Daniel Hannan arguing before (fourth) Irish EU referendum (27Sept09)

[youngian]

Hannan is obsessed nutter.

[StanleyDonwood]

Lol even before Hannan speaks he looks furious

[kubaniski]

Whenever Hannan speaks its just Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!! Head-shot!!

[matchbox555]

stop being afraid of the EU, its a great organisation.

[1957Rotu]

@matchbox555 Yes, in recent weeks, there has been a huge groundswell of opinion in favour of the Lisbon Treaty.

I've just been watching "Athens Tonight", a Grrek current affairs show. They've published the results of a mini referendum (they polled 20,000 people) on the Lisbon Treaty. Over 68% of the respondents were in favour of Lisbon. This is despite all the rioting in Greece.

[Info4People]

looks like Dan aint so much a back bencher anymore as he's appears to increasingly get his way within the pary.

[Maird79]

fuck the EU wheres out VOTE

[annelka999]

well said

[daryl4classic]

is that the same ryanair and intel that cut a load of jobs AFTER they backed the yes side that campaigned for jobs? Hypocrit

[totallytempo]

@urfadder: The No side!

[BlueSkies360]

Go Daniel! Fight for the Freedom! Kick their asses!

[UKChris012]

zzxzqwq, "I am a pro-EU high IQ intellect".

No, you are a conceited Europhile who pathetically and continually posts random sentences of your own views to hog space away from other "dissenting" opinions. Any other views that don't chime with your idea of state controlled "utopia" are written off as "extremist" and "nationalist".

Are Iceland, Switzerland, Norway, Lichtenstein or Andorra always fighting? No. In the EU? No. They are amongst the most free, peaceful and wealthiest nations on earth.

[zzxzqwq]

UKChris012 I know about geopolitics you are just a narrow minded nationalist who does not understand the issues. This is geopolitics way above your pygmy level.

Lichtenstein is not a real democracy anymore. It is a mafia state with has an unelected prince who forced through a referendum with threats.

[UKChris012]

"I know about geopolitics you are just a narrow minded nationalist ...pygmy level."

Conceited and writes off different views to your own as "nationalist". Proof of what I said earlier. Ok let's just believe whatever the self appointed "intellect" says. Hand over vast centralised power to unelected self serving Eurocrats who are answerable to no-one and believe that ordinary people are "deranged". Who believe that ordinary people don't know what's good for them and that they should be muted.

[UKChris012]

zzxzqwq, had there been democracy in Britain rather than centralised state power, we would not have gone to war as 70% of the pop. were opposed to it. The belief that centralising power avoids war is an utterly misguided one. It ensures that wars when they come will be vastly bigger.

[zzxzqwq]

Rubbish. We had an elected government. Our elected government went war. I support democracy that is not the issue. Your narrow minded populist drivel or whipping up nationalism will only result in war and bigotry.

[3070dan]

I totally agree with you there. Centralising power also helps to ensure tyranny.

[zzxzqwq]

I am not conceited, I am honest and sincere in my views, you are a nationalist, and you replied to me without notifying you were replying to me. You cheat.

[Anschutzhammerlitoz]

Looking at Scott I see that sleazy self-serving politicians transcend national boundaries....you've got 'em, we've got 'em, everyone's got 'em.

[zzxzqwq]

Nationalism is an enemy of peace and freedom.

[leon778899]

I take it that you're one of these pro-EU halfwits who takes the view that individual nation-states are bad because they cause wars?

[zzxzqwq]

No I am a pro-EU high IQ intellect who takes the view that extremist nationalism are bad because they cause wars?

[kzearo]

Simplistic drivel.

[zzxzqwq]

kzearo Offensive to freedom, integrity and justice.

[3070dan]

New Labour is the enemy of peace and freedom.

[1957Rotu]

Hannan still believes that the next Tory Government will engage in a "total re-negotiation of the U.K.'s relationship with Europe". Proof, if it were needed, of his complete political naivete. He has become a complete embarrassment to David Cameron in recent times.

[relarerfhjk]

David Cameron is an embarassment to conservatism

[MrGilles1990]

we hated the far left labour government we have had for 12 years so what does David Cameron do he turns the Torys into a centre-left party!

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 You're joking right? Tony Blair reformed the party (New Labour) and made it more right-wing, and you just have to look at the voting in the house of commons to see that he got a lot of things through with conservative support, because they were often conservative policies eg. tuition fees. Perhaps it was far left in the time of Neil Kinnock, but not at for the time they were in power.

You are right in the sense that all parties have moved towards the centre.

[MrGilles1990]

@strakha0 ok Blair did move labour to the right on some issues but what im trying to say their is no right wing major party out their its just centre left centre left and left.

Its like their is no real opposition.

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 Conservatives have moved more towards the centre, but you see all the parties as being all on the left, whereas I see all the parties as being on the right.

We couldn't be anymore right wing, unless we privatise the NHS. Police have power to stop and search at random under s44 terrorism and s60 public order acts. Reducing taxes for the rich is the other way, which the conservatives support.

That's just my opinion, I'm sure you have your reasons too.

[MrGilles1990]

@strakha0 well the rise of the BNP seems to prove my opinion that their is a huge unbalancing overcrowded left and underpopulated right I mean the only right wing party out their is UKIP

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 Doh, I forgot to mention immigration! 3 points:

1. Other than immigration the BNP have no other unique plans to take us further to the right.

2. The BNP lost all their seats.

3. The Green Party (IMO the only left wing party) gained their first seat.

It's all a matter of opinion though, and it's impossible to point to one thing as proof when the 3 main parties stand for more or less the same thing. I hope we both one day get a chance to vote for what we actually want.

[MrGilles1990]

@strakha0 Well the only reason the greens got their seat is because it was very concentrated across Britain they got 200,000 votes on the other hand UKIP got 800,000 votes but no seats.

All the party's agree on Man made climate change

All the party's agree on Immigration

All the Party's agree on the EU

All the party's agree on the death penalty

All the party's agree on the Human rights act

and so on.................

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 With our system, people often vote tactically to try to keep either labour or the conservatives out of power. In a system of proportional representation these smaller parties would get more votes. The BNP and UKIP only prove a lot of people are racist and dislike the French, and similarly Green for environment concern. All those things you listed should be political except climate change, where any party in power should follow the advice of scientists, not personal opinion.

[MrGilles1990]

@strakha0 UKIP racist were is the evidence?

im mixed race and i like UKIP

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 Sorry, I thought you would understand that I meant that the BNP get much of their support from racists, and the UKIP from people who dislike the French.

If you have weighed up Europe on an informed economical basis and decided against it, then you are not representative of that. Any public vote on the Euro or Europe would be a no when you add up those who have legitimate views with those who have bigoted views.

My own views on Europe: I don't know enough about it to judge.

[MrGilles1990]

@strakha0 UKIP dont like the French that's funny because i am 1/2 French!

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 I never said that the UKIP or you dislike the French, only that much of their support comes from people who don't look into it any deeper than that. I would make myself clearer if I had more characters to work with, but my last 2 messages were at the very limit.

Right now if you were to ask me I would say yes to Europe and the Euro just because it would mean I wouldn't have to change my money when I go on holiday! That opinion shouldn't be weighted evenly either.

[MrGilles1990]

@strakha0 The Euro is in meltdown now lol

And giving up you national identity just because you cant be bothered to change your money is not a good reason.

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 Indeed, that's why I don't deserve an opinion unless I were to research it further.

On this subject I am speaking purely from ignorance. National identity means little to me because I believe all nations and peoples are equal, and we'd be better uniting under 1 world, 1 people, as we were in the beginning. I would be interested to know from an economical perspective why Europe and the Euro would be bad, if you have the patience. I have no valid opinions, I am just asking :)

[strakha0]

@MrGilles1990 P.S. it's not just that I can't be bothered to change my money, it's that I have to pay a commission to the banks each time I do it. I accept though that this should not be an overriding reason above more important economical arguments which you may present me with. I have a background in science, not economics, so really I am only asking for your opinion, if you have the patience to enlighten me :)

[worcesteradam83]

this Edward McMillan Scott guy must be a psychopath or something

[iansimcox]

You have to ask why McMillan-Scott stood for election if he didn't believe in the new grouping. We all knew it was happening, if he didn't want to be part of it he should have stood down.

What a nasty piece of work that man is, and let's hope he's never allowed near the Conservative party again.

[iansimcox]

Myself - and I don't want more of our powers going to Brussels

[IridescentEye]

McMillan-Scot lost that argument hands down. What's his motive? Why doesn't he want the people to speak? ..... because he's a traitor.

[zzxzqwq]

A traitor to dishonesty, lies and nationalistic bigotry.

[viaductos]

I don't think Mr.Cameron will hold the Referendum, as the Treaty will be already approved. The EU will speed up the process, putting even more pressure over the remaining countries before the elections in the UK. I'm glad the Conservatives left that sect (the EPP I believe) and formed a new group.

Considering that the Irish are likely to vote "YES", I don't see a bright future on this issue.

[leon778899]

If Cameron refuses to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, then mark my words he will be running the serious risk of losing votes, MPs, MEPs and other areas of support to UKIP.

[zonianfjb]

That's the second time I've seen a waste-of-space politician scramble blindly for a good argument to counter Daniel Hannan's, and, failing to find one, resort to downplaying his credibility on the basis of practically nothing. Watching it I just think - Hannan - 10, Opponent - 0.

[MikeyS01]

Agreed, Hannan always seems to kick the other guys asses when he's debating them! lol maybe he should run for PM?

[NickDiPerna]

All these parties also believe the world is round. So does that mean I shouldn't trust any of them because they share a common ground?

[coltrane1966]

Daniel Hannan seems to be the only one left with any sense or integrity at all in the Conservative Party.