The big game pokerstars - Joe Cada folding KK´s

[Businessmanthess]

This isn't WSOP,this is real poker lucksack...

[vicprobey]

There was nothing wrong with a fold there, Barry represented a set from the beginning and people that think that KK is an invincible hand are idiots.

[PociusMaximus]

@vicprobey Nothing wrong with the fold, except it was a bad fold

[jiamonx2]

@vicprobey can't really say he was repping a set from the beginning..., anyways I think I would 4bet this instead of shipping it. I mean think about the odds preflop. KK vs 99 or 88 QQ is 80ish percent 4:1 odds. 1 out of every 5 times you'll lose unless Cada had already thought Barry had Aces preflop which is unlikely because there was no 4bet.

[Gaida087]

this is wsoop champion ?!? LOL

[zandaofly]

i dont think its a terrible fold to be frank. barry over-repped his hand and too many people go broke with one pair in NLHE.

[Matador13th]

@zandaofly "barry over-repped his hand" uhh not really if he had pocket Q's he would have re-raised pre. cada could have put him on AQ, no way Q9 orQ8. MAYYYY BE THE SET but deff shoulda called and hoped not for a diamond.

[CoLLecToR91]

Barry played the flop like he had a set of 8s or maybe 9s... they're playing for a lot of cash, but I think Cada overthinked this hand as maybe playing out of his roll if he makes folds like that all the time

[Matador13th]

@CoLLecTo

[Matador13th]

@CoLLecToR91 lol no he didnt, it only seems that way because cada bets out, so he gets raised. on that board he should have check raised to see were he was at. lol NOT bet call raise and not being pot committed. lol funny how you accuse cada of over thinking, thats usually wat rookies do lol play more cash games sunny )!

[bendustries]

cada played like shit in the world series and he still plays like shit. enough said.

[Ripptyde64]

standard fold...nothing to see here folks

[fataguy]

Cadas countenance looks like he wants any reason to fold those ace magnets owever you feel about the play..............

[nyrocks54]

bad fold because he has to assume that barry could easily think he has 1010 or JJ by just calling on the flop so then cada has to assume all medium strength hands on the turn will continue to bet for value vs. 1010 and JJ making his 2 kings good. Cada just overthought it and talked himself into making a HERO fold

[2LonelyPlanet]

@nyrocks54 easy for you to say so, in real live poker, you didn't know what your opponent has :) straight possibility and flush draw, Cada has nothing but a big pair but not big enough:) not a good fold, but i guess he can raise on the turn or just call and wait for the river...he's just new to this stakes :),

[Matador13th]

@nyrocks54 oooo nice maestro. sick analyses!

[MrDonses]

just what i thought this kid FLUKED THE WSOP, im sure he wont win another braclet ever again in his life...

[lekshoner]

XD LOL FOLD VERY BAD FOLD

[painandtorment]

MIKE HOW CAN YOU FOLD POCKET KINGS!

[kinger777444]

@painandtorment really? Greenstein rarely fires a second bullet. Theres 1 reason. also KK is easily beatable on that board. In my mind its basically a coinflip on my decision being either shove the flop or flat flop then fold turn to massive bet(depending on cadas stack anbased off whatever reads i have on the opponent)

[MCHellraiser88]

Everyone here hating on Cada needs to stfu. He got outplayed by a very tough player. Doesn't make him bad. Barry was a little off about the strength of Cada's hand, but he was correct in guessing it was a pocket pair and played accordingly. That was a very draw heavy board and as far as Cada knew he might already be crushed by a set or J10s. I'd like to see any of these broke ass youtube $1 SNG pros face a raise followed by a $35k bet and then ship Kings.

[thomasparg]

@MCHellraiser88

well said!!



[MCHellraiser88]

@thomasparg Thank you! It's so easy for people to act judgmental when they can see the cards. People forget to put themselves in the shoes of the professional whom they're flaming.

[thomasparg]

@MCHellraiser88

I dont know much about Cada´s playing skills,but in my opinion theres was nothing wrong with he´s fold considering the situation,that wasnt a best flop for him and a reraise from Greenstein,then the 35K raise on the turn,i mean KK is not unbeatable hand,how the fuck could Cada know he was against QQ

[westbororapist]

@thomasparg The flop and turn were nothing to be afraid of. Cada made a rookie mistake, his defeatest demeaner is the stuff pros feed on.

[Matador13th]

@westbororapist lol NICE!

[Matador13th]

@thomasparg lol omg your an idiot i would break you down but im high and i just destroyed 2 other idiots so fuck it just insults!!!FAG!!

[Matador13th]

@MCHellraiser88 shit after winning the wsop for 8 fucking large you cocksucker id ship it with deuces! lol

[morzloks]

cada put him on either AA or QQ thats why he folded. He should have known that barry would have repopped him pre flop with AA or QQ

[Matador13th]

@morzloks thats has got to be the dumbest fucking shit ive ever heard!!!

[golfmaniac007]

this hand a good representation of Cada's poker playing level.

[barberap]

@golfmaniac007 I take it you've earned millions of dollars and a WSOP bracelet to qualify yourself to critique Joe Cada's play?

[BCObozeman]

@golfmaniac007 he's new to this kind of stakes

[Matador13th]

@BCObozeman irrelevant case point durrrr

[Randy1337]

@golfmaniac007 that`s right.folding the best hand is amazing.

[Alv0luzionTV]

he fold the wrong time, he call the wrong time

[mattYYYz]

Call on the flop and c/f on the turn? Why? He should have folded on the flop if he planned to fold on a non-scary on the turn.

[blackpebblemashups]

that wasn't dumb, if a Q, J, or diamond would have popped up he would have lost. its one of those hands that could go both ways and he just chose to play it safe and fold.

[mattYYYz]

@blackpebblemashups - it just happens 30% of the times man... It's like folding KK pre because you think your opponent has Ax. I don't think this kind of play is EV+, just fold flop if you don't feel comfortable in most turns if you play oop

[Matador13th]

@blackpebblemashups noooo way that diamond hit 9% asshole!!!

[blackpebblemashups]

@Matador13th first off what diamond are u talking about? and second how am i an asshole because of this diamond of yours??

[ggnub100]

wtf he folds KK but goes all in on 22 at the wsop? LOL!

[Matador13th]

@ggnub100 to be fair that is wayyy different

[homoclovek]

Cada isnr very good player... I seen WSOP 2009 final table... and he was just lucky....

[MCFoultier]

i would fold too. rangewise, barry has him crushed more often than not here i think. he may try to look at barry and read him. good luck on that.

[MmaSmarty87]

goes to show u how stupid alot of u are its not a bad thing sometimes to fold Kings If u think ur beat or if ur opponent has many cards left in the deck 2 crack em even if u are ahead or not..if u have KK and the flop comes 589 with rainbow and the player is playin back at u chances are they either A got u beat or B drawin to a hand that will crush ur KK..id put money that the river was either a QJ 10 or diamond and Cada would be feelin even worse

[Matador13th]

@MmaSmarty87 omg your a fucking idiot no way any of that shit happens holy fucking that stupid!! lol and that 589 scenario is fucking retarded lmfao and quite ridiculous YEA CUZ BARRYS OR WHOEVER THE FUCK IS GANA RAISE DRAWING TO A WAT NOW LOL???

[MmaSmarty87]

@Matador13th lmfao u monkey troll...i can tell u were high when postin these comments...who the fuck are u? a waste of time and a epic fail at trollin

[rfwelsh]

Wow, talk about badly played. He would have been better off checking the flop to keep the pot smaller.

[VicenzoV]

If I were in Cada's spot, and we were playing for peanuts, I would bet all my peanuts on the flop.

[Koanajimi]

@VicenzoV i wanna play with peanuts once, sounds fun.

[Matador13th]

@VicenzoV lol hell yea especially with the draw out there. doubt full he call pre wit pocket 8 or 9. may be if it was ivey or durrrr

[coreycunninghamkarl]

Cada is a lucky fuck. He didn't deserve his bracelet, he sucked out so many times, the jackass

[laffizzle]

cash games are harder than tournaments

thats why i stick to tournys hehe

[ggyy77]

CCCCCC- COMBObreaker.



[BurntPineapple]

I thought from the title he folded preflop. This wasnt a horrible fold.

[tmc359]

This is why Cada won over a field of 6000 and got the most prestigious prize in all of pokerdom. Sure, he was ahead, but we can see what BG has, and it's easy to criticize isn't it? Cada choose caution with only 1 pair, he knows BG was going to bet again on the river and did Cada want to stake a possible $200K+ pot with an overpair? BG could have a made straight from the get go, 8-9, Q-9, 8-8, 9-9, Q-Q, etc. This is why Tom Dwan has never won a bracelet and prob never will.

[AslamProductionz]

joe cada is so overrated

[godhedsmanden]

well im not gonna read any body comments on this1 just saying i would have re raised barry's 35k all in probaly. woulndt be a vagina.

[flip92]

BARRY GREEEEENSTEINNN

[zzzgdap]

Cada noob.

[patg316]

The only thing I didn't like from Cada was the flop call. Raise and find out where you're at. The fold on the turn could only mean he thought Barry had J-10 or a set. I have no problem with the fold personally, but he gained no information on the flop, and Joe should've.

[TheCleetz]

green coulda caught a 10 J Q, running diamonds....he had tons of outs

[knightofsx33]

lol cada got fked on LMAO

[fliptthescript]

cada should of folded the flop. he didn't even go over what hands green stein could be holding just instead called pretty fast. Just a poor decision its a easy fold with kk. any jj, 10j, 88, 99 have him dominated and any q9, 98, also dominated and even like a q j, 910, or even like a 6,7 have a lot of outs against him. His mistake was betting the flop. He shoudl of check called the flop and pot controlled it instead of leading out into green stein on that board.

[Arminius1476]

@fliptthescript He should HAVE folded the flop. There is no such thing as "should of."

[Mk927]

This wasn't a bad laydown by Cada, he was getting so much action from Greenstein, who definitely overplayed his top pair mid kicker.

[julepeypoker]

@Mk927 idiots are idiots...

mid pair? i think a J is a nice kicker u dumb... and he has a inside straigt draw and a flush draw... overplay what dumb? nerd

[Mk927]

@julepeypoker

"Overplay what dumb"... ?

Keep putting all your money in with top pair J kicker and drawing to inside straights. Idiot.

And learn some english.

[thatguywithnothing]

what a champion. and yes that was a terrible laydown. terrible bet and call on the flop and terrible check on fourth st. like i said what a champion

[thatguywithnothing]

what a champion

[soonermagic24]

this is why i quit poker.. if cada had called, then that asshole would have hit a flush, or straight.. its a game of luck people not skill

[theman1819]

@soonermagic24 that what all the losers say, the good players dont care about luck short term luck they care about the long run.

[p4nd1ll3r0]

Hahaha Its very funny , because if barry had the set of 8, all of you would be posting  "Wow, how he can call with only an overpair, that board its too dangerous, what a bad player, he can't definitively fold kings.., what a fish.."

So, just say that you hate him because he won the main event with luck and thats all :D!

[UndercoverLdn]

@p4nd1ll3r0

basicly this

[MrGnomemeat]

Ok so he folded the best hand, but, let's be real here. Joe Cada doesn't give two shits about the money, he thought he was beat straight up.

I think a small 3bet on the flop would be best but even then Barry would still call. Very difficult spot with KK I suppose. He put barry on one of 3 hands essentially, j10 or a set of 99/88 which is a little ridic, but still.

[jbrett88]

Wait... Did 'Legends Night' just flash up on the screen at the end? Is that what the theme of this game of poker is? I'm sorry but in no way is Joe Cada a legend... Jason Mercier is also a massive stretch to be labelled as a legend!

[lolimfalling]

@jbrett88 its best of the big game legends night where they show highlights throughout the season, maybe they were just showing 'legendary' hands? idk i agree though many pple sitting @ that table are not legends, u can even see Daniel Alaei and Justin Bonomo sitting at the table and unless ur a pretty big poker fan i don't think ur likely to even recognize them let alone call them legends.

[pacmanJT]

how can he call raise on flop and fold turn. what a bad player.

[k0rk1]

it was a tough spot. but i think he still misplayed it a bit he should have shipped on the flop to not put himself in such a spot.

[smb1103]

wtf is going on here? of couse cada played it absolutely shithouse! just calling on the flop was the worst thing he could do there...no redraw...and a tonne of scare cards out there for him..greenstein is more like likely to have a strong queen than any other hand on the flop so he should of reraised all in..after all if a blank comes on the turn cada still has the same decision as he did on the flop. just proves why cada is the worst main even winner in a few years.

[megatera]

@smb1103 why do people always seem to think that shoving is the right move?

[pacmanJT]

@megatera because shoving folds out a lot of semibluff hands that raise flops like these and it gets rid of later decision making where few good cards are left in the deck for the turn and river.

[Matador13th]

@smb1103 I agree or shoulda check raised flop also. 

[djkocisi]

you stupid internet morons... he had one pair, no re draw and was out of position against a man who will always cbet with either the nuts or nothing... its an awful situation for cada and he isnt going to play it like the rest of you retarded internet players who will go crazy with one pair there against in an awkward spot....

[dinosaur4]

@djkocisi barrys bet on the turn looked like a bet to protect his hand from a straight draw. If I was in joe cadas spot that would be an easy shove for me, but everyones different.

[krafthower]

@djkocisi dont bullshit mate. what might cada think that greenstein have there? he should have gone all in or at least a raise on the flop. such a poor play

[gidonehc]

@djkocisi barry can have only pocket 88 or 99..in the best of ipotesi..but he tribet on flop in position with a player like cada why if i can have the set?! i'm according that was only a pair (KK) and against a player like barry you can t be happy of your over pair but in this spot cada do the wrong thing for the action preflop..later you and me see the card, it s simple now..but i probably quadribet committing me on the flop,, :)

[MaximusRelaximus]

@gidonehc What are you talking about?! He could just as easily have exactly the type of hole cards he has, but TJ instead of JQ, and that's probably what Cada put him on. I'm still not folding here, especially if Greenstein is the type to always bet. I'm check-raising either the flop or turn. Not sure I'd have allowed him to even see a flop, though...

[BiggRobert1989]

@djkocisi your right he isnt going to play like an internet retard, oh wait didnt he go all in with 22 to suck out on another player then go on to win the main event, your right thats not an internet retard move at all

[Haterbc]

@djkocisi

Yes internet games are way more aggressive, that doesn't mean we're retarded. We're just better.

[fagonator]

@djkocisi he doesn t cbet with nuts or nothing, its like 95%

[ZackValentine]

@djkocisi: Apparantley those 'Stupid Internet Morons' would have had the better chance of winning. You keep folding KK's everytime you get them buddy.

[troycm89]

@ZackValentine Those stupid internet morons would have been bust in Cada's spot before they even had the chance to play this hand. It's a check-raise by Greenstein, one of the tightest and toughest players in high-stakes cash games, on a wet flop where they're playing deep enough that Barry's range could have outflopped Joe in one of six different ways. Cada's in a tough spot right from the start, and anyone who fails to even notice this clearly doesn't deserve to play that high.

[coreycunninghamkarl]

@djkocisi Oh come on, he had a premium fucking hand, he played it like a vagina.

[OceanSkate401]

@coreycunninghamkarl amen

[Matador13th]

@coreycunninghamkarl thank you!!!!

[vaindaigo]

pot limit preflop u retard

joe u played it like an anus

[stjdavis]

Greenstein smells donk.

[vegasnutzz]

Ivey ain't got shit on Cada. Well done Joe, way to play KK like a vagina.

[Toxicpot76]

@vegasnutzz lol he played them the only way he could

it is potlimit lol

[Ayoudell]

@vegasnutzz And if Barry had 88, 99, or J10 it would be "way to get all your money in with an overpair drawing dead, Joe Cada!"

[WaspSnG]

@vegasnutzz If Greenstein had a straight or 2 pair, that he could easily have in this situation, you would say it's a good laydown. He's out of position with one pair on a scary board, were he's probably beat a high percentage of the time here.

Though, who am I to judge? You probably play 50NL online, so wow, I ain't got shit on you.

[whatageeza]

@vegasnutzz Part of the nofold'em crew are you?

[asianmonk]

@vegasnutzz you obviously do not know poker. it helps when you see all of the whole cards lol.

[troycm89]

@vegasnutzz Well done sir, way to be a multimillionaire with a WSOP bracelet. Oh wait...

[vegasnutzz]

@troycm89

Im not saying im better than anyone. Im just saying that when he chose to "just call" pre he was either trapping, or wanted off a flop. He should have realized his lead out (Having just called pre) looked weak, so Barry raising the flop is almost standard. At that point, it's time to spring the trap. It's like he got exactly what he wanted, then folded out of the blue.

If he decided he didn't like the flop, check/call.....

Thats all im saying.

NOW STFU and get me a combo meal

[troycm89]

@vegasnutzz First off, he was the preflop 3-bettor, not Barry, so there's no trapping to speak of here. Second of all, it's not standard to raise the flop with top pair and a gutshot at all -- in fact, it's completely unorthodox with a middle-strength hand like top pair jack kicker unless Barry feels he can push Joe off a better hand while attempting to improve his own. Third off, trapping with KK on a Q98 board? lol...more like protecting your hand since you have no draw on a wet board.

[vegasnutzz]

@troycm89

You will read my comment. Not because you want to, but because you have to. My opinion, as someone you have engaged in cyber conflict, is now important to you. Yo want to prove me wrong so that you can confirm what you have suspected for months now:

You are a Youtube Pro.

Right now, your wife should be giving you head under your computer desk a you criticize people online for leaving comments involving poker opinions other than yours.

I love you. Don't ever forget that.

[troycm89]

@vegasnutzz So, to translate what you just said, you admit you were talking out of your ass, but yet you can't possibly fathom why your train of thought is terrible, so you conclude that I must be correcting you solely because I disagree with you and thus must be a "youtube pro," just like you? Gotta love egotistical hypocrites. btw, I'm not a Youtube pro. I just practice common sense everyday and transition that to poker quite well. You should try the same thing, fish!

[troycm89]

@vegasnutzz so how about you STFU, and while you're at it, why don't you pay my rent?

[pokerchobo]

@vegasnutzz whats ur nick at ptr?

[DukeBalaor]

@vegasnutzz only donky could likes this. Barry just plays like he had J10, or set and cada is pro, know KK is only pair.

[daveygravey123456]

lol i dont know what that means