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  • If you are staking Joseph Smith's reputation and authenticity on something then it needs to be lock tight and bullet proof. :)

  • Chiasmus IS NOT an ancient form of writing like you are making it seem. Chiasmus is a literary device where letters in words are place traded, which the Hebrews were quite fond of and used all through the writing of the Old Testament. I think offering this as proof of Joseph Smith's authenticity is not a legitimate argument. All it means is that someone found characters out of place in some transliterations among his "translations" of the "Reformed-Egyptian" that he was claiming to interpret.

  • Many attend a service on Easter Sunday -- called Resurrection Sunday -- that usually focuses on Christ's atonement. Some watch "The Lamb of God," a Mormon Easter video dramatizing the events of Christ's last days and his resurrection. Some also read the resurrection story and have a family lesson on it.

  • n whatever way befits you, keep a record of your experiences. It is a way to acknowledge God in our lives as we go forward, Cox said. Your personal and personalized record could benefit someone down the road in ways you could have never anticipated.

  • Jesus is God.

    God is almighty.

    But God could NOT have come across the sea to preach in America. To say so is blasphamy!

    ....??

  • @mrmn8honeybee to dictate to God what He did is blasphemy, do deny His works is even worse.

  • @omiolo I agree. That's why I find it crazy when people say that the Book of Mormon COULD NOT be true. Why couldn't it? That's what the "...??" was about.

  • Heber C. Kimball: The Prophet Joseph called upon Brother Brigham, myself and others, saying, "Brethren, come, go along with me, and I will show you something."

  • He led us a short distance to a place where were the ruins of three altars built of stone, one above the other, and one standing a little back of the other, like unto the pulpits in the Kirtland Temple, representing the order of three grades of Priesthood; "There," said Joseph, "is the place where Adam offered up sacrifice after he was cast out of the garden.

  • Numerous deer wander about the wide expanse of Adam-ondi-Ahman (as seen here just left of the trees).

  • Many creatures freely walk about the three-thousand-plus acres of Adam-ondi-Ahman today, including this raccoon who left its perfect footprint here.

  • The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible and is a record of God's dealings with His chosen people in the New World. The main purpose of the Book of Mormon is "to the convincing of Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations." (Book of Mormon Title Page) It was written by ancient American prophets for our day (Mormon 8:35) and is an American testament of the Lord Jesus Christ.

  • Don't judge this book by its cover or by what you might think you know about it. Take some time to read it. We have read it numerous times and are posting topics here to help you as you read.

    As Herbert Spencer once said, There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation.

  • Oh! You mean Chiasmus just like in "Sam I Am" by Dr. Seuss!

  • And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.

    2 Nephi 25:26

  • More like no one wants to read anymore of your nasty untrue comments.

  • And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye...for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things....

    2 Nephi 33:11

  • Blah Blah Blah----You have no proof! It must suck defending a lie like the Mormon Inc. and the pervert: Joseph Smith.

  • Plural marriage was perhaps the greatest challenge to the early members of the Church. Critics are anxious to avoid putting the choices of early members in context, in an effort to make the early members look like reprobates or dupes. In doing so, they hope to discourage those who hear their version of events from even considering whether these men were true prophets of God.

  • I think it's called Parallels of Meso America and the book of Mormon shows that of the items that were mentioned in the day of Joseph smith in the Book of mormon, hardly anything had been found to verify his words. Today we have found 75% of the items listed in the book of Mormon. 50% of those 75% leaves no chance for doubt and 25% of the 75% is NOT completely certain, but plausible.

    so that earnes a C 75% is passing in most schools, and archaology is slow and it's mostly jungle there.

  • not to mention the beautiful Stela V from Belize as shown in this video.

    It depicts Nephi 8 and the Tree of Life.

    My parents took a trip there to see it and the locals tell people that it is the tree of life. they brought me back a t-shirt bought there.

    no evidence? False!

  • Stela V dates 200BC which is SMACK in the middle of the Book of Mormon

  • Here is what you don't understand. Joseph Smith had plenty of acces to books and articles from his day concerning Native Americans as being a tribe from Isreal. His collection of books contained stories of indian tribes that had different colors of skin due to sin. These books were written as fiction. Do you understand?

  • Joseph smith had no such access to any books, he couldn't even afford a library card which wasn't allowed to the "common" men. Joseph Smith only translated Golden colored plates with Hebrew/ Egyptian hieroglyphics into English. It is impossible to achieve it any other way.

  • LOL. Did you visit Oliver Cowdery's bookshelf? Google it. You Know no such thing. You just parrot what your leaders in Utah tell you. Why does the rLDS Church have his official book collection? Why has the Lds church tried to gain access to it? LOL. Do your research.

  • If the Book of Mormon were a forgery, fabricated out of thin air rather than translated from ancient metal plates, surely Joseph Smith would have kept the secret to himself. But he gathered multiple people who saw and handled the plates, and who remained loyal to that witness to the end of their lives, even though many of these witnesses became unhappy with Joseph or the Church, and suffered great persecution for their witness.

    cont.

  • They made no money and gained no power, but in spite of everything, never denied their witness. Consider Martin Harris, described as honest and reputable even by anti-Mormons who knew him. He was a man of proven integrity in his community, a respected and successful man who sacrificed much to help bring forth the Book of Mormon. Yet he would later disagree with the policies of the Church and be excommunicated in 1837.

    cont.

  • In spite of that, he repeatedly expressed his testimony of the Book of Mormon, that he had seen an angel, had touched and handled the plates, and knew that it was divine. His testimony was confirmed even on his deathbed.

  • He didn't know what he "handled". Were they rolled up Pepsi cans? He didn't know. His word means nothing. He and his family were poor and trying to make a buck.

  • They were in on what we call now as a 'modern day book deal'. Do you understand? BTW. have you ever looked in the "Kinderhook Plates?" HA!

  • "surely Joseph would have kept it to himself". Really, why? "saw and handled the plates" Really? Were they just his drunk IGNORANT buddies in the hood? Did they know what they were "handling?" "all the witnesses stayed loyal " Really? Are you sure about that? How many left the "chruch?" Did these withnesses have any credibility? No, they did not! They were ignorant drunk friends and relatives of Joseph Smith. They would have purchased ice cubes from an eskimo in Alaska.

  • ...the opposing counsel thought he would say something that would overwhelm Oliver Cowdery, and in reply to him in his argument he alluded to him as the man that had testified and had written that he had beheld an angel of God, and that angel had shown unto him the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated.

  • He supposed, of course, that it would cover him with confusion, because Oliver Cowdery then made no profession of being a Mormon, or a Latter-day Saint; but instead of being affected by it in this manner, he arose in the court, and in his reply stated that, whatever his faults and weaknesses might be, the testimony which he had written, and which he had given to the world, was literally true. (George Q. Cannon September 18, 1881 in JD 22:254.)

  • Oliver Cowdery, no longer a member of the LDS Church, testified to all those present that the Book of Mormon was true.

  • After many years at the ripe of 70 Oliver Cowdery was rebaptized into the restored Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. God bless Oliver Cowdery a true saint unto God!

    HA!

  • ripe AGE of 70 and before Oliver died, He rejoined the restored church of Christ

  • keep dreaming

  • The alarm is sounding! Wake up!

  • Each year, thousands of people travel to Manti during the summer to have a unique theatrical experience, all in the shadow of the Manti Temple.

  • No proof for the Book of Mormon exists. Only in the minds of Mormon "experts" does proof exist. If you ask outside of Mormonism if it exists, the answer is NO. Ask the Smithsonian Institute what they think about the Book of Mormon!

  • The Smithsonian has been shot down and it no authority on History.

  • Really? Wow!! They have studied the claims of the book of mormon such as having grains, metals, animals, cement and buildings. For example, cement was not invented yet neither was steel and certain animals such as the elephant and horse did not exist in the Americas. What say you?

  • Well it's funny you should mention cement. They have found in Central America and South America several hundred miles of cement roads and a cement a stucco mine that dates back to antiquity.

    you mention elephants? yeah artwork has been discovered from ancient Maya artwork depicting ELEPHANTS.

    Horses? I don't think they have found yet except some REALLY old ones, way older than BoM times.

    Grain? Found a strain of barely in Peru dating to antiquity.

    What say you?

  • I guess you haven't watched Dr. Clark from FAIR and his Archaological research concerning central America and the correlation of the people from the book of Mormon.

  • No, I don't watch Mormon apologists with no credentials. See the Smithsonian institute for the facts.

  • The Smithsonian doesn't have facts.

  • OH REALLY? What do they have? Lies? You don't like their facts because it proves your religion a fraud; which of course, it is.

  • Who are they? When? What does it date back to? Seems like more Mormon hoopla to me. No sources, just Mormon lies and fantasy.! Elephants: What date does that artwork date back to?

  • MormonDefenders has the video with Elephant art in it and it is dated. I hope you find it.

  • Is it dated back to the time of the Book of Mormon days? HA!

  • Carbondated work to 200BC and the Book of Mormon is 600BC to 400AD. HA!

  • Where is your evidence?

  • And You're reaching for something that isn't there. You can't disprove anything nor does your arguement have any substance. It merely proves your ignorance to the truth.

    The Book of Mormon is full of Chiasmus just as this true video denotes.

  • All my evidence is well documented in the History of the church.

  • You refuse to see the Chiasmus in the D & C. If it's in the D&C than you have been proven wrong and you know it.

  • Have you studied the story of the Kinderhook plates? You are deluded just like the rest of you Mormons. I don't know how you live with yourself and the Mormon lies.

  • of course i studied it, and like every other ad hominem attack on the LDS church have found without substance.

    Get a life, wake up, get real, you're still a youtube anti-mormon troll and you will have to be rebaptized!

  • I'm an anti-mormon troll because I give you facts that you don't like. LOL. Typical Mormon. I debunked ALL of your Mormon junk and you get angry. LOL

  • Chiasmus is an ancient middle eastern form of writing unknown to Joseph Smith in upstate New York in 1830. One of 10,000 plus evidences of the Book of Mormon

  • How do you know that Chiasmus was unknown to Joseph Smith? Are you making things up again?

    If Chiasmus was unknow to Joe Smith, how do you explain the fact that it is all throughout the D&C? BUSTED!

  • Joseph Smith could have in NO way knew about Hebraisms and Chiasmus, wrote the book of Mormon with 259 chapters dealing with wars, theology, culture ect. in only 2 months.

    The book of Mormon has withstood all criticisms. It is the word of God and companion to the bible.

    FAIRLDSDOTORG

  • Why does the D&C show evidence of Chiasmus? 'No way' --Really? You presume what you have been fed is truth but in reality, you have been fed garbage. The RLDS Church holds Joseph Smith's vast book collection. If you were to view it, you would be stunned. The Book of Mormon has nothing in it that is unique to the common thought of the early 1830's. Everything he wrote about was lifted from other books and articles from his time period.

  • whatever the truth is you've been fed garbage. You will have to be rebaptized. RLDS aren't preaching with the Spirit because they didn't expand to millions thru missionary work. We did.

    Oh and the JST is the best and most inspired version to date.

  • The book of mormon is full of Hebraisms and Chiasmus. The Computer programs of today show this clearly.

    another proof a man with a 3rd grade education didn't concoct the Book of Mormon, but translated it by the power of God.

  • Most scam artists in the modern world have very little "education." This proves nothing. You have failed to understand that Joe Smith and others put the Book of Mormon together with other sources.

  • That's the best you can do is ad-hominem attack Joseph. He was a true prophet of God and there is no scam.

    Unfortunately you have been scammed for listening to your peers.

    sad

  • Hate to burst your Mormon bubble but I don't listen to peers; I do my own study and research. I suggest you do the same.

  • The book of Mormon is full of Chiasmus and Hebraisms.

    the comments of the anti-mormons here are ignorant. They don't even watch the videos, they spamm crap and lies all over Youtube.

  • idiot

  • this proves nothing. the D&C and P of GP were written in the same style. How do you explain that? good luck.

  • you are making things up.

  • White are mormons soooo caught up on the color of your gods skin?

  • I never heard that Jesus was described as white. He was a jew from the middle east more than 2000 years ago. He would have been dark brown. More like Sadam Hussien or Osama Bin Laden you boob!!

  • Not all Jews are dark skinned. Jesus Christ was very fair skinned and blue eyed.

    You boob!

  • 2000 years ago all semites were dark skinned. Read your history. I never knew there were pics of JC around. Post them so we can all see them.

  • The world will be stunned.

    Jesus Christ Is the word and the LIGHT in the darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not!

    FAIRLDSdotORG

    LDSdotORG

    for the truth about Chiasmus in the book of MORMON!

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