Near Death Experiences - A.E. #586

[Nicolea9000]

These guys need to dig a little deeper themselves, they really haven't seen the scope of what near death experiences have revealed. There have been alot of atheists who have had NDE's and experienced entering heaven and being in the presence of unconditional love and peace. These experiences are either a dreamscape of the brain or disprove that there is one true religion, and that there is a truly loving god that redeems all humans.

[starboy2013]

Watch this for NDE stuff....

watch?v=um9GjWkM5kw

[Hanahleia]

DMT is speculated to be released during a near-death-experience. These guys didn't address that here. It can cause a mystical experience, a feeling of cosmic consciousness, an intuition of something "higher," a kind of overmind. If you're religious, you'll interpret it through your religion, if you're atheist, then you might lean more towards a mathematical explanation such as a "higher dimension" or something like that. Matt ought to smoke DMT. I bet he'd question his whole atheistic position.

[stitchmorg]

@Hanahleia YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!!! you are the first person i have ever heard say that on any of these videos! CONGRATS!

yes, before death massive amounts of the hallucinogen DMT are released into the brain, in animals it has been observed to relieve the stress of dying. It has also been proven in humans, DMT is what causes dreams and is indigenous to the body.

[Hanahleia]

Atheists are barking up the wrong tree. I believe the root of all religion lies in the mystical experience, but western religion have been so contorted and misconstrued that they've come to mean God as entity and creator. Atheists figure out religion is merely man-made concepts and that fundamentalists are usually all quite insane, yet that's as far as they ever go. They embrace conventional "theoretic" science like christians embrace old books and deny conscious experiences beyond this reality.

[SolidMentality92]

pity.. all the smart atheists have real jobs. atheisism can heighten your state of thinking (in a logical/ problem solving way). unfortunately these fellowa aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. you can super charge a burnt out bulb but it's still a piece of shit

[yeshuahfullofit]

@666j1 " look up " the 'god helmet'. Damn! There I go feeling smug, judgemental, and intellectually superior, again! I guess I'll never learn. I don't dwell on it though, I can always become purrfictionated by claiming I'm a xian. Then you'll have to love me as your brother.

[666j1]

@yeshuahfullofit hey, sorry i didn't mean to appear smug, but i just have bad experiences with atheists. ( i used to be an atheist for a long time mind you and only allowed rational and logical thought) i looked up the video and basically hes saying "it doesn't fit in the current scientific model therefor it does not exists, to me this is just as bad as blind faith.

[666j1]

@yeshuahfullofit As i said before, i used to be a diehard athiest , i have traveled the world and looked at peoples world view, while i was doing that i stumbled upon people that were spiritual and they thought me a lot. Then i experienced alot of things (which are not hallucinations i can assure you, they just cant be understood with rational thought). i am completely convinced that there is a 'source of all consciousness' , which people refer to as god

[666j1]

@yeshuahfullofit You can connect to this 'source' or as people in NDE like to refer it as 'radiant white light' but you have to leave your mind , opinions and what you think are 'truths' behind. as a former atheist this was very hard to do but im glad i did because it is very rewarding as i realized my true nature in the process. you dont have to follow any moral codes or religions to connect to the source because its already within you.

[UnforgivingDemon]

@666j1 Your fucking delusional.

[666j1]

@yeshuahfullofit besides, why else would the majority of the people be either religious or spiritual?its not just seeking emotional comfort or ignorance. so, if you'd like to experience something which is beyond the mind and something the mind will never be able to comprehend i suggest you get in touch with your soul/consciousness/awareness and live in the moment , and yes you can get confirmation its real , and you can 'feel' your soul. or you could stay stuck in the intellect/mind. up to you.

[666j1]

@yeshuahfullofit lack of oxygen doesn't explain how a blind woman was able to see everything in full detail after she 'died', how people that are in coma can remember what relatives said when they were in eating lunch 2 floors below. look up PAM SEES GOD [scientific video about NDE].Most atheists i met are just as bad as the extremely religious who focus on dogma and silly moral codes.atheist are an arrogant bunch who like to act smug, judge others and pretend they're intellectually superior.

[yeshuahfullofit]

@666j1 And now, for something completely different, watch 'Pam Reynolds - the true story', posted by YT user swifferobi. Smug?! To whom, do you refer?

[yeshuahfullofit]

Oxygen deprivation to the brain. Same as pilots pulling heavy 'g's' and reporting tunnel vision with a white light caused by loss of blood flow to the brain. This has all been reported before. They even have the 'god helmet', where they can stimulate 'out of body experiences' and sensing another 'presence' close by. Too bad. There is a natural explanation for it all.

[pompousprick]

Jeff's first statement is about 99% of cases is complete bullshit.

[chica0616]

It's really funny how Matt and Jeff seem it necessary to explain away miracles. As I have said before, for the believer there is no proof necessary, for the unbeliever there is no proof possible. Matt is always looking for some evidence of a spiritual being, whose the idiot? spiritual means not physical, yet you require physical evidence of a being that you can not see. Hopefully one day God can just forget about the ignorance of these stupid men.

[MDEMONIC689]

There is an afterlife, but only atheists go to it.

To be honest OBE, NDE all of that stuff has nothing to do with atheism, there could be an afterlife without a god, or vice versa, it's a unknown unknown or what I personally like to call the Polynomial chaos of existence.

[casteldredge]

@NaturalStyleBJ DMT BABY!

[john832thetruth]

So, you think that Sir Issac Newton and Einstein were completely wrong in their determination that all human beings are absolutely created by something greater than ourselves; Newton was a hard core Christian by the way. He studied the Holy Bible more intensely than any other person that I know of in history. I mean, wake up people - your eternal destiny is at stake!!!!!!!!!

[viridismonasteriense]

@john832thetruth Newton was also a alchemist. And Einstein wasn't a theist in the conventional sense. Many times he claimed to be an atheist, but he believed in his own sort of deity, in fact therefore he got his entire own chapter on his views on God in Dawkins 'The God Delusion'. Get your facts straight.

[niinja2]

what about the experiences of 2 year old children who saw Jesus? they have no cultural backround

[john832thetruth]

Actually - go watch videos of near death experiences of people who have gone to hell - I've found that Jesus Christ is mentioned more often than not when these folks are in Hell and return. Food for thought.

[richi3mass3]

@john832thetruth. Maybe move to India and see if your "findings" still stand.

[hurley1]

@NaturalStyleBJ it's called DMT. It's a chemical that our brain produces but it's also in grass and plants and animals and stuff.

[john832thetruth]

@hurley1 There are two types of wisdom; according to God. Earthly and Heavenly.

If you are trying to wrap your head around this issue with earthly wisdom then what you are saying seems valid. From a spiritual standpoint however, these folks stories go beyond some 'chemical' occurrence in the brain. Seriously - open your eyes and quit thinking that we are just 'humans'. Have you not seen the movie called "The Matrix"? It hits on sort of the same concept but just reversed.

[cubencis]

@NaturalStyleBJ dmt. dimethyltriptamine is a chemical agent produced by ur pineal gland which is responsible for dreams (its a VERY powerful hallucinogenic which is also produced naturally in all animals), this chemical also gets released by a persons brain when they are near death which is probably responsible for visions of aliens, gods and so forth when under that kind of duress.

[john832thetruth]

@cubencis So, you think that Sir Issac Newton and Einstein were completely wrong in their determination that all human beings are absolutely created by something greater than ourselves; Newton was a hard core Christian by the way. He studied the Holy Bible more intensely than any other person that I know of in history. I mean, wake up people - your eternal destiny is at stake!!!!!!!!!

[cubencis]

@john832thetruth wtf are you talking about? that has nothing to do w this topic.

but i will comment this, your claims of newton are overstated. yeah he was christian, congratulations, so what?...and"He studied the Holy Bible more intensely than any other person that I know of in history" is a nonsense statement. 1. its not based on who YOU know 2. you didnt even know him. so how can you make that claim.

Stop trolling and fuck off. only christians say things as stupid as the shit u just wrote

[resedoton]

One of the best evidence for consciousness existing independantly of the brain is blind people from birth being able to see during an out of body/NDE..

[gazza512003]

These Guys will meet God and will be thinking i am in trouble

[LordBLB]

"Near-death experiences are tricks of the mind triggered by an overload of carbon dioxide in the bloodstream, a new study suggests."

National Geographic News / April 2010

[karn33333]

@Lord really that is interesting because the way I heard it explained was it was a lack of oxygen to the brain (which may or may not create carbon dioxide in the blood stream). The brain doesnt get enough oxygen and starts firing neurons left and right trying to grasp for survival since a lack of oxygen will shut down whole segments of neurons. than again I maybe completely wrong. penn and teller did a hell of an episode about it on BS. lots of airplane pilots had OBE during g force training

[lewisner]

Near Death Experiences don't impress me. Somebody dying, rigor mortis setting in and then mild decomposition, then the person coming back to life....that would impress the sit out of me.

[blackplatypus]

NDE's have been replicated! Numerous times!

NASA centrifuge tests have had people passing out and having vivid hallucinations for ages. They're normal! It's just your brain being an asshole because it's an idiot when it doesn't work it's best when it thinks you're dying.

It's common to see a tunnel, inexplicable lights and vivid hallucinations of flying.

Shrug it off and get on with your life.

[anonymous0s0egion]

As a result of my alcoholism, I died twice during my withdrawal. at that time I was a christian, when these events took place I saw no afterlife or anything there was an awareness of myself dying then nothing until I was revived which was some few moments after both times.

[hunchback234]

fuck these assholes.. guess they know because they've had a near death experience too right.. fucking idiots.. oh and i've heard 5 athiest that had near death experiences and they said that the exact same things that a believer would say.. so fuck these ignorant assholes

[Delinexwow]

And ive heard christians say theyve seen nothing. ive seen christians claim they are jesus. ive seen muslims claim they seen their god...whats your problem fucktard? you dont like being told you shouldnt believe everything you hear? they arent ignorant at all, they are using studies to back themselves up, you have nothing period.  and id say you are making shit up anyway. go get a fucking education.

[rrpostalagain]

[i've heard 5 athiest that had near death experiences]

Really? Most believers don't know 5 atheists much less 5 who have had near death experiences. If you are looking for "stories", you can find some to back up any crazy claim you could possibly come up with.

[weepaul666]

Read Rick Strassmans book on DMT. He explains that DMT is a drug that is produced by your pineal gland in your brain, which is responible for dreaming. When you are asleep, your brain pumps out this drug, which makes you think crazy shit. At the moment of death, or when your body think it's going to die, it pumps out a hundred times the amount compared to when you are sleeping. They think this is the answer to the "near death experience" thing

[Lobotaru]

There are two kinds of NDE's. Those that are clearly hallucinations and those that clearly have more substance to them. I know of at least one NDE where the person was medically brain dead at the time and was able to accurately report objects and events going on in the room from third person. Pam Reynolds is a well documented example of that.

But yeah, when someone says they had an NDE and saw Baby Jesus, you can be pretty sure they were hallucinating.

[SCRulerShinoda]

and about the ones that say they see snakes and are afraid and shit?

[Lobotaru]

Depends: Are the snakes accompanied by an entourage of sexy harem girls or is it just snakes?

Because if its with sexy harem girls I'm not coming back lol.

[SCRulerShinoda]

I'm sure it's just snakes accompanied by a horrible overwhelming fear. one account I've heard said that the guy who died heard a voice saying "You're coming with me" and a hand on his arm grabbing him.

[balkan2k]

Sorry, but Pam Reynolds was measured to be in a vegetative state, but this has shown to actually not preclude unconscious brain activity.

Conscious brain activity, yes, but the vast majority of our mental faculties operate outside of consciousness. It is therefore possible for a person in a vegetative state to actually hear what people around them are saying.

[Lobotaru]

That still does not explain how the person can have accurate visual information (without error) of that person's surroundings only acquirable from a third person view point.

I understand where you are coming from and, yes, it does explain some NDE's. However, I wouldn't use that information to automatically discount all NDE's as just hallucinations.

[balkan2k]

AFIK the only visual description was of the tool used to remove her skull. She was declared braindead for only 5 minutes out of the several hours of the procedure, the rest of the time she was only either partially or fully unconscious, making it highly dubious that she could accurately claim that the moment of her NDE coincided with those 5 mins. Especially if you know a little about the effects of anaesthetics, e.g. that it can create the effect of out of body experiences.

[balkan2k]

So what you have is claims from people - who made money on that claim - that she did not know anything about how the operation would take place and could have had no prior knowledge of the appearance of the tool.

Remember, the dialogue she heard was while in unconscious, NOT braindead state.

Generally I think this *clearly* does not count as evidence. However, it warrants further investigation - which ideed have been done with absolutely NO succes in any scientifically monitored NDE case.

[balkan2k]

If forgot:

Your "accurate visual information without error" is the following:

She *claimed* to be surprised that the tool "looked like a toothbrush" and not a saw.

[Lobotaru]

I stand corrected! Thanks for the information. I missed some of this.

[balkan2k]

Yeah, the facts always change on stories like that :-) One can never be too careful.

[rrpostalagain]

Oh sure there are the hallucinations and then the "real" NDEs. Now I get it. Wait a minute! Isn't one of the things hallucinations are known for is that they seem very real? But I'm sure there is some very good way of telling these apart. Like if I dream about walking around my bedroom and looking at my alarm clock, it's bound to be real because I knew what was in my room, right?

You are simply rationalizing about something you are determined to believe despite any facts that get in the way.

[Lobotaru]

@rrpostalagain

You haven't read all my posts and the one you are responding to is from... 4 months ago.

My misconception came from a particular case study that was rectified by someone else earlier. If you are just trying to find some hapless theistic slob to start a verbal fist fight with, be my guest. But I'm not one of them.

[nldnde]

Why would nders report 'new' experiences or say they saw colors and heard music they never heard before, if it is about brain memories? When they have greeters why are they greeted solely by people who have died before? Why not a parent who is living? Not all NDErs will have an Out of Body Expience.. But there is already documentation about heart patients reporting they saw things they could not have seen. (Pam Reynolds)There is a new OBE test underway. Maybe this one will have some results.

[PigHunter375]

I don't really sit on one side of the fence or the other, but they failed to mention NDE's in blind persons, and in children.

Hopefully in the coming years more research will be done in this area.

[bangNL94]

Ah! Now I understand, but, ehm, what does an atheist see when he hass a nde? I've never heard of an atheist having an nde.

[canuckman87]

its no different than when you dream, thedse supposive ''near death meeting jesus'' experiences.

[Subutubiata]

I've had some fucking weird experiences with my brain still alive. (DMT, LSD, Psilocybin).

[Th2EyA0rEa1MoN2gUs]

There is only one creator.

[Tremordeth]

They have simulated near death exes by stimulating the brain in a certain way... so its all bullshit

[concerto35]

I differ from you. Over 10 million Americans have had Near -Death Experiences. If you did not know, there are atheists, like yourselves, that have had near-death experiences and have come back as Christians believers. Now this is not uncommon. There is another story that is becoming quite well-know on the net: Buddhist Monk visits Hell. When he returned from death after 3 days, 300 Buddhists converted to Christianity. There are genuine and counterfeit near-death experiences however.

[manifesto2000]

I am very glad that you produce this show. I read a book "What Happens When We Die" a couple of years ago. This book was written by a British neurosurgeon Sam Parnia - who has studied the responses of rescuscitated patients who were able to recall observations from the ceiling - where signs were placed - and reports from patients who claimed to observe things on the surface of the hospital roof. Dr Parnia believes that the brain is a conduit to a universal consciousness.

[ushimanni]

DMT

[kyokumajr]

Coma? Vegetative state? Lethargic sleep?

[flubno]

Alot of near death exp. are different from each other. Each person says something a little different. I was talking to a guy who was criticly wounded in Vietnam and he said he felt like he was fading away to nothing. Also a guy at work had a heart attack, dropped dead and turn blue before the fire truck got there. He said the same thing, he felt he was fading away to nothing. But that was the exp. of only those 2 people.

[mouzouki]

I thought atheists were a bit more intelligent than that! He talked about the sign experiment to disprove afterlife? Thats pathetic and funny as well.

[kyokumajr]

Why?

If indeed those people "float out of their bodies in air" as they claim. Such things would be perfectly fine to check.

How is it bad?

[mouzouki]

There are testimonies from people who were able to describe surgical tools that the doctors used to operate on them as well as how they used them and in what sequence. A very good example is that of Pam Reynolds who had brain surgery while her eyes were taped shut and the monitor attached to her body registered "no life" whatsoever. She was able to describe the position of the nurses and doctors, the conversations and everything that took place in there. No need for experiments with signs.

[kyokumajr]

Alright, so what would be the difference in that & putting a experiment tablet?

What do you mean by "no life" was registered in her? How was that measured?

Furthermore, it's not called a NEAR-death experience for nothing. Even if very small, & impossible to test with our current equipment, there is still some brain activity; dispite the heart muscle stopping to work.

[LotusGreenX]

"There are testimonies from people who were able to describe surgical tools that the doctors used to operate on them as well as how they used them and in what sequence."

Can you give a link? I have heard Gary Habermas talk about it, but I haven't actually heard much pro or con for the verasity of these claims.

[JamesCizuz]

@mouzouki

So people describe surgical tools that they already know what they look like from prior experiences. Are you honestly going to tell me someone has never seen surgical tools ever?

That is why the sign is used as the control, an actual test and since they can see those surgical tools so well, what prevents them from describing the sign? Even when told to look for it if they do have such an event?

[frattydan]

Please, everyone. Don't engage idiots who have the scientific understanding of 10 year olds and who talk about monitors registering "no life." (I loled when I read that btw). These people are worthy of nothing but mockery.

[mouzouki]

You'll be loling too when you pop out of your asshole, float above it and start staring at it in awe. Do me a favor and try not to jump like a fart next time and attack people for no reason.

[mosostow]

You're an idiot.

No.... really.

[Leadman1989]

the sign probably says if you can see this your to close

[SplinterCellWarrior]

Lol, that's me calling.

[kyokumajr]

lol

It's funny how to almost every caller video I keep getting "That's me calling!!"

:)

[invadvice]

Purely anecdotal, but I know three people who have "died" (flat-lined) and were "brought back". All three had NOTHING supernatural to report. One person is Catholic and continues believing and going to church (her belief didn't become stronger). The second is a christian, but rarely attends service (he didn't become a stronger christian). The third actually became a worse person after the experience (although much of that could be attributed to brain damage).

[Theologica37]

If God didn't exist, there would not be any atheists.

[kyokumajr]

That was a Fail on so many levels I don't even know where to start...

[RedDaVincy]

If there was no BELIEF in god, claiming to be an atheist would be more silly than it is already. I mean silly in the way that it's assumed everybody has some sort of religious belief and not... nothing.

[acfacf4321]

I don't believe in the "Flying Spaghetti Monster"... does that mean that it exists, as well? This is not a rhetorical question-- I expect an honest answer from you.

[Theologica37]

The point (which made all these atheists absolutely furious) was that everybody in the world knows God, in one way or another. Some people claim non existence, others confess to his existence. Your 'flying spaghetti monster' fallacy doesn't apply in this sense. Look at Hellen Keller, and what she communicated after she was able to do so. Even she knew God, and she had NO communication with the outside world until later in her life; even she knew Him.

I very much doubt claiming ignorance bliss

[JonathanClement140]

You know what a REALLY ironic thing about what he said is? "Everyone reports seeing what they believe!" Atheists have reported it "fading to black".

[kyokumajr]

Um... actualy everyone reports THAT, when they lose contiousness or don't see a hallucination during a near death experience.