South Africa will be saved by God. The God from the Bible, the God of the TRUE Israël. God's people are the Christians. There will be a WHITE, Christian government again, and the nation will expand to half of the African continent. It will be the most powerful, wealthy, and prosperous Christian power in the world. More powerful than the United States. Done with muslems or black power. Jesus will bless South Africa, and throw her enemies out.
Sorry, jan. As i remember it, the Jewish money power, and the British have grabbed South Africa from the Boers (in the Boer war). They have eventually put a Communist terrorist (Nelson Mandela) as their puppet. all because of South Africa's natural wealth. jews are horny on gold and diamonds. And the British Crown, international robbers as they are, were all too happy to assist with their troops.
wow these comments, this is why a lot of people are not suscribing to reigion anymore. i noticed that a lot of religious people are xeno phoebic psychopaths playing dungeons & dragons with a prehistoric role play fantasy book. if someone is trying to take your homeland you better get "criminally insane" real quick because your dealing with a psychopath.
no way to compare south africa to the criminal state of isra-hell
what country in this time use the White phosphorus bombs Against civilians!! it's Isra-hell .., trying to make this dam country to be compare with boer! or south africa is so fucking stupid loser try!
@MrZcc01@HERRARABIMPERIAL you are both just pieces of shit!lol jews and negers? perhaps arabs and negers? or maybe arabs and jews?! whites and asians? I think none of them are superior,eh, I mean inferior, just perhaps your mamas and your selves for being so stupid!
jews and negers are the worst parasites on the earth. so don't consider over sahara the arab countries african because we are not we are white arabs . and the sahara divide our races .
For now we parasites brought technology medicine and other things to the world.recieved about 180 nobel prizes..and we are less than 1 or 2 percent in the world population.
You Arabs brought nothing but terror,pain,270 million deaths throughout the years of Islam,and you contributed absolutley NOTHING besides pain and a Headache to the entire fucking world.
@HebrewFatherland You blokes are doing the same to Arabs that S.A did to the Blacks. If it was not for that one fact you would have the worlds sympathy.
Actually not,we do not segragate Israeli Arabs,and that is a fact you can't deny,you can bring up examples of how arabs got unfair treatment here and there,or how gaza's arabs life is shitty.
but legally,Israeli Arabs have all the Rights,they go to universities,some of them are parlament members(were there any black parlament members in SA?).
SA was best under apartheid though,after apartheid what we got?crazy black bloodthirsty negroes killing 40,000 boers.
Actually not,we do not segragate Israeli Arabs,and that is a fact you can't deny,you can bring up examples of how arabs got unfair treatment here and there,or how gaza's arabs life is shitty.
but legally,Israeli Arabs have all the Rights,they go to universities,some of them are parlament members(were there any black parlament members in SA?).
SA was best under apartheid though,after apartheid what we got?crazy black bloodthirsty negroes killing 40,000 boers.
@HebrewFatherland If your racism is indicative of the average Israeli, you guys are screwed. Incredible! you guys have just endured the slaughter of Stalin and Hitler and immediately turn around and do the same to others? WoW. Im speechless.
Just because people like you are actually retarded enough to believe that anything we ever done or plan to do is as bad as the Mass slaughters of Stalin and Hitler,we don't give a damn about you.
Talk to me when Israel will build concentration camps and gulags.for now it doesn't even stop providing the Gaza region with EVERYTHING they need to live,even electricity and gas.
also,not to mention Arab Israelis who are citizens with all the Rights,including voting
And Most of the Israelis are Patriots and Right wing.
And most of them also don't trust any "Peace agreements" with Arabs,that are based on giving land to Palestinians.because from their own exprience they know who are Arabs and that it is impossible to live with them.
And if you don't like it that's your problem.
We are screwed right now with our government that listens to morons like you.
We will not be screwed when we start doing what's good for us,and deporting Arabs away
The only differnce is,we are not gonna let the Arabs reach to the position the Negroes got in South Africa,controlling Israel.
because if that happens we will get slaughtered by those savages like the Whites did with the Negro savages.
We support each other.we don't give a rat's ass about the so called "world sympathy" the same world rulled by Marxist Self hating White\Jewish scum who kiss the Arabs ass and bully on Nations like SA,Israel,and Serbia
@HebrewFatherland DO you think you are the first racist to have your sentiments? The Americans, South Africans, Hitler, all thought the exact same, and they had several advantages that you Blokes lack. One is a great public relations machine.
the south africans never had great public relations,they were condemned as a Racist country and after the apartheid ended,almost no one cared of how they got genocided.
The criminal Mandella who sings "kill the boers" is considered a humanist hero in the western marxist world today.
we fight for what we believe,we fight for justice and we don't give a damn if the whole world is mad and goes against us.we do not back down to this crap.
@HebrewFatherland WoW! you chaps have really lost your way. Unfortunately for you the world sees it. If you think S.A.'s PR was bad, then good because you guys are in that exact same position. Take it from an outsider who was formerly sympathetic.
@HERRARABIMPERIAL The Sahara does not divide you, Africa does. Egypt is Arab only because of the invasions in the 7th century. It was a country of the Blacks not Arabs. You scream about racism, yet you perpetuate it all the same. I hate what the Jews have done to you, but you should even be more sympathetic to others.
@wwefanworld yeah if the white crackers never went 2 africa w,be no gaste warkers in ur fucking hell place ,where ppl died by cold bad food and taxes,
Furthermore: the entire name of Afrikaans historian André Du Toit is of French origin further demonstrating the solidly documented non Dutch origins of the Afrikaans population.
Furthermore D F Malan [ another name of French origin BTW ] did not even win the popular vote. Just like George W Bush did not in 2000 & just as Lucien Bouchard did not in Quebec. Malan just barely won enough seats to form a government. Ergo: The Grand Apartheid laws ie: Separate Development was passed after MOST PEOPLE DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR IT! The bulk of Grand Apartheid was passed BEFORE the National Party even "legitimized" [ such as it was ] itself via a national election.
The National Party did not keep wining necessarily due to its Apartheid policies [ the only political party with a clear anti-Apartheid policy was the Progressive Party which became the official opposition in 1981 - 1987 ] but more likely due to the fact that the opposition parties were just not viewed as "electable" which is an OLD ruling elite stunt often pulled to get their favoured political party elected for whatever agenda driven reason.
The N P was increasingly voted back into government due to an INEFFECTIVE & OR DIVIDED POLITICAL OPPOSITION. Recall that the main opposition political party the U P could NEVER formulate a coherent ALTERNATIVE to Apartheid or even to the National Party itself. Quite similar to how the current opposition political parties can not formulate a coherent opposition to the [ puppet ] ruling ANC. Though this new COPE puppet outfit looks to change this to some degree but still tethered to the elites.
Well not all Boers are religious & Afrikaans historian André Du Toit notes that the Boers once had their own homegrown religious beliefs before the exponential growth of the Christian faith during the late 19th cent.
I hope the Boers never get chased out of SA, where would they go. They are the best farmers in SA and their input in the country is invaluable. But they can continue to do so without the controversial re-establishment of Boer Republics. I didn't bother reading any other comments you made because I don't want to argue with Saffas anymore, however long they may have been out of SA, or however much I disagree with them.
Which is an absolute shame because my posts from yesterday were among some of the most vital information packed ones I have posted. Which I think could really help shed some light on certain issues reflected in the one dimensional often erroneous assumptions as asserted within your [ & some others ] comments. I will re post just a few of the more important ones which shed light on certain matters & might have gotten overlooked in yesterday's avalanche of posts.
Ergo the person who was alleged to have uttered that neo-imperial racist expression WAS NOT AN AUTHENTIC REPRESENTATIVE of the Boer perspective as the Boers do not want to rule over South Africa: a macro State that they never even wanted [ as it was imposed onto all ] & most do not even recognize it as such because the Boer Republicans want their republics back not the macro State of South Africa which they never even controlled.
Robert van Tonder was extremely opposed to the Nazi provocateurs & even HATED the AWB flag [ even though it is technically a Triskelion not a Swastika ] which he often told people to FOLD UP & PUT IT AWAY WHEN HE WAS ASKED TO SPEAK at certain Boer Republican events where the AWB was at as well. Furthermore: none other then Professor Tobias Louw has publicly noted in an open letter that NO BOER WANTS SOUTH AFRICA. Ergo that person who was alleged to have uttered the racist expression...
Claiming that all White people are responsible for Apartheid is akin to claiming that all Americans are responsible for the war against Iraq. What you forget is that those executive [ <---- ] decisions are made at the top of the political power structure. George W Bush never consulted the American people in his decision to impose war. Neither did Malan [ or any of the other previous Apartheid South African leaders ] ever consult the South African people before imposing his decision.
Well of course not all whites were responsible, like Joe Slovo but many always say well we were oppressed too because we couldn't say anything because we were afraid of being attacked. And that is understandable but yet the NP was incessantly voted back into government. They way of life for white man was so much better, and many couldn't afford to loose it, but when apartheid ended the reality of poverty that was lived in the twonships spilled all over the country.
Joe Slovo was Jewish & they tend not to see themselves as White or part of what is termed White people. Furthermore: Joe Slovo was a convenient willing puppet of the Soviet Union further complicating the notion that he was somehow an authentic anti-Apartheid local White South African as his motives were as clouded as Mandela & De Klerk. The N P was increasingly voted back into government due to the employment of the SAME TECHNIQUE WHICH MOST OTHER Western countries use ie: an ineffective...
The N P was increasingly voted back into government due to the employment [ or sometimes just happenstance ] of the SAME TECHNIQUE WHICH MOST OTHER Western countries use ie: an INEFFECTIVE & OR DIVIDED POLITICAL OPPOSITION. Recall that the main opposition political party the U P could NEVER [ or perhaps were not supposed to ie: controlled opposition ] formulate a coherent ALTERNATIVE to Apartheid [ they often acquiesced or even SUPPORTED it ] or even to the National Party itself.
Quite similar to how the current opposition political parties can not formulate a coherent opposition to the [ puppet ] ruling ANC. Though this new COPE puppet outfit looks to change this to some degree. The National Party did not keep wining necessarily due to its Apartheid policies [ the only political party with a clear anti-Apartheid policy was the Progressive Party which became the official opposition in 1981 - 1987 ] but more likely due to the fact that the opposition parties were just...
The National Party did not keep wining necessarily due to its Apartheid policies [ the only political party with a clear anti-Apartheid policy was the Progressive Party which became the official opposition in 1981 - 1987 ] but more likely due to the fact that the opposition parties were just not viewed as "electable" which is an OLD ruling elite stunt often pulled to get their favoured political party elected for whatever agenda driven reason.
Furthermore D F Malan [ another name of French origin BTW ] did not even win the popular vote. Just like George W Bush did not in 2000 & just as Lucien Bouchard did not in Quebec. Malan just barely won enough seats to form a government. Ergo: The Grand Apartheid laws ie: Separate Development was passed after MOST PEOPLE DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR IT! The bulk of Grand Apartheid was passed BEFORE the National Party even "legitimized" [ such as it was ] itself via a national election.
It was not until 1953 that the National Party actually won the popular vote & this was AFTER they absorbed the Afrikaner Party of N C Havenga who btw was Malan's preferred successor for Prime Minister instead of Hans Strijdom who four years after assuming office suddenly died under mysterious & contested circumstances particularly after the Afrikaner establishment caught him talking about restoring the Boer Republics. Another point on which you eerily agree with the Afrikaner Nationalists on.
The ironic thing is that the "way of life"for the White people WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN BETTER [ except for most Boer people of course who were & are the poorest segment of the White population who were often employed by the State or on mines ] even if Apartheid had never existed just because they had always had inherent advantages. Not to burst you bubble but the same rich people during Apartheid are STILL rich as only the middles class & working class White people are getting poorer.
The Zulus stood up at a 1985 meeting with the South African government to attest to the fact that they still recognize Boer sovereignty in the region after the notion was at first RIDICULED by the Right Wingers & even the government itself when it was initially raised at the meeting by none other than the State vilified Robert van Tonder of the Boerestaat Party. The notion that a Boeremag type group has to exist is ABSURD ON ITS FACE in light of the facts.
Furthermore: not one of the accused HAS EVER BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF A SINGLE CRIME yet they languish in prison with the court case being dragged out ad infinitum. At lest the ANC accused were giving a prompt trial with full access to a legal defense while these pitiful accused ARE DENIED THEIR INHERENT RIGHT to a prompt trial & an adequate defense. Why turn them into martyrs? Furthermore: the bomb which exploded was a MILITARY GRADE BOMB!!!!! Ispo Facto: The operation has State fingerprints.
Co-ersion, co-ersion. I'm sorry do you want a lollipop? Oh right, if they can't afford a good defense than that's their baby but tyrants like that shouldn't be on the streets. Terrorists is what they are!!!
I guess they'll have to stay 27 years in prison too.
The point about Apartheid was that it was not some grass roots movement & it certainly was not a movement of Boers even if some of the Afrikaners often usurped the history of the Boers in order to justify their program. The only time the Boers ever mobilized in a grass roots campaign was when they were trying to restore their conquered republics. Which they stood at 300 000 plus & were STOPPED by the Afrikaner establishment. Apartheid was imposed by an elite who were not from the Boer folk.
And isn't the Boeremag a group that enstills this pride to be ''Boere'' and holds this ideology that the ''Boere'' have lost their identity? and isn't the Boeremag the group that was responsible for the 2002 Soweto Bombings, or the plan to train 4000 boer soldiers so that they could go on a reign of terror taking over their so called ''Republics' and pushing all the blacks to KZN, where the blacks will be extinguished?
Which begs the question who is really on the side of oppression here?
There is no such group as the Boeremag! This is State & media propaganda. The term Boeremag was coined by the State & the media. Please view the video I uploaded called: Term Boeremag coined by the media. Furthermore: the leader of the alleged Boeremag was none other than a DOUBLE AGENT WITH THE STATE & had ties to the American CIA. Does this sound like a legitimate Boer group? Or perhaps a FALSE FLAG OPERATION directed by the State in order to DEMONIZE Boer self determination.
Can you not recognize a State sponsored false flag operation when you see one?! Why the hell would any segment of the Boer people EVER attempt to engage in such a ridiculous exercise when much of the Boer Republics are already there for the taking? Without even a shot being fired no less! The only logical reason that there even exists an alleged operation of this sort is to demonize the humble God fearing & LAW ABIDING Boer people in a desperate attempt at creating a radical image of them.
This excersise I guess is separation...yes? if so then yeah it was a ridiculous excercise and the Boers practiced it fully and heartily. In your mind the Boers are victims of co-ersion, victims of British oppression, ect. ect. as I have said before whatever type of white there is in SA all of them are held accountable for apartheid. To let me even get into the rediculous question of religion, it is their religious beliefs that made them think they're are gods favourute.
Well at least you admit here in this comment that you arbitrarily hold all White people responsible for the top down imposed Apartheid laws in an exercise of collective punishment. The notion of collective punishment is not supported by the United Nations. The Boers were coerced simply because they were conquered & colonized by the various Apartheid powers. No. Not their religious beliefs: it was nothing more than Afrikaner Nationalist propaganda which recast the humble Boers as White racialist.
You know what? we have differing views, we could never see eye to eye. Your issue or the Boers issue is with the British and to now propose that the Republics should be re-established is very injurious to the SA I grew up knowing in which everyone could get the chance to go to that good school in the city, or getting the skills training you deserve.
I think their religious beliefs are nonsense, but I also think that of all religious beliefs. a world without religion would be markedly better.
This is the problem: you accuse the facts I have presented as just being "differing views" as thought that could sweep them under the carpet in the hope that no one else will notice. The Boer issue goes beyond just the British elite but of course the British elite is still the strongest vehicle of anti-Boer propaganda. No. The notion that restoring the Boer Republics is "injurious" is pure unadulterated nonsense which is propaganda straight from the desks of the British elite.
The restoration of the Boer Republics would do wonders for the entire region. First it would start to stop the escalating genocide against the Boer people which was been going on in increasing numbers since 1991. Next: it would thus help maintain the region's ability in producing its own produce & prevent the areas from going like Zimbabwe where famine looms because the White farmers were chased off. Next: the republics would represent a form of political stability ensuring economic growth.
Growth which would benefit the entire region due to trade & job creation. Furthermore: who said the Boer Republics would prevent people from going to school? Furthermore: who said that the republics would even take all of the cities? Even none other than Terreblanche has DISCLAIMED Johannesburg & renounced any claim to that monstrosity of a town. Which is where the British & Afrikaans money powers are headquartered & where the majority of the Bantu people within the old Boer Republics live.
For one thing the Zulus of Northern Natal recognize Boer sovereignty in the region & continue to honour the pledge they made with the local Boers back in 1884 when King Dinizulu granted them some land [ after enlisting the Boers' services to help quell a British backed revolt ] on which the Vryheid Republic [ which uses a Vierkleur with the blue & green colours switched ] was established. The Vryheid Republic was later annexed by Britain & the western part was absorbed into the ZAR.
Dingaan [ you dingbat ] was a PREDECESSOR of Dinizulu & true Dingaan did change his mind concerning the treaty he signed with Retief [ a name of French origin ] then killed him & his delegation along with 500 Boer civilians camped out near Bloukrans. The Boers entered into alliances with Mpande & later Dinizulu & were in alliances with the Rolong & Griqua prior.
But still Dingane changed his mind. And that to me nullifies the agreement. It was sly and back-handed of him, but still he did it anyway. Maybe he realised something we can't know.
It does not matter whether Dingaan changed his mind or not because the Natalia Republic IS NOT BEING CLAIMED BY THE BOERS! Only the ZAR / OVS & Vryheid Republic are being claimed. The treaty with Dingaan only applied to land which the Natalia Republic was later established which was established with the consent of King Mpande by the way who openly wept when he was unable to visit a Boer friend who was murdered by the British before he could see him one more time. So much for your false debate.
South Africa is an illegitimate macro State which is nothing but an unstable house of cards being propped up by British & American intelligence & the moment the elites start their World War 3 [ which will probably be this year ] South Africa the macro State will collapse because the foreign intelligence groups will be MUCH more concerned with their own national security situation. The various countries which existed prior to British conquest will likely be re-established.
World war 3, eh? well aren't you a troublesome kid. SA is legitimate enough for me and many Saffas.
Listen foreign boy, you just keep your nose on Canadian matters and leave Saffas to debate among themselves about the state of SA. Many Saffas want a united SA, and a united SA they shall get.
You never quite said who these london based elite are.
Though you are only accepting the illegitimate "legitimacy" of South Africa due ONLY to being propagandized into supporting it in the hopes of being thrown a few scraps from the lavish plates of the ruling elite who gorge on your hard labour. Just like a lot of Boers did in the hope of gaining a little something in the past. Which I find ironic because you both are being sold out by the rulers.
Good grief! The West conquered the entire region & much of Africa as well: all in an oppressive & often successful attempt at controlling it. The region was not so "developing" until the West invaded & deracinated the locals & separated them from their traditions.
Well since I was born there I think I have at least SOME right to contribute to a debate. Furthermore: Canada is largely illegitimate as well as it is ALSO still run by the British & the London based elite & bankers. What you forget is the flip side of your assertion. Which is: numerous Boers & other local national groups want their countries back - & restoring their countries & republics they shall get.
You were born there and now you're Canadian. You have very minimal right to contribute to anything because it isn't you has lived in SA for years seeing a gelled community. even that nonsense about people wanting their ''countries'' back is really stupid, it's nothing short of tribilism. And tribilism is what lead to Afrca's downfall. One can acknowledge the different tribe and also acknowledge a South Africa for all
Well you are the one who is clearly on the side of oppression here as you have PARROTED the same unthinking nonsense concerning the so called Boeremag [ which was never authenticated or proved to have ever existed ] because you have automatically PRESUMED that the ACCUSED [ do you understand what accused means? it does not mean proved! ] are all "guilty" of what the STATE alleges without applying an OUNCE of critical thinking to the matter.
Why the hell would they need to train 4000 soldiers when they have 100 000 who are already trained , many who have fought and killed in Angola and elsewhere. Each one had to do his national service of 2 years prior to the new south africa 1990. and how on earth do you believe that 4000 will push so many millions into the sea ?
IBRON1000 , I suggest you put brain into gear before opening mouth . Your narrow mindedness isa waste of time .
My brain is perfect where it is, thank you. Well I don't know, maybe they are that daft, so as to assume that they'd push all the blacks to KZN with 4000 people, it really doesn't bode well for the quality of intelligence in the Boeremag, and where are the 100,000 now? nowhere to be seen because only a few people support their cause, and I bet some of that 100,000 are in the post apartheid army,and the ANC won't order them to push blacks to KZN.
Frankly people with those views in SA are now seen as extremists, and nuts & many of my white SA friends (afrikaners or the so called Boers disassociate themselves those ideologies because they have no place in today's democratic SA. If Boers want their identity they should re-visit the pages of history, and they'll see that some of their ancestors were all too happy to have a devided SA, all too happy to participate in apartheid.
No. The Afrikaners are not Boers as they are of Cape Dutch descent. No. South Africa is not democratic! This is just the facade that the British Imperialists use to disguise their continued not so covert rule. Mandela / De Klerk were MI6. No. The Boers ALREADY HAVE THEIR identity! It's Afrikaner & English propagandists who assert that the Boers have "no identity" because the Afrikaner & English want to continue to benefit from the British run economy stemming from the mining industries.
Divided South Africa? Are you mad? South Africa is a macro State that was the result of a FORCED merger among the various nations / Kingdoms & Republics that the British conquered! I think you have just outed yourself as a British Imperialist because they are the only people who most talk about a "united" South Africa as though this monstrosity was ever a legitimate country because it came as a result of a non consultative configuration.
The Separate Development phase of Apartheid [ as unjust as it often was ] was mainly a clumsy attempt at GIVING BACK THE LANDS [ the major ones ] that the British stole from the various Bantus: a lopsided attempt at decolonization. The problem of course was that the establishment did not want to give up the macro State itself which should have been reformed out of existence.
The Boers were not "all too happy" [ this is emotive based language! ] to "participate" [ a priori argument ] in Apartheid because due to the fact that they were often co-opted by the Cape based Afrikaners & that Apartheid WAS THE LAW OF THE LAND [ would you have been courageous enough to stand up to the system as most people are not ] as Apartheid was a top down system not a grass roots movement as it was passed & enforced by the secretive Broederbond who ran rough shod over Boer aspirations.
You know what mate I like South Africa united and there's nothing you can say that will justify your stance. There aren't many black & white Saffas who believe that the Boers have a god given right to re-establish their Republics because that's not what SA stands for anymore. So the Boers can keep throwing their tantrums but like babies they'll grow out of it, with the introduction of new generations. And the Boer republics were separatist (and I think apartheid means separation).
Of course a modern British Imperialist like you would like a "united" [ fascist ] South Africa so as to better steal its resources. But the Griquas / Tswanas / Boers / & Zulus [ perhaps even the Xhosas too ] WANT THEIR COUNTRIES BACK! The countries that you pro British Imperialists stole from them back in the 19th cent. The fact of the matter is that it is not up to you or I whether the Boers restore their hard fought for republics as it is a matter that is solely up to them.
Facist, imperialists.....boy isn't someone throwing their toys out of the pram. All my friends Xhosa, Zulu, Boers, Afrikaners, Coloreds, etc. are for a united SA. We can acknowledge the different tribes of people but I certainly think that SA is better combined than separate. Besides black people lost their land, when it was forciblly taken from them. My point is everyone lost what they worked for and so we should move on with the zeitgeist.
The zeitgeist is just another meme & a modern form of imperialism because the average citizen will NEVER gain from the macro State of South Africa as it only ever benefits a small London based elite who make all of the decisions. The point of the various peoples reclaiming their countries goes to the heart of STOPPING this foreign elite from their continued plundering of the region as it re-instates the inherent right of national self determination.
The zeitgeist has changed from the time when all Boers believed they should have Boer Republics to now where most Boers believe in united SA, and they are extremely proud to be Boere too. And who are these London based elite who make all the decisions?
The Boer Professor Tobias Louw would highly disagree with you that most Boers want a united South Africa. The London bankers STILL run the South African economy & control the banks & anything of significance. Which just shows you up to be the empty suit that you are as I notice that you have not once called for the foreign elite to be EXPELLED from running what you infer as you country? I find this MOST interesting.
We live in an era of Globalisation,& if it took the British,whilst controlling the ANC,to free blacks than so be it. & for that I'm chuffed.We will just have to see if the Boers will have the Republics back and as I said: fish will have to ride bicycyles before that happens. The police were ordered by the apartheid government to shoot-to-disperse and a bunch of kids were shot there. The kids weren't rioting, they were protesting, loudly and they had attracted attention from locals and the media.
Well it is refreshing to see a British Imperialist admit as much! A lot of people do not like the continued British control of the region. Who only control it of course for access to the resources. Frankly what the police did during the attempted Apartheid era is of no concern to the issue of Boer Republic restoration.
Nelson Mandela in his book points out that they had no problem with them being given their own place to live and their own state, but it's only when things became unfair that the need to a ANC became apparent. But will can't ever revert back to those times because SA is far better as one than as different state. You think I'm indocrinated and I think that you are!!
Though seeing as he was exposed as a tool of MI6 by Stephen Dorrill & that he was named after an historic British icon & educated at a British missionary school: it is clear that his true motivations were compromised. Remember: the British manipulated events behind the scenes in order to justify their later re-involvement in the region.
The Apartheid establishment never quite represented the Boers because the Apartheid establishment only represented the secretive Broederbond which formulated the Separate Development phase of the Apartheid laws. The Broederbond was Cape based & its earlier incarnations was REBUFFED by the Boers of the Boer Republics who were wary of Cape Afrikaner domination. Furthermore there was never a referendum on the approving of the Apartheid laws as they were passed in an non consultative fashion.
Fair enough mate,you believe it, I certainly do not. Even the sheer establishment of Boer Republics was absurd and stunk of an oppressive stench,which quite frankly I'm glad it was removed.
This is not a matter of "belief" but sheer facts. The TRUE belief was the erroneous notion that the Boers were part of the Afrikaners who subjugated them as this belief was promoted in order for the Cape Dutch to dispossess the Boer. The establishment of the Boer Republics was the result of British incursions against the Boers therefore the local Boers decided that the notion of state formation might held defend themselves against the British Colonial power & prevent them from being colonized.
Oh right,but isnt this immense sense of being proud to be Boer & actually disassociating themselves from Afrikaners & proclaiming themselves as Boerevolk & believing they have a lost identity a recent thing?maybe as far back as the 80s but the most resent I know is 2002 when they reenacted the Battle of Amajuba,which used to celebrate Afrikaner victory over the Brits,but now it has political taste to it in which ''boerevolk'' distance themselves from Afrikaaners.I wonder why the change of heart?
No it is not a recent thing as the Boers were demanding the restoration of their republics during the 1940s BEFORE the the Separate Development phase of Apartheid was passed. Boer identity was never "lost"! This is Afrikaner talking point bullshit. The Afrikaners DID NOT FIGHT THE BRITISH!!!!! The Afrikaner fought WITH the British!!!!! The Boers fought against the British.
Hey, it is Boers that keep saying that they felt that they were losing their identity, so I'm not just plucking shit out of nothing. And the recent thing I was talking about was the immense sense of pride in Boer, which sped to a trot in the 80's and gathered pace ever since then. This began when it was becomming apparrent that the whites were losing the battles, because they under estimated the ANC's ability to organise and to plan.
Now you are conflating & confusing the reality of Boer identity under pressure with the Afrikaner notion that the Boers " have no identity" or culture a la anti-Boer Max Du Preez. Give me a break! It has been exposed by the Afrikaans liberal turned civil rights activist Dan Roodt that the ANC was recruited by the National Party in order to groom an "acceptable" political successor. What you forget is that the National Party & its ANC offshoot are BOTH inimical to Boer rights.
Well the NP weren't much friends to the ANC when they killed lchildren for protesting, or assissinating many people or even dehumanising blacks. Granted talks were held when aparthied was ending between De Klerk and Mandela to have a fairer SA. Perhaps Cape based afrikaners realised to injurious nature of Boer Republics.
No. This is another monstrous lie! The government did not kill children for protesting. What absolute nonsense. The government sent in the police to QUELL a riot which was instigated by the PAC who only USED the occasion for their own political ends. The negotiation phase was the era when the ANC was totally under the control of Military Intelligence & MI6. The right hand was shaking the left hand in a sort of South African Hegelian Dialectic.
The "injurious" nature of the Boer Republics would indeed be on the Cape based Afrikaners & esp those Cape Dutch desdendents living in the Boer Republics region because if the Boers get their republics back them they will "loose everything" to quite Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio. The Cape Dutch Afrikaners stand to lose a lot if the Boers restore their conquered republics.
More & more Boers are breaking out from decades of Afrikaner conditioning to reclaim their identity from the Afrikaners who USURPED it in the past BUT a lot of Boers have been doing this ALL THROUGHOUT the 20th cent as noted during the 1940s & when Robert van Tonder began to pursue Boer Republic restoration in 1961: the same year that that nut Verwoerd turned South Africa into a nominal republic.
The Boers are distancing themselves from the Afrikaners because more of them are waking up to the fact that they were lied to by the Afrikaners who conditioned the Boers into thinking that they were Afrikaners when in fact the Boers have a totally different & distinct history as the Boers have had many freedom struggles while the Afrikaners have never had a freedom struggle ever. A lot of Boers were simply just not aware of how the Afrikaners rewrote the history thereby usurping the Boers.
Well that can be pinned on Boer stupidity. If anyone group lets another tell them what their history is and they blindly follow than that doesn't say much for the Boers, does it?
The blacks even though oppressed never allowed themselves to think that they were just good for domestic work or slavery as the Apartheid goverment kept telling them.
No not Boer "stupidity" but rather Boer ignorance because HOW can a young child defend against the propaganda that was taught to him at school? Esp when his parents were struggling to earn a living from cruel Afrikaner & English bosses who DESPISED the Boer. The Boers were COWED into acquiescing their identity because they were now in a POWERLESS position. Boers were told to accept the Afrikaner designation as well as per the zeitgeist of THAT era. Do not blame the Boers for this.
The battle of Majuba is re-enacted every year. Just that in recent years the actual Boerevolk have been reclaiming their own history from the Afrikaners & the Right Wing. Similar to how the so called civil war battles or re-enacted in the United States as well.
So the re-enactment is less far right? I suppose that's why on one occassion they were reported as screaming, at the end of the re-enactment, ''South Africa for the white man, the British are also allowed too''. Wow how liberal were they?
But the civil war re-enactments in the US do not end on a note of racism.
The allegation that some of the re-enacters shouted that alleged line was made by a Mail & Guardian art critic named Yolandi Groenwald [ ie: part of the executive arm of the State media ] so I would take his allegation with a grain of salt because the media sure as hell is not going to do anything to promote the Boerevolk in a positive light for the aforementioned reasons. Furthermore: anyone can be planted in an event just as the Dutch anti-Apartheid journalist Adriana Stuijt noted how...
Furthermore: anyone can be planted in an event just as the Dutch anti-Apartheid journalist Adriana Stuijt noted how the Broederbond would send agent provocateurs to Boer Republican meetings with Nazi flags & made sure to pose with them IN FRONT OF CAMERAS & THE MEDIA BUT the media would never show those Nazi flag agent provocateurs being VIOLENTLY ESCORTED OUT of the meeting! I have to wonder if this racist shouting person at the re-enactment was ALSO not shoved out as well.
Then you are on the side of oppression because the conquest of the Boer Republics involved war crimes which lead to the death of close to 50 % of the Boer child population. There is nothing absurd about the right of people exercising their inherent right to self determination.
I suppose when the ''Afrikaners'' like DF Malan were started apartheid the Boers were all too happy to tacitly stand by, well they would because they benefited greatly, while they despised the fellow ''Afrikaner''. Afrikaner meant white people of Dutch/European decent, and aren't Boers of Dutch/European decent?
The pride, in my opinion, stems from an ugly place which has made Boers eager to re-establish the oppressive Boer Republics.
No. The Boers ARE NOT OF Dutch descent. This was one of the biggest lies that the Afrikaner Nationalists ever told! The Boers are mainly of German / Frisian & French descent. The Cape Dutch Afrikaners are descended from the Dutch. This is also due to the fact that a lot of Germans settled DIRECTLY in the north eastern Cape where the Boers developed as a people DISTINCT from the Cape Dutch Afrikaners of the Western Cape.
No. Malan did not "start" Apartheid. Apartheid existed since the 19th cent & was the Afrikaans word for the British segregationist policies of the era LONG before it was associated with National Party government. The National Party government EXPANDED Apartheid with their Separate Development. No. The Boers were often conditioned out of their identity so that the Cape Dutch could "legitimize" their hegemony over the Boer Republics regions.
The Boers did not just "stand by" as they tried to get out from the oppressive macro State of South Africa during certain periods of the 20th cent. The Boer Republics were not anywhere near as oppressive as the macro State of South Africa created by your British pals & inherited by the Cape Dutch descended Afrikaners for the simple reason that the Boer Republics never had Apartheid laws.
There absolutely is not point in my droning on about how bad the Boers had it during apartheid. You self-pity like there's no tomorrow, and it's really pathetic. Just acknowledge accountability, or maybe some accountability but don't paint yourselves as victims of aparheid. Because it wasn't the Boers that were denied skilled training, it wasn't there boers that were given a very inferior education, health care, ect., it wasn't the Boers that were tortured on goverment orders.
No one is claiming that the Boers had it as bad as the average township dwellers BUT the Boers were working class & often poor & were denied from rising too high in the political order by the Afrikaner Broederbond who made South Africa "safe" for the foreign financial interests. Furthermore those Boers who stood in opposition to the Broederbond were certainly harassed & even periodically beaten up like the notable & late Robert van Tonder who put up with decades of National Party abuse.
Furthermore I am not a Boer as I am a Canadian. Furthermore Boers are now being persecuted more than ever & are being tortured & killed [ also purportedly on government orders as the plans were drawn up in Sell House ] in what the President of Genocide Watch Gregory Stanton has called a genocide under the Genocide Convention.
The problem here is that you are conflating the Boers with the Afrikaners who OUTNUMBER / oppress & marginalize the poorer Boers. How could a nation of illiterate pastoralists [ President Marthinus Steyn of the Orange Free State being a notable exception to the rule ] go on to formulate the Grand Apartheid of less than one generation later?! The formulaters of Grand Apartheid were HIGHLY EDUCATED & powerful folks. Obviously we are TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE here! The Cape Dutch / Afrikaners.
Furthermore: even Louis Botha stopped representing the Boers when he PREVENTED the Boers from re-establishing their republics during the Maritz Rebellion of 1914 which Botha VIOLENTLY PUT DOWN BY EXTREME FORCE because he was now a total puppet of the British which he would HAVE HAD TO be in order to be promoted to the position he was as the puppet governmental Prime Minister.
The Boers simply had no political power during the Apartheid era due to their smaller numbers to the Cape based Afrikaners who ran things after inheriting the macro State as created by Britain. I am so glad to see Magrotron note this as well. Therefore there was no "Boer power" because every time the Boers tried to assert themselves they were systematically stopped by the Afrikaner establishment each time. Also: JBM Hertzog was not a Boer despite fighting on their side as he was a Cape Dutch.
Oh how marginalised, and oppressed you were, my heart bleeds for the poor boers. You just keep telling yourelf that you were the victims of apartheid & maybe it will make you feel a lot better about those malign boers who killed black people. Maybe, just may, the words that are brandished almost willingly that blacks are ''animals'' should be re-evaluated seeing that the most blood thirsty people in SA for centuries have been white.
I do not want to quarell about this any longer, lord knows I had a long enough chat with MAGROTRON. And yeah the Andlo-Boer was terible and the concentration camps were worse but when the Peace Treaty of Verenigning (1902) was established is provided peace only for the whites and not the blacks. And in 1910 British colonies and Voortrekker or Afrikaner Replublics were united under the Union of SA, addmittedly it was still British supremacy.
No. The Afrikaners NEVER had any republics of their own until they turned the macro State of South Africa into a nominal republic in 1961. The Boer Republics were established by the Boers often amidst the open RIDICULE of the Cape based Afrikaners. The British supremacy soon gave way to a Cape based Afrikaner supremacy when the British recruited the Afrikaners to serve as a surrogate ruling power for the macro State the created by lumping the various nations together under a single admin.
And the end of the day when it comes to saying who is accountable for the malevolent apartheid regime,there just isnt enough time to start dicing up which type of white was responsible,whether Boer White or Cape based afrikaner white or British & European White or tacit white or not so tacit white,the fact remains it was the white poeple that started it the moment a European stood on SA soil,to better the life of the whites at the expense of the blacks.
Pure bullshit. Apartheid was practiced by the various invading Bantu settlers when they stood on Southern African soil as they DECIMATED the aboriginal Khoisan groups & excluded them from participating fully as equal members. When the first Europeans came to Southern Africa they were only interested in starting a victualing station where upon they forcibly removed the ancestors of the Boers from Europe & Asia to produce the produce on the VOC farms. There was no contact with Black ppl til 1777.
Granted The Bantu expansion did pressurise the Khoisan to change their economics because they were gatherers and the settling of hunters one group was bound to be affeted more than the other, and I suppose that is a bit bitter sweet for me because I have khoisan ancetry.
Well so too do the Boers have Khoisan ancestry as well. I have often found it so ironic & tragic that the Boers have often been pitted against other local groups when ironically they all have at least some Khoisan roots. A number of Bantus absorbed the Khoisans of the north & east when they settled. The Boers absorbed the Khoisans of the west.
Guys like Louis Botha, Jan Smuts & Hertzog were ''Boer'' leaders in their time and they had their part to play in the establishment of aparheid. You can't just now upon seeing the evil in them say they weren't Boer, they aren't representing the Boer, and then set off on a voyage of self-pitying.
No. Pure lies! Hertzog & Smuts were not from the Boer people as they were from the Cape Dutch people of the Western Cape. The Boer people developed ON THE NORTHERN & EASTERN Cape frontiers during the 1700s leaving behind the ancestors of the Afrikaners. Only Louis Botha was a Boer as he was from the Boer people of northern Natal. The term Boer refers to those folks of Trekboer descent of which the Cape Dutch [ like Hertzog / Smuts / Malan etc. ] SURE AS HELL were & are not.
naah that jtf website is shit. more israeli propaganda. haha it says "jtf prediction of 9/11 in 1994". hmm i bet any israeli group coulda "predicted" that ;) anyways, palestine will be free again with time !
At the time, Palestine was inhabited by a half a million Palestinian Arabs and a few Palestinian Jews who are blood related and who had lived together in peace for centuries. With Palestine as their choice for a homeland, European Ashkenazi Jews began migrating to Palestine. As I explained earlier, most were communist/socialist oriented with some of them being radical Bolshevik communists whose aim is world domination.
I hope our African-American brothers go there and help our brothers fix this decease called: white racists messing up the motherland instead of joinng the army who is causing these problems for my brothers in South-Africa..
You would be hated by your so called black brothers - as you haven't got your totem anymore. you forget how tribal africa is, and if you go there - you will be hated more than the whites.That is the problem with American blacks, they don't have a clue of the reality of the place, you live in some kind of dream.
"Arguing with a negro and trying to reason with it is a foolish waste of time and effort. Ignore the negro, nothing good can come from contact with them. They are a failed race of evolutionary losers, treat them as such".
As a Christian we need to stand for God's spiritual Israel. But we can all be sons of Abraham in the true Israel, if we follow God, and believe in Jesus!
Hello Boetie. Thank you. As for the Jews, you see those that are for the blacks-they are not true Jews, in fact, they are pro-arab and anti-israel! They are what is called self-hating jews. But check out JTF, those guys are anti-black/muslim/communist/evil. Theire awesome(JTF). Check out what they say about mandela ;)
of course botha was better fot the white people because he looked after them and no one else. most people here who post comments like yours do not like being held on the same par as a black person, but what do you expect in black country, black continent.
of course it is and i don't deny that. but don't you think black people would have liked to be part of the building of south africa, yes. however the apartheid regime was too caught up on things that don't matter and notions that boggle the mind, like black people are not deserving of an education, they are only good for gardening, cleaning and being maids.
yeah a shit education is shit areas, with little or no hope of getting a job deserving of your knowledge. and the few people who had an education in those times i.e. Nelson Mandela where in one way or another privelaged, like Mandela is transkei royalty. so do not try to justify the regime by saying black people could get an education b'coz clearly it wasnt good. and you can't deny that black kids had a different sylabbes to those of the white kids.
You expose typical the-government-must-hand-out-mentality.
You mean education provided by public schools. Well that education was still good enough to teach people basic writing and calculation skills. That's, if the schools were not burned down by "Anti-Apartheid-activists". Does it perhaps come to your mind that the syllabi were different because of cultural differences and the differences in mental capabilities. Most Black kids failed, when they got a the White sillabus.
we seriously doubt that anti apartheid activits burnt down the schools, youmust be fueled up on propaganda that was handed out that time, and if they did it was for a better cause. but why should there be a different syllabus for white kids and different a one for the black kids, we do after all live in the same country. and cultural difference will always exist in a place that is multi-cultured, but that doesn't justify providing a better education for the white kids over the blacks.
There is no we here. You can doubt the burning of schools or the the murder of dissidents by anti apartheid activists as much as you want, it remains a well proven fact. Search for "revolution in Black SA schools". One also needs to be familiar with the goals of separate development, before one makes any judgement. Why the syllabus was different has been explained sufficiently to you.
listen don't bring me that bullshit. first off all i did not say that i doubted that people were murdered, and it is unfortunate. and since you are the expert in the goals of separate development, please indulge because i would love to know, so i can disprove you. and it is also a proven fact that black people were killed for taking affirmative action against an oppressive goverment. tell me why do you fell the way you do? i thought our country was a rainbow nation; for blacks and whites.
well now that they have a chance with great white schools and universities..they still fail.even forced the teachers to pass them and look how they act at the university lately-that was not hoe a civilized person acts.The ANC even have high power,but they cant do the job,so dont comment on this page,cause you dont know what you are talking about claerly.
Man I disagree with almost everything you say so ill just pick on 1 thing
The blacks in South Africa during apartheid were the most educated blacks on the entire African continent !
& how can you say it was a shit education lol Did you know that under the ANC government more blacks fail matric than during apartheid & the education system has been lowerd to even lower than the Bantu education level
Do you know what the reason was for inventing apartheid in the first place ?
I disagree with you too. Not every black person in South Africa was a son of chief and therefore had some privilege.. When black kids went to school parents had to pay school fees, and they were paid less; whereas white kids were going to school for free, and their parents were paid more. The conditions of the black schools, whcih often didn't have adequate electricity and plumbing were not at all condusive to learning.
South Africa will be saved by God. The God from the Bible, the God of the TRUE Israël. God's people are the Christians. There will be a WHITE, Christian government again, and the nation will expand to half of the African continent. It will be the most powerful, wealthy, and prosperous Christian power in the world. More powerful than the United States. Done with muslems or black power. Jesus will bless South Africa, and throw her enemies out.
shetlandwool 6 months ago
@shetlandwool racist asshole
newworldorderoffan1 2 weeks ago
Sorry, jan. As i remember it, the Jewish money power, and the British have grabbed South Africa from the Boers (in the Boer war). They have eventually put a Communist terrorist (Nelson Mandela) as their puppet. all because of South Africa's natural wealth. jews are horny on gold and diamonds. And the British Crown, international robbers as they are, were all too happy to assist with their troops.
shetlandwool 6 months ago
wow these comments, this is why a lot of people are not suscribing to reigion anymore. i noticed that a lot of religious people are xeno phoebic psychopaths playing dungeons & dragons with a prehistoric role play fantasy book. if someone is trying to take your homeland you better get "criminally insane" real quick because your dealing with a psychopath.
thedollhouse10 8 months ago
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Israel is just like South Africa, except we don't have an 18% HIV infection rate.
rachelgolem 9 months ago
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Israel is just like South Africa, except we don't have an 18% HIV infection rate.
rachelgolem 9 months ago
White Brothers from South africa..we are with you!!!
HebrewFatherland 10 months ago
no way to compare south africa to the criminal state of isra-hell
what country in this time use the White phosphorus bombs Against civilians!! it's Isra-hell .., trying to make this dam country to be compare with boer! or south africa is so fucking stupid loser try!
sa66am 11 months ago
negers and Arabs u mean - Jews r intellegent - they desighned Cellphones.
MrZcc01 1 year ago
@MrZcc01 @HERRARABIMPERIAL you are both just pieces of shit!lol jews and negers? perhaps arabs and negers? or maybe arabs and jews?! whites and asians? I think none of them are superior,eh, I mean inferior, just perhaps your mamas and your selves for being so stupid!
asrafoo 1 year ago
jews and negers are the worst parasites on the earth. so don't consider over sahara the arab countries african because we are not we are white arabs . and the sahara divide our races .
HERRARABIMPERIAL 1 year ago
@HERRARABIMPERIAL
For now we parasites brought technology medicine and other things to the world.recieved about 180 nobel prizes..and we are less than 1 or 2 percent in the world population.
You Arabs brought nothing but terror,pain,270 million deaths throughout the years of Islam,and you contributed absolutley NOTHING besides pain and a Headache to the entire fucking world.
HebrewFatherland 10 months ago
@HebrewFatherland You blokes are doing the same to Arabs that S.A did to the Blacks. If it was not for that one fact you would have the worlds sympathy.
housepate1 9 months ago
@housep
Actually not,we do not segragate Israeli Arabs,and that is a fact you can't deny,you can bring up examples of how arabs got unfair treatment here and there,or how gaza's arabs life is shitty.
but legally,Israeli Arabs have all the Rights,they go to universities,some of them are parlament members(were there any black parlament members in SA?).
SA was best under apartheid though,after apartheid what we got?crazy black bloodthirsty negroes killing 40,000 boers.
Fuck the world's sympathy
HebrewFatherland 9 months ago
@housep
Actually not,we do not segragate Israeli Arabs,and that is a fact you can't deny,you can bring up examples of how arabs got unfair treatment here and there,or how gaza's arabs life is shitty.
but legally,Israeli Arabs have all the Rights,they go to universities,some of them are parlament members(were there any black parlament members in SA?).
SA was best under apartheid though,after apartheid what we got?crazy black bloodthirsty negroes killing 40,000 boers.
Fuck the world's sympathy
HebrewFatherland 9 months ago
@HebrewFatherland If your racism is indicative of the average Israeli, you guys are screwed. Incredible! you guys have just endured the slaughter of Stalin and Hitler and immediately turn around and do the same to others? WoW. Im speechless.
housepate1 9 months ago
@housepate1
Just because people like you are actually retarded enough to believe that anything we ever done or plan to do is as bad as the Mass slaughters of Stalin and Hitler,we don't give a damn about you.
Talk to me when Israel will build concentration camps and gulags.for now it doesn't even stop providing the Gaza region with EVERYTHING they need to live,even electricity and gas.
also,not to mention Arab Israelis who are citizens with all the Rights,including voting
HebrewFatherland 9 months ago
@HebrewFatherland Whatever you say my friend whatever you say
housepate1 9 months ago
@housepate1
And Most of the Israelis are Patriots and Right wing.
And most of them also don't trust any "Peace agreements" with Arabs,that are based on giving land to Palestinians.because from their own exprience they know who are Arabs and that it is impossible to live with them.
And if you don't like it that's your problem.
We are screwed right now with our government that listens to morons like you.
We will not be screwed when we start doing what's good for us,and deporting Arabs away
HebrewFatherland 9 months ago
@housepate1
The only differnce is,we are not gonna let the Arabs reach to the position the Negroes got in South Africa,controlling Israel.
because if that happens we will get slaughtered by those savages like the Whites did with the Negro savages.
We support each other.we don't give a rat's ass about the so called "world sympathy" the same world rulled by Marxist Self hating White\Jewish scum who kiss the Arabs ass and bully on Nations like SA,Israel,and Serbia
HebrewFatherland 9 months ago
@HebrewFatherland DO you think you are the first racist to have your sentiments? The Americans, South Africans, Hitler, all thought the exact same, and they had several advantages that you Blokes lack. One is a great public relations machine.
housepate1 9 months ago
@housepate1
the south africans never had great public relations,they were condemned as a Racist country and after the apartheid ended,almost no one cared of how they got genocided.
The criminal Mandella who sings "kill the boers" is considered a humanist hero in the western marxist world today.
we fight for what we believe,we fight for justice and we don't give a damn if the whole world is mad and goes against us.we do not back down to this crap.
HebrewFatherland 9 months ago
@HebrewFatherland WoW! you chaps have really lost your way. Unfortunately for you the world sees it. If you think S.A.'s PR was bad, then good because you guys are in that exact same position. Take it from an outsider who was formerly sympathetic.
housepate1 9 months ago
@HERRARABIMPERIAL The Sahara does not divide you, Africa does. Egypt is Arab only because of the invasions in the 7th century. It was a country of the Blacks not Arabs. You scream about racism, yet you perpetuate it all the same. I hate what the Jews have done to you, but you should even be more sympathetic to others.
housepate1 9 months ago
You wanted a war ANC? Now you're going to get it. Payback for Mr. Terreblanche
haroldsmegma1 1 year ago
Africa 4 africains only
essi8757 2 years ago 5
Like the Nazis; now there is a twisted blood & soil ideology for blacks too. Great, just great.
hoink23 2 years ago
@essi8757 get those apes out of Europe then ;)
wwefanworld 1 year ago
@wwefanworld yeah if the white crackers never went 2 africa w,be no gaste warkers in ur fucking hell place ,where ppl died by cold bad food and taxes,
essi8757 1 year ago
@essi8757 Europe for europeans only ? o shit now im racist.
Wazztheweasel 7 months ago
whats the song in this video
whatthahack1 2 years ago
'escape' by craig armstrong :)
janolifant 2 years ago
thanks allot. by the way thanks for the links, Ive discovered allot of information that the controlled media doesn't inform people about
whatthahack1 2 years ago
Furthermore: the entire name of Afrikaans historian André Du Toit is of French origin further demonstrating the solidly documented non Dutch origins of the Afrikaans population.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore D F Malan [ another name of French origin BTW ] did not even win the popular vote. Just like George W Bush did not in 2000 & just as Lucien Bouchard did not in Quebec. Malan just barely won enough seats to form a government. Ergo: The Grand Apartheid laws ie: Separate Development was passed after MOST PEOPLE DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR IT! The bulk of Grand Apartheid was passed BEFORE the National Party even "legitimized" [ such as it was ] itself via a national election.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The National Party did not keep wining necessarily due to its Apartheid policies [ the only political party with a clear anti-Apartheid policy was the Progressive Party which became the official opposition in 1981 - 1987 ] but more likely due to the fact that the opposition parties were just not viewed as "electable" which is an OLD ruling elite stunt often pulled to get their favoured political party elected for whatever agenda driven reason.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The N P was increasingly voted back into government due to an INEFFECTIVE & OR DIVIDED POLITICAL OPPOSITION. Recall that the main opposition political party the U P could NEVER formulate a coherent ALTERNATIVE to Apartheid or even to the National Party itself. Quite similar to how the current opposition political parties can not formulate a coherent opposition to the [ puppet ] ruling ANC. Though this new COPE puppet outfit looks to change this to some degree but still tethered to the elites.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Well not all Boers are religious & Afrikaans historian André Du Toit notes that the Boers once had their own homegrown religious beliefs before the exponential growth of the Christian faith during the late 19th cent.
Pinard7 2 years ago
I hope the Boers never get chased out of SA, where would they go. They are the best farmers in SA and their input in the country is invaluable. But they can continue to do so without the controversial re-establishment of Boer Republics. I didn't bother reading any other comments you made because I don't want to argue with Saffas anymore, however long they may have been out of SA, or however much I disagree with them.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Which is an absolute shame because my posts from yesterday were among some of the most vital information packed ones I have posted. Which I think could really help shed some light on certain issues reflected in the one dimensional often erroneous assumptions as asserted within your [ & some others ] comments. I will re post just a few of the more important ones which shed light on certain matters & might have gotten overlooked in yesterday's avalanche of posts.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Ergo the person who was alleged to have uttered that neo-imperial racist expression WAS NOT AN AUTHENTIC REPRESENTATIVE of the Boer perspective as the Boers do not want to rule over South Africa: a macro State that they never even wanted [ as it was imposed onto all ] & most do not even recognize it as such because the Boer Republicans want their republics back not the macro State of South Africa which they never even controlled.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Robert van Tonder was extremely opposed to the Nazi provocateurs & even HATED the AWB flag [ even though it is technically a Triskelion not a Swastika ] which he often told people to FOLD UP & PUT IT AWAY WHEN HE WAS ASKED TO SPEAK at certain Boer Republican events where the AWB was at as well. Furthermore: none other then Professor Tobias Louw has publicly noted in an open letter that NO BOER WANTS SOUTH AFRICA. Ergo that person who was alleged to have uttered the racist expression...
Pinard7 2 years ago
Claiming that all White people are responsible for Apartheid is akin to claiming that all Americans are responsible for the war against Iraq. What you forget is that those executive [ <---- ] decisions are made at the top of the political power structure. George W Bush never consulted the American people in his decision to impose war. Neither did Malan [ or any of the other previous Apartheid South African leaders ] ever consult the South African people before imposing his decision.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Well of course not all whites were responsible, like Joe Slovo but many always say well we were oppressed too because we couldn't say anything because we were afraid of being attacked. And that is understandable but yet the NP was incessantly voted back into government. They way of life for white man was so much better, and many couldn't afford to loose it, but when apartheid ended the reality of poverty that was lived in the twonships spilled all over the country.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Joe Slovo was Jewish & they tend not to see themselves as White or part of what is termed White people. Furthermore: Joe Slovo was a convenient willing puppet of the Soviet Union further complicating the notion that he was somehow an authentic anti-Apartheid local White South African as his motives were as clouded as Mandela & De Klerk. The N P was increasingly voted back into government due to the employment of the SAME TECHNIQUE WHICH MOST OTHER Western countries use ie: an ineffective...
Pinard7 2 years ago
The N P was increasingly voted back into government due to the employment [ or sometimes just happenstance ] of the SAME TECHNIQUE WHICH MOST OTHER Western countries use ie: an INEFFECTIVE & OR DIVIDED POLITICAL OPPOSITION. Recall that the main opposition political party the U P could NEVER [ or perhaps were not supposed to ie: controlled opposition ] formulate a coherent ALTERNATIVE to Apartheid [ they often acquiesced or even SUPPORTED it ] or even to the National Party itself.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Quite similar to how the current opposition political parties can not formulate a coherent opposition to the [ puppet ] ruling ANC. Though this new COPE puppet outfit looks to change this to some degree. The National Party did not keep wining necessarily due to its Apartheid policies [ the only political party with a clear anti-Apartheid policy was the Progressive Party which became the official opposition in 1981 - 1987 ] but more likely due to the fact that the opposition parties were just...
Pinard7 2 years ago
The National Party did not keep wining necessarily due to its Apartheid policies [ the only political party with a clear anti-Apartheid policy was the Progressive Party which became the official opposition in 1981 - 1987 ] but more likely due to the fact that the opposition parties were just not viewed as "electable" which is an OLD ruling elite stunt often pulled to get their favoured political party elected for whatever agenda driven reason.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore D F Malan [ another name of French origin BTW ] did not even win the popular vote. Just like George W Bush did not in 2000 & just as Lucien Bouchard did not in Quebec. Malan just barely won enough seats to form a government. Ergo: The Grand Apartheid laws ie: Separate Development was passed after MOST PEOPLE DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR IT! The bulk of Grand Apartheid was passed BEFORE the National Party even "legitimized" [ such as it was ] itself via a national election.
Pinard7 2 years ago
It was not until 1953 that the National Party actually won the popular vote & this was AFTER they absorbed the Afrikaner Party of N C Havenga who btw was Malan's preferred successor for Prime Minister instead of Hans Strijdom who four years after assuming office suddenly died under mysterious & contested circumstances particularly after the Afrikaner establishment caught him talking about restoring the Boer Republics. Another point on which you eerily agree with the Afrikaner Nationalists on.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The ironic thing is that the "way of life"for the White people WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN BETTER [ except for most Boer people of course who were & are the poorest segment of the White population who were often employed by the State or on mines ] even if Apartheid had never existed just because they had always had inherent advantages. Not to burst you bubble but the same rich people during Apartheid are STILL rich as only the middles class & working class White people are getting poorer.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore: in a globalized planet: I have every right to express my views & relate the facts concerning any region on the planet.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Zulus stood up at a 1985 meeting with the South African government to attest to the fact that they still recognize Boer sovereignty in the region after the notion was at first RIDICULED by the Right Wingers & even the government itself when it was initially raised at the meeting by none other than the State vilified Robert van Tonder of the Boerestaat Party. The notion that a Boeremag type group has to exist is ABSURD ON ITS FACE in light of the facts.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore: not one of the accused HAS EVER BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF A SINGLE CRIME yet they languish in prison with the court case being dragged out ad infinitum. At lest the ANC accused were giving a prompt trial with full access to a legal defense while these pitiful accused ARE DENIED THEIR INHERENT RIGHT to a prompt trial & an adequate defense. Why turn them into martyrs? Furthermore: the bomb which exploded was a MILITARY GRADE BOMB!!!!! Ispo Facto: The operation has State fingerprints.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Co-ersion, co-ersion. I'm sorry do you want a lollipop? Oh right, if they can't afford a good defense than that's their baby but tyrants like that shouldn't be on the streets. Terrorists is what they are!!!
I guess they'll have to stay 27 years in prison too.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
The point about Apartheid was that it was not some grass roots movement & it certainly was not a movement of Boers even if some of the Afrikaners often usurped the history of the Boers in order to justify their program. The only time the Boers ever mobilized in a grass roots campaign was when they were trying to restore their conquered republics. Which they stood at 300 000 plus & were STOPPED by the Afrikaner establishment. Apartheid was imposed by an elite who were not from the Boer folk.
Pinard7 2 years ago
And isn't the Boeremag a group that enstills this pride to be ''Boere'' and holds this ideology that the ''Boere'' have lost their identity? and isn't the Boeremag the group that was responsible for the 2002 Soweto Bombings, or the plan to train 4000 boer soldiers so that they could go on a reign of terror taking over their so called ''Republics' and pushing all the blacks to KZN, where the blacks will be extinguished?
Which begs the question who is really on the side of oppression here?
lBRON1000 2 years ago
There is no such group as the Boeremag! This is State & media propaganda. The term Boeremag was coined by the State & the media. Please view the video I uploaded called: Term Boeremag coined by the media. Furthermore: the leader of the alleged Boeremag was none other than a DOUBLE AGENT WITH THE STATE & had ties to the American CIA. Does this sound like a legitimate Boer group? Or perhaps a FALSE FLAG OPERATION directed by the State in order to DEMONIZE Boer self determination.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Can you not recognize a State sponsored false flag operation when you see one?! Why the hell would any segment of the Boer people EVER attempt to engage in such a ridiculous exercise when much of the Boer Republics are already there for the taking? Without even a shot being fired no less! The only logical reason that there even exists an alleged operation of this sort is to demonize the humble God fearing & LAW ABIDING Boer people in a desperate attempt at creating a radical image of them.
Pinard7 2 years ago
This excersise I guess is separation...yes? if so then yeah it was a ridiculous excercise and the Boers practiced it fully and heartily. In your mind the Boers are victims of co-ersion, victims of British oppression, ect. ect. as I have said before whatever type of white there is in SA all of them are held accountable for apartheid. To let me even get into the rediculous question of religion, it is their religious beliefs that made them think they're are gods favourute.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Well at least you admit here in this comment that you arbitrarily hold all White people responsible for the top down imposed Apartheid laws in an exercise of collective punishment. The notion of collective punishment is not supported by the United Nations. The Boers were coerced simply because they were conquered & colonized by the various Apartheid powers. No. Not their religious beliefs: it was nothing more than Afrikaner Nationalist propaganda which recast the humble Boers as White racialist.
Pinard7 2 years ago
You know what? we have differing views, we could never see eye to eye. Your issue or the Boers issue is with the British and to now propose that the Republics should be re-established is very injurious to the SA I grew up knowing in which everyone could get the chance to go to that good school in the city, or getting the skills training you deserve.
I think their religious beliefs are nonsense, but I also think that of all religious beliefs. a world without religion would be markedly better.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
This is the problem: you accuse the facts I have presented as just being "differing views" as thought that could sweep them under the carpet in the hope that no one else will notice. The Boer issue goes beyond just the British elite but of course the British elite is still the strongest vehicle of anti-Boer propaganda. No. The notion that restoring the Boer Republics is "injurious" is pure unadulterated nonsense which is propaganda straight from the desks of the British elite.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The restoration of the Boer Republics would do wonders for the entire region. First it would start to stop the escalating genocide against the Boer people which was been going on in increasing numbers since 1991. Next: it would thus help maintain the region's ability in producing its own produce & prevent the areas from going like Zimbabwe where famine looms because the White farmers were chased off. Next: the republics would represent a form of political stability ensuring economic growth.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Growth which would benefit the entire region due to trade & job creation. Furthermore: who said the Boer Republics would prevent people from going to school? Furthermore: who said that the republics would even take all of the cities? Even none other than Terreblanche has DISCLAIMED Johannesburg & renounced any claim to that monstrosity of a town. Which is where the British & Afrikaans money powers are headquartered & where the majority of the Bantu people within the old Boer Republics live.
Pinard7 2 years ago
For one thing the Zulus of Northern Natal recognize Boer sovereignty in the region & continue to honour the pledge they made with the local Boers back in 1884 when King Dinizulu granted them some land [ after enlisting the Boers' services to help quell a British backed revolt ] on which the Vryheid Republic [ which uses a Vierkleur with the blue & green colours switched ] was established. The Vryheid Republic was later annexed by Britain & the western part was absorbed into the ZAR.
Pinard7 2 years ago
And Dingane changed his mind!!
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Dingaan [ you dingbat ] was a PREDECESSOR of Dinizulu & true Dingaan did change his mind concerning the treaty he signed with Retief [ a name of French origin ] then killed him & his delegation along with 500 Boer civilians camped out near Bloukrans. The Boers entered into alliances with Mpande & later Dinizulu & were in alliances with the Rolong & Griqua prior.
Pinard7 2 years ago
But still Dingane changed his mind. And that to me nullifies the agreement. It was sly and back-handed of him, but still he did it anyway. Maybe he realised something we can't know.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
It does not matter whether Dingaan changed his mind or not because the Natalia Republic IS NOT BEING CLAIMED BY THE BOERS! Only the ZAR / OVS & Vryheid Republic are being claimed. The treaty with Dingaan only applied to land which the Natalia Republic was later established which was established with the consent of King Mpande by the way who openly wept when he was unable to visit a Boer friend who was murdered by the British before he could see him one more time. So much for your false debate.
Pinard7 2 years ago
And they will not get what they are claiming for, because, and I REITERATE, South Africa just isn't like that anymore.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
South Africa is an illegitimate macro State which is nothing but an unstable house of cards being propped up by British & American intelligence & the moment the elites start their World War 3 [ which will probably be this year ] South Africa the macro State will collapse because the foreign intelligence groups will be MUCH more concerned with their own national security situation. The various countries which existed prior to British conquest will likely be re-established.
Pinard7 2 years ago
World war 3, eh? well aren't you a troublesome kid. SA is legitimate enough for me and many Saffas.
Listen foreign boy, you just keep your nose on Canadian matters and leave Saffas to debate among themselves about the state of SA. Many Saffas want a united SA, and a united SA they shall get.
You never quite said who these london based elite are.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Though you are only accepting the illegitimate "legitimacy" of South Africa due ONLY to being propagandized into supporting it in the hopes of being thrown a few scraps from the lavish plates of the ruling elite who gorge on your hard labour. Just like a lot of Boers did in the hope of gaining a little something in the past. Which I find ironic because you both are being sold out by the rulers.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Every developing nation needs help and I do think that the west oppressive and unfair but that's another cattle of fish.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Good grief! The West conquered the entire region & much of Africa as well: all in an oppressive & often successful attempt at controlling it. The region was not so "developing" until the West invaded & deracinated the locals & separated them from their traditions.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Well since I was born there I think I have at least SOME right to contribute to a debate. Furthermore: Canada is largely illegitimate as well as it is ALSO still run by the British & the London based elite & bankers. What you forget is the flip side of your assertion. Which is: numerous Boers & other local national groups want their countries back - & restoring their countries & republics they shall get.
Pinard7 2 years ago
You were born there and now you're Canadian. You have very minimal right to contribute to anything because it isn't you has lived in SA for years seeing a gelled community. even that nonsense about people wanting their ''countries'' back is really stupid, it's nothing short of tribilism. And tribilism is what lead to Afrca's downfall. One can acknowledge the different tribe and also acknowledge a South Africa for all
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Tribalism is just a elitist based pejorative aimed at discrediting those who seek to exercise their legal & sovereign rights over their own lands.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Well you are the one who is clearly on the side of oppression here as you have PARROTED the same unthinking nonsense concerning the so called Boeremag [ which was never authenticated or proved to have ever existed ] because you have automatically PRESUMED that the ACCUSED [ do you understand what accused means? it does not mean proved! ] are all "guilty" of what the STATE alleges without applying an OUNCE of critical thinking to the matter.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Why the hell would they need to train 4000 soldiers when they have 100 000 who are already trained , many who have fought and killed in Angola and elsewhere. Each one had to do his national service of 2 years prior to the new south africa 1990. and how on earth do you believe that 4000 will push so many millions into the sea ?
IBRON1000 , I suggest you put brain into gear before opening mouth . Your narrow mindedness isa waste of time .
crossbow121 2 years ago
My brain is perfect where it is, thank you. Well I don't know, maybe they are that daft, so as to assume that they'd push all the blacks to KZN with 4000 people, it really doesn't bode well for the quality of intelligence in the Boeremag, and where are the 100,000 now? nowhere to be seen because only a few people support their cause, and I bet some of that 100,000 are in the post apartheid army,and the ANC won't order them to push blacks to KZN.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Frankly people with those views in SA are now seen as extremists, and nuts & many of my white SA friends (afrikaners or the so called Boers disassociate themselves those ideologies because they have no place in today's democratic SA. If Boers want their identity they should re-visit the pages of history, and they'll see that some of their ancestors were all too happy to have a devided SA, all too happy to participate in apartheid.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No. The Afrikaners are not Boers as they are of Cape Dutch descent. No. South Africa is not democratic! This is just the facade that the British Imperialists use to disguise their continued not so covert rule. Mandela / De Klerk were MI6. No. The Boers ALREADY HAVE THEIR identity! It's Afrikaner & English propagandists who assert that the Boers have "no identity" because the Afrikaner & English want to continue to benefit from the British run economy stemming from the mining industries.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Divided South Africa? Are you mad? South Africa is a macro State that was the result of a FORCED merger among the various nations / Kingdoms & Republics that the British conquered! I think you have just outed yourself as a British Imperialist because they are the only people who most talk about a "united" South Africa as though this monstrosity was ever a legitimate country because it came as a result of a non consultative configuration.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Separate Development phase of Apartheid [ as unjust as it often was ] was mainly a clumsy attempt at GIVING BACK THE LANDS [ the major ones ] that the British stole from the various Bantus: a lopsided attempt at decolonization. The problem of course was that the establishment did not want to give up the macro State itself which should have been reformed out of existence.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Boers were not "all too happy" [ this is emotive based language! ] to "participate" [ a priori argument ] in Apartheid because due to the fact that they were often co-opted by the Cape based Afrikaners & that Apartheid WAS THE LAW OF THE LAND [ would you have been courageous enough to stand up to the system as most people are not ] as Apartheid was a top down system not a grass roots movement as it was passed & enforced by the secretive Broederbond who ran rough shod over Boer aspirations.
Pinard7 2 years ago
You know what mate I like South Africa united and there's nothing you can say that will justify your stance. There aren't many black & white Saffas who believe that the Boers have a god given right to re-establish their Republics because that's not what SA stands for anymore. So the Boers can keep throwing their tantrums but like babies they'll grow out of it, with the introduction of new generations. And the Boer republics were separatist (and I think apartheid means separation).
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Of course a modern British Imperialist like you would like a "united" [ fascist ] South Africa so as to better steal its resources. But the Griquas / Tswanas / Boers / & Zulus [ perhaps even the Xhosas too ] WANT THEIR COUNTRIES BACK! The countries that you pro British Imperialists stole from them back in the 19th cent. The fact of the matter is that it is not up to you or I whether the Boers restore their hard fought for republics as it is a matter that is solely up to them.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Facist, imperialists.....boy isn't someone throwing their toys out of the pram. All my friends Xhosa, Zulu, Boers, Afrikaners, Coloreds, etc. are for a united SA. We can acknowledge the different tribes of people but I certainly think that SA is better combined than separate. Besides black people lost their land, when it was forciblly taken from them. My point is everyone lost what they worked for and so we should move on with the zeitgeist.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
The zeitgeist is just another meme & a modern form of imperialism because the average citizen will NEVER gain from the macro State of South Africa as it only ever benefits a small London based elite who make all of the decisions. The point of the various peoples reclaiming their countries goes to the heart of STOPPING this foreign elite from their continued plundering of the region as it re-instates the inherent right of national self determination.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The zeitgeist has changed from the time when all Boers believed they should have Boer Republics to now where most Boers believe in united SA, and they are extremely proud to be Boere too. And who are these London based elite who make all the decisions?
lBRON1000 2 years ago
The Boer Professor Tobias Louw would highly disagree with you that most Boers want a united South Africa. The London bankers STILL run the South African economy & control the banks & anything of significance. Which just shows you up to be the empty suit that you are as I notice that you have not once called for the foreign elite to be EXPELLED from running what you infer as you country? I find this MOST interesting.
Pinard7 2 years ago
We live in an era of Globalisation,& if it took the British,whilst controlling the ANC,to free blacks than so be it. & for that I'm chuffed.We will just have to see if the Boers will have the Republics back and as I said: fish will have to ride bicycyles before that happens. The police were ordered by the apartheid government to shoot-to-disperse and a bunch of kids were shot there. The kids weren't rioting, they were protesting, loudly and they had attracted attention from locals and the media.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Well it is refreshing to see a British Imperialist admit as much! A lot of people do not like the continued British control of the region. Who only control it of course for access to the resources. Frankly what the police did during the attempted Apartheid era is of no concern to the issue of Boer Republic restoration.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Nelson Mandela in his book points out that they had no problem with them being given their own place to live and their own state, but it's only when things became unfair that the need to a ANC became apparent. But will can't ever revert back to those times because SA is far better as one than as different state. You think I'm indocrinated and I think that you are!!
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Though seeing as he was exposed as a tool of MI6 by Stephen Dorrill & that he was named after an historic British icon & educated at a British missionary school: it is clear that his true motivations were compromised. Remember: the British manipulated events behind the scenes in order to justify their later re-involvement in the region.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Whatever mate. We'll just have to see.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No. The Boer Republics do not have to be "separatist" as none other than Robert van Tonder in fact proposed an association with South Africa proper.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Apartheid establishment never quite represented the Boers because the Apartheid establishment only represented the secretive Broederbond which formulated the Separate Development phase of the Apartheid laws. The Broederbond was Cape based & its earlier incarnations was REBUFFED by the Boers of the Boer Republics who were wary of Cape Afrikaner domination. Furthermore there was never a referendum on the approving of the Apartheid laws as they were passed in an non consultative fashion.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Fair enough mate,you believe it, I certainly do not. Even the sheer establishment of Boer Republics was absurd and stunk of an oppressive stench,which quite frankly I'm glad it was removed.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
This is not a matter of "belief" but sheer facts. The TRUE belief was the erroneous notion that the Boers were part of the Afrikaners who subjugated them as this belief was promoted in order for the Cape Dutch to dispossess the Boer. The establishment of the Boer Republics was the result of British incursions against the Boers therefore the local Boers decided that the notion of state formation might held defend themselves against the British Colonial power & prevent them from being colonized.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Oh right,but isnt this immense sense of being proud to be Boer & actually disassociating themselves from Afrikaners & proclaiming themselves as Boerevolk & believing they have a lost identity a recent thing?maybe as far back as the 80s but the most resent I know is 2002 when they reenacted the Battle of Amajuba,which used to celebrate Afrikaner victory over the Brits,but now it has political taste to it in which ''boerevolk'' distance themselves from Afrikaaners.I wonder why the change of heart?
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No it is not a recent thing as the Boers were demanding the restoration of their republics during the 1940s BEFORE the the Separate Development phase of Apartheid was passed. Boer identity was never "lost"! This is Afrikaner talking point bullshit. The Afrikaners DID NOT FIGHT THE BRITISH!!!!! The Afrikaner fought WITH the British!!!!! The Boers fought against the British.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Hey, it is Boers that keep saying that they felt that they were losing their identity, so I'm not just plucking shit out of nothing. And the recent thing I was talking about was the immense sense of pride in Boer, which sped to a trot in the 80's and gathered pace ever since then. This began when it was becomming apparrent that the whites were losing the battles, because they under estimated the ANC's ability to organise and to plan.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Now you are conflating & confusing the reality of Boer identity under pressure with the Afrikaner notion that the Boers " have no identity" or culture a la anti-Boer Max Du Preez. Give me a break! It has been exposed by the Afrikaans liberal turned civil rights activist Dan Roodt that the ANC was recruited by the National Party in order to groom an "acceptable" political successor. What you forget is that the National Party & its ANC offshoot are BOTH inimical to Boer rights.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Well the NP weren't much friends to the ANC when they killed lchildren for protesting, or assissinating many people or even dehumanising blacks. Granted talks were held when aparthied was ending between De Klerk and Mandela to have a fairer SA. Perhaps Cape based afrikaners realised to injurious nature of Boer Republics.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No. This is another monstrous lie! The government did not kill children for protesting. What absolute nonsense. The government sent in the police to QUELL a riot which was instigated by the PAC who only USED the occasion for their own political ends. The negotiation phase was the era when the ANC was totally under the control of Military Intelligence & MI6. The right hand was shaking the left hand in a sort of South African Hegelian Dialectic.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The "injurious" nature of the Boer Republics would indeed be on the Cape based Afrikaners & esp those Cape Dutch desdendents living in the Boer Republics region because if the Boers get their republics back them they will "loose everything" to quite Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio. The Cape Dutch Afrikaners stand to lose a lot if the Boers restore their conquered republics.
Pinard7 2 years ago
More & more Boers are breaking out from decades of Afrikaner conditioning to reclaim their identity from the Afrikaners who USURPED it in the past BUT a lot of Boers have been doing this ALL THROUGHOUT the 20th cent as noted during the 1940s & when Robert van Tonder began to pursue Boer Republic restoration in 1961: the same year that that nut Verwoerd turned South Africa into a nominal republic.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Boers are distancing themselves from the Afrikaners because more of them are waking up to the fact that they were lied to by the Afrikaners who conditioned the Boers into thinking that they were Afrikaners when in fact the Boers have a totally different & distinct history as the Boers have had many freedom struggles while the Afrikaners have never had a freedom struggle ever. A lot of Boers were simply just not aware of how the Afrikaners rewrote the history thereby usurping the Boers.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Well that can be pinned on Boer stupidity. If anyone group lets another tell them what their history is and they blindly follow than that doesn't say much for the Boers, does it?
The blacks even though oppressed never allowed themselves to think that they were just good for domestic work or slavery as the Apartheid goverment kept telling them.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No not Boer "stupidity" but rather Boer ignorance because HOW can a young child defend against the propaganda that was taught to him at school? Esp when his parents were struggling to earn a living from cruel Afrikaner & English bosses who DESPISED the Boer. The Boers were COWED into acquiescing their identity because they were now in a POWERLESS position. Boers were told to accept the Afrikaner designation as well as per the zeitgeist of THAT era. Do not blame the Boers for this.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The battle of Majuba is re-enacted every year. Just that in recent years the actual Boerevolk have been reclaiming their own history from the Afrikaners & the Right Wing. Similar to how the so called civil war battles or re-enacted in the United States as well.
Pinard7 2 years ago
So the re-enactment is less far right? I suppose that's why on one occassion they were reported as screaming, at the end of the re-enactment, ''South Africa for the white man, the British are also allowed too''. Wow how liberal were they?
But the civil war re-enactments in the US do not end on a note of racism.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
The allegation that some of the re-enacters shouted that alleged line was made by a Mail & Guardian art critic named Yolandi Groenwald [ ie: part of the executive arm of the State media ] so I would take his allegation with a grain of salt because the media sure as hell is not going to do anything to promote the Boerevolk in a positive light for the aforementioned reasons. Furthermore: anyone can be planted in an event just as the Dutch anti-Apartheid journalist Adriana Stuijt noted how...
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore: anyone can be planted in an event just as the Dutch anti-Apartheid journalist Adriana Stuijt noted how the Broederbond would send agent provocateurs to Boer Republican meetings with Nazi flags & made sure to pose with them IN FRONT OF CAMERAS & THE MEDIA BUT the media would never show those Nazi flag agent provocateurs being VIOLENTLY ESCORTED OUT of the meeting! I have to wonder if this racist shouting person at the re-enactment was ALSO not shoved out as well.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Then you are on the side of oppression because the conquest of the Boer Republics involved war crimes which lead to the death of close to 50 % of the Boer child population. There is nothing absurd about the right of people exercising their inherent right to self determination.
Pinard7 2 years ago
I suppose when the ''Afrikaners'' like DF Malan were started apartheid the Boers were all too happy to tacitly stand by, well they would because they benefited greatly, while they despised the fellow ''Afrikaner''. Afrikaner meant white people of Dutch/European decent, and aren't Boers of Dutch/European decent?
The pride, in my opinion, stems from an ugly place which has made Boers eager to re-establish the oppressive Boer Republics.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No. The Boers ARE NOT OF Dutch descent. This was one of the biggest lies that the Afrikaner Nationalists ever told! The Boers are mainly of German / Frisian & French descent. The Cape Dutch Afrikaners are descended from the Dutch. This is also due to the fact that a lot of Germans settled DIRECTLY in the north eastern Cape where the Boers developed as a people DISTINCT from the Cape Dutch Afrikaners of the Western Cape.
Pinard7 2 years ago
No. Malan did not "start" Apartheid. Apartheid existed since the 19th cent & was the Afrikaans word for the British segregationist policies of the era LONG before it was associated with National Party government. The National Party government EXPANDED Apartheid with their Separate Development. No. The Boers were often conditioned out of their identity so that the Cape Dutch could "legitimize" their hegemony over the Boer Republics regions.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Boers did not just "stand by" as they tried to get out from the oppressive macro State of South Africa during certain periods of the 20th cent. The Boer Republics were not anywhere near as oppressive as the macro State of South Africa created by your British pals & inherited by the Cape Dutch descended Afrikaners for the simple reason that the Boer Republics never had Apartheid laws.
Pinard7 2 years ago
There absolutely is not point in my droning on about how bad the Boers had it during apartheid. You self-pity like there's no tomorrow, and it's really pathetic. Just acknowledge accountability, or maybe some accountability but don't paint yourselves as victims of aparheid. Because it wasn't the Boers that were denied skilled training, it wasn't there boers that were given a very inferior education, health care, ect., it wasn't the Boers that were tortured on goverment orders.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No one is claiming that the Boers had it as bad as the average township dwellers BUT the Boers were working class & often poor & were denied from rising too high in the political order by the Afrikaner Broederbond who made South Africa "safe" for the foreign financial interests. Furthermore those Boers who stood in opposition to the Broederbond were certainly harassed & even periodically beaten up like the notable & late Robert van Tonder who put up with decades of National Party abuse.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore I am not a Boer as I am a Canadian. Furthermore Boers are now being persecuted more than ever & are being tortured & killed [ also purportedly on government orders as the plans were drawn up in Sell House ] in what the President of Genocide Watch Gregory Stanton has called a genocide under the Genocide Convention.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The problem here is that you are conflating the Boers with the Afrikaners who OUTNUMBER / oppress & marginalize the poorer Boers. How could a nation of illiterate pastoralists [ President Marthinus Steyn of the Orange Free State being a notable exception to the rule ] go on to formulate the Grand Apartheid of less than one generation later?! The formulaters of Grand Apartheid were HIGHLY EDUCATED & powerful folks. Obviously we are TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE here! The Cape Dutch / Afrikaners.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Furthermore: even Louis Botha stopped representing the Boers when he PREVENTED the Boers from re-establishing their republics during the Maritz Rebellion of 1914 which Botha VIOLENTLY PUT DOWN BY EXTREME FORCE because he was now a total puppet of the British which he would HAVE HAD TO be in order to be promoted to the position he was as the puppet governmental Prime Minister.
Pinard7 2 years ago
The Boers simply had no political power during the Apartheid era due to their smaller numbers to the Cape based Afrikaners who ran things after inheriting the macro State as created by Britain. I am so glad to see Magrotron note this as well. Therefore there was no "Boer power" because every time the Boers tried to assert themselves they were systematically stopped by the Afrikaner establishment each time. Also: JBM Hertzog was not a Boer despite fighting on their side as he was a Cape Dutch.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Oh how marginalised, and oppressed you were, my heart bleeds for the poor boers. You just keep telling yourelf that you were the victims of apartheid & maybe it will make you feel a lot better about those malign boers who killed black people. Maybe, just may, the words that are brandished almost willingly that blacks are ''animals'' should be re-evaluated seeing that the most blood thirsty people in SA for centuries have been white.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
I do not want to quarell about this any longer, lord knows I had a long enough chat with MAGROTRON. And yeah the Andlo-Boer was terible and the concentration camps were worse but when the Peace Treaty of Verenigning (1902) was established is provided peace only for the whites and not the blacks. And in 1910 British colonies and Voortrekker or Afrikaner Replublics were united under the Union of SA, addmittedly it was still British supremacy.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No. The Afrikaners NEVER had any republics of their own until they turned the macro State of South Africa into a nominal republic in 1961. The Boer Republics were established by the Boers often amidst the open RIDICULE of the Cape based Afrikaners. The British supremacy soon gave way to a Cape based Afrikaner supremacy when the British recruited the Afrikaners to serve as a surrogate ruling power for the macro State the created by lumping the various nations together under a single admin.
Pinard7 2 years ago
And the end of the day when it comes to saying who is accountable for the malevolent apartheid regime,there just isnt enough time to start dicing up which type of white was responsible,whether Boer White or Cape based afrikaner white or British & European White or tacit white or not so tacit white,the fact remains it was the white poeple that started it the moment a European stood on SA soil,to better the life of the whites at the expense of the blacks.
Quarrell all you like but this is true.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Pure bullshit. Apartheid was practiced by the various invading Bantu settlers when they stood on Southern African soil as they DECIMATED the aboriginal Khoisan groups & excluded them from participating fully as equal members. When the first Europeans came to Southern Africa they were only interested in starting a victualing station where upon they forcibly removed the ancestors of the Boers from Europe & Asia to produce the produce on the VOC farms. There was no contact with Black ppl til 1777.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Granted The Bantu expansion did pressurise the Khoisan to change their economics because they were gatherers and the settling of hunters one group was bound to be affeted more than the other, and I suppose that is a bit bitter sweet for me because I have khoisan ancetry.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
Well so too do the Boers have Khoisan ancestry as well. I have often found it so ironic & tragic that the Boers have often been pitted against other local groups when ironically they all have at least some Khoisan roots. A number of Bantus absorbed the Khoisans of the north & east when they settled. The Boers absorbed the Khoisans of the west.
Pinard7 2 years ago
Guys like Louis Botha, Jan Smuts & Hertzog were ''Boer'' leaders in their time and they had their part to play in the establishment of aparheid. You can't just now upon seeing the evil in them say they weren't Boer, they aren't representing the Boer, and then set off on a voyage of self-pitying.
lBRON1000 2 years ago
No. Pure lies! Hertzog & Smuts were not from the Boer people as they were from the Cape Dutch people of the Western Cape. The Boer people developed ON THE NORTHERN & EASTERN Cape frontiers during the 1700s leaving behind the ancestors of the Afrikaners. Only Louis Botha was a Boer as he was from the Boer people of northern Natal. The term Boer refers to those folks of Trekboer descent of which the Cape Dutch [ like Hertzog / Smuts / Malan etc. ] SURE AS HELL were & are not.
Pinard7 2 years ago
naah that jtf website is shit. more israeli propaganda. haha it says "jtf prediction of 9/11 in 1994". hmm i bet any israeli group coulda "predicted" that ;) anyways, palestine will be free again with time !
waterroadtree324 3 years ago
Can anyone tell me what's the music in this video?
Hansie0Slim 3 years ago
At the time, Palestine was inhabited by a half a million Palestinian Arabs and a few Palestinian Jews who are blood related and who had lived together in peace for centuries. With Palestine as their choice for a homeland, European Ashkenazi Jews began migrating to Palestine. As I explained earlier, most were communist/socialist oriented with some of them being radical Bolshevik communists whose aim is world domination.
oo446611 3 years ago
Face it people niggers are just thick cunts.
greenlantern1965 3 years ago 2
I hope our African-American brothers go there and help our brothers fix this decease called: white racists messing up the motherland instead of joinng the army who is causing these problems for my brothers in South-Africa..
ASIC4IVER 3 years ago
africa americans sucks!
naudes 3 years ago 2
You would be hated by your so called black brothers - as you haven't got your totem anymore. you forget how tribal africa is, and if you go there - you will be hated more than the whites.That is the problem with American blacks, they don't have a clue of the reality of the place, you live in some kind of dream.
JustUsIce 3 years ago
when different groups fight to gain what belongs to others
50ffash 3 years ago
Am ISrael Chai!
Gluma 3 years ago 3
"Arguing with a negro and trying to reason with it is a foolish waste of time and effort. Ignore the negro, nothing good can come from contact with them. They are a failed race of evolutionary losers, treat them as such".
Stunr99 3 years ago
you should have used the old south african flag :)
PILMAN 4 years ago 2
ja but see, i wanted to showcase the death and destruction commited under this flag.
If i used the Vierkelur, I would put say development and prosperity.
janolifant 4 years ago
As a Christian we need to stand for God's spiritual Israel. But we can all be sons of Abraham in the true Israel, if we follow God, and believe in Jesus!
Verlch 4 years ago
im not anti black, but im anti -flying planes into buildings killing innocent poeple- naais video
orkneysnorknie 4 years ago
Dankie Orkney.
Love your name by the way haha ;)
janolifant 4 years ago
Hello Boetie. Thank you. As for the Jews, you see those that are for the blacks-they are not true Jews, in fact, they are pro-arab and anti-israel! They are what is called self-hating jews. But check out JTF, those guys are anti-black/muslim/communist/evil. Theire awesome(JTF). Check out what they say about mandela ;)
janolifant 4 years ago
Good vid bru... what song is that anyway
mangoandbanana 4 years ago
Thank you Boet.
The song is "escape" by craig armstrong
Remember visit the links ;)
janolifant 4 years ago
I miss the old South Africa...Botha...is better than the ANC...
dudemantwo 4 years ago
of course botha was better fot the white people because he looked after them and no one else. most people here who post comments like yours do not like being held on the same par as a black person, but what do you expect in black country, black continent.
lBRON1000 3 years ago
I am sorry...but Africa is not a Black country Black continent...
Tell that to the Egyptians...and you will get a punch in the nose...
South Africa is successful because the Afrikaaners and other Blaankes made it successful...
dudemantwo 3 years ago 3
of course it is and i don't deny that. but don't you think black people would have liked to be part of the building of south africa, yes. however the apartheid regime was too caught up on things that don't matter and notions that boggle the mind, like black people are not deserving of an education, they are only good for gardening, cleaning and being maids.
lBRON1000 3 years ago
Egyptians aren't Black...
dudemantwo 3 years ago
You'll get many people that would even say that they are not even good with this.
Also: Black people could get an education in the old South Africa.
Horagalles 3 years ago
yeah a shit education is shit areas, with little or no hope of getting a job deserving of your knowledge. and the few people who had an education in those times i.e. Nelson Mandela where in one way or another privelaged, like Mandela is transkei royalty. so do not try to justify the regime by saying black people could get an education b'coz clearly it wasnt good. and you can't deny that black kids had a different sylabbes to those of the white kids.
lBRON1000 3 years ago
You expose typical the-government-must-hand-out-mentality.
You mean education provided by public schools. Well that education was still good enough to teach people basic writing and calculation skills. That's, if the schools were not burned down by "Anti-Apartheid-activists". Does it perhaps come to your mind that the syllabi were different because of cultural differences and the differences in mental capabilities. Most Black kids failed, when they got a the White sillabus.
Horagalles 3 years ago
we seriously doubt that anti apartheid activits burnt down the schools, youmust be fueled up on propaganda that was handed out that time, and if they did it was for a better cause. but why should there be a different syllabus for white kids and different a one for the black kids, we do after all live in the same country. and cultural difference will always exist in a place that is multi-cultured, but that doesn't justify providing a better education for the white kids over the blacks.
lBRON1000 3 years ago
There is no we here. You can doubt the burning of schools or the the murder of dissidents by anti apartheid activists as much as you want, it remains a well proven fact. Search for "revolution in Black SA schools". One also needs to be familiar with the goals of separate development, before one makes any judgement. Why the syllabus was different has been explained sufficiently to you.
Horagalles 3 years ago
listen don't bring me that bullshit. first off all i did not say that i doubted that people were murdered, and it is unfortunate. and since you are the expert in the goals of separate development, please indulge because i would love to know, so i can disprove you. and it is also a proven fact that black people were killed for taking affirmative action against an oppressive goverment. tell me why do you fell the way you do? i thought our country was a rainbow nation; for blacks and whites.
lBRON1000 3 years ago
well now that they have a chance with great white schools and universities..they still fail.even forced the teachers to pass them and look how they act at the university lately-that was not hoe a civilized person acts.The ANC even have high power,but they cant do the job,so dont comment on this page,cause you dont know what you are talking about claerly.
oumameelbol 3 years ago
Man I disagree with almost everything you say so ill just pick on 1 thing
The blacks in South Africa during apartheid were the most educated blacks on the entire African continent !
& how can you say it was a shit education lol Did you know that under the ANC government more blacks fail matric than during apartheid & the education system has been lowerd to even lower than the Bantu education level
Do you know what the reason was for inventing apartheid in the first place ?
MAGROTRON 3 years ago
I disagree with you too. Not every black person in South Africa was a son of chief and therefore had some privilege.. When black kids went to school parents had to pay school fees, and they were paid less; whereas white kids were going to school for free, and their parents were paid more. The conditions of the black schools, whcih often didn't have adequate electricity and plumbing were not at all condusive to learning.
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