@misscoolsally Great! Glad you spend your time trying to get rises out of people. How productive! How about you spend some of that time learning or trying to help people? That's all I was doing. Good health to you!
I can't wait until 20-30 years when all the 20-something paleo pussy-men start dropping like flies from heart disease and malnutrition. Where's your "science" now?
@firenexx Well, for the past 50 years we've been eating as the governments have told us, even though we now know the hypotheses the relied on were untrue...
... and THAT's been raising levels of obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, etc. so the bad advice was obviously NOT working.
And, when people eliminate refined/processed carbs/oils AND eat healthy (yes, animal) fats, their cholesterol ratio improves, triglycerides lower, and they lose weight...
@firenexx Malnutrition, are you serious? Why do you think third world countries are full of malnourished children with round tummies? It's because we send beans a grains over there, simply empty calories with extremely small amounts of poor quality protein. Clearly you have not read the book or looked at the studies. No point in trying to convince you, but I dare you to get your blood lipid profile tested, eat paleo for 30 days, and get retested.
@mmcakes100 haha....pretty sure I didn't say I wanted to know more about the animal fat/paleo diet, without any research anyone can tell its ridiculous just based on common sense! Don't fool yourself, just b/c someone writes a book doesn't mean they know what they are talking about! I'd rather go by results!
So I'll go with the "cherry" picking (pun intended) and keep eating my fruit/carbs!
It's a gross misconception that paleo is totally based around animal meats/fats, it's not. Many paleo people eat far-more veggies/salads, etc. than vegans/vegetarians...
@misscoolsally Common sense? Mimicking what our ancestors ate before the advent of agriculture? That's against common sense? By the way, fruits are part of the paleo diet - but not in huge amounts. The only foods that aren't allowed in Paleo are grains, legumes and by some accounts milk. I challenge you to try Robb's 30 day Paleo challenge, my guess is that you will see improved health all around. If you don't see a positive change, then go back your mega-insulin diet.
@misscoolsally By the way, there is a lot of science behind eating Paleo, and not just worthless epidemiological analyses. I'm talking true biochemical mechanism research as well as double blind studies. Clearly you don't have an open mind, so there's no reason to try to convince you, but I strongly recommend you read Good Calories, Bad Calories and see how/why the USDA has lied to get you to eat dirt cheap processed foods and call them healthy. It's all sham.
@LCHFinCanada I am researching different ways of eating that would be best for overall health. Your comments just make me laugh because you say "studies studies studies" but you don't give examples of anything. You are just criticizing. How could someone say so much but say so little?! I'm confused as to what paleo even is based on you dominating the comments section. I do think a little more carbs in your diet could make your thinking clearer so you were able to make your point though.
@misscoolsally ... if you want to know about the 'diet', get one of Cordain's books, Wolf's book, or Taubes' book. Stop relying on youtube comments to educate yourself. Good Calories Bad Calories (Taubes), The Paleo Diet (Cordain), and The Paleo Answer (Cordain) all explain the science very clearly and back it up with comprehensive (not cherry picked) data.
If eating meat kills humans, then we would have eliminated ourselves as a species eons ago. Most agree that a successful Vegan has to supplement with B vitamins. That seems odd, does any wild animal have to supplement, of course not. Nor should we, we should eat what we're designed to eat.
@dsrtfx77 "...Most agree that a successful Vegan has to supplement with B vitamins..."
Not most, ALL vegan MD's, every-single-one, states you MUST supplement B12. Dr. Neal Barnard used B12 in his studies, Esselstyn recommends B-complex, and McDougall goes so far as to put a B12 warning in EVERY book/video he sells, stating you MUST supplement B12.
Only careless idiots would say you shouldn't. The risks from deficiency are severe.
By definition, a vegan could consume things that are not very healthy, like, a jug of wine or a loaf of bread (refined flour). By definition, a Paleo could consume things that are not very healthy, like, cooked eggs and meat. I eat a plant based diet of fruits, vegs, and nuts, which is called raw veg (or "raw" or 80/10/10). My diet happens to fall as both vegan and paleo. Eating of meat and dairy is killing modern humans. And needlessly torturing animals.
@fvalen001 "Eating of meat and dairy is killing modern humans."
Really? And what is your scientific evidence of this? This is a complete fallacy perpetuated by animal activists.
Vegans are healthier than SAD eaters, yes. BUT The TRUTH is that vegans have HIGHER rates of cancer, especially colo-rectal cancer than healthy meat-eating dieters. (Proven in multiple studies.)
You've listened to propaganda instead of researching the truth.
@fvalen001 "a Paleo could consume things that are not very healthy, like, cooked eggs and meat."
Cooked eggs and meat are incredibly healthy. Compare the nutrients in eggs or liver to apples, see which is more nutritious by volume.
You likely think the saturated fat is bad, right? That's based on a 50 year old DISPROVEN hypothesis. It's even still called "the lipid hypothesis" because it's still unproven, after hundreds of attempts and millions of dollars trying to prove it.
@fvalen001 guess what happens when you INCREASE saturated fat (by eating things like eggs or meat) and DECREASE your intake of refined/processed grains/sugars?
Your cholesterol ratio improves and your triglycerides drop. This is proven in dozens of studies now.
Eating high-carb diets is what's causing poor cholesterol ratios and high-triglycerides, as well as insulin-syndrome, obesity and diabetes.
Paleo isn't about macronutrient ratio. It's about avoiding certain foods: the refined, the processed, the allergens, the toxins. Now, if someone wants to go an extra step and eliminate animal products, I say go for it. It's a wonder someone gets so upset.
It's another wonder that those people -- not only this one -- get so sour when people who eat this way feel great.
This is the last you will hear from me. Some people here like religious fanatics are beyond the point of no return. I pity each and every one of you. Here's to unlimited amounts of greasy blood stained bacon, meat and cheese in the morning!
@BrianP1350 Hi Brian - I fail to see where I've listed anything but science, logic or reason. I'm happy to have slevin provide some evidence to back up his claims, and have invited him to do so.
However, when people make unfounded accusations and contentions, and when asked to back it up do not, I take exception and yes, will state something and make a case.
Sorry if you find that offensive, and I'll keep the hyperbole out of it.
@LCHFinCanada You've made your points very well, and I'm with you on the science, it's just that it appears they have had no effect on creating a more civil or informed discourse and it was simply getting out of control. Thanks for your stellar efforts!
@AlbertaBeefy It was a hypotheses. Apparently some people lack the brains to understand that and their equally dumb fanboys thumb them up for it. You guys are beyond belief. Your low-carb heros are charlatans who are taking you for a ride. You are the laughing stock of intelligent and responsible nutritional scientists. Your GOD Atkins was obese and suffered heart disease. You fail to grasp that animals have feelings, families and hopes and fears just like us and are hunky dory slaughtering them
Really? Low-Carb isn't accepted by proper scientists? You base that on WHAT??? Prove it, derp.
What a ridiculous statement - there are THOUSANDS of articles, studies, etc., showing low-carb to be superior to low-fat in virtually every respect.
Surely with thousands, even tens of thousands of scientists, doctors, and researchers respecting low-carb ... the fact that T.Colin Campbell doesn't makes him absolutely right..
Is that your assertion? You are so blinded by your dogma it's pathetic.
@LCHFinCanada His study is peer-reviewed and respected and has not been dismissed or discredited by real scientists, only charlatans that have hoodwinked you.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 also of note, if Campbell is so brilliant, why couldn't he actually REFUTE his critics?
In fact, he couldn't. And doesn't. It's right on their sites, everything he's said about them is documented, and he actually says they're "impressive" ...
Doesn't refute them at all, because HE CAN'T.
Your both blind and wrong. But keep shouting, it's doing you well so far... everybody's convinced by your outlandish dogma with no science to back it up...
To hold onto the ideals in "The China Study" when the actual data discounts the book is foolish and illogical.
To hold onto the ideals in "The China Study" when other clinical and observational studies can show it incorrect is illogical.
To hold onto the ideals in "The China Study" when several very smart people have debunked it's data, and Campbell can't (and doesn't) refute their claims is just plain silly.
Why would you give weight to ONE doctor over the thousands that disagree? Dogma.
As for studies on vegan diet vs. a healthy diet that includes meat - no, this is not unethical. Spanning 20 years would be impractical, yes. There are other trials going on all the time showing that meat is a healthy part of a diet, and those trials go contrary to some popular belief and to those ideas Campbell holds.
He's also been refuted by many, many scientists. If you knew anything about science, you'd see how unscientific his methods are. But you don't. You know propaganda and dogma.
The fact remains, the China Study is a BOOK. It is based on a project that Campbell was involved in. Yes, Campbell is an animal-activist vegan, and no, he wasn't always.
My qualifications don't matter. The truth does. The truth is, his BOOK cherry-picked data, then used it incorrectly, to show something that wasn't necessarily true. He used it to support his theories, nothing more.
BTW laboratory studies on humans spanning 20 years are both unethical and impracticable so that is why studies and observations are used. It is the best we have got.
I never believed in cruelty to animals. I changed to vegan once my consciousness was raised and I became aware. This is not a matter of fact or belief this is a matter of what is right and wrong. Cruelty to anyone animal or human is abhorrent and you should feel ashamed for holding a wishy washy position of apathy that serves no one any good. The Holocaust of animals is not similar to the Holocaust of the Jews then? Genocide is fine with you since it is a matter of beliefs? You are a disgrace.
It's also important to note most of the world's farming/ranching doesn't involve torture. If all you see is factory farming, I can see how you'd have your attitude. But it stems from ignorance, not the truth.
You can be as sensationalist as you want, slevin, but it doesn't change the facts. Meat is NOT murder. Killing a human would be, yes, but not livestock. And not all ranching involves torture. Sorry to say that is the reality of the world, whether you like it or not.
In China they eat cat and dog. To those mentally backwards people on here would you eat your cat or dog? Why not? You eat cows, chickens, pigs and lambs? You are sickly perverted and your prejudice to animals you eat and don't eat is insane. Animals are my friends. I love life I don't murder it.
In a land where they eat cats and dogs they obviously have different beliefs than we do, and would it be disturbing to some people here? Yes. That doesn't make their belief wrong, it's simply a different culture.
Again, you only have your OPINION here, not facts.
You say you used to believe as I did ... the fact, slevin, is that reality didn't change... your OPINION did. And only that.
Comparing meat-eaters to Hitler shows your lack of understanding of logic.
@LCHFinCanada Tell me what would you say if I wanted to come to your mother and fathers house and slit their throats and eat them because it was my belief that they were the healthiest food in the world? Would you be fine with my beliefs and opinions then? It is a matter of believing in what's right and what's wrong? Your sado masochism is wrong and you are abhorrent to life. Murderer.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 "Tell me what would you say if I wanted to come to your mother and fathers house and slit their throats and eat them"
Folks, you can eat a diet that lets you think like the complete illogical, nonsensical moron above, or one that allows you to think clearly. I think the choice is clear.
Slevin - not to offend you, but again you make nonsensical, illogical arguments. It's NOT the same thing. You're talking about murder, which is very different...
@LCHFinCanada There is nothing illogical in that paragraph. It is a hypotheses not that I expected you to understand that. I used it to show the blatant hypocrisy in a meat-eaters diet. You murder animals who have prospects like we do, feelings like we do, children like we do, homes like we do and then you lie to yourself and say it is hunky dory since it is not murder by definition and that Mcdonalds is tasty. I think lucidly and with a conscious the same clearly can't be said for u. Savage.
If you wish to be Vegan - that's fine with me, and it's medically better than the SAD. However, it should be noted you must supplement anything you're lacking: B12, Iron, Zinc, Calcium, etc. Those are the most common deficiencies in vegans - some even need to adjust their diet to add more protein - depending on the individual and their activity.
Just don't try to say science shows that veganism is the healthiest option - because that is completely and totally untrue and unfounded.
@LCHFinCanada Killing animals is just utterly evil and unnecessary to be part of a healthy diet. I am sure humans would be extremely nutritious so you could say they could be part of a healthy diet except that it is not 'healthy' in the true sense of the world. How can killing an animal with a family and feelings just like us be healthy? I'm vegan for 3 months and am regularly active. Amino acids are in every living food btw so to be protein deficient u really have to be calorie deficient.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 No, it's your opinion it's evil. It is not fact. It is obviously not even amoral let alone evil as there are no laws anywhere in the world against it.
As I said, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is not mine. While I do agree the "factory-farming" so prevalent in the US is neither healthy nor human, I don't agree that eating livestock is evil, and never will.
As for "feelings just like us" there is no evidence of that, scientific or other.
@LCHFinCanada There is plenty of evidence animals feel pain such as horrific screams when they are tortured. Have you every set a cat on fire? Legitimate question seeing as you think its fine. Then come back to me and say he/she doesn't feel any pain you mentally backwards person. Animals have brains and nervous systems that allow feelings of pain.
A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, or that of Tolstoy. The truth is meat and fish are a healthy part of a healthy diet that includes vegetables, nuts, fruits, oils, poultry, eggs, and more.
Science bears that out. Veganism is most certainly healthier than the Standard American Diet, but there is no evidence it is healthier than a healthy diet that includes meat - in fact there's evidence it's LESS healthy.
@LCHFinCanada The question I have is how much more healthy would it be if humans were part of your diet?It comes down to ethics and raising people's consciousness. Trust me when I say that I was once like you. Every single one of us would be vegan if slaughter houses had glass windows. I realise that veganism has not been shown to be the healthiest diet but if done correctly it can be. B12 is an issue for everyone not just vegans. Iron, Zinc, Calcium can all be obtained easily by prudent vegans.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 That's a dumb question. Why would humans be part of my diet? Although there are recorded cannibalistic primitive societies, they usually only resort to such in serious absence of protein.
And FYI, I have TRIED a vegan diet - I tried it for several months, in fact. Pure, 100% vegan diet. It did not work for me. It simply will not work for everyone - just like my diet won't work for everyone.
That's the point - there's more than one healthy diet...
For my part I rather wonder both by what accident and in what state of soul or mind the first man did so, touched his mouth to gore and brought his lips to the flesh of a dead creature, he who set forth tables of dead, stale bodies and ventured to call food and nourishment the parts that had a little before bellowed and cried, moved and lived. How could his eyes endure the slaughter when throats were slit and hides flayed and limbs torn from limb? How could his nose endure the stench?
@LCHFinCanada Thats what Hitler said about the Jews. It wasn't murder since he considered them animals not humans. You are pure evil and you try to justify your evil with a dictionary definition instead of applying morality. Sick.
First, "The China Study" is the name of a book. It's a book written by T.Colin Campbell based on a real study, but where he cherry-picked data to support his animal-activist agenda.
He eliminated entire counties which disprove his theories. He incorrectly used unadjusted data.
It's bad science. It doesn't even fully adhere to the scientific method, and it was observational only.
It's propaganda for vegan animal-activists, nothing more.
@swetec1 Actually, "The China Study" isn't even a study - it's a book, and could almost be called FICTION, to be honest.
Campbell uses data from 'The China Project' ... but he only uses the data that supports his theories, and excludes the China Project data (whole counties worth!) that proves him wrong.
It's a work of fiction, cherry-picked data from a purely observational study to back up his theory. It's not scientific and NOT reputable.
@LCHFinCanada It is a landmark study which has worldwide respect and reputation. Tell me how it could possible be a vegan propaganda book when Campbell was a meat-eater at the time of writing it but then changed after seeing the results? You have zero qualifications and are trying to tarnish a book with lies and a bias on youtube of all places. Why don't you get your contrary views published in a peer-reviewed journal and then dismiss the China Study? Loser.
Campbell's BOOK "The China Study" is not the study. Do you not understand that?
Campbell's BOOK is NOT the study, and both misrepresents and misinterprets the data. Period.
His BOOK is neither landmark nor has worldwide respect EXCEPT with vegans. True scientists without discount it constantly and by the 10's of thousands.
Again, you are entitled to your beliefs, just to purport them to be science because they're just NOT.
@LCHFinCanada Your low carb diet is neither accepted or respected by proper scientists, only charlatans like Rob Wolf and 'heart diseased' Mr. Atkins. It is quite frankly the laughing stock of the nutritional science community.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 My qualifications? Not that I expect somebody closed-minded to believe anything I say, but I originally trained to be a paediatric cardiologist - though eventually settled into another specialty. And you?
@LCHFinCanada Haha and you think you have the authority to dismiss the landmark China Study as a failed pediatric cardiologist. I have no qualifications but I don't propagate bullshit pretending my pseudo science is the truth now do I?
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Wow, you're incredibly opinionated and full of misinformation for someone so dedicated to their cause.
I never failed anything. I simply work in a different field now - still in the medical field, just not paediatric cardiology. BTW, it's spelled with the "a" - please get it right.
And yes, I can easily dismiss the China Study - the China Study is a BOOK, nothing more, based off a project of research.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 The BOOK, "The China Study" uses some data from the China Project - data carefully chosen to support Campbell's theories.
Unfortunately, he omits entire counties of data from the book which disprove his theories.
There's other issues with the study as well. I suggest you read Chris Masterjohn's critique of it - as a PhD candidate in the field he's quite able to refute it, and does.
I'm sorry, but you believe an animal-activist using bogus data.
@AyatollahKhomeini How do you justify killing innocent animals? It is a heinous crime, It is murder. You have no answer, The China Study proves that switching to a plant based diet is the healthiest approach. You were never a vegan because they would never talk this crap. GTFO
@AyatollahKhomeini How exactly do you justify exterminating animals. Hitler couldn't do it with the Jews. You brand animals as inferior and he did the same with the Jews...? BTW you are probably one unhealthy bastard and I am way healthier than you.
@AyatollahKhomeini Well science is beginning to prove conclusively that switching to a plant based/wholegrain diet is the best and healthiest diet. Your pseudo science paleo bullcrap is abhorrent to proper nutritional science and your hero Atkins has been accused of malpractice by many people. He also was obese and suffered a heart attack. But hey I know you love it when you get told that eating as much meat, butter and bacon is the healthiest approach. Haha. You are in the deluded minority
@AyatollahKhomeini You are proposing a a further increase in your Hitler-esque extermination of animals and saying it is good for the environment. GTFO you utter buffoon.
@AyatollahKhomeini Americans are the highest consumers of meat in the world and the most obese and stupid. If everyone in America turned to fruit/veg and whole-grains all obesity problems would be eliminated. Whole-grains are proven to lower blood-pressure levels and help in preventing heart disease. Refined carbs are not good for you.
@AyatollahKhomeini So our teeth evolved to be able to sink into a cow in a field, our movement evolved so we can catch a chicken by ourselves(without machinery)? BULLCRAP.
@AyatollahKhomeini Yes B12 is naturally occurring in the human body. You are wrong. Everyone over 50 is recommended to take VB12 supplements. Veganism is healthier and more evironmentally sustainable than anything else. You are a paleo-meat eating charlatan who proposes to eat nature as opposed to make love with it, work hand in hand with it and then says that will cause the destruction of nature. LMFAO you utter idiot. Buffoon
@AyatollahKhomeini Vitamin B12 is a naturally occurring substance in our bodies. Get informed and then you can decide what is optimal and what is not. Tell me this do you think humans teeth were designed to bite into a cow? Or suck the tits of a cow? C'mon wake up.
@AyatollahKhomeini It is recommended that people over the age of 50 take B12 supplements vegan or otherwise. 100% vegans are not deficient in B12 if they do not take supplements. Simply not true.
The diet might work, it might be healthy. However, it is an unsustainable diet for people to convert to from an environmental perspective.. sooo, morally i do not support all this paleo stuff. Plenty other ethical ways to heave a healthy body without harming animals/environment
@brentpeltier What evidence do you have to support this claim? Because there's plenty of evidence to support the opposite. Most of current agriculture is not sustainable with all the pesticides and chemicals used on food and ruining our topsoil. There have been examples where free-roaming cattle were used to actually restore barren land back to lush grassy pastures. I hear the Vegetarian Myth has some good info, it's on my to-read list. Do some research and you'll see we've been lied to.
@jgmachine I appreciate the level-headed retort. I don't have a bunch of evidence to share, just some thoughts. If everyone dropped factory farming for free range, i feel like the land mass we would have to dedicate would be massive. Also, if the animals are eating grains all their lives, i would simply rather eat those grains than the animals (way more food). I think the overconsumption of meat in general is an inappropriate diet for the huge population our world now has to feed
@brentpeltier Humans don't take grains well. Also, starvation is a symptom. Overpopulation is the cause. Without addressing the cause, treating the symptom doesn't work. That is the reason why I don't like some vegan preachers, they always focus on the symptom and never address the underlying cause. Plus they use misinformation and fear tactics.
@90Rush Humans don't take meat well. We are not designed to go sink our teeth into cows and then suck their tits we are designed to eat apples and lettuce.
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Lack of vegetables, excess processed food, sugar, vegetable oil, gluten, genetically modified corn and soy, lack of exercise, lack of sleep, stress, lack of time spent outdoors and etc are much bigger issues for most people. Most people need to address these problems first, then we can talk about meat.
Otherwise, the so called 'health debates' between vegetarian and omnivore, or between vegan and paleo community are pointless.
@brentpeltier In fact, I believe that paleo diet is a very loose idea of what people should avoid to be healthy. Vegetable oils, genetically modified/unfermented soy, too much grains, refined carbs and sugar, processed food and etc. Most makes sense. Then, if you want to go one step further and drop meat from the diet, that's entirely up to you. It takes some planning, but it should work.
@90Rush About humans not taking grains well, we don't necessarily need to eat grains in particular. We could use the land that currently feeds livestock for other things in general, fruits, vegetables, etc.. You are right, i agree that overpopulation is the cause of most problems we are facing. However, controlling this problem is completely out of my hands, so the symptoms are all i have to work with. I'm not trying to sound like a preachy vegan, just giving my opinion, like everyone else
@brentpeltier And I wasn't saying that you're a preachy vegan. Some vegans, whether on the internet, in books, in documentaries, always ignore the cause and that kind of pisses me off.
Me? For me, I plan to have one child only, and tell others to have fewer children.
eat all that fat free junk.. it's full of sugar and made us fat and diabetic.. Before i heard any of this I have gone back to this sort of diet... and I have lost 25 pounds and i an on no meds my numbers are GREAT.. so do what you need to.. and you don't need to buy anything of his if you think it is a get rich thing... Do your own thing and get off the sugar and all the refind junk and see what happend to you health and body... I'm poof.. this works..
It doesn't matter what the "Solution" is. If you believe everything you fall for anything. Can't you see all these people are just looking to get rich. It's all about the money at the end. Sure it'll probably better your health but at the end of the day all these "experts" just want to be number one and become wealthy. It's part of the weight loss/health industry and we all fall for it.
@Ragerizer I hear what you're saying about this, but one of the things that really drew me to the paleo lifestyle is that it seemed like it wasn't really trying to sell me anything. Sure, some people are putting information out there and selling books and whatnot, but you don't need them to live the lifestyle. You can find the information online for free and live it without giving any paleo advocates any of your money. The science really seems to back it up and I've seen the results first hand.
@AyatollahKhomeini Our anatomy (GI tract, jaw structure, hands, eyes) is best suited for eating ripe colorful fruit. If we were really meant to eat flesh, why do we have to cook it. WE are the only animals that do this. I know you think you are right, but structure (that has evolved hundreds of thousands of years) begets function, and our function is to eat lots of fruits and greens....and to spread love and compassion. Peace!!
@AyatollahKhomeini Chimps are our closest LIVING releative, and we share many similarities with them. As far as B12 go, we would naturally get this from our soil; but, with the cleaning and depletion of our soil, B12 not present in our modern diet. I don't mind taking a B12 supplement if it means not killing my animal friends. By the way, many people hwo eat animal products are also B12 deficient (it is not a vegan problem).
@AyatollahKhomeini When the vegan diet is properly followed based on our evolution, we are frugivores. If someone eats a vegan diet incorrectly, they will most likely suffer. Many vegans do consume junk food and too many fatty foods (like nuts). When we follow a high fruit vegan diet (with greens and a small amount of nuts and seeds), our health benefits soar!! And, we do NOT have to go against our natural love for animals by harming and killing them. It is truly a win-win way of life.
A: Protein increase IGF1 and GH - which has been proven to decrease lifespan in rodents
B: Meat cannot fill all B vitamin requirements - see profiles of all grains which have rich amounts of minerals including mangenese and magnesium, 'harder'to get in meats
C: Many vegetable have more 'so called sugar' than wholegrains - brocolli 3grams per 100 grams spelt pasta 0.8grams per 100 grams! Granted there
So I have been on the Paleo diet (following Robb Wolfs recipes) for nearly three weeks now. The result thus far: My energy level throughout the day is a lot more even. My gut is not bloated after eating. I am getting leaner. And most importantly: my hypoglycemia is under control!! No more nasty shakes, fatigue and weakness triggered by low blood sugar level. What a wonderful feeling! I plan to stick to this diet for a few more weeks. So far I am Paleo diet enthusiastic :o)
@datzfast (1) About a year ago I had a blood analysis done and got the confirmation that I have low blood sugar. I was specifically advised to avoid wheat (gluten), corn, kidney and lima beans; eat fresh veggies as snacks, increase fiber intake, avoid carbs, and make protein the staple in my diet. I was not very consistent. It was difficult 'cos in our household we consumed all the delicious "forbidden" food. It was not until my hubby bought the Paleo solution book and got me interested.
@datzfast (2) We started reading about a chapter a day (how romantic, huh? LOL). I soon realized that the suggestions I got earlier from my nutritionist pretty much go hand in hand with Robb Wolf’s book. This was the breaking point! I decided to give the Paleo diet the 30 day trial. Till this day, things are going great. Most of the food we eat is made in our kitchen, and we also hit the gym about 3 times a week. My hubby is on this diet too, and in his 40s he is forming a six pack!! ;o)
@datzfast (3) Final comment that made my day: I recently I met up a friend that I haven't seen for over one month. She commented that I have slimed down and toned up quite a bit. So not only I reap the benefit of feeling healthier, but apparently I also look “healthier” :o)
hey eveybody, im a paleo eating man for life. i hope it pisses you off that im eating expensive food. in fact i will spend all my money on expensive food and skip all the new cars, vacations , health spending ect that might have given you a job. i will watch you die of illness.and thake pleasuse in the fact that you wanted me to be one of you.
The myth of paleo has already been busted. It is ranked dead last by nutritionists for every major reason one would go on a diet: diabetes, obesity, fitness, nutrients, etc.
Folks, it is diseased, so cavemen learned to cook it. But, we know something that cavemen did not: cooking it causes more disease.
Face it, it is unhealthy, unnatural, and wrong to torture and slaughter other animals for pleasure. If you like this "livestyle" your body will reflect it.
hey eveybody, im a paleo eating man for life. i hope it pisses you off that im eating expensive food. in fact i will spend all my money on expensive food and skip all the new cars, vacations , health spending ect that might have given you a job. i will watch you die of illness.and thake pleasuse in the fact that you wanted me to be one of you.
stick to that NWO food pyrimid are die of man made diseases
Hey there! Have you ever tried intellectus 424 diet (do a google search)? Ive heard some unbelivable things about it and my sister lost crazy amounts of weight with it.
if one takes the number of calories consumed by the average human in 1950 and using that number of calories to divide the calories produced as food for humans today we see immediately that we humans at present day levels could easily feed 9 billion people that are projected to be alive in 2050. nobody need to go on a pig feed lot diet or use any additional land for food production. Only leftist politicians with eveil agenda (Baby killers) will twist your arm to think otherwise.
@datzfast We can't even feed the people on the planet today. The majority of food goes to fatten livestock. This livestock is consumed by a minority of people on Earth. Face it, we have to find a new way. I found it! Have you?
@FathomlessJoy the calories consumed by man today would feed 9 billion in 1950.All mankind is homo diabeticus. you are clearly under the influence of the new world order. its going tp be impossible for you to do your own thinking. you are being told how to think.its very sad for me to see a one time proud human species reduced to livestock status. my species has gotten fat. simply too much food
@datzfast New world order, lol. The current world order wants your brain mushed by meat and spends billions in advertising to get your to believe it is good for you. To the contrary, everyone thinks like you, everyone. They all want their rotting flesh and will make up any lie, justification, rationalization, to get it.
Try this for a simple world order: stop torturing sentient beings for your petty pleasure. This alone, if folks would see the truth and stop, would feed the world overnight.
@FathomlessJoy hey eveybody, im a paleo eating man for life. i hope it pisses you off that im eating expensive food. in fact i will spend all my money on expensive food and skip all the new cars, vacations , health spending ect that might have given you a job. i will watch you die of illness.and thake pleasuse in the fact that you wanted me to be one of you.
@datzfast Meat is not food. It's rot; it's dead. It takes 2-3 days to break down rotting flesh. All that prized protein you claim is so good, has to be processed for days, broken back up into its original form, amino acids, then reassembled as protein. This is no way to THRIVE. My body digests my meals in less than 12 hours, every meal, every day. Being free to digest whole, raw, glorious nutrients like this, the body can do marvelous things - repair scars, grow new skin, generate muscle, etc...
@FathomlessJoy look , you are going to get very sick someday, just try to remember some of the things that are food issues. when you get sick look at your diet as the problem. stop trying to eat like a cow. its unhealthy for you. those healthy oats will reduce your cholesterol even if you shove them up your asshole. they aslo are the best floor sweep made. if i drop an egg on the floor pour dry oats on them.
@datzfast I have heard those lies all my life, they are nothing new. Sad that you still believe them. But here is the truth: it is wrong to torture animals for food; it is unhealthy to eat rotting flesh. Takes a man with man sized balls to stop repeating lies and start looking at the truth. Enjoy your little lies.
@FathomlessJoy i dont know what religion tells you its wrong to eat meat, are you a hindu? because they die of heart attacks i digest meat i dont eat rotting meat. you may already be ill and are searching the you tube channel for help.
@datzfast I'm a man; I don't need religions to see the truth; I don't need some authority over me to tell me not to torture animals and eat rot.
I find those who use scare tactics like this, blind to the tremendous documented healthy effects of animal-free diet, are merely trying to control others. I'm not under your control, I think your fear tactics are petty and laughable.
Now, meat clearly starts rotting the second the animal's heart stops. BUT true carnivores actually like it rotten.
@Fathomless Joy you cant attach a rotted finger three hours latter. some people are ignorant others are not. and do you know what a human stomach does?what do you think hydrochloric acid and an acid stable pepsin enzyme do? well they dont have any effect on a sugar coated stomach and starches are unaffected. oils dont change either but animal protein is chemically degraded within 20 minutes. you need to call that rotting so you dont look foolish but your audience is clueless.
@datzfast Knowing about bio-chemistry, then you know that the pre-digested protein eaten in rotting animal parts has to be broken down into amino acids, then re-synthesized into protein again. While this process takes place, which takes days, the meat is still rotting, which is why true carnivores have very short digestive tracts. Human digestive tracts are longer than carnivores. The body is smart, tough, adaptive and deals with it for a while, but eventually it collapses. How long do you have?
i have been paleo eating for one month. diabetes gone, rumatiod arthritis gone, eye glasses gone. direaha gone(unless i try to cheat and eat dairy) 20 pounds of fat gone, hunger gone, depression gone( of course it gone, im not dying now) 55 more pounds to go and i will start an exercise program of rowing on a river. i have lost the same twenty pounds on starvation diet and none of these effects were noted. starve a sick man and you have a starving sick man.
@datzfast i have been paleo eating for one month...20 pounds of fat gone" You should enter the guiness book of records, because that is at least 3x the quickest possible fat reduction ever heard of it. Most people who have for more education and experience in health and fitness than me say 1 pound of fat per week is alot.
@datzfast I do know that those who are very heavy and bloated can initially have a fast drop in weight, but the fat takes much longer to burn. Now, are you sure you didn't merely lose bloat fom water weight? If you actually lost 20 lbs of fat in 30 days, market that shit! The highest I have heard of if 1.5 lbs per week, but not sustained for months, since the body goes into shock. The world needs to know how you did this!
My true suspicion is that you are new to paleo and rather zealous.
As if we can feed a population of 9 Billion (projected population of world by 2050) with meat! :) Do you have any idea how much grazing land/environmental impact cattle etc take? Do some research into that and then explain how the world (China India etc) can move to western levels of meat consumption. I'd be *fascinated* to see how that's possible? :) Maybe high levels of meat in Paleo times worked but ain't going to work now!
@Johnyuleanderson I suspect you are trying to project the model used by western agriculture. CAFO, Corn, etc... A grassland ecology is extremely productive and would have no problem supplying tons, literally, of chicken, beef, bison, pig, rabbit etc.... I suggest you look at Polyface Farms or other grass farmers. That isn't to say we should eat 2lbs of meat a day per person but things like Raw food vegan isn't the right answer either.
@MichaelnChristine all cattle in the USA are grass fed beef, its only during the feed lot fatttening of the last 2 months of a beef life is it feed a corn diet. lots of reasons why. One, if not corn feed the consumer can taste the weeds the animal has eaten.
@datzfast Bull. Corn makes the meat less healthy, less flavorful, greasy and does nothing for the flavor, nothing negative. Source: A family that raised cattle, pigs, and chickens for generations.
@Michael Christine fact is im the one that understands US cattle industry standards. you just feel you do. you feel that weed tasting lean beef taste good for everybody. but it seems there is little demand for your kind and the flavor you enjoy.now who is pathetic?
@datzfast More ad hominem because the truth isn't working. The market in the US is driven by cheap. Thanks to US subsidies corn is cheap, so we make an inferior product because it's...say it...cheap. The fact is that Grass finished beef is considered premium and sells for premium prices direct from the farm. Source: My family does it for a living. If you have facts great, if not I'm calling troll on this convo.
@MichaelnChristine so you price gouge the consumer with cheap grass fed beef skiping the expensive fatting process. lovely how elese are you stealing from the stupid masses?
@datzfast Fatty beef tastes better because it's fatty not because it's good for you. You are supposed to like the taste of fat because that's one of the things we need to survive but the amount and the type we are getting is unhealthy. Grass fed beef is the most natural therefore the healthiest.
@mmcakes100 lol wasn't trying....you are just hostile, that is no way to try to help people!
misscoolsally 2 days ago
@mmcakes100 hehe, wow sure got a rise out of you!
misscoolsally 3 days ago
@misscoolsally Great! Glad you spend your time trying to get rises out of people. How productive! How about you spend some of that time learning or trying to help people? That's all I was doing. Good health to you!
mmcakes100 3 days ago
I can't wait until 20-30 years when all the 20-something paleo pussy-men start dropping like flies from heart disease and malnutrition. Where's your "science" now?
firenexx 5 days ago
@firenexx Well, for the past 50 years we've been eating as the governments have told us, even though we now know the hypotheses the relied on were untrue...
... and THAT's been raising levels of obesity, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, etc. so the bad advice was obviously NOT working.
And, when people eliminate refined/processed carbs/oils AND eat healthy (yes, animal) fats, their cholesterol ratio improves, triglycerides lower, and they lose weight...
There's the science.
LCHFinCanada 4 days ago
@firenexx Malnutrition, are you serious? Why do you think third world countries are full of malnourished children with round tummies? It's because we send beans a grains over there, simply empty calories with extremely small amounts of poor quality protein. Clearly you have not read the book or looked at the studies. No point in trying to convince you, but I dare you to get your blood lipid profile tested, eat paleo for 30 days, and get retested.
mmcakes100 3 days ago
@mmcakes100 haha....pretty sure I didn't say I wanted to know more about the animal fat/paleo diet, without any research anyone can tell its ridiculous just based on common sense! Don't fool yourself, just b/c someone writes a book doesn't mean they know what they are talking about! I'd rather go by results!
So I'll go with the "cherry" picking (pun intended) and keep eating my fruit/carbs!
misscoolsally 6 days ago
@misscoolsally fyi, fruit and carbs are totally paleo.
It's a gross misconception that paleo is totally based around animal meats/fats, it's not. Many paleo people eat far-more veggies/salads, etc. than vegans/vegetarians...
The science IS with them...
LCHFinCanada 4 days ago
@misscoolsally Common sense? Mimicking what our ancestors ate before the advent of agriculture? That's against common sense? By the way, fruits are part of the paleo diet - but not in huge amounts. The only foods that aren't allowed in Paleo are grains, legumes and by some accounts milk. I challenge you to try Robb's 30 day Paleo challenge, my guess is that you will see improved health all around. If you don't see a positive change, then go back your mega-insulin diet.
mmcakes100 3 days ago
@misscoolsally By the way, there is a lot of science behind eating Paleo, and not just worthless epidemiological analyses. I'm talking true biochemical mechanism research as well as double blind studies. Clearly you don't have an open mind, so there's no reason to try to convince you, but I strongly recommend you read Good Calories, Bad Calories and see how/why the USDA has lied to get you to eat dirt cheap processed foods and call them healthy. It's all sham.
mmcakes100 3 days ago
@LCHFinCanada I am researching different ways of eating that would be best for overall health. Your comments just make me laugh because you say "studies studies studies" but you don't give examples of anything. You are just criticizing. How could someone say so much but say so little?! I'm confused as to what paleo even is based on you dominating the comments section. I do think a little more carbs in your diet could make your thinking clearer so you were able to make your point though.
misscoolsally 1 week ago
@misscoolsally ... if you want to know about the 'diet', get one of Cordain's books, Wolf's book, or Taubes' book. Stop relying on youtube comments to educate yourself. Good Calories Bad Calories (Taubes), The Paleo Diet (Cordain), and The Paleo Answer (Cordain) all explain the science very clearly and back it up with comprehensive (not cherry picked) data.
mmcakes100 6 days ago
@mmcakes100 thank you - you said basically what I would have.
LCHFinCanada 4 days ago
If eating meat kills humans, then we would have eliminated ourselves as a species eons ago. Most agree that a successful Vegan has to supplement with B vitamins. That seems odd, does any wild animal have to supplement, of course not. Nor should we, we should eat what we're designed to eat.
dsrtfx77 3 weeks ago
@dsrtfx77 "...Most agree that a successful Vegan has to supplement with B vitamins..."
Not most, ALL vegan MD's, every-single-one, states you MUST supplement B12. Dr. Neal Barnard used B12 in his studies, Esselstyn recommends B-complex, and McDougall goes so far as to put a B12 warning in EVERY book/video he sells, stating you MUST supplement B12.
Only careless idiots would say you shouldn't. The risks from deficiency are severe.
BTW studies show 80% of vegans are b12 deficient.
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
By definition, a vegan could consume things that are not very healthy, like, a jug of wine or a loaf of bread (refined flour). By definition, a Paleo could consume things that are not very healthy, like, cooked eggs and meat. I eat a plant based diet of fruits, vegs, and nuts, which is called raw veg (or "raw" or 80/10/10). My diet happens to fall as both vegan and paleo. Eating of meat and dairy is killing modern humans. And needlessly torturing animals.
fvalen001 4 weeks ago
@fvalen001 "Eating of meat and dairy is killing modern humans."
Really? And what is your scientific evidence of this? This is a complete fallacy perpetuated by animal activists.
Vegans are healthier than SAD eaters, yes. BUT The TRUTH is that vegans have HIGHER rates of cancer, especially colo-rectal cancer than healthy meat-eating dieters. (Proven in multiple studies.)
You've listened to propaganda instead of researching the truth.
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
@fvalen001 "a Paleo could consume things that are not very healthy, like, cooked eggs and meat."
Cooked eggs and meat are incredibly healthy. Compare the nutrients in eggs or liver to apples, see which is more nutritious by volume.
You likely think the saturated fat is bad, right? That's based on a 50 year old DISPROVEN hypothesis. It's even still called "the lipid hypothesis" because it's still unproven, after hundreds of attempts and millions of dollars trying to prove it.
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
@fvalen001 guess what happens when you INCREASE saturated fat (by eating things like eggs or meat) and DECREASE your intake of refined/processed grains/sugars?
Your cholesterol ratio improves and your triglycerides drop. This is proven in dozens of studies now.
Eating high-carb diets is what's causing poor cholesterol ratios and high-triglycerides, as well as insulin-syndrome, obesity and diabetes.
The science on the subject is clear.
LCHFinCanada 3 weeks ago
When Robb mentioned he switched his diet to one that made him sick before he found paleo... what diet was that that made him sick?
jackidoe1 1 month ago
Paleo isn't about macronutrient ratio. It's about avoiding certain foods: the refined, the processed, the allergens, the toxins. Now, if someone wants to go an extra step and eliminate animal products, I say go for it. It's a wonder someone gets so upset.
It's another wonder that those people -- not only this one -- get so sour when people who eat this way feel great.
90Rush 1 month ago
This is the last you will hear from me. Some people here like religious fanatics are beyond the point of no return. I pity each and every one of you. Here's to unlimited amounts of greasy blood stained bacon, meat and cheese in the morning!
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
O.K., LuckynumberSlevin11 and LCHFinCanada, please either cut the hyperbole and attacks or wrap it up, otherwise I'll need to moderate comments.
BrianP1350 1 month ago
@BrianP1350 Hi Brian - I fail to see where I've listed anything but science, logic or reason. I'm happy to have slevin provide some evidence to back up his claims, and have invited him to do so.
However, when people make unfounded accusations and contentions, and when asked to back it up do not, I take exception and yes, will state something and make a case.
Sorry if you find that offensive, and I'll keep the hyperbole out of it.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada You've made your points very well, and I'm with you on the science, it's just that it appears they have had no effect on creating a more civil or informed discourse and it was simply getting out of control. Thanks for your stellar efforts!
BrianP1350 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Isn't slevin the guy that said that you should eat humans, and said wants to go to your house, kill your parents and eat them?
Yeah, he's worth listening to.
Nutjob without a clue, that one.
AlbertaBeefy 1 month ago 2
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@AlbertaBeefy It was a hypotheses. Apparently some people lack the brains to understand that and their equally dumb fanboys thumb them up for it. You guys are beyond belief. Your low-carb heros are charlatans who are taking you for a ride. You are the laughing stock of intelligent and responsible nutritional scientists. Your GOD Atkins was obese and suffered heart disease. You fail to grasp that animals have feelings, families and hopes and fears just like us and are hunky dory slaughtering them
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
Really? Low-Carb isn't accepted by proper scientists? You base that on WHAT??? Prove it, derp.
What a ridiculous statement - there are THOUSANDS of articles, studies, etc., showing low-carb to be superior to low-fat in virtually every respect.
Surely with thousands, even tens of thousands of scientists, doctors, and researchers respecting low-carb ... the fact that T.Colin Campbell doesn't makes him absolutely right..
Is that your assertion? You are so blinded by your dogma it's pathetic.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
cholesterol-and-health(dot)com/China-Study.html
If you can find any flaws in this, please do so. However, there aren't any.
Campbell doesn't even refute him. And he's quite credentialed, thank you. And thousands of doctors, nutritionists, etc., have read and agree with him.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
@LCHFinCanada His study is peer-reviewed and respected and has not been dismissed or discredited by real scientists, only charlatans that have hoodwinked you.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 And your credentials are? First, his BOOK isn't the study.
Period.
And EVERY SCIENTIST IN THE WORLD KNOWS that observational studies prove nothing.
Why don't you know that?
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 also of note, if Campbell is so brilliant, why couldn't he actually REFUTE his critics?
In fact, he couldn't. And doesn't. It's right on their sites, everything he's said about them is documented, and he actually says they're "impressive" ...
Doesn't refute them at all, because HE CAN'T.
Your both blind and wrong. But keep shouting, it's doing you well so far... everybody's convinced by your outlandish dogma with no science to back it up...
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
To hold onto the ideals in "The China Study" when the actual data discounts the book is foolish and illogical.
To hold onto the ideals in "The China Study" when other clinical and observational studies can show it incorrect is illogical.
To hold onto the ideals in "The China Study" when several very smart people have debunked it's data, and Campbell can't (and doesn't) refute their claims is just plain silly.
Why would you give weight to ONE doctor over the thousands that disagree? Dogma.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
As for studies on vegan diet vs. a healthy diet that includes meat - no, this is not unethical. Spanning 20 years would be impractical, yes. There are other trials going on all the time showing that meat is a healthy part of a diet, and those trials go contrary to some popular belief and to those ideas Campbell holds.
He's also been refuted by many, many scientists. If you knew anything about science, you'd see how unscientific his methods are. But you don't. You know propaganda and dogma.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
Slevin, you can believe whatever you wish.
The fact remains, the China Study is a BOOK. It is based on a project that Campbell was involved in. Yes, Campbell is an animal-activist vegan, and no, he wasn't always.
My qualifications don't matter. The truth does. The truth is, his BOOK cherry-picked data, then used it incorrectly, to show something that wasn't necessarily true. He used it to support his theories, nothing more.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
BTW laboratory studies on humans spanning 20 years are both unethical and impracticable so that is why studies and observations are used. It is the best we have got.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
I never believed in cruelty to animals. I changed to vegan once my consciousness was raised and I became aware. This is not a matter of fact or belief this is a matter of what is right and wrong. Cruelty to anyone animal or human is abhorrent and you should feel ashamed for holding a wishy washy position of apathy that serves no one any good. The Holocaust of animals is not similar to the Holocaust of the Jews then? Genocide is fine with you since it is a matter of beliefs? You are a disgrace.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
It's also important to note most of the world's farming/ranching doesn't involve torture. If all you see is factory farming, I can see how you'd have your attitude. But it stems from ignorance, not the truth.
You can be as sensationalist as you want, slevin, but it doesn't change the facts. Meat is NOT murder. Killing a human would be, yes, but not livestock. And not all ranching involves torture. Sorry to say that is the reality of the world, whether you like it or not.
VegansDontLikeTruth 1 month ago
In China they eat cat and dog. To those mentally backwards people on here would you eat your cat or dog? Why not? You eat cows, chickens, pigs and lambs? You are sickly perverted and your prejudice to animals you eat and don't eat is insane. Animals are my friends. I love life I don't murder it.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
In a land where they eat cats and dogs they obviously have different beliefs than we do, and would it be disturbing to some people here? Yes. That doesn't make their belief wrong, it's simply a different culture.
Again, you only have your OPINION here, not facts.
You say you used to believe as I did ... the fact, slevin, is that reality didn't change... your OPINION did. And only that.
Comparing meat-eaters to Hitler shows your lack of understanding of logic.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Tell me what would you say if I wanted to come to your mother and fathers house and slit their throats and eat them because it was my belief that they were the healthiest food in the world? Would you be fine with my beliefs and opinions then? It is a matter of believing in what's right and what's wrong? Your sado masochism is wrong and you are abhorrent to life. Murderer.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 "Tell me what would you say if I wanted to come to your mother and fathers house and slit their throats and eat them"
Folks, you can eat a diet that lets you think like the complete illogical, nonsensical moron above, or one that allows you to think clearly. I think the choice is clear.
Slevin - not to offend you, but again you make nonsensical, illogical arguments. It's NOT the same thing. You're talking about murder, which is very different...
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada There is nothing illogical in that paragraph. It is a hypotheses not that I expected you to understand that. I used it to show the blatant hypocrisy in a meat-eaters diet. You murder animals who have prospects like we do, feelings like we do, children like we do, homes like we do and then you lie to yourself and say it is hunky dory since it is not murder by definition and that Mcdonalds is tasty. I think lucidly and with a conscious the same clearly can't be said for u. Savage.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
If you wish to be Vegan - that's fine with me, and it's medically better than the SAD. However, it should be noted you must supplement anything you're lacking: B12, Iron, Zinc, Calcium, etc. Those are the most common deficiencies in vegans - some even need to adjust their diet to add more protein - depending on the individual and their activity.
Just don't try to say science shows that veganism is the healthiest option - because that is completely and totally untrue and unfounded.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Killing animals is just utterly evil and unnecessary to be part of a healthy diet. I am sure humans would be extremely nutritious so you could say they could be part of a healthy diet except that it is not 'healthy' in the true sense of the world. How can killing an animal with a family and feelings just like us be healthy? I'm vegan for 3 months and am regularly active. Amino acids are in every living food btw so to be protein deficient u really have to be calorie deficient.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 No, it's your opinion it's evil. It is not fact. It is obviously not even amoral let alone evil as there are no laws anywhere in the world against it.
As I said, you are entitled to your opinion, but it is not mine. While I do agree the "factory-farming" so prevalent in the US is neither healthy nor human, I don't agree that eating livestock is evil, and never will.
As for "feelings just like us" there is no evidence of that, scientific or other.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada *humane* not human, LOL. typo.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada There is plenty of evidence animals feel pain such as horrific screams when they are tortured. Have you every set a cat on fire? Legitimate question seeing as you think its fine. Then come back to me and say he/she doesn't feel any pain you mentally backwards person. Animals have brains and nervous systems that allow feelings of pain.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.
—Leo Tolstoy, Russian novelist (1828–1910)
Comment.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Again, that is an opinion.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, or that of Tolstoy. The truth is meat and fish are a healthy part of a healthy diet that includes vegetables, nuts, fruits, oils, poultry, eggs, and more.
Science bears that out. Veganism is most certainly healthier than the Standard American Diet, but there is no evidence it is healthier than a healthy diet that includes meat - in fact there's evidence it's LESS healthy.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada The question I have is how much more healthy would it be if humans were part of your diet?It comes down to ethics and raising people's consciousness. Trust me when I say that I was once like you. Every single one of us would be vegan if slaughter houses had glass windows. I realise that veganism has not been shown to be the healthiest diet but if done correctly it can be. B12 is an issue for everyone not just vegans. Iron, Zinc, Calcium can all be obtained easily by prudent vegans.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 That's a dumb question. Why would humans be part of my diet? Although there are recorded cannibalistic primitive societies, they usually only resort to such in serious absence of protein.
And FYI, I have TRIED a vegan diet - I tried it for several months, in fact. Pure, 100% vegan diet. It did not work for me. It simply will not work for everyone - just like my diet won't work for everyone.
That's the point - there's more than one healthy diet...
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Humans are a great source of nutrients. Why don't you eat them?
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada I am not surprised a mentally backwards person like yourself couldn't do a vegan diet. It requires intelligence and prudence.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Wow, you are sure opinionated and rude. As well as just wrong and ignorant. Blocked.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
For my part I rather wonder both by what accident and in what state of soul or mind the first man did so, touched his mouth to gore and brought his lips to the flesh of a dead creature, he who set forth tables of dead, stale bodies and ventured to call food and nourishment the parts that had a little before bellowed and cried, moved and lived. How could his eyes endure the slaughter when throats were slit and hides flayed and limbs torn from limb? How could his nose endure the stench?
-Plutarch
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
And to the people who think killing animals is MURDER. Please buy a dictionary. Murder is the act of intentionally killing another human being.
You can't murder livestock.
Derp.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Thats what Hitler said about the Jews. It wasn't murder since he considered them animals not humans. You are pure evil and you try to justify your evil with a dictionary definition instead of applying morality. Sick.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Your argument is completely nonsensical.
How am I evil for eating livestock? It's no different than eating fish, eggs or carrots. It's something raised for food.
Your OPINION is that to YOU it's evil - that's only an opinion, not fact.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
First, "The China Study" is the name of a book. It's a book written by T.Colin Campbell based on a real study, but where he cherry-picked data to support his animal-activist agenda.
He eliminated entire counties which disprove his theories. He incorrectly used unadjusted data.
It's bad science. It doesn't even fully adhere to the scientific method, and it was observational only.
It's propaganda for vegan animal-activists, nothing more.
It's also thoroughly debunked.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
@LCHFinCanada "The China Study" is not a real study, it's a observation. BIG difference!
What you are saying is so true. There is no evidence for a vegan diet at all.
swetec1 1 month ago
@swetec1 It is a study.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@swetec1 Vegatarians live longer than meat eaters. Look up the Linda University study.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@swetec1 Actually, "The China Study" isn't even a study - it's a book, and could almost be called FICTION, to be honest.
Campbell uses data from 'The China Project' ... but he only uses the data that supports his theories, and excludes the China Project data (whole counties worth!) that proves him wrong.
It's a work of fiction, cherry-picked data from a purely observational study to back up his theory. It's not scientific and NOT reputable.
It's a vegan propaganda book, that's IT.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada It is a landmark study which has worldwide respect and reputation. Tell me how it could possible be a vegan propaganda book when Campbell was a meat-eater at the time of writing it but then changed after seeing the results? You have zero qualifications and are trying to tarnish a book with lies and a bias on youtube of all places. Why don't you get your contrary views published in a peer-reviewed journal and then dismiss the China Study? Loser.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 BTW the actual study was impressive, yes.
Campbell's BOOK "The China Study" is not the study. Do you not understand that?
Campbell's BOOK is NOT the study, and both misrepresents and misinterprets the data. Period.
His BOOK is neither landmark nor has worldwide respect EXCEPT with vegans. True scientists without discount it constantly and by the 10's of thousands.
Again, you are entitled to your beliefs, just to purport them to be science because they're just NOT.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Your low carb diet is neither accepted or respected by proper scientists, only charlatans like Rob Wolf and 'heart diseased' Mr. Atkins. It is quite frankly the laughing stock of the nutritional science community.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Tell me what are your qualifications?
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 My qualifications? Not that I expect somebody closed-minded to believe anything I say, but I originally trained to be a paediatric cardiologist - though eventually settled into another specialty. And you?
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LCHFinCanada Haha and you think you have the authority to dismiss the landmark China Study as a failed pediatric cardiologist. I have no qualifications but I don't propagate bullshit pretending my pseudo science is the truth now do I?
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Wow, you're incredibly opinionated and full of misinformation for someone so dedicated to their cause.
I never failed anything. I simply work in a different field now - still in the medical field, just not paediatric cardiology. BTW, it's spelled with the "a" - please get it right.
And yes, I can easily dismiss the China Study - the China Study is a BOOK, nothing more, based off a project of research.
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LCHFinCanada 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 The BOOK, "The China Study" uses some data from the China Project - data carefully chosen to support Campbell's theories.
Unfortunately, he omits entire counties of data from the book which disprove his theories.
There's other issues with the study as well. I suggest you read Chris Masterjohn's critique of it - as a PhD candidate in the field he's quite able to refute it, and does.
I'm sorry, but you believe an animal-activist using bogus data.
LCHFinCanada 1 month ago 2
@AyatollahKhomeini The intelligent and informed nutritional science community piss themselves laughing at your low-carb paleo diet. Comment.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Really? Show us the evidence.
swetec1 1 month ago
@swetec1 Hey eat all the bacon, meat, an cheese you want. Real good for you! Hahaha.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Maybe you should become a psychologist.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini It is morally superior and healthier.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini How do you justify killing innocent animals? It is a heinous crime, It is murder. You have no answer, The China Study proves that switching to a plant based diet is the healthiest approach. You were never a vegan because they would never talk this crap. GTFO
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini How exactly do you justify exterminating animals. Hitler couldn't do it with the Jews. You brand animals as inferior and he did the same with the Jews...? BTW you are probably one unhealthy bastard and I am way healthier than you.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Well science is beginning to prove conclusively that switching to a plant based/wholegrain diet is the best and healthiest diet. Your pseudo science paleo bullcrap is abhorrent to proper nutritional science and your hero Atkins has been accused of malpractice by many people. He also was obese and suffered a heart attack. But hey I know you love it when you get told that eating as much meat, butter and bacon is the healthiest approach. Haha. You are in the deluded minority
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini You are proposing a a further increase in your Hitler-esque extermination of animals and saying it is good for the environment. GTFO you utter buffoon.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Americans are the highest consumers of meat in the world and the most obese and stupid. If everyone in America turned to fruit/veg and whole-grains all obesity problems would be eliminated. Whole-grains are proven to lower blood-pressure levels and help in preventing heart disease. Refined carbs are not good for you.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini So our teeth evolved to be able to sink into a cow in a field, our movement evolved so we can catch a chicken by ourselves(without machinery)? BULLCRAP.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Yes B12 is naturally occurring in the human body. You are wrong. Everyone over 50 is recommended to take VB12 supplements. Veganism is healthier and more evironmentally sustainable than anything else. You are a paleo-meat eating charlatan who proposes to eat nature as opposed to make love with it, work hand in hand with it and then says that will cause the destruction of nature. LMFAO you utter idiot. Buffoon
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Veganism can be a very healthy diet.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Vitamin B12 is a naturally occurring substance in our bodies. Get informed and then you can decide what is optimal and what is not. Tell me this do you think humans teeth were designed to bite into a cow? Or suck the tits of a cow? C'mon wake up.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@AyatollahKhomeini It is recommended that people over the age of 50 take B12 supplements vegan or otherwise. 100% vegans are not deficient in B12 if they do not take supplements. Simply not true.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
Impressive.
CarnivoreJuice 1 month ago
The diet might work, it might be healthy. However, it is an unsustainable diet for people to convert to from an environmental perspective.. sooo, morally i do not support all this paleo stuff. Plenty other ethical ways to heave a healthy body without harming animals/environment
brentpeltier 4 months ago
@brentpeltier What evidence do you have to support this claim? Because there's plenty of evidence to support the opposite. Most of current agriculture is not sustainable with all the pesticides and chemicals used on food and ruining our topsoil. There have been examples where free-roaming cattle were used to actually restore barren land back to lush grassy pastures. I hear the Vegetarian Myth has some good info, it's on my to-read list. Do some research and you'll see we've been lied to.
jgmachine 4 months ago
@jgmachine I appreciate the level-headed retort. I don't have a bunch of evidence to share, just some thoughts. If everyone dropped factory farming for free range, i feel like the land mass we would have to dedicate would be massive. Also, if the animals are eating grains all their lives, i would simply rather eat those grains than the animals (way more food). I think the overconsumption of meat in general is an inappropriate diet for the huge population our world now has to feed
brentpeltier 4 months ago
@brentpeltier Humans don't take grains well. Also, starvation is a symptom. Overpopulation is the cause. Without addressing the cause, treating the symptom doesn't work. That is the reason why I don't like some vegan preachers, they always focus on the symptom and never address the underlying cause. Plus they use misinformation and fear tactics.
90Rush 3 months ago
@90Rush Tell me this how can you justify killing animals when you can live a healthy and vital life otherwise?
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@90Rush Humans don't take meat well. We are not designed to go sink our teeth into cows and then suck their tits we are designed to eat apples and lettuce.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@LuckynumberSlevin11 Lack of vegetables, excess processed food, sugar, vegetable oil, gluten, genetically modified corn and soy, lack of exercise, lack of sleep, stress, lack of time spent outdoors and etc are much bigger issues for most people. Most people need to address these problems first, then we can talk about meat.
Otherwise, the so called 'health debates' between vegetarian and omnivore, or between vegan and paleo community are pointless.
90Rush 1 month ago
@90Rush I don't agree they are much bigger issues but issues of similar importance. I agree with your point though.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
@brentpeltier In fact, I believe that paleo diet is a very loose idea of what people should avoid to be healthy. Vegetable oils, genetically modified/unfermented soy, too much grains, refined carbs and sugar, processed food and etc. Most makes sense. Then, if you want to go one step further and drop meat from the diet, that's entirely up to you. It takes some planning, but it should work.
90Rush 3 months ago
@90Rush About humans not taking grains well, we don't necessarily need to eat grains in particular. We could use the land that currently feeds livestock for other things in general, fruits, vegetables, etc.. You are right, i agree that overpopulation is the cause of most problems we are facing. However, controlling this problem is completely out of my hands, so the symptoms are all i have to work with. I'm not trying to sound like a preachy vegan, just giving my opinion, like everyone else
brentpeltier 3 months ago
@brentpeltier And I wasn't saying that you're a preachy vegan. Some vegans, whether on the internet, in books, in documentaries, always ignore the cause and that kind of pisses me off.
Me? For me, I plan to have one child only, and tell others to have fewer children.
90Rush 3 months ago
eat all that fat free junk.. it's full of sugar and made us fat and diabetic.. Before i heard any of this I have gone back to this sort of diet... and I have lost 25 pounds and i an on no meds my numbers are GREAT.. so do what you need to.. and you don't need to buy anything of his if you think it is a get rich thing... Do your own thing and get off the sugar and all the refind junk and see what happend to you health and body... I'm poof.. this works..
meblonde01 4 months ago 4
It doesn't matter what the "Solution" is. If you believe everything you fall for anything. Can't you see all these people are just looking to get rich. It's all about the money at the end. Sure it'll probably better your health but at the end of the day all these "experts" just want to be number one and become wealthy. It's part of the weight loss/health industry and we all fall for it.
Ragerizer 4 months ago
@Ragerizer I hear what you're saying about this, but one of the things that really drew me to the paleo lifestyle is that it seemed like it wasn't really trying to sell me anything. Sure, some people are putting information out there and selling books and whatnot, but you don't need them to live the lifestyle. You can find the information online for free and live it without giving any paleo advocates any of your money. The science really seems to back it up and I've seen the results first hand.
jgmachine 4 months ago
@jgmachine You are a fool deceived by charlatans who make their living off you.
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
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@AyatollahKhomeini Our anatomy (GI tract, jaw structure, hands, eyes) is best suited for eating ripe colorful fruit. If we were really meant to eat flesh, why do we have to cook it. WE are the only animals that do this. I know you think you are right, but structure (that has evolved hundreds of thousands of years) begets function, and our function is to eat lots of fruits and greens....and to spread love and compassion. Peace!!
jr5star 4 months ago
@jr5star Peace and good on you. Sad how the truth these days is flagged by fools,
LuckynumberSlevin11 1 month ago
this guy got brain from denise minger, so i gotta at least give him credit for that
DeniseMingerSwallows 4 months ago
@AyatollahKhomeini Chimps are our closest LIVING releative, and we share many similarities with them. As far as B12 go, we would naturally get this from our soil; but, with the cleaning and depletion of our soil, B12 not present in our modern diet. I don't mind taking a B12 supplement if it means not killing my animal friends. By the way, many people hwo eat animal products are also B12 deficient (it is not a vegan problem).
jr5star 4 months ago
@AyatollahKhomeini When the vegan diet is properly followed based on our evolution, we are frugivores. If someone eats a vegan diet incorrectly, they will most likely suffer. Many vegans do consume junk food and too many fatty foods (like nuts). When we follow a high fruit vegan diet (with greens and a small amount of nuts and seeds), our health benefits soar!! And, we do NOT have to go against our natural love for animals by harming and killing them. It is truly a win-win way of life.
jr5star 4 months ago
@AyatollahKhomeini however, it doesn't cure the ego-centric human mind that believes it is OK to kill another life to benefit another
jr5star 4 months ago
you can also gain health by going vegan....and, you can feel good knowing that you are living a moral and ethical life. Go Vegan!!
jr5star 4 months ago
Are Paleo dieters kidding themselves?
A: Protein increase IGF1 and GH - which has been proven to decrease lifespan in rodents
B: Meat cannot fill all B vitamin requirements - see profiles of all grains which have rich amounts of minerals including mangenese and magnesium, 'harder'to get in meats
C: Many vegetable have more 'so called sugar' than wholegrains - brocolli 3grams per 100 grams spelt pasta 0.8grams per 100 grams! Granted there
is more complex carbs in grains.....
philipjterry 4 months ago
been paleo 60 days, lost 30 lbs, my younger hot smoking wife thinks its awsome, her sugar daddy looks younger.
datzfast 5 months ago
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@datzfast LOL. Why are you shilling like this? It is hysterical, so please don't stop, it just raises a lot of questions.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
So I have been on the Paleo diet (following Robb Wolfs recipes) for nearly three weeks now. The result thus far: My energy level throughout the day is a lot more even. My gut is not bloated after eating. I am getting leaner. And most importantly: my hypoglycemia is under control!! No more nasty shakes, fatigue and weakness triggered by low blood sugar level. What a wonderful feeling! I plan to stick to this diet for a few more weeks. So far I am Paleo diet enthusiastic :o)
CzKoTe 5 months ago
@CzKoTe congradulations tell me was it a medical condition that led you to this diet? .
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast (1) About a year ago I had a blood analysis done and got the confirmation that I have low blood sugar. I was specifically advised to avoid wheat (gluten), corn, kidney and lima beans; eat fresh veggies as snacks, increase fiber intake, avoid carbs, and make protein the staple in my diet. I was not very consistent. It was difficult 'cos in our household we consumed all the delicious "forbidden" food. It was not until my hubby bought the Paleo solution book and got me interested.
CzKoTe 5 months ago
@datzfast (2) We started reading about a chapter a day (how romantic, huh? LOL). I soon realized that the suggestions I got earlier from my nutritionist pretty much go hand in hand with Robb Wolf’s book. This was the breaking point! I decided to give the Paleo diet the 30 day trial. Till this day, things are going great. Most of the food we eat is made in our kitchen, and we also hit the gym about 3 times a week. My hubby is on this diet too, and in his 40s he is forming a six pack!! ;o)
CzKoTe 5 months ago
@datzfast (3) Final comment that made my day: I recently I met up a friend that I haven't seen for over one month. She commented that I have slimed down and toned up quite a bit. So not only I reap the benefit of feeling healthier, but apparently I also look “healthier” :o)
CzKoTe 5 months ago
@CzKoTe nothing wrong with eating better than ever, forever
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast Yep, I agree.
CzKoTe 5 months ago
Meat: it's what's rotting in your colon.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
hey eveybody, im a paleo eating man for life. i hope it pisses you off that im eating expensive food. in fact i will spend all my money on expensive food and skip all the new cars, vacations , health spending ect that might have given you a job. i will watch you die of illness.and thake pleasuse in the fact that you wanted me to be one of you.
datzfast 5 months ago
The myth of paleo has already been busted. It is ranked dead last by nutritionists for every major reason one would go on a diet: diabetes, obesity, fitness, nutrients, etc.
Folks, it is diseased, so cavemen learned to cook it. But, we know something that cavemen did not: cooking it causes more disease.
Face it, it is unhealthy, unnatural, and wrong to torture and slaughter other animals for pleasure. If you like this "livestyle" your body will reflect it.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
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hey eveybody, im a paleo eating man for life. i hope it pisses you off that im eating expensive food. in fact i will spend all my money on expensive food and skip all the new cars, vacations , health spending ect that might have given you a job. i will watch you die of illness.and thake pleasuse in the fact that you wanted me to be one of you.
stick to that NWO food pyrimid are die of man made diseases
datzfast 5 months ago
Hey there! Have you ever tried intellectus 424 diet (do a google search)? Ive heard some unbelivable things about it and my sister lost crazy amounts of weight with it.
komriable 5 months ago
if one takes the number of calories consumed by the average human in 1950 and using that number of calories to divide the calories produced as food for humans today we see immediately that we humans at present day levels could easily feed 9 billion people that are projected to be alive in 2050. nobody need to go on a pig feed lot diet or use any additional land for food production. Only leftist politicians with eveil agenda (Baby killers) will twist your arm to think otherwise.
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast We can't even feed the people on the planet today. The majority of food goes to fatten livestock. This livestock is consumed by a minority of people on Earth. Face it, we have to find a new way. I found it! Have you?
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy the calories consumed by man today would feed 9 billion in 1950.All mankind is homo diabeticus. you are clearly under the influence of the new world order. its going tp be impossible for you to do your own thinking. you are being told how to think.its very sad for me to see a one time proud human species reduced to livestock status. my species has gotten fat. simply too much food
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast New world order, lol. The current world order wants your brain mushed by meat and spends billions in advertising to get your to believe it is good for you. To the contrary, everyone thinks like you, everyone. They all want their rotting flesh and will make up any lie, justification, rationalization, to get it.
Try this for a simple world order: stop torturing sentient beings for your petty pleasure. This alone, if folks would see the truth and stop, would feed the world overnight.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
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@FathomlessJoy hey eveybody, im a paleo eating man for life. i hope it pisses you off that im eating expensive food. in fact i will spend all my money on expensive food and skip all the new cars, vacations , health spending ect that might have given you a job. i will watch you die of illness.and thake pleasuse in the fact that you wanted me to be one of you.
datzfast 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy i have seen your new world order food pyrimid. you fools hate meat dont you.
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast Meat is not food. It's rot; it's dead. It takes 2-3 days to break down rotting flesh. All that prized protein you claim is so good, has to be processed for days, broken back up into its original form, amino acids, then reassembled as protein. This is no way to THRIVE. My body digests my meals in less than 12 hours, every meal, every day. Being free to digest whole, raw, glorious nutrients like this, the body can do marvelous things - repair scars, grow new skin, generate muscle, etc...
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy meat is digested within 30 minutes by enzymes. go to a college.dont let meat rot outside the body, its wasteful
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast Wrong. Nice try tho, sparky.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy look , you are going to get very sick someday, just try to remember some of the things that are food issues. when you get sick look at your diet as the problem. stop trying to eat like a cow. its unhealthy for you. those healthy oats will reduce your cholesterol even if you shove them up your asshole. they aslo are the best floor sweep made. if i drop an egg on the floor pour dry oats on them.
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast I have heard those lies all my life, they are nothing new. Sad that you still believe them. But here is the truth: it is wrong to torture animals for food; it is unhealthy to eat rotting flesh. Takes a man with man sized balls to stop repeating lies and start looking at the truth. Enjoy your little lies.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy i dont know what religion tells you its wrong to eat meat, are you a hindu? because they die of heart attacks i digest meat i dont eat rotting meat. you may already be ill and are searching the you tube channel for help.
datzfast 5 months ago
@datzfast I'm a man; I don't need religions to see the truth; I don't need some authority over me to tell me not to torture animals and eat rot.
I find those who use scare tactics like this, blind to the tremendous documented healthy effects of animal-free diet, are merely trying to control others. I'm not under your control, I think your fear tactics are petty and laughable.
Now, meat clearly starts rotting the second the animal's heart stops. BUT true carnivores actually like it rotten.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
@FathomlessJoy sorry you feel so threatened, i wont eat you , i still have choices. one more time, what religion makes killing your food wrong?
datzfast 5 months ago
@Fathomless Joy you cant attach a rotted finger three hours latter. some people are ignorant others are not. and do you know what a human stomach does?what do you think hydrochloric acid and an acid stable pepsin enzyme do? well they dont have any effect on a sugar coated stomach and starches are unaffected. oils dont change either but animal protein is chemically degraded within 20 minutes. you need to call that rotting so you dont look foolish but your audience is clueless.
datzfast 5 months ago
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@datzfast Knowing about bio-chemistry, then you know that the pre-digested protein eaten in rotting animal parts has to be broken down into amino acids, then re-synthesized into protein again. While this process takes place, which takes days, the meat is still rotting, which is why true carnivores have very short digestive tracts. Human digestive tracts are longer than carnivores. The body is smart, tough, adaptive and deals with it for a while, but eventually it collapses. How long do you have?
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
i have been paleo eating for one month. diabetes gone, rumatiod arthritis gone, eye glasses gone. direaha gone(unless i try to cheat and eat dairy) 20 pounds of fat gone, hunger gone, depression gone( of course it gone, im not dying now) 55 more pounds to go and i will start an exercise program of rowing on a river. i have lost the same twenty pounds on starvation diet and none of these effects were noted. starve a sick man and you have a starving sick man.
datzfast 6 months ago
@datzfast You and I are the only non-trolls on this page bro. Wtf is it with people? I've never read so much retarded crap.
MichaelnChristine 6 months ago
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@datzfast i have been paleo eating for one month...20 pounds of fat gone" You should enter the guiness book of records, because that is at least 3x the quickest possible fat reduction ever heard of it. Most people who have for more education and experience in health and fitness than me say 1 pound of fat per week is alot.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
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@datzfast I do know that those who are very heavy and bloated can initially have a fast drop in weight, but the fat takes much longer to burn. Now, are you sure you didn't merely lose bloat fom water weight? If you actually lost 20 lbs of fat in 30 days, market that shit! The highest I have heard of if 1.5 lbs per week, but not sustained for months, since the body goes into shock. The world needs to know how you did this!
My true suspicion is that you are new to paleo and rather zealous.
FathomlessJoy 5 months ago
Within two years I bet Robb Wolf will become really famous....
Tailflap 8 months ago 3
I wonder if your teeth get stronger ???
ThePhantomLash 8 months ago
loved the book! I just started I feel so much better already
lpsnowchic21 8 months ago
Thanks Robb! I feel alive now :)
Issaquan5 9 months ago
As if we can feed a population of 9 Billion (projected population of world by 2050) with meat! :) Do you have any idea how much grazing land/environmental impact cattle etc take? Do some research into that and then explain how the world (China India etc) can move to western levels of meat consumption. I'd be *fascinated* to see how that's possible? :) Maybe high levels of meat in Paleo times worked but ain't going to work now!
Johnyuleanderson 9 months ago
@Johnyuleanderson I suspect you are trying to project the model used by western agriculture. CAFO, Corn, etc... A grassland ecology is extremely productive and would have no problem supplying tons, literally, of chicken, beef, bison, pig, rabbit etc.... I suggest you look at Polyface Farms or other grass farmers. That isn't to say we should eat 2lbs of meat a day per person but things like Raw food vegan isn't the right answer either.
MichaelnChristine 8 months ago
@MichaelnChristine all cattle in the USA are grass fed beef, its only during the feed lot fatttening of the last 2 months of a beef life is it feed a corn diet. lots of reasons why. One, if not corn feed the consumer can taste the weeds the animal has eaten.
datzfast 6 months ago
@datzfast Bull. Corn makes the meat less healthy, less flavorful, greasy and does nothing for the flavor, nothing negative. Source: A family that raised cattle, pigs, and chickens for generations.
MichaelnChristine 6 months ago
@MichaelnChristine im sorry you have no taste
datzfast 6 months ago
@datzfast Facts are facts and pathetic attempts at the ad hominem still don't make you right. LOL
MichaelnChristine 6 months ago
@Michael Christine fact is im the one that understands US cattle industry standards. you just feel you do. you feel that weed tasting lean beef taste good for everybody. but it seems there is little demand for your kind and the flavor you enjoy.now who is pathetic?
datzfast 6 months ago
@datzfast More ad hominem because the truth isn't working. The market in the US is driven by cheap. Thanks to US subsidies corn is cheap, so we make an inferior product because it's...say it...cheap. The fact is that Grass finished beef is considered premium and sells for premium prices direct from the farm. Source: My family does it for a living. If you have facts great, if not I'm calling troll on this convo.
MichaelnChristine 6 months ago
@MichaelnChristine so you price gouge the consumer with cheap grass fed beef skiping the expensive fatting process. lovely how elese are you stealing from the stupid masses?
datzfast 6 months ago
@datzfast Tolol.... I'm done.
MichaelnChristine 6 months ago
@datzfast Fatty beef tastes better because it's fatty not because it's good for you. You are supposed to like the taste of fat because that's one of the things we need to survive but the amount and the type we are getting is unhealthy. Grass fed beef is the most natural therefore the healthiest.
karenofski 6 months ago