They do it all over the place.

He would have been a great main character, though. :)

[toddsmitts]

@Brianboro67 Actually John Vickery is American. You can hear with a more natural accent when he plays Mr. Welles.

[MargaretHJ]

I love this scene. Marcus is awesome! And I love how Neroon grows as the story unfolds.

[twighlightshadowkill]

Marcus is one of my favorite characters, but I hate to see him lose so badly to someone who lost to Sheridan when Sheridan was practically unarmed

[whereitsat309]

...missed out the bit where Neroon throws the bloodied pike at her feet post punch up, that's good.

[msanniemc]

I don't know how people can call this the worst episode when it has a scene like this. Ever heard of fast forward? ;)

Great episode even if it is only 20 minutes long.

[williamskidfears]

Because it's part of the episode "Grey 17 is missing," the main story to which was just a little too slapstick, IMO.

It is good in that shows more of Neroon's own transformation, balancing the transformation of his mentor, same as DeLenn's balanced out Sinclair's.

[Fedaykin24]

You know what! I'm sure he thinks the same about you!

[truellaksala]

Yeah. He is.

[bedlington25]

If that be the case, then I'm nut too

[sleepingpriestess23]

MsLadylove72 : he is^^

[peskylisa]

Marcus is the embodiment of intergalactic "noblesse"

[StarshipMaxima]

If the Minbari every joined the Federation, the Romulans and the Borg would be extinct.

[shiirad]

"We stand on the bridge and no one may pass..."

and 'next time find revelation in a way that isn't quite so uncomfortable.'

Wonderful lines!

[skok65]

The writing on Babylon 5 was so incredible.

[aosludge]

Neroon is the MAN. and i think the only person who could ever manage to make him laugh would be Marcus. that little smart ass has his good points.

[StarshipMaxima]

Neroon really was a bad son of a bitch! I wish there'd been more of him on B5.

[williamskidfears]

One of the best of the recurring characters, Vickery did awesome work developing Neroon given only the four episodes in which he appeared.

[shinluis]

how cool can this possibly be XD

i really miss the show

[Jorsalfar]

Marcus was so cool.