Where I work, they havew a 06 Dodge 3500 that they have put 4 transmissions in 200,000 miles, it's rusting, the doors rattle and the motor is weak, #6 cylinder is low on compression. It's worked but not abused, serviced well and often. Compared to the 96 2500 with 470,000 on it, it is a turd. Stupid owner keeps putting money into it and he just needs to get rid of it and buy a DMax or new Ford and forget it. He's the only one getting Rammed here.
@GmTruckCarLove the first one lasted 97k, the second slightly longer, the 3rd one week, (Chrysler's fault) the fourth 8k. Chrysler may have a better Auto trans now. You tell me what happened to the whole truck, it is a little unusual that it has had all the problems but it averages 750 to a thousand every 2-3 weeks in some sort of repair. It is a 2WD and is used 5 days a week. The 96 has had a shut off solenoid and 1 trans and ball joints period. The 12 valve is a better truck.
@thegreenerthemeaner The 5 speed is shit when it is paired with the Cummings. You must have been getting it rebuilt by idiots lol. Now to the engine; they put those in semis so I think they can handle alittle truck. llol
@steveMCHS i meant ford has a 3.5l v6 twin turboed well i predict a future in twin turboed v6 for mpgs and i know if chevy made a 3.4l v6 twin turbo for there calorados or short bed reg cabs it would be better than fords
the quality of my chevy lly is awesome it has 233000 thousand miles an runs like a champ and it looks good and i get compliments on it almost daily. but i would LOVE to have that truck! lighter than a 2500 it would run awesome
@MidnightRambler73 Nah man, Cummins is the way to go. With the dodge, you get better fuel economy, better sound, better looks, and WAY BETTER RELIABILITY! Cummins is the way to go.
@foxacer529 How do you figure? You OBVIOUSLY dont know what your talking about, and you probably arent agreeing because daddy has a ford or a GM in the driveway. Once you buy your first vehicle, you will realize.
@MotoX179 the cummins engine might make 1,000,000kms but you'll need about six or seven more transmissions, etc. for your ram if its more than a pavement princess
@ls3100sfi I tow A 9-10,000lbs bumper tow RV, with 1,200 lbs worth of dirtbikes and firewood in the back of my truck. Tranny has been good for every KM ive put on the truck. we Tow our trailer up at 35% grade that transitions into a 45% grade, on hot days, going 10KMH, in 4low 1st/2nd gear. when she lets go (no signs of wear yet), shell be getting a billet TC and VB.
If you have an Chevy/GMC SUV Or Cadillac Escalade theres a place in flordia that does duramax conversions its called duraburb and they have videos on youtube
Why didn't GM put this engine into any of their vehicles? Seriously! It'd be just like the good old days of GM diesel rigs, when you could get a 6.2L diesel in just about anything based off of the truck lineup. Imagine! a Chevy Tahoe (Or hopefully a two door tahoe that they could name Blazer) or Silverado 1500 with one of these! But no, GM had to invest their money into that stupid pile of shit called "Cruze". What a shame.. But maybe my head is just stuck in the 80's cloud..
Very foolish to disband this engine... GM could have had a real differator here and now Ford has their "Ecoboost" which is not even as good as this but similar in concept on the gasoline powered front. But look how much good press Ford is getting. Wish the powers that be at GM would take a look at these comments and re-visit this engine and design. Also, bring back the Q-Steer and you would have the baddest truck in the land that would blow away Ford entirely.. Are you listening GM?
Very foolish to disband this engine... GM could have had a real differator here and now for has their "Ecoboost" which is not even as good as this but similar in concept on the gasoline powered front. Wish the powers that be at GM would take a look at these comments and re-visit this engine. Also, bring back the Q-Steer and you would have the baddest truck in the land that would blow away Ford entirely.. Are you listening GM?
I think they had to dump this in order to get their money from the Government who is pushing hybrids. Otherwise, GM would've brought this nice little diesel to the market in a hurry.
@woodman1241 Well theres obviously a reason they stopped making them. But im sure if the 1/2 tons could handle diesel engines then they would have them so obviously theres a reason why they cant be put into 1/2 tons
@BM2Hixon It's just a matter of feasability. Our infrastructure in America is geared towards gasoline powered vehicles. Mass produced hybrids and diesels both suffer the same fatal flaw...we just don't have the supplies to market and use both efficiently.
@toyoracing89 you are an idiot. it is difficult to find a 'gas station' that DOESN'T sell diesel. WTF do you think all those big trucks on the highway are running?
@BM2Hixon Yeah it's called the current economy. If it weren't for the shitty state of the economy, we were supposed to see the 4.5L DMax hit the showroom floor in 2011 or 2012
a duramax is a sorry excuse for a diesel...if anyone realizes...the duramax diesel is based off a gasoline motor...all they did was put thicker cranks and rods...thats it...the block itself is still just a gasoline block...in other words...any time you want to use the torque at its fullest...all your gonna do is swell the cylinders...now..last i checked...diesels (real diesels) dont need a rebuild till at least 500k miles...and thats just to be on the safe side...a duramax needs a rebuild @ 100k
@SebastianLong The Duramax is a built from the ground up diesel, not based on a gas engine. The first one's were designed and built by GM in conjunction with Isuzu. The second gen DMax's (the LLY I do believe) were all GM, completely without Isuzu. And what is this you say about a DMax needing a rebuild at 100k? I've seen several of the first gens with over 300k on them with no rebuild. Last time I checked the DMax was a "real diesel" as you put it.
@goattke you obviously never tore one down...and the 6.5 diesel they put into the military pickup were worse than any diesel EVER produced...the staggering number of hatemail to GM about that motor will prove that...it didnt have the balls to get out of its own way...if you ever get the chance to tear those new 6.2 down...compare it to the gas 327 i believe it is...ONLY difference is the coolant ports are a little bigger...but the overall dimensions are exactly the same as its gas counterpart
@chevyblows2001 You are right. I did read that after I posted this, although where the design and build of the first gen was MOSTLY Isuzu, if flipped to being MOSTLY GM with the second gen going forward. The new 4.5 showcased in this video however is ALL GM.
@SebastianLong no, duramax is a real diesel engine, designed by isuzu and built as a diesel from day one. Even the 6.5detroit was a all diesel engine. You have to go back to before the 6.2 detroit to find a gas based diesel engine under the gm banner
@SebastianLong your a retard, i have 207,000 miles on my lb7 duramax and not a single thing on or in the motor has broken, and the duramax is not based off any gas engine, there are duramax's over a million miles bud
@duramaxin81 only 207,000 miles?...im driving a gas 4 cylinder 99 plymouth breeze with more than that on it...207K isnt that much...and show me one of those million mile durafags with over a mill on it...please...i can show you PLENTY of CATS, Cummins, Powerstrokes,and internationals with more than a mill...and if you dont have many pickups with a diesel in it near you...just look inside a big rig...the motors in them are the same producers of the ones in the pickups
@SebastianLong you clearly stated that a duramax needs a rebuild after 100k, so you just made your self sound like a dumbass. Duramax is a far better motor then any powerstrokes, theres track times and dyno numbers to prove it. The reason there arent many million mile duramax's is because they came out in 2001, give them some time, but i do know of one thats is over a million and one over 750,000 miles. ill find a link just for you.
@kaziwill chevy coping ford ahah, fod copied chevy budd, the reverse flow heads where on the 4.5 duramax before tthe 6.7 power stroke was ever built, and common rail injection was on the first generation duramax and then ford got common rail injection on there 6.4 and the new 6.7, and aluminum head where on the first generation duramax and now who has them,, the new 6.7 powerstroke, so what has chevy copied from ford budd?
When will this 4.5 diesel appear in the market, for GM's heavy duty pickups. That's alot of tq and hp for such a little engine. But it's nice, wouldn't mind having one.
This technology is exactly what we need. It's about time america has come to the realization of going to diesel power. It all starts with puttin these diesels into the SUVs and 1500's and pretty soon ull see em in many cars instead of fruity hybrids. U get more power than a hybrid and depending on what vehicle application better MPG. whats not to love... If and when you see these on the market you could see one in my driveway.... and this is coming from someone who has bought FORD trucks
If gm drops the 6.6 completely, I would be a little pissed. But if this 4.5L was put into half ton models and the 6.6 into 3/4 and full ton models, I could see this being a very big success.
camera guy needs to get shot, and for the guys below me.. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! SHIT ITS A DAMN TRUCK AND YOU LOSERS WANNA FIGHT ABOUT POLITICS?!?!?! GO SUCK A HORSE DICK! FIGHTING ON THE INTERNET IS LIKE THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS, EVEN IF YOU WIN YOUR STILL A RETARD!
to grant 4658 ..... U fucking idiot get your head out of ur ass and educate yourself!!! its not republicans that are not making technology like this available to us its u fucking liberal socialist democrats and let me tell u you so called hero's are sucking the life out of us more and more each day dumb shit
If GM would have been able to continue on with this engine truck sales would have sky rocketed. Decent HP + decent MPG = sales. Would have probably been good in the Hummers too.
@benterprise people in hummers still haven't decoded what mpg stands for. so i doubt it would make a remarkable difference in their sales. however i could see this engine being a huge success in the 1500 line up.
God damn republicans and their oil hungry, money grubbing handlers will never let technology like this make it to the production line. What a shame...
diesel engines in 1500s are a great idea. more torque, more hauling power in a small pickup is always good and if you can get better fuel economy with it was well there ya go. hell, chip it, stack it, go to town haha
they will not be making the 4.5L Diesel because they needed to cut projects in order to save money. It was either the 4.5L Duramax or the Volt which they have already invested too much money in to scrap the car.
You do need exhaust manifold's, they are just a lot shorter, the plus is that you have one turbo not two which means less weight (not much), faster spool up of turbo, shorter intake length means faster response. You cant run an engine (as it was intended) without the right manifold lengths.
Manufacturing cost would drop buy that much if less casting was needed & only one turbo is needed.
Not to be that guy, but if you look at the exploded diagram of the parts, you'll see that the block itself has two small ports on either side of the vee where the turbo directly bolts to. There are Zero exhaust manifolds, unless you consider the exhaust routing within the block itself to be a "manifold". But at any rate it will be amazing to see how much it improves turbo lag, something I fight with daily.
I read about this reverse air flow a few months ago. hurray for GM, but I still think Cummins RULES, with it's earthwrenching power and proven durability. Chev has come a long way , though, since the wheez/bang (I didn't even make power and my crank broke 6.2/6.5)
i cant wait for this to come out i was waiting for gm to come out with another diesel for the hummer and the 1500 pickups. i don't care about the environmental stuff; i want huge power and good mpg and "better emissions" i guess.
Yeah, I definitely agree, Europe is light years ahead in diesel tech. The BMW 2 stage turbo, the fact that Audi won Le Mans with a diesel car. Here in the States, you're pretty much limited to a truck. Daimler-Chrysler did attempt to sell the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.5L Bluetec engine, and the Jeep Liberty with a 2.8L diesel. Niether sold well, and were cancelled rather soon.
Mercedes builds ALL the Daimler-Chrysler diesels. The Bluetec is Mercedes excellent 3.5L turbo V6 from its sedans. In the States we don't have "big" diesel V8s, either. Ford uses a 6.0L, GM a 6.6, and Dodge uses a 6.7L Straight Six. Unfortunately, the Jeep diesels aren't sold in the US anymore. If you want a diesel car here, your only choices are Mercedes or Volkswagen.
Ford trucks are. A 6.0L turbo V8 made by International-Harvester. None of the "big three" pickup truck diesel are actually made in-house, GM uses Isuzu, and Dodge uses Cummins. Aside from pickups, diesels are non-existent in the US, which is a crying damn shame. By the way, my 1st car was a 79 VW Rabbit (Golf) 1.5L normally aspirated diesel. All of 48 bhp, but, it got 55-65 mpg!
that sounds right, although I always thought GM and Ford could claim a little more credit for some design input, than dodge with the cummins (my favorite).
I used to have an 80 Rabbit diesel, 78mph top speed...instrument cluster vibrating loose like it was going to fall out of the dash......70 foot ash tree later crushed the shit out of the car and I still drove it on the trailer, all scrunched down behind the wheel. ha ha
It's so unfortunate that the perfect piece of clean, usable technology (the Diesel engine) has been warped by so-called environmentalists, politicians and noisy-engine haters into what new "Diesel" engines are today. With the absurdly high injector pressures, DPFs and computers, these engines can run only on ULSD, not true diesel fuel (vegetable oil)
Kind of funny how diesels are getting so popular, just 2 years after it became illegal to make a proper one.
Virtually no turbo lag with the turbo/intake setup on this, throw that garbage pathetic excuse for saving the environment emssions system out and it will be fast...
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I pay almost $10 a US gallon for diesel in the UK. Good job my car will do up to 78 MPG then! BTW how is it possible to get so little power from such a huge engine? My mates car has 320 bhp but engine is 2.0l
Anything over 2.0l engine size is silly, should be illegal. Can't beleive GM are still churning out these mass produced under-engineered mosters that probably do less than 30 MPG when here in europe we are making an effort. At least 100 cars available here that do 60 - 100 MPG.
Our EPA is more strict, thus a lot of the cars over there dont meet the emmisions standards over here. Plus for some reason the automakers dont want to sell them. The hot ticket now over here is the VW TDI, they are selling like hotcakes, are the price of them has gone up crazy high
By the way, fuel is around 4.70 here now. I drive around a 6200pound truck with a 6.9L turbo diesel, that gets around 18MPG. I'm going to start burning WMO (waste motor oil), cause I'm cheap LOL
wow ur what we like to call a dipshit cow fucker.... its pretty easy to take a GM/chevy 350 ( the most famous engine ever ) and get over 1000 hp out of it , try doin that to your 2.0l with the same budget fuckin dipshit
I'm not bothered about power, i have enough from my 1.3 turbo diesel. I want economy. The new Ford (wow ford are American!) fiesta does 88 MPG, that impresses me, show me a car designed and built in America that does 88 MPG, not a hybrid, and i will listen.
Well you have cheap fuel at $5 a gallon, ours is $8 - $10 a gallon but places in Africa are $18 a gallon. If your fuel hits $18 a gallon, then you will care and besides, it's not about money, it's about our environment, isn't it? Our planet should come before anything else if you ask me.
"fuck our environment" fuck you you selfish twat, that's the kind of immature, ignorant attitude we're trying to change. Let me tell you, there are cars out there that do 0-60 in 4 seconds and do over 100 MPG, there are electric cars that emit no pollution at all and still do 0-60 in just over 3 seconds. You don't need to produce pollution to have power. In the future every car will have good performance and use little or no fuel so grow up please, time to catch up, USA is well behind.
so would i and it's not that far from the future. There are already electric trams/trains etc which carry vast amounts of loads across the country. The fact of the matter is, I've been to the states for 2 and a half months all together, and the huge 5+ litre trucks i saw were all carrying one person. As for dragsters, they do 0-110 in 2 seconds but they also do 32 gallons to the mile. Even trucks that tow 30+ tonnes still do around 10 MPG.
While diesel is currently more viable than electric vehicles, diesel would be absolutely slaughtered by electric power if they figured out a way to store enough juice in the batteries. Trains use diesel generators to power electric motors, and I'm not sure there's anything in the world that can pull more weight than a train. Don't get me wrong - Diesel Power Forever! - but in terms of torque, a motor will always be able to beat an engine.
dude you are an ignorant piece of shit. you need to think about some things. first off the gas and diesel cars will never be gone due to that single fact of what they can do. but you need to look up cars like the lighting that will smoke almost any gas car out there. so quit being such a prick. you're just doing it for attention and to get people riled up. Hell I'll burn gas all day. but why fight over it.
but you have to think that the emissions that the diesel burning cars put out really isn't to bad for the enviroment. it is 100% better than regular gas.
No it's not, its burns and produces carbon dioxide the same as petrol cars, the difference is that it goes further, i got 82 MPG the other day! (around 68 miles per US gallon) you won't get that sort of mileage in a petrol car. The emissions are lower true, but not by 100% far from it!
The really great thing about diesels is, they offer the possibility of using bio fuels with little to no modification, unlike petrol engines. There's a refinery outside Seattle that refines diesel fuel from canola seeds, the fuel can be burned in any diesel, with no mods, offers higher lubricity, and significantly reduced emissions than either petrol, or regular diesel. Keep in mind, Dr. Diesel's original engine ran on peanut oil.
Yes, can you imagine using that in my car? It already has the same emissions as a prius, but with special diesel, it would be even lower. I broke my own record the other day, i got 82 MPG on normal diesel (which is 68 US miles per gallon) not bad eh?
That is truly amazing. I wish engines like that were available in the States, but, here you're pretty much limited to a Mercedes, or a truck when it comes to diesels. I hope we'll be seeing more of the smaller displacement European diesels on sale here in the next couple of years. My first car was a '79 VW Rabbit (Golf) 1.5L diesel.
You've got the right attitude! Most Americans get angry when i unintentionally offend their cars, mainly because they hate being wrong but mostly because they think Ford/GM/Chrysler are the best cars in the World. I don't disagree entirely but i think they could offer more in terms of fuel economy. Ford for example have just released the new Fiesta which does over 65 US MPG, the very engine that's in my car was developed with GM and is in some GM cars in Europe! Very unfair for you guys i think
I know what you mean. Unfortunately, GM made diesel a dirty word here in the states when they released their positively awful 5.7L diesel in the early 70's. Ever since then American companies have shied away from automotive diesels. Personally, I think modern diesels, using bio fuel, could offer a much simpler solution to a lot of environmental and energy problems.
People need to realise that modern diesels are cleaner and more efficient than the old noisy dirty oil burners of the 70's. The 1.4 diesel engine by VW (found in the Seat Ibiza, Polo, Golf etc) emits less than 100 grams of
C02 per kilometre! That's a lot less than a Prius, and it does 88 UK MPG. And with diesel of course you have the added benefit of low down torque thanks to the turbo so a big engine in not necessary. Mine is only a 1.3 litre but it has so much pull from 1500 RPM
Exactly! In the States, VW offers the 2.0 TDI, and if it wasn't for the TDI badges, you'd never know it was a diesel. No extreme noise, vibration, or smoke. I own a 1990 Mercedes 300D 2.5L turbo, even at that age, it's smooth, quiet, and doesn't put out smoke.
I agree, diesel has almost overtaken petrol in terms of noise and refinement, some would argue that diesels offer better performance, they certainly have a lot more torque! I think European diesels are better because of a higher demand, Europe has had the chance to develop, refine and evolve the diesel engine for decades now. 60% of all new cars sold here are diesel, people don't buy big cars anymore unless they're diesel, anything over 1.8 litre has to be diesel or people simply won't buy it.
30% of an average cars carbn footprint comes from manufacture, worse when we buy from china as they last halfthe time (twice the production CO2 therefore!) and must be shipped.
Keeping an old car may pollute more from exhaust ut if u keep it long enough this is offset.
I am still driving a 1994 ford 1.8td!!
over 50mpg on a good day and over 110mph top speed.
I actually get bettr mpg now I run higher boost and more max fuel!.
is that a reason to waste it? Some people are ignorant enough to ignore the environmental consequences! Even when they can see it happening and there's millions of tests and statistics to back it people, some people still think global warming is a theory!
I was reading about these. It's interesting to see that a prototype has been built. I've been playin hell tryin to find out more info, other than it will probably be arriving somewhere around 4th quarter 09 or early 10. Can't wait to see what Ford and Dodge does now.
I, for one, am glad I've got the 6.6. I'm kinda old school in that I'd rather get power from displacement instead of super-boosting and tuning a small block.
The great thing about these engines is they fit in the same space as a GM small block. So with the new rear wheel drive Impalas coming this engine will fit right in. I'm thinking of puttting it in my 94 Chevy Caprice.
it has 100 ft/lbs of torque less than fords new twin turbo 6.4 liter. its kind of sad how its almost 2 liters smaller and makes almost the same amount of power.
yeah the 6.6l is right there with teh 6.4 though this engine is tuned to the max botyh the 6.4 and 6.6l are overbuilt meaning they aren't running there full potential
that may be true but the 4.5 liter duramax seems like a pretty cool idea. its about time GM put a diesel in their suburban. i wish GM used duramax's in their 01 2500 suburbans instead of using the 496. i would be happier with my 2500 if it had a diesel.
oh i agree dodge and ford are doing it to and i cant wait till they come out because im a diesel freak but i don't need or really want anything bigger than a 1/2 ton right now
i deliever customers cars with my 8.1 liter suburban. it does pretty damn good and since this new suburban has a duramax with more torque i think id definatly buy one.
ha yeah definatly. im not sure what im getting now but i know its not as good as my friends turbo diesel excursion. ill spend just as much filling up my tank as she would. i love my 8 liter but its time to get something more effient, smaller, and smokier ;)
GM says they'll be offering the fullsize SUV's with the 6.6 duramax as an option engine in late 2009.
I myself own a '94 Blazer with the older 6.5 turbo diesel (back when GM diesels were made by Detroit) Less power that the 6.6 but it's nice having a diesel in a half ton, still great fuel economy with 300,000km and running strong!
Interesting... Exhaust ports exit in the valley of the block? That means the intake ports are right next to the exhaust ports- Did it have the standard CAC, intercooler and intake routing as the current Duramax?
No, It's a DOHC, 4-valve design, and the set of valves on the inside of the V are the exhaust. The outer set are the intake, so the intake ports are on the outside of the V. The intake manifolds are built into the valve covers, or at least that's the description I've read. It's not all that clear.
You can also find photos on the Web of a couple of cutaway display engines, but they're a bit confusing as to exactly what is what and how the plumbing goes together.
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4rdt0ugh08 6 days ago
Why would you want a 4.5 when you can have a 6.6 litter WOOOO!
loganalt10 1 week ago 2
"GM estimates that there is a $600 per engine reduction in cost........"
and how would that savings be passed along to us, the consumer?
that's right, it'd be passed along to the "Profits Department"!
1oldskoolluvr 2 weeks ago
its gm it will take then 10 years to get it right sounds good LOL
adamkingsho 1 month ago
Fucking make it already.
travisxxx23 1 month ago
i dont get this engine.
rellikreggin77 2 months ago
is this going to happen still? thought they closed this program?
booyahman7 3 months ago
Where I work, they havew a 06 Dodge 3500 that they have put 4 transmissions in 200,000 miles, it's rusting, the doors rattle and the motor is weak, #6 cylinder is low on compression. It's worked but not abused, serviced well and often. Compared to the 96 2500 with 470,000 on it, it is a turd. Stupid owner keeps putting money into it and he just needs to get rid of it and buy a DMax or new Ford and forget it. He's the only one getting Rammed here.
thegreenerthemeaner 3 months ago
@thegreenerthemeaner I think your over blowing the tranny one. The Cummings is a much better engine than Duramax and Powershit.
GmTruckCarLove 3 months ago
@GmTruckCarLove the first one lasted 97k, the second slightly longer, the 3rd one week, (Chrysler's fault) the fourth 8k. Chrysler may have a better Auto trans now. You tell me what happened to the whole truck, it is a little unusual that it has had all the problems but it averages 750 to a thousand every 2-3 weeks in some sort of repair. It is a 2WD and is used 5 days a week. The 96 has had a shut off solenoid and 1 trans and ball joints period. The 12 valve is a better truck.
thegreenerthemeaner 3 months ago
@thegreenerthemeaner The 5 speed is shit when it is paired with the Cummings. You must have been getting it rebuilt by idiots lol. Now to the engine; they put those in semis so I think they can handle alittle truck. llol
GmTruckCarLove 3 months ago
@GmTruckCarLove
Cummins*
mulletmasher 1 month ago
this is a great idea now gm will have 2 diffient duramax moters
steveMCHS 4 months ago
@steveMCHS ya now they need a twin turboed v6 to match the 3.5l twin turboed v6 maybe the 3.4l or 3.8
wtl1964 3 months ago
@wtl1964 ya true that but the only problem is that this moter isnt as strong as the 6.6
steveMCHS 3 months ago
@steveMCHS i meant ford has a 3.5l v6 twin turboed well i predict a future in twin turboed v6 for mpgs and i know if chevy made a 3.4l v6 twin turbo for there calorados or short bed reg cabs it would be better than fords
wtl1964 3 months ago
@wtl1964 ya thats fore sure they could even put it in there 1500 trucks aswell like the f150
steveMCHS 3 months ago
the quality of my chevy lly is awesome it has 233000 thousand miles an runs like a champ and it looks good and i get compliments on it almost daily. but i would LOVE to have that truck! lighter than a 2500 it would run awesome
tarxantoo 5 months ago
saving money is #1 priority for gm! (look at their quality)
SuperBeatnuts 6 months ago
Obama won't let GM make better products like... diesel motors in their suvs. Id by one if they did.
Mr223wssm 6 months ago
it's only slightly less powerful than the for 6.0.
vendediesel 7 months ago
Chevy why haven't u made this truck yet?
odb003pb 7 months ago
@MidnightRambler73 Nah man, Cummins is the way to go. With the dodge, you get better fuel economy, better sound, better looks, and WAY BETTER RELIABILITY! Cummins is the way to go.
MotoX179 7 months ago
@MotoX179 lol no
foxacer529 6 months ago
@foxacer529 How do you figure? You OBVIOUSLY dont know what your talking about, and you probably arent agreeing because daddy has a ford or a GM in the driveway. Once you buy your first vehicle, you will realize.
MotoX179 6 months ago
@MotoX179 I have a 97 gmc sierra with 356000 kms and its runs prime. thats reliability
foxacer529 6 months ago
@foxacer529 Yet my 05 cummins with 240,000KMS will go till more than 1,000,000KMS.
MotoX179 6 months ago
@MotoX179 ill believe it when i see it
foxacer529 6 months ago
@MotoX179 the cummins engine might make 1,000,000kms but you'll need about six or seven more transmissions, etc. for your ram if its more than a pavement princess
ls3100sfi 4 months ago
@ls3100sfi I tow A 9-10,000lbs bumper tow RV, with 1,200 lbs worth of dirtbikes and firewood in the back of my truck. Tranny has been good for every KM ive put on the truck. we Tow our trailer up at 35% grade that transitions into a 45% grade, on hot days, going 10KMH, in 4low 1st/2nd gear. when she lets go (no signs of wear yet), shell be getting a billet TC and VB.
MotoX179 4 months ago
@Motorchevytoyota naa im just sayin the engine is already there. they should just update it.
ps3dethman1 8 months ago
@Motorchevytoyota they already have it 4bt 3.9...
ps3dethman1 8 months ago
We wont see this for sale because GM wont give the customers what they want.
f350powerstroke 8 months ago
If you have an Chevy/GMC SUV Or Cadillac Escalade theres a place in flordia that does duramax conversions its called duraburb and they have videos on youtube
tinderinc 8 months ago
If you have an Chevy/GMC SUV Or Cadillac Escalade theres a place in flordia that does conversions its called duraburb and they have videos on youtube
tinderinc 8 months ago
Why didn't GM put this engine into any of their vehicles? Seriously! It'd be just like the good old days of GM diesel rigs, when you could get a 6.2L diesel in just about anything based off of the truck lineup. Imagine! a Chevy Tahoe (Or hopefully a two door tahoe that they could name Blazer) or Silverado 1500 with one of these! But no, GM had to invest their money into that stupid pile of shit called "Cruze". What a shame.. But maybe my head is just stuck in the 80's cloud..
FANADICALCOWHEAD 10 months ago
Very foolish to disband this engine... GM could have had a real differator here and now Ford has their "Ecoboost" which is not even as good as this but similar in concept on the gasoline powered front. But look how much good press Ford is getting. Wish the powers that be at GM would take a look at these comments and re-visit this engine and design. Also, bring back the Q-Steer and you would have the baddest truck in the land that would blow away Ford entirely.. Are you listening GM?
1fitbluman 1 year ago
@1fitbluman no because that would make too much sense wouldnt it?
GMCman82 11 months ago
Very foolish to disband this engine... GM could have had a real differator here and now for has their "Ecoboost" which is not even as good as this but similar in concept on the gasoline powered front. Wish the powers that be at GM would take a look at these comments and re-visit this engine. Also, bring back the Q-Steer and you would have the baddest truck in the land that would blow away Ford entirely.. Are you listening GM?
1fitbluman 1 year ago
I think they had to dump this in order to get their money from the Government who is pushing hybrids. Otherwise, GM would've brought this nice little diesel to the market in a hurry.
divisioneight 1 year ago
why dont they put this engine into thier SUV's and crossovers?
blaboy2012 1 year ago
@woodman1241 Well theres obviously a reason they stopped making them. But im sure if the 1/2 tons could handle diesel engines then they would have them so obviously theres a reason why they cant be put into 1/2 tons
BM2Hixon 1 year ago
@BM2Hixon It's just a matter of feasability. Our infrastructure in America is geared towards gasoline powered vehicles. Mass produced hybrids and diesels both suffer the same fatal flaw...we just don't have the supplies to market and use both efficiently.
toyoracing89 1 year ago
@toyoracing89 you are an idiot. it is difficult to find a 'gas station' that DOESN'T sell diesel. WTF do you think all those big trucks on the highway are running?
kenfo0 1 year ago
@BM2Hixon Yeah it's called the current economy. If it weren't for the shitty state of the economy, we were supposed to see the 4.5L DMax hit the showroom floor in 2011 or 2012
goattke 1 year ago
a duramax is a sorry excuse for a diesel...if anyone realizes...the duramax diesel is based off a gasoline motor...all they did was put thicker cranks and rods...thats it...the block itself is still just a gasoline block...in other words...any time you want to use the torque at its fullest...all your gonna do is swell the cylinders...now..last i checked...diesels (real diesels) dont need a rebuild till at least 500k miles...and thats just to be on the safe side...a duramax needs a rebuild @ 100k
SebastianLong 1 year ago
@SebastianLong The Duramax is a built from the ground up diesel, not based on a gas engine. The first one's were designed and built by GM in conjunction with Isuzu. The second gen DMax's (the LLY I do believe) were all GM, completely without Isuzu. And what is this you say about a DMax needing a rebuild at 100k? I've seen several of the first gens with over 300k on them with no rebuild. Last time I checked the DMax was a "real diesel" as you put it.
goattke 1 year ago
@goattke you obviously never tore one down...and the 6.5 diesel they put into the military pickup were worse than any diesel EVER produced...the staggering number of hatemail to GM about that motor will prove that...it didnt have the balls to get out of its own way...if you ever get the chance to tear those new 6.2 down...compare it to the gas 327 i believe it is...ONLY difference is the coolant ports are a little bigger...but the overall dimensions are exactly the same as its gas counterpart
SebastianLong 1 year ago
@goattke no they were all built with isuzu..
chevyblows2001 1 year ago
@chevyblows2001 You are right. I did read that after I posted this, although where the design and build of the first gen was MOSTLY Isuzu, if flipped to being MOSTLY GM with the second gen going forward. The new 4.5 showcased in this video however is ALL GM.
goattke 1 year ago
@SebastianLong no, duramax is a real diesel engine, designed by isuzu and built as a diesel from day one. Even the 6.5detroit was a all diesel engine. You have to go back to before the 6.2 detroit to find a gas based diesel engine under the gm banner
Veikra 1 year ago
@SebastianLong your a retard, i have 207,000 miles on my lb7 duramax and not a single thing on or in the motor has broken, and the duramax is not based off any gas engine, there are duramax's over a million miles bud
duramaxin81 10 months ago
@duramaxin81 only 207,000 miles?...im driving a gas 4 cylinder 99 plymouth breeze with more than that on it...207K isnt that much...and show me one of those million mile durafags with over a mill on it...please...i can show you PLENTY of CATS, Cummins, Powerstrokes,and internationals with more than a mill...and if you dont have many pickups with a diesel in it near you...just look inside a big rig...the motors in them are the same producers of the ones in the pickups
SebastianLong 10 months ago
@SebastianLong you clearly stated that a duramax needs a rebuild after 100k, so you just made your self sound like a dumbass. Duramax is a far better motor then any powerstrokes, theres track times and dyno numbers to prove it. The reason there arent many million mile duramax's is because they came out in 2001, give them some time, but i do know of one thats is over a million and one over 750,000 miles. ill find a link just for you.
duramaxin81 10 months ago
@SebastianLong it wont let me post links
duramaxin81 10 months ago
could you put that in a dodge ram 1500?
roadkill666cfh 1 year ago
FUCK ! i was gonna put this 4.5 dirty in my zr2 s10 lol
badassszr2 1 year ago
Sounds like the boys at GM are copying FORD once again!! too bad they are failing once AGAIN!!
kaziwill 1 year ago
@kaziwill chevy coping ford ahah, fod copied chevy budd, the reverse flow heads where on the 4.5 duramax before tthe 6.7 power stroke was ever built, and common rail injection was on the first generation duramax and then ford got common rail injection on there 6.4 and the new 6.7, and aluminum head where on the first generation duramax and now who has them,, the new 6.7 powerstroke, so what has chevy copied from ford budd?
duramaxin81 10 months ago
When will this 4.5 diesel appear in the market, for GM's heavy duty pickups. That's alot of tq and hp for such a little engine. But it's nice, wouldn't mind having one.
Fordman
Fordman903 1 year ago
This technology is exactly what we need. It's about time america has come to the realization of going to diesel power. It all starts with puttin these diesels into the SUVs and 1500's and pretty soon ull see em in many cars instead of fruity hybrids. U get more power than a hybrid and depending on what vehicle application better MPG. whats not to love... If and when you see these on the market you could see one in my driveway.... and this is coming from someone who has bought FORD trucks
znofxz 1 year ago
If gm drops the 6.6 completely, I would be a little pissed. But if this 4.5L was put into half ton models and the 6.6 into 3/4 and full ton models, I could see this being a very big success.
bacon57 1 year ago
@bacon57 I doubt they'd drop the 6.6, they just came out with the best one ever! 765lbft of torque!
dbennett4 1 year ago
camera guy needs to get shot, and for the guys below me.. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!! SHIT ITS A DAMN TRUCK AND YOU LOSERS WANNA FIGHT ABOUT POLITICS?!?!?! GO SUCK A HORSE DICK! FIGHTING ON THE INTERNET IS LIKE THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS, EVEN IF YOU WIN YOUR STILL A RETARD!
america151 1 year ago
Its about time to see a sensible new diesel in a truck.
captwilly428 1 year ago
This needs to happen ASAP!
duramaxtothemax 1 year ago
to grant 4658 ..... U fucking idiot get your head out of ur ass and educate yourself!!! its not republicans that are not making technology like this available to us its u fucking liberal socialist democrats and let me tell u you so called hero's are sucking the life out of us more and more each day dumb shit
shockj2000 1 year ago
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pgtkan03 1 year ago
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pgtkan03 1 year ago 2
@pgtkan03 (p)aid (o)ff retard
psykho15 1 year ago
If GM would have been able to continue on with this engine truck sales would have sky rocketed. Decent HP + decent MPG = sales. Would have probably been good in the Hummers too.
benterprise 2 years ago 2
@benterprise people in hummers still haven't decoded what mpg stands for. so i doubt it would make a remarkable difference in their sales. however i could see this engine being a huge success in the 1500 line up.
BmxDieseldude 1 year ago 2
God damn republicans and their oil hungry, money grubbing handlers will never let technology like this make it to the production line. What a shame...
grant4658 2 years ago
Its so fucking stupid that they killed this engine. hybrids suck!!!
zachmajic89 2 years ago 41
@zachmajic89 u hit the nail on the head with that one buddy.....when are they supposed 2 come out with this
psykho15 1 year ago
@zachmajic89 They did this for 1/2 ton trucks. Depending on the truck you have this 4.5 will bolt right in.
20ALERO02 1 year ago
@zachmajic89 they didn't kill it, they just took it away from north america, the rest of the world has it, if not this, a 4 cyl diesel
296jayce 5 months ago
diesel engines in 1500s are a great idea. more torque, more hauling power in a small pickup is always good and if you can get better fuel economy with it was well there ya go. hell, chip it, stack it, go to town haha
woodman1241 2 years ago 29
@woodman1241 the frame cant take that much torque thats why they dont do it
BM2Hixon 1 year ago
@BM2Hixon why did chevy do it in the 90s then? i've seen rangers with 4bts in them
woodman1241 1 year ago
@woodman1241 possibly do a lift?
94fordf350 1 year ago
@woodman1241 they always kill the best stuff they make, remember the ev1
Veikra 1 year ago
@woodman1241 Amen, brotha!
Couldn't have been said better.
pranastc3 1 year ago
fords coming out next year with one for the f150 and chevy made one in the 90s
woodman1241 2 years ago
Not happeneing thanks to Obama he killed the 4.5l duramax
swamphunter2 2 years ago 3
gotta love gogm- Government owned General motors
woodman1241 2 years ago
Bush killed babies, and stole food from Middle class Americans
Stanger182 1 year ago
youre an idiot. bush is a face. your government did that. its the same government telling obama what to do.
MrNicholasHaynie 1 year ago 2
The old school diesels are dieing slowly and are being replaced by quiet motors i like to hear my truck roar !!!!!
jcbgzlz65 2 years ago 3
eh if you do it right you can still get them to roar like the ford 6.4 wasn't supposed to smoke same with the 09 cummins haha that was a joke lol
woodman1241 2 years ago
They should have this engine on escalade and yukon denali plus 450 HP. Also on Hummer H3s
AdMiRaLeDpIeTt 2 years ago
what a beutifull truck can i have 3
linamar123456 2 years ago
they are only putting the in the 1500s suburbans and the H2s the 6.6 will most likely stay in the 2500 and 3500s
mudder94 2 years ago
its coming out next year...it is suppose to get around 29mpg
lindbejb 2 years ago
i wish they would come out with the motor it would put them even more over the edge of the competition
08AllTerrain 2 years ago
they will not be making the 4.5L Diesel because they needed to cut projects in order to save money. It was either the 4.5L Duramax or the Volt which they have already invested too much money in to scrap the car.
dkulakow 2 years ago
are they still gonna make 6.6's in addition to the 4.5L
txsurfer32 2 years ago
You do need exhaust manifold's, they are just a lot shorter, the plus is that you have one turbo not two which means less weight (not much), faster spool up of turbo, shorter intake length means faster response. You cant run an engine (as it was intended) without the right manifold lengths.
Manufacturing cost would drop buy that much if less casting was needed & only one turbo is needed.
blyndrotor 2 years ago
Not to be that guy, but if you look at the exploded diagram of the parts, you'll see that the block itself has two small ports on either side of the vee where the turbo directly bolts to. There are Zero exhaust manifolds, unless you consider the exhaust routing within the block itself to be a "manifold". But at any rate it will be amazing to see how much it improves turbo lag, something I fight with daily.
born2ryde05 2 years ago
Have you considered getting a hybrid turbo set up to change spool up rate.
Also it probably wouldn't hurt to run a programable boost controller to be able to set the ramp rate.
Take a look at the E-BOOST2 from turbosmart. One of the best boost controllers I know of. Just google it. They will ship to the US.
blyndrotor 2 years ago
well lets see a cummins run a 14.0 1/4 mile off the showroom floor
Rawls89 2 years ago
I read about this reverse air flow a few months ago. hurray for GM, but I still think Cummins RULES, with it's earthwrenching power and proven durability. Chev has come a long way , though, since the wheez/bang (I didn't even make power and my crank broke 6.2/6.5)
brent440 3 years ago
i cant wait for this to come out i was waiting for gm to come out with another diesel for the hummer and the 1500 pickups. i don't care about the environmental stuff; i want huge power and good mpg and "better emissions" i guess.
stealthcorvette 3 years ago 4
HAD a 7.3. Now they have an even crappier 6.4 twin turbo!
39cummins 3 years ago
The problem's are all on For
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
i disagree. the 6.0 may have been crap, but aside from the flamethrower recall, the 6.4 hasnt had any major problems.
i admit, nothin will be as good as the 7.3, but i actually like the 6.4, aside from the fact that its too quiet ;)
Frost131989 3 years ago 2
Yeah, I definitely agree, Europe is light years ahead in diesel tech. The BMW 2 stage turbo, the fact that Audi won Le Mans with a diesel car. Here in the States, you're pretty much limited to a truck. Daimler-Chrysler did attempt to sell the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 3.5L Bluetec engine, and the Jeep Liberty with a 2.8L diesel. Niether sold well, and were cancelled rather soon.
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
What was the blutec engine?
Friend has a jeep with the 2.5VM diesel.
In europe we dont get big V8 diesels in our trucks.
The above engine is about as good as anything in europe, in fact the v8 audi diesel is very similar in spec.
tpvalley 3 years ago
Mercedes builds ALL the Daimler-Chrysler diesels. The Bluetec is Mercedes excellent 3.5L turbo V6 from its sedans. In the States we don't have "big" diesel V8s, either. Ford uses a 6.0L, GM a 6.6, and Dodge uses a 6.7L Straight Six. Unfortunately, the Jeep diesels aren't sold in the US anymore. If you want a diesel car here, your only choices are Mercedes or Volkswagen.
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
The fords r V8 ??
6.0 is big in my world! (UK)
M car is only 1.8!
tpvalley 3 years ago
Ford trucks are. A 6.0L turbo V8 made by International-Harvester. None of the "big three" pickup truck diesel are actually made in-house, GM uses Isuzu, and Dodge uses Cummins. Aside from pickups, diesels are non-existent in the US, which is a crying damn shame. By the way, my 1st car was a 79 VW Rabbit (Golf) 1.5L normally aspirated diesel. All of 48 bhp, but, it got 55-65 mpg!
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
theres bigger than a 6.0 in a ford, they also have a 7.3
ryderZ28 3 years ago
that sounds right, although I always thought GM and Ford could claim a little more credit for some design input, than dodge with the cummins (my favorite).
I used to have an 80 Rabbit diesel, 78mph top speed...instrument cluster vibrating loose like it was going to fall out of the dash......70 foot ash tree later crushed the shit out of the car and I still drove it on the trailer, all scrunched down behind the wheel. ha ha
brent440 3 years ago
Yeah, I loved mine. Mine had 14" GTI Teardrop rims, so the speedo always read about 10 MPH faster
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
It's so unfortunate that the perfect piece of clean, usable technology (the Diesel engine) has been warped by so-called environmentalists, politicians and noisy-engine haters into what new "Diesel" engines are today. With the absurdly high injector pressures, DPFs and computers, these engines can run only on ULSD, not true diesel fuel (vegetable oil)
Kind of funny how diesels are getting so popular, just 2 years after it became illegal to make a proper one.
SakoTGrimes 3 years ago
Virtually no turbo lag with the turbo/intake setup on this, throw that garbage pathetic excuse for saving the environment emssions system out and it will be fast...
Dmaxmoe 3 years ago
glad i got my 6.6L ...
booyahman7 3 years ago
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I pay almost $10 a US gallon for diesel in the UK. Good job my car will do up to 78 MPG then! BTW how is it possible to get so little power from such a huge engine? My mates car has 320 bhp but engine is 2.0l
Anything over 2.0l engine size is silly, should be illegal. Can't beleive GM are still churning out these mass produced under-engineered mosters that probably do less than 30 MPG when here in europe we are making an effort. At least 100 cars available here that do 60 - 100 MPG.
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
Our EPA is more strict, thus a lot of the cars over there dont meet the emmisions standards over here. Plus for some reason the automakers dont want to sell them. The hot ticket now over here is the VW TDI, they are selling like hotcakes, are the price of them has gone up crazy high
By the way, fuel is around 4.70 here now. I drive around a 6200pound truck with a 6.9L turbo diesel, that gets around 18MPG. I'm going to start burning WMO (waste motor oil), cause I'm cheap LOL
FordGuy100 3 years ago
What kind of car does he have?
jreily88 3 years ago
who me? check my vids, you will see. It's a Fiat. Fiat and BMW are bringing out new turbocharged microcars in 2010 that do 100 MPG!
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
wow ur what we like to call a dipshit cow fucker.... its pretty easy to take a GM/chevy 350 ( the most famous engine ever ) and get over 1000 hp out of it , try doin that to your 2.0l with the same budget fuckin dipshit
GMforlife90 3 years ago
I'm not bothered about power, i have enough from my 1.3 turbo diesel. I want economy. The new Ford (wow ford are American!) fiesta does 88 MPG, that impresses me, show me a car designed and built in America that does 88 MPG, not a hybrid, and i will listen.
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
i dont really care about gas prices since all i buy are chevy trucks
GMforlife90 3 years ago
Well you have cheap fuel at $5 a gallon, ours is $8 - $10 a gallon but places in Africa are $18 a gallon. If your fuel hits $18 a gallon, then you will care and besides, it's not about money, it's about our environment, isn't it? Our planet should come before anything else if you ask me.
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
fuck our environment the first thing i'd do to a new duramax is take the exhaust off and put 6 inch stacks with a ppe +_2 chip and smoke em all day
GMforlife90 3 years ago 4
"fuck our environment" fuck you you selfish twat, that's the kind of immature, ignorant attitude we're trying to change. Let me tell you, there are cars out there that do 0-60 in 4 seconds and do over 100 MPG, there are electric cars that emit no pollution at all and still do 0-60 in just over 3 seconds. You don't need to produce pollution to have power. In the future every car will have good performance and use little or no fuel so grow up please, time to catch up, USA is well behind.
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
I'd like to see an electric car tow 17,000 lbs across the country..... not happenin
and the fastest production electric car doesnt break the 4 second 0-60..... dragsters do it in less than 1
GMforlife90 3 years ago 2
so would i and it's not that far from the future. There are already electric trams/trains etc which carry vast amounts of loads across the country. The fact of the matter is, I've been to the states for 2 and a half months all together, and the huge 5+ litre trucks i saw were all carrying one person. As for dragsters, they do 0-110 in 2 seconds but they also do 32 gallons to the mile. Even trucks that tow 30+ tonnes still do around 10 MPG.
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
While diesel is currently more viable than electric vehicles, diesel would be absolutely slaughtered by electric power if they figured out a way to store enough juice in the batteries. Trains use diesel generators to power electric motors, and I'm not sure there's anything in the world that can pull more weight than a train. Don't get me wrong - Diesel Power Forever! - but in terms of torque, a motor will always be able to beat an engine.
SakoTGrimes 3 years ago
dude you are an ignorant piece of shit. you need to think about some things. first off the gas and diesel cars will never be gone due to that single fact of what they can do. but you need to look up cars like the lighting that will smoke almost any gas car out there. so quit being such a prick. you're just doing it for attention and to get people riled up. Hell I'll burn gas all day. but why fight over it.
BBroering 3 years ago
but you have to think that the emissions that the diesel burning cars put out really isn't to bad for the enviroment. it is 100% better than regular gas.
BBroering 3 years ago
No it's not, its burns and produces carbon dioxide the same as petrol cars, the difference is that it goes further, i got 82 MPG the other day! (around 68 miles per US gallon) you won't get that sort of mileage in a petrol car. The emissions are lower true, but not by 100% far from it!
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
The really great thing about diesels is, they offer the possibility of using bio fuels with little to no modification, unlike petrol engines. There's a refinery outside Seattle that refines diesel fuel from canola seeds, the fuel can be burned in any diesel, with no mods, offers higher lubricity, and significantly reduced emissions than either petrol, or regular diesel. Keep in mind, Dr. Diesel's original engine ran on peanut oil.
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
Yes, can you imagine using that in my car? It already has the same emissions as a prius, but with special diesel, it would be even lower. I broke my own record the other day, i got 82 MPG on normal diesel (which is 68 US miles per gallon) not bad eh?
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
That is truly amazing. I wish engines like that were available in the States, but, here you're pretty much limited to a Mercedes, or a truck when it comes to diesels. I hope we'll be seeing more of the smaller displacement European diesels on sale here in the next couple of years. My first car was a '79 VW Rabbit (Golf) 1.5L diesel.
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
You've got the right attitude! Most Americans get angry when i unintentionally offend their cars, mainly because they hate being wrong but mostly because they think Ford/GM/Chrysler are the best cars in the World. I don't disagree entirely but i think they could offer more in terms of fuel economy. Ford for example have just released the new Fiesta which does over 65 US MPG, the very engine that's in my car was developed with GM and is in some GM cars in Europe! Very unfair for you guys i think
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
I know what you mean. Unfortunately, GM made diesel a dirty word here in the states when they released their positively awful 5.7L diesel in the early 70's. Ever since then American companies have shied away from automotive diesels. Personally, I think modern diesels, using bio fuel, could offer a much simpler solution to a lot of environmental and energy problems.
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
People need to realise that modern diesels are cleaner and more efficient than the old noisy dirty oil burners of the 70's. The 1.4 diesel engine by VW (found in the Seat Ibiza, Polo, Golf etc) emits less than 100 grams of
C02 per kilometre! That's a lot less than a Prius, and it does 88 UK MPG. And with diesel of course you have the added benefit of low down torque thanks to the turbo so a big engine in not necessary. Mine is only a 1.3 litre but it has so much pull from 1500 RPM
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
Exactly! In the States, VW offers the 2.0 TDI, and if it wasn't for the TDI badges, you'd never know it was a diesel. No extreme noise, vibration, or smoke. I own a 1990 Mercedes 300D 2.5L turbo, even at that age, it's smooth, quiet, and doesn't put out smoke.
NJHCRevEdge 3 years ago
I agree, diesel has almost overtaken petrol in terms of noise and refinement, some would argue that diesels offer better performance, they certainly have a lot more torque! I think European diesels are better because of a higher demand, Europe has had the chance to develop, refine and evolve the diesel engine for decades now. 60% of all new cars sold here are diesel, people don't buy big cars anymore unless they're diesel, anything over 1.8 litre has to be diesel or people simply won't buy it.
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
30% of an average cars carbn footprint comes from manufacture, worse when we buy from china as they last halfthe time (twice the production CO2 therefore!) and must be shipped.
Keeping an old car may pollute more from exhaust ut if u keep it long enough this is offset.
I am still driving a 1994 ford 1.8td!!
over 50mpg on a good day and over 110mph top speed.
I actually get bettr mpg now I run higher boost and more max fuel!.
tpvalley 3 years ago 2
wouldnt sell here.
GMforlife90 2 years ago
wouldnt sell where?
nelsonn22 2 years ago
gas here is 1.95
GYTRchevy22 3 years ago
is that a reason to waste it? Some people are ignorant enough to ignore the environmental consequences! Even when they can see it happening and there's millions of tests and statistics to back it people, some people still think global warming is a theory!
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
Even though you didnt ask for it, Ill give you an AMEN! :-P
gman4dx266 3 years ago
i wonder how much less it will be than a 2500hd diesel?
kkurt212 3 years ago
Damn, I've got to hold off trading in my old pig another few years!
v8gmc 3 years ago
when diesel gets to 4.00 a gallon in texas, it better get 25 mpg or more!
gm1990ss 3 years ago
When it gets to $4.00 a gallon? Man you must be lucky. It's been $4.15-$4.45 for the last couple of months.
Dixieland350 3 years ago
it finally hit 4.05 here yesterday
dmejia480 3 years ago
stop whining in california around pasadena its 4.65$- 4.80$ a gallon!!
whipman65 3 years ago
quieter???? wtf! i want my diesel to wake the neighborhood damnit!
frosty012 3 years ago
I was reading about these. It's interesting to see that a prototype has been built. I've been playin hell tryin to find out more info, other than it will probably be arriving somewhere around 4th quarter 09 or early 10. Can't wait to see what Ford and Dodge does now.
I, for one, am glad I've got the 6.6. I'm kinda old school in that I'd rather get power from displacement instead of super-boosting and tuning a small block.
crazyk6 4 years ago
The great thing about these engines is they fit in the same space as a GM small block. So with the new rear wheel drive Impalas coming this engine will fit right in. I'm thinking of puttting it in my 94 Chevy Caprice.
ThunderAppeal 4 years ago
are these on the 08 trucks or next years?
Dylan69666 4 years ago
Wow, looks like I have an engine swap ahead of me...
DarkCharisma 4 years ago 3
i want one
kkurt212 4 years ago
Cool
GMDieselpower 4 years ago
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NO BALLS
GOOSEPIMPER 4 years ago
what do you mean no balls?
it has 100 ft/lbs of torque less than fords new twin turbo 6.4 liter. its kind of sad how its almost 2 liters smaller and makes almost the same amount of power.
frankiej510 4 years ago
yeah the 6.6l is right there with teh 6.4 though this engine is tuned to the max botyh the 6.4 and 6.6l are overbuilt meaning they aren't running there full potential
jonxmartini 4 years ago
that may be true but the 4.5 liter duramax seems like a pretty cool idea. its about time GM put a diesel in their suburban. i wish GM used duramax's in their 01 2500 suburbans instead of using the 496. i would be happier with my 2500 if it had a diesel.
frankiej510 4 years ago
oh i agree dodge and ford are doing it to and i cant wait till they come out because im a diesel freak but i don't need or really want anything bigger than a 1/2 ton right now
jonxmartini 4 years ago
i deliever customers cars with my 8.1 liter suburban. it does pretty damn good and since this new suburban has a duramax with more torque i think id definatly buy one.
frankiej510 4 years ago
you'll be getting much better gas millage to
jonxmartini 4 years ago
ha yeah definatly. im not sure what im getting now but i know its not as good as my friends turbo diesel excursion. ill spend just as much filling up my tank as she would. i love my 8 liter but its time to get something more effient, smaller, and smokier ;)
frankiej510 4 years ago
ive been thinking that for many years,just like other people, thinking that they should put siesels in suburbans
993388 3 years ago
GM says they'll be offering the fullsize SUV's with the 6.6 duramax as an option engine in late 2009.
I myself own a '94 Blazer with the older 6.5 turbo diesel (back when GM diesels were made by Detroit) Less power that the 6.6 but it's nice having a diesel in a half ton, still great fuel economy with 300,000km and running strong!
gmc6r 3 years ago
They did, douchebag. mid 80's on, probably earlier as well. Not many people wanted it cuz it was loud as shit.
seagate2020 3 years ago
great new technology
kvidguy 4 years ago
Interesting... Exhaust ports exit in the valley of the block? That means the intake ports are right next to the exhaust ports- Did it have the standard CAC, intercooler and intake routing as the current Duramax?
jawaring 4 years ago
No, It's a DOHC, 4-valve design, and the set of valves on the inside of the V are the exhaust. The outer set are the intake, so the intake ports are on the outside of the V. The intake manifolds are built into the valve covers, or at least that's the description I've read. It's not all that clear.
You can also find photos on the Web of a couple of cutaway display engines, but they're a bit confusing as to exactly what is what and how the plumbing goes together.
Baribrotzer 4 years ago
model year 2010
billygoat7c 4 years ago
when will this motor be available?
bkpigs 4 years ago