Atlanta Home Inspector Discovers Plumber's Big Mistake

[yendor1200]

ok mister home inspector, what woud you have done. i honestly think you would have done a sister joist as well.

[sanity599]

This should have been caught by the building inspector when the house was being built. But a few dollars passes and nobody is the wiser. Until a huge crack opens in the wall but by then everybody has gotten paid and building another fine example of union workmanship.

[atcaleb]

@sanity599 Why would you say Union made? You have some issues buddy. Majority of new homes are not at all Union made. in fact I'll bet most of that engineered lumber was made in China, go look inside a new home and see for yourself. Made in China all over the materials. I'll bet the plumber, electrician, insulators etc. were all non-Union. I'll bet over half the labor was foreign. Maybe US citizens, but not born in the US. Go out to a site and look-for real. P

[sanity599]

@atcaleb Talk about somebody with issues. Another example of the pot calling the kettle black. What you lose your cushy union job? No more three hour coffee breaks? No more sleeping in the back of the truck?? Unions are supposed to take care of the worker. But all over America they have destroyed jobs. Just keep going on strike and raise the price until foreign materials and workers take over. Next time you see china on something realize the Union made that happen.

[sanity599]

@sanity599 You should look at US Steel. Their steel used to be the best in the world. But the union just kept going on strike until Japanese steel was able to break their market. Now they need yours and my tax dollars in the form of subsides. The American tax payer keeps them going so we can have a steel plant in America. And it is directly the unions fault.

I'll let you in on another secret. Someone that is a US citizen is an American not a foreigner you pompous ass.

[HomeEnergyNow]

One of the million reasons to hire a good framer. We would actually install the floor joist knowing where the tub/toilet drains need to be. To me it looks as if has already been repaired with the joist next to it. TJI are rarely doubled up like that, unless one needs cut for plumbing.

[MovingUpp]

Hey inspector. Isn't that a scab-on brace installed to the right of the cut-out? If so, how does theory dictate it performs relative to design? Are the floor's newly down-rated loads being breached with this cutout/scab?

...not everything that's not "to code" is dangerous. Don't murder liberty. Please. Don't kill happiness.

[2525monsterman]

just so it fixst the problumb

[mintage85]

as long as the plumber let the builder know, there's nothing he's done wrong. Thats where the pipe needs to go so they can brace it around the pipe

[Zyworski]

Now that you have identified the problem don't stop there, let us know what the remedial fix is.

[piftorres]

This happen all the time with us and we allways get a solution together with the owner and the frame guy.

[FireAce44]

This will be the cause of the end of the world.

[donsjuand]

As long as you are focused on blame, you are not focused on solutions. How useful. Start thinking about useful knowledge to offer and less about what you can take from your fellow man.

[bigchunks83]

@donsjuand that wasn't useful

[ducttape69420]

That's probally why the beam was installed beside the one that was cut . Don't blame the plumber.. The toilet has to be 13 " from the c.l of the finish wall... the framer put the wall wrong.. it's the framers fault/g.c. not the plumber.. . I'm sure the toilet flushes.. if the wall was moved i stud size over it would not interfere.. but did the framer move it ? no . That's why it's like that..

[alderaforall]

@ducttape69420 it isn't an issue with the wall being in the wrong place, it's that the framer who layed out the floor joists didn't plan right. Other than that I agree the sistered joist next to it makes the cut joist meaningless as far as a structural problem. Plumbers are notorious for doing this kind of crap though, they come in and butcher shit and never bother saying anything.

[tweeetme]

why you standing under it you gay idiot, besides it.s the engineers fault not the plumber. you gay idiot

[cRaBuLaR]

its not the end of the world why couldn't a new support be fixed to the other side this would strengthen it back up? all the plumber needed to do was talk to the builder and arrange this! problem fixed no safety issues

[leaddrop]

Typical example of one hand not talking to the other.

"just get it done! Push it through! Move to the next house!"

At this point a modified stud shoe can be used with an engineers approval.

[deedi7391]

the framer should have known the layout for the joist unless the prints were diferrent fromthe plumbers. in any case it should have been headered off to pass code

[MsPhuckme]

I don't blame the plumber one bit. all you ever hear is WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE DONE. over and over again.

[isleofgold]

difficult at times to get good tradesmen

[abot5000]

its the framers fault. if you start moving toilet locatinons for framers you will wind up shiting in your living room.

[yumyumsashimi]

would a support on the opposite side be a proper fix?

[ZR1Terror]

I'm pretty sure.

[willerlite01]

@yumyumsashimi thats what i was thinking.

[66gmctruck]

Obviously the builder knew that the plumber cut the I joist, the floors are already insulated. DUH!

[EskimoFists]

That drain pipe is a 4X3 water closet flange. The plumber is given specific dimensions to where this goes as to not get it too close to either the tub/shower or the basin.

Obviously the plumber is at fault for continuing to run the plumbing, however the framer is responsible for putting the joist there, and more importantly the engineer of the home is responsible for where the joists go, so it is actually his fault.

However, the plumber should have notified the builder to put in a replacement

[Myfaceisonfirenow]

Typical plumber. They just don't know and really dont care about cutting up the framing. Hey, the carpenter can fix it right?

Same with all the subtrades.

[ballsniff13]

well the plumber should have at least scrwed another 2x6 to the other side of that

[AllEyezOnM3e]

Its the builders fault for not getting it right in the first place but its also the plumbers fault for just going off and doing the wrong thing.

[tryduckmeat]

Not to sure but didnt anyone have plans in any of your installs?The load bearing wall looks like it was moved over in that video , I see the top plate of your wall in this video off to the side and wonder if the plumber also moved the whole wall too ? Are you sure that this other beam wasnt installed dueto the other one needing to becut out because the framers screwed up oreven the architect screwed up ?I really dont think this isthe load bearing wall being there isa wall one floor joist over .

[heatseeker213]

where is the i-joist hanger where they intersect? the plumber remove that as well?

[Russellbeta]

if theres a wall on those 2 I's I wonder what the toilet to pipe plumbing looks like upstairs yikes.

[memine81]

offset flange would of worked,and look at all those 90's on the water line that's flow restriction

[PLUMBdogg]

The water distribution piping should be sized to account for pressure loss due to friction anyway so flow restriction wouldn't be a concern. We're talking 1/2 a psi here.

[memine81]

1/2 a psi....well i would like full potential regardless

[uaplumber23]

Flow Restriction? Two 90 like that on what is probably a short run will make little difference.