@goxjr41 hes gonna take your word for it. much like he takes the word of a 2000 year old book that was written by sub mental goat herders. The exact reason christians and other religious buffoons cant grasp reality. "Im gonna take your word for it" that should be all religions news slogan.
there is a God it's not you! The God haters are trying really hard to iliminate God a futile endevor. You may as well stop the wind from blowing! I'm not being a very good christian by saying this but there is a hell even if you don't believe most sincerely, you'd be sincerely wrong! unfortunately most of you will walk right into hell God doesn't want you to chose hell. I however am not the all loving God & I say "go to hell walk right in i don't feel like stopping you! This was the point!
Are there any official figures dealing with literacy amongst religious groups?
Surely the appeal of religion is greater to someone whom we might tactfully attempt to describe as being less demanding when it comes to the provision of proof, and that absence of faculty might, in some way, explain their failure to smell the scaly tailed rodent before them?
I agree with the man who gave him the Bible. I also think that we should discuss beliefs, not argue them. Arguments leave people bitter. I don't debate things! I discuss them. I believe in Jesus. I will not attack an atheist. I will discuss his beliefs with him and try to get him to see where I'm coming from hopefully have him turn to Christ.
I'm impressed with the civil dialog you espouse here. No reason why people can't have sane dialog about such closely held beliefs, even if they disagree. People should care about and respect each other and their viewpoints, but ultimately seek and share truth.
Oh one more thing just in case u don't want 2 go 2 hell, God is not religion & we the people who know absolutely without a doubt that we are going 2 heaven know it is about having a relationship with jesus i realize u don't understand this. That is because u are not filled with the holy spirit so it is impossible for you. That is why we the heaven bound got born again, adopted by our God u can't even understand that free gift of the bible unless The Spirit leads u i strongly suggest u read it!!
OMG my mom really liked you. I want to cry, i am crying because so many peole are going to hell and so many christians hide in their churches because theyre afraid of the gov and it is not politically correct to tell people they are going to hell. there is a holy war going on terroism is proof of that! these terrorist have more faith than most christians i know I am ashamed of it what they don't get is these church goers are going to hell too! i didn't know you were going to hell i am so sory!
Sorry buddy, but you do not have the power or authority to tell if someone is going to hell. Whenever ppl even imply that someone is going to hell then they are trying to usurp gods authority. You dont have the power, authority, or wisdom of god so stop pretending you do.
Actually Jesus' existance is very true. The bible is not the only piece of literature to point this out. Learn a little more before saying something like that. I am a pastor, we don't "ignore" scripture. There are certain parts that we don't teach that often because it would bore you to death but every bit of it is useful at some point. I am not here to argue, but I will defend Jesus and the Bible. Maybe not some christains but i will defend those who know what the crap they are talking about
@cats5464 "The bible is not the only piece of literature to point this out."
Name one more piece of literature.
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28-29
I can see why that would not be taught. Raping women is so boring.
The bible is the most boring book I have ever attempted to read. It's no wonder that preachers, priests etc. focus on certain parts while ignoring a great deal of the scriptures. A lot of that shit doesn't serve any purpose no matter how much you want to believe it or how hard you try to make sense of it. Himham begat Blizzblazz, and Blizzblazz begat Dorseldurf and so on... What the fuck is that? Why does anybody need to know that shit?
I just watched a new video by ShockofGod ,Dec. 4th,09 that says Penn & Teller put on a show where they mocked Jesus Christ with Teller dressed as Christ with the cross with a midget performing a similated sex act on him.They ridiculed Christ ! This is NOT showing any respect and is different than the way you are portraying yourself to be on here. I would also hand you a bible but I would want you to open it and read it on the spot, clearly you haven't done that yet.
can you imagine the courage it must have took him to place that bible in your hands? man what a great story on both accounts and i appreciate that you didnt regard the rest of us as fools for having faith in somthing
I believe that if more of us (Christians) would honestly tell others of our faith in a kind way, than we could make a difference. I agree that if we believe in God and that there is only one way (through Christ) to have eternal life then we need to be lovingly telling others. This man who reminds us that others need to respect us before we can earn the right to share our faith. I believe in God, Christ, heaven and in hell. Religion is man-made. God is God. We must present the truth in love.
There is plenty of proof that Jesus existed. He said that He was the Son of God who came to this world to die for sins so that we could have eternal life. All He wants is for all to accept what He did on the cross for the forgiveness of sins (we are all guilty of sinning, no matter how large or small the offense) When we ask Him to be our Saviour we are accepted into heaven. He doesn't ask us to give up anything. He changes us from the inside so that eventually we will be more like him.
Not that this is the crux of the argument being presented, but just because there's compelling evidence that Jesus existed doesn't mean that there's compelling evidence that he said what the New Testament claims he said or that if he did (or if others did posthumously in his name), that those claims have merit.
What's the proof? In all due respects, the bible is not proof. It's a book written long ago. If there was a book written long ago of a space alien (not Xenu) who created everything, millions of people would believe it as much as u do the bible. Faith is believing without knowing. U were surrounded by a group of people who convinced u to be a christian and created your faith. But if ur jesus returned to earth today showing no divinity (proof), but only asked for faith alone, u wouldn't believe.
I guess it's like the wind - I can't see Him but I know He is there. I wish I could tell you the God-story that I have from just last week. I have so many that proof is not an issue for me. I guarantee, if you ask Him to show himself to you and you have a real interest in the truth, He will let you know beyond any doubt. I did that a long time ago. He's been pursuing me ever since. I'm typically not someone who falls for things easily - I wanted proof. Read a Bible - it will change your life.
The wind is not a good example. U can't see the wind but you can feel it blowing. I've read the bible. I went to catholic school all my life. Just because ur religion makes u feel good, it doesn't mean it's true. If ur father left u at birth and ur mother remarries when ur 2, then lies 2 u about him being ur real dad, u'll feel happy that u have a dad as opposed to how'd u feel not having 1. Just b/c ur religion fills something in ur life doesn't mean it the absolute truth.
I was raised Catholic myself. Until I took the time to read the Bible and try to understand what God was like, I had the misconception that God was distant, mean, and not interactive in my life. Just think of the prodigal son story - that the son who stayed home was the real subject of the story in that his goodness made him feel deserving. He wasn't denied anything at home but felt like a slave. Sad. Only God could give us a story like this with meaning beyond our thought processes. He luvs u
I have to disagree. Man can and has written meaningful stories like the Prodigal Son. in fact, The Prodigal Son was written by a man. The Bible is a book written by men who claims to be writing gods words. The same god who parted the red sea, turn water into wine, wrote the 10 commandments himself, and could flood the entire earth with 1 thought could manifest his own words into a book without a man doing it for him.
Religion was made to control the masses. If I found a group of lost souls and created a dogma saying, "this is truth, follow my teachings or die." People will follow out of fear. Stalin gained control by using fear. Saddam gained control by using fear. If a rapist hold a gun to a girls head, she will allow herself to be rapped without struggling out of fear. Why does the bible say god gave us free will but if we don't choose to follow we will burn forever. Most wouldn't follow if there's no Hell
You speak of God as if He's not fair. He gave us a way to eternal life. All we have to do is ask. He doesn't ask that you change your ways before you come to Him, He just wants to have a relationship with you. He's not an angry God, He's a kind and loving father that wants what is best for his kids.
If I ask you to be my friend and you choose not to, would it be fair if I lit you on fire? Isn't that what the bible says. Let me ask you. What does ur bible say will happen to me if I don't give into Jesus? Simple yes or no answer please.
You will have to stand before your creator - just like I have to - and give an account of all you have done. That's justice. Don't you want justice for the wrongs that have been done to you? We all are guilty of doing wrong. Jesus chose to make atonement for those wrongs even though we don't deserve it. God can't be near sin - it is His nature. But through Jesus we can come to him. You don't have to, but God offered a way. He would be cruel if He didn't offer a way and just said forget it.
You didn't answer the question. I'm not perfect, however, I don't cheat, steal, kill, rape, nor harm anyone. If I see some drop money, I'll pick it up and give it back to them. But christians believe I'm still going to hell. But if a murder finds jesus in prison, he's going to Heaven? Maybe you didn't answer the question because you didn't like how it sounds. It was "yes" or "no." Am I going to hell?????
Yes, if you don't accept what Jesus did on the cross as atonement for your sins. You say you never cheat, steal, kill, rape or harm - Jesus said if you hate it's the same as murder. He died so that you can be forgiven of past, present and future sins. It's simple and free. Have you ever thrown out a gift without even opening it? He's asking you now. If you refuse he won't force you. He loves you too much to twist your arm and make you do something you don't want to do.
part 1: The truth is no one really knows what's out there if anything. There could be a god or there couldn't be. I don't know the answer, you don't know the answer, no one knows the answer. If there was a god or a supreme being, we know nothing about it. Until he reveals himself to all of us like we can see each other, then we know. the bible is far from proof. An act of pure luck saving you from tragedy is not proof, it's luck. Or else everyone deserve such divine intervention......
Why should we deserve anything? That's like a clay pot saying I want to be a piece of fine china. We were created to worship God. If we don't want to, that's fine - He doesn't want robots, he wants loving servants. I just want to be a loving servant because He created me and gave me a world to live in which would have been perfect if we didn't mess up and sin. He gives us all of the answers in the Bible. It answers all of my questions.
part 2: If there is a supreme being, the universe is so big it's possible we're just ants in an ant farm. Just like atheist can't say they know there's no God, you can't say you know there is one and you know what he wants. I don't believe god has his hand on anything on earth. If he exist, then there is a large possibility he just leaves us alone. But then again I don't "know" that and neither do you. Bottom line, no one knows.
It all had to start somewhere. There's a movie out there with Ben Stein as commentator - it's called Expelled. If you're interested, you may want to check it out. I just know that I know because of the changed lives, healings that can't be explained, and Jesus raised from the dead. If it weren't true the story would have died. Why would 11 guys (his apostles) be put through torture, jail, and tragic deaths for someone who was a lunatic and claimed to be the Son of God. He told them eternal truth
Santa Claus and robin hood are false stories that have lived on.
"Why would 11 guys (his apostles) be put through torture"
Maybe they thought the lie was better than the truth. Maybe they didn't know it was a lie. Maybe they were insane. There are thousands of possibilities.
You know, you say G-d bless after a nasty, abusive, self-rigteous statement. It's people like you that Penn and other non-Christians have a problem with, You don't come from a place of love as Jesus teaches you to, but rather from a place of wanting to believe that you're better than everyone else. You enjoy the idea that others who don't do what you do are going to hell
I agree fully with Penn, as a non Christian myself (I'm Jewish) that proselytizing from a place of love is not offensive
Whoo, this is one slippery slope. The same thinking that says "my belief in Jesus's teachings is so pure and right, it's my mission to ensure others know them too despite their objections" could also apply to those who believe Mohammad says all infidels must die. Or those who believe abortion clinics should be bombed because the Bible says so. Or those who believe Jews are an inferior race and should be exterminated. Etc, etc. My way is the right way is dangerous thinking, no matter who says it.
Bad people need religion. Good people don't. Deperate people need desperate things. A religious persons can commit crime just as a non-believer. Religion and a belief proves nothing. God kills too, so what does that say? Penn is slowly going off his rocker.
I hope you have a chance to read the Psalms in the book that the man gave you. I hope God touches your heart in a way that you could be sure like I am. It would be cool to have you dancing around with us in heaven. It's real, and God is obviously after you if He sent someone to reach you. I hope to see you in heaven, brother!
So they are without excuse.For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Why don't you all just watch flatland and maybe then you will realize a little more about why we cannot understand or fully comprehend God. It also shows a little why people don't believe in God. While it wasn't created by Christians it is very thought provoking.
If you would notice I said a little of why and not completely. There are many reasons why people don't believe and I am open to listening to anyone's reason. I was merely stating that the movie Flatland does show one of the reasons but is not exclusive in the plethora of reasons why someone does not believe in God.
I am sorry for the misconception of the conclusiveness. It was not meant to be read that way. Once again the problem with text based conversation. It was not meant to be a conclusive statement.
you "KNOW" there is no God. You know it's awkward how all these atheists point out that Christians apparently can't prove that God does exist, yet at the same time, they in turn can't prove that he doesn't.
A skeptic asks for proof before he accepts things. whether its god or a new medicine. If someone makes a claim its there duty to prove it, not someone else's duty to disprove it. Have you ever heard of the flying spaghetti monster? Would you believe there was a flying spaghetti monster just because you cant disprove it? or would you ask for evidence first?
You would make a GREAT Christian! Did you read that book? Psalms = Old Testiment by the way... I just want to know why people who have never read it can chalk it up to being fiction... Maybe you can help me with it...
To read a book and to "study" select parts are two different things. If you want to study it, at least give it one read, beginning to end, without bias.
How could you know what moby dick is about, unless you read it from the beginning to the end? Select passages could make you believe it is about Ishmaels love of a wonderful whale. Think about it.
To the two people discussing this in posts here, first let me start by saying I am not a religious person by any means. I do not KNOW that there is God or if there is not. That is why it is called FAITH... these people have FAITH that what they believe is true. Of course they don't know with scientific certainty. This man that Penn is talking about is a perfect example of how people should spread their faith. Don't be rude or judgmental. it casts a bad light on your message!
Ok... first both of you should just exchange aim accounts if you are just going to pepper Penn's wall about this stuff. While it can be intriguing to read or utterly boring it should be said that Penn was just saying how he was impressed with this guy and that the guy was a really good man. Secondly, since we are on the subject... the two of you should look up the laws of thermodynamics and then try to explain the universe and where it came from. Had to come from somewhere.
i wonder if he'd feel the same way about a caring person trying to tell him that 9/11 was an inside job, which it clearly was. the implications of this truth are of a similar order to 'going to hell'.
It's sort of a bummer to me that such a nice message has generated such a hostile debate. If you believe, let people know about it politely and warmly. If they think you're wrong, don't do an about face and start demanding they explain themselves for God's sake!
It seems to me that it's enough that they know we're here for them if they should need us, and teach by example more than nagging, or ostracizing someone who doesn't believe as we do.
^ being said, i do agree with most of what penn said in this video... there is a diffrence between handing someone a bible with a smile and trying to force your religion upon others...
I really appreciate Penns respect for a man that he disagrees with. Penn seems like a good person. I breaks my heart to know that he hasnt been saved. I would be a basket case if I believed that there wasnt life after death. How can you look your children and loved ones in the eye and not believe in the miracles of God? If you are afraid or searching for something to fill the void in your life, Jesus is the answer!!!! Make the effort, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
Natural Law demands that we believe that everything came from something. Not just some random thing, but something bigger - something beyond our understanding now. It demands that. If anyone denies that, they aren't living in reality, they're living someplace else - probably living in fear.
I know I replied to you - but i can't find the reply...
the two hurdles atheists cannot make it over:
1) it is in our nature to have an object of our worship. IOW: we all idolize something (God, our mind, rationality, science, whatever). thus atheism is a misnomer, everyone has a theos of some sort.
2) When mankind didn't know that planets existed or that there were other galaxies, they did not for that reason cease to exist. Our lack of understanding does not make anything vanish.
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a higher power. Some are considered strong atheists and "know" there is no god(s) and don't believe in anything supernatural.
"Our lack of understanding does not make anything vanish. "
You're right. But you think something exists without any evidence. There could be an alien space ship that exists on the opposite side of the moon. But until something changes, why would I postulate that?
The presupposition: evidence is the affirmation of truth. Where there is no evidence there is either no truth, or it is unwise to believe in it.
But that's the thing, see. Who ever said that evidence is necessary in order for something to likely exist? I mean, evidence is not necessary to affirm what is. Evidence only alludes to either what could be or to make more obvious necessarily is. But LACK of evidence does not exclude, as we can only gather evidence through the limits of our senses
"But LACK of evidence does not exclude, as we can only gather evidence through the limits of our senses"
I agree. Just because there is currently no evidence of X that does not mean X does not exist. But until that evidence is discovered why would I make the claim that X exists, no matter what X is? Without evidence, its just an assertion. Your assertion of god is no different that someone's assertion of aliens, big foot, fairies, ghosts, or underwear gnomes.
True, but what if by not believing in X because of the lack of evidence toward its existence costs you a great deal more than simply believing that X is real? I mean, suppose you were told by a neighbor, while on vacation, "your house is on fire". Will you say to the person who told you, "give me proof or I won't believe that there's a fire and go and put it out," or will you, in spite the lack of evidence you have before you, take what you are told seriously, go home, and put out the fire?
But there's also a point of probability or at the very least reasonability. If someone told you a suicide bomber blew up your house, would you react the same way if someone told you your house was on fire? No, of course not, even though suicide bombers exist and periodically the news reports about suicide bombers, the likelihood that one destroyed your house is extremely small.
Well, considering probability, it is more likely that there is a 'god' than not. Even science will not deny that (it just hopes that it's lesser probability is the truth and not the lie).
Now compare that to god. A being(s) that there is no proof of whose very understanding differs with each person who also happens to control a bunch of things, soul, afterlife, etc, that also have no proof. What's more reasonable? That we're simply another species or that we are a product of divine intervention.
To believe that some guy could die to save the whole world from sin - if that were reasonable within our ability to reason - everyone would believe it. Now just because many reject it does not mean majority rule. If it were in fact the truth, as unreasonable as it is, and the whole world rejected it, it would not cease from being the truth. We do not define truth, we can do no more than believe it or deny it. Science does not define truth - it can only observe and make speculation.
haha he said that guy was a good man. atheists arent allowed to use the words good and evil. think about it. if you use the word good or evil then that means that theres a heaven and hell.
I believe that atheists are allowed to use the words good and evil. What standard have you used to conclude that atheists are not allowed to use the words good and evil? Your "logic" implies that if you do not use the words good or evil then there is neither heaven nor hell. One thing that Penn liked about the guy is that he was sane.
Someone Created all this matter in the Universe you would have to be a total idiot to think otherwise. Just because a few atheists are pissed off (mainly at Christians). Doesn't mean that matter came from nowhere. Thats like getting caught with a pound of weed and saying to cop " This weed came from nowhere". Everything came from somewhere at least you stupid ass atheist should be able to logically say that. You dont have to believe in god to believe that all this matter came from somewhere.
So apparently the Atheist doesn't believe that all this matter came from nowhere a lot of 'atheists ' are no atheists at all . They're actually Deists.If you can admit that matter came from somewhere then why is it completely illogical to say it came from somewhere...doesnt mean its someone or something...but from somewhere.
So enlighten me where does atheists believe the universe came from. And if your going to say the big bang then you are no better than the religious freaks you hate so bad because that in itself is a theory just like religion.
A theory in science is not the same as a theory in every day speak. A theory in laymans correlates more to a hypothesis in science. A theory is the highest level an idea can acheive. Theories are used as building blocks to other scientific discoveries. For example, gravity is a theory. Do you question gravity?
wen r ppl gonna realize that god created faith&men created religion god did't say u have to believe in this religion god asked us to have faith in him so 4 ppl that blame god for every bad thing that happened to them ur being ignorant&stupid cuz god doesnt poke a finger around in ur life hes giving u the freedom of choice & the bad things you do r the results of the bad choices you make if someone dies of a disease god gets blamed for it Pollution doesnt caus cancer birth defects & etc god does
bowandarrowsparkles: We had xtians post that same, tired quote on the side of a bus as an attack against a group of atheists and free-thinkers who posted a non-threatening bus ad which said "Don't believe in God? You're not alone." To which I respond:
If one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool.
-Carl Jung
Christians go around quoting The Bible as much as Atheists go around quoting Richard Dawkins...
As a former atheist, I have always respected Penn's approach to this subject. As a pastor, I know first-hand that there are far more of the sort of Christian he describes in this video than he imagines.
I saw the video where Penn ste the record straight that he has not converted. And he said this video was about proslitizing. But I thouth it was about how not all God believers are bad people. So can someone set the record staight for me?
We all have fallen short through unbelief. Thats why we have to ask the Lord Jesus to forgive us of our sin. Jesus came , died, rose again for Penn, if you were the only person in the world, He still would have left His throne in glory to come for your sacrificial lamb.
If there isn't a God, that man would have never given you the Bible and you wouldn't have been holding back those tears. Jesus loves you Penn and He is wants you to feel that. He is real and He is coming to get each of us to live with Him in eternity, but can't come unless you believe and confess that you know Jesus is Lord, and ask Him to forgive all your imperfections (sins). Come to Jesus while you still have the opportunity, once we leave this world, we don't get another chance.
Kudos to Penn for being intelligent and fair. Those who preach a message of tolerance are generally the most intolerant type of people you will encounter. I consider myself a Christian not just because I chose to follow Christ but also that I have made a decision to live my life without an agenda as He did. Until I saw this video I didn't realize that a staunch athiest could so motivate me to share my faith more often, but that is just what happened. I'm extremely thankful to have found this
There are a lot of people just like that. Not every Christian is a wack job, in fact many are not. It's the curse of the "loudest gear gets the oil" issue.
I've watched you and heard you talk, but I don't know how an educated man like yourself can say there is NO God. That's like saying you know everything there is to know in the universe. Just keep it at you "believe" there is no God. Because to believe in nothing still allows you one day to believe in something---which I hope will be God.
Another self-contradiction. Here in this video, you talk about how this was a good man, but in another video, you say that people are either athiest or scary and need to stay away from you (the one about God asking Abraham to kill his son or whatever).
Also, apparenlty it's ok for you to dictate how someone else practices their religion, and it's ok, even "mandatory" that they try to convert you, but when someone says a prayer at an award ceremony, you make a video to complain about it.
Well, given the choice between a drunk-driving, religiously-fuelled anti-semite like Mel Gibson and a guy who'd just kind of a dick like Penn, I'll take Penn any day of the week.
i never thought of it this way as a comfirmed exchristian i can't handle my evangelical sister's evangelizing, i guess its because i now know all religion, is delusional, and i actually explained to her that all christians, muslims etc are going to each others hell. She didn't understand, i tried to explain but as a christian she will be in muslim's hell, as muslims in her mind will be in the christian's hell. She didn't realize the delusion of how each religion preaches ignorance to each other.
Evolution is the scientific version of the story of our existence, The Bible is the colorful version. One mirrors the other. If there is a God, and he is as all forgiving as everyone believes, then on the final day he is going to fling open the pearly gates and say, "Everyone welcome." Jesus spoke in parables [riddles] of which all were no more definitive than a fortune cookie. Agree to disagree and move on with your lives. Make a difference. Hug someone.
It is interesting to see this rambling nonsense rhetoric commenting on a video like this one. Penn doesn't believe in God for any host of reasons, but the actions of one guy obviously effected him. Unfortunately this back and forth bickering that Christians spend so much effort with has the exact opposite effect.
This was shown in my church and his point cannot be refuted because it's true. If a man is drowning it takes a sick minded person not to attempt to save him if possible.
The point has nothing to do with the proof of God. The point was issued to both Atheists and Christians. Although Christians belief has a little more urgency because of the perceived impending doom. Atheist believe that death is the end therefore there is no urgency. If doom is really believed will come on someone it is irresponsible to not act.
"The point has nothing to do with the proof of God."
Actually it does because you believe Penn, or any atheist for that matter needs saved to your beliefs. A drowning man is going die. That's not up for debate. But this whole system you believe in is. Equating the two is repugnant. Also what you don't realize is that you may very well may be "doomed". I hope a muslim tries to save your drowning soul.
thank you for agreeing if a man is drowning one should act. The proof of God was not presented for debate here. it was not even his point. What the question is if a man perceives impending doom on someone else it is morally irresponsible for him not to act? Whether his belief is irrational in your view or not. If he really believes he should act as if so. This even follows the tenets of the Bible.
Penn, I am a fellow "magician" who LOVES your work. I am also a Born Again Christian who believes 100% that there is a God who loves us and will give us eternal life. I really appreciate your telling of this story. First the respectful manner that you tell it, many athiests would relay a story like this with more contempt and b) the truth of the content! Here is an Athiest relaying a simple TRUTH Christians don't tell one another. If you REALLY BELIEVE it's truly life and death SAY SO!
@goxjr41 hes gonna take your word for it. much like he takes the word of a 2000 year old book that was written by sub mental goat herders. The exact reason christians and other religious buffoons cant grasp reality. "Im gonna take your word for it" that should be all religions news slogan.
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50belowhotdog 2 years ago
Santa Claus died for your sins.
asubjectiveopinion 2 years ago
there is a God it's not you! The God haters are trying really hard to iliminate God a futile endevor. You may as well stop the wind from blowing! I'm not being a very good christian by saying this but there is a hell even if you don't believe most sincerely, you'd be sincerely wrong! unfortunately most of you will walk right into hell God doesn't want you to chose hell. I however am not the all loving God & I say "go to hell walk right in i don't feel like stopping you! This was the point!
snowball1776 2 years ago
Are there any official figures dealing with literacy amongst religious groups?
Surely the appeal of religion is greater to someone whom we might tactfully attempt to describe as being less demanding when it comes to the provision of proof, and that absence of faculty might, in some way, explain their failure to smell the scaly tailed rodent before them?
Just a thought...
asubjectiveopinion 2 years ago
I agree with the man who gave him the Bible. I also think that we should discuss beliefs, not argue them. Arguments leave people bitter. I don't debate things! I discuss them. I believe in Jesus. I will not attack an atheist. I will discuss his beliefs with him and try to get him to see where I'm coming from hopefully have him turn to Christ.
tsnm8888 2 years ago
I'm impressed with the civil dialog you espouse here. No reason why people can't have sane dialog about such closely held beliefs, even if they disagree. People should care about and respect each other and their viewpoints, but ultimately seek and share truth.
purnelljd 2 years ago
If I were him, I'd shave my head right before I die just to deny Satan the pleasure of burning it off in the fires of hell.
spighk 2 years ago
cut your goddamn hair
blazindubz 2 years ago
"A good man gave me a book. That's all I wanted to say."
Penn, you're slipping, no?
qloey 2 years ago
Well I believe that very long life might be possible if you sign up to get your head frozen when you die. Am I a jackass for not telling folks that?
You can sour people on your beliefs if you don't communicate them well the first time.
gairabad 2 years ago
Oh one more thing just in case u don't want 2 go 2 hell, God is not religion & we the people who know absolutely without a doubt that we are going 2 heaven know it is about having a relationship with jesus i realize u don't understand this. That is because u are not filled with the holy spirit so it is impossible for you. That is why we the heaven bound got born again, adopted by our God u can't even understand that free gift of the bible unless The Spirit leads u i strongly suggest u read it!!
snowball1776 2 years ago
OMG my mom really liked you. I want to cry, i am crying because so many peole are going to hell and so many christians hide in their churches because theyre afraid of the gov and it is not politically correct to tell people they are going to hell. there is a holy war going on terroism is proof of that! these terrorist have more faith than most christians i know I am ashamed of it what they don't get is these church goers are going to hell too! i didn't know you were going to hell i am so sory!
snowball1776 2 years ago
So you advocate Christians strapping explosives to themselves and setting them off in public places eh?
Wouldn't want those dirty Arabs one upping us am i right?
BTCforlife 2 years ago
Sorry buddy, but you do not have the power or authority to tell if someone is going to hell. Whenever ppl even imply that someone is going to hell then they are trying to usurp gods authority. You dont have the power, authority, or wisdom of god so stop pretending you do.
fieldman07 2 years ago
you look like mickey rourkes fat and gay brother. change the camera angle and stop playing with your fucking hair.
crazysean1218 2 years ago
Actually Jesus' existance is very true. The bible is not the only piece of literature to point this out. Learn a little more before saying something like that. I am a pastor, we don't "ignore" scripture. There are certain parts that we don't teach that often because it would bore you to death but every bit of it is useful at some point. I am not here to argue, but I will defend Jesus and the Bible. Maybe not some christains but i will defend those who know what the crap they are talking about
cats5464 2 years ago
@cats5464 "The bible is not the only piece of literature to point this out."
Name one more piece of literature.
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28-29
I can see why that would not be taught. Raping women is so boring.
thirdLeg 2 years ago 2
Penn has the BEST Jesus hair ever XD !
AlucardsQueenAyeka 2 years ago
The bible is the most boring book I have ever attempted to read. It's no wonder that preachers, priests etc. focus on certain parts while ignoring a great deal of the scriptures. A lot of that shit doesn't serve any purpose no matter how much you want to believe it or how hard you try to make sense of it. Himham begat Blizzblazz, and Blizzblazz begat Dorseldurf and so on... What the fuck is that? Why does anybody need to know that shit?
spighk 2 years ago
This is very refreshing.
FloweringJudasMusic 2 years ago
God this guy is one ugly atheist.
kmcl11 2 years ago
"Why would 11 guys (his apostles) be put through torture"
The best explanation is that like Jesus himself, the apostles never existed.
spighk 2 years ago
I think you'll have to do better than that. Me thinks you just want an excuse.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
No one denies Jesus's existence. It was his origins and credentials that everyone argues over. You, sir, are historically incorrect.
HMachProductions 2 years ago
Actually Jesus' existence is very much debatable. There is 0 extra biblical evidence of Jesus.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
It's truly amazing that there are still people who believe in gods in the 21st century.
spighk 2 years ago 2
why do we believe in him?? Because he is real! and you are wrong 100% Isaiah 55:6 Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.
kindom2010 2 years ago
My cat is called The Lord.
The Lord is rather fond of sardines, they make his coat very shiny.
He has a great dislike of my next door neighbour's geese, do you think it is an ecumenical matter?
I'd hate to think I had been somehow responsible for some kind of anserine schism.
asubjectiveopinion 2 years ago
'My cat is called The Lord.'
OMG!
you own CEILING CAT!
naard 2 years ago
I'm just a geeky Douglas Adams fan.
:)
asubjectiveopinion 2 years ago
@asubjectiveopinion Ha! Anserine! "2.
resembling a goose; gooselike. " Very nice.
pennsays 1 year ago
"There's a certain point where I tackle you." Hahaha
runawaymotor 2 years ago
LOL did you say you "know there is no god"? well whats your proof he doesn't?
IpwnUa11 2 years ago
No one knows if he does or doesn't. Not until he reveals himself to all of us. And I mean REVEAL not clues.
mcluna2 2 years ago
I just watched a new video by ShockofGod ,Dec. 4th,09 that says Penn & Teller put on a show where they mocked Jesus Christ with Teller dressed as Christ with the cross with a midget performing a similated sex act on him.They ridiculed Christ ! This is NOT showing any respect and is different than the way you are portraying yourself to be on here. I would also hand you a bible but I would want you to open it and read it on the spot, clearly you haven't done that yet.
heyjenknee 2 years ago
That incident happened 6 years ago.
animevet 2 years ago
can you imagine the courage it must have took him to place that bible in your hands? man what a great story on both accounts and i appreciate that you didnt regard the rest of us as fools for having faith in somthing
rokee1979 2 years ago
I believe that if more of us (Christians) would honestly tell others of our faith in a kind way, than we could make a difference. I agree that if we believe in God and that there is only one way (through Christ) to have eternal life then we need to be lovingly telling others. This man who reminds us that others need to respect us before we can earn the right to share our faith. I believe in God, Christ, heaven and in hell. Religion is man-made. God is God. We must present the truth in love.
wibbleway 2 years ago
There is plenty of proof that Jesus existed. He said that He was the Son of God who came to this world to die for sins so that we could have eternal life. All He wants is for all to accept what He did on the cross for the forgiveness of sins (we are all guilty of sinning, no matter how large or small the offense) When we ask Him to be our Saviour we are accepted into heaven. He doesn't ask us to give up anything. He changes us from the inside so that eventually we will be more like him.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
Not that this is the crux of the argument being presented, but just because there's compelling evidence that Jesus existed doesn't mean that there's compelling evidence that he said what the New Testament claims he said or that if he did (or if others did posthumously in his name), that those claims have merit.
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
"There is plenty of proof that Jesus existed."
There is ZERO proof that Jesus existed.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
What's the proof? In all due respects, the bible is not proof. It's a book written long ago. If there was a book written long ago of a space alien (not Xenu) who created everything, millions of people would believe it as much as u do the bible. Faith is believing without knowing. U were surrounded by a group of people who convinced u to be a christian and created your faith. But if ur jesus returned to earth today showing no divinity (proof), but only asked for faith alone, u wouldn't believe.
mcluna2 2 years ago
I guess it's like the wind - I can't see Him but I know He is there. I wish I could tell you the God-story that I have from just last week. I have so many that proof is not an issue for me. I guarantee, if you ask Him to show himself to you and you have a real interest in the truth, He will let you know beyond any doubt. I did that a long time ago. He's been pursuing me ever since. I'm typically not someone who falls for things easily - I wanted proof. Read a Bible - it will change your life.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
The wind is not a good example. U can't see the wind but you can feel it blowing. I've read the bible. I went to catholic school all my life. Just because ur religion makes u feel good, it doesn't mean it's true. If ur father left u at birth and ur mother remarries when ur 2, then lies 2 u about him being ur real dad, u'll feel happy that u have a dad as opposed to how'd u feel not having 1. Just b/c ur religion fills something in ur life doesn't mean it the absolute truth.
mcluna2 2 years ago
I was raised Catholic myself. Until I took the time to read the Bible and try to understand what God was like, I had the misconception that God was distant, mean, and not interactive in my life. Just think of the prodigal son story - that the son who stayed home was the real subject of the story in that his goodness made him feel deserving. He wasn't denied anything at home but felt like a slave. Sad. Only God could give us a story like this with meaning beyond our thought processes. He luvs u
ireneabbott 2 years ago
I have to disagree. Man can and has written meaningful stories like the Prodigal Son. in fact, The Prodigal Son was written by a man. The Bible is a book written by men who claims to be writing gods words. The same god who parted the red sea, turn water into wine, wrote the 10 commandments himself, and could flood the entire earth with 1 thought could manifest his own words into a book without a man doing it for him.
mcluna2 2 years ago
Religion was made to control the masses. If I found a group of lost souls and created a dogma saying, "this is truth, follow my teachings or die." People will follow out of fear. Stalin gained control by using fear. Saddam gained control by using fear. If a rapist hold a gun to a girls head, she will allow herself to be rapped without struggling out of fear. Why does the bible say god gave us free will but if we don't choose to follow we will burn forever. Most wouldn't follow if there's no Hell
mcluna2 2 years ago
You speak of God as if He's not fair. He gave us a way to eternal life. All we have to do is ask. He doesn't ask that you change your ways before you come to Him, He just wants to have a relationship with you. He's not an angry God, He's a kind and loving father that wants what is best for his kids.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
If I ask you to be my friend and you choose not to, would it be fair if I lit you on fire? Isn't that what the bible says. Let me ask you. What does ur bible say will happen to me if I don't give into Jesus? Simple yes or no answer please.
mcluna2 2 years ago
You will have to stand before your creator - just like I have to - and give an account of all you have done. That's justice. Don't you want justice for the wrongs that have been done to you? We all are guilty of doing wrong. Jesus chose to make atonement for those wrongs even though we don't deserve it. God can't be near sin - it is His nature. But through Jesus we can come to him. You don't have to, but God offered a way. He would be cruel if He didn't offer a way and just said forget it.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
You didn't answer the question. I'm not perfect, however, I don't cheat, steal, kill, rape, nor harm anyone. If I see some drop money, I'll pick it up and give it back to them. But christians believe I'm still going to hell. But if a murder finds jesus in prison, he's going to Heaven? Maybe you didn't answer the question because you didn't like how it sounds. It was "yes" or "no." Am I going to hell?????
mcluna2 2 years ago
Yes, if you don't accept what Jesus did on the cross as atonement for your sins. You say you never cheat, steal, kill, rape or harm - Jesus said if you hate it's the same as murder. He died so that you can be forgiven of past, present and future sins. It's simple and free. Have you ever thrown out a gift without even opening it? He's asking you now. If you refuse he won't force you. He loves you too much to twist your arm and make you do something you don't want to do.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
part 1: The truth is no one really knows what's out there if anything. There could be a god or there couldn't be. I don't know the answer, you don't know the answer, no one knows the answer. If there was a god or a supreme being, we know nothing about it. Until he reveals himself to all of us like we can see each other, then we know. the bible is far from proof. An act of pure luck saving you from tragedy is not proof, it's luck. Or else everyone deserve such divine intervention......
mcluna2 2 years ago
Why should we deserve anything? That's like a clay pot saying I want to be a piece of fine china. We were created to worship God. If we don't want to, that's fine - He doesn't want robots, he wants loving servants. I just want to be a loving servant because He created me and gave me a world to live in which would have been perfect if we didn't mess up and sin. He gives us all of the answers in the Bible. It answers all of my questions.
ireneabbott 2 years ago
part 2: If there is a supreme being, the universe is so big it's possible we're just ants in an ant farm. Just like atheist can't say they know there's no God, you can't say you know there is one and you know what he wants. I don't believe god has his hand on anything on earth. If he exist, then there is a large possibility he just leaves us alone. But then again I don't "know" that and neither do you. Bottom line, no one knows.
mcluna2 2 years ago
It all had to start somewhere. There's a movie out there with Ben Stein as commentator - it's called Expelled. If you're interested, you may want to check it out. I just know that I know because of the changed lives, healings that can't be explained, and Jesus raised from the dead. If it weren't true the story would have died. Why would 11 guys (his apostles) be put through torture, jail, and tragic deaths for someone who was a lunatic and claimed to be the Son of God. He told them eternal truth
ireneabbott 2 years ago
@ ireneabbott
That's so true.
Oh, and Penn. Just cause you don't believe it doesn't make it not real. Even if I didn't believe it, it would still be real.
Jurassicprince 2 years ago
"If it weren't true the story would have died."
Santa Claus and robin hood are false stories that have lived on.
"Why would 11 guys (his apostles) be put through torture"
Maybe they thought the lie was better than the truth. Maybe they didn't know it was a lie. Maybe they were insane. There are thousands of possibilities.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
i dont knwo why anyone would want the autograph of a big fat man who spends his life in darkness. GOD BLESS!!
joeschmud 2 years ago
You know, you say G-d bless after a nasty, abusive, self-rigteous statement. It's people like you that Penn and other non-Christians have a problem with, You don't come from a place of love as Jesus teaches you to, but rather from a place of wanting to believe that you're better than everyone else. You enjoy the idea that others who don't do what you do are going to hell
I agree fully with Penn, as a non Christian myself (I'm Jewish) that proselytizing from a place of love is not offensive
ivmeer1976 2 years ago 2
This is a good story and makes a lot of good points. Well done.
dafrca 2 years ago
Thanks, Penn... very nice. :)
ehcmier 2 years ago
Whoo, this is one slippery slope. The same thinking that says "my belief in Jesus's teachings is so pure and right, it's my mission to ensure others know them too despite their objections" could also apply to those who believe Mohammad says all infidels must die. Or those who believe abortion clinics should be bombed because the Bible says so. Or those who believe Jews are an inferior race and should be exterminated. Etc, etc. My way is the right way is dangerous thinking, no matter who says it.
forrester714 2 years ago
You know, your thinking sounds right! I like it!
ehcmier 2 years ago
Thank you so much for sharing! As a missionary-in-training, it's interesting to get feedback like this. So here's your feedback-back!
Tristaths 2 years ago 2
Bad people need religion. Good people don't. Deperate people need desperate things. A religious persons can commit crime just as a non-believer. Religion and a belief proves nothing. God kills too, so what does that say? Penn is slowly going off his rocker.
MyFartsRock 2 years ago
I hope you have a chance to read the Psalms in the book that the man gave you. I hope God touches your heart in a way that you could be sure like I am. It would be cool to have you dancing around with us in heaven. It's real, and God is obviously after you if He sent someone to reach you. I hope to see you in heaven, brother!
ireneabbott 2 years ago
You come from a place of love and have my respect if not my agreement.
ivmeer1976 2 years ago
So they are without excuse.For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened
apruitt2008 2 years ago 3
Romans 1:18-21
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
apruitt2008 2 years ago
damnnn, good vids!
great show
MickeyLWalker 2 years ago
Isaiah 13:16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be plundered,
and their wives ravished.
MindAndMarzipan 2 years ago
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rich0319726 2 years ago
you are horribly confused.
JessKayTH 2 years ago
Why don't you all just watch flatland and maybe then you will realize a little more about why we cannot understand or fully comprehend God. It also shows a little why people don't believe in God. While it wasn't created by Christians it is very thought provoking.
Spectrohost 2 years ago
I get supreme amusement from theists who claim to have a lock on why people don't believe in God.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
If you would notice I said a little of why and not completely. There are many reasons why people don't believe and I am open to listening to anyone's reason. I was merely stating that the movie Flatland does show one of the reasons but is not exclusive in the plethora of reasons why someone does not believe in God.
Spectrohost 2 years ago
I re-read your post and it doesn't induce me to change my statement. You statement sounds conclusive, not open-ended.
uglyengineer 2 years ago
I am sorry for the misconception of the conclusiveness. It was not meant to be read that way. Once again the problem with text based conversation. It was not meant to be a conclusive statement.
Spectrohost 2 years ago
you "KNOW" there is no God. You know it's awkward how all these atheists point out that Christians apparently can't prove that God does exist, yet at the same time, they in turn can't prove that he doesn't.
Tenorsarefun 2 years ago 2
A skeptic asks for proof before he accepts things. whether its god or a new medicine. If someone makes a claim its there duty to prove it, not someone else's duty to disprove it. Have you ever heard of the flying spaghetti monster? Would you believe there was a flying spaghetti monster just because you cant disprove it? or would you ask for evidence first?
TheWhiteRabbit1990 2 years ago
You would make a GREAT Christian! Did you read that book? Psalms = Old Testiment by the way... I just want to know why people who have never read it can chalk it up to being fiction... Maybe you can help me with it...
tetetakneea 2 years ago
We have read it. Have you read it all the way through?
MindAndMarzipan 2 years ago
Sure have! Study it daily...
tetetakneea 2 years ago
To read a book and to "study" select parts are two different things. If you want to study it, at least give it one read, beginning to end, without bias.
How could you know what moby dick is about, unless you read it from the beginning to the end? Select passages could make you believe it is about Ishmaels love of a wonderful whale. Think about it.
MindAndMarzipan 2 years ago
To the two people discussing this in posts here, first let me start by saying I am not a religious person by any means. I do not KNOW that there is God or if there is not. That is why it is called FAITH... these people have FAITH that what they believe is true. Of course they don't know with scientific certainty. This man that Penn is talking about is a perfect example of how people should spread their faith. Don't be rude or judgmental. it casts a bad light on your message!
cindiloowhooo 2 years ago
Ok... first both of you should just exchange aim accounts if you are just going to pepper Penn's wall about this stuff. While it can be intriguing to read or utterly boring it should be said that Penn was just saying how he was impressed with this guy and that the guy was a really good man. Secondly, since we are on the subject... the two of you should look up the laws of thermodynamics and then try to explain the universe and where it came from. Had to come from somewhere.
Spectrohost 2 years ago
i wonder if he'd feel the same way about a caring person trying to tell him that 9/11 was an inside job, which it clearly was. the implications of this truth are of a similar order to 'going to hell'.
except it's true.
honeydog1948 2 years ago
It's sort of a bummer to me that such a nice message has generated such a hostile debate. If you believe, let people know about it politely and warmly. If they think you're wrong, don't do an about face and start demanding they explain themselves for God's sake!
It seems to me that it's enough that they know we're here for them if they should need us, and teach by example more than nagging, or ostracizing someone who doesn't believe as we do.
RabiesBunny 2 years ago 3
I don't think there is anything wrong with people believing in some greater then themselves even if that thing is a God.
Marlin913 2 years ago
Discussion on religion is pointless.
seriously it makes me want to /facedesk
You will get farther watching grass grow...
^ being said, i do agree with most of what penn said in this video... there is a diffrence between handing someone a bible with a smile and trying to force your religion upon others...
abaconator2662 2 years ago
I really appreciate Penns respect for a man that he disagrees with. Penn seems like a good person. I breaks my heart to know that he hasnt been saved. I would be a basket case if I believed that there wasnt life after death. How can you look your children and loved ones in the eye and not believe in the miracles of God? If you are afraid or searching for something to fill the void in your life, Jesus is the answer!!!! Make the effort, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
chas425 2 years ago
"Penn seems like a good person."
Then he IS a good person.
"If you are afraid or searching for something to fill the void in your life."
Atheists are not searching for something to fill the void, nor any more afraid of anything than the next person.
"Jesus is the answer!!!!"
And Yahweh, Allah, Buddha, and the rest are not the answer? Why?
"Make the effort, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose."
These things cannot be gained elsewhere? Why?
PaxTorumin 2 years ago 2
"you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. "
What if you pick the wrong faith, let alone the wrong god? You can believe and still be damned.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
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chas425 2 years ago
Natural Law demands that we believe that everything came from something. Not just some random thing, but something bigger - something beyond our understanding now. It demands that. If anyone denies that, they aren't living in reality, they're living someplace else - probably living in fear.
petrakid 2 years ago
"Natural Law demands that we believe that everything came from something."
Then where did god(s) come from?
thirdLeg 2 years ago
I know I replied to you - but i can't find the reply...
the two hurdles atheists cannot make it over:
1) it is in our nature to have an object of our worship. IOW: we all idolize something (God, our mind, rationality, science, whatever). thus atheism is a misnomer, everyone has a theos of some sort.
2) When mankind didn't know that planets existed or that there were other galaxies, they did not for that reason cease to exist. Our lack of understanding does not make anything vanish.
petrakid 2 years ago
"thus atheism is a misnomer"
Atheism simply means a lack of belief in a higher power. Some are considered strong atheists and "know" there is no god(s) and don't believe in anything supernatural.
"Our lack of understanding does not make anything vanish. "
You're right. But you think something exists without any evidence. There could be an alien space ship that exists on the opposite side of the moon. But until something changes, why would I postulate that?
thirdLeg 2 years ago
The presupposition: evidence is the affirmation of truth. Where there is no evidence there is either no truth, or it is unwise to believe in it.
But that's the thing, see. Who ever said that evidence is necessary in order for something to likely exist? I mean, evidence is not necessary to affirm what is. Evidence only alludes to either what could be or to make more obvious necessarily is. But LACK of evidence does not exclude, as we can only gather evidence through the limits of our senses
petrakid 2 years ago
"But LACK of evidence does not exclude, as we can only gather evidence through the limits of our senses"
I agree. Just because there is currently no evidence of X that does not mean X does not exist. But until that evidence is discovered why would I make the claim that X exists, no matter what X is? Without evidence, its just an assertion. Your assertion of god is no different that someone's assertion of aliens, big foot, fairies, ghosts, or underwear gnomes.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
True, but what if by not believing in X because of the lack of evidence toward its existence costs you a great deal more than simply believing that X is real? I mean, suppose you were told by a neighbor, while on vacation, "your house is on fire". Will you say to the person who told you, "give me proof or I won't believe that there's a fire and go and put it out," or will you, in spite the lack of evidence you have before you, take what you are told seriously, go home, and put out the fire?
petrakid 2 years ago
But there's also a point of probability or at the very least reasonability. If someone told you a suicide bomber blew up your house, would you react the same way if someone told you your house was on fire? No, of course not, even though suicide bombers exist and periodically the news reports about suicide bombers, the likelihood that one destroyed your house is extremely small.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
Well, considering probability, it is more likely that there is a 'god' than not. Even science will not deny that (it just hopes that it's lesser probability is the truth and not the lie).
petrakid 2 years ago
Now compare that to god. A being(s) that there is no proof of whose very understanding differs with each person who also happens to control a bunch of things, soul, afterlife, etc, that also have no proof. What's more reasonable? That we're simply another species or that we are a product of divine intervention.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
To believe that some guy could die to save the whole world from sin - if that were reasonable within our ability to reason - everyone would believe it. Now just because many reject it does not mean majority rule. If it were in fact the truth, as unreasonable as it is, and the whole world rejected it, it would not cease from being the truth. We do not define truth, we can do no more than believe it or deny it. Science does not define truth - it can only observe and make speculation.
petrakid 2 years ago
Practicaly the foundation of my beliefs there. Well done good sir.
Sweepingreaper4 2 years ago
haha he said that guy was a good man. atheists arent allowed to use the words good and evil. think about it. if you use the word good or evil then that means that theres a heaven and hell.
MrArnoldthejedi 2 years ago
I believe that atheists are allowed to use the words good and evil. What standard have you used to conclude that atheists are not allowed to use the words good and evil? Your "logic" implies that if you do not use the words good or evil then there is neither heaven nor hell. One thing that Penn liked about the guy is that he was sane.
RealRunner7 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing, Penn!
memanoko 2 years ago
A seed was planted. Penn, your video is amazingly touching. God bless you.
MujerWOW 2 years ago
Someone Created all this matter in the Universe you would have to be a total idiot to think otherwise. Just because a few atheists are pissed off (mainly at Christians). Doesn't mean that matter came from nowhere. Thats like getting caught with a pound of weed and saying to cop " This weed came from nowhere". Everything came from somewhere at least you stupid ass atheist should be able to logically say that. You dont have to believe in god to believe that all this matter came from somewhere.
ElvinAllenTheAuthor 2 years ago
"Doesn't mean that matter came from nowhere."
Only theists say that atheists believe the universe came from nowhere.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
So apparently the Atheist doesn't believe that all this matter came from nowhere a lot of 'atheists ' are no atheists at all . They're actually Deists.If you can admit that matter came from somewhere then why is it completely illogical to say it came from somewhere...doesnt mean its someone or something...but from somewhere.
ElvinAllenTheAuthor 2 years ago
So enlighten me where does atheists believe the universe came from. And if your going to say the big bang then you are no better than the religious freaks you hate so bad because that in itself is a theory just like religion.
ElvinAllenTheAuthor 2 years ago
"because that in itself is a theory"
A theory in science is not the same as a theory in every day speak. A theory in laymans correlates more to a hypothesis in science. A theory is the highest level an idea can acheive. Theories are used as building blocks to other scientific discoveries. For example, gravity is a theory. Do you question gravity?
thirdLeg 2 years ago
"Everything came from somewhere"
If god(s) can exist prepetually then so can the universe. Considering there is zero evidence of god(s) and creationism, any alternative is better.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
You rock, Penn.
PunkinO1111 2 years ago
Psalms is Old Testament
Owain27 2 years ago
There's that all-lovin fun fun god again, always waiting for you to slip to send you to burn forever.
chbrules 2 years ago
wen r ppl gonna realize that god created faith&men created religion god did't say u have to believe in this religion god asked us to have faith in him so 4 ppl that blame god for every bad thing that happened to them ur being ignorant&stupid cuz god doesnt poke a finger around in ur life hes giving u the freedom of choice & the bad things you do r the results of the bad choices you make if someone dies of a disease god gets blamed for it Pollution doesnt caus cancer birth defects & etc god does
DeeDeeWinchester 2 years ago
When are people gonna realize that god is a figment of their imagination?
chbrules 2 years ago
I think God invented punctuation and grammar... Unless I'm mistaken.
horses102488 2 years ago
bowandarrowsparkles: We had xtians post that same, tired quote on the side of a bus as an attack against a group of atheists and free-thinkers who posted a non-threatening bus ad which said "Don't believe in God? You're not alone." To which I respond:
If one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool.
-Carl Jung
Christians go around quoting The Bible as much as Atheists go around quoting Richard Dawkins...
But only one group makes sense :P
cypherpunk11 2 years ago
I would say that's wrong... I don't quote dawkins, yet I quote the bible... and I'm an atheist :P
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
As a former atheist, I have always respected Penn's approach to this subject. As a pastor, I know first-hand that there are far more of the sort of Christian he describes in this video than he imagines.
johnjwilks 2 years ago 7
I would encourage all Christians to watch this video. Be inspired to evangelize. Salvation is worth social awkwardness.
tongan321 2 years ago 3
I saw the video where Penn ste the record straight that he has not converted. And he said this video was about proslitizing. But I thouth it was about how not all God believers are bad people. So can someone set the record staight for me?
IbanezJFS 2 years ago
yeah but he is not corrupt, either has he done abominable work, he does good, he give loan to people, who need help. I disagree! with you!
darknam 2 years ago
WOW!! I'm not religious.....but that was one HELL of an honest spiritual connection.
GOOD STUFF!!
Parspatou 2 years ago 2
if god created this world..... he seriously fucked up doin so
chillin346 2 years ago
god didnt fuck anything up, people did.
joeratti 2 years ago
Joe, how could god fuck something up? He doesnt exist ^_^
sakar181 2 years ago
maybe he did! for creating us!
darknam 2 years ago
awesome! Jesus is lord!!
hichristinaaa 2 years ago
We all have fallen short through unbelief. Thats why we have to ask the Lord Jesus to forgive us of our sin. Jesus came , died, rose again for Penn, if you were the only person in the world, He still would have left His throne in glory to come for your sacrificial lamb.
Buskey716 2 years ago
If there isn't a God, that man would have never given you the Bible and you wouldn't have been holding back those tears. Jesus loves you Penn and He is wants you to feel that. He is real and He is coming to get each of us to live with Him in eternity, but can't come unless you believe and confess that you know Jesus is Lord, and ask Him to forgive all your imperfections (sins). Come to Jesus while you still have the opportunity, once we leave this world, we don't get another chance.
Buskey716 2 years ago
You essentially spoke my mind. I am an atheist, but if you truly believe I will burn in a fire for eternity, I would expect you to try to help me.
billybones116 2 years ago
Kudos to Penn for being intelligent and fair. Those who preach a message of tolerance are generally the most intolerant type of people you will encounter. I consider myself a Christian not just because I chose to follow Christ but also that I have made a decision to live my life without an agenda as He did. Until I saw this video I didn't realize that a staunch athiest could so motivate me to share my faith more often, but that is just what happened. I'm extremely thankful to have found this
bromatt75 2 years ago
i'll stand with arms high
and hearts abandoned
in awe of the one who gave it all,
i'll stand my soul Lord to you surrendered
all i am is Your's :) <3
owlllcityyy 2 years ago
There are a lot of people just like that. Not every Christian is a wack job, in fact many are not. It's the curse of the "loudest gear gets the oil" issue.
I've watched you and heard you talk, but I don't know how an educated man like yourself can say there is NO God. That's like saying you know everything there is to know in the universe. Just keep it at you "believe" there is no God. Because to believe in nothing still allows you one day to believe in something---which I hope will be God.
Leadrunner 2 years ago
May you find more men and woman like that man.
danturis 2 years ago
Another self-contradiction. Here in this video, you talk about how this was a good man, but in another video, you say that people are either athiest or scary and need to stay away from you (the one about God asking Abraham to kill his son or whatever).
Also, apparenlty it's ok for you to dictate how someone else practices their religion, and it's ok, even "mandatory" that they try to convert you, but when someone says a prayer at an award ceremony, you make a video to complain about it.
pyrobryan 2 years ago
pyrobryan:
You have to admit that Penn is more tolerant than 99% of hollywood!
ScarlettKnights 2 years ago
Well, given the choice between a drunk-driving, religiously-fuelled anti-semite like Mel Gibson and a guy who'd just kind of a dick like Penn, I'll take Penn any day of the week.
pyrobryan 2 years ago
If you know there is no God then why do you keep trying to convince yourself. May the Lord bless you and the ones you love.
FoothillsofWyoming 2 years ago
i never thought of it this way as a comfirmed exchristian i can't handle my evangelical sister's evangelizing, i guess its because i now know all religion, is delusional, and i actually explained to her that all christians, muslims etc are going to each others hell. She didn't understand, i tried to explain but as a christian she will be in muslim's hell, as muslims in her mind will be in the christian's hell. She didn't realize the delusion of how each religion preaches ignorance to each other.
blamekisser 2 years ago
I wish MORE Christians would show the grace that this man did to Penn, lots of us Christians ARE indeed SANE. ;)
Thanks for sharing Penn.
....AND to the man he's talking about, THANKS for sharing HIM with Penn ; )
waxburnerca 2 years ago
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s1l2a3y4e5r6 2 years ago
hey i never thought it that way
rgbmarrone 2 years ago
Penn-dude..i really like this video! I'm going to keep you in my prayers too!
loymonteiro 2 years ago
Is this thee "proselytizing" video that everyone is talking about?
MRCAB 2 years ago
Evolution is the scientific version of the story of our existence, The Bible is the colorful version. One mirrors the other. If there is a God, and he is as all forgiving as everyone believes, then on the final day he is going to fling open the pearly gates and say, "Everyone welcome." Jesus spoke in parables [riddles] of which all were no more definitive than a fortune cookie. Agree to disagree and move on with your lives. Make a difference. Hug someone.
WildWeaselNJ 2 years ago 2
I like you man. :D (not sarcasm)
MasterMegaManX 2 years ago
He kinda reminds me of The Dude from "The Big Lebowski".
Minnexyz 2 years ago
It is interesting to see this rambling nonsense rhetoric commenting on a video like this one. Penn doesn't believe in God for any host of reasons, but the actions of one guy obviously effected him. Unfortunately this back and forth bickering that Christians spend so much effort with has the exact opposite effect.
gsbaracuda 2 years ago 2
So had you read any of the books yet?
tinfinz 2 years ago
Consecrate means set apart.
Oh, and good job being as bad the fundamentalists by taking the Bible out of context.
Jimbo3783 2 years ago
When did I take the Bible out of context?
Rattapax 2 years ago
Most Christians are good people, im a christian and im a great person.
mateor09 2 years ago
uh, my last comment was directed at someone specific but their comment seems to have disappeared so everyone ignore me.
FootSoldier66 2 years ago
"How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that everlasting life is possible and not tell them that?"
That was beautiful.
FootSoldier66 2 years ago
This was shown in my church and his point cannot be refuted because it's true. If a man is drowning it takes a sick minded person not to attempt to save him if possible.
MayonR 2 years ago
"his point cannot be refuted"
It can be refuted because if a person is drowning there will be actual evidence. Whereas there is no evidence of god(s).
thirdLeg 2 years ago
The point has nothing to do with the proof of God. The point was issued to both Atheists and Christians. Although Christians belief has a little more urgency because of the perceived impending doom. Atheist believe that death is the end therefore there is no urgency. If doom is really believed will come on someone it is irresponsible to not act.
MayonR 2 years ago
"The point has nothing to do with the proof of God."
Actually it does because you believe Penn, or any atheist for that matter needs saved to your beliefs. A drowning man is going die. That's not up for debate. But this whole system you believe in is. Equating the two is repugnant. Also what you don't realize is that you may very well may be "doomed". I hope a muslim tries to save your drowning soul.
thirdLeg 2 years ago
thank you for agreeing if a man is drowning one should act. The proof of God was not presented for debate here. it was not even his point. What the question is if a man perceives impending doom on someone else it is morally irresponsible for him not to act? Whether his belief is irrational in your view or not. If he really believes he should act as if so. This even follows the tenets of the Bible.
MayonR 2 years ago
Penn, in my old bible-belt hometown when we were kids we had a word for those: rolling-papers.
defexorcist 2 years ago
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defexorcist 2 years ago
Penn, I am a fellow "magician" who LOVES your work. I am also a Born Again Christian who believes 100% that there is a God who loves us and will give us eternal life. I really appreciate your telling of this story. First the respectful manner that you tell it, many athiests would relay a story like this with more contempt and b) the truth of the content! Here is an Athiest relaying a simple TRUTH Christians don't tell one another. If you REALLY BELIEVE it's truly life and death SAY SO!
jeffpog 2 years ago
You are right on about not telling someone something you feel is TRUE.
AmericasSoapBox 2 years ago
Penn,as a fellow Atheist, thank you for your Support.Appreciate the politeness of that Individual even though they do not support Reason.
Keep it up!
goasu151 2 years ago
Do you capitalize at Random or is Their some Reason for it?
68wagoneer 2 years ago