@GrieferOhhai If I saw a green party candidate that was actually serious about ending the Federal reserve fraud, I would be all over it. Jill Stein says: "we need to completely revisit the role of the Fed and how it works." Ron Paul actually says, END THE FED. Ron Paul has been fighting the inflation tax for 2 decades. He is properly prioritized on Balanced budgets 1st. And he has a lot of momentum right now. Beating Obama in the last Rasmussen poll. Respectfully disagree
@1cont First of all I'd like to say I'm English, so I don't have a full say on American politics.
However Ron Paul has certainly signed some questionable bills, outlawing abortion being the most clearly wrong one, with others which could be very hazardous to the working class and enviroment, voting for a third party candidate regardless of who it is, is extremly important however. The two party system, hasn't be sufficient for people for a long time now.
@GrieferOhhai Abortion is one of the most incongruent abuses of power I can think of. It is one person using force against another living,legal entity. Our constitution grants Liffe, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Abortion stops a beating heart and the salt injected into the central nervous system of a fetus is killing a functional CNS. I am also a physician and abortion is not mere birth control. It is murder. Free markets bring the best products and best prices. Ron Paul 2012
@1cont Abortion is NOT murder, to force someone to KEEP their baby would be slavery in many ways, and to say removing an undeveloped fetus is murder, is to say masturbation is genocide, as you've taken away living life through such an act. To control what someone does with their body is one of the most unliberal things you could possibly do, and may very well ruin their pursuit of happiness, overpopulation is already bad enough, to add to such a problem would be heinous.
Try using that underdeveloped fetus argument in a court of law when a physician makes a medical mistake and the fetus dies. It is a life. It is a legal entity. The mother had a chance to avoid pregnancy by avoiding coitus. Her liberty has never been compromised. She is trying to alter the consequences of her behavior by using force. If she doesn't think a baby will add to her pursuit of happiness she should use a condom. Children are what fund your retirement, pal.
@1cont Pigs and cows also have lives, yet we don't value you them equally, and we still eat them. Condoms split, kids make mistakes, people get raped, this does not mean we have to chain them to a child for the rest of their life, or to force them to go through the pregnancy and drop the kid off at an adoption agency. Just because you would not do such a thing, does not mean we should force others to not do such a thing. I find rap headache inducing, but I have no intent to protest it.
Rape induced pregnancy is a very rare exception. Also known as a red herring in discussions.
Most abortion is elective and I suggest you study the statistics of how often condoms actually break. You keep using the abstract to set the rule. Abortion is murder.
Nature is what FORCES a person to carry a fetus to term after they CHOSE to have unprotected sex. I hope you have something better than this argument to offer me.
@1cont and you appear to keep ignoring the minorty and making your personal choices law, rather than giving people the chance to make their own choices in life.
Perhaps you should listen to the Ochs song "Love me I'm a liberal" and think heavily what he's talking about in those lyrics.
@GrieferOhhai I only want to see the Law be respected. Death is defined as no brainwaves and no heartbeat. To inflict the status of death on something is to kill it.
Birth control is a separate issue from abortion. Birth control only affects the adult. Abortion affects the fetus and the adult. I consider the fetus to be important in the decision. You do not.
The liberal song makes fun of liberals talking a good game but being weak when the issue hits home.
We use force to alter the consequences of people's behavior all the time in the health care industry. I remember there being some "force" involved when we removed a cue ball from a girls vagina.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I bet the unfortunate gal with the billiard problem signed a form issuing informed consent to have a doctor examine and treat her. I don't think the fetus is capable of signing intake paperwork issuing consent to being killed. If you think it doesn't matter that is a choice you have made.
I'm a pro-choice RN. I've made my decision about whose rights I support. I'm well aware of what happens in an abortion at every stage of a developing embryo or fetus's life. I don't like the choice and do all I can to encourage the use of birth control. If you think I'm going to share my arguments here, you're nuts. You have a right to your opinion, but until Rowe vs Wade is deemed unconstitutional, it's my opinion that will prevail over yours.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I respectfully disagree, but since my comment on this page stems from a response about Ron Paul, I only add that Dr Paul is advocating state's rights and and an abdication of jurisdiction of R V W to the state level rather than the Federal. All politics is local and the best health care is the care available with the fewest people between the doctors and their patients. Keep up the good work you do in educating patients. Slavery used to be constitutional. Cheers.
I just want to add a personal note. I had an abortion to end a pregnancy that was the result of a very irresponsible sex act at a time when my judgment was impaired by my mental instability. It was a difficult decision and it occasionally haunts me, but never have I thought I made the wrong choice. It's unfortunate that sperm and that egg were united, but I'm grateful it wasn't too late to correct that mistake.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I'm sorry to hear that. That must have been a difficult situation. I mean no personal insult to you. I simply want to see the prevention of contraception rather than the "correction to mistakes" as a forethought rather than a hindthought. That is where your education of the next generation is so valuable. Keep it up.
I'm for prevention on multiple levels. That's probably what drives me to fight cyber bullying on YT and support and educate victims to make them a little more bully proof. Thanks for the great discussion.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I hope I didn't appear as a cyber-bully. I only responded to the English guy at the top of the post list who brought up abortion and then I felt it was my responsibility to articulate the points to the level required. You keep fighting cyber-bullies and I will keep teaching people about Ron Paul and balanced budgets through a foreign policy of non-intervention. Current events Iran cause me to keep posting. Cheers.
Actually, you're not the cyberbully, the English guy is. He likes to incite online riots. I ended up here from a discussion I was having with him on Skype. I'm a democrat, but I've been looking at what Ron Paul is saying for the same reasons you mentioned. It was great talking to you. Thanks.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer If the gal with the hidden cue ball had been struck by another driver while she was heading in to the hospital for treatment and the cue ball died as a result of the accident, would a lawyer take the case that the cue ball had been a negligent homicide or manslaughter? No probably not because the cue ball is not a healthy human fetus. I appreciate the intent of your case, but find it irrelevant.
You see the medical malpractice issue as having something to do with your abortion argument. I don't. It would burn my britches to see a doctor charged criminally for the death of an embryo or a fetus. At the point of viability I might consider the parents have the right to file a wrongful death suit which is a civil case, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer The unifying issue is whether or not the fetus is a legal entity deserving legal protection. They are the same in the malpractice or the auto collision. External force ended the life of the fetus. Since the mother chooses to do the same thing as the negligent physician or the other driver. That somehow makes the ethical leap of being permissible. I really only came here to comment on the Liberal video and ant-war ideal. This may be fun as well, but it is an aside.
It does seem unfair that the mother who actively chooses to force the same outcome that was accidental in the case of the negligent physician or the other driver does so under the protection of the law. Tough topic.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer Your usage of the word "force" is exactly correct. That is why I support Ron Paul. He is always fighting against the initiation of force against others. It is not tough for me because I put abortion and birth control in very different treatment categories. People can take all the estrogen they want to prevent ovulation. That only effects the taker of the pill. As long as you see the "force" issue in abortion, my point is made. Good luck to you in your practice.
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer Your usage of the word "force" is exactly correct. That is why I support Ron Paul. He is always fighting against the initiation of force against others. It is not tough for me because I put abortion and birth control in very different treatment categories. People can take all the estrogen they want to prevent ovulation. That only effects the taker of the pill. As long as you see the "force" issue in abortion, my point is made. Good luck to you in your practice.
Ron Paul 2012. Let's seriously get out of these wars and stop the aggression.
Free trade and commerce with all, entangling alliances with none.
1cont 1 week ago
@1cont My God no, Green Party is where it's at.
GrieferOhhai 4 days ago
@GrieferOhhai If I saw a green party candidate that was actually serious about ending the Federal reserve fraud, I would be all over it. Jill Stein says: "we need to completely revisit the role of the Fed and how it works." Ron Paul actually says, END THE FED. Ron Paul has been fighting the inflation tax for 2 decades. He is properly prioritized on Balanced budgets 1st. And he has a lot of momentum right now. Beating Obama in the last Rasmussen poll. Respectfully disagree
1cont 4 days ago
@1cont First of all I'd like to say I'm English, so I don't have a full say on American politics.
However Ron Paul has certainly signed some questionable bills, outlawing abortion being the most clearly wrong one, with others which could be very hazardous to the working class and enviroment, voting for a third party candidate regardless of who it is, is extremly important however. The two party system, hasn't be sufficient for people for a long time now.
GrieferOhhai 4 days ago
@GrieferOhhai Abortion is one of the most incongruent abuses of power I can think of. It is one person using force against another living,legal entity. Our constitution grants Liffe, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Abortion stops a beating heart and the salt injected into the central nervous system of a fetus is killing a functional CNS. I am also a physician and abortion is not mere birth control. It is murder. Free markets bring the best products and best prices. Ron Paul 2012
1cont 4 days ago
@1cont Abortion is NOT murder, to force someone to KEEP their baby would be slavery in many ways, and to say removing an undeveloped fetus is murder, is to say masturbation is genocide, as you've taken away living life through such an act. To control what someone does with their body is one of the most unliberal things you could possibly do, and may very well ruin their pursuit of happiness, overpopulation is already bad enough, to add to such a problem would be heinous.
Vote Green 2012.
GrieferOhhai 3 days ago
@GrieferOhhai
Try using that underdeveloped fetus argument in a court of law when a physician makes a medical mistake and the fetus dies. It is a life. It is a legal entity. The mother had a chance to avoid pregnancy by avoiding coitus. Her liberty has never been compromised. She is trying to alter the consequences of her behavior by using force. If she doesn't think a baby will add to her pursuit of happiness she should use a condom. Children are what fund your retirement, pal.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont Pigs and cows also have lives, yet we don't value you them equally, and we still eat them. Condoms split, kids make mistakes, people get raped, this does not mean we have to chain them to a child for the rest of their life, or to force them to go through the pregnancy and drop the kid off at an adoption agency. Just because you would not do such a thing, does not mean we should force others to not do such a thing. I find rap headache inducing, but I have no intent to protest it.
GrieferOhhai 3 days ago
@GrieferOhhai
Rape induced pregnancy is a very rare exception. Also known as a red herring in discussions.
Most abortion is elective and I suggest you study the statistics of how often condoms actually break. You keep using the abstract to set the rule. Abortion is murder.
Nature is what FORCES a person to carry a fetus to term after they CHOSE to have unprotected sex. I hope you have something better than this argument to offer me.
I am Voting For Ron Paul on economic reasons.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont and you appear to keep ignoring the minorty and making your personal choices law, rather than giving people the chance to make their own choices in life.
Perhaps you should listen to the Ochs song "Love me I'm a liberal" and think heavily what he's talking about in those lyrics.
GrieferOhhai 3 days ago
@GrieferOhhai I only want to see the Law be respected. Death is defined as no brainwaves and no heartbeat. To inflict the status of death on something is to kill it.
Birth control is a separate issue from abortion. Birth control only affects the adult. Abortion affects the fetus and the adult. I consider the fetus to be important in the decision. You do not.
The liberal song makes fun of liberals talking a good game but being weak when the issue hits home.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
We use force to alter the consequences of people's behavior all the time in the health care industry. I remember there being some "force" involved when we removed a cue ball from a girls vagina.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I bet the unfortunate gal with the billiard problem signed a form issuing informed consent to have a doctor examine and treat her. I don't think the fetus is capable of signing intake paperwork issuing consent to being killed. If you think it doesn't matter that is a choice you have made.
1cont 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer Any active vital signs on that cue ball?
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
I'm a pro-choice RN. I've made my decision about whose rights I support. I'm well aware of what happens in an abortion at every stage of a developing embryo or fetus's life. I don't like the choice and do all I can to encourage the use of birth control. If you think I'm going to share my arguments here, you're nuts. You have a right to your opinion, but until Rowe vs Wade is deemed unconstitutional, it's my opinion that will prevail over yours.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I respectfully disagree, but since my comment on this page stems from a response about Ron Paul, I only add that Dr Paul is advocating state's rights and and an abdication of jurisdiction of R V W to the state level rather than the Federal. All politics is local and the best health care is the care available with the fewest people between the doctors and their patients. Keep up the good work you do in educating patients. Slavery used to be constitutional. Cheers.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
I just want to add a personal note. I had an abortion to end a pregnancy that was the result of a very irresponsible sex act at a time when my judgment was impaired by my mental instability. It was a difficult decision and it occasionally haunts me, but never have I thought I made the wrong choice. It's unfortunate that sperm and that egg were united, but I'm grateful it wasn't too late to correct that mistake.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I'm sorry to hear that. That must have been a difficult situation. I mean no personal insult to you. I simply want to see the prevention of contraception rather than the "correction to mistakes" as a forethought rather than a hindthought. That is where your education of the next generation is so valuable. Keep it up.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
I'm for prevention on multiple levels. That's probably what drives me to fight cyber bullying on YT and support and educate victims to make them a little more bully proof. Thanks for the great discussion.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer I hope I didn't appear as a cyber-bully. I only responded to the English guy at the top of the post list who brought up abortion and then I felt it was my responsibility to articulate the points to the level required. You keep fighting cyber-bullies and I will keep teaching people about Ron Paul and balanced budgets through a foreign policy of non-intervention. Current events Iran cause me to keep posting. Cheers.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
Actually, you're not the cyberbully, the English guy is. He likes to incite online riots. I ended up here from a discussion I was having with him on Skype. I'm a democrat, but I've been looking at what Ron Paul is saying for the same reasons you mentioned. It was great talking to you. Thanks.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer If the gal with the hidden cue ball had been struck by another driver while she was heading in to the hospital for treatment and the cue ball died as a result of the accident, would a lawyer take the case that the cue ball had been a negligent homicide or manslaughter? No probably not because the cue ball is not a healthy human fetus. I appreciate the intent of your case, but find it irrelevant.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
You see the medical malpractice issue as having something to do with your abortion argument. I don't. It would burn my britches to see a doctor charged criminally for the death of an embryo or a fetus. At the point of viability I might consider the parents have the right to file a wrongful death suit which is a civil case, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer The unifying issue is whether or not the fetus is a legal entity deserving legal protection. They are the same in the malpractice or the auto collision. External force ended the life of the fetus. Since the mother chooses to do the same thing as the negligent physician or the other driver. That somehow makes the ethical leap of being permissible. I really only came here to comment on the Liberal video and ant-war ideal. This may be fun as well, but it is an aside.
1cont 3 days ago
@1cont
It does seem unfair that the mother who actively chooses to force the same outcome that was accidental in the case of the negligent physician or the other driver does so under the protection of the law. Tough topic.
BattIeKatTrolIKilIer 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer Your usage of the word "force" is exactly correct. That is why I support Ron Paul. He is always fighting against the initiation of force against others. It is not tough for me because I put abortion and birth control in very different treatment categories. People can take all the estrogen they want to prevent ovulation. That only effects the taker of the pill. As long as you see the "force" issue in abortion, my point is made. Good luck to you in your practice.
1cont 3 days ago
@BattIeKatTrolIKilIer Your usage of the word "force" is exactly correct. That is why I support Ron Paul. He is always fighting against the initiation of force against others. It is not tough for me because I put abortion and birth control in very different treatment categories. People can take all the estrogen they want to prevent ovulation. That only effects the taker of the pill. As long as you see the "force" issue in abortion, my point is made. Good luck to you in your practice.
1cont 3 days ago
of course...he's in that noble place "CARNEGIE HALL"
Thank-you for saving it, Isaac Stern
SMSHCT55 1 month ago
Thanks for the upload! He sounds really good in this version. :)
meryt114 4 months ago