I love ma wee man 8 years now loves to hunt never got stuck and is a pure wee hunter chunk is his name and hes one hell of a Border Terrier may best friend
Fantastic little dogs, Border terriers. Always have a spade or shovel in case they don't emerge, although sometimes they will hours later. Block the entrance if you go looking for help or tools.....the dog could emerge while you're gone and wander away. And don't let your dog enter an undiggable earth......like rock or stone quarries, unless you have access to heavy equipment. Shovels and picks won't move heavy stone, and the dog could be hopelessly trapped.
@Hako2004 The dog could be trapped after blocking the entrance while you go for help or tools also. Why do you recommend blocking your dog in a rabbit hole? Very bad advice.
@Tatooinedragracer no it's not.. if the dog's trapped anyway, especially if it has a collar on, then it's stuck either way, until you dig it out...
How was it bad advice? besides, you're getting a shovel, and it's not like you're going to be days getting it. If he/she gets stuck, it doesnt matter, cos you're about to dig it out anyway.
@Hako2004 and do this in the UK like how this guy is, you can get arrested for hunting with dogs, trespassing, damage of farmers field, and cruelty to animals.
our queens's border terries was missing int a rabbit hole for a few days. The costs of bringing her back was around 300.000 euro's becarefull with it.
my border terrier killed my sisters rabbit wen the lock on the (rabbits) cage was faulty (it was new) the rabbit got out wen we were away :-( at least it was painless
i apologise for treating you like an idiot, but you have said some pretty funny stuff, like digging was a royal sport lol, that one made me giggle. although it has always been a little bit of a sideline to the hunt in most places, but it was never a royal sport, always done by a servant etc. and how you were sure that your shiba could tackle a ferret lol, i'm sure she could but who wants that, i spose its just a distance thing, you didnt know what ferreting was, so you can be forgiven for that.
have a look around, they are great little dogs, a little more breeding for work has gone into them than breeding for show so they are pretty varied etc but nonethe less if you want a game dog you wont go wrong with a pat.
borders arent as game as they used to be, still fairlly game but you might want to consider a patterdale terrier, not sure whether they have them in the US. probably called fell terriers over there, the short haired ones are good looking enough and generally called pats. whereas long haired ones are generally called fell terriers, but its interchangeable since they are the same dog.
well i dont know whether the person was just dumb or wether the dog was smart, and outclassing doesnt mean in an intellectual way, just in a practical way, you explain something to someone, you expect them to get it, this guy did not and was made completely obselete by the dog, throughout the day.
well you obviously dont, yes you know about dog training, but you dont know about hunting dogs, you dont consider hunting dogs to be working dogs, a terrier that goes to ground at no point considers it a game, except maybe to start with, if he does that he will get hurt, simple.
i dont train terriers mate. i have trained my dog to a high standard but give him a pretty free reign when he comes out, he is old and not originally a hunting dog, i have also trained a few lurchers.
everything has to learn, i am not talking about a puppy, i am talking about an 11 to 15 month old dog in the stage that is best to start it out hunting.
how can you equate a dogs intelligence to a humans, its a totally different brain ruled by instinct. you just get smart dogs and dumb dogs like all humans, is it equivalent to a three year old retard or a genius?
have you ever been to britain and seen a british hedgerow? if you have then you will understand why you would need a dog, if not then, i will explain, hedgerows are thick and purse nets tangle on everything, also they are not always rabbit proof, and if left a rabbit will kick itself free, so the dog is there to hold the rabbit in the net until you get there, or to catch bolters (rabbits that miss nets)
you truly do know nothing about what your talking about, yes no dog is born knowing what to kill, but it has to have the mental capacity to learn. overly game bred dogs will destroy rabbits and hares. dogs with alot of bull blood are prone to this, as are alot of terrier crosses, they are overly aggressive with all quarry. dont apologize to me for your inability to understand what a working dog is.
shiba's are baying dogs mate, as are most dogs meant to hunt bigger and more dangerous animals.
exactly, if you and the dog go out with the specific intention of hunting, whatever animal then it is work, have you ever seen a lurcher at work? it is extremely concentrated, it is thinking about what its doing, either waiting for a bolt or marking up, there are alot of things you seem to be unaware of but you continue making 'know it all' type comments.
your dogs are badly trained if they kill cats. never heard of stock breaking then, or are you just another pet dog owner that doesnt have control of there pets, here in britain farmer have serious problems with people like you, and working dog owners get the blame, the dog has to know what not to kill.
o.k. mr smartypants, and why on earth would i want a ferreting dog that takes out ferrets, that would kind of ruin the whole thing. google ferreting and read a little bit.
have you heard of prey sense? this is something that here in britain we breed for, we breed animals for intelligence, anyway message sent etc we can continue this without character limits.
killing is not specific to terriers, it is better that the terrier has some brains about it and doesnt get itself hurt, lurchers have to know what to kill and what not to kill, i.e. a rabbit hare or pheasant should be delivered unharmed to hand, but a deer fox or even a rat should be attacked with full venom and finished asap to avoid injury. some dogs will not make the distinction and will destroy rabbits and hares, these are not well bred dogs.
most dogs will chase but i have seen plenty of dogs gib on a fox, half or a quarter of the weight of themselves. i would rather have a dog earn its keep than sit around at home and pissing about like a puppy all the time, theres is something much nicer about seeing a mature dog that does its job well. your sheeba for instance would make a shit ferreting dog. the dog has to learn the job. chasing and killing is not the only job. lurcher work is extremely varied.
get out more man, go and work your dogs and see if they stand up to it. if you dont work dogs you cant talk, and when i say work i mean hunt using them as an efficient companion. a dog is more useful than another human ever is, this is why it is called work, i consider it work for myself when i engage in pest control and the dog joining me is also at work. of course you train it, recal stay sit, stock breaking, etc, but it comes down to the dog to actually do the job.
you do not train a dog to go to ground, you breed him to, a dog will only go to ground if it wants to. the people that i know who dig to thier dogs would without a doubt consider it work, the dog is required to do a job that is a necessity. i do not hunt for my every meal, i do not have the time or the freezer space. a lurcher cannot be trained to chase, it either will or it wont. it all comes down to breeding in the end.
i dont think im better than you, i do not know how bad the ground was, all i know is that it was frozen, it could have easily been much harder, i have personally never dug ground so hard that six inches was a problem, but these guys obviously did. this argument started with me saying it was a mistake to allow two terriers to ground, and you contradicted me, then you went on to say that putting 2 dogs to ground was a mistake, make your mind up.
my dog doesnt kill foxes. he is a pet, i work with regularly all types of hunting/working dogs, and although i never said i was a real man your comment does make me feel slightly better about myself. thank you. you just got nothing. if anything you got more stupid, i do not consider myself better or worse than you. but i enjoy working dogs to their chosen quarry, i like to see well trained dogs do their jobs well. yes the ground was frozen, its called winter, or the hunting season. genius.
never said that my dog was anything special, its just a different job, in a practical sense the dog that didnt make the cut, was less special/useful than the other dogs that did make the grade, but on a personal level he was special to you and as you adopted him you will have formed a bond, making him one of the most special dogs in the world to you. also becoming a therapy dog will have made him that bit more special. i am glad you own a good dog. what are your views on lurcher work? is it work
retrieving and pointing are not sports...they are jobs performed by purpose bred dogs, pitbulls make good therapy dogs, not the job they were bred for by any stretch of the imagination, this in my opinion means that dogs do not to be any specific breed to be therapy dogs, whereas traditional dog jobs have got breeds directly associated with them, working dogs are the foundation of all pet and therapy dogs, just as wolves are the predecessors of all dogs.
assistance or therapy work although not work in the traditional sense i.e hunting which of course is the original work performed by the dog, requires as much allbeit different type of mental strength. you may be moronic enough to say that a hunting dog isnt a working dog, that doesnt make me stupid enough to think for a second that it is the only kind of work, you really are something else. i genuinly cant beleive that you said hunting isnt work...truly the words of a doggy expert.
you dont consider hunting work...i consider therapy dog to be a completely different type of work, but work nonetheless, dont be a dick, thats like saying that guide dog isnt work, its less physically but more mentaly demanding so in my eyes the dog is more than earning its keep. any dog that aides a human is working, but pet dogs i would not consider workers since they may be needed by a lonely owner but in all fairness that person should just be helping themselves.
apparently your a vet...we call you pet vets over here, not real vets, you guys are only interested in money, breed standards and neutering badly behaved dogs. you have never dug a fox, you have never owned a working dog, these are a couple of assumptions i have made, they could be miles off, but i dont think so. you are also opinionated without reason, talk to a few pro pest controllers before you get on here to argue with people who have actually seen and done what the arguement is about.
okcontinue showing of your lack of knowledge, some dogs will kill their quarry but MOST dont, they attempt to make it bolt (thats run out of the hole to you) if the fox wont run the the terrier has to box it in and keep it in the right place to be dragged out, most dogs dont kill below ground. And i am not making excuses, how did you come to that conclusion, i was saying it was stupid to send two dogs to ground and you were disagreeing, the ground being deep is called a good dig. are you five!?
perhaps you should go on a dig instead of pretending you know anything at all about it. most digs are between 1 and 3 meters deep. and you dont know until the dog is to ground. Dont make ridiculous assumptions, yes you have to give the terrier time to settle to the job, usually a couple of fags then find a mark and set to digging. yes the dog was dead when it was dug out, the other one wasnt, they shouldnt have put 2 to ground. that should only be done on a huge network of tunnels.
fox burrows? dont know how many digs you have been on, but round here they generally vary, most badger setts are extremely deep and these are commonly the homes of foxes, they can be ancient, and huge. and also the ground varies, most digs are done during the winter and the ground is hard, a couple of mates of mine were on a dig only three foot, but it took them an hour to dig six inches. i know of alot of long digs via terriermen, alot of digs lasting entire days.
dont let two go down, mate of mine lost his best terrier on a fox earth cos there were two in there. it suffocated, must admit these guys didnt really know what they were doing and are a bunch of gypsies...not real gypsies, just cocks
I love ma wee man 8 years now loves to hunt never got stuck and is a pure wee hunter chunk is his name and hes one hell of a Border Terrier may best friend
sergiesmax1 4 months ago
my dog got killed down one of them :'( just took my dog a walk and its down one now.. fingers crossed he gets out
morgan2247 10 months ago
i have a border terrier hes 10 week old n hes mint
SAMZzuK 1 year ago
Take a shovel with you if you let it go to ground with a collar on,its easy for it to snag on roots
gazbev 1 year ago
aww they look like little rabbits themselfs:)
FablePeach 1 year ago
Always used to tickle me, a sniff no hesitation straight down.
Many a time i have had to did our Bud out or just wait an hour or two.
Nice dogs by the way.
jhareng 2 years ago
Fantastic little dogs, Border terriers. Always have a spade or shovel in case they don't emerge, although sometimes they will hours later. Block the entrance if you go looking for help or tools.....the dog could emerge while you're gone and wander away. And don't let your dog enter an undiggable earth......like rock or stone quarries, unless you have access to heavy equipment. Shovels and picks won't move heavy stone, and the dog could be hopelessly trapped.
Hako2004 2 years ago 10
@Hako2004 The dog could be trapped after blocking the entrance while you go for help or tools also. Why do you recommend blocking your dog in a rabbit hole? Very bad advice.
Tatooinedragracer 1 year ago
@Tatooinedragracer no it's not.. if the dog's trapped anyway, especially if it has a collar on, then it's stuck either way, until you dig it out...
How was it bad advice? besides, you're getting a shovel, and it's not like you're going to be days getting it. If he/she gets stuck, it doesnt matter, cos you're about to dig it out anyway.
HarriF8 10 months ago
@Hako2004 and do this in the UK like how this guy is, you can get arrested for hunting with dogs, trespassing, damage of farmers field, and cruelty to animals.
magnusalexa 6 months ago
@magnusalexa That law doesn't apply to hunting rabbits.
mafoota 6 months ago
@magnusalexa haha 1. the farmer would be greatful if u got rid of some rabbits. 2. u can hunt rabbits with dogs its hares that u cant
PurebredLondon 5 months ago
what if they got stuck? thats what happened to my dog
fishpimp100 2 years ago 7
@fishpimp100 what do you do if they get stuck?
TheTSCHUTZ 1 year ago
@fishpimp100 No worries, they will starve for 2 days or so, lose weight and wriggle out!!!
alanmichaellincoln 3 months ago
go on teddy get it lol haha stop playing with your pet terriers
hedz31 2 years ago
our queens's border terries was missing int a rabbit hole for a few days. The costs of bringing her back was around 300.000 euro's becarefull with it.
kaptein81 2 years ago
@kaptein81 You know I wouldve just gotten a shovel and dug him out. The day you cant top a rabbit in digging a hole is a sad day for humanity
ginnidorka 1 year ago
my border terrier killed my sisters rabbit wen the lock on the (rabbits) cage was faulty (it was new) the rabbit got out wen we were away :-( at least it was painless
IsBreaLiomCapall 2 years ago
thats cool just message me or whatever, i will try and help if you will let me. cheers for the healthy debate lol, night night.
morgasm657 2 years ago
i apologise for treating you like an idiot, but you have said some pretty funny stuff, like digging was a royal sport lol, that one made me giggle. although it has always been a little bit of a sideline to the hunt in most places, but it was never a royal sport, always done by a servant etc. and how you were sure that your shiba could tackle a ferret lol, i'm sure she could but who wants that, i spose its just a distance thing, you didnt know what ferreting was, so you can be forgiven for that.
morgasm657 2 years ago
have a look around, they are great little dogs, a little more breeding for work has gone into them than breeding for show so they are pretty varied etc but nonethe less if you want a game dog you wont go wrong with a pat.
morgasm657 2 years ago
its 12:34 at night here, i have to be up at seven, gonna have to leave this all for another day, its been fun though :)
morgasm657 2 years ago
i said i had trainde a few dogs and you went on to list all the training you do, thought you were trying to out do me or something, never mind.
morgasm657 2 years ago
borders arent as game as they used to be, still fairlly game but you might want to consider a patterdale terrier, not sure whether they have them in the US. probably called fell terriers over there, the short haired ones are good looking enough and generally called pats. whereas long haired ones are generally called fell terriers, but its interchangeable since they are the same dog.
morgasm657 2 years ago
this isnt a my dick is bigger than your dick contest, if it was no doubt you would win, since i am hung like a hamster.
morgasm657 2 years ago
well i dont know whether the person was just dumb or wether the dog was smart, and outclassing doesnt mean in an intellectual way, just in a practical way, you explain something to someone, you expect them to get it, this guy did not and was made completely obselete by the dog, throughout the day.
morgasm657 2 years ago
well you obviously dont, yes you know about dog training, but you dont know about hunting dogs, you dont consider hunting dogs to be working dogs, a terrier that goes to ground at no point considers it a game, except maybe to start with, if he does that he will get hurt, simple.
morgasm657 2 years ago
so you train guard/attack dogs? was going to join the army as a dog trainer but cannot due to fucked knee.
morgasm657 2 years ago
no need to be a condescending dick all the time, so fucking american
morgasm657 2 years ago
i dont train terriers mate. i have trained my dog to a high standard but give him a pretty free reign when he comes out, he is old and not originally a hunting dog, i have also trained a few lurchers.
morgasm657 2 years ago
i have trained several.
morgasm657 2 years ago
wasnt it darwin that first tried to work out a three year olds intelligence, with his kid, pretty interesting stuff.
morgasm657 2 years ago
everything has to learn, i am not talking about a puppy, i am talking about an 11 to 15 month old dog in the stage that is best to start it out hunting.
morgasm657 2 years ago
of course they dont but they are sometimes scarily bright, and i have met plenty of people who i would consider outclassed by a smart dog.
morgasm657 2 years ago
tell that to a professional pest controller, gamekeeper or farmer. idiot.
morgasm657 2 years ago
how can you equate a dogs intelligence to a humans, its a totally different brain ruled by instinct. you just get smart dogs and dumb dogs like all humans, is it equivalent to a three year old retard or a genius?
morgasm657 2 years ago
and you dont seem to give them enough credit, they arent as thick as you seem to consider them to be.
morgasm657 2 years ago
and that is why british hunters have a better reputation than american ones.
morgasm657 2 years ago
have you ever been to britain and seen a british hedgerow? if you have then you will understand why you would need a dog, if not then, i will explain, hedgerows are thick and purse nets tangle on everything, also they are not always rabbit proof, and if left a rabbit will kick itself free, so the dog is there to hold the rabbit in the net until you get there, or to catch bolters (rabbits that miss nets)
morgasm657 2 years ago
ok maybe i could make something of your dog, if i had it from a pup, but you evidently couldnt at this time since you dont know what ferreting is.
morgasm657 2 years ago
you truly do know nothing about what your talking about, yes no dog is born knowing what to kill, but it has to have the mental capacity to learn. overly game bred dogs will destroy rabbits and hares. dogs with alot of bull blood are prone to this, as are alot of terrier crosses, they are overly aggressive with all quarry. dont apologize to me for your inability to understand what a working dog is.
shiba's are baying dogs mate, as are most dogs meant to hunt bigger and more dangerous animals.
morgasm657 2 years ago
exactly, if you and the dog go out with the specific intention of hunting, whatever animal then it is work, have you ever seen a lurcher at work? it is extremely concentrated, it is thinking about what its doing, either waiting for a bolt or marking up, there are alot of things you seem to be unaware of but you continue making 'know it all' type comments.
morgasm657 2 years ago
your dogs are badly trained if they kill cats. never heard of stock breaking then, or are you just another pet dog owner that doesnt have control of there pets, here in britain farmer have serious problems with people like you, and working dog owners get the blame, the dog has to know what not to kill.
morgasm657 2 years ago
o.k. mr smartypants, and why on earth would i want a ferreting dog that takes out ferrets, that would kind of ruin the whole thing. google ferreting and read a little bit.
morgasm657 2 years ago
have you heard of prey sense? this is something that here in britain we breed for, we breed animals for intelligence, anyway message sent etc we can continue this without character limits.
morgasm657 2 years ago
killing is not specific to terriers, it is better that the terrier has some brains about it and doesnt get itself hurt, lurchers have to know what to kill and what not to kill, i.e. a rabbit hare or pheasant should be delivered unharmed to hand, but a deer fox or even a rat should be attacked with full venom and finished asap to avoid injury. some dogs will not make the distinction and will destroy rabbits and hares, these are not well bred dogs.
morgasm657 2 years ago
most dogs will chase but i have seen plenty of dogs gib on a fox, half or a quarter of the weight of themselves. i would rather have a dog earn its keep than sit around at home and pissing about like a puppy all the time, theres is something much nicer about seeing a mature dog that does its job well. your sheeba for instance would make a shit ferreting dog. the dog has to learn the job. chasing and killing is not the only job. lurcher work is extremely varied.
morgasm657 2 years ago
get out more man, go and work your dogs and see if they stand up to it. if you dont work dogs you cant talk, and when i say work i mean hunt using them as an efficient companion. a dog is more useful than another human ever is, this is why it is called work, i consider it work for myself when i engage in pest control and the dog joining me is also at work. of course you train it, recal stay sit, stock breaking, etc, but it comes down to the dog to actually do the job.
morgasm657 2 years ago
dont embarrass yourself. we brits never did digging as a royal sport. you really should do some research before making moronic statements like that.
morgasm657 2 years ago
you do not train a dog to go to ground, you breed him to, a dog will only go to ground if it wants to. the people that i know who dig to thier dogs would without a doubt consider it work, the dog is required to do a job that is a necessity. i do not hunt for my every meal, i do not have the time or the freezer space. a lurcher cannot be trained to chase, it either will or it wont. it all comes down to breeding in the end.
morgasm657 2 years ago
saying that hunting dogs aren't working dogs is like saying Christianity or Islam are not religions.
morgasm657 2 years ago
i dont think im better than you, i do not know how bad the ground was, all i know is that it was frozen, it could have easily been much harder, i have personally never dug ground so hard that six inches was a problem, but these guys obviously did. this argument started with me saying it was a mistake to allow two terriers to ground, and you contradicted me, then you went on to say that putting 2 dogs to ground was a mistake, make your mind up.
morgasm657 2 years ago
my dog doesnt kill foxes. he is a pet, i work with regularly all types of hunting/working dogs, and although i never said i was a real man your comment does make me feel slightly better about myself. thank you. you just got nothing. if anything you got more stupid, i do not consider myself better or worse than you. but i enjoy working dogs to their chosen quarry, i like to see well trained dogs do their jobs well. yes the ground was frozen, its called winter, or the hunting season. genius.
morgasm657 2 years ago
never said that my dog was anything special, its just a different job, in a practical sense the dog that didnt make the cut, was less special/useful than the other dogs that did make the grade, but on a personal level he was special to you and as you adopted him you will have formed a bond, making him one of the most special dogs in the world to you. also becoming a therapy dog will have made him that bit more special. i am glad you own a good dog. what are your views on lurcher work? is it work
morgasm657 2 years ago
retrieving and pointing are not sports...they are jobs performed by purpose bred dogs, pitbulls make good therapy dogs, not the job they were bred for by any stretch of the imagination, this in my opinion means that dogs do not to be any specific breed to be therapy dogs, whereas traditional dog jobs have got breeds directly associated with them, working dogs are the foundation of all pet and therapy dogs, just as wolves are the predecessors of all dogs.
morgasm657 2 years ago
assistance or therapy work although not work in the traditional sense i.e hunting which of course is the original work performed by the dog, requires as much allbeit different type of mental strength. you may be moronic enough to say that a hunting dog isnt a working dog, that doesnt make me stupid enough to think for a second that it is the only kind of work, you really are something else. i genuinly cant beleive that you said hunting isnt work...truly the words of a doggy expert.
morgasm657 2 years ago
you dont consider hunting work...i consider therapy dog to be a completely different type of work, but work nonetheless, dont be a dick, thats like saying that guide dog isnt work, its less physically but more mentaly demanding so in my eyes the dog is more than earning its keep. any dog that aides a human is working, but pet dogs i would not consider workers since they may be needed by a lonely owner but in all fairness that person should just be helping themselves.
morgasm657 2 years ago
apparently your a vet...we call you pet vets over here, not real vets, you guys are only interested in money, breed standards and neutering badly behaved dogs. you have never dug a fox, you have never owned a working dog, these are a couple of assumptions i have made, they could be miles off, but i dont think so. you are also opinionated without reason, talk to a few pro pest controllers before you get on here to argue with people who have actually seen and done what the arguement is about.
morgasm657 2 years ago
okcontinue showing of your lack of knowledge, some dogs will kill their quarry but MOST dont, they attempt to make it bolt (thats run out of the hole to you) if the fox wont run the the terrier has to box it in and keep it in the right place to be dragged out, most dogs dont kill below ground. And i am not making excuses, how did you come to that conclusion, i was saying it was stupid to send two dogs to ground and you were disagreeing, the ground being deep is called a good dig. are you five!?
morgasm657 2 years ago
perhaps you should go on a dig instead of pretending you know anything at all about it. most digs are between 1 and 3 meters deep. and you dont know until the dog is to ground. Dont make ridiculous assumptions, yes you have to give the terrier time to settle to the job, usually a couple of fags then find a mark and set to digging. yes the dog was dead when it was dug out, the other one wasnt, they shouldnt have put 2 to ground. that should only be done on a huge network of tunnels.
morgasm657 2 years ago
fox burrows? dont know how many digs you have been on, but round here they generally vary, most badger setts are extremely deep and these are commonly the homes of foxes, they can be ancient, and huge. and also the ground varies, most digs are done during the winter and the ground is hard, a couple of mates of mine were on a dig only three foot, but it took them an hour to dig six inches. i know of alot of long digs via terriermen, alot of digs lasting entire days.
morgasm657 2 years ago
how fast can you dig 15 ft?
morgasm657 2 years ago
dont let two go down, mate of mine lost his best terrier on a fox earth cos there were two in there. it suffocated, must admit these guys didnt really know what they were doing and are a bunch of gypsies...not real gypsies, just cocks
morgasm657 3 years ago
thats really funny :)
JohnnyType2 3 years ago