Since when does making it mean that you have to become a millionaire? I had no parents to support me and I've been able to get student loans to go to school. Do I want the government to 'forgive' my loans? NO. Why should they. If I picked a major that payed me so little that I wasn't able to pay off my loans, then I deserve what I get. We're quickly becoming a nation of children who want to be babied through our whole lives. Work hard and stop complaining, that's what made this nation great.
Racism of class is what I call it. There is no need for this type of racism. We live in the 21st Century with a tri-corder (iphone) in my hand and yet our poverty is at the highest along with the unreasonable distritbution of wealth.
The 99% has no one to represent us. Is there anyone willing to do so? Is there anyone willing to take on the responsibility? If only one of the twelve original starters of the occupy wall street members steps up to the plate, I think we the other 99% will join in. This is the third party we have all been needing. I would like Michael Moore to speak out on this. Dennis Kucinich too. It is not what you wear. It is the purity of heart that matters.
The Left is not attacking the Occupy movement. It's the fake left (elitist liberal intelligensia) that is. They are upset because they are being swept aside.
Right on! Michael Moore is controlled opposition and is a progressive (communist/socialist/collectivist/globalist) and has an agenda other than what his appears to be...and he isn't even very good at it..lol.
lol,the most open journalism in the US (and most of the western world) is Russian or Arabic. Thank you Russia Today and Al Jazeera for showing up the west for the hypocrites they are.
Occupy Wall Street could be one of the most successful popular demonstrations in history. If it can somehow be made multi racial and multinational perhaps the ruling elite can be brought to the negotiating table, without bloodshed, or confiscation of property including capital, that violent revolutions bring. :) Draft capital not troops.
There is nothing to fear but: mace, police batons, rubber or live bullets, arrests, imprisonment, cracked skulls, brutal assaults, being dragged, their breath knocked out of them or champaign spilt on them by the high flying banksters in their lofty perch. Is it possible for peaceful demonstrations to take place in America if they are not race based or main stream media supported? Peaceful demonstrations are guaranteed by the American constitution and are suppose to bring grievances to light
Mother Jones doesn't think people wearing Guy Fawkes masks should be taken seriously? Do you know what those masks represent, Mother Jones? Don't be surprised when your computer security system is breached and your editor's privacy is violated. It's the kind of thing Anonymous has done in the recent past when ill-informed people say or do stupid things. Bye bye Mother Jones. Won't be visiting your site or buying your magazine, ever. Ha ha.
The protesters need to hammer out a set of demands, ones that Obama and the banks can implement without needing the support of Republicans in Congress. That way he cannot hide behind the Republicans, whose support he will never get. The demands might include renegotiating mortgages, breaking up the big banks, criminal prosecution of bankers who committed fraud, etc.
If the movement can keep growing, more and more average people will be drawn to it, and the exhibitionistic type of personalities will constitute a smaller percentage of the protesters. Wall Street has harmed many average people who have found no outlet for their frustration through the corrupt political system.
Wrong Kevin and Alyona you're too naive and idealistic. It's not elitism - it's knowing who your REAL support base actually is and can make this movement have sustainability.
Who is your MOTIVATED demographic?
It's the ESTABLISHMENT screwed by Wall Street who will (if properly approached) support and help build the movement with MONEY and ORGANIZATION.
These people will all vanish when it starts to snow! What then?
MONEY and ORGANIZATION and professional product branding will win.
@AffinityNetNews The establishment screwed by Wall Street......hmmm. If there are still as many "old money" "trusts" as there used to be, they are probably not to happy right now. Their managers have failed them big time, showing themselves to be corrupt and incompetent. What if this disgruntled mass was shown clearly on paper how a redirection of their capital might change the probable outcome of things to come, if major changes are not made.
@vladdrac88 Exactly! We must market the movement to those within the sphere of Wall Street influence and begin to destroy it at its core. We will never defeat them from without but, from within.
The most dangerous enemy is the enemy who looks just like you, talks just you and silently destroys you from within.
Branding and image is everything in our product-dominated and dis-functional society.
The only way this protest will survive, is to light a fire in the ever increasing dis-enfranshised conservative/liberal middle-upper class that actually agree with you but, can't and won't identify with you because, you haven't marketed your movement to the proper demographic thru correct branding and image.
To not address this vital understanding will lead to abject failure now and in the future.
Branding and image is everything in our product-dominated and dis-functional society.
The only way this protest will survive, is to light a fire in the ever increasing dis-enfranshised conservative/liberal middle-upper class that actually agree with you but, can't and won't identify with you because, you haven't marketed your movement to the proper demographic thru correct branding and image.
To not address this vital understanding will lead to abject failure now and in the future.
If you want to resinate with the conditioned mind-controlled 'establishment middle-class', and actually succeed with exposing Wall Street, you must look and sound like them in order to create a cognitive connective relationship.
We must use the 'conditioned mind' construct to our political end.
Articulate and educated protestors wearing business suits, white shirt and conservative tie, will garner far more political awakening and adhesion to our cause than than anything else.
The 99% is going to suffer as long as labor in China is paid 37 cents an hour(If the wage has changed, I suspect it has not changed enough to effect the problem of slave wages).. Chinese slave labor product dumping will not stop at America. It will also infect Europe and Russia. If it hasn't already.
Ron Paul is the only man who can restore our country to what it once was and was always meant to be: a White Christian Capitalist nation. Lets support Dr. Paul and his efforts to return our country to the glory of the 1800's. We are getting our country back! WHITE POWER!
Yes.... all these kids should go out and buy $1000 suits to camp out for weeks in... maybe they should buy a second one to sleep in while it rains? What people say and do are more important than what they look like and what they wear. There's a difference between trying to "sell yourself" when you interview for a job, and trying to make a political message.
Would be ironic to protest Wall St in suits, oxymoron even. Same words were used in the 60s. This movement cant be judged by the physical people on the streets. 10 years ago, physical numbers meant everything. Instead the scope should be measured by the amassing of social networks. The spread is far more reaching than can be physically seen on the streets. We have entered an age of Protest By Proxy. The live feed alone for occupywallst is nearing 14 millions views from all over the world.
Every time Israel decides to crush Palestine a bit more and then some more we see what our "liberal" press is worth - it ain't worth NUTHIN'. It 's not even liberal. It's just some rich people who are not as bad as Rush Limbaugh. Face it; once Hillary and Joe Lieberman represent your label, it's time to throw that label away and find a new one.
Liberals never have suported anything good when it was happening. Liberals were shocked at the horror of the Vietnamese war but they were also shocked by a movement that had long hair and sometimes talked rude. Liberals believe in capitalism but they think it should be more courteous. Liberals think that everyvbody should be wellread and nice and openminded , and dress to fit in. If you want honesty, courage, leadership you must look further left than liberal. Try progressive. Or leftist.
There is no such thing in the main stream media as a liberal media. It is all corporate owned and they tend to be more moderate conservative just with the name. Suits and bought off journalism pretending to be so called journalist. So sad, maybe if all of those people would have bought hats with tea bags on them, then maybe the left would have been satisfied.
@whedonfreak976 You are almost to the point that I can agree with you here. The media is corporate but, the "journalists" tend to be left leaning for the most part. I do agree that the "main stream media" would pay attention if the protesters were TEA Party people. Only because the more absurd of the them are easy to make fun of. All and all, not a bad comment.
Everyone gets a voice but them funny lookin people ? This is the rot of a fascist nazi style pro torture preemptive warmongering policy that has poisoned the society The US is now a worthless shell and its only hope is the protesters have more of an IQ than Bush W the war criminal and grandson of a Nazi war profiteer
The protesters should learn of Ron Paul and spread support for him, rather than wasting time, energy and resources with this circus show, the Wall Street Protest.
@restlesspride666 Ron Paul supporters come from a broad spectrum to include Vince Vaughn, Barry Manilow, Chuck Norris to John Mayer. Even folks on the left get him like Bill Maher ("Ron Paul is my new hero", said earnestly) and John Steward. Do these people ever doubt themselves? More or less like the rest of us!
What cronie do you support? Oh, let me guess..because you live in a free society, you get to be an anarchist!
hippie= Environmental ,Spiritual ,social , educational movements!!!!! how was that bad? oh and they give great music and comady too!! the hippies were right
Alex Jones, a person who has enormous fans base especially the age between 20-40 shouldn't he be there to support these young protesters? I mean c'mon, he is someone who claims himself sneaking into bohemian grove and doing all that mission impossible spying work (climb up a tree, jump off a river b..b..blah) Why he isn't in New York and rise with these protesters? Why not much coverage from him? Is he a tool, a detraction or just simply a stress ball in human form to keep the crowd busy.
Left or right, it doesn't matter. These media front-men all work for the same people and only disagree with each other to present the illusion of choice and diversity of opinion. They don't support the protesters because the protest is challenging the cosy relationship between the media, business and government which gives status, income and opportunities to those media pundits.
@thedailydigestorg I'm not quite sure if socialists are the best people to have in the government anyway. They would push for less individual freedoms and more for governmental control of anything.
@Jyagos1 I completely agree. Those that push for a socialist agenda have not read history and don't get that socialism, in all its flavors, has failed many every time it has been tried. They are under the disillusion that our capitalism has failed, when we have not had capitalism in this country for a very long time.
What we currently have is a mix of corporate and fascist elements that are bringing us to our knees.
@thedailydigestorg sounds like all media, by design it deviates very little from State propaganda. unfortunately it's the same in every country, the State is always repressive so it doesn't allow free speech in the media.
@truthslap Exactly. Alas, American has fallen into a propaganda-controlled state. The only thing that the powers did not plan for, is the Internet. We don't need their propaganda machines to feed our intellect. We now have each other.
I only wonder what they'll do about it. The powers that be are not the types to sit idly by while the slaves awaken and take back their sovereignty.
People who think they should be wearing suits but agree with the message are basically just saying they aren't going to jump in until the people they respect do. In other words, they don't respect these protesters and they don't have the guts to jump in and be those people in suits that they are talking about. In some more other words, these are opinions of spectators.
Interesting headline story in todays "New York Times". Its telling us that much of the world is unhappy with its "ruling elites". What is a little sinister are the remarks about "Democracy" and '...people not wanting a dictator yet'. Not wanting a dictator yet eh?. I hope 'They' are not getting ready to "sell" us on one. The systems OK; its crooked people that ruin it. This particular set of crooks has been killing people extra- Constitutionally for profit ever since Vietnam.
@vladdrac88 Absolutely ! Vietnam was the start of my political awakening.Seeing my friends graduate in the spring and then bury them in the fall . We are in the middle of a facist take over.And some will sell us out! We are going to have to fight like Hell to get our democracy back and it won't be pretty!
You say the system is OK but the problem is the crooked people who run it. I disagree.
Even if we somehow cleared out all elected representatives, went with a clean slate, and even if we picked names out of a hat at random for replacements, we would still end up in exactly the same position. You're right that they've been killing people since Vietnam (longer actually), but it hasn't been the same group of people the whole time.
@Mars2O84 :) You may be right. Personally, I think a few changes are all thats needed. One major one would be to 'Nationalize' all banking. Money is power, and it does corrupt ; unless watched and controlled as one might watch and control a nuclear reactor. Next would be equal airtime and funding for all political candidates with a certain number of signatures. :)
Ehh, I'm skeptical about "nationalization," that only places the power from one set of ruling class (private banking oligarchs) with another (politicians, bureaucrats). As long as we're on a monetary system, yeah money = power. I think history shows that concentrating wealth & power in that way is worse for democracy. It's based on the idea that the state can work for the people. If the governing body is removed from the people (as in rep. dem.) it will serve its own interests.
@Mars2O84 There has to be some kind of system. Perhaps the punishments for corruption should be increased. If the banks were nationalized, indeed banking would become a form of government service. There might be something like the 'uniform code of military justice'; accepting punishments somewhat draconian compared to civil law. I don't know anything for sure. I'm just guessing. :)
There will always be some sort of "system"' and there are many ways to organize civil society. These Occupations demonstrate a new organizational model for our society - direct democracy (General Assembly).
Why say we need more punishments for corruption instead of asking 'what causes corruption?' and 'how can we eliminate it?'
Power corrupts. If we spread decision-making power to all citizens, equally, there is no chance for this kind of corruption.
@Mars2O84 The causes of corruption!? Very good. Probably multiple but I think one will certainly be, the 'need' for money, or the need for what money can bring. The only cure for it may be a society without material want. Copyright this title. "A Society Without Material Want ". A century ago, most "scientists" would have laughed. Today, cutting edge science isn't laughing. There are "Dyson Spheres", "Hoop Worlds" and so forth. We should be putting our capital into the foundational technologies.
I completely agree. Material want destroys the human spark, but I don't think we can suddenly abandon money. Perhaps in time, once we start directing our actions towards genuine human needs instead of pure profit.
Yes, new technologies allows unprecedented opportunities to unite average citizens. I wonder what chance beneficent tech really has in a capitalist society though. There's no profit in a cure. Capitalism runs on false scarcity while also pretending resources are unlimited.
@Mars2O84 ? The desire for profit is motivated by the need to gratify peoples senses of taste, grace, personal security. etc. Genuinely high technology commercial exploitation of extra terrestrial resources, for all practical purposes, 'unlimits' resources.
Nah, desire for profit really boils down to narrow self-interested well-being, to the point of greed and selfish excess. Creative minds will invent, regardless of profit.
I don't think that "senses of taste, grace, or personal security" play much of a role in, say- privatization of water resources or cheap plastic goods from Chinese sweatshops.
We're not at the point of harvesting asteroids, so for really practical purposes, we have to recognize that our planet has limited resources.
:) Plenty to ponder. I think it's time we realize that the only way to truly secure our own personal liberty, is if we can ensure the liberty of all, in equality.
I'd recommend checking out vids of the General Assembly, and hey, check out the event nearest to you.
We all have common problems, and the ruling class has proven itself to be just too disconnected to properly address them.
@Mars2O84 The hand held video communications devices / cell phone / tablet computers make this kind of "spread decision-making power to all citizens" technically feasible. One thing very important: The information they base their decisions on cannot be "corrupted" / false / falsified information or this citizen rule will be tainted by the ability of those who might willfully use public information channels to create false realities, profitable to themselves.
@Mars2O84 The hand held video communications devices / cell phone / tablet computers make this kind of "spread decision-making power to all citizens" technically feasible. One thing very important: The information they base their decisions on cannot be "corrupted" / false / falsified information or this citizen rule will be tainted by the ability of those who might willfully use public information channels to create false realities, profitable to themselves.
Unfortunately a lot of this Wall Street protest is part of the controlled left. They really do need a program like tax the Rich or a Tobin Tax. A call for a jobs program. Consensus models generally go no where. However, I do support the spirit of the protest, but they do need program.
Since when does making it mean that you have to become a millionaire? I had no parents to support me and I've been able to get student loans to go to school. Do I want the government to 'forgive' my loans? NO. Why should they. If I picked a major that payed me so little that I wasn't able to pay off my loans, then I deserve what I get. We're quickly becoming a nation of children who want to be babied through our whole lives. Work hard and stop complaining, that's what made this nation great.
jamesyount2423 4 months ago
Take Your Shirt Off Alonya
u know u want to.......
come out of the closet Hippie
Zapppo 4 months ago
Racism of class is what I call it. There is no need for this type of racism. We live in the 21st Century with a tri-corder (iphone) in my hand and yet our poverty is at the highest along with the unreasonable distritbution of wealth.
ddpstudiosinc 4 months ago
The 99% has no one to represent us. Is there anyone willing to do so? Is there anyone willing to take on the responsibility? If only one of the twelve original starters of the occupy wall street members steps up to the plate, I think we the other 99% will join in. This is the third party we have all been needing. I would like Michael Moore to speak out on this. Dennis Kucinich too. It is not what you wear. It is the purity of heart that matters.
lrinax 4 months ago
The protesters are left. The people you are referring to are not left.
babblingfreak 4 months ago
The Left is not attacking the Occupy movement. It's the fake left (elitist liberal intelligensia) that is. They are upset because they are being swept aside.
rastore45 4 months ago
And nearly 48% of the budget is for megalomaniac military adventures! Stop this madness of the regime awaking America!
zauzari 4 months ago
Don't let M.M. fool you, he knows more than he is telling u. I liked M.M. a lot at one time, but I woke up and u will too one day
rocksiphone 4 months ago
@rocksiphone
Right on! Michael Moore is controlled opposition and is a progressive (communist/socialist/collectivist/globalist) and has an agenda other than what his appears to be...and he isn't even very good at it..lol.
VioletScorpio 4 months ago
lol,the most open journalism in the US (and most of the western world) is Russian or Arabic. Thank you Russia Today and Al Jazeera for showing up the west for the hypocrites they are.
OurnameisLegion66 4 months ago
Maybe the protesters can't afford suits?
anthonypepitoneVideo 4 months ago
elitiists will fall
iamnoone75 4 months ago
Why is MSNBC (The supposed left-wing counter-voice to Fox Noise) only paying lip service to the Occupy Wall Street Protests?
Answer: Five Degrees of Separation!
1.MSNBC is owned by NBCUniversal.
2.51% of NBCUniversal is owned by Comcast.
3.The Chairman, President & CEO of Comcast is Brian L. Roberts.
4.Brian L. Roberts also sits on the board of the Bank of New York Mellon Corporation (aka BNY Mellon)
5.The Corporate HQ of BNY Mellon is located at: #1 Wall Street!!!
StrangeIsMyWorld 4 months ago
Of course Russia Today supports American Bolshevism and the concept of class struggle...
TimHornerWOP 4 months ago
Occupy Wall Street could be one of the most successful popular demonstrations in history. If it can somehow be made multi racial and multinational perhaps the ruling elite can be brought to the negotiating table, without bloodshed, or confiscation of property including capital, that violent revolutions bring. :) Draft capital not troops.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
There is nothing to fear but: mace, police batons, rubber or live bullets, arrests, imprisonment, cracked skulls, brutal assaults, being dragged, their breath knocked out of them or champaign spilt on them by the high flying banksters in their lofty perch. Is it possible for peaceful demonstrations to take place in America if they are not race based or main stream media supported? Peaceful demonstrations are guaranteed by the American constitution and are suppose to bring grievances to light
veniceit1 4 months ago
Mother Jones doesn't think people wearing Guy Fawkes masks should be taken seriously? Do you know what those masks represent, Mother Jones? Don't be surprised when your computer security system is breached and your editor's privacy is violated. It's the kind of thing Anonymous has done in the recent past when ill-informed people say or do stupid things. Bye bye Mother Jones. Won't be visiting your site or buying your magazine, ever. Ha ha.
Blackbirdisms 4 months ago
The protesters need to hammer out a set of demands, ones that Obama and the banks can implement without needing the support of Republicans in Congress. That way he cannot hide behind the Republicans, whose support he will never get. The demands might include renegotiating mortgages, breaking up the big banks, criminal prosecution of bankers who committed fraud, etc.
4teepee 4 months ago
If the movement can keep growing, more and more average people will be drawn to it, and the exhibitionistic type of personalities will constitute a smaller percentage of the protesters. Wall Street has harmed many average people who have found no outlet for their frustration through the corrupt political system.
4teepee 4 months ago
They don't have to dress a certain way. They just have to stand firm and not give up. 99%!!!!
NoCigar1991 4 months ago
Wrong Kevin and Alyona you're too naive and idealistic. It's not elitism - it's knowing who your REAL support base actually is and can make this movement have sustainability.
Who is your MOTIVATED demographic?
It's the ESTABLISHMENT screwed by Wall Street who will (if properly approached) support and help build the movement with MONEY and ORGANIZATION.
These people will all vanish when it starts to snow! What then?
MONEY and ORGANIZATION and professional product branding will win.
AffinityNetNews 4 months ago
@AffinityNetNews The establishment screwed by Wall Street......hmmm. If there are still as many "old money" "trusts" as there used to be, they are probably not to happy right now. Their managers have failed them big time, showing themselves to be corrupt and incompetent. What if this disgruntled mass was shown clearly on paper how a redirection of their capital might change the probable outcome of things to come, if major changes are not made.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88 Exactly! We must market the movement to those within the sphere of Wall Street influence and begin to destroy it at its core. We will never defeat them from without but, from within.
The most dangerous enemy is the enemy who looks just like you, talks just you and silently destroys you from within.
AffinityNetNews 4 months ago
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Branding and image is everything in our product-dominated and dis-functional society.
The only way this protest will survive, is to light a fire in the ever increasing dis-enfranshised conservative/liberal middle-upper class that actually agree with you but, can't and won't identify with you because, you haven't marketed your movement to the proper demographic thru correct branding and image.
To not address this vital understanding will lead to abject failure now and in the future.
AffinityNetNews 4 months ago
Branding and image is everything in our product-dominated and dis-functional society.
The only way this protest will survive, is to light a fire in the ever increasing dis-enfranshised conservative/liberal middle-upper class that actually agree with you but, can't and won't identify with you because, you haven't marketed your movement to the proper demographic thru correct branding and image.
To not address this vital understanding will lead to abject failure now and in the future.
AffinityNetNews 4 months ago
If you want to resinate with the conditioned mind-controlled 'establishment middle-class', and actually succeed with exposing Wall Street, you must look and sound like them in order to create a cognitive connective relationship.
We must use the 'conditioned mind' construct to our political end.
Articulate and educated protestors wearing business suits, white shirt and conservative tie, will garner far more political awakening and adhesion to our cause than than anything else.
AffinityNetNews 4 months ago 2
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To have something to laugh about in these sad times, press 7:45 over and over again.
Jostipi 4 months ago
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Jostipi 4 months ago
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m, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm good.
ProthoPectore 4 months ago
this kevin gosztola has yummy yummy brains mmmmmmm.
nomnomnomnomnomnom.......
ProthoPectore 4 months ago
THANKYOU!
;)
ProthoPectore 4 months ago
The 99% is going to suffer as long as labor in China is paid 37 cents an hour(If the wage has changed, I suspect it has not changed enough to effect the problem of slave wages).. Chinese slave labor product dumping will not stop at America. It will also infect Europe and Russia. If it hasn't already.
wwood14 4 months ago
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Ron Paul is the only man who can restore our country to what it once was and was always meant to be: a White Christian Capitalist nation. Lets support Dr. Paul and his efforts to return our country to the glory of the 1800's. We are getting our country back! WHITE POWER!
RON PAUL 2012!!!
RealRonPaul 4 months ago
Yes.... all these kids should go out and buy $1000 suits to camp out for weeks in... maybe they should buy a second one to sleep in while it rains? What people say and do are more important than what they look like and what they wear. There's a difference between trying to "sell yourself" when you interview for a job, and trying to make a political message.
bluesnow222 4 months ago
She said the police brutality muddied the message?
I guess the protesters need to issue a statement: "Well, gee, we're really fucking sorry the fascist cops started cracking our heads!"
How exactly were the protesters supposed to control that?
aaronpolitical 4 months ago 17
Would be ironic to protest Wall St in suits, oxymoron even. Same words were used in the 60s. This movement cant be judged by the physical people on the streets. 10 years ago, physical numbers meant everything. Instead the scope should be measured by the amassing of social networks. The spread is far more reaching than can be physically seen on the streets. We have entered an age of Protest By Proxy. The live feed alone for occupywallst is nearing 14 millions views from all over the world.
paulcoonan 4 months ago
i want to make a black bloc at wall street.
death9719 4 months ago
Every time Israel decides to crush Palestine a bit more and then some more we see what our "liberal" press is worth - it ain't worth NUTHIN'. It 's not even liberal. It's just some rich people who are not as bad as Rush Limbaugh. Face it; once Hillary and Joe Lieberman represent your label, it's time to throw that label away and find a new one.
grandmachristine42 4 months ago
Liberals never have suported anything good when it was happening. Liberals were shocked at the horror of the Vietnamese war but they were also shocked by a movement that had long hair and sometimes talked rude. Liberals believe in capitalism but they think it should be more courteous. Liberals think that everyvbody should be wellread and nice and openminded , and dress to fit in. If you want honesty, courage, leadership you must look further left than liberal. Try progressive. Or leftist.
grandmachristine42 4 months ago
There is no such thing in the main stream media as a liberal media. It is all corporate owned and they tend to be more moderate conservative just with the name. Suits and bought off journalism pretending to be so called journalist. So sad, maybe if all of those people would have bought hats with tea bags on them, then maybe the left would have been satisfied.
whedonfreak976 4 months ago
@whedonfreak976 You are almost to the point that I can agree with you here. The media is corporate but, the "journalists" tend to be left leaning for the most part. I do agree that the "main stream media" would pay attention if the protesters were TEA Party people. Only because the more absurd of the them are easy to make fun of. All and all, not a bad comment.
atchisrj1 4 months ago
We're all doomed.
gorillafix 4 months ago
Everyone gets a voice but them funny lookin people ? This is the rot of a fascist nazi style pro torture preemptive warmongering policy that has poisoned the society The US is now a worthless shell and its only hope is the protesters have more of an IQ than Bush W the war criminal and grandson of a Nazi war profiteer
troutfish70 4 months ago
The protesters should learn of Ron Paul and spread support for him, rather than wasting time, energy and resources with this circus show, the Wall Street Protest.
It's a waste!
UnderseaCaveman 4 months ago
@UnderseaCaveman The only real circus act are ron paul supporters. I all of you never doubt yourselves once right ? :D
restlesspride666 4 months ago
@restlesspride666 Ron Paul supporters come from a broad spectrum to include Vince Vaughn, Barry Manilow, Chuck Norris to John Mayer. Even folks on the left get him like Bill Maher ("Ron Paul is my new hero", said earnestly) and John Steward. Do these people ever doubt themselves? More or less like the rest of us!
What cronie do you support? Oh, let me guess..because you live in a free society, you get to be an anarchist!
UnderseaCaveman 4 months ago
:)
TheComputerEngineer 4 months ago
hippie= Environmental ,Spiritual ,social , educational movements!!!!! how was that bad? oh and they give great music and comady too!! the hippies were right
mykmmc 4 months ago 3
Alex Jones, a person who has enormous fans base especially the age between 20-40 shouldn't he be there to support these young protesters? I mean c'mon, he is someone who claims himself sneaking into bohemian grove and doing all that mission impossible spying work (climb up a tree, jump off a river b..b..blah) Why he isn't in New York and rise with these protesters? Why not much coverage from him? Is he a tool, a detraction or just simply a stress ball in human form to keep the crowd busy.
Akesioscode 4 months ago
@Akesioscode lmao your funny
surfjerr 4 months ago
What kind of stupid douchebag, that claims to be a lefty would talk shit about someone for not wearing a suit?!
You can't win playing their game you stupid fuck hole, we need to get mad, get out and yell and fight because VOTING DOESN'T WORK
mesmokumpeacepipe 4 months ago 3
Stand up and fight people. I know I will.
seraphimrock 4 months ago
Left or right, it doesn't matter. These media front-men all work for the same people and only disagree with each other to present the illusion of choice and diversity of opinion. They don't support the protesters because the protest is challenging the cosy relationship between the media, business and government which gives status, income and opportunities to those media pundits.
Endostatic 4 months ago
How dare the protesters demand equal rights. Don't they know they are peasants?
dfg93353 4 months ago
WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS A LEFT THING INSTEAD OF AN AMERICAN THING....EVERYONE SHOULD BE THERE
angrynhpatriot 4 months ago
Lol, Michael Moore threw in a lot of weight behind the cause.
rhinnawi95 4 months ago
The left-leaning media is owned. They are not Liberal in the traditional sense. They are left in the Obama sense. Corporate socialists.
thedailydigestorg 4 months ago 28
@thedailydigestorg Why are you making a distinction about "left wing" media. All media is owned. And what do you mean by corporate socialist?
tuber123asd 4 months ago
@tuber123asd derp and derp a der.
restlesspride666 4 months ago
@tuber123asd I didn't say all media was not owned. The subject of the video was the left-leaning media and that was the focus of my comment.
Corporate socialist could describe someone who is a socialist in the public sense, but who's ideology is owned by the corporate world.
Are you trying to find something to argue about? I don't argue with people. I research and find the truth about matters.
thedailydigestorg 4 months ago
@thedailydigestorg I'm not quite sure if socialists are the best people to have in the government anyway. They would push for less individual freedoms and more for governmental control of anything.
Jyagos1 4 months ago
@Jyagos1 I completely agree. Those that push for a socialist agenda have not read history and don't get that socialism, in all its flavors, has failed many every time it has been tried. They are under the disillusion that our capitalism has failed, when we have not had capitalism in this country for a very long time.
What we currently have is a mix of corporate and fascist elements that are bringing us to our knees.
thedailydigestorg 4 months ago
@thedailydigestorg
Failed as in Europe? It has not failed. Only being derailed by the Corporatist politicians in power in the European Union.
We will get rid of them.
mad8london247 4 months ago
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@thedailydigestorg
Failed as in Europe? It has not failed. Only being derailed by the Corporatist politicians in power in the European Union.
We will get rid of them.
mad8london247 4 months ago
@thedailydigestorg Do you mean Corporatist aka Fascist?
atchisrj1 4 months ago
@thedailydigestorg There are a lot of labels used, and that is another that probably fits well.
thedailydigestorg 4 months ago
@thedailydigestorg sounds like all media, by design it deviates very little from State propaganda. unfortunately it's the same in every country, the State is always repressive so it doesn't allow free speech in the media.
truthslap 4 months ago
@truthslap Exactly. Alas, American has fallen into a propaganda-controlled state. The only thing that the powers did not plan for, is the Internet. We don't need their propaganda machines to feed our intellect. We now have each other.
I only wonder what they'll do about it. The powers that be are not the types to sit idly by while the slaves awaken and take back their sovereignty.
thedailydigestorg 4 months ago
Americas "Tahrir Square" beginning?.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88 I hope so !!
420gma 4 months ago
People who think they should be wearing suits but agree with the message are basically just saying they aren't going to jump in until the people they respect do. In other words, they don't respect these protesters and they don't have the guts to jump in and be those people in suits that they are talking about. In some more other words, these are opinions of spectators.
twistfinger 4 months ago 3
Have those complaining about how the protesters are dressed ever seen a Tea Party rally?
sonjajh 4 months ago
#Occupy Your Constitution!
NAUresistance 4 months ago 2
Its the left, its the right.. its the capitalists, its the socialists..
NAUresistance 4 months ago
fuck suits....
DemeterLovesPumpkins 4 months ago
Interesting headline story in todays "New York Times". Its telling us that much of the world is unhappy with its "ruling elites". What is a little sinister are the remarks about "Democracy" and '...people not wanting a dictator yet'. Not wanting a dictator yet eh?. I hope 'They' are not getting ready to "sell" us on one. The systems OK; its crooked people that ruin it. This particular set of crooks has been killing people extra- Constitutionally for profit ever since Vietnam.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88 Absolutely ! Vietnam was the start of my political awakening.Seeing my friends graduate in the spring and then bury them in the fall . We are in the middle of a facist take over.And some will sell us out! We are going to have to fight like Hell to get our democracy back and it won't be pretty!
420gma 4 months ago
@420gma If there are other lives, I hope I'm reborn after its over. If 'they' win, let me sleep :)
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88
You say the system is OK but the problem is the crooked people who run it. I disagree.
Even if we somehow cleared out all elected representatives, went with a clean slate, and even if we picked names out of a hat at random for replacements, we would still end up in exactly the same position. You're right that they've been killing people since Vietnam (longer actually), but it hasn't been the same group of people the whole time.
The system is NOT OK. Power corrupts.
Mars2O84 4 months ago
@Mars2O84 :) You may be right. Personally, I think a few changes are all thats needed. One major one would be to 'Nationalize' all banking. Money is power, and it does corrupt ; unless watched and controlled as one might watch and control a nuclear reactor. Next would be equal airtime and funding for all political candidates with a certain number of signatures. :)
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88
Ehh, I'm skeptical about "nationalization," that only places the power from one set of ruling class (private banking oligarchs) with another (politicians, bureaucrats). As long as we're on a monetary system, yeah money = power. I think history shows that concentrating wealth & power in that way is worse for democracy. It's based on the idea that the state can work for the people. If the governing body is removed from the people (as in rep. dem.) it will serve its own interests.
Mars2O84 4 months ago
@Mars2O84 There has to be some kind of system. Perhaps the punishments for corruption should be increased. If the banks were nationalized, indeed banking would become a form of government service. There might be something like the 'uniform code of military justice'; accepting punishments somewhat draconian compared to civil law. I don't know anything for sure. I'm just guessing. :)
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88
It's all possibilities for now.
There will always be some sort of "system"' and there are many ways to organize civil society. These Occupations demonstrate a new organizational model for our society - direct democracy (General Assembly).
Why say we need more punishments for corruption instead of asking 'what causes corruption?' and 'how can we eliminate it?'
Power corrupts. If we spread decision-making power to all citizens, equally, there is no chance for this kind of corruption.
Mars2O84 4 months ago
@Mars2O84 The causes of corruption!? Very good. Probably multiple but I think one will certainly be, the 'need' for money, or the need for what money can bring. The only cure for it may be a society without material want. Copyright this title. "A Society Without Material Want ". A century ago, most "scientists" would have laughed. Today, cutting edge science isn't laughing. There are "Dyson Spheres", "Hoop Worlds" and so forth. We should be putting our capital into the foundational technologies.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88
I completely agree. Material want destroys the human spark, but I don't think we can suddenly abandon money. Perhaps in time, once we start directing our actions towards genuine human needs instead of pure profit.
Yes, new technologies allows unprecedented opportunities to unite average citizens. I wonder what chance beneficent tech really has in a capitalist society though. There's no profit in a cure. Capitalism runs on false scarcity while also pretending resources are unlimited.
Mars2O84 4 months ago
@Mars2O84 ? The desire for profit is motivated by the need to gratify peoples senses of taste, grace, personal security. etc. Genuinely high technology commercial exploitation of extra terrestrial resources, for all practical purposes, 'unlimits' resources.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac
Nah, desire for profit really boils down to narrow self-interested well-being, to the point of greed and selfish excess. Creative minds will invent, regardless of profit.
I don't think that "senses of taste, grace, or personal security" play much of a role in, say- privatization of water resources or cheap plastic goods from Chinese sweatshops.
We're not at the point of harvesting asteroids, so for really practical purposes, we have to recognize that our planet has limited resources.
Mars2O84 4 months ago
@Mars2O84 must think a bit :)
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88
:) Plenty to ponder. I think it's time we realize that the only way to truly secure our own personal liberty, is if we can ensure the liberty of all, in equality.
I'd recommend checking out vids of the General Assembly, and hey, check out the event nearest to you.
We all have common problems, and the ruling class has proven itself to be just too disconnected to properly address them.
Peace.
Mars2O84 4 months ago
@Mars2O84 The hand held video communications devices / cell phone / tablet computers make this kind of "spread decision-making power to all citizens" technically feasible. One thing very important: The information they base their decisions on cannot be "corrupted" / false / falsified information or this citizen rule will be tainted by the ability of those who might willfully use public information channels to create false realities, profitable to themselves.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
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@Mars2O84 The hand held video communications devices / cell phone / tablet computers make this kind of "spread decision-making power to all citizens" technically feasible. One thing very important: The information they base their decisions on cannot be "corrupted" / false / falsified information or this citizen rule will be tainted by the ability of those who might willfully use public information channels to create false realities, profitable to themselves.
vladdrac88 4 months ago
What do "effective" protestors wear these day?
lmao!
chocomalk 4 months ago
@chocomalk THEY WEAR WHAT IS FASHIONABLE FOR PROTESTING! If not, they are NOT taken seriously. MAKES SENSE!
JRCrowley 4 months ago
@chocomalk If you think you might spend time in some jail consider what might be good for jail
vladdrac88 4 months ago
@vladdrac88
lol, true enough.
chocomalk 4 months ago
Unfortunately a lot of this Wall Street protest is part of the controlled left. They really do need a program like tax the Rich or a Tobin Tax. A call for a jobs program. Consensus models generally go no where. However, I do support the spirit of the protest, but they do need program.
wanker89 4 months ago
livestream(dot)com/OWSLosAngeles Occupy Los Angeles live stream!
jamesusillXD 4 months ago
Alina, are you aware you are communist?
Armando7654 4 months ago
neo-liberal is anything but a leftwing philosophy
dfg93353 4 months ago 2
@dfg93353
Be carefull or Alyona has to give you "The Tool Time" award for stupidity.
llothar68 4 months ago
2 words:
''Controlled Opposition''
MrBuffaloSouldja 4 months ago
Wait a minute....there's a left-leaning media in America? Wow, this is AMAZING news. I mean, really. I never thought it would be possible.
BeholdZeus 4 months ago 4