The Obama administration has cited the state-secrets argument in at least three cases since taking office - in defense of Bush-era warrantless wiretapping, surveillance of an Islamic charity, and the torture and rendition of CIA prisoners.
LOL remember when you thought Bush made abortion and gay marrige illegal?
AHAHHAHAH that was hillarious.
Remember when you thought Obamas assassination policy was invented by Bush?
LOL I've never won an argument on the internet as bad as I just did right now. You just TOTALLY OWNED yourself.
Seriously, the best thing you can do to help democrats get elected is to stop trying to argue on their behalf. You are giving democrats a bad name. Most of them know history!
@FartyFace You haven't won shit you dumb mother fucker. It's the R's that are trying to outlaw abortion. Are they not? It's the R's that want to define marriage. Are they not? I didn't say it was Bush I said it was the R's that want to. And they are. That's a FACT. Nice way of trying to twist it, nice try anyway. The Patriot Act another Bush program. He also spied on American citizens illegally, authorized torture, lied us into a war. Do you know anything?
Still waiting for a source that says Bush made abortion and gay marriage illegal. If you cant prove that they are both illegal then I WIN THE ARGUMENT AND YOU A PROVEN A FOOL
Obama has been a HUGE supporter of the Patriot Act. He hasn't overtuned any of it. In fact he has defended it and expanded upon it.
Why do you support the Bush/Obama patriot act? Why are you in favor of warrentlss wiretaps and torture? I dont get it. I am against both these things.
@FartyFace Hey, idiot. I already told you had you twisted what I said. I even showed you the dialogue between us, so for you to say I ever said Bush made abortion and gay marriage illegal is just a goddamn lie. I said the R's want to, and they do. Can you deny that?
I am against warrentless wiretaps and torture so I voted for Obama. I'm taking you didn't vote for Obama, so you are the one for those things not me. McCain and the Rs love torture and illegal activity. You voted for it.
@FartyFace it's not Obama changing the laws so we all have to live under Christian Law
"Changing the law so we have to live under Christian law"? WTF does that mean? I DARE you to name one example. Just ONE.
Outlawing abortion, changing the Constitution telling people who can marry and who can't. There's 2 examples, cocksucker. I DARE you tell me that's not Christian Law.
Do you not understand English? Did I say anything about Bush? Plus, I said they want to, not that they did.
Still fucking lol'ing at how you thought it was Bush who claimed the power to assassinate American citizens without due process. I assume by now you have googled it and found that even liberal obama fans like Keith Olberman are pissed about Obama's assassination policy. The funny part is how you AUTOMATICALLY assumed it was a lie just because Obama was involved. Why did you do this? Man the democrats sure played you for a fool. I bet you feel really stupid right now
@FartyFace I state facts. You state lies and opinions. You are out of your league kid. Go educate yourself, because you might be laughing, but you're still wrong. I gave you a source. What have you given me as proof???????? Oh yeah, you didn't. You can't. No wonder you vote R, you are a goddamn fool. PWNED, with sources, not arrogant ignorance. Your parents should have aborted you.
If I link you an article in the NY Times, or from the ACLU will just call it "right wing propaganda"?. Google "obama assassination policy" or "Anwar al-Awlaki" you dumb fuck.
Face it, so far, Obama is WORSE than Bush. He took all of Bush's worst polices and expanded upon them. From wars, to deficit, to civil liberties. This is worse than Bush's 3rd term.
PS, I've never voted R in my life and when you are old enough to vote I hope you never vote R either.
@FartyFace Who did you vote for then? I know my shit, don't tell me what to do. You are the ignorant motherfucker in this fight. Let's see the source. Obama just continued the policy. it's a fact. You can deny it all you want. it's still a fucking fact. Try to disprove it. I DARE you bitch.
@heynow123ism If your a howard fan thats fine. But Mr Stern is a proven hypocrite.
He complained that the FCC was trying to take away his free speech. At the same time he slapped a gag order on Opie and anthony cause there show was better.
You can agree with howard all you want but when you tell me to educate myself. Pick someone who does'nt fit the definion of hypocrisy.
@nero7926 Free speach is with the relation between government and people, this is fondamental. Shutting some faggets mouth, that's power. The governement won't shut me up,that's the principle of having a state of law, but I can shut up people below me in private relation for sure. Howard Stern does not represente the state and is interacting in a private environment. Too bad that Opie and Anthony are to meaningless to be protected by there employeer...
@darealdjnutz Your a prime exsample of a nincompoop. Your so incapable of making a logical point. But keep telling yourself that your a smart intellectual. There are a million idiots like you on youtube. Have fun in candyland sucker. I laugh at your common sense.
@darealdjnutz If you want to swim in the big water with the grown ups then you have to answer the content of my previous comment. Instead you regurgitate excuses of the desperate. I don't need to name call you. I don't even have to really debate you. Your wilful blindness and ignorance are clear. Try and break down my prevoius comment like an intellectual. Or throw a Sissy fit like a liberal. Nobody respects your intelligence. I feel sorry for you. The man sets up a teleprompter for lil kids
@darealdjnutz You just can't cope with the fact that Obama's a complete incompetent. He never has run anything or even had a real job. If you look at states like california, illinois and massachusetts they have all had total Democrat/liberal/progressive control for decades. Are also the most corrupt and most fiscally irresponsible. Your defending a fool and sound like a your being willfully blind. Those states also think there the smartest peaple in the USA. Bush got more class to. don't hate
@nero7926 Let's see the Republicans lead us to a financial collapse then refused to help so stupid mother fuckers like you would vote them back into power. get ready for more unpaid for wars, more unpaid for tax cuts, more deregulation. And another collapse. Congrats, you're a fucking moron.
8:14 "I recently had to use some of the City services" - aw, poor Howard, having to actually live like every other New Yorker, wah! Maybe he should go back to LI like all the other suburban tools
I agree, the Bush policy of corporate bailouts, stimulus, deficits and the printing of money destroyed the economy.
The Obama policy of MASSIVE corporate bailouts, MASSIVE stimulus, MASSIVE deficits and the MASSIVE printing of money will eventually save the economy. How could it fail?
@FartyFace TARP was Bush, Obama saved GM and we the people made $20 billion. The stimulus saved jobs, and saved us from another depression. If the people aren't spending money, and if private business isn't spending money, the government HAS to. Or it would have lead to a lost decade eg. Japan. What was Bush (1 and 2 aka dumb and dumber) and Reagan's excuse for their spending? Much worse than any Dem. Look it up for yourself, fuckface.
I agree with you 100%. I cant pay off my mortgage right now. My family barely has enough food to eat. But guess what? I just got a credit card application in the mail! I figure if I take out a $100,000 loan and buy a new car and some TV's and shit I will spend my way out of poverty. Its a full proof plan. Ask any Dem. Look it up for yourself fuckface.
Oh you mean the same exact wars Obama "changed" by sending in more troops!!!
I think we both agree though that the best change Obama gave us was the change to civil liberties. Under Bush we got unconstitutional warrantless wiretaps. Obama changed that completely. Now we have unconstitutional warrentless ASSASSINATION orders against American citizens. Its a HUGE change from Bush thats for sure.
@FartyFace Hey dumbass, those were Bush policies, but yes it pisses me off they haven't changed. Obama also pissed me off when he passed Bob Dole's health care plan and called that change. The hypocrisy pisses me off, but the Republicans are kings of that. They talk about deficit, but don't want to pay for giving the wealthiest people in this country, the only ones NOT struggling, another $700 billion bailout. The Republicans are shills for them, the Dems aren't much better. But are better.
@FartyFace Show me that fact from an unbiased source that supports your lie. It's laughable, and you will not be able to. Plus Obama HAD to spend to keep us from a Bush/Cheney Depression. It's simple economics if the people and business aren't spending the government must. If they don't look at Japan's Lost Decade. I always wondered who would vote for Republicans, now I know. Stupid, uninformed, uneducated, ignorant people that watch Fox News. Like you.
@darealdjnutz How does going into debt for trillions of dollars prevent a depression? Have you ever taken an economics class? Even an entry level one? You sound like you're just repeating things you've heard other people say. Who are the unbiased experts my angry friend?
@MrGrevy Who are your sources? Oh I was right wasn't I? The Murdoch/Saudi Billionaire Faux News. Go educate yourself on the Japan's Lost Decade. If the people aren't spending, and if business is not spending, then the government MUST. Or we could have our own lost decade. Why is you don't mind spending on wars, unpaid for, and tax cuts for the wealthiest people, again unpaid. Go educate yourself, I'm not going to wast my time on a stupid fuck like you.
@darealdjnutz *sigh* Looks like you lose by default. You can't back up your claims, you can only scream and shout. Lovely. How do economies based on fiat currency end up?
@MrGrevy LOL, seriously? I was mocking your comment. That's basically what you said. Now I know why you vote the way you do. You are a fucking dumbass. LOL. Really????
@FartyFace No he fucking didn't you idiot. The bailouts were made by the Bush administration. The last thing he did. AND they were universally supported too by John Boehner and Harry Reid. Get you facts straight.
Wait, did you just say Obama DIDN"T bail out the banks?
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH
LOL thats a good joke. But seriously though, could you imagine if there really were liberals out there who have convinced themselves that Obama had nothing to do with the bailouts and that Bush did it all? It's a scary thought to think that people like that might exist and be voting in our elections.
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It was a component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis.
@FartyFace You're absolutely right. The problem with Obama - so far from being that he's a "socialist" or any of the other epithets retard Teabaggers throw at him - is that he governs too much like a Republican. So what are ya gonna do - vote for Newt Gingrich? The Dems are too far right and too spineless to stand up to the GOP, but the GOP meanwhile is now exclusively populated with vicious, crazy, extremist imbeciles.
@ScinLaeca358 Or you know you could just vote for the anti-war, pro-liberty candidate. The one who is in second place in the polls. Its the only moral choice in this election. If you vote for Obama again you are voting for Bush's 4th term. End of story.
Google the following words: "bailouts, General Motors, Fannie Freddy" Wikipedia might be a good place to start if you want to learn about recent US history. What country do you live in? I would have though just about everyone on Earth had heard about our financial crisis over here. FoxNews only really talks about current events from what I've heard. Its not a good Station to watch if you are looking for historical facts that took place two years ago.
@FartyFace Google, go fuck yourself. Bush was the President that gave the money to the banks, The R's were the ones that changed the rules so they could rob us blind to start with, Obama saved jobs and a car company and actually made us money. LOL, you are delusional and stupid if you think Fox is fair and balanced. I'm finsihed with you, you are too goddamn dumb for your own good.
LoL THANK GOD you are not a US Citizen. NO ONE in the USA is dumb enough to think Bush is secretly controlling Obamas Corporate Bailouts 2 years after he was removed from office. Even the stupidest right wing fox news watching idiot doesnt believe something that retarded. You are WORSE than a fox news fan.
Seriously man? You seriously think Obama is acting on Bush's behalf? Bush is secretly controlling Obamas actions?
@FartyFace OmG, you are actually trying to say Bush wasn't the President when the banks were bailed out? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You are a fucking moron. Are you really that fucking dumb? You should have been aborted.
@FartyFace OmG, you are actually trying to say Bush wasn't the President when the banks were bailed out? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You are a fucking moron. Are you really that fucking dumb? You should have been aborted. You are waste of sperm and my time, now fuck off and die.
No you are right, Bush started TARP. Obama oversaw the administration of TARP and expanded upon it and made it worse by bailing out more corporate fat cats at the expense of poor and middle class Americans. OBAMA is quite literally Bush's 3rd term. They have the EXACT same economic policy: bailout corporations, borrow money, inflate the currency at the expense of the poor.
STOP WATCHING FOXNEWS/MSNBC!!! You have been BRAINWASHED by the corporate elite. I really pity you.
@FartyFace It's not Obama cutting all the programs that help the poor, it's not Obama not financing Planned Parenthood for political reason, it's not Obama trying to bust the unions, it's not Obama changing the laws so we all have to live under Christian Law. Obama didn't want to give the rich tax cuts. Obama wanted to end the tax loopholes for corporations and end subsidies for oil, but did you notice how many Rs voted for that? Obama is not perfect, but he is better than any R. Any.
It wasn't Bush that claimed for the Executive branch the power to assassinate American citizens without due process. It wasn't Bush that let insurance companies write a "healthcare" bill that forces citizens to purchase goods from a private company. It wasn't Bush that expanded the war in Afghanistan.
"Changing the law so we have to live under Christian law"? WTF does that mean? I DARE you to name one example. Just ONE.
@FartyFace It WAS Bush who ordered the illegal arrests and torture of innocent civilians. It WAS Bush who appointed former insurance company execs to key positions in his administration. It WAS Bush who made up a a story about WMD's so that he could invade Iraq, a country, by the way, that never attacked us.
I agree, not defending Bush at all. Just want to point out that:
it WAS Obama who refused to overturn anything in the patriot act and has refused to let lawyers sue the government over it, let anyone out of Gitmo or change the policy that sent them there in the first place. It WAS Obama who let insurance company's write his health care bill for him. It WAS Obama who has kept the war in Iraq going by replacing soldiers with mercenaries and expanded the war in Afghanistan.
@FartyFace Wrong, assassinate American citizens without due process is a Bush-cheney policy. You really don't know shit, do you?
Obama care is Romney care.
Outlawing abortion, changing the Constitution telling people who can marry and who can't. There's 2 examples, cocksucker. I DARE you tell me that's not Christian Law.
Only one thing is worse than a Republican, stupid mother fuckers that are manipulated to vote for them and against their own interest.
I f you would like to learn some American history I would suggest you start with something called "the patriot act" You can read about it on wikipedia. No where in it does it mention assassination. That is something president Obama added after he embraced the patriot act and made it his own.
Abortion is still legal in the United States. Bush didn't touch abortion laws. Gay marriage is a state issue as well, bush never touched it. LOL you really dont know shit do you?
the Obama administration has renewed a Bush-era policy granting US forces authority to kill US citizens abroad if they’re linked to terrorist actions against the US or "US interests."
LOL at democracy now as a credible news source. Thats WORSE than Fox News.
ahahahahahha This is the EASIEST debate i've ever seen in my life. This is a troll right? You are secretly on my side and just mocking liberals right?
You and Rush Limbaugh should hook up. You guys would do WONDERS for getting republicans elected. Ever work for a Republican candidate? Your posts here are INVALUABLE for getting Republicans elected. You should charge them money for this shit.
@FartyFace You don;t have any facts or sources just your opinion and nonsense. Now fuck off until you come back with some FACTs and sources. Go to bed you little stupid kid, it's past your bedtime.
What does it matter if he isnt dead yet? He still has a assassination order out on him courtesy of President Obama. He is still an American Citizen. He has still never been put on trial in a court of law.
Obama gave the executive branch the power to assassinate american citizens without any court of trial. This a NEW power that he claimed for himself that Bush never claimed to have. Every new president from now to forever will also have this same power.
@MrGrevy You must watch Fox News. Most unbiased experts think the stimulus worked. It saved us from a depression, saved jobs. The only problem and waste was it wasn't big enough, and the compromise with the Republicans for tax cuts was a total waste. Trickle down doesn't work, despite years of evidence the Rep still insists it does. Why? On yeah, their base gets richer. You poor stupid SOB.
@darealdjnutz What sources/experts are saying these things? Just because you spout off a bunch of nonsense doesn't make you right. If you think the government creates jobs you are a severely, dangerously uninformed person.
@darealdjnutz Do you really understand so little about the economic system or do you always just recycle what you hear? Explain to me the relation between what is going on now and what has happened throughout or current economical model. What is variation and how does it relate to what is currently happening? What kind of model are we currently using? What a fucked up system is correct. The fact someone so poorly educated on the topic comments is well fucked up.
@iown813 State yours sources dumbfuck, oh yeah you can't. You're the joke, you are not a millionaire so you are just a fucking fool voting Rs. Vote, your job overseas. Vote away all your rights so you can live under Christian Law. This country is going down the toilet thanks to morons like you voting against your own interests. You would amuse me, if you were so fucking stupid.
Howie should call his group bookockie party !
MrMaxret 4 months ago
The Obama administration has cited the state-secrets argument in at least three cases since taking office - in defense of Bush-era warrantless wiretapping, surveillance of an Islamic charity, and the torture and rendition of CIA prisoners.
FartyFace 9 months ago
DONALD TRUMP 2012
CarbonBlonde 10 months ago
@CarbonBlonde Hows that working out for ya???
TheRevolutionCanada 9 months ago
@TheRevolutionCanada ha ha so badly. i think obama is geniunely a really smart guy after his interview with andrew marr.
CarbonBlonde 9 months ago
@darealdjnutz
LOL remember when you thought Bush made abortion and gay marrige illegal?
AHAHHAHAH that was hillarious.
Remember when you thought Obamas assassination policy was invented by Bush?
LOL I've never won an argument on the internet as bad as I just did right now. You just TOTALLY OWNED yourself.
Seriously, the best thing you can do to help democrats get elected is to stop trying to argue on their behalf. You are giving democrats a bad name. Most of them know history!
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace You haven't won shit you dumb mother fucker. It's the R's that are trying to outlaw abortion. Are they not? It's the R's that want to define marriage. Are they not? I didn't say it was Bush I said it was the R's that want to. And they are. That's a FACT. Nice way of trying to twist it, nice try anyway. The Patriot Act another Bush program. He also spied on American citizens illegally, authorized torture, lied us into a war. Do you know anything?
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
Still waiting for a source that says Bush made abortion and gay marriage illegal. If you cant prove that they are both illegal then I WIN THE ARGUMENT AND YOU A PROVEN A FOOL
Obama has been a HUGE supporter of the Patriot Act. He hasn't overtuned any of it. In fact he has defended it and expanded upon it.
Why do you support the Bush/Obama patriot act? Why are you in favor of warrentlss wiretaps and torture? I dont get it. I am against both these things.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Hey, idiot. I already told you had you twisted what I said. I even showed you the dialogue between us, so for you to say I ever said Bush made abortion and gay marriage illegal is just a goddamn lie. I said the R's want to, and they do. Can you deny that?
I am against warrentless wiretaps and torture so I voted for Obama. I'm taking you didn't vote for Obama, so you are the one for those things not me. McCain and the Rs love torture and illegal activity. You voted for it.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
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@FartyFace it's not Obama changing the laws so we all have to live under Christian Law
"Changing the law so we have to live under Christian law"? WTF does that mean? I DARE you to name one example. Just ONE.
Outlawing abortion, changing the Constitution telling people who can marry and who can't. There's 2 examples, cocksucker. I DARE you tell me that's not Christian Law.
Do you not understand English? Did I say anything about Bush? Plus, I said they want to, not that they did.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace Pwned. You are my bitch. Just give up. I'm right, you're wrong. I'm a genius, you're a dumbass. I win. You lose.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
Still fucking lol'ing at how you thought it was Bush who claimed the power to assassinate American citizens without due process. I assume by now you have googled it and found that even liberal obama fans like Keith Olberman are pissed about Obama's assassination policy. The funny part is how you AUTOMATICALLY assumed it was a lie just because Obama was involved. Why did you do this? Man the democrats sure played you for a fool. I bet you feel really stupid right now
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace I state facts. You state lies and opinions. You are out of your league kid. Go educate yourself, because you might be laughing, but you're still wrong. I gave you a source. What have you given me as proof???????? Oh yeah, you didn't. You can't. No wonder you vote R, you are a goddamn fool. PWNED, with sources, not arrogant ignorance. Your parents should have aborted you.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
If I link you an article in the NY Times, or from the ACLU will just call it "right wing propaganda"?. Google "obama assassination policy" or "Anwar al-Awlaki" you dumb fuck.
Face it, so far, Obama is WORSE than Bush. He took all of Bush's worst polices and expanded upon them. From wars, to deficit, to civil liberties. This is worse than Bush's 3rd term.
PS, I've never voted R in my life and when you are old enough to vote I hope you never vote R either.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Who did you vote for then? I know my shit, don't tell me what to do. You are the ignorant motherfucker in this fight. Let's see the source. Obama just continued the policy. it's a fact. You can deny it all you want. it's still a fucking fact. Try to disprove it. I DARE you bitch.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz The whole comment page is shiting on you. "hilarious"
nero7926 1 year ago
@nero7926 Big Business is shitting on you. And you're too goddamn dumb to see it.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@heynow123ism If your a howard fan thats fine. But Mr Stern is a proven hypocrite.
He complained that the FCC was trying to take away his free speech. At the same time he slapped a gag order on Opie and anthony cause there show was better.
You can agree with howard all you want but when you tell me to educate myself. Pick someone who does'nt fit the definion of hypocrisy.
nero7926 1 year ago
@nero7926 Free speach is with the relation between government and people, this is fondamental. Shutting some faggets mouth, that's power. The governement won't shut me up,that's the principle of having a state of law, but I can shut up people below me in private relation for sure. Howard Stern does not represente the state and is interacting in a private environment. Too bad that Opie and Anthony are to meaningless to be protected by there employeer...
MrHoleA 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz Your a prime exsample of a nincompoop. Your so incapable of making a logical point. But keep telling yourself that your a smart intellectual. There are a million idiots like you on youtube. Have fun in candyland sucker. I laugh at your common sense.
nero7926 1 year ago
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nero7926 1 year ago
@kill3456 Your just another fool with noconcept of whats around you.
I wish i could decipher the nonsense behind your comment. Try and make more sense?
nero7926 1 year ago
@nero7926 I really could not agree with this guy more. Educate yourself or get a job before you all start voicing your opionion.
heynow123ism 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz If you want to swim in the big water with the grown ups then you have to answer the content of my previous comment. Instead you regurgitate excuses of the desperate. I don't need to name call you. I don't even have to really debate you. Your wilful blindness and ignorance are clear. Try and break down my prevoius comment like an intellectual. Or throw a Sissy fit like a liberal. Nobody respects your intelligence. I feel sorry for you. The man sets up a teleprompter for lil kids
nero7926 1 year ago
@nero7926
Yeah that's right, fuck smart people and fuck intellectuals, what did they ever do for us?
Oh wait.
kill3456 1 year ago
@nero7926 Yawn.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@nero7926 I don't have to prove anything to you. You are a fucking idiot.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz You just can't cope with the fact that Obama's a complete incompetent. He never has run anything or even had a real job. If you look at states like california, illinois and massachusetts they have all had total Democrat/liberal/progressive control for decades. Are also the most corrupt and most fiscally irresponsible. Your defending a fool and sound like a your being willfully blind. Those states also think there the smartest peaple in the USA. Bush got more class to. don't hate
nero7926 1 year ago
@nero7926 Nice theory, not facts. You lose.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@nero7926 Let's see the Republicans lead us to a financial collapse then refused to help so stupid mother fuckers like you would vote them back into power. get ready for more unpaid for wars, more unpaid for tax cuts, more deregulation. And another collapse. Congrats, you're a fucking moron.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
8:14 "I recently had to use some of the City services" - aw, poor Howard, having to actually live like every other New Yorker, wah! Maybe he should go back to LI like all the other suburban tools
xxpehbcemm 1 year ago
that was one hell of a tea party, and the rent is too damn high
sugarsoakermd 1 year ago
So the Republicans destroyed our economy, then obstruct as much as they can in fixing it, then they get re-elected. What a fucked up system we have.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz Welcome to America, I think it's time to move.
grindhouse141 1 year ago 3
@grindhouse141 Yeah I know. Are there any countries left that aren't communist?
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
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@darealdjnutz
Americans are too fucking dumb to be voting and need to be told what to do. They say they dont but deep down they want to be.
dougcl79PUREHARDROCK 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
I agree, the Bush policy of corporate bailouts, stimulus, deficits and the printing of money destroyed the economy.
The Obama policy of MASSIVE corporate bailouts, MASSIVE stimulus, MASSIVE deficits and the MASSIVE printing of money will eventually save the economy. How could it fail?
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace TARP was Bush, Obama saved GM and we the people made $20 billion. The stimulus saved jobs, and saved us from another depression. If the people aren't spending money, and if private business isn't spending money, the government HAS to. Or it would have lead to a lost decade eg. Japan. What was Bush (1 and 2 aka dumb and dumber) and Reagan's excuse for their spending? Much worse than any Dem. Look it up for yourself, fuckface.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
I agree with you 100%. I cant pay off my mortgage right now. My family barely has enough food to eat. But guess what? I just got a credit card application in the mail! I figure if I take out a $100,000 loan and buy a new car and some TV's and shit I will spend my way out of poverty. Its a full proof plan. Ask any Dem. Look it up for yourself fuckface.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Same way Bush paid for his wars. LOLOLOLOLOL
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
Oh you mean the same exact wars Obama "changed" by sending in more troops!!!
I think we both agree though that the best change Obama gave us was the change to civil liberties. Under Bush we got unconstitutional warrantless wiretaps. Obama changed that completely. Now we have unconstitutional warrentless ASSASSINATION orders against American citizens. Its a HUGE change from Bush thats for sure.
FartyFace 1 year ago 4
@FartyFace Hey dumbass, those were Bush policies, but yes it pisses me off they haven't changed. Obama also pissed me off when he passed Bob Dole's health care plan and called that change. The hypocrisy pisses me off, but the Republicans are kings of that. They talk about deficit, but don't want to pay for giving the wealthiest people in this country, the only ones NOT struggling, another $700 billion bailout. The Republicans are shills for them, the Dems aren't much better. But are better.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
FACT: Obama transfered more money from the middle class to corporations in 2 years than Bush did in 8. WAY more.
How is that better?
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Show me that fact from an unbiased source that supports your lie. It's laughable, and you will not be able to. Plus Obama HAD to spend to keep us from a Bush/Cheney Depression. It's simple economics if the people and business aren't spending the government must. If they don't look at Japan's Lost Decade. I always wondered who would vote for Republicans, now I know. Stupid, uninformed, uneducated, ignorant people that watch Fox News. Like you.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz How does going into debt for trillions of dollars prevent a depression? Have you ever taken an economics class? Even an entry level one? You sound like you're just repeating things you've heard other people say. Who are the unbiased experts my angry friend?
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy Who are your sources? Oh I was right wasn't I? The Murdoch/Saudi Billionaire Faux News. Go educate yourself on the Japan's Lost Decade. If the people aren't spending, and if business is not spending, then the government MUST. Or we could have our own lost decade. Why is you don't mind spending on wars, unpaid for, and tax cuts for the wealthiest people, again unpaid. Go educate yourself, I'm not going to wast my time on a stupid fuck like you.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz *sigh* Looks like you lose by default. You can't back up your claims, you can only scream and shout. Lovely. How do economies based on fiat currency end up?
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy What claims have you backed up? Seriously, where are your facts?
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@MrGrevy You lose.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz Tell em !
grindhouse141 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz I win. You gave up. What are you 14?
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy LOL, seriously? I was mocking your comment. That's basically what you said. Now I know why you vote the way you do. You are a fucking dumbass. LOL. Really????
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace No he fucking didn't you idiot. The bailouts were made by the Bush administration. The last thing he did. AND they were universally supported too by John Boehner and Harry Reid. Get you facts straight.
brokenmonkey000 1 year ago
@brokenmonkey000
Wait, did you just say Obama DIDN"T bail out the banks?
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH
LOL thats a good joke. But seriously though, could you imagine if there really were liberals out there who have convinced themselves that Obama had nothing to do with the bailouts and that Bush did it all? It's a scary thought to think that people like that might exist and be voting in our elections.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace - please God tell me you dont vote...
The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It was a component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis.
brokenmonkey000 1 year ago
@brokenmonkey000
DUH
Just like the wars and the Patriot Act, Obama took every bad thing Bush did and expanded upon it and made it worse.
Bailouts, Stimulus, Deficit Spending, Printing Money. Bush started all these things and Obama ran with them.
I'm sick of Bush's 3rd term. Arent you?
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace You're absolutely right. The problem with Obama - so far from being that he's a "socialist" or any of the other epithets retard Teabaggers throw at him - is that he governs too much like a Republican. So what are ya gonna do - vote for Newt Gingrich? The Dems are too far right and too spineless to stand up to the GOP, but the GOP meanwhile is now exclusively populated with vicious, crazy, extremist imbeciles.
ScinLaeca358 3 months ago
@ScinLaeca358 Or you know you could just vote for the anti-war, pro-liberty candidate. The one who is in second place in the polls. Its the only moral choice in this election. If you vote for Obama again you are voting for Bush's 4th term. End of story.
FartyFace 3 months ago
@FartyFace What's your source? Or are you like Fox News and just make shit up. I'll be waiting.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
Google the following words: "bailouts, General Motors, Fannie Freddy" Wikipedia might be a good place to start if you want to learn about recent US history. What country do you live in? I would have though just about everyone on Earth had heard about our financial crisis over here. FoxNews only really talks about current events from what I've heard. Its not a good Station to watch if you are looking for historical facts that took place two years ago.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Google, go fuck yourself. Bush was the President that gave the money to the banks, The R's were the ones that changed the rules so they could rob us blind to start with, Obama saved jobs and a car company and actually made us money. LOL, you are delusional and stupid if you think Fox is fair and balanced. I'm finsihed with you, you are too goddamn dumb for your own good.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
LoL THANK GOD you are not a US Citizen. NO ONE in the USA is dumb enough to think Bush is secretly controlling Obamas Corporate Bailouts 2 years after he was removed from office. Even the stupidest right wing fox news watching idiot doesnt believe something that retarded. You are WORSE than a fox news fan.
Seriously man? You seriously think Obama is acting on Bush's behalf? Bush is secretly controlling Obamas actions?
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace OmG, you are actually trying to say Bush wasn't the President when the banks were bailed out? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You are a fucking moron. Are you really that fucking dumb? You should have been aborted.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace OmG, you are actually trying to say Bush wasn't the President when the banks were bailed out? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You are a fucking moron. Are you really that fucking dumb? You should have been aborted. You are waste of sperm and my time, now fuck off and die.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz WINNING !
grindhouse141 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
No you are right, Bush started TARP. Obama oversaw the administration of TARP and expanded upon it and made it worse by bailing out more corporate fat cats at the expense of poor and middle class Americans. OBAMA is quite literally Bush's 3rd term. They have the EXACT same economic policy: bailout corporations, borrow money, inflate the currency at the expense of the poor.
STOP WATCHING FOXNEWS/MSNBC!!! You have been BRAINWASHED by the corporate elite. I really pity you.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace It's not Obama cutting all the programs that help the poor, it's not Obama not financing Planned Parenthood for political reason, it's not Obama trying to bust the unions, it's not Obama changing the laws so we all have to live under Christian Law. Obama didn't want to give the rich tax cuts. Obama wanted to end the tax loopholes for corporations and end subsidies for oil, but did you notice how many Rs voted for that? Obama is not perfect, but he is better than any R. Any.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
It wasn't Bush that claimed for the Executive branch the power to assassinate American citizens without due process. It wasn't Bush that let insurance companies write a "healthcare" bill that forces citizens to purchase goods from a private company. It wasn't Bush that expanded the war in Afghanistan.
"Changing the law so we have to live under Christian law"? WTF does that mean? I DARE you to name one example. Just ONE.
Only thing worse than a republican is a democrat.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace It WAS Bush who ordered the illegal arrests and torture of innocent civilians. It WAS Bush who appointed former insurance company execs to key positions in his administration. It WAS Bush who made up a a story about WMD's so that he could invade Iraq, a country, by the way, that never attacked us.
grindhouse141 1 year ago
@grindhouse141
I agree, not defending Bush at all. Just want to point out that:
it WAS Obama who refused to overturn anything in the patriot act and has refused to let lawyers sue the government over it, let anyone out of Gitmo or change the policy that sent them there in the first place. It WAS Obama who let insurance company's write his health care bill for him. It WAS Obama who has kept the war in Iraq going by replacing soldiers with mercenaries and expanded the war in Afghanistan.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Wrong, assassinate American citizens without due process is a Bush-cheney policy. You really don't know shit, do you?
Obama care is Romney care.
Outlawing abortion, changing the Constitution telling people who can marry and who can't. There's 2 examples, cocksucker. I DARE you tell me that's not Christian Law.
Only one thing is worse than a Republican, stupid mother fuckers that are manipulated to vote for them and against their own interest.
Go learn something, dummy.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
I f you would like to learn some American history I would suggest you start with something called "the patriot act" You can read about it on wikipedia. No where in it does it mention assassination. That is something president Obama added after he embraced the patriot act and made it his own.
Abortion is still legal in the United States. Bush didn't touch abortion laws. Gay marriage is a state issue as well, bush never touched it. LOL you really dont know shit do you?
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Suck on this...
Obama Continues Bush-Era Assassination Policy
the Obama administration has renewed a Bush-era policy granting US forces authority to kill US citizens abroad if they’re linked to terrorist actions against the US or "US interests."
Pwned. You are my stupid little bitch.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz
LOL at democracy now as a credible news source. Thats WORSE than Fox News.
ahahahahahha This is the EASIEST debate i've ever seen in my life. This is a troll right? You are secretly on my side and just mocking liberals right?
You and Rush Limbaugh should hook up. You guys would do WONDERS for getting republicans elected. Ever work for a Republican candidate? Your posts here are INVALUABLE for getting Republicans elected. You should charge them money for this shit.
FartyFace 1 year ago
@FartyFace Where is one source for any of your BS?
You haven't proven one thing you have said. Not one source. it's just your opinion and you are delusional.
You're a joke.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace the only thing you have proven is your ignorance. Thanks for the laugh dumbfuck. Keep trying.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace Where is your source? Anyone, even a dumbfuck like you, can make shit up. Fox news for example.
Bush created 1 million jobs in 8 years. Bush GAVE the banks $700 billion.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace You don;t have any facts or sources just your opinion and nonsense. Now fuck off until you come back with some FACTs and sources. Go to bed you little stupid kid, it's past your bedtime.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace That's a goddamn lie, I DARE you to prove this lie with a source.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace I'm still waiting for one source. Any source that says any of your lies are true. I'll be waitng a long time.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@FartyFace what assassination orders against american citizens?
cobrafreak006 9 months ago
@cobrafreak006
You have never heard of Anwar al-Awlaki? Let me guess, you only watch FoxNews/MSNBC
FartyFace 9 months ago
@FartyFace no. foxnews is nothing but people talking shit. and yes i have heard of al-awlaki. and he isnt dead
cobrafreak006 9 months ago
@cobrafreak006
What does it matter if he isnt dead yet? He still has a assassination order out on him courtesy of President Obama. He is still an American Citizen. He has still never been put on trial in a court of law.
Obama gave the executive branch the power to assassinate american citizens without any court of trial. This a NEW power that he claimed for himself that Bush never claimed to have. Every new president from now to forever will also have this same power.
FartyFace 9 months ago
@darealdjnutz Obstructed in fixing it? Do you know how much Obama pissed away with the "stimulus" package??
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@MrGrevy You must watch Fox News. Most unbiased experts think the stimulus worked. It saved us from a depression, saved jobs. The only problem and waste was it wasn't big enough, and the compromise with the Republicans for tax cuts was a total waste. Trickle down doesn't work, despite years of evidence the Rep still insists it does. Why? On yeah, their base gets richer. You poor stupid SOB.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz What sources/experts are saying these things? Just because you spout off a bunch of nonsense doesn't make you right. If you think the government creates jobs you are a severely, dangerously uninformed person.
MrGrevy 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz Do you really understand so little about the economic system or do you always just recycle what you hear? Explain to me the relation between what is going on now and what has happened throughout or current economical model. What is variation and how does it relate to what is currently happening? What kind of model are we currently using? What a fucked up system is correct. The fact someone so poorly educated on the topic comments is well fucked up.
heynow123ism 1 year ago
@heynow123ism I don't have to do anything for you. Educate yourself.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz barney frank and chriss dodd destroyed our economy you dumbass
iown813 1 year ago
@iown813 That's a Fox News talking point....LIE. You're the dumbass, you get your news from a billionaire Australian and a Saudi Prince. LOL, at you.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz youre defense of the left-wing is so pathetic. get a grip on reality you retard
iown813 1 year ago
@iown813 State yours sources dumbfuck, oh yeah you can't. You're the joke, you are not a millionaire so you are just a fucking fool voting Rs. Vote, your job overseas. Vote away all your rights so you can live under Christian Law. This country is going down the toilet thanks to morons like you voting against your own interests. You would amuse me, if you were so fucking stupid.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago