O.K. this is not "positive punishment", it's absolutely stupid. And it shouldn't be categorised under 'education' but 'violence' instead. All the daughter has learned is not to do things in front of her mother (do it behind her back instead), lie (about doing things so she doesn't get hurt by her mother), and that if someone does something that bothers her, she should beat them up. And you wonder why jails are overcrowded when you're teaching kids to be violent.
@TheRushingWind, I don't want to sound rude, but that logic is post hoc ergo propter hoc. According to B.F. Skinner, this is an example of operant conditioning in the form of "Positive Punishment". Jails aren't overcrowded because a child is spanked exclusively. It certainly can be a contributing factor, but there are many other instances within childhood development alone that could cause conditioned response (or need for attention) to break the law.
@MalkinFan25 I don't want to sound rude, but using words that most normal people don't use makes you look like a pretentious twat. Anyway, the latter part of my original comment is irrefutable: teaching kids to be violent results in overcrowded jails. And by hitting, that is exactly what you are teaching. My point that this is not powitive punishment but is actually stupid is also irrefutable
@TheRushingWind We are all discussing a theory in social psychology. Everything in social psychology and well as social sciences is refutable. Namely because basic psychology explains that no two people's minds are alike. We respond to stimuli differently, ergo we interpret the word around us differently (which can cause us to be violent or not). I am not advocating this approach to discipline children, rather jails are overcrowded for a plethora of reasons besides the aforementioned.
@MalkinFan25 stop talking nonsense and look at reality. Go into prison, speak to offenders, and see how many were hit. I'll bet you 50 of whatever your currency is that it's over 60%. Using violence = condoning violence = leading to violence (unless, as rarely happens, the child rebels and decides not to hit people). Basic logic.
@TheRushingWind B.F. Skinners operant conditioning is looking at reality, and I guarantee childhood development books either reference or model beliefs after his work.
With that being said, I agree that over 60% of violent based offenders would have been struck as a child. However, Within operant conditioning, what about positive reinforcement? A child hypothetically never believing that they do wrong? I am not referencing that you are wrong, I am just referencing there may be more variables
@TheRushingWind One more thing, I don't mean to crowd your inbox, I actually liked that you reference the rarity of rebelling in childhood behavior. If your interested in inherit behavior based on childhood development. You might want to research Mary Ainsworth's Attachment styles. This theory references 4 different attachment methods and response patterns that accumulate from childhood. This will actually reinforce some of your beliefs while providing some alternatives to "negative behavior"
@TheRushingWind, in the context of operant conditioning "positive" here does not mean "good" or that this is necessarily the best way to punish children, it means a punishment in the form of adverse stimuli ADDED ... something bad happens to the person, like being yelled at or struck... as opposed to negative punishment where something is subtracted, a child is sent to their room or a video game is taken away.
I don't believe this video was meant to support corporal punishment, it was just illustrating the concept of "positive punishment" probably as a teaching aid for a lesson on BF Skinner & operant conditioning.
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CJG2002 1 week ago
is that there mom?
ark5428 2 weeks ago
lmaoo
angelcheese777 1 month ago
O.K. this is not "positive punishment", it's absolutely stupid. And it shouldn't be categorised under 'education' but 'violence' instead. All the daughter has learned is not to do things in front of her mother (do it behind her back instead), lie (about doing things so she doesn't get hurt by her mother), and that if someone does something that bothers her, she should beat them up. And you wonder why jails are overcrowded when you're teaching kids to be violent.
TheRushingWind 2 months ago
@TheRushingWind, I don't want to sound rude, but that logic is post hoc ergo propter hoc. According to B.F. Skinner, this is an example of operant conditioning in the form of "Positive Punishment". Jails aren't overcrowded because a child is spanked exclusively. It certainly can be a contributing factor, but there are many other instances within childhood development alone that could cause conditioned response (or need for attention) to break the law.
MalkinFan25 2 months ago
@MalkinFan25 I don't want to sound rude, but using words that most normal people don't use makes you look like a pretentious twat. Anyway, the latter part of my original comment is irrefutable: teaching kids to be violent results in overcrowded jails. And by hitting, that is exactly what you are teaching. My point that this is not powitive punishment but is actually stupid is also irrefutable
TheRushingWind 2 months ago
@TheRushingWind We are all discussing a theory in social psychology. Everything in social psychology and well as social sciences is refutable. Namely because basic psychology explains that no two people's minds are alike. We respond to stimuli differently, ergo we interpret the word around us differently (which can cause us to be violent or not). I am not advocating this approach to discipline children, rather jails are overcrowded for a plethora of reasons besides the aforementioned.
MalkinFan25 2 months ago
@MalkinFan25 stop talking nonsense and look at reality. Go into prison, speak to offenders, and see how many were hit. I'll bet you 50 of whatever your currency is that it's over 60%. Using violence = condoning violence = leading to violence (unless, as rarely happens, the child rebels and decides not to hit people). Basic logic.
TheRushingWind 2 months ago
@TheRushingWind B.F. Skinners operant conditioning is looking at reality, and I guarantee childhood development books either reference or model beliefs after his work.
With that being said, I agree that over 60% of violent based offenders would have been struck as a child. However, Within operant conditioning, what about positive reinforcement? A child hypothetically never believing that they do wrong? I am not referencing that you are wrong, I am just referencing there may be more variables
MalkinFan25 2 months ago
@TheRushingWind One more thing, I don't mean to crowd your inbox, I actually liked that you reference the rarity of rebelling in childhood behavior. If your interested in inherit behavior based on childhood development. You might want to research Mary Ainsworth's Attachment styles. This theory references 4 different attachment methods and response patterns that accumulate from childhood. This will actually reinforce some of your beliefs while providing some alternatives to "negative behavior"
MalkinFan25 2 months ago
@MalkinFan25 again, quit talking nonsense
TheRushingWind 2 months ago
@TheRushingWind, in the context of operant conditioning "positive" here does not mean "good" or that this is necessarily the best way to punish children, it means a punishment in the form of adverse stimuli ADDED ... something bad happens to the person, like being yelled at or struck... as opposed to negative punishment where something is subtracted, a child is sent to their room or a video game is taken away.
imderanged5402 1 month ago
I don't believe this video was meant to support corporal punishment, it was just illustrating the concept of "positive punishment" probably as a teaching aid for a lesson on BF Skinner & operant conditioning.
imderanged5402 1 month ago
@imderanged5402 but it's negative punishment, not positive. Being able to say long words doesn't make you correct
TheRushingWind 1 month ago
@imderanged5402 again, stop talking nonsense
TheRushingWind 1 month ago
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Bjaylen23 6 months ago