....... He was a general at the Confederacy side of the U.S he helped us even though Lincoln asked him to be the Unions General btw im watching this for my project on him!
Lee says he doesn't understand how a president could raise an army to invade his own country.
Lee is admitting that the south is union territory.
The North never mobilized for war until they were attacked at Fort Sumter. That is the reason the President built the army, not to attack, but to protect.
When the south seceded, it essentially stealing union land.
Every soldier takes an oath, Lee did and broke it by fighting for a foreign government.
@mrceebees14 When Lincoln asked his Cabinet if he should send supplies and troops to reinforce Sumter, only one said yes. The rest agreed that doing so would provoke an unnesseccary conflict, and that they should negotiate with the South, or even just surrender the Fort to prove their good will.
Lincoln needed an excuse to go to war. Sumter was his reason.
@Scorch247ftw I have studied this war for nearly 30 years and have never heard such a thing. Please post or PM me information that Lincoln asked his cabinet for such advice.
Anderson who commanded the Union force decided to move his troops into the fort and out of sight as to not provoke a fight. Beauregard who commanded the Southern army immediately started to set up cannons around the fort and "demanded" he Anderson surrender or be fired on.
@mrceebees14 I can't find the website right now. But the attack on Sumter, whether or not Lincoln goaded the South into attacking or not, was simply an excuse to get the people all riled up and ready to go to war.
The Confederacy definitely didn't approach the situation like it should have, but neither did the Union.
For all of Lincoln's faults, trying to cast blame on him for the start of the war is 100% wrong. If you want to cast blame, you don't have to look farther than the very small % of the rich land owners in the south at the time. Those more than anyone were the ones who told the north to go F themselves because they were 1) the richest in the nation 2) got rich off of the cotton gin which is why they absolutely needed slaves. The slave
@Scorch247ftw in the south doubled since the invention. That was the beginning of the end. The south looked for a reason, they said they were being taxed too much, which was a lie, the taxes were based on income and population. The north with 21 million paid for 70% of those taxes. Then they "demanded" new territories in the west be allowed to have slavery, the Union said no, the south went ahead and invaded those areas with anti-abolitionist that ended up with them murdering people.
@Scorch247ftw The fact is, the south was booming and making more money than they could count and did not want to be told what to do as far as making it. Slavery was not mentioned, but it was the base factor.
The south drew first blood, secession is treason and land stealing and no nation is going to stand for that...........especially when it comes to slavery.
The DOI of the Confederacy stated "Blacks are not equal to whites, they do not have the same rights." And it was SIGNED.
@mrceebees14 Lincoln himself wanted to send freed men over to Liberia. The Union started the war to preserve the Union, and the Emanicipation Proclomation was a political move to keep Britain from recognizing the CSA and to incite a rebellion. When the Proclomation went into effect it didn't free a single slave, and Union enlistments went down and desertions sky rocketed.
The abolition of slavery was a very good out come to the war, but the war wasn't started over that.
@Scorch247ftw The South started to war by proclaiming the North was over taxing them. They tried to make the North out to be just like the British so they would get sympathy. You don't know your history. Slavery was always an issue, but it wasn't mentioned outright until 1863. From 1861-1863 Lincoln TOLD Norther troops that 1) you are not to free blacks if you come across them and 2) If you come across run away blacks, you are to RETURN THEM TO THEIR MASTERS.
@Scorch247ftw It was General Butler who convinced the Union to free blacks they came across and put them to work for the Union doing only manual labor jobs.
@mrceebees14 Lee was hardly a hypocrite. When the war started it was over states rights, not slavery. The North wanted to stop the expansion of slavery, because they hated it as an economic system, not because they believed in equal rights.
Lee fought because he wouldn't sit by and watch his home be invaded. Lee was torn by his decision to join the Confederacy, but he knew it was the only choice he could make.
The freed blacks who fought are what convinced Lincoln that they deserved to...
Robert E. Lee was brilliant . He was only defeated because the invaders outnumbered him four and five to one . The South fought because it was invaded by a cruel enemy that waged war on civilians , burning , raping , looting and killing . The vast majority of Southerners did not own slaves . Lee urged the Jewish Confederate Secretary of State Judah Benjamin and the Confederate Congress to free the slaves . The South was fighting for independence .
@metalkrush77 Under normal circumstances I would agree with you but this war was a special case. The rebellion was so large and the animosity so deep in its aftermath that to serve Lee up to the hangman would have only made Reconstruction that much more difficult and painful. Lee instead was like Hirohito-deserving execution but essential to ruling post-war Japan. Lee's example after surrendering to Grant was sublime--Grant by the way whose uber-generous terms paved the way for reunion.
Lee was a great general yes, but he was very profligate with his men's lives...he in fact had the highest casualty rates of any general in command of an army on either side. He fought to defend an economy, a culture, an entire way of life built upon the institution of slavery and the notion of white supremecy and that should not be forgotten. Good men can fight for bad causes. In the end Lee lost to brilliant if less polished opponent in U.S. Grant--a man who know how to beat him and did.
@Shafeone Many consider Grant to be a great general because he beat Lee but he wasn't the best. He really won battles with brute force and frontal attacks because he knew he had more men than Lee and bassically tried many times to overun and destroy his forces or gain ground while losing many men especially in the Overland Campaign. Grant never used briliant tactics, he just tried to use tons of men and supplies to win.
@AUG351 Depends on the campaign. At Vicksburg he used manuever and speed to hem in Pemperton with his back to the river which set the stage for siege. In VA, he was facing a much more wiley foe but he was completely unintimidated...it was his willingness to go mano-mano against Lee in fact that made him so great. He saw the big picture. Against another genl. for example, Lee's Wilderness attacks would have been victories. Against Grant, just another fight. One he could afford the losses.
@Shafeone Gen Lee could not and would not fight againest his home state of Va..he had several childern and they lived in Va plus his and his wife s realitives lived in Va. I dont blame him , I would chose my family too. And yes, my ancestors..the ones I know of were TN and Al Confederates
General Lee was like the old and gentlemanly version of Alexander the great or perhaps Napoleon.
The charisma of a general endears the troops to believe and die for his cause no matter where he takes them. Alexander brought his troops all the way to the Indus River in India. Napoleon brought the la Grande Armee all the way to Moscow. General Lee brought his army all the way to the high water mark of the Confederacy at Gettysburg under the most hostile fire.
"Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he [Abraham Lincoln] shouldn't have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the — that iron, iron fist. " - Ron Paul 2012 presidential candidate
@metalkrush77 First off i have tremendous respect for you being a marine. One of my best friends is in too. anyways...if i were ordered to shoot at a passing bus in LA that posed no threat, I would feel betrayed by my gov/commanders. In the days of the civil war each state had their own army. When there was a need for soldiers the gov.would ASK the states for a specific amount of men but didnt have to send 1. The revolution was treason too. They fought for their homes/rights.
@metalkrush77 Peoples thought process was different back then. You fought for your state first, then your country second. Lets say your from St.Louis, the federal gov. starts marching troops though the streets shooting anything that moves because they refused to pay taxes. If you actually are a marine you probably would'nt take this sitting down. Now are you a traitor for fighting back against "foreign" invadors? I would argue that your a worse traitor if you fought your friends and family.
@rockinrobintweets They belonged to the United States of America before that. And the United States of America after the confederate states lost........without slavery.
@rockinrobintweets The American Civil War is in my blood, it's the reason my family came here from Germany with thousands of others because of the oppression they were getting back home(family is from Hamburg) I have my great, great Grandfather's complete uniform and musket rifle. Pictures and regimental banner from the 12th Pennsylvania.
Proud beyond words that my relative fought on the side of truth and justice against people like Lee who were hypocrites.
@mrceebees14 Gen Grant or at lest his wife owned slaves if you want to talk hyoceite in the highest degree. My ancestors were Confederates and I wasnt born until 90 years AFTER the war. Neither of us CHOSE our ancestors, they were GIVEN to us. I honnor my ancestors and am pround of them. My ancestors fought in every war begaining with the Rev. War. The South is in my blood as is Italy, my mom s side came in the 1880 s and 1890 s AFTER the war
@rockinrobintweets His wife's FAMILY owned slaves, she didn't. Bobby Lee married into wealth and he was totally against slavery, but like everyone did back then, they weren't open about it because it was just a fact of life that people learned to deal with.
But yet he fought FOR slavery essentially. It's a huge hypocrisy and one that can't be ignored.
@mrceebees14 Gen Grant fought againist slavery while he or his wife owned slaves SO if Gen Lee was a hypercrite so was Gen Grant, you cant pick and chose just because you personaly like one side and not the other. However if you know the first thing about Gen Lee he fought to protact his home, state and family ALL in Va. Mrs Lee was the great granddaughter of Martha Washington and step great granddaughter of Pres George Washington, slave owners
@rockinrobintweets You are an idiot. Grants wife's FAMILY OWNED SLAVES, he didn't live in Mossouri with the family, he lived in the North with his wife where there were no SLAVES. The only connection he had with slavery therefore is that his wife's family owned them and he had no doing with them. Lee on the other hand LIVED with slavery all around him and even though he despised it, he still fought for it under the guise that I am "fighting for my states rights," which was SLAVERY.
@mrceebees14 So, you alone are the world s leading exspert on the War Between The States and all it s key people, pleaseeeee. Gen Lee never saied he was fighting for his state s rights BUT he made it vary plain he would NOT fight againest HIS Va, family and home..huge differance. I do not deny slavery exsisted in the South but to lump every Confederate with pro slavery is insane and untrue. So, if someone or something threaten your spouse, childern you would do nothing,
@rockinrobintweets How much simplier does it have to be spelled out for you. The south DID NOT WANT TO GIVE UP SLAVERY. They were making gobs of money and life was good for the upper class, they made a heck of a-lot more then the highest ranking government officials in washington which was also a part of the problem, but had to do with personal egos. The cotton gin called for more slaves and the south wasn't going to give up its money maker. The declaration of independence that the south had
@rockinrobintweets drawn up said VERY clearly that "BLACKS ARE NOT EQUAL TO WHITES." It would be another 100 years before a black person could actually walk into the southern rest stop and get something to eat without being told to eat in the back or we will bring it out to you because you are a nigger.
Lee, like any soldier, took an oath. That oath is to protect and preserve the Union, he didn't do that and turned his back on the U.S. to form his own country within a country.
@mrceebees14 I hate to break it to you but this country was founded on treason if you want to go there. Can you say Boston Tea Party, Rev. War////// This colney was under Engish rule but the Colnist didnt like the laws, , didnt like being told how THEY should run things...hmmmmmmm sounding familer.
@mrceebees14 ...vote in the last year of his life. Lincoln wasn't the "Great Emancipator" that he's made out to be. It was only in the last year of his life that he came close to being that. He was still a good man, but he was no Saint.
@batalion666 General Lee did submit his resignation when he got the ANV back into Virginia. President Jefferson Davis, said/wrote, "I can not replace him". General made a big mistake at Gettysburg and they moved on.
@Redneck3141 Welll, Gen Lee had several childern, plus he had siblings, then there is is wife s side of the family... so yes it s vary posable to be related to the Gen
@Redneck3141 I agre. I am related to Cheif Justus John Marshall, his Aunt Sarah Marshall married to Robert Lovell 111 are my 6 th g grandparents so he is my cousin, 7 th or 8 th. cousin. I do my family genealogy so I know MOST people have realitives.
Desertion was epidemic in the Army of Northern Virginia, so bad that Lee ordered sharpshooters be stationed behind his lines to gun down men running away from the fighting. The great "love" Lee's men had for him didn't really come about until after the war was over and especially after Lee had died.
@40AcreMule Well not CONPLETELY true. When Gen Lee decided to surrender HIS MEN urged him not to THEY would fight for him. Gen Lee didnt want such a huge loss of life on both sides so ...... . But his men were WILLING to keep fighting for him AND the Cause. I have letters from my ancestors to prove it.
... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically.
@Fenix521 The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.
@Fenix521 Yanno I myself am from Michigan by upbringing and California by birth but I portray a confederate when I attend Civil War Reenactments. That being said I have never understood the hatred directed at the word "Redneck." It's a reference to hardworking people with sunburns on their necks from being out working all day. Why all the hatred from people, some of whom have never worked a day in their lives, towards hardworking folks with less money?
@TheTrohl Lee was a child torturing lunatic, a man who was obsessed with his light skinned slave girls, and paid six times his normal bounty to catch one girl, who he had tortured. He then sold her infant, a child who could pass for white.
@TheTrohl Lee was on the side of his HOME, like every other Southerner. When politicians push things to that point, what do they think is going to happen? Seriously?
TEll something: wasn´t the south the first to shoot in Fort Sumter? So we can say that the Confederates made the first move to invade the USA! Ain´t understand why Lee said the President raised an army to invade his own country. There was no other invader but the CSA.
TEll something: wasn´t the south the first to shoot in Fort Sumter? So we can say that the Confederates made the first move to invade the USA! Ain´t understand why Lee said the President raised an army to invade his oun country. There was no other invader but the CSA.
What he did was treason. He took an oath and when called by his country, he not only refused, but went against it. He was a great General who I admire a ton, but he should have been hung by that neck of his.
@mrceebees14 How can you lead an army against your home and family? His stance was to defend his home against and invading army. He had no choice. His situation was a Greek Tragey. Lee was a GREAT, GREAT man both in his career and as a human being. Hanging Lee would have Vietnamized this country in a way so severe that it would still be going on today. Thank God they knew better! Lee was as admired by his "enemies" as he was by his friends. You should read more about him.
@stellalouise1 The govt. paid for his training, took care of him and provided him with West Point. He swore an oath to defend the United States, not the Confederate States which in definition IS AN ALIEN COUNTRY and therefore by doing so is an act of treason. He not only disobeyed, but is responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Govt. troops who waved the flag he swore to protect.
@mrceebees14 Can you not understand that it is impossible to lead an army against your home? Lee's home was Virginia. Lee devoted his life to the American military, served in the Mexican American war and worked some of the most inhospitable outposts you can imagine. He was superintendant of West Point. The thanks he got for this was his state succeeding, a government that raised an army against his home state while stealing his house - Arlington. He had no choice. He was a truly great man.
@mrceebees14 You speak of Lee disobeying when the truth is that if anyone in the world ever did their duty in life, it was Robert E Lee. He did his duty in every circumstance, no matter what it cost him. How many people can say that? In his own words "I can not make up my mind to raise my sword against my home - Virginia". George Washington was a "traitor" too, according to you. You have a hard time putting yourself in someone else's shoes. It isn't hard. Learn the circumstances.
@stellalouise1 George Washington was a traitor.......and? But he did something Bobby Lee didn't........WIN the war. You bet your ass America would have failed, they would have executed every politician and then some when the British got their hands on them. The only reason Lee was not executed is because no one wanted anymore war, they wanted the South to come back into the Union at once and be done with it.
I did learn the circumstances you jack ass, learn common sense.
@mrceebees14 Actually, president Johnson and others did threaten to try and hang Lee but none other than Ulysses S Grant stood up to them and threatened to publicly oppose them if they attempted it. Why do you come to a site about Lee simply to disagree with well established historical facts and attempt to smear what Lincoln, Grant and countless other Union leaders recognized as a remarkable and respecable man? You are not fit to wipe Robert E Lee's ass.
@stellalouise1 My bad, when I meant hang I did not explain it. If they deem him unhonorable and not a soldier, then they would hang him. If they are willing to recognize him as a soldier, then he would have to be shot, hanging a soldier is disrespectful from a military point of view.
I would not wipe anyone's ass.
The fact is, Lee killed tens of thousands of Americans and he lost in the end. He could very easily be tried and either hung or shot. What I am saying is perfectly understandable.
@stellalouise1 It had nothing to do with "knowing better," as far as not trying Lee for treason and murder. It had everything to do with ending the war that the country on all sides, was sick of. Killing Lee would have made him a martyr, that was the last thing the North wanted, was to put a terrible resolve in the Southern population. They simply did not want any more fighting and if it meant Lee goes free, then so be it.
Had the war ended much sooner, they would have shot Lee.
Everyone always says Pickett's charge was an episode of suicidal devotion and hubris, but I think it was a good plan, it just faled tobe executed correctly. If Jeb Stuarts' cavalry had been able to get behind the union line, and th confederate artillery, had been more effective, I think the charge would have been successful.
If your ancestors were from the South and you love and respect the South, then I just want you to know that no matter were you were born, the people of the South consider you one of our own. God bless you and your family. Maybe one day you will be able to return to the homeland of your ancestors, DIXIE, the greatest place on God's green earth.
@ke4bss "Itchmyfoot" (Scroll all the way down) is another of is screen names. RonPaulHatesBlacks is his main screen name. If you get a chance, tap on RPHB'S profile, notice half of his friends, are really just himself? LOL
Well there are always two idiots on any given Civil War site and he is one.
@rebel2276 I agree with all you have said about Itchmyfoot/12FlyMe etc. but this sort of trash needs to be called down whenever it is posted. He is not alone, many of these great well educated historians Harvard and Yale types speak the same type of trash. If you actully believed in what these type of morons say about everything/anything Confederate as Myth? Then perhaps the Confederacy itself was a Myth and the CW never really happend?
@ke4bss I've have argued with him for years on this site. He does not know anything on the battles, refused to believe that General Grant and his wife, Julia Dent/Grant, owned slaves. Julia did not give up the house slaves till the Thirteenth Amendment, November 1865. Grant himself wrote, his memories, that he wished Julia would have freed the slaves sooner. So there is the big hero, General Grant on his slave crusade and all that time he had slaves at his own house. I enjoy the irony.
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The video is incorrect. First of all, LIncoln never offered Lee command at all.
There was a witness to this conversation -- General Thomas. He wrote about it at the time. Blair had met with Lee earlier that day, to see if he was going North or South. He would not commit either way. Lee then went to see Scott. Scott did NOT offer him command, in fact, Scott told him to go home and figure out which side he was no.
Later, others pumped this up, according to Thomas, who was there.
And we can tell what happened by what the SOUTH said at the time -- what the SOUTH said in their newspapers in their books, in their speeches in their documents.
@ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR True to all of that.. its because the president is just a puppet position.. the international bankers/ NEW WORLD ORDER are the ones that call the shots.. the last president that thought for himself and stood up to the bankers was jfk.. he wanted to end the federal reserve and we all know wat happened to him. the USA died when Lincoln was elected and turned the republic into an empire
@ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR hah no i havent but I could tell from the one comment i HAVE read on this page that you know your stuff and wanted to network with smart/rational/comptent people.. WE are an EXTREMEM MINORITY on here
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@cwbuff44 Lee was a child torturing lunatic, and the Scum sucking pigs of the South promised war if slavery was not SPREAD.
Got that you pieces of shit? Learn real history - -learn what the SOUTHERN leaders screamed from the rooftops -- spread slavery or have war. Learn the Southern Ultimatums. Learn about the torture of children, and how Lee sold WHITE children born to his mulatto slave girls.
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@cwbuff44 Lee was remaining loyal to his black pussy and money. He couldnt keep sellinng white looking babies born to his half white slave girls, if he went with Lincoln. He couldnt stay in the back of the troops, like the coward he always was, with Lincoln. He might actually have to be in a BATTLE if he went with the North.
But if he brown nosed Davis enough, he hoped to get out of battle entirely, which is what happened.
Lee was nothing -- and I mean nothing -- like the myth portrays
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@xXStefan90Xx Sorry dumb fuck, Lee had an obsession with young mulatto girls -- his slave girls. See his own handwritten account books. The guy was goofy. He paid six times his normal bounty to catch specific girls that escaped -- and then had one girl tortured, while he screamed at her.
@12FlyMe Mark, do you ever type anything new? You call this "Research"??? You just type the same shit over and over again for years. Did it ever occur to you that not many people really care about what you type? Not even historians care much about what General Lee did before the war or after the war. General Lee became famous DURING the war. There is no sources at all on Lee having babies with his black female slaves/servants. Prove me wrong Mark, find me the source.
@12FlyMe Don't respond back with your normal stupid shit, find me one single source, where it claims with proof that Robert E. Lee slept with even one of his female slaves/servants. Find me the source where he sold "A WHITE looking baby". Because that right there makes no sense, black and white make coco not WHITE. While your at it, why don't you lecture on George Washington and Thomas Jefferson who DID sleep with one of their female servants and had a baby with them.
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@rebel2276 I don't know if Lee screwed the young mulatto girls -- but he sure was obsessed with their recapture. He paid six times his normal bounty to catch one girl in particular -- WHY? WHy focus on her? When he got her back, he had her tortured while he screamed at her -- emotional attachment apparently. Then he sold her baby - a white looking child.
@12FlyMe Again, WHERE IS THE SOURCE? Can't you fucking read??? Just as I figured, no fucking sources at all, then you come on here making up more bullshit like usual. Again, in EASY English for you, FIND A SOURCE WHERE LEE HAD A BABY WITH ONE OF HIS FEMALE BLACK SERVANTS.
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@rebel2276 no one knows if he screwed her --- got that?
We know he was obsessed with her, we know he kept obsessive notes IN HIS OWN HANDWRITING in his own account books We know he paid six times his normal bounty to get her back. We know all that.
We know he had her tortured. We know she had a white looking child. We don't know if Lee was the father. WHo cares? He tortured her, he sold her baby, he was obsessed with her.
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@rebel2276 If you want a source for Lee's torture of one particular slave girl, and how he obsessed about her capture, paid six times his normal bounty for her return -- see the surpringly pro-Lee book "Reading the Man".
Or you can google "Lee's papers - Lee biographer Elizabeth Pryor has lifted the lid, but is 150 years too soon for us to look inside" Google that phrase. Then read the book.
@12FlyMe I know about Ms. Pryor's book. I want the SOURCE where you claim that Lee had a child with one of his slave/servants. Guess what idiot, that is NOT in Ms. Pryor's book. Since you only quote that book, I figured I would read that book. I'm always a few steps ahead of you Mark. So again, find that source, stop changing subjects. I don't care if Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Davis or any Jefferson did this or that. Nor do I care about Lee having two of his slaves that ran away whipped.
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@rebel2276 I didn't claim he had a child by his black girls. We know his mulatto slave girls had babies. We know at least one of those babies were white as your momma. Maybe more white!
But no one knows if Lee butt fucked her or pussy fucked her. He might have been gay, and butt fucked the boy slaves --we don't know.
But we know he tortured the slave girls, and we know he sold the white baby born to the light colored slave girl.
@12FlyMe Changing your story when I called you out? lol. It would be best if you just used the same screen name and not "RonPaulHatesBlacks". Your not fooling anyone, give it up. Make sure to reply back on two accounts now! lol
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@rebel2276 what a tard, you are proud of Lee the child torturer? The man who paid six times his normal bounty to catch young girls, 12-14 years old, and then screamed at them while he paid someone to torture them? This is your hero?
I never said he was the father of her white looking baby --I just know he had her tortured, and then sold the white looking baby.
That was your HERO! Funny bunch of lunatics, Southern apologist.
@12FlyMe I had to laugh, when I saw you send me a message, so you just bounce back and forth with "RonPaulHatesBlacks" and "12FlyMe". lol Ok now, switch back to "RonPaulHatesBlacks!"
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@rebel2276 No, dumb ass, I had a lot of screen names, but use only two or three now. I almost never even know which one I'm in, doesn't matter, i just repsond to people, and check the emails.
But I am not RPHB, he is an entirely diffferent guy. I don't even see him posting anymore -- but he was very smart, he knew his stuff about the scum sucking Southern leaders, he wasn't fooled by the shit taught in our schools, and he knew the Southern apologists are full of shit.
@12FlyMe Do yourself a favor and just stay with one single screen name, duh. RPHB is you, stop denying it, many other people long have known that. Your not fooling anyone. You should do some REAL research and realize that the US. Government covered up the war. Instead of wasting your time typing the same shit year after year on this site. I highly doubt you even own one single Civil War book.
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@rebel2276 What a dumb fuck, if I was RBHB, I would say so.
The only cover up you retard is of the Southern pussies --- your army deserted, your own leaders ran like pussies, Davis and Lee. Davis was caught in a dress -- his own wife admitted it. It was HER dress. You fucks covered up Lee's torture of young girls, and your own Ultimatums to spread slavery.
You were cowards and you got your ass beat, and for 150 years you have been crying about it.
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@rebel2276 I almost never rate videos, dumb ass, I can't remember the last time I did for a history video.
I do rate trumpet videos, cause I have kids that are into music, and we watch those kids of you tube vids.
I have done likes or dislikes - but honestly, I can't remember the last time I even thought about rating those. The only reason I rate the trumpet ones, my kids will say "Vote that thumbs up".
SO you don't have a fucking clue -- yet you are certain. Typical idiot.
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@rebel2276 I thought the Davis in the Dress story was nonsense - a cartoon thing only, that NO one took seriously even then. Then I read his own wife's letter to the Blairs -- fuck yes, he was in a dress. SHe spends have her letter, a week after the event, talking about what he wore. Fucking hell, if he didn't have a dress on, why write about it on, and on? Plus, she SAYS that she called out "Its my mother" so the soldiers would leave him alone. Read her fucking letter, amazing.
@12FlyMe I thought Lincoln having to hide out on the train he took from Sprigfield, Illinois to Washington City was funny enough. The day when a President would have to hide on a train, lol.
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@rebel2276 Presidents hide all the time dumb ass --
And LIncoln stood his ground while bullets flew past -- lliterally. Neither Davis nor Lee ever got near live battle --did you know that? Funny shit, Lee and Davis both ran like pussies from Richmond. The South had very brave soldiers (the ones that didn't desert) -but your two top leaders were pesonal cowards. Lee ran off and surrendered, Davis ran away in a dress. Somehow you fucks have turned those guys into icons
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@rebel2276 You simply don't give a shit whats true, moron. WHich is fine, I admire people who say, fuck it, I dont care what is true, this is what I want to believe.
But Southern apologist simply don't care what's true. Their own newspapers, speeches, books, their own documents prove they went to war to spread slavery, they tortured children sold babies, and said God told them to. They got their ass kicked and you fucks have cried about it for 150 years.
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@rebel2276 Notice the fucktards who claim Davis didn't wear a dress? No one even gives a shit, there isn't people trying to shame Davis about it. I would wear a dress to stay alive, fuck yeah. The funny thing isn't the dress, it's the pussies that deny it. They never, and I mean NEVER, even mention his wife saying he was her MOTHER. That is what his wife said - in her own fucking letter -- that she tried to pass him off as her MOTHER. Why do you fucktards not deal with HER letter?
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@rebel2276 Did I say he had a child by her? I don't know. SHe had a VERY white looking child -- there were apparently several "white negro" slave babies on Lee's slave plantation. I don't know if he was the father.
But I know he was obsessed with these mulatto girls -- he paid six times his normal bounty to get one back. Why? Why did he keep such extensive notes about this one girl? He then had her tortured.
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@rebel2276 you stupid fuck -- there were mulatto girls -- very light skinned slaves. THEY got fucked and had babies. There is a picture of one of these girls -- the infants -- in the book "Reading the Man"
She is a slave girl -- looks as white as your momma. Go see the fucking picture! She is sitting on her "grandpa's" lap. That guy is dark as ace of spades, but the girl is white looking. Go fucking SEE.
That white looking baby was a slave -- and Lee SOLD HER.
@12FlyMe Still no source on Lee "Sleeping with his black servants" and having "White babies?" No source Mark? lol. Take your time Mark, you will never find any information that Robert E. Lee did that. But prove me wrong though. Just provide one single source. You can type all the bullshit you want, but find me a source.
@xXStefan90Xx "12FlyMe" is "RonPaulHatesBlacks" and his other 50 sock accounts. He mentally screwed up in the head. Just ignore the troll and let me deal with him.
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@johan12564 Also, Lee stayed IN US uniform for months -- all the time knowing he would be with the South.
Lee spoke with Davis over Christmas (apparently) about a military coup if LIncoln took office.. At that moment, Lee should have resigned his commission - OR arrested Davis. He did neither.
He stayed in uniform -- even accepted a promotion from LIncoln to full colonel. This was AFTER he knew about the plot. That is treason -- other men found out and resigned honorably. Not Lee.
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@johan12564 I have no problem with Lee siding with the South.
My problem with Lee is his torture of slave girls, age 13, having them whipped while he screamed at them.
My problem is Lee' selling white babies that came from his mulatto slave girls. Learn what this man really was -- a child torturer and a coward, a personal coward. Nothing like the South has pretended for 150 years.
Lee had a slave master psychology. Regardless of what Lee said, his actions speak; they cannot be denied. Lee led an army that tried to break my country apart. Lee owned and tortured (via flogging) my fellow human beings and said it was OK because the law was so; he fought a war to preserve that legal fallacy. Lee killed 40 of his own men by hanging in Sept. of 1863 for wanting to return to their families instead of kill people they didn't know and be killed by them. Robert E. Lee was evil.
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@parafleet Lee tortured slave girls and said God intended slavery to be painful to slaves -- including young girls.
He had them tortured, while he screamed at them. He got off on it! He paid six times his normal bounty to capture certain girls (he was obsessed with one near-white slave girl). When he finally got her back, he had her tortured, and sold her white looking baby.
Old goofy Martin Sheen did a good job here. He supported Janet Reno's disastrous campaign for Gov of Florida some years back. She should have thought that one out.
Gen Lee a master of the English language--read his farewell adress to his troops. Quite the equal of Lincoln. But he was a general without peer.
Trolls and other nuts who don't like what I say here: please don't respond. I will delete any you post.
@PrebateNonsense That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Please document it... I'll wait... Even if your false story held water, Lee would have also known, it's only treason if you lose. To Great Britain, George Washington was a traitor, but to us he is the Father of our country. It's all relative. None of this though, changes the FACT, that most southerners felt that they owed their services to their state first, and union second.
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@cwbuff44 Well,sorta true there are a few OTHER things you didnt know. You didn't know Lee tortured girls or kept obsessive notes in his account books, offering six times his normal bounty, and sold white looking babies.
But there is a lot more you don't know, For example, most Southern soldiers deserted. Over 300,000 SOuthern men fought for the NORTH -- for one thing. Gee- they didn't tell you tards that. And over 400,000 deserted.
@12FlyMe actually I know all about the statistics of the war. I'm a history PhD.. So call me crazy for considering myself slightly above the intelligence of your average "tard," probably even above you. Actually I knew about everything you mentioned.. I believe you're referring to Lee and his punishment of his slaves correct? Their is one story in particular about his treatment of a slave girl. The things he did were clearly wrong by today's standards, but back then that's what people of that
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@cwbuff44 no you stupid fuck -- by standards THEN Lee was a cock sucking bastard. Not many masters sold the infants -- Lee did it regularly you stupid shit. Not many masters personally screamed at young girls while he had them tortured -- Lee did. Not many masters had virtually all their slaves risk life and torture to run away -- Lee's did.
Learn real history you piece of shit. Go read " Readinng the Man" for a start.
@12FlyMe society viewed as acceptable, and sometimes appropriate. That is FACT. Doesn't make it right, simply fact. Before you attempt to go tell me what I do and don't know about you should spend you're time doing something more valuable. Let me ask you a question. What do you think of our country today? A country which condones torture? If Lee was so evil for it, what does that say about us today? And what are you going to do to correct it?
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@cwbuff44 wrong dumb fuck -- it was NOT acceptable to sell babies you stupid fuck - only the really cruel fucks would do that, like Lee. Only real cruel masters would torture young girls, -- Lee did. Only cruel masters would take the babies from the mother, and beat the mother for crying, like Lee did.
@12FlyMe By the way, you make yourself sound very uneducated, even if you state something that is fact, when you say stuff like "tards" and "learn real history." Especially when you say it to me, after having spent my life reading hundreds of books on the Civil War. You can criticize Lee all you want, but if you call him names you better be calling Lincoln the same names. This goes for most of the leaders in the war, they were all human.
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@oXMEZAXo Lee was there you stupid shit - and his OWN hand written account books show he sold white looking babies born to his mulatto slave girls, and that he paid to have young girls stripped and tortured.
Got that you stupid fuck? Lee was there, and his own handwritten notations show what went on.
Robert E. Lee and Ron Paul are 2 of my favorite folks.
MrBeaukinz 2 weeks ago
Hero!
doczg88 3 weeks ago
The Great General !!!!!!!
someoneold 1 month ago
Happy birthday General Lee, to this day, you are a role model to so many of us! Thank you sir, thank you.
rise54321 1 month ago 4
HAPPY 205TH BIRTHDAY GENERAL
Redneck3141 1 month ago 3
I understand Martin Luther King Jr. meant a lot to this country, but it's a shame General Robert Lee's day of celebration is overlooked like it is.
spacitydrummer4JC 1 month ago 7
Happy Robert E Lee Day!!!! Lee was a TRULY great man!!!
ThusSpakeDenise 1 month ago
....... He was a general at the Confederacy side of the U.S he helped us even though Lincoln asked him to be the Unions General btw im watching this for my project on him!
SparkleMyButt 1 month ago 2
what movie is this????
swordsallday 1 month ago
what movie is this
swordsallday 1 month ago
@swordsallday it's God's and generals.
TheJohnSierra117 1 month ago
my good friend joshua lee is the direct decendant of mr robert e lee
swordsallday 1 month ago
He was an idiot
doctorseaweed2 2 months ago
Lee says he doesn't understand how a president could raise an army to invade his own country.
Lee is admitting that the south is union territory.
The North never mobilized for war until they were attacked at Fort Sumter. That is the reason the President built the army, not to attack, but to protect.
When the south seceded, it essentially stealing union land.
Every soldier takes an oath, Lee did and broke it by fighting for a foreign government.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 When Lincoln asked his Cabinet if he should send supplies and troops to reinforce Sumter, only one said yes. The rest agreed that doing so would provoke an unnesseccary conflict, and that they should negotiate with the South, or even just surrender the Fort to prove their good will.
Lincoln needed an excuse to go to war. Sumter was his reason.
Scorch247ftw 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw I have studied this war for nearly 30 years and have never heard such a thing. Please post or PM me information that Lincoln asked his cabinet for such advice.
Anderson who commanded the Union force decided to move his troops into the fort and out of sight as to not provoke a fight. Beauregard who commanded the Southern army immediately started to set up cannons around the fort and "demanded" he Anderson surrender or be fired on.
Anderson did not surrender.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw A southerner gave the order to fire, the south fired on a nation troops which in any country means "you want to go to war."
Please forward me your proof, because this "Lincoln goaded the south into the war," is incorrect from all of the studies I have done on this war.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 I can't find the website right now. But the attack on Sumter, whether or not Lincoln goaded the South into attacking or not, was simply an excuse to get the people all riled up and ready to go to war.
The Confederacy definitely didn't approach the situation like it should have, but neither did the Union.
Scorch247ftw 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw No such information exists is why.
For all of Lincoln's faults, trying to cast blame on him for the start of the war is 100% wrong. If you want to cast blame, you don't have to look farther than the very small % of the rich land owners in the south at the time. Those more than anyone were the ones who told the north to go F themselves because they were 1) the richest in the nation 2) got rich off of the cotton gin which is why they absolutely needed slaves. The slave
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw in the south doubled since the invention. That was the beginning of the end. The south looked for a reason, they said they were being taxed too much, which was a lie, the taxes were based on income and population. The north with 21 million paid for 70% of those taxes. Then they "demanded" new territories in the west be allowed to have slavery, the Union said no, the south went ahead and invaded those areas with anti-abolitionist that ended up with them murdering people.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw The fact is, the south was booming and making more money than they could count and did not want to be told what to do as far as making it. Slavery was not mentioned, but it was the base factor.
The south drew first blood, secession is treason and land stealing and no nation is going to stand for that...........especially when it comes to slavery.
The DOI of the Confederacy stated "Blacks are not equal to whites, they do not have the same rights." And it was SIGNED.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 Lincoln himself wanted to send freed men over to Liberia. The Union started the war to preserve the Union, and the Emanicipation Proclomation was a political move to keep Britain from recognizing the CSA and to incite a rebellion. When the Proclomation went into effect it didn't free a single slave, and Union enlistments went down and desertions sky rocketed.
The abolition of slavery was a very good out come to the war, but the war wasn't started over that.
Scorch247ftw 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw The South started to war by proclaiming the North was over taxing them. They tried to make the North out to be just like the British so they would get sympathy. You don't know your history. Slavery was always an issue, but it wasn't mentioned outright until 1863. From 1861-1863 Lincoln TOLD Norther troops that 1) you are not to free blacks if you come across them and 2) If you come across run away blacks, you are to RETURN THEM TO THEIR MASTERS.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@Scorch247ftw It was General Butler who convinced the Union to free blacks they came across and put them to work for the Union doing only manual labor jobs.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 Lee was hardly a hypocrite. When the war started it was over states rights, not slavery. The North wanted to stop the expansion of slavery, because they hated it as an economic system, not because they believed in equal rights.
Lee fought because he wouldn't sit by and watch his home be invaded. Lee was torn by his decision to join the Confederacy, but he knew it was the only choice he could make.
The freed blacks who fought are what convinced Lincoln that they deserved to...
Scorch247ftw 1 month ago
If we talk about traitors remember that benedict arnold is from yankeeland not from Dixieland.
smrt1111111111111 2 months ago
Robert E. Lee was brilliant . He was only defeated because the invaders outnumbered him four and five to one . The South fought because it was invaded by a cruel enemy that waged war on civilians , burning , raping , looting and killing . The vast majority of Southerners did not own slaves . Lee urged the Jewish Confederate Secretary of State Judah Benjamin and the Confederate Congress to free the slaves . The South was fighting for independence .
ROBSTODDARDWRITER 2 months ago
This guy was a traitor. Thank GOD the good guys won.
Varangian1915 3 months ago
I'm not american , but I respect the good generals and Robert E. Lee is the greatest GENERAL that I know about .
vindithebomb 3 months ago
@metalkrush77 Under normal circumstances I would agree with you but this war was a special case. The rebellion was so large and the animosity so deep in its aftermath that to serve Lee up to the hangman would have only made Reconstruction that much more difficult and painful. Lee instead was like Hirohito-deserving execution but essential to ruling post-war Japan. Lee's example after surrendering to Grant was sublime--Grant by the way whose uber-generous terms paved the way for reunion.
Shafeone 3 months ago
Lee was a great general yes, but he was very profligate with his men's lives...he in fact had the highest casualty rates of any general in command of an army on either side. He fought to defend an economy, a culture, an entire way of life built upon the institution of slavery and the notion of white supremecy and that should not be forgotten. Good men can fight for bad causes. In the end Lee lost to brilliant if less polished opponent in U.S. Grant--a man who know how to beat him and did.
Shafeone 3 months ago
@Shafeone Many consider Grant to be a great general because he beat Lee but he wasn't the best. He really won battles with brute force and frontal attacks because he knew he had more men than Lee and bassically tried many times to overun and destroy his forces or gain ground while losing many men especially in the Overland Campaign. Grant never used briliant tactics, he just tried to use tons of men and supplies to win.
AUG351 3 months ago
@AUG351 Depends on the campaign. At Vicksburg he used manuever and speed to hem in Pemperton with his back to the river which set the stage for siege. In VA, he was facing a much more wiley foe but he was completely unintimidated...it was his willingness to go mano-mano against Lee in fact that made him so great. He saw the big picture. Against another genl. for example, Lee's Wilderness attacks would have been victories. Against Grant, just another fight. One he could afford the losses.
Shafeone 2 months ago
@Shafeone Gen Lee could not and would not fight againest his home state of Va..he had several childern and they lived in Va plus his and his wife s realitives lived in Va. I dont blame him , I would chose my family too. And yes, my ancestors..the ones I know of were TN and Al Confederates
rockinrobintweets 2 months ago
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Shafeone 3 months ago
@metalkrush77 hey you sum bitch thats my relative you cocksucker watch what you say around these videos k
TheRoswellarea51 3 months ago
General Lee was like the old and gentlemanly version of Alexander the great or perhaps Napoleon.
The charisma of a general endears the troops to believe and die for his cause no matter where he takes them. Alexander brought his troops all the way to the Indus River in India. Napoleon brought the la Grande Armee all the way to Moscow. General Lee brought his army all the way to the high water mark of the Confederacy at Gettysburg under the most hostile fire.
ConstantineJoseph 4 months ago
@ConstantineJoseph Yes and the men suffered dearly for their generals' hubris.
Shafeone 3 months ago
"Six hundred thousand Americans died in a senseless civil war. No, he [Abraham Lincoln] shouldn't have gone, gone to war. He did this just to enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic. I mean, it was the — that iron, iron fist. " - Ron Paul 2012 presidential candidate
Sistarovat 4 months ago
@metalkrush77 First off i have tremendous respect for you being a marine. One of my best friends is in too. anyways...if i were ordered to shoot at a passing bus in LA that posed no threat, I would feel betrayed by my gov/commanders. In the days of the civil war each state had their own army. When there was a need for soldiers the gov.would ASK the states for a specific amount of men but didnt have to send 1. The revolution was treason too. They fought for their homes/rights.
lgvamos3 4 months ago
@metalkrush77 Peoples thought process was different back then. You fought for your state first, then your country second. Lets say your from St.Louis, the federal gov. starts marching troops though the streets shooting anything that moves because they refused to pay taxes. If you actually are a marine you probably would'nt take this sitting down. Now are you a traitor for fighting back against "foreign" invadors? I would argue that your a worse traitor if you fought your friends and family.
lgvamos3 4 months ago
@metalkrush77 which country? the US split in half how can you blame him for fighting for his home
lgvamos3 4 months ago
@lgvamos3 Exactly. My ancestors belonged to the CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA..Tx., Tn., Al and a few in Va.
rockinrobintweets 2 months ago
@rockinrobintweets They belonged to the United States of America before that. And the United States of America after the confederate states lost........without slavery.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 And they FOUGHT for thier home states and sided with THIER family in the CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA
rockinrobintweets 2 months ago
@rockinrobintweets God and Country first, those are a soldiers "family."
He was a traitor who committed treason and fought for the land stealers of the south.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@rockinrobintweets The American Civil War is in my blood, it's the reason my family came here from Germany with thousands of others because of the oppression they were getting back home(family is from Hamburg) I have my great, great Grandfather's complete uniform and musket rifle. Pictures and regimental banner from the 12th Pennsylvania.
Proud beyond words that my relative fought on the side of truth and justice against people like Lee who were hypocrites.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
@mrceebees14 Gen Grant or at lest his wife owned slaves if you want to talk hyoceite in the highest degree. My ancestors were Confederates and I wasnt born until 90 years AFTER the war. Neither of us CHOSE our ancestors, they were GIVEN to us. I honnor my ancestors and am pround of them. My ancestors fought in every war begaining with the Rev. War. The South is in my blood as is Italy, my mom s side came in the 1880 s and 1890 s AFTER the war
rockinrobintweets 1 month ago
@rockinrobintweets His wife's FAMILY owned slaves, she didn't. Bobby Lee married into wealth and he was totally against slavery, but like everyone did back then, they weren't open about it because it was just a fact of life that people learned to deal with.
But yet he fought FOR slavery essentially. It's a huge hypocrisy and one that can't be ignored.
mrceebees14 1 month ago
@mrceebees14 Gen Grant fought againist slavery while he or his wife owned slaves SO if Gen Lee was a hypercrite so was Gen Grant, you cant pick and chose just because you personaly like one side and not the other. However if you know the first thing about Gen Lee he fought to protact his home, state and family ALL in Va. Mrs Lee was the great granddaughter of Martha Washington and step great granddaughter of Pres George Washington, slave owners
rockinrobintweets 1 month ago
@rockinrobintweets You are an idiot. Grants wife's FAMILY OWNED SLAVES, he didn't live in Mossouri with the family, he lived in the North with his wife where there were no SLAVES. The only connection he had with slavery therefore is that his wife's family owned them and he had no doing with them. Lee on the other hand LIVED with slavery all around him and even though he despised it, he still fought for it under the guise that I am "fighting for my states rights," which was SLAVERY.
mrceebees14 1 month ago
@mrceebees14 So, you alone are the world s leading exspert on the War Between The States and all it s key people, pleaseeeee. Gen Lee never saied he was fighting for his state s rights BUT he made it vary plain he would NOT fight againest HIS Va, family and home..huge differance. I do not deny slavery exsisted in the South but to lump every Confederate with pro slavery is insane and untrue. So, if someone or something threaten your spouse, childern you would do nothing,
rockinrobintweets 1 month ago
@rockinrobintweets How much simplier does it have to be spelled out for you. The south DID NOT WANT TO GIVE UP SLAVERY. They were making gobs of money and life was good for the upper class, they made a heck of a-lot more then the highest ranking government officials in washington which was also a part of the problem, but had to do with personal egos. The cotton gin called for more slaves and the south wasn't going to give up its money maker. The declaration of independence that the south had
mrceebees14 1 month ago
@rockinrobintweets drawn up said VERY clearly that "BLACKS ARE NOT EQUAL TO WHITES." It would be another 100 years before a black person could actually walk into the southern rest stop and get something to eat without being told to eat in the back or we will bring it out to you because you are a nigger.
Lee, like any soldier, took an oath. That oath is to protect and preserve the Union, he didn't do that and turned his back on the U.S. to form his own country within a country.
That is TREASON
mrceebees14 1 month ago
@mrceebees14 I hate to break it to you but this country was founded on treason if you want to go there. Can you say Boston Tea Party, Rev. War////// This colney was under Engish rule but the Colnist didnt like the laws, , didnt like being told how THEY should run things...hmmmmmmm sounding familer.
rockinrobintweets 1 month ago
@mrceebees14 ...vote in the last year of his life. Lincoln wasn't the "Great Emancipator" that he's made out to be. It was only in the last year of his life that he came close to being that. He was still a good man, but he was no Saint.
Scorch247ftw 1 month ago
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360Nomad 4 months ago
after Gettysburg he should be immedietly fired
batalion666 5 months ago
@batalion666 General Lee did submit his resignation when he got the ANV back into Virginia. President Jefferson Davis, said/wrote, "I can not replace him". General made a big mistake at Gettysburg and they moved on.
rebel2276 5 months ago
Whether anyone believes me or not I am actually related to Robert E Lee
Redneck3141 6 months ago
@Redneck3141 Welll, Gen Lee had several childern, plus he had siblings, then there is is wife s side of the family... so yes it s vary posable to be related to the Gen
rockinrobintweets 2 months ago
@rockinrobintweets yes it sure is and many believe its impossible but hey the same can be said bout any famous person
Redneck3141 2 months ago
@Redneck3141 I agre. I am related to Cheif Justus John Marshall, his Aunt Sarah Marshall married to Robert Lovell 111 are my 6 th g grandparents so he is my cousin, 7 th or 8 th. cousin. I do my family genealogy so I know MOST people have realitives.
rockinrobintweets 2 months ago
Desertion was epidemic in the Army of Northern Virginia, so bad that Lee ordered sharpshooters be stationed behind his lines to gun down men running away from the fighting. The great "love" Lee's men had for him didn't really come about until after the war was over and especially after Lee had died.
40AcreMule 6 months ago
@40AcreMule Well not CONPLETELY true. When Gen Lee decided to surrender HIS MEN urged him not to THEY would fight for him. Gen Lee didnt want such a huge loss of life on both sides so ...... . But his men were WILLING to keep fighting for him AND the Cause. I have letters from my ancestors to prove it.
rockinrobintweets 2 months ago
this stuff brings shivers down my spine (being a Tennessean)
PoconoSteve59 6 months ago
... In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically.
Fenix521 6 months ago
@Fenix521 The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.
THATS the FULL QUOTE YOU FUCKING REDNECK
Fenix521 6 months ago
@Fenix521 Yanno I myself am from Michigan by upbringing and California by birth but I portray a confederate when I attend Civil War Reenactments. That being said I have never understood the hatred directed at the word "Redneck." It's a reference to hardworking people with sunburns on their necks from being out working all day. Why all the hatred from people, some of whom have never worked a day in their lives, towards hardworking folks with less money?
TerryLorakh 5 months ago
Robert E. Lee was a great man! respect from england
seal201111 6 months ago
Beware of the Man on the Pale horse ,who's face was Death and with him HELL followed.
dsa4898 7 months ago
Robert E. Lee was a great man, it's a shame that he stood on the wrong side.
TheTrohl 7 months ago
@TheTrohl Lee was a child torturing lunatic, a man who was obsessed with his light skinned slave girls, and paid six times his normal bounty to catch one girl, who he had tortured. He then sold her infant, a child who could pass for white.
Lee was nothing like we have been told.
ItchMyFoot 6 months ago
@TheTrohl Lee was on the side of his HOME, like every other Southerner. When politicians push things to that point, what do they think is going to happen? Seriously?
stellalouise1 6 months ago
Lee would have been a better general if he would have punished his men when they where insubordinant instead of just letting it go.
cecobb12 7 months ago
UM VERDADEIRO HEROI SE CONHECE NAO PELA SUA FORÇA MAS SIM PELA CORAGEM EM SEU CORAÇAO.A WORLD WITHOUT HEROES...
SuperOpala4100 8 months ago
TEll something: wasn´t the south the first to shoot in Fort Sumter? So we can say that the Confederates made the first move to invade the USA! Ain´t understand why Lee said the President raised an army to invade his own country. There was no other invader but the CSA.
expertron 8 months ago
TEll something: wasn´t the south the first to shoot in Fort Sumter? So we can say that the Confederates made the first move to invade the USA! Ain´t understand why Lee said the President raised an army to invade his oun country. There was no other invader but the CSA.
expertron 8 months ago
Robert E. Lee should have been tried and hung.
What he did was treason. He took an oath and when called by his country, he not only refused, but went against it. He was a great General who I admire a ton, but he should have been hung by that neck of his.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
@mrceebees14 How can you lead an army against your home and family? His stance was to defend his home against and invading army. He had no choice. His situation was a Greek Tragey. Lee was a GREAT, GREAT man both in his career and as a human being. Hanging Lee would have Vietnamized this country in a way so severe that it would still be going on today. Thank God they knew better! Lee was as admired by his "enemies" as he was by his friends. You should read more about him.
stellalouise1 8 months ago
@stellalouise1 The govt. paid for his training, took care of him and provided him with West Point. He swore an oath to defend the United States, not the Confederate States which in definition IS AN ALIEN COUNTRY and therefore by doing so is an act of treason. He not only disobeyed, but is responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of Govt. troops who waved the flag he swore to protect.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
@mrceebees14 Can you not understand that it is impossible to lead an army against your home? Lee's home was Virginia. Lee devoted his life to the American military, served in the Mexican American war and worked some of the most inhospitable outposts you can imagine. He was superintendant of West Point. The thanks he got for this was his state succeeding, a government that raised an army against his home state while stealing his house - Arlington. He had no choice. He was a truly great man.
stellalouise1 8 months ago
@mrceebees14 You speak of Lee disobeying when the truth is that if anyone in the world ever did their duty in life, it was Robert E Lee. He did his duty in every circumstance, no matter what it cost him. How many people can say that? In his own words "I can not make up my mind to raise my sword against my home - Virginia". George Washington was a "traitor" too, according to you. You have a hard time putting yourself in someone else's shoes. It isn't hard. Learn the circumstances.
stellalouise1 8 months ago
@stellalouise1 George Washington was a traitor.......and? But he did something Bobby Lee didn't........WIN the war. You bet your ass America would have failed, they would have executed every politician and then some when the British got their hands on them. The only reason Lee was not executed is because no one wanted anymore war, they wanted the South to come back into the Union at once and be done with it.
I did learn the circumstances you jack ass, learn common sense.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
@mrceebees14 Actually, president Johnson and others did threaten to try and hang Lee but none other than Ulysses S Grant stood up to them and threatened to publicly oppose them if they attempted it. Why do you come to a site about Lee simply to disagree with well established historical facts and attempt to smear what Lincoln, Grant and countless other Union leaders recognized as a remarkable and respecable man? You are not fit to wipe Robert E Lee's ass.
stellalouise1 8 months ago
@stellalouise1 My bad, when I meant hang I did not explain it. If they deem him unhonorable and not a soldier, then they would hang him. If they are willing to recognize him as a soldier, then he would have to be shot, hanging a soldier is disrespectful from a military point of view.
I would not wipe anyone's ass.
The fact is, Lee killed tens of thousands of Americans and he lost in the end. He could very easily be tried and either hung or shot. What I am saying is perfectly understandable.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
@stellalouise1 IF you use that lump 2-3 feet above your ass.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
@mrceebees14 Stupid troll. Finish your homework and go to bed.
stellalouise1 8 months ago
@stellalouise1 Nice intelligent response.
You lose.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
@stellalouise1 It had nothing to do with "knowing better," as far as not trying Lee for treason and murder. It had everything to do with ending the war that the country on all sides, was sick of. Killing Lee would have made him a martyr, that was the last thing the North wanted, was to put a terrible resolve in the Southern population. They simply did not want any more fighting and if it meant Lee goes free, then so be it.
Had the war ended much sooner, they would have shot Lee.
mrceebees14 8 months ago
Robert E. Lee = Surrender Monkey.
40AcreMule 9 months ago
Everyone always says Pickett's charge was an episode of suicidal devotion and hubris, but I think it was a good plan, it just faled tobe executed correctly. If Jeb Stuarts' cavalry had been able to get behind the union line, and th confederate artillery, had been more effective, I think the charge would have been successful.
skip8619 9 months ago
I know my ancestors were in the Confederate Army I'am from California but my heart belong to Dixie
The South Will Rise Again
woodcchuck2020 9 months ago
@woodcchuck2020
If your ancestors were from the South and you love and respect the South, then I just want you to know that no matter were you were born, the people of the South consider you one of our own. God bless you and your family. Maybe one day you will be able to return to the homeland of your ancestors, DIXIE, the greatest place on God's green earth.
cujo53 9 months ago 2
u know whos running this county is the jews..
TheBellhelicopterman 9 months ago
12FlyMe is a Faggot like his President, honest Abe Lincoln. Puff on, Puff on!
ke4bss 10 months ago 19
@ke4bss He uses at least 60 different accounts on here. To top that off the idiot moved down to TEXAS and retired, lol. Just ignore the troll.
rebel2276 6 months ago
@ke4bss "Itchmyfoot" (Scroll all the way down) is another of is screen names. RonPaulHatesBlacks is his main screen name. If you get a chance, tap on RPHB'S profile, notice half of his friends, are really just himself? LOL
Well there are always two idiots on any given Civil War site and he is one.
rebel2276 6 months ago
@rebel2276 I agree with all you have said about Itchmyfoot/12FlyMe etc. but this sort of trash needs to be called down whenever it is posted. He is not alone, many of these great well educated historians Harvard and Yale types speak the same type of trash. If you actully believed in what these type of morons say about everything/anything Confederate as Myth? Then perhaps the Confederacy itself was a Myth and the CW never really happend?
ke4bss 6 months ago
@ke4bss I've have argued with him for years on this site. He does not know anything on the battles, refused to believe that General Grant and his wife, Julia Dent/Grant, owned slaves. Julia did not give up the house slaves till the Thirteenth Amendment, November 1865. Grant himself wrote, his memories, that he wished Julia would have freed the slaves sooner. So there is the big hero, General Grant on his slave crusade and all that time he had slaves at his own house. I enjoy the irony.
rebel2276 5 months ago
@ke4bss Union won, get over it.
mrceebees14 2 months ago
lee was awsome.
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ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 10 months ago 12
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The video is incorrect. First of all, LIncoln never offered Lee command at all.
There was a witness to this conversation -- General Thomas. He wrote about it at the time. Blair had met with Lee earlier that day, to see if he was going North or South. He would not commit either way. Lee then went to see Scott. Scott did NOT offer him command, in fact, Scott told him to go home and figure out which side he was no.
Later, others pumped this up, according to Thomas, who was there.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR No you stupid fuck -- history is what happened.
And we can tell what happened by what the SOUTH said at the time -- what the SOUTH said in their newspapers in their books, in their speeches in their documents.
To hard for you to grasp?
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 10 months ago 15
@ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR True to all of that.. its because the president is just a puppet position.. the international bankers/ NEW WORLD ORDER are the ones that call the shots.. the last president that thought for himself and stood up to the bankers was jfk.. he wanted to end the federal reserve and we all know wat happened to him. the USA died when Lincoln was elected and turned the republic into an empire
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ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 10 months ago 2
@ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR hah no i havent but I could tell from the one comment i HAVE read on this page that you know your stuff and wanted to network with smart/rational/comptent people.. WE are an EXTREMEM MINORITY on here
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ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 10 months ago 4
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@cwbuff44 Lee was a child torturing lunatic, and the Scum sucking pigs of the South promised war if slavery was not SPREAD.
Got that you pieces of shit? Learn real history - -learn what the SOUTHERN leaders screamed from the rooftops -- spread slavery or have war. Learn the Southern Ultimatums. Learn about the torture of children, and how Lee sold WHITE children born to his mulatto slave girls.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
God Bless you Robert E. Lee!
xXStefan90Xx 10 months ago
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@cwbuff44 Lee was remaining loyal to his black pussy and money. He couldnt keep sellinng white looking babies born to his half white slave girls, if he went with Lincoln. He couldnt stay in the back of the troops, like the coward he always was, with Lincoln. He might actually have to be in a BATTLE if he went with the North.
But if he brown nosed Davis enough, he hoped to get out of battle entirely, which is what happened.
Lee was nothing -- and I mean nothing -- like the myth portrays
12FlyMe 11 months ago
@12FlyMe You are really really ignorant...it saddens me that there are morrons like you out there
xXStefan90Xx 10 months ago
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@xXStefan90Xx Sorry dumb fuck, Lee had an obsession with young mulatto girls -- his slave girls. See his own handwritten account books. The guy was goofy. He paid six times his normal bounty to catch specific girls that escaped -- and then had one girl tortured, while he screamed at her.
He then sold her baby -- a WHITE looking baby.
Learn the truth about this scum sucking pig.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe Mark, do you ever type anything new? You call this "Research"??? You just type the same shit over and over again for years. Did it ever occur to you that not many people really care about what you type? Not even historians care much about what General Lee did before the war or after the war. General Lee became famous DURING the war. There is no sources at all on Lee having babies with his black female slaves/servants. Prove me wrong Mark, find me the source.
rebel2276 10 months ago
@12FlyMe Don't respond back with your normal stupid shit, find me one single source, where it claims with proof that Robert E. Lee slept with even one of his female slaves/servants. Find me the source where he sold "A WHITE looking baby". Because that right there makes no sense, black and white make coco not WHITE. While your at it, why don't you lecture on George Washington and Thomas Jefferson who DID sleep with one of their female servants and had a baby with them.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 I don't know if Lee screwed the young mulatto girls -- but he sure was obsessed with their recapture. He paid six times his normal bounty to catch one girl in particular -- WHY? WHy focus on her? When he got her back, he had her tortured while he screamed at her -- emotional attachment apparently. Then he sold her baby - a white looking child.
Learn the truth about this piece of shit.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 Jefferson did screw his slaves -- most slave owners did.
But Lee tortured his slave girls you stupid shit -- had them tied up, and ripped their flesh off, while he stood by and screamed at them.
Got that yet you stupid fuck? See any difference you stupid fuck? Do you fucking see any difference or are you too fucking stupid?
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe Again, WHERE IS THE SOURCE? Can't you fucking read??? Just as I figured, no fucking sources at all, then you come on here making up more bullshit like usual. Again, in EASY English for you, FIND A SOURCE WHERE LEE HAD A BABY WITH ONE OF HIS FEMALE BLACK SERVANTS.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 no one knows if he screwed her --- got that?
We know he was obsessed with her, we know he kept obsessive notes IN HIS OWN HANDWRITING in his own account books We know he paid six times his normal bounty to get her back. We know all that.
We know he had her tortured. We know she had a white looking child. We don't know if Lee was the father. WHo cares? He tortured her, he sold her baby, he was obsessed with her.
Got that so far?
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 If you want a source for Lee's torture of one particular slave girl, and how he obsessed about her capture, paid six times his normal bounty for her return -- see the surpringly pro-Lee book "Reading the Man".
Or you can google "Lee's papers - Lee biographer Elizabeth Pryor has lifted the lid, but is 150 years too soon for us to look inside" Google that phrase. Then read the book.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe I know about Ms. Pryor's book. I want the SOURCE where you claim that Lee had a child with one of his slave/servants. Guess what idiot, that is NOT in Ms. Pryor's book. Since you only quote that book, I figured I would read that book. I'm always a few steps ahead of you Mark. So again, find that source, stop changing subjects. I don't care if Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Davis or any Jefferson did this or that. Nor do I care about Lee having two of his slaves that ran away whipped.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 I didn't claim he had a child by his black girls. We know his mulatto slave girls had babies. We know at least one of those babies were white as your momma. Maybe more white!
But no one knows if Lee butt fucked her or pussy fucked her. He might have been gay, and butt fucked the boy slaves --we don't know.
But we know he tortured the slave girls, and we know he sold the white baby born to the light colored slave girl.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe Changing your story when I called you out? lol. It would be best if you just used the same screen name and not "RonPaulHatesBlacks". Your not fooling anyone, give it up. Make sure to reply back on two accounts now! lol
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 what a tard, you are proud of Lee the child torturer? The man who paid six times his normal bounty to catch young girls, 12-14 years old, and then screamed at them while he paid someone to torture them? This is your hero?
I never said he was the father of her white looking baby --I just know he had her tortured, and then sold the white looking baby.
That was your HERO! Funny bunch of lunatics, Southern apologist.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe I had to laugh, when I saw you send me a message, so you just bounce back and forth with "RonPaulHatesBlacks" and "12FlyMe". lol Ok now, switch back to "RonPaulHatesBlacks!"
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 No, dumb ass, I had a lot of screen names, but use only two or three now. I almost never even know which one I'm in, doesn't matter, i just repsond to people, and check the emails.
But I am not RPHB, he is an entirely diffferent guy. I don't even see him posting anymore -- but he was very smart, he knew his stuff about the scum sucking Southern leaders, he wasn't fooled by the shit taught in our schools, and he knew the Southern apologists are full of shit.
But I am not him
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe Do yourself a favor and just stay with one single screen name, duh. RPHB is you, stop denying it, many other people long have known that. Your not fooling anyone. You should do some REAL research and realize that the US. Government covered up the war. Instead of wasting your time typing the same shit year after year on this site. I highly doubt you even own one single Civil War book.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 What a dumb fuck, if I was RBHB, I would say so.
The only cover up you retard is of the Southern pussies --- your army deserted, your own leaders ran like pussies, Davis and Lee. Davis was caught in a dress -- his own wife admitted it. It was HER dress. You fucks covered up Lee's torture of young girls, and your own Ultimatums to spread slavery.
You were cowards and you got your ass beat, and for 150 years you have been crying about it.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe You are RPHB, lol. Keep giving yourself thumbs up, I enjoy it!
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 I almost never rate videos, dumb ass, I can't remember the last time I did for a history video.
I do rate trumpet videos, cause I have kids that are into music, and we watch those kids of you tube vids.
I have done likes or dislikes - but honestly, I can't remember the last time I even thought about rating those. The only reason I rate the trumpet ones, my kids will say "Vote that thumbs up".
SO you don't have a fucking clue -- yet you are certain. Typical idiot.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 I thought the Davis in the Dress story was nonsense - a cartoon thing only, that NO one took seriously even then. Then I read his own wife's letter to the Blairs -- fuck yes, he was in a dress. SHe spends have her letter, a week after the event, talking about what he wore. Fucking hell, if he didn't have a dress on, why write about it on, and on? Plus, she SAYS that she called out "Its my mother" so the soldiers would leave him alone. Read her fucking letter, amazing.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe I thought Lincoln having to hide out on the train he took from Sprigfield, Illinois to Washington City was funny enough. The day when a President would have to hide on a train, lol.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 Presidents hide all the time dumb ass --
And LIncoln stood his ground while bullets flew past -- lliterally. Neither Davis nor Lee ever got near live battle --did you know that? Funny shit, Lee and Davis both ran like pussies from Richmond. The South had very brave soldiers (the ones that didn't desert) -but your two top leaders were pesonal cowards. Lee ran off and surrendered, Davis ran away in a dress. Somehow you fucks have turned those guys into icons
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 You simply don't give a shit whats true, moron. WHich is fine, I admire people who say, fuck it, I dont care what is true, this is what I want to believe.
But Southern apologist simply don't care what's true. Their own newspapers, speeches, books, their own documents prove they went to war to spread slavery, they tortured children sold babies, and said God told them to. They got their ass kicked and you fucks have cried about it for 150 years.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@12FlyMe I have to laugh at you, I had the most family fight for the Union during the Civil War.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 Notice the fucktards who claim Davis didn't wear a dress? No one even gives a shit, there isn't people trying to shame Davis about it. I would wear a dress to stay alive, fuck yeah. The funny thing isn't the dress, it's the pussies that deny it. They never, and I mean NEVER, even mention his wife saying he was her MOTHER. That is what his wife said - in her own fucking letter -- that she tried to pass him off as her MOTHER. Why do you fucktards not deal with HER letter?
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 Did I say he had a child by her? I don't know. SHe had a VERY white looking child -- there were apparently several "white negro" slave babies on Lee's slave plantation. I don't know if he was the father.
But I know he was obsessed with these mulatto girls -- he paid six times his normal bounty to get one back. Why? Why did he keep such extensive notes about this one girl? He then had her tortured.
What did he do with the white baby? He sold it!
12FlyMe 10 months ago
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@rebel2276 you stupid fuck -- there were mulatto girls -- very light skinned slaves. THEY got fucked and had babies. There is a picture of one of these girls -- the infants -- in the book "Reading the Man"
She is a slave girl -- looks as white as your momma. Go see the fucking picture! She is sitting on her "grandpa's" lap. That guy is dark as ace of spades, but the girl is white looking. Go fucking SEE.
That white looking baby was a slave -- and Lee SOLD HER.
12FlyMe 10 months ago
@12FlyMe Still no source on Lee "Sleeping with his black servants" and having "White babies?" No source Mark? lol. Take your time Mark, you will never find any information that Robert E. Lee did that. But prove me wrong though. Just provide one single source. You can type all the bullshit you want, but find me a source.
rebel2276 10 months ago
@xXStefan90Xx "12FlyMe" is "RonPaulHatesBlacks" and his other 50 sock accounts. He mentally screwed up in the head. Just ignore the troll and let me deal with him.
rebel2276 10 months ago
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@johan12564 Also, Lee stayed IN US uniform for months -- all the time knowing he would be with the South.
Lee spoke with Davis over Christmas (apparently) about a military coup if LIncoln took office.. At that moment, Lee should have resigned his commission - OR arrested Davis. He did neither.
He stayed in uniform -- even accepted a promotion from LIncoln to full colonel. This was AFTER he knew about the plot. That is treason -- other men found out and resigned honorably. Not Lee.
12FlyMe 11 months ago
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@johan12564 I have no problem with Lee siding with the South.
My problem with Lee is his torture of slave girls, age 13, having them whipped while he screamed at them.
My problem is Lee' selling white babies that came from his mulatto slave girls. Learn what this man really was -- a child torturer and a coward, a personal coward. Nothing like the South has pretended for 150 years.
12FlyMe 11 months ago
Lee had a slave master psychology. Regardless of what Lee said, his actions speak; they cannot be denied. Lee led an army that tried to break my country apart. Lee owned and tortured (via flogging) my fellow human beings and said it was OK because the law was so; he fought a war to preserve that legal fallacy. Lee killed 40 of his own men by hanging in Sept. of 1863 for wanting to return to their families instead of kill people they didn't know and be killed by them. Robert E. Lee was evil.
parafleet 11 months ago
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@parafleet Lee tortured slave girls and said God intended slavery to be painful to slaves -- including young girls.
He had them tortured, while he screamed at them. He got off on it! He paid six times his normal bounty to capture certain girls (he was obsessed with one near-white slave girl). When he finally got her back, he had her tortured, and sold her white looking baby.
12FlyMe 11 months ago
Old goofy Martin Sheen did a good job here. He supported Janet Reno's disastrous campaign for Gov of Florida some years back. She should have thought that one out.
Gen Lee a master of the English language--read his farewell adress to his troops. Quite the equal of Lincoln. But he was a general without peer.
Trolls and other nuts who don't like what I say here: please don't respond. I will delete any you post.
Varianna12 11 months ago 2
@PrebateNonsense That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Please document it... I'll wait... Even if your false story held water, Lee would have also known, it's only treason if you lose. To Great Britain, George Washington was a traitor, but to us he is the Father of our country. It's all relative. None of this though, changes the FACT, that most southerners felt that they owed their services to their state first, and union second.
cwbuff44 11 months ago
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@cwbuff44 Well,sorta true there are a few OTHER things you didnt know. You didn't know Lee tortured girls or kept obsessive notes in his account books, offering six times his normal bounty, and sold white looking babies.
But there is a lot more you don't know, For example, most Southern soldiers deserted. Over 300,000 SOuthern men fought for the NORTH -- for one thing. Gee- they didn't tell you tards that. And over 400,000 deserted.
Learn real history
12FlyMe 11 months ago
@12FlyMe actually I know all about the statistics of the war. I'm a history PhD.. So call me crazy for considering myself slightly above the intelligence of your average "tard," probably even above you. Actually I knew about everything you mentioned.. I believe you're referring to Lee and his punishment of his slaves correct? Their is one story in particular about his treatment of a slave girl. The things he did were clearly wrong by today's standards, but back then that's what people of that
cwbuff44 11 months ago
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@cwbuff44 no you stupid fuck -- by standards THEN Lee was a cock sucking bastard. Not many masters sold the infants -- Lee did it regularly you stupid shit. Not many masters personally screamed at young girls while he had them tortured -- Lee did. Not many masters had virtually all their slaves risk life and torture to run away -- Lee's did.
Learn real history you piece of shit. Go read " Readinng the Man" for a start.
12FlyMe 11 months ago
@12FlyMe society viewed as acceptable, and sometimes appropriate. That is FACT. Doesn't make it right, simply fact. Before you attempt to go tell me what I do and don't know about you should spend you're time doing something more valuable. Let me ask you a question. What do you think of our country today? A country which condones torture? If Lee was so evil for it, what does that say about us today? And what are you going to do to correct it?
cwbuff44 11 months ago
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@cwbuff44 wrong dumb fuck -- it was NOT acceptable to sell babies you stupid fuck - only the really cruel fucks would do that, like Lee. Only real cruel masters would torture young girls, -- Lee did. Only cruel masters would take the babies from the mother, and beat the mother for crying, like Lee did.
Learn what this fucker did, and get back to me.
12FlyMe 11 months ago
@12FlyMe By the way, you make yourself sound very uneducated, even if you state something that is fact, when you say stuff like "tards" and "learn real history." Especially when you say it to me, after having spent my life reading hundreds of books on the Civil War. You can criticize Lee all you want, but if you call him names you better be calling Lincoln the same names. This goes for most of the leaders in the war, they were all human.
cwbuff44 11 months ago
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@oXMEZAXo Lee was there you stupid shit - and his OWN hand written account books show he sold white looking babies born to his mulatto slave girls, and that he paid to have young girls stripped and tortured.
Got that you stupid fuck? Lee was there, and his own handwritten notations show what went on.
12FlyMe 11 months ago
Martin Sheen's Lee was amazing!!!
dhutchinson86 11 months ago