Despite how some people might feel, i'm actually glad that WWE didn't bring back the war games simply because they probably wouldn't have done it any justice. I didn't even like the later versions that WCW did in the late 90s. Nothing will compare to these original Crockett War Games matches.
they should have returned this match already and have a stable of 5 guys or 4 guys and a manager again i mean come on not a nexus or corre but something like the horsemen or the dangerous alliance something for the higher purpose
@Warriospwn: No, in January 1991 WCW broke away from what was left of the NWA. If Vince hadn't bought up the WCW video library nothing would have been done with it.
@thalastpoet: Calling Cena a "white guy pretending to be black" is dumb, only because Dusty was doing the same thing. That was the whole idea behind the Akeem the African Dream gimmick given to the One Man Gang in 1988.
BTW, Shithead HBK with his 1001 excuses for not doing a job would have been blacklisted back then.
Man I miss those days. The way they put years into rivalries, it wasn't a soap opera like it is today. Character development to point that after a few months you were emotionally invested into someone.
Back then, wrestling used to take time and developed unique characters & story lines that stayed in the minds of their fans. It wasn't always about everyone going into the ring and trying to be the better badass with a catchphrase. Matches like this hold more relevance and authenticity than most of the modern day events even with all of their tricks and theatrics. Watching Animal run into that cage to help Rhodes and hearing the crowd lose it still gives me goosebumps 24 years later.
@clebo99 ric flair, arn anderson, tully blanchard, and lex lugar and manager of james j dillon on the otherside was the raodworriers hawk and anamal, nikta koloff and dusty roades and manager paul ellering
When the Road Warriors had to modify the Doomsday Device because of the height of the cage you'd think WCW would've realized it needed to be taller. But no it took them until Sid Vicious nearly killed Brian Pillman with a power bomb because Pillman's head hit the cage ceiling before they changed it.
@Bigdmccabe the issue here is that there are no longtime "gangs" in the biz anymore. The Horsemen had a TON of history with The Superpowers and Warriors.
@1981CrueHead Shawn Michaels has gone on record as saying the 1983 Last Battle Of Atlanta match between Tommy Rich and Buzz Sawyer was where the concept of Hell In A Cell came from....
@BigWillMac Elimination Chamber? Yes. Hell In a Cell? No. As great of a match as this is, it doesn't have shit on Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker at Bad Blood 97.
It is better than the vastly overrated Mick Foley HIAC match though.
miss these days....todays wrestling is pure garbage!! so fake,an commercial,it's sicking!! only a few ol school guys left,when there gone,i'll never whatch it againe!!...it'll be re-run's for me!! lol
Man i thought this was SOOOOOOO Awesome and still is...but man the ending was kinda generic! But this is still classic! WWE should use matches like this and get off the soap opera gimmics
this is the best wrestling match i have ever seen in my life... i saw this live on ppv in chestertown md when i was 10 yrs old....wut happened to the good old days
Ladies, who do you think was the best looking of the bunch in this match?? Besides the ladies on the outside offcourse lol!! I would think any female watching this would say Lex Luger is top for best looking, and Nikita Koloff the least good looking!!
i miss the golden days of wrestling. i remember turning on the tv when i couldn't sleep and catch Georgia Southern Wrestling. LOL !!! TBS, 6:05-8:05 . good times.
@sott3 i still have my VHS copy of this I know thats sad but its true I saw it the other day on my Videocassetter player I still have one of those two LOL!
this stuff is awesome! Crowds don't get even close to this anymore! The horsemen were geniuses because it takes a hell of a lot of heat to get this much of a crowd response. Not to mention Crockett really knew how to get the faces way over.
@bull864 well it didn't work much with Nikita Koloff in his matches with the horsemen. Whenever Nikita wrestled Luger, the crowd was 80% or more behind Luger. Same with his matches with Flair, Tully and Arn. Just watch the Nikita Koloff vs Lex Luger Steel Cage match from Great American Bash 87 and you'll see exactly what I mean. The fans booed Nikita out of the Arena after the match.
dog collar match the skywalker match the war games tower of doom all JCP Ideas Vince has nothing but surrvor serries and the royal rumbel the rest of his idea's suck.
Awesome stuff. NWA wrestling was he best. They cameup with Wargames and so many other matches before Vince mcmahon and the WWF/E ever evn thought of them. Vince stole most of his ideas from NWA/WCW including the one for Wrestlemania which was done first in the NWA with Starcade. Pro wrestling died when WCW died. WWE sucks. WCW/NWA 4-EVER!!!!
this is wrestling history and even if WWE bring it back the WWE kid fans will never understand it and they will only care about it if Super Cena and PG DX are in it.
wwe chat had a voting poll up what ppv would you like to see war games the triple cage match was one of the pics so its possible wwe could replace survivor series with wargames
One of the two greatest concepts ever in wrestling along with the Royal Rumble. Sucks we will never see this ever again thanks to Worst Wrestling Ever. The date on this video is wrong.
This took place on July 4, 1987 in the old Omni in Atlanta. The July 31, 1987 War Games was in the Orange Bowl in Miami.
Great choice. Is that in reference to in-ring ability or popularity, name recognition? I personally think Roddy Piper is the highest profile wrestler to have never won a world title, followed by Jake Roberts, Curt Hennig, Arn Anderson, and Scott Hall
I don't consider the AWA during that time to be a major league wrestling promotion. It was basically an indie with an ESPN contract. It's like calling Dan Severn a multiple-time world champion for wrestling for a watered down NWA brand
@cbaldwinjr you mentioned all of those wrestlers but fail to mention Wahoo McDaniel.....he never won a world title either and other than Hennig, had more wrestling ability than any of them.....
I look at world titles as before 1987 and after 1987. Before 1987, guys held titles for 3-5 years at a times (with the exception of the fluke title change). A guy like Wahoo McDaniel could be main event material without ever needing a belt because of the regional setup. So yeah, he deserves to be on the list, but back them, the world title was SACRED. The guys I mention, it wasn't so much...and they were probably more deserving considering some of the choices made to make world champions
@cbaldwinjr Today they put belts on guys who are jobbed out for months and not ready. Jack Swagger who is a very good wrestler was jobbed out then given a title where he was booked as the weakest champ of the last few years and now he's on Superstars.
@wweking09 i agree with you partly, not only did Arn deserve a world title run, but so did Roddy Piper , there are a few others also such as Dick Slater,
This match brings so many memories back...I wish this event was released on dvd along with other NWA/WCW video archives. I remember that it was the most talked about match of the summer I think it was July 4th,1987 at the Omni in Atlanta.
This was something that everyone was excited about. It was when wrestling meant something and not... "oh here we go again... same old match with guys with no personality."
This is the greatest match in wrestling history. Period. Dusty vs Arn. Luger cleaning house. Road Warriors, Nikita, 4 Horsemen. It can never be like this again.
Now THIS was wrestling the way it was, and should still be today. NWA crowds really got into the matches back in the day, but a crowd at a WWE show now is more likely to chant "bo-ring!", "refund!" and "we want wrestling!".
I can;t understand who would like nikita koloff. He was so unappealing. I mean no ladies in any arena that he wrestled cheered for him, it was mostly guys.
Someone may have already said this, but were your other vids under the WCW label? And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an NWA match. I'm not sure if WWE owns the NWA video library, but if they dont, then thats probably why this video has lasted so long. Cuz frankly the NWA is dead, so there is no one to bitch about copyright stuff. And thanks for posting this. I just love the tagline "The Match Beyond" . Thats just plain bad ass LOL
I honestly dont get why Vince even bought it. Aside from the Invasion angle and a few dvd's, he hasn't done anything with it. Seems kind of pointless.
@funkysnoogans yes so true, but T.W called to see if Vince wanted WCW by any chance. Vince of course wanted WCW out of the way, so he bought it just for the hell of it.
For those of you asking me how much Vince bought all these great memories for. 4.5 Million that's it.
T.W practically gave it away just so wrestling wouldn't be in in it's TNT, or TBS line up.
WWE can't even compete with this 22 year old footage. There's only a few larger than life characters today, and JOHN CENA IS NOT ONE OF THEM! Can't believe a guy from New England, pretending to be (Black) from the "streets" is the most popular wrestler! Every NWA/ and (early) WCW guy was larger than life. Today's wrestler just emulate things we really don't like about society (read: John Cena). This is great. I'm only 28, but i remember this well.
If by "popular", you mean the lowest PPV buyrates in 3 years then yeah Cena is pretty popular. The only guys in today's WWE that could have been a success in any era are Chris Jericho and HBK.
@thalastpoet AMEN! Guys like Dusty Rhodes and The Road Warriors were wrestlers you had an emotional investment in and really wanted to get behind. They never said chessy stuff they just got down to business and told u want they were gonna do to those prick horsemen friday night @ the omni! Wrestling was all about competition and settlin grudges back then. Now everything is over written, over produced, over the top, nothing seems believable and Mr. Cena fits that bill perfectly!
I wish UFC would do a wargames match: Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture & Forrest Griffin vs Fedor, Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, GSP & Mirko Cro Cop
Unfortunately not! UFC is talent driven not innovation driven! i mean its a great idea, but it'd need a new man in charge to think outside the box like that.
Scrappy! I forgot about fuggin' Scrappy! (The blonde Tommy Rich looking ref outside the ring). I can still remember the promos for this: "The Match Beyond..10 men, 2 rings wrapped in steel...and only one way out! War Games 1 and the rematch, War Games 2..." I'm 9 years old all over again.
Is this the July 31 match? That match didn't have James J Dillon, it had the War Machine as the 5th horseman member. This match was on July 4. The Great American Bash, in 1987, was a tour.
Man the golden days of wrestling was this luger pre wwf or after he got let go cause I thought he was a body builder in vince's wbf before he started wrestling
this was luger pre wwf. this match was in 1987. luger started in florida in 85-86. he went to vinces wbf in 92 iirc after he lost the wcw title to sting.
even WORSE, somebody said earlier that DUSTY wasn't that popular! Are you CRAZY?! Dusty Rhodes is one of the most popular wrestlers EVER in wrestling!! He may not have the power moves to get the same kind of pop that the Road Warriors might get in a match like this, but the crowd loved him! To suggest that the company used some kind of "cheer machine" to make it seem like more fans were cheering for the faces than really were is kind of ridiculous!
LOL! You are crackin' me UP! But first of all, how can you possibly tell whether it's men or women cheering? But if the women are cheering for Lex (and that's a big "if", 'cause in this Wargames video, I sure don't hear 'em!), there's a whole lot more people cheering for Koloff! (I repeat, Luger slams Koloff at 14:19, DEAD SILENCE; Koloff clotheslines Luger at 20:50, ERUPTION!).
Now, what the heck have you got against bald guys? Why can't a bald guy be a face? Or even good-looking, since you
keep bringing it up. Nikita was a great face! Have you watched the youtube video "birth of the superpowers"? That may well be the biggest "pop" I've ever heard from a wrestling crowd! They went absolutely NUTS!
And by the way, that was Dusty's idea! I don't know if you mean Dusty sucked as a wrestler or a booker, but he was DEFINITELY one of the greatest wrestlers ever. As a booker/promoter, I admit he had some misses, but he had a lotta hits too. A lot of the stuff that happened during
Y'all just don't get it. There's a difference between a CHEER and a REACTION. Heels will get reactions; they're supposed to, and the bigger the better. But there is no point in this match other then when a new horseman is coming into the ring that you hear anything even REMOTELY resembling a CHEER for the heels! Even when Nikita gets the spiked piledriver, there's barely any reaction from the crowd. And to say the crowd didn't like Nikita?! Did you miss the double clothesline at 11:53? And
I watched the video again. Not only was there no cheering when Nikita got spike-piledrived, there was also no cheering right before that when Luger bodyslammed Nikita.
Maybe you're right about the U.S. title match; I haven't seen it since the eighties. But if it was mainly ladies that were cheering for Lex, that's not really a true representation. Why y'all so concerned with who's better looking? This is WRESTLING!!!
My GOD, I can't believe someone posted this whole match!!! I remember when this first came out - I thought WarGames had to be the coolest thing I had EVER seen!!! And I'll be honest with you, 22 years later, I think it still may be! Back then wrestling videos didn't come out for several months, not almost instantly like they do now. I must have gone up to the local video store every other day until WarGames finally arrived! I damn near broke the rewind button watchin' that thing!! Classic, man!
I'm going to have to disagree with you. You should check out the "birth of the superpowers" video posted here. The fans LOVED Nikita; they hated Luger. Listen to the pop every time Nikita clotheslines (or "sickles") somebody.
I wish that the WWE would have Wargames, with two rings enclosed by the steel cage with a roff on top, like the NWa used to do, that would be really cool to see, I wish that WWE would utilize more NWA themes for Pay-Per Views, like Starcade, Halloween Havoc, and maybe Spring Stampede, or Fall Brawl.
Amazing stuff -- every single one of those guys knew how to tell a story in the ring, and every moment is electric; nowadays, even with the high-flying and extreme-style matches, nobody can create a match nearly as exciting as this one -- there's a difference between a match that builds tension and excitement, and a match that's just a bunch of stunt men tumbling.
this match with no buildup = My favourite match ever
Orton vs Triple H with over 5 years of buildup = Meh
MWFowner 5 days ago
Despite how some people might feel, i'm actually glad that WWE didn't bring back the war games simply because they probably wouldn't have done it any justice. I didn't even like the later versions that WCW did in the late 90s. Nothing will compare to these original Crockett War Games matches.
ebbowman 1 week ago
Ohhh the horror of war!!
Donniedog777 2 weeks ago
they should have returned this match already and have a stable of 5 guys or 4 guys and a manager again i mean come on not a nexus or corre but something like the horsemen or the dangerous alliance something for the higher purpose
mikeyboy7777777 2 weeks ago
WWE dropped the ball by not including this match in the Ric Flair/4 Horsemen DVD.
phatalbert73 2 weeks ago
The era of real wrestling and guys who knew how to put on a great match! Unlike the WWE which is nothing more than a soap opera for men.
CMPunkfan41 1 month ago
@Warriospwn: No, in January 1991 WCW broke away from what was left of the NWA. If Vince hadn't bought up the WCW video library nothing would have been done with it.
@thalastpoet: Calling Cena a "white guy pretending to be black" is dumb, only because Dusty was doing the same thing. That was the whole idea behind the Akeem the African Dream gimmick given to the One Man Gang in 1988.
BTW, Shithead HBK with his 1001 excuses for not doing a job would have been blacklisted back then.
JKTube 1 month ago in playlist War Games
Man I miss those days. The way they put years into rivalries, it wasn't a soap opera like it is today. Character development to point that after a few months you were emotionally invested into someone.
showaj 1 month ago
wwe dont have NOTHING on this!
frankbarger69 2 months ago
timless classic and one hell of a match!!!
darrel8284 2 months ago
The most realistically violent, horrifying match ever. The ending is absolutely sick.
KingGhidzilla 2 months ago
stupid americans, this is not for real,..lol
MegaVboost 2 months ago
@MegaVboost Who said that it was?
24varner 2 weeks ago
Back then, wrestling used to take time and developed unique characters & story lines that stayed in the minds of their fans. It wasn't always about everyone going into the ring and trying to be the better badass with a catchphrase. Matches like this hold more relevance and authenticity than most of the modern day events even with all of their tricks and theatrics. Watching Animal run into that cage to help Rhodes and hearing the crowd lose it still gives me goosebumps 24 years later.
midnightsocietynyc 2 months ago
great storytelling great psychology...
theoneandonly713 3 months ago 2
im from va we grew up on nwa best wrestling of all time... AA is the best most under rated.... the man can make u or break u...
420chriscarter 3 months ago 2
Greatest Cage Match Of All Times!!!
shizzam5000 3 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Anyone who knows that John Cena is way better then Nikita Koloff and can wipe the floor with him, give me thumps up.
xhemexx 5 months ago
Can someone give me the list of all the wrestlers in this match?
clebo99 6 months ago
@clebo99 ric flair, arn anderson, tully blanchard, and lex lugar on the otherside was the raodworriers hawk and anamal, nikta koloff and dusty roades
jseaha1 6 months ago
@clebo99 ric flair, arn anderson, tully blanchard, and lex lugar and manager of james j dillon on the otherside was the raodworriers hawk and anamal, nikta koloff and dusty roades and manager paul ellering
jseaha1 6 months ago
even with the bad audio the crowd in going ape shit for everything when they pan wide no one is in there seats And J R is is having a stroke.
soulburst 6 months ago
When the Road Warriors had to modify the Doomsday Device because of the height of the cage you'd think WCW would've realized it needed to be taller. But no it took them until Sid Vicious nearly killed Brian Pillman with a power bomb because Pillman's head hit the cage ceiling before they changed it.
jliller 7 months ago
Arn Anderson is one of the few men that can make Dusty Rhodes look like a superhero... Just amazing... God Bless Arn
whm3 7 months ago 2
@whm3 Dusty was pretty good for a big guy, but I agree with you about Arn. The Enforcer was the best of the 4 Horsemen, and an underrated legend.
McMahonHater 5 months ago 4
The first, and best Wargames match....although the Wrestlewar 92 match is close, if not as good.
h0pelessnerd 7 months ago
i've watched 4 wargames matches and 3 of those ended when jj dillon was forced to surrender.
MWFowner 7 months ago
JJ regrets agreeing to that finish, for sure..
MP8621 8 months ago
10 people are fucktards
Cowshitbullshit 9 months ago
@Cowshitbullshit 10 are WWF Fans who don't know anything about real wrestling.
montkv 7 months ago 12
@montkv lol naah wwf is awesome bro, those 10 are more like wwe fans between the years 2007 +
raaaaaaarbert 1 week ago
This is what gave rise to the concept of hell in the cell and the elimination chamber.
Cowshitbullshit 9 months ago
Gotta love when they say "submission or surrender"..basically saying "give up or give up".
Clintbdee 9 months ago
Ever notice the heels always win the coin toss?
TheBigkev1234 9 months ago
i believe this match was specifically made for the 4 Horsemen.
TimboTwitch 10 months ago
if TNA would just try to be THIS...stick with groups, storylines, etc...long term...let them develope. don't rush them.
so what if they're not #1...there is money for being #2, and they'd have a loyal fan base that Vince didn't get when WCW collapsed.
KEV8551 10 months ago
they should bring this back. The Elimination Chamber has nothing compard to this.
Bigdmccabe 11 months ago
@Bigdmccabe the issue here is that there are no longtime "gangs" in the biz anymore. The Horsemen had a TON of history with The Superpowers and Warriors.
Clintbdee 11 months ago
@Bigdmccabe I agree with you. WWE need to bring back wargames match(double cage rings) I missed those kind of matches.
Mike95rulez 6 months ago
This is where Hell in a Cell came from.
1981CrueHead 1 year ago
@1981CrueHead Shawn Michaels has gone on record as saying the 1983 Last Battle Of Atlanta match between Tommy Rich and Buzz Sawyer was where the concept of Hell In A Cell came from....
d820m 6 months ago
@d820m That's because wwe would not give WCW credit for anything they stole off of them.
1981CrueHead 6 months ago
Damn Precious Paul is in great shape lol! Thanks for this video!! Great!
dret3000 1 year ago
The Old South. I miss it.
wwwocls 1 year ago
what you guys don't,I was at the one in Winston-Salem,it was a classic
BigWillMac 1 year ago
I will put this up against any hell in a cell or elimination chamber match
BigWillMac 1 year ago 7
@BigWillMac Absolutely agree. The one from Wrestle War 1992 was even better. War Games was the greatest Gimmick match ever. Just a blast to watch.
shuxion 1 year ago
@BigWillMac Elimination Chamber? Yes. Hell In a Cell? No. As great of a match as this is, it doesn't have shit on Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker at Bad Blood 97.
It is better than the vastly overrated Mick Foley HIAC match though.
JoshRA 1 week ago
DUSTY hoo hoo hoo hoo
hensolo10 1 year ago
miss these days....todays wrestling is pure garbage!! so fake,an commercial,it's sicking!! only a few ol school guys left,when there gone,i'll never whatch it againe!!...it'll be re-run's for me!! lol
zekenc 1 year ago
Man i thought this was SOOOOOOO Awesome and still is...but man the ending was kinda generic! But this is still classic! WWE should use matches like this and get off the soap opera gimmics
TheHeels4life 1 year ago
reat in peace hawk the wrestling world misses you
glennbrock 1 year ago
this was the shit
cindid2008 1 year ago
Best War games !
IcedFoxx 1 year ago
BRING BACK WARGAMES
chibineowing 1 year ago 3
@chibineowing they did but ti's in tna now
TheBillionDollarboy9 1 year ago
this is the best wrestling match i have ever seen in my life... i saw this live on ppv in chestertown md when i was 10 yrs old....wut happened to the good old days
dbutlersr 1 year ago
@dbutlersr - I was 11 in Chicago and this i STILL the best match of all time in my opinion.
TBirdSCIL 11 months ago
It's not shown here, but when the Road Warriors team came to the ring, the fans chanted 'Let them switch'. Anyone know what that was about?
brendan909 1 year ago
did anyone bother to count the number of ball shots in this match??? LOL
egwrickryder 1 year ago
This is one of my favorite matches of all time! Before Hell in a Cell and Elimination Chamber; WarGames was the shit!
leroy592 1 year ago
what a great match
cRaZyGurl91 1 year ago
that shit is too much old
saintrow69 1 year ago
Ladies, who do you think was the best looking of the bunch in this match?? Besides the ladies on the outside offcourse lol!! I would think any female watching this would say Lex Luger is top for best looking, and Nikita Koloff the least good looking!!
xhemexx 1 year ago
Classic stuff except for the war machine
bighomey870 1 year ago
I hated how the audio of this match sucked so bad. Other than that, one of the classic matches of all time
mrhollister09 1 year ago
Was this the first wargames match? And if not when was it and who was in it?
keh678 1 year ago
@keh678 Yes, this was the first Wargames match.
sott3 1 year ago
i miss the golden days of wrestling. i remember turning on the tv when i couldn't sleep and catch Georgia Southern Wrestling. LOL !!! TBS, 6:05-8:05 . good times.
KILEKUMA 1 year ago
Dusty Rhodes best booking ideas:
1) Wargames
2) First major televised wrestling supercard, Starrcade
3) Putting Miz/John Morrison together as a tag team
RSXemperor 1 year ago
@RSXemperor All good... except for 3.
Freebleeper 8 months ago
Wasn't this in the Omni in Atlanta on July 4??
The July 31 wargames was in the Orange Bowl and JJ Dillon did not wrestle in that match
riddlerkb 1 year ago
Got to be a top 5 moment in 80's wrestling and maybe the peak of the Crockett NWA. I think I wore out my VHS copy of this match.
sott3 1 year ago
@sott3 i still have my VHS copy of this I know thats sad but its true I saw it the other day on my Videocassetter player I still have one of those two LOL!
VanDamme11 1 year ago
@VanDamme11 Don't be ashamed, I have this on VHS too. This is a collector's item.
leroy592 1 year ago
@leroy592 LOL yes it is
VanDamme11 1 year ago
this was a classic! I remember watching this in 87! I was screaming the whole match
jm0226 1 year ago
these guys knew how to put on a show
superminh13 1 year ago
i do wish i'd been born years earlier so that this kind of match could've had a REAL impression on me.
antsman88 1 year ago
LOL mad old school u gotta love it!
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Hazedream 1 year ago
this stuff is awesome! Crowds don't get even close to this anymore! The horsemen were geniuses because it takes a hell of a lot of heat to get this much of a crowd response. Not to mention Crockett really knew how to get the faces way over.
bull864 1 year ago
@bull864 well it didn't work much with Nikita Koloff in his matches with the horsemen. Whenever Nikita wrestled Luger, the crowd was 80% or more behind Luger. Same with his matches with Flair, Tully and Arn. Just watch the Nikita Koloff vs Lex Luger Steel Cage match from Great American Bash 87 and you'll see exactly what I mean. The fans booed Nikita out of the Arena after the match.
xhemexx 1 year ago
True enough, but the roar at 11:53 for Nikita is amazing...somehow the excitement at matches isn't nearly as intense as moments like that
blazerr 1 year ago
dog collar match the skywalker match the war games tower of doom all JCP Ideas Vince has nothing but surrvor serries and the royal rumbel the rest of his idea's suck.
fedexskins 1 year ago
Awesome stuff. NWA wrestling was he best. They cameup with Wargames and so many other matches before Vince mcmahon and the WWF/E ever evn thought of them. Vince stole most of his ideas from NWA/WCW including the one for Wrestlemania which was done first in the NWA with Starcade. Pro wrestling died when WCW died. WWE sucks. WCW/NWA 4-EVER!!!!
danteras23 1 year ago 2
this is wrestling history and even if WWE bring it back the WWE kid fans will never understand it and they will only care about it if Super Cena and PG DX are in it.
darkastonvillafan 1 year ago 2
Also, this match only really works with blood! WWE is PG now.
MrBlackSW 1 year ago 2
wwe chat had a voting poll up what ppv would you like to see war games the triple cage match was one of the pics so its possible wwe could replace survivor series with wargames
iamshalomguy 1 year ago
Back then the crowd was always into these matches classic not this overtop crappy wrestling
DerrickB6924 1 year ago
Those were the days...
Nexus974 2 years ago
One of the two greatest concepts ever in wrestling along with the Royal Rumble. Sucks we will never see this ever again thanks to Worst Wrestling Ever. The date on this video is wrong.
This took place on July 4, 1987 in the old Omni in Atlanta. The July 31, 1987 War Games was in the Orange Bowl in Miami.
sxwrulz 2 years ago 2
THE MATCH BEYOND!
That's how you make a match seem career-ending.
lisgod3 2 years ago
arn anderson= best wrestler never to win world title imo
wweking09 2 years ago 22
I concur.
Fnoel98356 1 year ago
@wweking09
Great choice. Is that in reference to in-ring ability or popularity, name recognition? I personally think Roddy Piper is the highest profile wrestler to have never won a world title, followed by Jake Roberts, Curt Hennig, Arn Anderson, and Scott Hall
cbaldwinjr 1 year ago
@cbaldwinjr Curt Hennig was a World Champ in AWA.
headhunterzmma 1 year ago
@headhunterzmma
I don't consider the AWA during that time to be a major league wrestling promotion. It was basically an indie with an ESPN contract. It's like calling Dan Severn a multiple-time world champion for wrestling for a watered down NWA brand
cbaldwinjr 1 year ago
@cbaldwinjr you mentioned all of those wrestlers but fail to mention Wahoo McDaniel.....he never won a world title either and other than Hennig, had more wrestling ability than any of them.....
d820m 1 year ago
@d820m
I look at world titles as before 1987 and after 1987. Before 1987, guys held titles for 3-5 years at a times (with the exception of the fluke title change). A guy like Wahoo McDaniel could be main event material without ever needing a belt because of the regional setup. So yeah, he deserves to be on the list, but back them, the world title was SACRED. The guys I mention, it wasn't so much...and they were probably more deserving considering some of the choices made to make world champions
cbaldwinjr 1 year ago
@cbaldwinjr Today they put belts on guys who are jobbed out for months and not ready. Jack Swagger who is a very good wrestler was jobbed out then given a title where he was booked as the weakest champ of the last few years and now he's on Superstars.
RSXemperor 11 months ago
@wweking09 I totally agree!
leroy592 1 year ago
@wweking09 so true!!
zekenc 1 year ago
@wweking09 i agree with you partly, not only did Arn deserve a world title run, but so did Roddy Piper , there are a few others also such as Dick Slater,
kungfurabbit71 5 months ago
was this before ric flair plane crash that year
thegov1020 2 years ago
The plane crash was way back in 1975.
mattdemp 2 years ago
This match brings so many memories back...I wish this event was released on dvd along with other NWA/WCW video archives. I remember that it was the most talked about match of the summer I think it was July 4th,1987 at the Omni in Atlanta.
estigia 2 years ago
This match was unreal. And I loved seeing JJ getting the tar beat out of him.
gladfan1989 2 years ago
War games was the sh!t
This was something that everyone was excited about. It was when wrestling meant something and not... "oh here we go again... same old match with guys with no personality."
bluesky8921 2 years ago
This is the greatest match in wrestling history. Period. Dusty vs Arn. Luger cleaning house. Road Warriors, Nikita, 4 Horsemen. It can never be like this again.
toodarkmark 2 years ago
Now THIS was wrestling the way it was, and should still be today. NWA crowds really got into the matches back in the day, but a crowd at a WWE show now is more likely to chant "bo-ring!", "refund!" and "we want wrestling!".
VancouverTVGuy 2 years ago
man these were the good ol days. what we see on tv now is pure bullshit. no more blood. thank god for monday night football or csi miami.
dooktango 2 years ago 9
csi miami seriously david caruso is horrible actor. he should not be allowed to own a television let alone be seen on one every week.
DoctorWHO300 2 years ago
I can;t understand who would like nikita koloff. He was so unappealing. I mean no ladies in any arena that he wrestled cheered for him, it was mostly guys.
xhemexx 2 years ago
Whoops, my bad on the date in the description. It's actually kinda amazing this video has lasted for 3 years, while all my other videos got pulled.
Anyways, thanks for all the comments over the years guys. Much appreciated.
PWF 2 years ago
i remeber the horsemen winning the war games once(w/sid as a 4h) did they ever win any other time?
vjr97 2 years ago
Someone may have already said this, but were your other vids under the WCW label? And correct me if I'm wrong, but this is an NWA match. I'm not sure if WWE owns the NWA video library, but if they dont, then thats probably why this video has lasted so long. Cuz frankly the NWA is dead, so there is no one to bitch about copyright stuff. And thanks for posting this. I just love the tagline "The Match Beyond" . Thats just plain bad ass LOL
funkysnoogans 2 years ago
@funkysnoogans WWE does own the NWA video library. Remember that Jim Crockett owned NWA, when he sold it to Ted Turner it was renamed WCW.
In 1998-1999 Ted sold everything to Time Warner. In 2001 T.W sold the whole library to Vince McMahon.
So yes WWE owns NWA, WCW..
Warriospwn 2 years ago
Wow. I already knew that lol. How stupid did that other comment sound then huh? Now I feel like an idiot. Oh well. This match is still great.
funkysnoogans 2 years ago
@funkysnoogans Its cool. Just remember that no thanks to T.W WWE now owns all these great matched and memories.
Warriospwn 2 years ago
I honestly dont get why Vince even bought it. Aside from the Invasion angle and a few dvd's, he hasn't done anything with it. Seems kind of pointless.
funkysnoogans 2 years ago
@funkysnoogans yes so true, but T.W called to see if Vince wanted WCW by any chance. Vince of course wanted WCW out of the way, so he bought it just for the hell of it.
For those of you asking me how much Vince bought all these great memories for. 4.5 Million that's it.
T.W practically gave it away just so wrestling wouldn't be in in it's TNT, or TBS line up.
Warriospwn 2 years ago
@PWF thanks for putting this on here
KEV8551 10 months ago
WWE can't even compete with this 22 year old footage. There's only a few larger than life characters today, and JOHN CENA IS NOT ONE OF THEM! Can't believe a guy from New England, pretending to be (Black) from the "streets" is the most popular wrestler! Every NWA/ and (early) WCW guy was larger than life. Today's wrestler just emulate things we really don't like about society (read: John Cena). This is great. I'm only 28, but i remember this well.
thalastpoet 2 years ago 4
If by "popular", you mean the lowest PPV buyrates in 3 years then yeah Cena is pretty popular. The only guys in today's WWE that could have been a success in any era are Chris Jericho and HBK.
RSXemperor 2 years ago
@thalastpoet AMEN! Guys like Dusty Rhodes and The Road Warriors were wrestlers you had an emotional investment in and really wanted to get behind. They never said chessy stuff they just got down to business and told u want they were gonna do to those prick horsemen friday night @ the omni! Wrestling was all about competition and settlin grudges back then. Now everything is over written, over produced, over the top, nothing seems believable and Mr. Cena fits that bill perfectly!
ddrock23 1 year ago
WWE needs to bring Wargames back and please dont PG it up.
TNA52383 2 years ago 2
4 horsemen all day
bearscapo 2 years ago 2
I wish UFC would do a wargames match: Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture & Forrest Griffin vs Fedor, Lyoto Machida, Anderson Silva, GSP & Mirko Cro Cop
MrDemolitionMan 2 years ago
Nice idea, but MMA just doesn't work that way.
JKTube 2 years ago
Unfortunately not! UFC is talent driven not innovation driven! i mean its a great idea, but it'd need a new man in charge to think outside the box like that.
thalastpoet 2 years ago
The greatest feud in wrestling history...... period!
scoe804 2 years ago
The greatest feud in wrestling history.......
scoe804 2 years ago
No disrespect to Foley-Taker, but this is the best cage match EVER!
thrustiswaspinator 2 years ago
Someone please post video from where Dusty, TA, and LOD break Ole's leg
ugotzo33 2 years ago
I remember that....wasn't it a scaffold match?
thalastpoet 2 years ago
How did you upload a 23 min vid??
Great classic match.
Thanks for posting.
HISTORYBUFFPA 2 years ago
"I mean, the shriek of agony, sounds of pain! That's all you're hearing here!" Good ole JR
JerRudo 2 years ago
Scrappy! I forgot about fuggin' Scrappy! (The blonde Tommy Rich looking ref outside the ring). I can still remember the promos for this: "The Match Beyond..10 men, 2 rings wrapped in steel...and only one way out! War Games 1 and the rematch, War Games 2..." I'm 9 years old all over again.
hurikayne1 2 years ago 2
vince is a wuss he"ll never add this to wwe ppv's it would've been perfect in the attitude era.
4life1971 2 years ago 2
i wonder why vince hasnt brought this back?? answer, no real wrestlers these days. i watched raw 7/20/09 and it was the worst show i ever saw!!!!
timdogg418 2 years ago 3
i know man, wwe does suck!
laspalmasnay 2 years ago 2
Is this the July 31 match? That match didn't have James J Dillon, it had the War Machine as the 5th horseman member. This match was on July 4. The Great American Bash, in 1987, was a tour.
fjccommish 2 years ago
what a great match
BAMBAMJD20 2 years ago 2
Man the golden days of wrestling was this luger pre wwf or after he got let go cause I thought he was a body builder in vince's wbf before he started wrestling
raiderkriswallace 2 years ago
this was luger pre wwf. this match was in 1987. luger started in florida in 85-86. he went to vinces wbf in 92 iirc after he lost the wcw title to sting.
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xhemexx 2 years ago
damn this is a great match i never get tired of watching it
BAMBAMJD20 2 years ago
even WORSE, somebody said earlier that DUSTY wasn't that popular! Are you CRAZY?! Dusty Rhodes is one of the most popular wrestlers EVER in wrestling!! He may not have the power moves to get the same kind of pop that the Road Warriors might get in a match like this, but the crowd loved him! To suggest that the company used some kind of "cheer machine" to make it seem like more fans were cheering for the faces than really were is kind of ridiculous!
Watch the match again really carefully, ok?
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xhemexx 2 years ago
LOL! You are crackin' me UP! But first of all, how can you possibly tell whether it's men or women cheering? But if the women are cheering for Lex (and that's a big "if", 'cause in this Wargames video, I sure don't hear 'em!), there's a whole lot more people cheering for Koloff! (I repeat, Luger slams Koloff at 14:19, DEAD SILENCE; Koloff clotheslines Luger at 20:50, ERUPTION!).
Now, what the heck have you got against bald guys? Why can't a bald guy be a face? Or even good-looking, since you
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xhemexx 2 years ago
keep bringing it up. Nikita was a great face! Have you watched the youtube video "birth of the superpowers"? That may well be the biggest "pop" I've ever heard from a wrestling crowd! They went absolutely NUTS!
And by the way, that was Dusty's idea! I don't know if you mean Dusty sucked as a wrestler or a booker, but he was DEFINITELY one of the greatest wrestlers ever. As a booker/promoter, I admit he had some misses, but he had a lotta hits too. A lot of the stuff that happened during
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xhemexx 2 years ago
Crockett Promotions heyday was his brainchild.
GET OVER HOW WRESTLERS LOOK!! "an ugly bald guy over someone with long beautiful hair"? OMG!!
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xhemexx 2 years ago
Y'all just don't get it. There's a difference between a CHEER and a REACTION. Heels will get reactions; they're supposed to, and the bigger the better. But there is no point in this match other then when a new horseman is coming into the ring that you hear anything even REMOTELY resembling a CHEER for the heels! Even when Nikita gets the spiked piledriver, there's barely any reaction from the crowd. And to say the crowd didn't like Nikita?! Did you miss the double clothesline at 11:53? And
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xhemexx 2 years ago
I watched the video again. Not only was there no cheering when Nikita got spike-piledrived, there was also no cheering right before that when Luger bodyslammed Nikita.
Maybe you're right about the U.S. title match; I haven't seen it since the eighties. But if it was mainly ladies that were cheering for Lex, that's not really a true representation. Why y'all so concerned with who's better looking? This is WRESTLING!!!
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xhemexx 2 years ago
Now when Nikita clotheslines Lex at 20:50, THAT'S a CHEER!!!
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xhemexx 2 years ago
My GOD, I can't believe someone posted this whole match!!! I remember when this first came out - I thought WarGames had to be the coolest thing I had EVER seen!!! And I'll be honest with you, 22 years later, I think it still may be! Back then wrestling videos didn't come out for several months, not almost instantly like they do now. I must have gone up to the local video store every other day until WarGames finally arrived! I damn near broke the rewind button watchin' that thing!! Classic, man!
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xhemexx 2 years ago
I'm going to have to disagree with you. You should check out the "birth of the superpowers" video posted here. The fans LOVED Nikita; they hated Luger. Listen to the pop every time Nikita clotheslines (or "sickles") somebody.
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xhemexx 2 years ago
submission or surrender? Isnt that the same thing?
wewin03 2 years ago
I wish that the WWE would have Wargames, with two rings enclosed by the steel cage with a roff on top, like the NWa used to do, that would be really cool to see, I wish that WWE would utilize more NWA themes for Pay-Per Views, like Starcade, Halloween Havoc, and maybe Spring Stampede, or Fall Brawl.
Kjr0se 2 years ago
Amazing stuff -- every single one of those guys knew how to tell a story in the ring, and every moment is electric; nowadays, even with the high-flying and extreme-style matches, nobody can create a match nearly as exciting as this one -- there's a difference between a match that builds tension and excitement, and a match that's just a bunch of stunt men tumbling.
blazerr 2 years ago 2
Bring back war games.
SnowDog0 2 years ago
This War Games was the first and THE BEST!
Koolazzmike 2 years ago
The 1992 one might be better, but I never saw it in its entirety.
TheJman2600 2 years ago