Kodak "Print and Prosper" sell outs on youtube!

[webwolf7]

Wow, I would have never guessed that I would see a conversation between TheSillyOldDude and KipKay! Pretty epic!

[TheInsanemonkeyboy]

I noticed a lot of people promoting the Flip cams now aswell.

[POTC03]

shay isnt a sell out D: watch his vlog talking about sellouts before u judge.

[leloodallasmultipass]

when they ran those ads, every person that I clicked on that ran one got a nasty comment from me and I have not eaten at that place since. I think sxephil was the only one that said "CJ's paid me to do this so here you go"- as you say, its been a while so I may have forgotten a few details.

[kipkay]

Just like any other medium...you don't have to watch, listen or read what you don't want to. Since Google owns YouTube and designed and markets the Nexus One phone, it's a natural marketing strategy to use YouTube as an advertising medium. And even better for them to use the most popular YouTube Partners to do it.

[TheSillyOldDude]

@kipkay

Just to put your comment in perspective, old friend, have you been given products or money by any company other than youtube to make a video on any subject?

(I was going to leave you out of this!)

[kipkay]

@The SillyOldDude - I've been in the video production biz for 25 years. I make videos for a living as well as for the enjoyment of it. It pays my insurance, groceries...etc. I certainly have In the past 25 years been given products (and of course money!) by many companies other than YouTube. Also, you do realize that the hundreds of musicians, movie and TV stars and sports celebrities that "pitch" a product are getting paid, right? They don't say "I'm being paid". Why is YouTube different?

[TheSillyOldDude]

@kipkay

If you read the comments on my most recent video ("Youtube Con Job of the week") you will see how youtubers feel about the Kodak style buy outs...

I am sure you have had similar comments on your Kodak advertisement, so you know what I mean.

I left you out of my attacks on this issue, Kip, because of our former connection on Metacafe..

I wish you had not included yourself in this, my friend.

[leloodallasmultipass]

@kipkay the reason why it's different has only to do with context. I have been on YT (having gone through several names) since its early days, as have many people. We have come to expect when we subscribe to someone that they will engage in practices that we subscribed to them for. As they change and start getting paid for product placement, we would like to know what's up. Many YT channels became famous for parodies and sometimes it is hard to tell if a product placement is real.

[leloodallasmultipass]

@kipkay Context. YT is changing into a biz but people don't expect there to be ads. Many channels have been built on parodies of ads and it is hard to tell when someone is switching from a parody to selling something (ex: nigahiga). You come from a background that uses ads all the time but YT doesn't and so it needs to properly inform its audience to keep itself honest. Your kodak ad was a real surprise to me, even with the obvious labeling. I have a family, I get why, but it was a surprise.

[Roughneck8]

hahaa I commented on Kipkays sell-out vid as soon as he put it up the other day and he deleted my comment! (his vid about repacing ink). No joke. Sell-OUTS

[ReliableInsider]

@kipkay

I have seen interesting advertising, in my lifetime. I've even seen informative advertising.

But it's pretty rare.

People who broadcast advertising have to label it *as* *advertising* for ethical reasons.

But also to allow those of us who are inundated with advertising and have no time for any more of it . . .

*not* to watch it.

I think you label adequately because it sounds so much like advertising, but some YouTubers have been much more ambiguous.

[ReliableInsider]

And the road to ethical lapses is paved with ambiguity.

What is destroying democracy in America? Corporations doing little favors for Members of Congress and Members of Congress doing little favors for those corporations in return.

[KISSArmyMax522]

@kipgay sellout.

[tetrahydroscope]

mmm charles jr

i do love the big carl

[blank000blank]

ha ha 5* for 'Cash for Comment'

John Laws and Alan Jones are the poster children for this kind of dishonest behaviour

[TheSillyOldDude]

@blank000blank

Yeah, I forgot they did that!

[ImmortalDragon]

Did you get one?

[TheSillyOldDude]

@ImmortalDragon

No, I am not "famous" enough on youtube to be able to sell enough of them.

They also probably know what I would do.. I would tell you what a con it was!  :-D

[freakmrhyde]

Man thank you ! I didn't had any idea what the "Nexus one" was and why so many people were talking about their phone recently ...

Man I'm thinking about quiting my job to start vlogging on Y.T. Popularity is great, one of them just won a 100 000$ contest a couple of days ago. Even if I like the videos they makes sometime, I can't help it to be jealous of the ridiculous amount of money they make out of it...

[TheSillyOldDude]

@freakmrhyde

Dont quit your job just yet..

The way youtube is set up the front page youtubers will always get all the views and new people like you and me have zero chance.

That is why most of those popular ones dont try hard any more.. they dont need to - they can post any crap and it will get loads of views.

[FenderGibsonWashburn]

According to new set of rules put out by the Federal Trade Commission, bloggers have a duty to disclose their relationships with advertisers. So basically they must say if they were paid or received free products from an advertiser. Can't put a link here but do a search for "FTC Publishes Final Guides Governing Endorsements, Testimonials" to read it for yourself.

[TheSillyOldDude]

@FenderGibsonWashburn

You are right.

Already read it... but it is being broken all over Youtube.

We all know the vloggers breaking that law but nobody stops them. so they continue.

[karlisown]

what the buck!!!

[WHATTHEBUCKSHOW]

they sent me a phone. i didnt get asked to make a video :-) It is a good phone! i have the Droid too so I like the interface. I think its flattering that these big companies want to hire YT people to make these vids. Id rather see them then Kim Kardashian! HA!

[TheSillyOldDude]

@WHATTHEBUCKSHOW

Yeah Michael, I think it is great too.

My point was (and always is) about being HONEST about who is getting paid for their endorsements.

The FTC agree with me, right.

[theeyesofanother]

I like that you tell us how it is, and that you are honest with the people that take the time to watch your videos. (I rather like your videos BTW) Please, keep up the good work and i'll be following your uploads.

[TheSillyOldDude]

@theeyesofanother

more coming!

[DerSchnurrbart]

I wonder how much they get paid to make the commercials.

[PaulinoAuyon]

@DerSchnurrbart

They usually get the actual product as payment.

[NesanXIII]

It has already begun! D:

It's Cloverfield all over again!

[NextNate03]

The problem about cell phones that does just about anything. The service planes cost to much money. Some people have that kind of money. Some don't.

[AbortedSheepFetus]

Yeah I've seen a bunch of videos about the Nexus One by bid Youtubers already.

Love the vid, keep it up.

[DerSchnurrbart]

It was Carl's Jr., not Charles Jr.

[glasseyelashes]

@DerSchnurrbart. i like charles jr. better.

[callousg]

mate you should totally check out the nokia 3210. it has snake!!

im totally not getting paid for this either

[ever4far]

omg really?

[animenexus6]

I think just wait for Nexus 6 version. :D

[thaifaq]

An interesting question to ask oneself is if you had a very popular channel would you accept payment from a company to endorse their products without letting your users know? It is easy to say no I wouldn't do it and take the high road but I'm sure that as the sponsorship dollars increased it would get harder to decline the offers.

[TheSillyOldDude]

@thaifaq

Life is full of dilemmas like that.

Can our honesty be bought.

I am a partner but guarantee i will never get these offers because of the videos like this one :-D

[MysteryGuitarMan]

I made sure I put the pre-roll on mine... also, I didn't mention anything about the phone itself. Just used it to make a quirky video :D

[Dragon22873]

I think you should get payed for what you do. You make great video's and everyone likes them =D And they are interesting / useful!

[TheSillyOldDude]

@Dragon22873

Thank you, I do!

I am a Youtube partner and earn about $2 a day for spending 8 hours a day making videos and looking after my channels and my 280 videos :-D

[Dragon22873]

@TheSillyOldDude

You should earn about $200 a day. THAT would be fair!

[TheSillyOldDude]

@Dragon22873

Sounds very fair to me!!!

Another 500,000 subscribers should do it!

[dhaddox]

The ones I've seen so far have said they were sponsored by Google.

[TheSillyOldDude]

@dhaddox

That is good, and honest!

[nurutoseks]

well, i don't mind that people get paid, I like those channels that i'm subscribed to and it's only fair that they get money :D

[TheSillyOldDude]

@nurutoseks

I agree, getting money from bug companies is great!

But being honest about it is important..

[nurutoseks]

indeed, and I'm glad you point that out :)

Happy Mall driving :) (couldn't help it lol)

[jadeivycartwright]

True, true. One must endure, I guess. I generally don't rate those sell out videos at all.

Btw, nice channel thumbnail. Did you make it?

[TheSillyOldDude]

@jadeivycartwright

No, Japanese guy made it..

[TheSillyOldDude]

@Pinkwatermellon

Thanks Pinky.

[TheOneReesy]

Nice video... will u have a nexus one? :P

[TheSillyOldDude]

@TheOneReesy

Not likely after this one!!

[wizzbangtg]

Thanks Buddy, I appreciate the heads up.

[blossomblizzard]

If I see its about a product, I don't usually watch it. I just watch youtube for a good laugh! ^__^

Love your channels, keep up the awesome work! ♥

[TheSillyOldDude]

@blossomblizzard

Thanks, more coming!!

[TheWhitmore]

Ive got an idea, people could comment and say which YouTubers they've seen feature the Nexus One. SOD (SillyOldDude), could you put a list of all of them in an annontation or something

Ive seen it on Sxephil and MysteryGuitarMan.

5 stars for the truth of the matter.

[blackhorror12]

i've seen a video about it from nigahiga

[TheSillyOldDude]

@TheWhitmore

I think it is OK if they are honest about it..

were they??

[TheWhitmore]

Sxephil said he was SPONSERED by Google to say it, but didn't actually establish that the Nexus One is a phone designed by Google, which i was unaware of until i saw this video.

[TheSillyOldDude]

@TheWhitmore

Yeah, I noticed Nigahiga say the same thing...

Mentioned Google but not the connection..

[Hioushi]

Thanks for the heads up

[NodnarbRS]

I've seen a bunch already... It does look nice :D

[f11rob]

Ah what can you do hey, gotta make money somehow, just google are greedy ;)

[FelixTheHouseFreak]

Cool heads up.