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  • instead on cutting it off, you could heat the bow over a fire, stick it in a ( Y ) shaped tree and twist it, but over compensate atleast 20% because the wood will want to spring back

  • Wanted to thank u also Dave for this series. It really was a huge influence, help, great staring point for my bow making quest when I first watched it. U laid the foundation of my bow making knowledge. I've consently been leaning more about it over the yrs. was just tryin to give a little back erlyer,not saying yr wrong

  • If u determined the top is good, u won't need to take an = amount from both sides. U could leave top longer bringing arrow to center shot of string angle. Some bowyers do this from the start

  • great video Dave

  • The adult man and all in the childhood is played)))

  • can you make a 32 to 40 inch bow with about a 45 to 60 pound pull with  osage and how well will it hold up?

  • are you near a road? i hear cars passing by

  • beautiful bow Dave! You are truly a master! Keep em coming!

  • why do you talk about brand names so much? wtf is a pathfinder knife? does it have a GPS built in?

  • Zaratustra by Nietzsche

    

  • what wood are you using? cheers

  • @ajm8096 its in the title OSAGE

  • @joec123able ok i look stupid now....

  • @ajm8096 lol yea its alright

  • FANTASTIC, I WATCH THE DUAL SURVIVAL SHOWS IN HOLLAND ON DISCOVERY TV, THIS BOW CRAFT IS AWESOME, YOU HAVE GOLDEN HANDS, IF YOU CAN CRAFT THIS

  • Dave, just going through your videos and came upon this one. Whenever I find a curve that is out of whack like this I simply steam the wood and place it in a vice and let it set overnight. It should correct itself and you won't have to cut off the ends in the future. Excellent videos!

  • hey dave, I know that you won't be posting any for videos at this point (I'm posting a little late into the game) but I have a solution that I have used for the problem that you had with this bow.

    I have had one or two bows with the exact same problem with the down turn in the limb, in order to fix it, I just put the limb into a vice so that the wood would then warp back into place, much the same way as you would make a re-curve bow.

    later days brother, and love your show and youtube!

  • if you leave it uneven then it would kinda be like a japanese yumi bow

  • how long are you suposed to let a piece of wood dry before making a bow??

  • @Monsterhuntertri1 That's a loaded question. It depends what time of year you cut the tree down, if you rough it out before drying, humidty and temperature. If you cut the tree down in winter and rough it out it shouldn't take any longer than 60 days in a warm dry place.

  • @PrimitiveByNature thanks brother

    

  • dude i have the exact same jaket! love yur videos mAN

  • how did you get 17 minute long videos when the maximum is 10? awsome bows

  • the good thing about osage is it never rots either but i can seem to stop my staves from cracking does anybody know how to stop it

  • can you put video responses?

  • why cut the twist off? isnt that called "propeller twist" and dont a lot of bow staves have that?

  • my friend and i saw the movie avatar and he was speculating that (during apart of the movie) the na vi, for any who saw the movie. shot arrows through the cockpits of the RDA aircraft when coming down riding these dragon things. so my point is (these na vi[alien species] are about 10ft tall. i guess my point is for any experts out there, could a stong arrow shot from a large bow and with super human strength behind it and downward momentum penatrate bulletprouf glass at point blank range

  • in that movie only the ship the commander was in was bullet proff glass i no this coz jakescully shot threw a dif guys window w/ a MG

  • @random268 Bulletproof glass doesnt stop .50 cal rounds, and while I did not see the movie I'm guessing the MG was a .50 cal or some kinda of space age equivalent or superior round. As I said I did not see the movie so this is a guess.

  • that is a (vary vary good question!) ,there are a lot of factors that would have to be put in to concideration. i am a target artcher so i have a fare understanding of what has to be put in to concideration. 1 what boe is being used, 2 what is the draw length, 3 what is the draw weight, 4 what is the arow weight, what is the shape of the tip, 5 what is the arow speed at impact, 6 what is the the materal that is being shot at. end of part one

  • (Part two) now there are meny materals that could be used as a cockpit wind shealed 1 is acrillick, 2 plexy glass, 3 bulletprouf glass.

    now for argument sake lets say it is #3.

    #3 is composed of meny sub layers and two main layers. the first main layer is composed of meny layers of glass and high strength plastic, the seckond layer is just plastis....... when a bullet hits the plate it hits the plastic and glass layer (end of part two)

  • (part 3) when the bullet hits it is stoped because glass dosent compress and the plastic holds it togethor and as a result the energy is spreed out and the back layor exorbes the impact energy..... now if you have a compowned bow that is the one with the cames at eatch end and you have a draw weight of 40 pownds you will most likly have a exiting speed of 250 feet/ps witch will shoot threw a 50 gall drum (ive seen it befor) (end of part 3)

  • (part 4)

    now a arow has to falow thsame rools a bullet, a arow travles at a speed that is faster then its termanel velosity whitch means that it will begin to slow down as soon as it is off the bow even when you are shooting down. sow shooting down whont help. (end part 4)

  • (part 5)

    #1 the "na vi" are using recerve bows witch have a lower speed yeald to draw weaight. so that gows aginst them if the bow materals mear those on earth #2 the arows as far as ive ben toled the arows are made of wood witch makes the over all weaight of the arow more but reduces arow speed, but the totle impact energy is the same but the behavior of the impacts may difer....i use carbon fiber arow shafts whitch are standered in target artchery

    (end part 5)

  • long story short no even thow the conetic energy would be emence it would not be neer enuth

  • if you are living in a world where there are 10 feet tall humanoid aliens with super human strength then you are probably living in a world where arrows can pierce bullet proof glass.

  • What string should i use?

    I know the native americans used sinew, but... u know... i do not have that,hehe

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  • If you don't buy your stave off line, how would you recommend getting one? What makes a timber good for a bow and what makes one bad for it?

  • yew is a good wood osage orange just google bow woods and your area..

  • Dave... you out done yourself on this project.. EXCELENT JOB.. thanks we're gonna miss you.....

  • What a beautiful bow... I can't wait to see it when its done...

  • Good job Dave really enjoying this project.

  • such a great bow material

    how long does it last for once maid,

    I hope it has along life.

    thanks

  • umm if properly taken care of then years and years. the native american bows made frome it which have not been properly taken care are at least 100 years old.

  • AWESOME!

  • Hey Dave!

    What's up with the porn queen (madison).

    Looks like you're getting some groupies!

  • hehe nice gunshots in the background in thestart

  • Btw never draw a bow harder then the final weight should be, it will take set and loose cast.

  • At that last shot the top limb flexed a lot less than the bottom one. Also I thought I saw the ends not bend at all. Watch your own footage Dave, you can really see how the limbs bend. Great series, super!

  • These are some incredible skills that very few people in the world process. Thank you for sharing and passing down these skills to us.

    Really cool!

  • That is looking really sick dude.

  • That Osage wood is friggin incredible... Wish I could get my hands on a stave blank :(

  • You can order them from osageorange[.]com, or even ebay! Just google osage orange to find places to buy them. You'd be surprised how easy they are to get online.

  • Thank you Dave and Family!

  • Thanks Dave for taking so much of your time to show us this bow making process. I have learnt so much.

    Best Wishes to you and your family . Have a great Christmas from Steve E (U.k)

  • imagine the shit fit you would throw if u accidentally split it while you were chipping away

    hahah.

    plz dont

  • amen to that when he was tillering it there i thought to myself if i'd made a bow that id be shittin meself by now

  • Man I wish osage orange was growing in northern Sweden!

  • @T3hJones : Yeah indeed, would love to have some here in norrland ;) looks like some real good wood!

  • @T3hJones

    Would like that growing in Skåne as well! ;)

  • This is going to be a great bow! I don't know how hard the osage is, but i'd back the bow at least with fiberglass, because a reflex "self" bow like this may break after some shooting, especially when it dries more. Some epoxy and fiberglass can save your 50 hours labour.... I can't wait for the summer to make a couple of bows :) it's a pity i don't have a good hardwood and have to work with fir branches.

  • One of the most fun and interesting series yet! Thanks Dave!

  • Superb stuff

  • i used a saws all blade held in my vise grips to cut the end off a red cedar stave. it worked better than my bow saw because of the thicker blade. such a great idea and keep the videos coming as long as possible my brother

  • Fun. Thoroughly enjoying this series.

  • Its obvious this bow is turning out exceptional!

  • Dave personally, i have have had the same things happen to me, and actually you can work around that, but you have to be precise on that limb, work just a small bit at a time. Your bow may not come out even belly wise but the limb will actually fix itself with the small amount of twist. Just its gonna want to come back the other way because you have weakened that side of the belly, but because your working osage it will not break.

  • awsome dave. on that last full draw your top limb just needs a hair shaved off and that baby's gonna be bendin pretty darn even. keep em comin

  • two fair sized forked limbs straped or nailed to a tree trunk might make for a good impravized tillering tree in the bush. Just thought I'd throw the idea out there, not sure how good it is as I haven't tried it.

  • You can also just use 2 paralell sticks like the bow vise, higher in the tree and lay the handle across that, but I have tillered alot of bows by feel and eye, so I just didnt mess with it. Good suggestion!

  • Thanks A few of those grow around me. Im going to have to write that list down.

  • great job! 5*

  • Hornbeam (iron wood) is also a very good bow wood, and is very common in the eastern woodlands.

  • I agree Hop Hornbeam id a very good wood, forgot that one on the list thanks man!

  • Man thats lookin sweet. Now I got to figure out where in the heck I can find a piece of osage. What other hard woods would work for a bow like that? Or would a softer wood also work?

  • Here's my List

    Pacific Yew-North West (Best)

    Osage-East Central and South

    Hickory

    Black Locust

    Black Walnut

    Mulberry

    Oak

    Ash (Least Desirable)

  • @wildernessoutfitters cool thanks. I tried to find a list like this on the net but it means more coming from you.

  • The welsh boyers said Elm was the best and some woulsd say ash was extreamly good and these were the 80# plus bows personaly I would put elm at 3 rd but thats just my worthless 2 cents worth. good series though

  • Most Elm bows I have seen were backed with something, but Elm is a fast wood. Ash is only good in my opinion for heavy bows, you cannot make them thin because the wood is not hard enough.

  • hey sorry while re-reading my post kinda sounds like I was discrediting you, but that was not my intent at all just simply thinking from what I have read and what little experience I have that of the list there shouldn't be a least desirable wood because 40# is good enough to make a nice ash or other wood bow and will easily take a deer . Great series though!

  • You are correct, Ash does have a tendancy to take a set very badly though and because it is a softer hardwood, that would be my personal last choice. Thank You

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  • ★★★★★ luving the series

  • awesome

  • looks really good dave. That color is just beautiful on there

  • As it ages it will turn a Dark Rust Orange just like the back is now.

  • Excellent series Dave!! I've got to tell you.. that bow is looking goooood!

  • Awesome bow Dave you better eat your Wheaties on that one

  • great job dave...now what kind of arrows will you shoot in such a powerful bow??

  • I have some 65-70's spines at the house made of Sitka Spruce, I am going to shoot for a 70# Bow on this I think.

  • Hey Dave,

    a question i would have which you did not adress:

    A recurve/reflex bow would allow for a faster/heavier arrow, is it just that much harder to make or is a kind of longbow form the way to go?

    I mean the hunns realy conquered large parts of the world with their horses and composite reflex bows.

    I am no expert what so ever, i am not making or shooting bows. I just like the look of a Hunn bow a lot and the reflex system makes sens from a physics standpoint.

    AWSOME VIDS.

    LOVING IT ©M©

  • You can steam reflex into a Flat bow, especially if you back the bow with Bamboo-This stave having natuasl reflex in both limbs will give it a very fast and powerful cast.

  • I love watching this bow come to life.

    But....

    What was the camera doing when you were carving out the grooves for the string? It was really giving me motion sickness, i kept having to look away from the screen to stop feeling sick.

  • I dont know whats up with that I think it's an optical illusion or something, I was not moving the camera it;s on a Tripod.

  • Thxs for the quick reply. I think its one of thoses new motion sensors with-in the camera program. Ive seen it on other videos. Definatly something im gonna look out for when I get a new camera...want to make sure im able to turn it off.

  • Really diggin' this vid. Thanks for all the work you're putting into this bow.

  • Looking good! Can't wait to see it finished.

  • That is incredible how strong that bow is. with such thin limbs.

  • Will this bow turn orange again after a while in the areas you have shaved? I really like the orange color.

  • Sorry to butt in and answer this question for him. Yes, it will turn a deeper orange, which is caused by UV rays from the sun. so eventually the wood can turn to like a purple color if its exposed long enough.

  • Thats going to be one sweet bow, with a lot of character Dave. This is a great series. keep them coming dude i can't get enough

  • i dont know if its just me, but, when i see the limbs of a bow bend i get this feeling of "rightness" , as though thats what was meant to be... bows, i love 'em

  • dave you are a youtube hero and its sad that ur going but u r one of a kind and the other guys on ur chanel are ok but you r on a new level & knowbody can replace the hole you will leave in the youtube comunity

  • well said, it's not the same without Dave.

  • Wow brother thats looking pretty sweet! Does having to cut it down a bit add to the draw weight?

  • Draw weight is always dependent on Tiller, but on a finished bow if you cut it down it would add to the draw weight. Hope that ansewrs your question.

  • i am really enjoying this series. Dave i know you wont be making videos much longer and i just want you to know your videos are on a complete different level than others on youtube. if you ever need ANYTHING i, and im sure others here would do anything to help you. i dont care if you were 1000 miles away out of gas i would come. just thanks for everything man, cant tell you how much i appreciate it

  • Wow. That is a beautiful bow!

  • your getting some work out on that bow dave, its really came together,nd looking good, id like to thank u for taking the time and going through all these steps, wich half us wld probably never heard of otherwise,respect tintin

  • This bow is going to be great when it's done. Really good work Dave.

  • it seems to me like the camera is following Daves hands... you got some tracking feature on that thing or what?

  • great vid dave, the bow looks great its making me want to go out and try this for myself.

  • maybe you should try 80-90lb draw weights? that's what they used to use in medieval times, I'm sure any game going up against that wouldn't have a chance and the size of the bow allows even better bush hunting, I love to see how effective that bow would be on moose, I've seen them take arrows and keep going, but with more draw weight and a bigger broadhead, might work better.

  • Problem with bows that heavy is the Hold to wait for a shot in a hunting situation it will cause inaccuracy, in Medieval times those bows were used to shoot arrows immediatley in an arc at Armies, not spot targets.

  • More than likely it's just me. But when looking at that bow from the side...it looked like it was shaped like an "S." I thought both limbs where suppose be symmetrical.

  • You need to do more research and look at more Primitive self bows, Trees are very seldom Symetrical

  • I haven't done any research, I was just curious. I was thinking that maybe it put more strength in one limb compared to another. But, if its a moot point, a lesson learned. I've enjoyed the video series!

  • Osage especially is notorious for being Knotty and wavey, But it is very very stron wood, Symetrical bows are still possible but you would have to buy a stave or go through 20 cut staves to get a perfect one.

  • Would it have been possible to steam the twist out of the end of the arm?

  • It is Possible, but the Shorter bow will work out better for the bush anyway.

  • Can any tree be used for a bow?

  • Thanks Dave, Looking good.

  • great video !! I realy like how you show problems and the corrections most of all. we learn from mistakes how to select the best stock to start with..this bow is too strong for me but has taught me to select a better ,smaller stave to suit my own limits...tools must fit the user or problems arise..Look out deer and bore !! 5/5 ++ !!

  • Coming along very nicely Dave.

  • Awesome series Dave. It's really exiting to see this one coming together. You can tell this is going to be one serious hunting bow!! Thanks for all the hard work!

  • Looking Good Dave. :)

  • That bow is going to drive an arrow through a mack truck...lol Thats going to be a sweet looking piece that you will pride over for years Brother.

  • dave, i've made a hazel bow following john rambo 1111 and your instruction's.I have aquestion. why was it so important to loose the downturn in the bow limb by cutting it off?

  • It's kinda hard to explain in words but it makes the bow try to twist in your hand as you draw because it pulls to one side.

  • I had the same question, but you just explained it great Dave

  • This shows the benefit of camp based patient work,a superb bow should result from all this and boy it's great to see the stages and techniques,thanks Dave!The bows I make are 70" quarterstaff thick hazel sticks,green,armbreakingly strong but only for about three weeks,then even with oiling they explode..okay for the first few hunts at best but once back in camp it is this seriously well crafted weapon that will last and weigh 1/3rd as much!Not to mention the pride in use when done,I'm converted!

  • what about dried hazel? I bet you'd have a nice bow then?

  • looking good dave

  • dave what is some of the best wood i can make a bow out of

  • Eastern Woodlands I would say Osage, Oak, Mulberry, Black Locust, Ash in that order.

  • Could you do a video on tree identification, or at least point me in the right direction? (I know you're to-do list is huge, so don't bother if this would be too much)

  • I can't wait to see the finished product, when you are done you should go hunting with it.

  • thanks dave your the best

  • Sweet can't wait till part 4.

  • This set of videos has been really nice to watch I learn a lot watching you handle some of the challanges as you are making the bow . The bow making videos and the flint napping ones are great to learn from and really give me a new respect for the early people that did this with primitive tools . great vid Dave 5/5

  • cant some "forming" compensate for the turning? (w/ accompanying chiseling of the other end to allow equal til?

  • Dave, that bow is really starting to come together nicely. You probably noticed upon review of the footage (but I'll mention it anyway, just in case) that at the end of the video, when you pulled the bow back, the lower limb is still bending more than the upper.

    How close to even to they need to be, and what will happen if they aren't?

  • I will work on that tomarrow, the fact that one limb reflexes in a different spot than the other may effect perfect tiller we will see, a slight difference is really no big deal.

  • Why am I reminded of Odysseus?

  • likewise :)

  • nice

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