This video was made before the official timeline was released, I don't know why there's still arguments in the comments. The official timeline puts minish cap after skyward sword. Before skyward sword, minish cap was first, but now it comes second in the timeline.
all of your points are invalid skyward swords link and zelda were the first link and zelda an dont try pull all that geography crap because skyward sword places are named after the light spirits from tp but theres no mention of them in oot also minish cap states a picori came from the sky that could have been the first link people of the mc era could have named ss links people the picori and thus ss would come first
I've watched you video until the very end, yet I STILL think Skyward Sword is first. Look how the sword from MC was supposed to look like the Master Sword at first. How could that sword have existed if Skyward Sword had not been first? And Skyward Sword is like the only game where Zelda is not a princess. She became princess after Skyward Sword.
Prior to Skyward Sword, there was the goddess Hylia, then she reincarnated as Zelda and the events in Skyward Sword kicked off, and from then on she created a bloodline that would become the royal family, with daughters being named after the very Zelda that was once Hylia.
So how come there is a Princess Zelda in the Minish Cap? Simple, it comes after Skyward Sword. It could never have come before.
One thing though. I would have to believe that Skyward Sword is first because when you get the Goddess's sword in SS later on it turns into the Master sword. And also as they have a picture of what appears to be the Master Sword in the MC picture it means the Master Sword had already been transformed from being the goddess's Sword. Skyward Sword Link would have to have been the first Link to ever use the Master Sword. Like I said there seemed to be a Master Sword in MC already.
I do kind of believe your theory here is more evidence in skyward sword they said there was people on the surface but the evil arose and the goddess sent a chunk of the surface into the sky
ummmmmm there are moblins in minish cap and moblins are minor images of ganon so demise would have to be destroyed first and gonondorf would have to be born?
were special and got put onto an island in the sky also 2. zelda isnt a princess so theres no royal family yet 3. vatii was just a creation of demise's hatred as was ganondorf
just to point out about your points 1. every knight in skyloft had the same style hat just in a different colour so link was given that hat for that reason 2. zelda never used the light power so she hasnt obtained that yet 3. skyward sword also doesnt have ganon/ganondorf the two main bad guys are ghirahim and demise and demise's hatred is reborn later on and now to make a few points of my own to say skyward sword was first 1. there are no humans on the land below in skyward sword because they
it seems sad that one of the most beloved characters and series of games ever created has no real story at all. the truth of it is that the develepers never cared about the story and had to eventually come up with some multiple timeline scenario in order to try to coverup their lack of foresight and laziness leaving fans to argue about these things. while the games are awesome the writing has always been horrible, as is sadly the case in most games.
dude you are so wrong, first of all there is an official timeline, ever heard of hyrule historia? and besides, in SS Hyrule is starting to exist, they didn't even call it Hyrule yet, and in Minish Cap they already call it Hyrule, there is even a Hyrule Castle, and in SS there isn't, who gives a crap about a hat, the hat is not important. So SS is the very beginning and not Minish Cap, and Minish Cap is also created by capcom, so there might be some mistakes in the story
@jaspii23 besides in SS zelda is the called the incarnation of the goddess, yet more important she is pretty much called the first incarnation of the goddess by herself. and it's not like ohh I become a god now (shortly after MC) and become a huan again in SS
Very nice, and this is a reasonable deduction as well, but I would like to enquire, wouldn't that mean that Hylia was an irresponsible goddess? We know that due to the demon invasion stated in SS, Hylia raised all the remaining humans on a rock into the sky(skyloft). That means Minish Cap could only take place before that. However, we also know that Hylia was given the task of defending the triforce, from Farore, Nayru and Din. That would mean Zelda back then wasn't Hylia, but Hylia exists then
@ongyuh Continuing, then we would know that the light force and the triforce wouldn't be the same thing. Then, if Hylia existed back then, then why would Link be needed, or Zelda for that matter. Link and Zelda were "created" as part of the goddess's plan to save the land, when she reincarnated into Zelda. Just my two cents on the matter though. The logic behind putting each game first really seems mutually exclusive.
@ongyuh well, I think Hylia created this shield along with the sword and gave it to the dragon, so that he can hand it down to the hero to come. I don't think the Hylian Shield is relevant for this argument.
Who knows? Maybe someone made a sword, and sent it to a dimension where it needed to be powered up to make actual separate beings instead of faded versions of your self for limited amounts of time. Maybe the four sword is a DEMON SWORD that created demonic copies of yourself by feeding off of your soul, had half it's power sealed away, and was sent into a dimension where the hero of the era didn't have a sexy green hat.
....you all do know that the official timeline was given in the hyrule historia it goes skyward sword, minish cap, four swords, OoT then it splits 3 ways. there's the future he leaves after beating ganon which leads to WW, PH, and ST. the past one when he leaves which leads to Majora's Mask, TP, then four swords adventure. and the 3rd is if he were to fail in Oot and that causes the sealing wars leading to a link to the past then , OoA/S, Link's awakening, zelda 1, and finally 2
@TheZeikStorms the third is not to fail but it is a time where Link didn't exist if that makes sense um Link altered the past which made an alternate future so in the first future there was no Link... :-)
Maybe it's placed in the distant future, far from any of the other games?
They've simply forgotten the traditional names, like FI said: oral tradition is the least reliable way to store information.
In Skyward Sword, Zelda IS the godess' direct rebirth, meaning that if she appeared in Minish Cap, then this is OBVIOUSLY NOT THE FIRST GAME.
You don't have solid enough "proof", I am sorry since you've put this much time into it. You have a lot of "fitting" arguments, but SS makes it IMPOSSIBLE.
skyward sword obviously came first because when the skyward sword was there, the four sword or the master sword didnt exist. in skyward sword the game, the skyward sword becomes the master sword, so now just the four sword has yet to exist. In minish cap, they say a sword was brought down to them from they sky (skyloft) and they kept the sword, vaati shattered it and it was reforgded into the four sword.
okay, for one you are a tard! Second you are still a tard.. Third The Master sword, existed in Minish cap... but it was FREAKING CREATED IN SKYWARD SWORD!!!!!!! so F you idea about the Fkn hat and realize that hey maybe the hat is for comfort and not for honoring a dumb bird hat.
@12345DARKLINK Have you even played Minish Cap. If the Tri-Force isn't Mentioned in Minish Cap and It was Discovered in Skyward that means the Tri-Force isn't discovered in Minish Cap, that means its first or that would just be weird.
You quoted "Second you are still a Tard" Wait so you couldn't think about something else.
@BeyBlade1999 , In fact I was stating that you were a "tard" because I actually believe that you needed to hear it a second time due to the fact that you probobly were to stupid to know when you were being insulted. Also wow! You must have a hard time cleaning your mouth with all of the Bulls**t coming out! ;)
@Xelphene Think about it, Impa lived on the ground in Skyward sword. WAIT SOMEONE LIVED ON THE GROUND. That could mean that Settlements could of been there before. MINISH CAP.
@BeyBlade1999 It says in Skyward Sword that everyone lived on the ground before Demise attacked and Hylia put the humans into the sky. You have not really thought that argument through.
@Xelphene In Minish Cap there is no Master Sword? Where did it go? The Master Sword is discovered in Skyward Sword. If the Tri-force is discovered in Skyward Sword then in Minish cap if it isn't Mentioned or saw then it has to still be discovered. Also it says they put the humans in the Sky... wait if their called Humans in Minish Cap then they are called Hryulians in the end of Skyward Sword then that means that Minish Cap is first but Nintendo made a random time-line and didn't give a fuck.
@BeyBlade1999 At the end of SS, the humans are not Hyrulians because Hyrule has not yet been established. They have only just returned to the surface world. SS makes it pretty clear that SS's Zelda is the first ever Zelda and that Link is the first ever Link. Demise is the original evil and when he is defeated his leftover essense causes all the future evils to exist. SS also sets in motion the reincarnation of Link and Zelda, so it could not possibly come after another game.
The fact is that Skyward Sword has to be first because of its story. At the start, no-one posesses the Triforce (so it could not follow on from the Minish giving Zelda it). Zelda's light powers stem from her being the Goddess Hylia, which is also the reason she gets reincarnated. Demise takes her soul and absorbs some of it before Link defeats him, meaning that his evil becomes unbreakable so that it can be reincarnated to form ALL the main evils that Link faces in later games.
@Xelphene Link is reincarnated from then on because he is the Goddess' chosen hero and he must battle the evil of Demise when it returns in the future. Demise's power is locked in the Master Sword at the end of the game, which could explain any time delay before the first reincarnation of Demise could arise). There is no reason to believe that Ganon must reincarnate into Ganon, rather it is Demise becoming all the enemies Link faces (Malladus, Bellum, Ganon etc.).
I just want to say that in ss zelda "is" the goddess hylia (or at least her human form). And maybe that's the reason why she has powers, not just because the triforce symbol on her hand. and why do you always mention ganon. maybe you didn't realize that there is no ganon in ss. it is demise and i think demise is the source of ganons future powers. i think ganon is the embodyment of the curse demise put on link. this may have taken centuries, so there is enough time for the story of minish cap.
When link defeats demise, he puts a curse on him that he and everyone linked to him will have incarnations in which events related to this will happen over and over.
There was no hero before the events of skyward sword. In the prologue of Skyward Sword, It said that Hylia put the remaining humans on the sky and she and the rest of the land dwellers (not humans because she sent them all to the sky) fought the invaders.
Just to say in skyward sword link didn't always have a hat so skyward sword is first. Also every link is a reincarnation of the hero of man. Another thing is, the offical timeline is not and never will be complete until they stop making new legend of zelda games. Not to mention the charachter demise is the first gannondorf the rest are reincarnations of demise. Finally, the minish cap is second because demise hasn't been reincarnated as ganon. reply if ya want to disscuss my theories.
theres an interesting theory with the light force triforce thing. since at the end of the minish cap after vaati is defeated they also say something like part of the lightforce was also destroyed and then right after the triforce appears on zelda's hand making it the first appearence in the game. if this is how the triforce came to be then it absolutely HAD to come before SS. just putting that out there
@dertrebor123 but the master sword was made in SS,and in minish cap its already there,and in SS the triforce was already there since link obtains it to save zelda,SS was first
The thing is, the Minish didn't handed down the Triforce - I believe it was confirmed to be a big force gem hence in the intro of the Minish Cap -- seen in this video @ 3:59 above Link -- it's shaped as one big triangle and not 3 triangles.
@TheChange032 I've a point to make about your first point.
*SPOILERS* at the end of Skyward Sword when you defeat Demise, he mentions that an incarnation of his hatred(Ganon) would follow all of Link's descendants and lead them to their doom.
@MEGAJASONGUY08 Yes he mentioned an incarnation would come later on... BUT AT THAT TME OR DURING THE ENTIRE GAME Ganon didnt exsist...another reason to why i feel SS came first
Minish cap isn't the first Zelda Because In some other Zelda game (forget which Soz XD) The master sword becomes the four sword because it has ganon sealed inside it correct me if i am wrong
@limelungs242 It is true that it is not the first Zelda, but it is never stated in any Zelda game that the Master Sword becomes the Four Sword. In fact, they are two completely separate and unrelated blades. The Four Sword did not have Ganon sealed within it but rather it contained Vaati. Also, Ganon has never been sealed within the Master Sword, only defeated by it.
I don't know if you know this but Nintendo released a timeline and it shows that skyward is first and then it is minish cap, by the way saying the reason is link got his hat in minish cap is very false. It is like saying the reason why link in minish cap wears green is because of the hero in ocarina of time.
This timeline seems very TRUE so stop trolling and think about it people there is NO master sword in MC and the sword of man is completely different. It's made in SS the master sword.
Minish Cap is first because of the hat? That is the most ridiculous failure of logic in the Zelda fanbase. Also you're entire arguement takes a ancient legend that is likely mistranslated as indesputable fact and purely literal. You're whole concept is utter failure.
Well, now thanks to the official we know that Skyward Sword came first. I always thought that it was Skyward Sword, a few games that have not been realeased, and then Ocarina of Time.
how the hell does the master sword turn into the picori blade im so confused????
if everyone has already hurd of the master sword why would they start calling it picori pluse the master sword was placed in the protection of the hylains at the end of skyword sword just like the tryforce not the minish ??? i have my own therie but could anyone explain
Since link goes to the past in skyward sword, could it mean something? I dunno you have a lot of good facts in this video and even though the "official" timeline has been released and it says skyward sword goes first, since link goes to the past in skyward, I dunno could something get fucked up lol.
the minish cap would have to come second because zelda is not a princess and there is no hyrule in skyward sword as well as the master sword of being forged and then used by link in skyward sword as well as the sword being the exact colour as the one in the prologue and explain there not being a land in the sky in mimish cap because link had returned skyloft to the land which creatded hyrule kingdom
but what about the story of zelda wasnt she a goddess whos first apperence as zelda was in the legend of zelda skyward sword ?????? how could zelda be in the minish cap if the minish cap came first?
i agree but disagree because of in skyward sword link makes the white sword long sword master sword than the true master sword so if you think about it minish cap is acually skyward sword because you have to inforged your sword with sacred flames in skyward sword and elements in minish cap so the elements are actually the sacred flames and skyward sword zelda learns her true form and so does link Also this has nothing to do whith this but look at the gorons map in behind the temple its ootmap
u should make a video about the geography only n how it changed over the course of the games...i cant find anything strictly on that n u seem to kno what ur talking about n have enough knowledge to do it...jus a suggestion =]
what if the new zelda game still takes place in the sky like skyward sword and you didnt have a hat then minishcap can be 3 and the new one 2 with skyward sword being first?
Here are my 3 theories 1. minish cap is a third timeline but they haven't made any games the actually come after it 2.its after spirit tracks 3.its somewhere between skyward sword
I was playing skyward sword again the other day and started new game on hero mode. :P but my point zelda told link that when she gave him the shaw for winning and becoming knight that the godess gave this to the hero...or something like that just to let you no.
i believe there are only two time lines BECAUSE a link to the past is very close related to twilight princess because of the scenarios that take place in link to the past. (from what i read from zelda.wiki.com)
The hat argument is just absurd. The link in Spirit Tracks didn't start with a hat, and at some point in each Link's life, he had to find that hat. Just because this game shows him discovering the hat doesn't make it the origin of the hat on every other Link's head.
I agree with you. The fact of Demise's curse is in SS, you can't place Minish Cap second because otherwise Link would have to face Ganon somehow (because of the curse), which he does in FS/FSA (same Link), but does not in MC, therefore we can only assume Ganon does not exist in MC. The reason for other games not including Ganon is because his whereabouts are known (i.e. sealed away, etc.).
@diomonddragon You do realize nintendo just released the official timeline in a book called "Hyrule Historia" showing skyward sword being before minish cap.
@aquaguy34 I do, I know about the official timeline, but there are many things that I don't like about it. Just because it's there, doesn't mean I have to accept it, especially after Nintendo was so reluctant at first to even release a timeline! I would much rather stick to my more logically stringed fanon.
actually 4 swords is a sequel to minish cap. in 4 swords gannon is the real BADDIE and vaati is just one of his minions created by him.if vaati was created by gannon then he couldnt be there in mc without ganon being there. oot was first because thats when gannon was born and where he got the triforce of power. in ww the master sword is actualy the 4s thats why link has to go and get back its power and the light force is the light arrow .zelda got the light arow in tw
triforce. the triforce has many names, the triumph force, triumphforks, triforce, lightforce, the force etc. ambiguity come from zelda and link hiding the triforce upon request of impa from the past while forming hyrule after SS.
Now if you read any of my comments, you will know that your timeline equates to no more than bull feces.
goddess are reincarnated constantly in a never ending cycle. along with the forging of the master sword in SS. it is called the Goddess sword because it was wielded by Hylia and is reforged and tempered into the goddess long sword, the goddess white sword, the master sword then the true master sword. The four sword maybe just another version of the master sword like how there is a tempered sword or a gold sword in ALTTP. the final and third flaw in your so called "flawless" timeline is the
and ganondorf/ganon do not exist in SS sword either. vaati and ganon are all reincarnaitons of demise, who is the root of all evil in zelda. ganon, vaati, agahnim etc all have a passed down hatred that is from demise, like wise Zelda possesses powers derived from the SS zelda as Hylia in flesh. Link recieves his courage and valor through the spirit of the hero given to him by the gods of old, the triforce. Ganondorf is not the key. the key is that the hate, spirit of the hero and blood of the
at the end of SS there is a scene where impa tells link and zelda to hide the triforce and to keep humanity from reaching it, because it was too great a power for man to handle. that is why the triforce is known by so many names in zelda. the lightforce is just synonymous for triforce. the triforce is on the jewel below the handle of the four sword imbecile. if you have not played skyward sword i am sorry, but you need to get onto our level. Skyward Sword establishes basically EVERYTHING.
sword is more important. the master sword is formed in SS and is from the SKY. aesthetically the master sword and picori blade are different because of the art style of the two games. think ww and oot. the you cant call them not the same sword because they dont look the same. the four sword has the ability to perform a sword beam, as do the amster sword and swords of high tier in many zelda games. the four sword could just be very well the golden sword from alttp. now about the light force,
hylia is the goddess mentioned in skyward sword, and the original form of zelda. Zelda in skyward sword is Hylia reincarnated, and thus explains any zelda after the founding of hyrule after skyward sword having powers. this also explains how the sprit of the hero is passed on to every link in every game following SS. and when he was asked if it was between mc OR oot the games are not already set in the timeline. you are taking things too literally. plus getting the hat dosent mean shit. the
and in skyward sword, demise is a god of hate and evil. Demise: " my hate never perishes it is born in a cycle with no end.... I will rise again those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero they are eternally bound to this curse. an INCARNATION of my hate shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood soaked sea for all time." demise reincarnates himself as hate, which is a refrence to every zelda villain ( ganon, ganondorf, vaati etc etc.)
flawless my ass. have you even played Skyward Sword? if you haven't, well tough tits i'm spoiling. in skyward sword there is no "Hyrule". hyrule is known as "The Surface" no npc's say that the land is called Hyrule. There is no kingdom, there is no royal family, Zelda is just another student at the knight academy. it is implied that link and zelda establish hyrule when zelda ask link if he wants to stay on the surface. Minish cap there is a hyrule and a royal family. Get onto our level Dip Sh*t
Main Timeline 1. Skyward Sword 2. Minish Cap 3. Four Swords 4. Ocarina Of Time Split 1: Link defeats Ganon – childhood branch a) Majora’s Mask b) Twilight Princess c) Four Swords Adventures Split 2: Link defeats Ganon – adult branch a) Wind Waker b) Phantom Hourglass c) Spirit Tracks Split 3: Link fails in Ocarina Of Time a) A Link To The Past b) Oracles c) Link’s Awakening d) The Legend Of Zelda e) The Legend Of Zelda II
Nintendo Power: "In the prologue to this game, there are some hints that The Minish People brought a golden light into Hyrule. Does this relate to the Triforce legend?"
Hidemaro Fujibayashi: "Golden light is a very, very old legend of Hyrule and nobody knows how it relates to the Triforce legend. It is still a big mystery whether it has some relationship with the Triforce, which is the most important element in the Legend of Zelda series."
"We did not think to develop a trilogy from the beginning. When we developed the first Four Swords game for GBA, we created a new Hyrule legend that said that a long time ago, evil Vaati brought crisis to Hyrule and people sealed that evil. We had some thought that we wanted to carry over that story into future titles some way."
It's also possible that originally, the Minish Cap was going to feature the Master Sword and not the Picori Blade. The developers didn't have a trilogy in mind when making the backstory of the Four Sword. (quote in next comment)
Eiji Aonuma stated in 2010 that prior to the announcement of Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time was the first game in the timeline. Also, the geography is different in every game. You can't really use that as placement for a theory. The hat is not a good argument. The Light Force has NEVER been confirmed to be the Triforce.
oh yeah, another thing to add about the geographic looks. there was a war before the events of ocarina of time took, and maybe they changed the names of the places after that war. it's just what i think, though. good day :)
@MrHellYeah78 That war was the civil war. And yea it is possible, i mean after all everything is possible when we don't have all the information. That wouldn't explain why/how they would forget about the minish though :(
I think Minish Cap should come second. In the game they introduced this tribe called the 'Wind Tribe' who lived in Fortress of the Wind, but later link found out that the people had left the Fortress and went to live in the sky. (THEORY) i think that these people are sky loft people who went to live in the surface after link and zelda decided to live in the surface at SS, but they were forced to go live in the sky again after Vaati's appearance.. btw, nice vid man, it deserves a like.. :)
i agree with all your timeline except this, you say that developers dont care, miyamoto cares i can tell you that thats why he takes time to make all the games good. this comes before four swords adventures
@MrRhexx Because the sages play a vital role in OOT and because of there deeds they did they got towns named after them, cant explain any more than that.
@MrJeffreymetal91 then why is one of the towns called mido? wtf did he do? you cant take everything to serious games made years apart tend to change things
Hat or no hat, That sword the hero of "men" is holding is the Master Sword. The Master Sword is forged in Skyward Sword. I would place the Minish Cap after TP and befor FSA.
@HPRshredder Why would you say the hero of men carries the master sword? The master sword has the hilt-end shaped like wings while the sword the hero of men carries has a hilt-end curved like a semi circle, suspiciously similar to the goddess sword.
@MrRhexx hero of men is prob in the sky era nintendo had this timeline thought out since each game was being made they didnt throw it together your just butthurt cuz you were wrong.
@HPRshredder That sword is the Picori Blade, not the Master Sword. I do like your placement of The Minish Cap, but here's your fatal flaw: If the Picori Blade is the Master Sword, and it's destroyed in The Minish Cap, then how does it exist in Link to the Past after FSA? And how did it go from being in the Sacred Grove/Lost Woods to being the sealing sword in the Bound Chest?
And something else... Vaati is nothing special. The usual main antagonists in the series and reincarnations of Demise, but Vaati is just a simple Minish who got a hold of the power of sorcery. And this isn't anything big but Ghiriham looks kinda familiar to Vaati in some ways... that could mean something but probably not.
The Zelda WiiU could link the events of the past in SS to OoT while the Zelda 3DS could continue to story of our hero from Skyloft. All just a crazy prediction.
Could SS have split the timeline? If there is another game that could have caused a split besides OoT, it would be SS. Link gains the Triforce, wishes for the death of Demise, and he is killed in his imprisoned form. He then travels to the past to kill Demise for the 2nd time. How can this be explained in 1 timeline? My theory is that timeline created in the past leads up to the events of OoT. We know there are 2 Zelda games on their way, 1 for 3DS and 1 for WiiU.
If they make a more mature game that comes right before minish cap with the same components like the sword that had the monsters trapped inside the chest everyone would accept it. Lol
i know this was mentioned before, but i also can't see how ss zelda is the first icarnation of a goddess named hylia, when you say, there was a zelda before who is linked to every other zelda in the later games. you say: first we have mc royal zelda & suddenly there is a goddess! who turns into a girl named zelda(non royal). this would mean, that the zelda before has absolutly NO relation to SS zelda etc (though you said she is), since i don't believe hylia came after minish caps zelda.
@578t7645uyb5 Many reasons. Some are: 1) The developers say they have a secret timeline hidden, but many believe that to be false. The top developers don't really follow a strict timeline for all the zelda's, they have said multiple times they focus on gameplay then story. There are several occasions where they have said things they took back years later. In fact, they even said one time Wind Waker came before Ocarina of Time. Different developers disagree with each other as well
@NachyoLulz5596 i think you mean, "and here's how I think you are wrong" Unless I have a brain tumor and somehow missed the part where you proved it. :)
@NachyoLulz5596 Sorry if I sounded too aggressive. What I mean is that you said that MC should be put between SS and OoT. But you did not mention why that is. I took the liberty of talking about how it can't be anywhere else but first, but you said it could. So i was wondering why that is.
That's asking an awful lot, I only get 500 letters to type here, I have my own...poorly filmed timeline playlist on my channel, I'd rather you just wait for a new one that will have SS in it I plan to post to here my ideas, but basically, the mainland below skyloft is not referred to as hyrule or at least not the KINGDOM of hyrule. Since MC occurs after the kingdom has been founded, it must occur after SS, at the end of which its hinted that Hyrule will soon come to be
@LordSear Thats what i was thinking... look at the royal crest. no Triforce on the crest in SS. Plus the intro to minish cap shows the master sword not the goddess's sword.
You put AoL at the very end, which Im a bit confused about. The AoL manual tells about why every princess is named Zelda. When did that event take place? SS?
@AwesomeTingle we have no idea. according to the game it could have taken hundreds - thousands of years for that tale before the events of the actual game
"This is kind of a sequel to my Zelda timeline."? Is that a mixed metaphor?
Spitfirefilmz 6 hours ago
'or phantom howerglass'
iEnlightenToAmplifie 9 hours ago
This video was made before the official timeline was released, I don't know why there's still arguments in the comments. The official timeline puts minish cap after skyward sword. Before skyward sword, minish cap was first, but now it comes second in the timeline.
UntrustworthyRainbow 11 hours ago
all of your points are invalid skyward swords link and zelda were the first link and zelda an dont try pull all that geography crap because skyward sword places are named after the light spirits from tp but theres no mention of them in oot also minish cap states a picori came from the sky that could have been the first link people of the mc era could have named ss links people the picori and thus ss would come first
616DevilB 1 day ago
I've watched you video until the very end, yet I STILL think Skyward Sword is first. Look how the sword from MC was supposed to look like the Master Sword at first. How could that sword have existed if Skyward Sword had not been first? And Skyward Sword is like the only game where Zelda is not a princess. She became princess after Skyward Sword.
Of course, this is only my opinion.
GanonAkumaFan 4 days ago
Prior to Skyward Sword, there was the goddess Hylia, then she reincarnated as Zelda and the events in Skyward Sword kicked off, and from then on she created a bloodline that would become the royal family, with daughters being named after the very Zelda that was once Hylia.
So how come there is a Princess Zelda in the Minish Cap? Simple, it comes after Skyward Sword. It could never have come before.
Krukkie 4 days ago
THEN WY DO WE CALL HIM LINK EVERY TIME IF LINK MARIED ZELDA THE NEXT LINK WOULD BE ZELDAS BROTHER NOT FRIENDS
gigi10040 4 days ago
One thing though. I would have to believe that Skyward Sword is first because when you get the Goddess's sword in SS later on it turns into the Master sword. And also as they have a picture of what appears to be the Master Sword in the MC picture it means the Master Sword had already been transformed from being the goddess's Sword. Skyward Sword Link would have to have been the first Link to ever use the Master Sword. Like I said there seemed to be a Master Sword in MC already.
ShadowDueler97 6 days ago 4
I do kind of believe your theory here is more evidence in skyward sword they said there was people on the surface but the evil arose and the goddess sent a chunk of the surface into the sky
Zelbleach 1 week ago
ummmmmm there are moblins in minish cap and moblins are minor images of ganon so demise would have to be destroyed first and gonondorf would have to be born?
TheDrawer4life 1 week ago
Well since Skyward came out, they announced it will become the beginning of everything.
Zelda was never a princess in Skyward sword, but she is in Minish Cap.
I know it's a small reason, but it seems more logical :l
Shitensou 1 week ago 9
were special and got put onto an island in the sky also 2. zelda isnt a princess so theres no royal family yet 3. vatii was just a creation of demise's hatred as was ganondorf
IMDoubleU1 1 week ago
just to point out about your points 1. every knight in skyloft had the same style hat just in a different colour so link was given that hat for that reason 2. zelda never used the light power so she hasnt obtained that yet 3. skyward sword also doesnt have ganon/ganondorf the two main bad guys are ghirahim and demise and demise's hatred is reborn later on and now to make a few points of my own to say skyward sword was first 1. there are no humans on the land below in skyward sword because they
IMDoubleU1 1 week ago
it seems sad that one of the most beloved characters and series of games ever created has no real story at all. the truth of it is that the develepers never cared about the story and had to eventually come up with some multiple timeline scenario in order to try to coverup their lack of foresight and laziness leaving fans to argue about these things. while the games are awesome the writing has always been horrible, as is sadly the case in most games.
entheta8 1 week ago
dude you are so wrong, first of all there is an official timeline, ever heard of hyrule historia? and besides, in SS Hyrule is starting to exist, they didn't even call it Hyrule yet, and in Minish Cap they already call it Hyrule, there is even a Hyrule Castle, and in SS there isn't, who gives a crap about a hat, the hat is not important. So SS is the very beginning and not Minish Cap, and Minish Cap is also created by capcom, so there might be some mistakes in the story
jaspii23 1 week ago
@jaspii23 besides in SS zelda is the called the incarnation of the goddess, yet more important she is pretty much called the first incarnation of the goddess by herself. and it's not like ohh I become a god now (shortly after MC) and become a huan again in SS
YoshiTheGreenOne 6 days ago
they called din nayru and farore the goddesses of old so how come it be second???
minicools 1 week ago
Very nice, and this is a reasonable deduction as well, but I would like to enquire, wouldn't that mean that Hylia was an irresponsible goddess? We know that due to the demon invasion stated in SS, Hylia raised all the remaining humans on a rock into the sky(skyloft). That means Minish Cap could only take place before that. However, we also know that Hylia was given the task of defending the triforce, from Farore, Nayru and Din. That would mean Zelda back then wasn't Hylia, but Hylia exists then
ongyuh 1 week ago
@ongyuh Continuing, then we would know that the light force and the triforce wouldn't be the same thing. Then, if Hylia existed back then, then why would Link be needed, or Zelda for that matter. Link and Zelda were "created" as part of the goddess's plan to save the land, when she reincarnated into Zelda. Just my two cents on the matter though. The logic behind putting each game first really seems mutually exclusive.
ongyuh 1 week ago
@ongyuh On the other hand, things like the hylian shield existed in SkywardSword, so perhaps there is more to this than we thought,
ongyuh 1 week ago
@ongyuh well, I think Hylia created this shield along with the sword and gave it to the dragon, so that he can hand it down to the hero to come. I don't think the Hylian Shield is relevant for this argument.
Silmaril11 1 week ago
Also the developers said that skyward sword is a prequel to Oot not mimish cap that is another valid reason.
Ownedddddd1 1 week ago
Who knows? Maybe someone made a sword, and sent it to a dimension where it needed to be powered up to make actual separate beings instead of faded versions of your self for limited amounts of time. Maybe the four sword is a DEMON SWORD that created demonic copies of yourself by feeding off of your soul, had half it's power sealed away, and was sent into a dimension where the hero of the era didn't have a sexy green hat.
WolfSephiroth 1 week ago
....you all do know that the official timeline was given in the hyrule historia it goes skyward sword, minish cap, four swords, OoT then it splits 3 ways. there's the future he leaves after beating ganon which leads to WW, PH, and ST. the past one when he leaves which leads to Majora's Mask, TP, then four swords adventure. and the 3rd is if he were to fail in Oot and that causes the sealing wars leading to a link to the past then , OoA/S, Link's awakening, zelda 1, and finally 2
TheZeikStorms 2 weeks ago
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@TheZeikStorms the third is not to fail but it is a time where Link didn't exist if that makes sense um Link altered the past which made an alternate future so in the first future there was no Link... :-)
taktikal26 2 weeks ago
Maybe it's placed in the distant future, far from any of the other games?
They've simply forgotten the traditional names, like FI said: oral tradition is the least reliable way to store information.
In Skyward Sword, Zelda IS the godess' direct rebirth, meaning that if she appeared in Minish Cap, then this is OBVIOUSLY NOT THE FIRST GAME.
You don't have solid enough "proof", I am sorry since you've put this much time into it. You have a lot of "fitting" arguments, but SS makes it IMPOSSIBLE.
hagenisse 2 weeks ago
skyward sword obviously came first because when the skyward sword was there, the four sword or the master sword didnt exist. in skyward sword the game, the skyward sword becomes the master sword, so now just the four sword has yet to exist. In minish cap, they say a sword was brought down to them from they sky (skyloft) and they kept the sword, vaati shattered it and it was reforgded into the four sword.
Merh42 2 weeks ago
i respectfully disagree
CiaoSkywalker 2 weeks ago
Ha check out this Link, I see what you did there
RamenNrice 2 weeks ago
the light force are a parte of the triforce
spriterFBF 2 weeks ago
okay, for one you are a tard! Second you are still a tard.. Third The Master sword, existed in Minish cap... but it was FREAKING CREATED IN SKYWARD SWORD!!!!!!! so F you idea about the Fkn hat and realize that hey maybe the hat is for comfort and not for honoring a dumb bird hat.
12345DARKLINK 3 weeks ago
@12345DARKLINK Have you even played Minish Cap. If the Tri-Force isn't Mentioned in Minish Cap and It was Discovered in Skyward that means the Tri-Force isn't discovered in Minish Cap, that means its first or that would just be weird.
You quoted "Second you are still a Tard" Wait so you couldn't think about something else.
BeyBlade1999 3 weeks ago
@BeyBlade1999 , In fact I was stating that you were a "tard" because I actually believe that you needed to hear it a second time due to the fact that you probobly were to stupid to know when you were being insulted. Also wow! You must have a hard time cleaning your mouth with all of the Bulls**t coming out! ;)
12345DARKLINK 1 week ago
In summary, your timeline is flawless apart from the fact that you have not played Skyward Sword properly or at all, therefore you are totally wrong.
Xelphene 3 weeks ago
@Xelphene Think about it, Impa lived on the ground in Skyward sword. WAIT SOMEONE LIVED ON THE GROUND. That could mean that Settlements could of been there before. MINISH CAP.
BeyBlade1999 3 weeks ago
@BeyBlade1999 It says in Skyward Sword that everyone lived on the ground before Demise attacked and Hylia put the humans into the sky. You have not really thought that argument through.
Xelphene 2 weeks ago
@Xelphene In Minish Cap there is no Master Sword? Where did it go? The Master Sword is discovered in Skyward Sword. If the Tri-force is discovered in Skyward Sword then in Minish cap if it isn't Mentioned or saw then it has to still be discovered. Also it says they put the humans in the Sky... wait if their called Humans in Minish Cap then they are called Hryulians in the end of Skyward Sword then that means that Minish Cap is first but Nintendo made a random time-line and didn't give a fuck.
BeyBlade1999 2 weeks ago
@BeyBlade1999 At the end of SS, the humans are not Hyrulians because Hyrule has not yet been established. They have only just returned to the surface world. SS makes it pretty clear that SS's Zelda is the first ever Zelda and that Link is the first ever Link. Demise is the original evil and when he is defeated his leftover essense causes all the future evils to exist. SS also sets in motion the reincarnation of Link and Zelda, so it could not possibly come after another game.
Xelphene 2 weeks ago
@Xelphene Ok just to end this argument, because I don't want a Argument. But here is a question. Why aren't the Minish ever mentioned again...
BeyBlade1999 2 weeks ago
The fact is that Skyward Sword has to be first because of its story. At the start, no-one posesses the Triforce (so it could not follow on from the Minish giving Zelda it). Zelda's light powers stem from her being the Goddess Hylia, which is also the reason she gets reincarnated. Demise takes her soul and absorbs some of it before Link defeats him, meaning that his evil becomes unbreakable so that it can be reincarnated to form ALL the main evils that Link faces in later games.
Xelphene 3 weeks ago
@Xelphene Link is reincarnated from then on because he is the Goddess' chosen hero and he must battle the evil of Demise when it returns in the future. Demise's power is locked in the Master Sword at the end of the game, which could explain any time delay before the first reincarnation of Demise could arise). There is no reason to believe that Ganon must reincarnate into Ganon, rather it is Demise becoming all the enemies Link faces (Malladus, Bellum, Ganon etc.).
Xelphene 3 weeks ago
I just want to say that in ss zelda "is" the goddess hylia (or at least her human form). And maybe that's the reason why she has powers, not just because the triforce symbol on her hand. and why do you always mention ganon. maybe you didn't realize that there is no ganon in ss. it is demise and i think demise is the source of ganons future powers. i think ganon is the embodyment of the curse demise put on link. this may have taken centuries, so there is enough time for the story of minish cap.
GodsMistake1985 3 weeks ago
What about the lanayru desert of skyward sword with those thousand year timeshift stones?
Tralfazz74 3 weeks ago
At the end, Zelda and Link decide to live on the surface, so that means that's when the humans live on the ground. And Hyrule is established.
SerohYoon 3 weeks ago
Skyward Sword shows the origin of the master sword. And this happens when the goddess creates the earth.
SerohYoon 3 weeks ago
When link defeats demise, he puts a curse on him that he and everyone linked to him will have incarnations in which events related to this will happen over and over.
SerohYoon 3 weeks ago
There was no hero before the events of skyward sword. In the prologue of Skyward Sword, It said that Hylia put the remaining humans on the sky and she and the rest of the land dwellers (not humans because she sent them all to the sky) fought the invaders.
SerohYoon 3 weeks ago
Well Zelda never had any power in Skyward Sword
kingicevar 3 weeks ago
im confused link gets younger then older then younger i think minish cap should be with four swords
icefoxtheallstar 4 weeks ago
and from what i learn from ss is that there was no master sword at all b4 that
hope u were done with the game b4 u read this
bonjanglevash 4 weeks ago
im pretty sure that most of the gameboy or handheld type games r just a way for them to make money for the other games
bonjanglevash 4 weeks ago
wow what a nice vid!
dennis19087 1 month ago
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Just to say in skyward sword link didn't always have a hat so skyward sword is first. Also every link is a reincarnation of the hero of man. Another thing is, the offical timeline is not and never will be complete until they stop making new legend of zelda games. Not to mention the charachter demise is the first gannondorf the rest are reincarnations of demise. Finally, the minish cap is second because demise hasn't been reincarnated as ganon. reply if ya want to disscuss my theories.
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jamesinferno28 1 month ago
REally nice explanation.
What do you think of the "oficial timeline?"
AnonimusQualquer 1 month ago
That was really interesting ;) I have never thaught of it like that before
TheTreeforce 1 month ago
theres an interesting theory with the light force triforce thing. since at the end of the minish cap after vaati is defeated they also say something like part of the lightforce was also destroyed and then right after the triforce appears on zelda's hand making it the first appearence in the game. if this is how the triforce came to be then it absolutely HAD to come before SS. just putting that out there
dertrebor123 1 month ago
@dertrebor123 but the master sword was made in SS,and in minish cap its already there,and in SS the triforce was already there since link obtains it to save zelda,SS was first
lexzeyfercronus 4 weeks ago
They posted the official timeline, skyward sword is first, suck it.
Drbarrelroll369 1 month ago
@Drbarrelroll369 He is right
Chaoszidenrules 1 month ago
@Chaoszidenrules Who is he?
Drbarrelroll369 1 month ago
@Drbarrelroll369 you.
Chaoszidenrules 1 month ago
@Chaoszidenrules Okay thanks, I just didn't know who you ment.
Drbarrelroll369 1 month ago
4:49 don't forget Majora's Mask(even though it came after OoT)
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MEGAJASONGUY08 1 month ago
The thing is, the Minish didn't handed down the Triforce - I believe it was confirmed to be a big force gem hence in the intro of the Minish Cap -- seen in this video @ 3:59 above Link -- it's shaped as one big triangle and not 3 triangles.
TheZCMaster 1 month ago
This Cant be right because...
1.There Was No trace of Ganon in SS either, we in fact know FOR SURE he didnt exsist
2.Jus Cus the triforce isnt mentioned doesnt mean it wasnt there...without the triforce no land no human nothin would be created in the first place
3.If this was first, then where does the goddess hylia come in? And Din, Nayru, And Faroroe?
4.Zelda had no light power in SS either
I've seen alot of timelines no sure what to believe but i know i cant believe this one
TheChange032 1 month ago
@TheChange032 I've a point to make about your first point.
*SPOILERS* at the end of Skyward Sword when you defeat Demise, he mentions that an incarnation of his hatred(Ganon) would follow all of Link's descendants and lead them to their doom.
MEGAJASONGUY08 1 month ago
@MEGAJASONGUY08 Yes he mentioned an incarnation would come later on... BUT AT THAT TME OR DURING THE ENTIRE GAME Ganon didnt exsist...another reason to why i feel SS came first
TheChange032 1 month ago
The official time line has come out and also minish cap can't be first because the master sword is destroyed
just saying but you did your research but just sayin
Atomiccupcakes123 1 month ago
Minish cap isn't the first Zelda Because In some other Zelda game (forget which Soz XD) The master sword becomes the four sword because it has ganon sealed inside it correct me if i am wrong
limelungs242 1 month ago
@limelungs242 It is true that it is not the first Zelda, but it is never stated in any Zelda game that the Master Sword becomes the Four Sword. In fact, they are two completely separate and unrelated blades. The Four Sword did not have Ganon sealed within it but rather it contained Vaati. Also, Ganon has never been sealed within the Master Sword, only defeated by it.
RoZoZo 1 month ago
I don't know if you know this but Nintendo released a timeline and it shows that skyward is first and then it is minish cap, by the way saying the reason is link got his hat in minish cap is very false. It is like saying the reason why link in minish cap wears green is because of the hero in ocarina of time.
Halloeverybody1 1 month ago
This timeline seems very TRUE so stop trolling and think about it people there is NO master sword in MC and the sword of man is completely different. It's made in SS the master sword.
Kazoid1337 1 month ago
This makes sence beacuse 1. there is no ganon e.g. no tri force of power 2. and there is no master sword untill SS
Kazoid1337 1 month ago
Minish Cap is first because of the hat? That is the most ridiculous failure of logic in the Zelda fanbase. Also you're entire arguement takes a ancient legend that is likely mistranslated as indesputable fact and purely literal. You're whole concept is utter failure.
herugrim666 1 month ago
Look at 0:32 He has only some of the items which means he is at the begining of the games. but he has the hylian sheild. how is that
10duke83pa 1 month ago
fail
dejay999 1 month ago
long boring and wrong timeline FAIL!
5linkforce 1 month ago
Well, now thanks to the official we know that Skyward Sword came first. I always thought that it was Skyward Sword, a few games that have not been realeased, and then Ocarina of Time.
Bazzarspider123 1 month ago
What I'm about to say is 100% true
SS is first because in MC link has the master sword but in ss the master sword is created so ss has to come first
edleyspsn 1 month ago
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how the hell does the master sword turn into the picori blade im so confused????
if everyone has already hurd of the master sword why would they start calling it picori pluse the master sword was placed in the protection of the hylains at the end of skyword sword just like the tryforce not the minish ??? i have my own therie but could anyone explain
Buddyminish 1 month ago
But in skyward sword none of the other species knew about humans, but in minish cap you get along with them just fine.
vampiremaniac90 1 month ago
Since link goes to the past in skyward sword, could it mean something? I dunno you have a lot of good facts in this video and even though the "official" timeline has been released and it says skyward sword goes first, since link goes to the past in skyward, I dunno could something get fucked up lol.
pokemonsonic321 1 month ago
the minish cap would have to come second because zelda is not a princess and there is no hyrule in skyward sword as well as the master sword of being forged and then used by link in skyward sword as well as the sword being the exact colour as the one in the prologue and explain there not being a land in the sky in mimish cap because link had returned skyloft to the land which creatded hyrule kingdom
LightningFromHeaven 1 month ago
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but what about the story of zelda wasnt she a goddess whos first apperence as zelda was in the legend of zelda skyward sword ?????? how could zelda be in the minish cap if the minish cap came first?
respond if you agree
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Buddyminish 1 month ago
light force and triforce are the same thing.
13megapenguin 1 month ago
but what about the story of zelda wasnt she a goddess whos first apperence as zelda was in the legend of zelda skyward sword ??????
buddyminsih 1 month ago
i agree but disagree because of in skyward sword link makes the white sword long sword master sword than the true master sword so if you think about it minish cap is acually skyward sword because you have to inforged your sword with sacred flames in skyward sword and elements in minish cap so the elements are actually the sacred flames and skyward sword zelda learns her true form and so does link Also this has nothing to do whith this but look at the gorons map in behind the temple its ootmap
spidey1413 1 month ago
Nice video. You have a neat accent.
JackKlompus13 1 month ago
u should make a video about the geography only n how it changed over the course of the games...i cant find anything strictly on that n u seem to kno what ur talking about n have enough knowledge to do it...jus a suggestion =]
Ookami211 1 month ago
One thing says, the Light Force and the Triforce are not the same thing... They are completely different things... it was an official statement.
LonelySlytherin 1 month ago
the official timeline was release by Eiji Aonuma its called Hyrule Historia look it up
vIElectricvI 2 months ago
what if the new zelda game still takes place in the sky like skyward sword and you didnt have a hat then minishcap can be 3 and the new one 2 with skyward sword being first?
thehylianguy 2 months ago
Here are my 3 theories 1. minish cap is a third timeline but they haven't made any games the actually come after it 2.its after spirit tracks 3.its somewhere between skyward sword
GenoJavi 2 months ago
Maybe there's 2 timelines idk if you think about all the games it makes sense am I right or am I right
GenoJavi 2 months ago
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The picori came from the SKY with a sword. MINISH CAP IS WITHIN SKYWARD SWORD
000hitme 2 months ago
The picori came from the SKY with a sword minish cap is within skyward sword
000hitme 2 months ago
what about skyloft?
DrewPicklesOgre 2 months ago
It's been announced sevral times that skyward sword is first, and judging by the release date, you done no research what so ever on skyward sword
canonvgame 2 months ago
I was playing skyward sword again the other day and started new game on hero mode. :P but my point zelda told link that when she gave him the shaw for winning and becoming knight that the godess gave this to the hero...or something like that just to let you no.
Gogetahan 2 months ago
i believe there are only two time lines BECAUSE a link to the past is very close related to twilight princess because of the scenarios that take place in link to the past. (from what i read from zelda.wiki.com)
ParanoiaGentlman 2 months ago
I think there is no real timeline, and Nintendo threw one together to get everyone to stop complaining.
remixV4 2 months ago
The hat argument is just absurd. The link in Spirit Tracks didn't start with a hat, and at some point in each Link's life, he had to find that hat. Just because this game shows him discovering the hat doesn't make it the origin of the hat on every other Link's head.
Scepnex9000 2 months ago 2
Just letting everyone know. I am aware of the official timeline. And i made a video about it. Feel free to check it out in my channel.
MrRhexx 2 months ago
Nintendo sent out a little book called "Hyrule Historia". I think you would like it. It talks about how Minish Cap isn't before Skyward Sword.
DesertTornado 2 months ago
I agree with you. The fact of Demise's curse is in SS, you can't place Minish Cap second because otherwise Link would have to face Ganon somehow (because of the curse), which he does in FS/FSA (same Link), but does not in MC, therefore we can only assume Ganon does not exist in MC. The reason for other games not including Ganon is because his whereabouts are known (i.e. sealed away, etc.).
diomonddragon 2 months ago
@diomonddragon You do realize nintendo just released the official timeline in a book called "Hyrule Historia" showing skyward sword being before minish cap.
aquaguy34 2 months ago
@aquaguy34 I do, I know about the official timeline, but there are many things that I don't like about it. Just because it's there, doesn't mean I have to accept it, especially after Nintendo was so reluctant at first to even release a timeline! I would much rather stick to my more logically stringed fanon.
diomonddragon 2 months ago
so it goes ss oot mm ? tw ? mc 4s ? ww ph st this is the only definite story line so far
LKY7EV 2 months ago
actually 4 swords is a sequel to minish cap. in 4 swords gannon is the real BADDIE and vaati is just one of his minions created by him.if vaati was created by gannon then he couldnt be there in mc without ganon being there. oot was first because thats when gannon was born and where he got the triforce of power. in ww the master sword is actualy the 4s thats why link has to go and get back its power and the light force is the light arrow .zelda got the light arow in tw
LKY7EV 2 months ago
triforce. the triforce has many names, the triumph force, triumphforks, triforce, lightforce, the force etc. ambiguity come from zelda and link hiding the triforce upon request of impa from the past while forming hyrule after SS.
Now if you read any of my comments, you will know that your timeline equates to no more than bull feces.
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
goddess are reincarnated constantly in a never ending cycle. along with the forging of the master sword in SS. it is called the Goddess sword because it was wielded by Hylia and is reforged and tempered into the goddess long sword, the goddess white sword, the master sword then the true master sword. The four sword maybe just another version of the master sword like how there is a tempered sword or a gold sword in ALTTP. the final and third flaw in your so called "flawless" timeline is the
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
and ganondorf/ganon do not exist in SS sword either. vaati and ganon are all reincarnaitons of demise, who is the root of all evil in zelda. ganon, vaati, agahnim etc all have a passed down hatred that is from demise, like wise Zelda possesses powers derived from the SS zelda as Hylia in flesh. Link recieves his courage and valor through the spirit of the hero given to him by the gods of old, the triforce. Ganondorf is not the key. the key is that the hate, spirit of the hero and blood of the
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
at the end of SS there is a scene where impa tells link and zelda to hide the triforce and to keep humanity from reaching it, because it was too great a power for man to handle. that is why the triforce is known by so many names in zelda. the lightforce is just synonymous for triforce. the triforce is on the jewel below the handle of the four sword imbecile. if you have not played skyward sword i am sorry, but you need to get onto our level. Skyward Sword establishes basically EVERYTHING.
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
sword is more important. the master sword is formed in SS and is from the SKY. aesthetically the master sword and picori blade are different because of the art style of the two games. think ww and oot. the you cant call them not the same sword because they dont look the same. the four sword has the ability to perform a sword beam, as do the amster sword and swords of high tier in many zelda games. the four sword could just be very well the golden sword from alttp. now about the light force,
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
hylia is the goddess mentioned in skyward sword, and the original form of zelda. Zelda in skyward sword is Hylia reincarnated, and thus explains any zelda after the founding of hyrule after skyward sword having powers. this also explains how the sprit of the hero is passed on to every link in every game following SS. and when he was asked if it was between mc OR oot the games are not already set in the timeline. you are taking things too literally. plus getting the hat dosent mean shit. the
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
and in skyward sword, demise is a god of hate and evil. Demise: " my hate never perishes it is born in a cycle with no end.... I will rise again those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero they are eternally bound to this curse. an INCARNATION of my hate shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood soaked sea for all time." demise reincarnates himself as hate, which is a refrence to every zelda villain ( ganon, ganondorf, vaati etc etc.)
CheckerBoardAZN 2 months ago
flawless my ass. have you even played Skyward Sword? if you haven't, well tough tits i'm spoiling. in skyward sword there is no "Hyrule". hyrule is known as "The Surface" no npc's say that the land is called Hyrule. There is no kingdom, there is no royal family, Zelda is just another student at the knight academy. it is implied that link and zelda establish hyrule when zelda ask link if he wants to stay on the surface. Minish cap there is a hyrule and a royal family. Get onto our level Dip Sh*t
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3Dolimar 2 months ago
mc comes after ss and before oot
dragonjedi101 2 months ago
Quick question,
If you noticed, at the bottom of the 4 sword it has the triforce pictured on a orb at the bottom of the hilt. can you explain this???
Shakyy007 2 months ago
Also, Light Force VS Triforce
Nintendo Power: "In the prologue to this game, there are some hints that The Minish People brought a golden light into Hyrule. Does this relate to the Triforce legend?"
Hidemaro Fujibayashi: "Golden light is a very, very old legend of Hyrule and nobody knows how it relates to the Triforce legend. It is still a big mystery whether it has some relationship with the Triforce, which is the most important element in the Legend of Zelda series."
HyruleKing12988 2 months ago
"We did not think to develop a trilogy from the beginning. When we developed the first Four Swords game for GBA, we created a new Hyrule legend that said that a long time ago, evil Vaati brought crisis to Hyrule and people sealed that evil. We had some thought that we wanted to carry over that story into future titles some way."
HyruleKing12988 2 months ago
It's also possible that originally, the Minish Cap was going to feature the Master Sword and not the Picori Blade. The developers didn't have a trilogy in mind when making the backstory of the Four Sword. (quote in next comment)
HyruleKing12988 2 months ago
Eiji Aonuma stated in 2010 that prior to the announcement of Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time was the first game in the timeline. Also, the geography is different in every game. You can't really use that as placement for a theory. The hat is not a good argument. The Light Force has NEVER been confirmed to be the Triforce.
HyruleKing12988 2 months ago
oh yeah, another thing to add about the geographic looks. there was a war before the events of ocarina of time took, and maybe they changed the names of the places after that war. it's just what i think, though. good day :)
MrHellYeah78 2 months ago
@MrHellYeah78 That war was the civil war. And yea it is possible, i mean after all everything is possible when we don't have all the information. That wouldn't explain why/how they would forget about the minish though :(
MrRhexx 2 months ago
@MrRhexx yeah but.. i dont get haw the re-re-named it Faron Woods for twilight princess :L
jolocoloco 1 month ago
I think Minish Cap should come second. In the game they introduced this tribe called the 'Wind Tribe' who lived in Fortress of the Wind, but later link found out that the people had left the Fortress and went to live in the sky. (THEORY) i think that these people are sky loft people who went to live in the surface after link and zelda decided to live in the surface at SS, but they were forced to go live in the sky again after Vaati's appearance.. btw, nice vid man, it deserves a like.. :)
MrHellYeah78 2 months ago
rofl at the season games being in 1 part of the time line they are in both and when ganon is formed they merge into 1 again dumbass
SONIC1SONICHEDGEHOG 2 months ago
i agree with all your timeline except this, you say that developers dont care, miyamoto cares i can tell you that thats why he takes time to make all the games good. this comes before four swords adventures
sasukelelouch 2 months ago
The first two Zelda games dont belong in the child timeline because in Zelda two the town names are the names of sages in OOT.
MrJeffreymetal91 2 months ago
@MrJeffreymetal91 Explain your logic.
MrRhexx 2 months ago
@MrRhexx Because the sages play a vital role in OOT and because of there deeds they did they got towns named after them, cant explain any more than that.
MrJeffreymetal91 2 months ago
@MrRhexx he just did.
the characters in OOT arent sages in the child timeline, so why would towns be named after them?
what part of that is difficult to understand?
33LB 1 month ago
@MrJeffreymetal91 then why is one of the towns called mido? wtf did he do? you cant take everything to serious games made years apart tend to change things
ApparitionGuitar 2 months ago
skyward sword definetly comes first, but i would say that wind waker and phantoim hourglass would be the latest in the zelda timeline
rsdoomlord 2 months ago
Hat or no hat, That sword the hero of "men" is holding is the Master Sword. The Master Sword is forged in Skyward Sword. I would place the Minish Cap after TP and befor FSA.
HPRshredder 2 months ago
@HPRshredder Why would you say the hero of men carries the master sword? The master sword has the hilt-end shaped like wings while the sword the hero of men carries has a hilt-end curved like a semi circle, suspiciously similar to the goddess sword.
MrRhexx 2 months ago
@MrRhexx hero of men is prob in the sky era nintendo had this timeline thought out since each game was being made they didnt throw it together your just butthurt cuz you were wrong.
mariotehplumber 2 months ago
@MrRhexx anyway Nintendo has said that Skyward Sword goes firts and minish cap is next to Skyward...you can`t say that your timeline is right...
TheZeldaMusicBlog 2 months ago
@MrRhexx yes it is but its because of how the paned widow art work is made
mylkie 2 months ago
@HPRshredder That sword is the Picori Blade, not the Master Sword. I do like your placement of The Minish Cap, but here's your fatal flaw: If the Picori Blade is the Master Sword, and it's destroyed in The Minish Cap, then how does it exist in Link to the Past after FSA? And how did it go from being in the Sacred Grove/Lost Woods to being the sealing sword in the Bound Chest?
HyruleKing12988 2 months ago
And something else... Vaati is nothing special. The usual main antagonists in the series and reincarnations of Demise, but Vaati is just a simple Minish who got a hold of the power of sorcery. And this isn't anything big but Ghiriham looks kinda familiar to Vaati in some ways... that could mean something but probably not.
BloogaBla 2 months ago
And what if Nintendo said Skyward Sword is the first of THEIR games? They don't care about Capcom's ideas! XD
BloogaBla 2 months ago
The Zelda WiiU could link the events of the past in SS to OoT while the Zelda 3DS could continue to story of our hero from Skyloft. All just a crazy prediction.
BlueMoblin 2 months ago
Could SS have split the timeline? If there is another game that could have caused a split besides OoT, it would be SS. Link gains the Triforce, wishes for the death of Demise, and he is killed in his imprisoned form. He then travels to the past to kill Demise for the 2nd time. How can this be explained in 1 timeline? My theory is that timeline created in the past leads up to the events of OoT. We know there are 2 Zelda games on their way, 1 for 3DS and 1 for WiiU.
BlueMoblin 2 months ago
If they make a more mature game that comes right before minish cap with the same components like the sword that had the monsters trapped inside the chest everyone would accept it. Lol
Truckerjon54 2 months ago
in the picture the four sword had the triforce on it. kinda interesting.
NinjaApe101 2 months ago
i know this was mentioned before, but i also can't see how ss zelda is the first icarnation of a goddess named hylia, when you say, there was a zelda before who is linked to every other zelda in the later games. you say: first we have mc royal zelda & suddenly there is a goddess! who turns into a girl named zelda(non royal). this would mean, that the zelda before has absolutly NO relation to SS zelda etc (though you said she is), since i don't believe hylia came after minish caps zelda.
BeBunnyHoney 2 months ago
2:45 lol Link's magic card xD
kollegahsterin 2 months ago
But how can The Minish Cap be first if Nintendo stated that SS was the first in the timeline?
578t7645uyb5 2 months ago
@578t7645uyb5 Many reasons. Some are: 1) The developers say they have a secret timeline hidden, but many believe that to be false. The top developers don't really follow a strict timeline for all the zelda's, they have said multiple times they focus on gameplay then story. There are several occasions where they have said things they took back years later. In fact, they even said one time Wind Waker came before Ocarina of Time. Different developers disagree with each other as well
MrRhexx 2 months ago
@MrRhexx
And here's how I prove you wrong.
Hyrule never existed before the end of SS.
Minish Cap takes place in Hyrule. I agree that OoT comes after MC, but SS IS first.
NachyoLulz5596 2 months ago
@NachyoLulz5596 i think you mean, "and here's how I think you are wrong" Unless I have a brain tumor and somehow missed the part where you proved it. :)
MrRhexx 2 months ago
@MrRhexx
You may have gotten the wrong vibe. I wasn't trying to insult you if you thought that, but I'm not sure how what I said wasn't proof, care to expand?
NachyoLulz5596 2 months ago
@NachyoLulz5596 Sorry if I sounded too aggressive. What I mean is that you said that MC should be put between SS and OoT. But you did not mention why that is. I took the liberty of talking about how it can't be anywhere else but first, but you said it could. So i was wondering why that is.
MrRhexx 2 months ago
@MrRhexx
That's asking an awful lot, I only get 500 letters to type here, I have my own...poorly filmed timeline playlist on my channel, I'd rather you just wait for a new one that will have SS in it I plan to post to here my ideas, but basically, the mainland below skyloft is not referred to as hyrule or at least not the KINGDOM of hyrule. Since MC occurs after the kingdom has been founded, it must occur after SS, at the end of which its hinted that Hyrule will soon come to be
NachyoLulz5596 2 months ago
also look at the geography. LttP is different to OoT...
pezpok 3 months ago
@LordSear Thats what i was thinking... look at the royal crest. no Triforce on the crest in SS. Plus the intro to minish cap shows the master sword not the goddess's sword.
pezpok 3 months ago
Hmmm. The fact that the royal family exists, before Skyward Sword makes absolutely no sense to me.
LordSear 3 months ago 2
You put AoL at the very end, which Im a bit confused about. The AoL manual tells about why every princess is named Zelda. When did that event take place? SS?
AwesomeTingle 3 months ago
@AwesomeTingle we have no idea. according to the game it could have taken hundreds - thousands of years for that tale before the events of the actual game
MrRhexx 3 months ago