Apocalypse Now Redux: America created the Viet Mihn Part 1

[tipachel]

40s. indochina. americans created and supported viet mihn to fight against french and japs, and like couple decades later viet mihn bite america in the ass.

80s. afghanistan. americans created and supported al-qaeda to fight against soviets, and like couple decades later al-qaeda bite america in the ass.

americans never learn.

[SeanMcHugh00]

The most sophisticated, complex, romantic and insightful scene- so it was cut by outside forces until the world was so stupid that its release didn't matter so much. Amazing dialogue in this.

[hkhlhhiohenboni]

It´s amazing to know these actors had to wait 20 years to check their performances in this masterpiece film. The french family part is one of the high points of the movie.

[Ramble1212]

wow french ppl whine alot

[TheGatorfan93]

Redux is an abomination.It makes willard ''one of the boys'',and the power of the original,is that he is a focused cold blooded killer.After kilgore's speech on napalm,he then steals his board,laughing and carrying on,then next he's serious again?Then he gets the boys laid,then he smokes opium?Ridiculous.But people clamor for it,because they want more scenes,and want willard to appear more human.It's a complete travesty.How can i get the original on dvd?Cause im not buying this crap

[TheNightWriter101]

@TheGatorfan93 I think the redux is far superior, I love all the deleted scenes. People just say they like the old one better becquse it sounds cool or something. It's not an abomination at all, the original movie was actually 12 hours long but that version only screened at cannes. Just because you saw the cut version and got used to it, now you have all these messed ideas in your head. of course willard has time to relax, even adolf hitler was 'one of the boys' with his guards.

[starcraft108]

@TheNightWriter101 12 hours ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahah

[seka1986]

DIEN BIEN PHU FRENCHY

[Gargantua606]

Really beautiful,seductive shots of that French widow basking in end of afternoon light. Could fall in love for that look in her eyes.

But the scene really disrupts the movie.

[someguy672]

That's not true that the United States created the Viet Cong to fight the French after World War II, the United States supported France in the Indochina war because we saw it as a way to contain communism. However, during World War II the OSS did support and train the Vietnamese to fight the occupying Japanese (not unlike how the CIA would later support and train the Mujihadeen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan).

[Vampiracho]

The deleted scenes from Apocalypse Now are better than 90% of all other movie's main content.

[Braunheim]

Grow up people. The way of the World is what it is. The Strong dominate the weak, in every nation, in every culture. Be Strong.

[stm22]

4:01-4:26 the viet are very intelligent, the R want to help them, come and give us some money, we are all Com, chinese give us money, we are all brothers, they hate the chinese. Maybe they hate the American less then the R and the C. I mean if tommorrow the V would be Com, they will be Vietnamese Com and this is something you never understood you Americans.

He's got the point: the viet don't care about com or capitalist, just their people, their nation.

[hal360champ]

Can somebody explain what he says and displays at 1:00? I know he said something about "attack" but idk what after that. Thanks

[AvengefulAngel]

@hal360champ He says 'Attack repels by the family' (His plantation)

[NoirOrchestre]

Who is the actor playing the french captain ? i can't find it.

[NoirOrchestre]

Never mind, found him, it's Christian Marquand

[cocojumb0]

so the americans created the vietcong like the taliban?

[AvengefulAngel]

@cocojumb0 No dont be stupid. The taliban are extremist evil brainwashed bastards, the vietminh were just nationalistic communists who wanted their independance.

[taxmonkey123]

It's an interesting part of the movie, but I can't help to feel that it ruins the pace more than a little.

[CB750k5]

When I saw this scene I thought it was really creepy when sheen and his group left and he saw the house , the way he looked he knew that this family would be doom when the war was over and in the end of the movie you wonder if he went back to them

[BeyondLame]

wheres the funeral video

a thousand dollars for whoever finds it

[RudikRus1]

Yeah, they were from age gone by

[trimar42]

Hi

de quel film parlez vous ??

[eisenkreuzmusik]

yesterday Korea

today Vietnam

tomorrow Afghanistan, but we were smart not to intervene directly

[victorrain]

What was that kid saying in the beginning?

[troydeanz]

It is a shame this was left out of the original because this explains the pre-history before America's involvement in Vietnam. Dien Bien Phu was one of the most defining battles of the 20th century . It is a shame not many know about it

[seka1986]

@troydeanz The French got their asses kicked at DIen Bien Phu! LOL

[chestnius]

I can see why this was left out of the original. Its long-winded, soapy acting and doesn't mean anything in the context of the movie. The portrayal of French colonials is dubious too.

[pinz2022]

I dunno if it makes them seem a mite overly mercurial but it does provide a needed history lesson.

Perhaps that's why it was cut, it's definitely a digression from the phantasmagorical tone of the rest of the movie.

In fact, when I saw "Redux" most of the restored scenes differed rather sharply from the hallucinogenic tone of the original release.

[ceb42585]

Does anyone know which Baudelaire poem it is???

[Rzarectar]

parisienne french is so different from the quebecquois french we learn here in canada. Parisienne sounds so much better.lol

[victorrain]

At 1:05, did they say that they killed Americans? The U.S. attacked them? I didn't hear what the French guy said, something about "it was a mistake."

[SharkanKuthoshqea]

@victorrain He said he accidently shot american soldiers. Probably thought they were Vietnamese until he examined the bodies.

[victorrain]

The accordion player? The egg guy?  Or the head of the family?

[servantofLoviatar]

Yeah, I think that's what he meant by a mistake, maybe a group of Americans thought they were VC?

[FreelanceAce]

Ungreatful French Frogs...Figures.....France is England's Shit splattered on the bloody map

[netcyrus]

typical frenchmen

[sickmelodies69]

the way that old french man talks annoys the shit outta me at 3:23...otherwise a powerful and informative scene i think should have been put in. Top of the line acting from all the french and martin sheen

[pinz2022]

A great history lesson. Unfortunately, in the "American War" the French planters were rightfully suspected of trying to make a separate peace with the commies.

In the movie the "French Plantation" is impossibly isolated.

But it is a great scene, and should have been included in the original movie.

[NGS712]

I agree, it was a very interesting scene. I think it could've been a little bit shortened but I still love it.

[MazzingerZ7]

God damm it! What actors!!!

[frantic1971]

This is one of the best scenes in the movie. Too bad it was deleted from the original, and it is good that it was restored for the re-release. I think what makes the entire French Colonial sequence so good it is that it is an interlude where people are just being people in the film, and you feel sadness at the French for so valiantly trying to hold on to what they love. Remember that the French were involved in Indochina for much longer then the U.S. every was.

[olivemike81]

That was our first and biggest mistake.  After WW2 instead of saying to the French "Sorry, you need to let go of your empire in Indo-China" we stupidly helped them. We just fought the biggest war ever to free Europe from Hitler's grasp and what did we do after? Tried to help another empire regain its control over the people it had ruled before the war. Of course, if the Nationalists, instead of the Communists, had prevailed in China Vietnam and North Korea would be Democratic countries today.

[errmac11]

This war wasn't just about "helping" the French.

If you know what happened at the Yalta Conference this makes perfect sense.

If the US hadn't acted, the whole country wouldd have become an ally of the Russians/Chinese anyway.

This was just about one superpower losing ground and another taking over, and they didn't care about the people living there.

[xARMINIUSx]

lol we europeans dont see the americans as liberators. compare the amount of divisions destroyed by the soviets and with those that americans had done, then u wil understand ;-)

[olivemike81]

It doesn't matter what you think. The fact is if it weren't for the United States and England the rest of Europe would either be under Nazi domination or Soviet domination. Yes, the Soviets destroyed more German divisions but all the Soviets did in Eastern Europe was replace Nazi tyranny with their own tyranny.

[InfantryFodder93]

@olivemike81 Fuck you. If it weren't for the Soviet's your little island and all of Europe would be speaking German now. We paid the ultimate price of sacrifice for victory while you sat on your little safe island with American food and supplies while the real heroes were all dead in the River volga. You dont have a clue.

It was Nato and the US what started the cold war tensions, the USSR's plan was to stop you from globalizing everybody under your Capitalist 'freedom' loving bullshit.

[613fredp]

@InfantryFodder93 your a retard, russia is nothing compared to american, never was, never will be. Keep living in lala land pal

[ILoveRavenc]

@InfantryFodder93 i see the propaganda machine worked well on some people.

[Waelser93]

@InfantryFodder93

Funny, how "you" also only survived because of American Food, Supplys, Equipment^^

[ILoveRavenc]

@InfantryFodder93

if you really believe that the USSR was the only country doing something against Germany during WW2 then you seriously need to beat your head with a brick or something till you can finally start thinking some sensable things .

i mean WOW,i mean i know Russia has a hard time admitting that they did not in fact single handedly defeat Germany but this is just ridiculous.

[olivemike81]

As an American, I accept and appreciate the fact that without France the United States probably wouldn't have won its independance from England. As a European you need to accept the reality of your own history. Without America you'd probably have a Nazi jack boot on your throat. Your welcome.

[6Ott7]

Im an American too and sorry to say, but the Soviets were the ones who stopped the Nazis. They marched all the way to Berlin while we were still on the shores of France. The US were security forces after the war ended at best.

[olivemike81]

I'm an American and I'm sorry to say you don't know much about WW2. When the Soviets entered Berlin we were only a few miles away. We were not on "the shores of France." In fact, Eisenhower was close enough that he could have made a play for Berlin and rushed troops in to try and take the city. But he did the smart thing. The Russians were willing to shed any amount of blood to take that city, and after it was all over they gave us control of the western half of the city.

[SharkanKuthoshqea]

@olivemike81 Eisenhower wasn't that close to Berlin when it was taken. It was the British who wanted to get to Berlin first, not the Americans. Churchill was more anti-Russian that Eisenhower and since the balance of power had shifted to Washington by the end of the war the western allies ended up doing things the american way: advance slowly instead of rushing to Berlin and let the Russians get it.

[SharkanKuthoshqea]

@xARMINIUSx I disagree. In 1945 the Americans were definitely seen as liberators and for a while might have been seen as defenders of freedom against communism. And then they started to meddle with the world and that was when shit hit the fan for america's image. As much as I admire Americans for their achievements I can do naught but facepalm when I see that they are doing exactly the same mistakes that we europeans did during our Imperialist phase.

[Varanor]

@olivemike81

Unhistorical POV.

1) The US didn't helped the French to preserve their empire, actually, that's the other way around.

2) Please stop taking all the credit about WW2, especially when it's known that alone -eg. w/o the UK, USSR and other allies- you couldn't have done anything.

3) You have not a single idea of what the world would've been, you just guess. I could say myself that NK and VN could've evolved into far-right dictatures with the help of the US, like in South America.

[olivemike81]

@Varanor Actually we supported the French as they tried to reclaim their territories lost to the Japanese. Which was a mistake for amny reasons. And I never said America won the war all by itself. I gave due credit to Russia and England.

[SharkanKuthoshqea]

@olivemike81 Not necessarily. The US did create anti-communist regimes but most were dictatorships that were just as brutal as the communists. Before the Chinese civil war Chiang-Kai Shek allowed landlords to but the peasants into slavery. In Cambodia the US backed a military dictatorship before the Khmer Rouge turned up. The only prerequisite for US backed regimes was that they were anti-Communist, not that they were democratic.

[shirin2556]

greatest scene to the greatest movie...I am an ant-establishment advocate but what makes this movie beautiful is how killing is necessary to stay powerful...being kind only makes you 4th, 3rd best...but I love how american govt. never does their history, occupation is worse than killing, never works, never will, americans can't learn that, and I love it...can't wait till this country crumbles...the horror, the horror...

[diddymuck]

let's hope you don't miss it after your pampered property owning cushy jobbed lifestyle is over, chum.

[shirin2556]

Ignorant people like you are very entertaining, reason world hates us....I don't "work" chief...I live in an apartment, I don't have a dime to my name, I donate all my money to people who need to eat and stay alive...I ain't scared of dying either, half the time I'm incoherent from hallucinogens...what the fuck do you know about me champ?? We all live in the apocalypse, we just happen to live on the other side of the world... "The dreams of men, the seed of commonwealths, the germs of empires."

[diddymuck]

so what's your point?

[shirin2556]

don't mean to sound disrespectful but are you a retard?? "let's hope you don't miss it after your pampered property owning cushy jobbed lifestyle is over, chum." This was not directed toward me?? I'm all for the breakdown and the fall, entropy brother...

[olivemike81]

Wow. You got the loser hippy thing down to a science. Good job.

[PrinceMustDie666]

no coppola wisely cut it out of the movie since it has no relevance.

[shirin2556]

plenty of relevance...

[SharkanKuthoshqea]

@shirin2556 Well, its true that empires rise and fall and that America is doomed but seeing how China is becoming more powerful and how poorly it scores on their human rights record I wouldn't be too eager for America's eventual demise. No offense to the Chinese but until your government stops oppressing the Tibetans and Uighurs I'm siding with the americans.

[diddymuck]

could someone explain the symbolic reason for Aurore Clément smoking a cigar? It's too weird to be a naturalisitic act.

[scofieldinasia]

Bobstink:

I said I "served" -- past tense -- twenty years ago.

Acknowledging invasion and occupation for what it is, is NOT hypocrisy.

Countries have a right to have a standing army for defense. They don't have a right to use that army for personal gain and exploitation.

[vokshumana]

This is what mostly happens - personal gain and exploitation.

[danielhiryu]

5:21 That scene is beautiful. Her stare into your eyes...

[scofieldinasia]

The arrogance of white people (european, american, etc) thinking they have the "right" to invade, occupy, and exploit the land and resources of people half way around the world. Cultures that bear no relation or connection to them. Unbelievable.

(I'm white and served in the us army, btw, and I'm still baffled by this stupid arrogance.......and happy to see it fail.)

[BobStinkfulla]

How can you say something like that being a member of the Army? That's just hypocrisy.

[genryuusai]

no it isn't

it's not because you serve in the army for a living, that you can't have your own opinion about the actions of your country

[diddymuck]

you've forgot; after WW2 USA wasonly country with Abomb technology. We could have ruled the world...;and didn't. Wasn't in our agenda then, isn't now. Keeping allies allied is mot ivation for IndoChina.

[mlc34932]

right of might homie

[donorleone]

@scofieldinasia dont forget that invading is not just a white phenomenon. Japan, mongolia, china the zulus, the aztecs, the turks etc etc the list goes on forever

[socctty]

@scofieldinasia I agree except with your use of the term "white". There is nothing inherent in being white that leads to these wars.

It is imperialism, and virtually every culture on Earth has somehow experienced it. It is now associated with "white" people because of the ease of transmission of these ideas through the relatively similar cultures of West Europe and the US.

China will soon be doing this. Once you have the economic resources to try it, the temptation is too large to resist.

[Braunheim]

@scofieldinasia You are insincere to your own beliefs. If you disagree with America's policies, you are free to leave. Your service in the U.S. Army makes you foolish since you defended policies you do not support...

[XmXFLUXmX]

@scofieldinasia Fuck you you self hating commie prick.Maybe you should just move to afghanistan to be with the "indigenous" peoples of the world.

I didn't know that the army lowered its standards to let pussy faggot commies like you in. I bet you were a cook.

[Goldybear1au]

@scofieldinasia Perhaps you need to take a greater global and historical perspective. While European colonialism has created instability across the planet, let's not forget the Japanese, Indonesians and Chinese (just to name a few).

[strategus999]

Great scene, How French communist govermnt destroyed French army. The same stuff BHO is planing with Amercan Armed Forces. BTW French won military in Algeria, but were later betrayed by De Goule.

[funtimefreddy34]

francis ford coppola genius he even covered the whole history adding the french point of view its a pitty he had to cut this scene out for the american cinema and for the time duration of the film

[SEETER1]

love this part

[saveourcar]

silly

[CoolKidX85]

BORIN IN THA BEGNING!

[Madjetdeux]

I'm French and for me it was a misstake to cut that scene out for the first version of A.N. First because french aren't represented has Parisian with the baguette, the Eiffel tower and stuffs like that. Even if they look very isolated in there garbage, they have their viewpoint specific and eggaly confuse. However when he says "we fight with nothing to make something but you fight for the biggest nothing of the history" It's allready true today, not only for Americans but for all nations

[red6352]

french also and can say that this kind of dinner and this conversations was current in the france of 60's... french are the best, french army is the best, etc...

[Dmasterman]

I wonder how that French Plantation was never found by VC or NVA..

[GibbletsMcGinty]

I read an early draft of the script where one of the French says they have an 'arrangement' with the NVA. But this is 1969 and the war hasn't really spread to that area so the VC/NVA would likely leave them alone. But if this place is inside the Cambodian border, in a few months the Pentagon will begin authorising secret B-52 strikes all over and the Khmer Rouge will take over the area, murdering any caucasians. Then they'll have no choice but to leave for the Cambodian capital of Phnom Penh

[Dmasterman]

If the VC and NVA would leave them alone, I wonder why they carried guns... I thought it was because they wanted to live there, and were prepared to fend off VC attacks. Hm.

[TomthatiscalledTom]

There was also a lot of banditry in that part of Indo-China (still is today) I reckon a platoon of VC would pick them all off pretty quickly. But some of the older men e.g. the woman's dead husband had been soldiers in the 1946-53 French war and the guns could be left over from then

[Dmasterman]

Yeah, and thats why I was wondering why the VC didn't find and kill them.

[radio187]

I don't know why people are shocked that the US installed the NLF. We also created Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, Augosto Pinochet, The Shah of Iran... It was all part of the Cold War. Dien Bien Phu was a joke. A friggin paint ball brigade could have wiped out the French.

[Thesiral]

does anyone out there know history?

[Dreaded88]

Yes. I do. Much of wht they say about Dien Bien Phu is accurate. The French command estimated the VietMinh would not be able to get the cannon's uphill.

[Thesiral]

the guns were the least of the problem

logistics

I both pity and love the French... atleast they tried

[radio187]

Yeah, the field commanders should have disregarded everything after "The French command estimated..."

[jacktheripoff1888]

Actually, the first American casualty of Vietnam just may well have been FDR himself. On April 12, 1945 he was at Warm Springs GA. He got a call from the US ambassador to France who brought up Indochina and France's desire to get it back. FDR (already very ill)became furious and yelled "I don't want to hear another god damn word about Indochina" and slammed down the phone. Less than an hour later he complained of a bad headache and soon after died from a cerebral hemmorage.

[jacktheripoff1888]

America helped create the Viet Cong BEFORE 1945, we did it after Pearl Harbor to help the Indochinese force Japan out when they invaded in 1940. After WW2 we did not want the French back in and we had Ho Chi Mihn as a "nuetral" Communist like Tito. But France refused to help in any post WW2 rebuilding and anti-Soviet defence alliances unless we helped them get back into Indochina.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

[bamadawgsc]

Best part of Redux!! Too bad the US didn't learn from the other French failure - Algeria.

[Staszu13]

Churchill said it best: America does the right thing...after exhausting every other possible option.

[Stramii]

Russia vs. Usa 100% genuine cyrstal clear

[danjosimo3000]

You know.....Australia was there too ;)

[hoteldriver]

Kissing Imperial French ass so we could get our way in Europe became the name of the game as we also expediently sought to master Asia. Asia wasn't buying....!

[radio187]

Not. The US was not in love with France at the time because Mssr. De Gaulle spewed the most anti-American rhetoric this side of the Kremlin. The war there was considered the logical next move to shore up the periphery of Asia after the armistice in Korea. The commies were trying to expand their sphere of influence over the entirety of Asia, and the US wanted to check their moves. Problem was, the Vietnamese saw the cause as the path to final autonomy, and saw it as a war of liberation.

[vilaboastream]

The U.S. supported the viet minh when they were fighting againt the japanese but not when they were figting agaisnt the french

[Thesiral]

it is two minutes worth of bad memories

grab your ankles, the thing runs deep

[v1m]

Oy! Wisely cut from the first theatrical release. Painfully pedantic -- it plays like seven minutes' worth of footnotes.

[DanteW86]

fucking french...they've got the fucking nerve to say that the land belongs to them..they don't own shit. that shit belongs to the azns, white man thought he could jsut take it. now they're paying for it..lol, they're dead after the war ended.

[KaptenZom]

It's just a movie, lol.

[bapyou]

There are many books covering this era of American/French/Vietnamese history. Stanley Karnow's <i>Vietnam: A History</i> for one. Also <i>The Last Valley: Dien Bien Phu and the French Defeat in Vietnam</i> by Martin Windrow. Both great works.

[bapyou]

The Viet Minh were not invented by the Americans. They were created by Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap as a resistance movement against the reestablishment of French colonial rule in Vietnam after WW2. During WW2 the VM were helped by the OSS (CIA forerunner) and they gave the OSS intelligence about the Japanese in Indochina. But invented by the Americans? No.

[etreunique]

not invented but financed by the cia from 1946 to 1954.

[bapyou]

Well, it would make sense that the Viet Minh were financed by the CIA: They rescued American pilots downed in Indochina and passed intellignece about the occupying Japanese to the OSS in Kunming during WWII.

[etreunique]

yes you are right, but after ww2 the cia kept on paying the communist against the french. kind of strange politic, isn't it?

[bapyou]

What is your reference?

[etreunique]

in different french and english (or american i don't know) "serious" history books. i'll tell you the name later if you want me to search for it.

[bapyou]

"different french and english..."serious" history books"? That is quite a vague answer on your part. You claim that CIA were paying the Viet Minh to resist the French? Ho Chi Minh sent nemerous communiques to Harry Truman requesting assistance against the French. All went unanswered (source: William Duiker's authoritative 'Ho CHi Minh: A Life', Hyperion Press 2000). American aid was funneled to France during this time; tanks, bombs, etc. were American-made.

[etreunique]

i know that half of the price of this war was paid by the US and that almost all the military supply of the legion and the para coloniaux were US made, but still the cia helped the viet minh financially. what's more many french commandos reported the fact that they saw white military advisors with the viet troops behind the lines. (i'll tell you the name of the books when i'll be home)

[bapyou]

Your statements completely contradict everything I've ever read on this topic. Yes, please give me a citation when you are able. I would like to read your sources myself.

[etreunique]

ok. i'll do it as soon as possible.

[sumo73]

The French Plantation scene is not without it's faults but does give the film a different edge to it. Most films about the Vietnamese war don't give any view from the French or what Indo-china was. You have to understand Vietnams past to understand the war and not watch movies like Rambo which add nothing to this.

[prplhze2000]

true. This part is not entirely true. We helped create a guerilla movement to fight the Japanese during WWII that became the VM. A far cry from creating a bunch of commies to fight the French.

[bapyou]

Besides your imagination, provide us with a  reference to back up your statement. You seem unschooled in the origins of the Viet Minh and the personal history of its leader Ho Chi Minh .

[sharkboy85]

i like the perspective it gives on imperialism that was kind of extant of the original. makes it closer to what is happening today

[JJNroyal]

Martin Sheen was never much of an actor. The same in every role he's had. Even when he played JFK, he was still Martin Sheen. The worst.