20th Century Battlefields - Falklands War

[ashyk72]

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[collomps]

@ashyk72 Paraguay can do anything, they are a 1.4% market for Argentina.

[ashyk72]

@collomps Main import partners are Brazil, United States, Argentina and China i dont think 1.4% you stated reflects a main import as Argentina’s trade surplus with Paraguay in 2011 reached 972 million dollars. so please dont talk shit.

[tobbitwangerscotland]

Why is there no mention of the Vulcan bomber going ahead and bombing the airport on the islands first? this was a huge task itself and should be in this video.

[HauptmannRob]

@tobbitwangerscotland

Because it was a very expensive operation and the closest bomb merely clipped the runway + was easily repaired.with the rest missing. It played little/no part in the outcome of the war itself

[MacPherson97]

@alikos88 Arnt the black watch scottish, i am myself but i never knew canada had a black watch as well

[alikos88]

what pisses me off is how the bloody commonwealth just sat on their arses while this happened. The Kiwis helped with 2 ships but that was all!

I am canadian and I cant believe the Royal Canadian Navy didnt do anything. We could have atleast sent ONE bloody regiment- preferrably the Black Watch.

[HauptmannRob]

@alikos88

This was a British war, not a Commonwealth war. Whilst help from commonwealth nations would have been appreciated, i'm not sure any sizable gesture would have been accepted by Britain.

The US carrier offer from Caspar Weinburger is a prime example, Britain wanted to be seen as mainly winning the war alone and as such most help accepted by Britain was purely logistical.

i think the 2 ships replaced other RN vessels on deployment to let them go to the South Atlantic

[alikos88]

@HauptmannRob

well I suppose this 'seperate entity' attituded is why the British Empire fell apart isnt it? United we were unstoppable. Showed that Kaiser Wilhelm didnt we. My grand father was in the Black Watch and my great uncle was in the Essex and Kent Scottish regiment. As a Canadian I see a British war as 'our problem' too. Call me loyalist but thats how i feel.

[HauptmannRob]

@alikos88

Nope, the reason why the British Empire failed was the world got smarter + wanted independence.

GB didn't act as a septerate entity, look at India for a classic example heavy use of native sepoy troops + mercenaries, then there's the KGL, 60th RAR, the British Empire was fine with employing foreign troops to fight in her armies.

Thats fair enough, but most commonwealth countries prefer to not look like they are under the will of the UK.

[addyelen]

.I think British also using USA for brain washing to fight or competition with Russia,China...so there would be no dominant power in the world in front of British empire..this is their way in the history

[HauptmannRob]

@addyelen

That makes no sense at all.

If you mean the UK is brainwashing the US, you must be having a laugh. The British Empire started degrading after WW2 and certainly doesn't exist today.

And if you really think the UK could try be ahead of the US/China/Russia even if it wanted too then you must have an extremely low mental capacity.

[edisyar]

Argentina was not even country when the FALKLANDS were under British rule..They started a pointless war which they had no hope of winning as soon as British boots were out of the sea and hit the ground.

Those islands are now owned by British blood and will now never be a part of Argentina and they need to get over it and move on because this subject is CLOSED,,,

[MrOldPenguin]

What the fuck were Argentina thinking when they thought they could beat the British?!

[HauptmannRob]

@MrOldPenguin

the key to the answer is "come and have a go if you think you're hard enough"

They thought they were, so they tried, but they weren't ;)

[staggabob]

@MrOldPenguin They didn't think that. They thought the British wouldn't bother to react.

[verwoerd]

The recipe for Argentinia to gain the Falklands is quite easy: Stop bullying the Falklands Renounce the territorial claim and replace it by a friendly invitation Stop brainwashing children into believing the F.I. are Argentinian Get the Argentine economy and finances thoroughly right Establish stable democratic institutions and traditions Treat the press and opposition with respect Root out corruption Trade peacefully with the F.I. ...do so for at least 50 years. Then a change may make sense.

[faustto333]

colonialistas salgan de Malvinas que son de Argentina. usurpadores

[amichair]

there should be a Call of Duty on the falklands war. just saying :)

[MrLizbudu]

I hope Argentina will fight for Falklands again...

[HauptmannRob]

@MrLizbudu

Part of me does, but the rest doesn't

Besides, they can't fight anyway. They don't have the technology or the experience the UK forces can bring to a fight.

[EarlRegent]

@MrLizbudu They will be crushed if they dare.

[MrGreatrex]

@MrLizbudu you mean fight against

[ianrkav]

@MrLizbudu Is this because you're a Ghurka:-)?

[spaghetto12]

@MrLizbudu What good would come of it?

[negvar]

@MrLizbudu But they would lose again. And this time the British are prepared. Argentina knows it.

[clusterfak]

@MrLizbudu Really? UK will kick their asses back into the stone age lol

[Forkroute]

Seems the Brits had no military tactics what so ever.

[HauptmannRob]

@Forkroute

of course we had tactics, it was just in the case of this war most of the 'important' (for the want of a better word) stuff happened in the air or at sea. It didn't really go into the land battle very much.

[parasean22]

don't fock with us Brits.. enough said.

[Whatever81417]

Google "Parachute 2 Club" to see photos and messages from the guys of 2 Para.

[JoxedFtw]

Thank you for the documentary, i was not born when this happend so wanted to get a rough idea of what went on.

[stillceaser]

And Sean Penn is a proper scrotum.

[stillceaser]

Despite all the tired and frankly redundant arguments about claims to sovereignty, it comes down to one thing - Will the UK actually give up its ties to the Falklands? The short answer is 'no'. We are all aware of the compendium of reasons why. The Argentinians would never be able to garner enough serious global support, not that the UK would pay any attention even if it did.

The Islanders are 7,8 even 9 generations deep, it would be crazy to ignore their rights.

[tramigoni]

think the British should take the southern tip of peninsula Tierra del Fuego as a supply base as Argies have no use for it

[HauptmannRob]

@tramigoni

Thats a stupid idea.

[formworksucks]

@tramigoni settle down mate, half of that island belongs to Chile and there's no way we'd let you get away with it.

[frenlags]

the people living in this islands have the right to determine their and show their allegiance to a mother country.

[DaveScarboroughUK]

Really it is down to the decision of the Falkland Islanders, after all they live there and have for a long time.

Presently the overall majority freely think themselves British and wish to remain British; effectively they have a British state of mind.

Something I think the Argentine people don't understand, that as long as this state of mind continues (in the Islanders) then there will be a majority of people from the mainland who will be prepared to personally fight for the right for the Islan

[EliasCalabretta1]

@HauptmannRob

One must remember that Argentina sprung up immediately from the Spanish, and even then, the Spanish were still the first that claimed the islands. If anything they have original ownership, however, as Argentina conquered the ex Spanish territories, it only seems fair that they inherit the territory.

Another option could be a coalition of powers that control the island, however, since when has there even been a multinational body ruling over a small island hmmmm? :/

[HauptmannRob]

@EliasCalabretta1

The French set up a colony in 1765, the British then did in 1766 then the French let Spain have theirs in 1767

The plaque claiming British sovereignity was left in 1776, when the British left then the Spanish left a plaque around 1811. Argentina as a country did not even exist until 1816.

True, they fought Spain and captured territory and landed in 1833 which the British then 'captured' back because it was British as they had an earlier clam than Spain.

[ianrkav]

@HauptmannRob John Snow mentioned in this vid that Argentina had control for a 'decade' up to 1833. I can't find that in any history I've read so far. What I have found is that they had a garrison between December 1832 to January 1833. Before that they had minor control between August 1829 to December 1831, but they were then called 'The United Provinces of the River Plate,' and didn't even have full control over what is now Argentina, let alone the Falklands! John Snow was wrong.

[HauptmannRob]

@ianrkav

That part is wrong, yes.

I suppose one could argue the Spanish heritage on the islands being counted as Argentina (although not legitimate)

There's no way diplomacy will work. Argentina wants sovereignity over the Falklands and the Islanders won't allow it and neither will the UK

[ianrkav]

@HauptmannRob Doesn't work! The Argies claim they gained all former Spanish colonies when they won their indepenence from Spain. In that case and by the same logic they should claim the rest of Spanish speaking South America too, Lol:-)

Their claims have no substance or sense! They're simply using the Falklands to divert their own people from more important issues back home!

[ianrkav]

@HauptmannRob Maybe they could compromise. Jaw Jaw is better than war war surely?

[HauptmannRob]

@ianrkav

Of course, however the Argentine agenda is that they will only accept sovereignty of the Falklands and nothing less. The UK will not entertain any notion even remotely resembling that idea down to principle and the wishes of the Islanders.

Its why talks have not amounted to anything and never will unless either the UK or Argentina changes their stance (which is unlikely given that both sides believe to be the rightful 'owners')

[ianrkav]

@HauptmannRob By the way, they were not officially called 'Argentina' actually the 'República Argentina' until 8th August 1860! So much for their claims:-)

[HauptmannRob]

@EliasCalabretta1

Overall, Britain had a previous colonial claim than Spain so if you want to call the 1833 visit to the Islands "Argentina recapturing the islands from Spain" when actually it was British territory, the Brits were perfectly entitled to land and claim back the land which was rightfully theirs (something the Spanish didn't do, bit of a hint)

[jayinspain]

@HauptmannRob So wait a minute, Spain originally claimed Argentina as theirs but Argentina conquered the ex Spanish territories and claimed it as theirs, all sounds familiar, oh wait a minute Argentina say that's not allowed.

[megustaelpingpong]

@HauptmannRob Actually, most of the countries in america (the continent) had their INDEPENDENCE! Do you realize that the kelpers don't want their independence?And even they dont have their own guns?... How that could happened? Maybe and I say Maybe, because they want to remain british as they are british... The empire, yet still trying to get resources from America (the continent),

[HauptmannRob]

@megustaelpingpong

There is also a UN charter on a right to self determination, in real life the claims of 200 years ago matter little. The UN (if they do anything - which they most likely wont) would support the rights of the islanders (some whom can trace their ancestry back 200 years, more so than any Spanish/French settlers that were there.

Plus, you think Argentina trying to change the sovereignity of a people against their will wont be considered colonialism?

[megustaelpingpong]

@HauptmannRob Did you realize that there is a UN development oriented exactly on colonialism and this is very much studied, how 3000 brits in ARGENTINA can claim self determination?

[Zetinstar]

@EliasCalabretta1 Is geographic location a salient argument? The people who live there, like any other people on the planet have the right to self determination.

[gopconservative78]

France would have surrendered....something the British will not do!

[HauptmannRob]

@varitech100

Argentina briefly claimed the Islands in 1833 (despite both Spain and Britian claiming sovereignity) and left when instructed too by the British.

British troops disembarked on 3rd Jan and replaced the Argentinian flag with a British one, returned the flag to the Argentinian commander who left on the 5th.

Obviously he thought they had no claim, otherwise he would have tried to resist or negotiate than simple leave.

[HauptmannRob]

@varitech100

Briefly, Argentina can go fuck themselves. France, Spain and Britian have had some presence on the islands before 1833.

[varitech100]

Piratas, volveremos y los sacaremos a patadas !!!!!

podrán tener mas armas, pero jamas tendrán nuestro coraje...

es solo cuestión de tiempo...

[williamgavinfinlay]

Geographical proximity as a basis of claiming sovereignty. Surely Argentina should claim Uruguay as well? It's even closer! And the two countries were governed jointly in the past.

The legitimacy of the Argentina claim to the islands is 0%.

Argentinians you have 3 options.

1 - Accept the situations

2 - Persuade the islanders to become Argentinians (without machine guns this time)

3 - Go to war again

That's it.

[HauptmannRob]

@XxGREATxBRITAINxX

It didn't use to be you stupid fuck, go get an education and learn to spell you retarded cunt

[HauptmannRob]

@willitumach

If Argentina wants the Falklands, they'll have to fight for them. The Islanders want to remain British and don't want to be a part of Argentina, politically and morally Argentina doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Either way, they are British and will remain so. If you want the Falklands you're going to have to fight for them, and so far the track record doesn't look great for Argentina.

[munkofpunk]

"not surrendering to the bloody argies" fucking legend

[HauptmannRob]

@munkofpunk

sums up the British attitude :)

[GunaMalaysia]

@munkofpunk

Respects to British Military.

[cmbatwnded]

@munkofpunk but  he surrendered

[hackerisslv]

why couldnt they do a 50/50.. atleast some of the people who want to live in england side would be happy

[HauptmannRob]

@hackerisslv

Thatcher would never have done it, a British territory was invaded and globally it would have looked weak if Britain had done a 50/50 deal. Besides Argentina had the belief they could hold the entire Falklands against Britian anyway.

Not only would it have been portrayed as Britain being a 'sell-out' to the Falklanders, neither party would have agreed to it. Britain out of principle, and Argentina out of arrogance

[hackerisslv]

@HauptmannRob i mean why couldnt they make 50/50 deal before Argentina invasion..

[HauptmannRob]

@hackerisslv

Because it was a British territory which independantly governs itself. Geographical location doesn't come into it if the islanders want to remain British.

Not to mention splitting the island would cause more problems, everyones getting jittery from Argentinias mainland, imagine how tense it would be right on their doorstep.

[bigrobnz]

It was a very tough battle and both sides deserve respect for it.

[HauptmannRob]

@bigrobnz

See, this is the sort of comment i like to see on any history video, a nice respectful comment. Not the usual ' X country sucks, Y country is the best' garbage you see these days.

[Joshnotchuck]

@HauptmannRob while I agree with you in that people should be making better, more informed comments, I don't think any country deserves respect for starting a war, especially with no grounds. The men on the ground of both sides, however, deserve respect.

[HauptmannRob]

@Joshnotchuck

I mean respectful towards the blokes on the ground, the ones who actually have to do the job.

[ar2014]

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