John Stossel & Milton Friedman - NewWaveSlave.com

[bahramf]

1$=1vote, 1vote=1vote

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEMOCRACY AND UNBRIDLED CAPITALISM!

[stebecool]

@bahramf Who do you think has done a better job of catering to your wants and needs? Business or government?

[bahramf]

@stebecool Well, gov't is supposed to, business is not!

[stebecool]

@bahramf Business naturally does "not" cater to your wants and needs? Where in the world do you get these beliefs from. Your mindset is so unbelievably backwards.

[bahramf]

@stebecool What are you implying I believe? I don't think business naturally caters to all our wants and needs. Where is your evidence to say it does/has? Where do you get your beliefs?

[Steusar]

Excuse me, professor? Have YOU ever lived in Mexico? Have YOU ever lived in Indonesia? Do you know how much it will cost to school a 12-year old kid in Indonesia? What would you recommend then if both parents work, and yet they barely pay the electric bill and food on the table? Give the kid an Xbox so he can play all day long? Get a freaking life!

[bahramf]

@Steusar He recommend fair wage laws that wouldn't force parents to make that awful choice. Also, what does being to Mexico have to do with knowing child-labor is wrong?

[MatthewRider1]

Does Ben Barber really think that government "belongs" to us?!?

[HbarMagnus]

@MatthewRider1 under the constitution it should, but we don't follow the constitution, and plus the gov't has gotten so friggin huge and creepy, and it won't stop growing...

[bahramf]

@MatthewRider1 In a democracy it's suppose to moron.

[MatthewRider1]

@bahramf It was a rhetorical question dumb fuck. Of course it's supposed to be "for the people".

Do you think the members of congress care about you or think they work for you??? If you do, you must be a retard.

[bahramf]

@MatthewRider1 Members of congress are elected on that basis. Board members to a corporation are not. That's the difference, genius.

[bahramf]

@MatthewRider1 Also, how is that rhetorical? You don't think the gov't belongs to us? Do you believe in democracy at all?

[MatthewRider1]

@bahramf Their ACTIONS are what matters. Every time they vote raises for themselves, accept money and gifts from lobbyists, and brake the very laws they create, demonstrates how little they "serve / belong" to the public.

[UCSDEngineerDoctor]

Government does not give you freedom, it only limits them. Limit government to increase your freedom. OBAMA does not want you to have freedom. OBAMA needs you to be dumb, on welfare, & food stamps, so that OBAMA can tell you want to do, want to eat, & what to think.

[bahramf]

@UCSDEngineerDoctor You're making an assertion with no evidence!

[TheMasonator777]

Representative government is what the original Boston tea party fought for, not free markets.

[TheMasonator777]

I love that dividing us into individuals, rather than uniting as a democratic electorate, makes for a strong society. Unbelievable...

[TheMasonator777]

Ignorance is strength, war is peace, they all apply here.

[ariuszarim]

Oh, slavery is freedom, I get it.

[mbuel]

Utopian statists never give up on their humanity enslavement.

[stebecool]

If we had a truly free market. Oil wouldn't have subsidies so gasoline supplies would be short enough to make other energy sources economically practical. Instead, oil demand is artificially propped up past its free-market equilibrium and makes risky drilling in 10,000+ feet of water practical. Government intervention in itself requires more government intervention to solve the problems that the original government intervention created. It's a viscous cycle that liberals will never understand.

[Kazekoge101]

@stebecool to be fair though I don't think liberals are pro-oil subsidies, that's more of a corporatist politician problem. Separation of business and state!

[stebecool]

@Kazekoge101 Yea you're right I should've said "statists" which includes certain people on both the right and left. You see many other problems caused by government incentives that the "modern liberals" support (which are really anti-liberals if you consider the term to mean freedom. They hijacked the word).

[bahramf]

@Kazekoge101 Who is for subsidizing oil companies!? So they can increase production of pollution?

[HbarMagnus]

@stebecool spread the word man.

[horseofcoursetack]

@stebecool I'm not sure they do not understand. The more I listen and watch, the more I come to think that they are nihilistic sub-humans. Their goal is the enslavement of man.

[bahramf]

@stebecool 1$=1vote, 1vote=1vote.

That's the difference between gov't regulations and corporate self-regulation. Plain and simple!

[stebecool]

This guy has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

A professor? Are you kidding me? Another example of the short-comings of state-run education...

[bahramf]

@stebecool He's at a private university, but aside from that why don't you attack his arguments and not he himself?!

[stebecool]

@bahramf The University of Maryland is a public university. Please try again.

[bahramf]

@stebecool Whatever, one mistake out of a million correct statements.

[sethisawesome]

Unbridled capitalism in the last thirty years? That is untrue in every way imaginable.

[stebecool]

@sethisawesome I agree. To have a professor, someone who is supposed to be an expert in what he talks about, be as factually wrong as to say that we've had "unbridled capitalism" for the last 30 years leaves me speechless. I guess those U of Maryland degrees must not be worth very much.

[TheMraptor]

@stebecool maryland is such an overtaxed soc state. i'll be moving to virginia ... so much better, cheaper, cleaner, less taxed, etc...

Ppl should just start voting with their feet, much more productive than voting for corrupt, utopian politicians

[djb5255]

3:15 It was the escalating standard of living, courtesy of free market capitalism, that made people view child labor as something unsavory. Up until then the kiddies mended holes, cracked corn, and milked cows just like everyone else.

[djb5255]

1:40 Railroads were uprooted in the 1950's, basically upending the entire industry. This did not happen because of a free market, it happened because lobbyists persuaded the STATE that it would be a good idea to "stimulate the economy".... lobbyists who just so happened to be involved in the emerging trucking industry.

[BillyThorton68]

WOW!!! Dangerous man.

[apnwahoowa]

Where does this guy think he and people like him get the power to tell other people what to do with their money? Just because the government says you can do something doesn't mean you have the moral power to. Laws come from justice; not the other way around.

[Hoschi0913]

this person has totaly lost his sence of common sense,what good would it do when we dont look out for clean water and air ourself? none it would kill us,gov't never is the answer it is the problem

[cdoftx]

Great ideas, because the government is definitely an angel from God sent down to govern us in the most efficient way possible.

[dreamingWisdom]

Ben Barber is insane statist.

[andyz0007]

Big Government = Little citizen

[andyz0007]

Tell that to the Europeans!

[supahsekzy]

Is that a camo tie?!?!

[bocanutz]

That guy made absolutely no sense

[DRABSOLUTETRUTH]

Who needs a Big Bad Gov; the Gov simply comprises people who don't feel the sting personally when they screw up. If a company has to pay a hefty penalty for injuries and/or deaths, they would make the safe place in order to stay in business.. This is yet another whacko Gov proponent..

[asphyxiafeeling]

Stossel has one of the best shows on television.

I WISH we had debates like this on the rest of the MSM!

[PartiallyEnlightened]

This guy has the BP oil spill wrong. I watched some of the testimony of the BP CEO to Congress. The CEO basically admitted that BP cut corners by not using the standard amount of safety devices and procedures when they built the pipe that runs from the rig into the ocean. They violated the current set of regulations that the Government had set for offshore drilling. Adding more regulations would not have made them more honest. They still would have cut corners.

[DRABSOLUTETRUTH]

@PartiallyEnlightened Yes, so what do you do? You have pre-placed fines, penalties for injuries and deaths and destruction to the environment. The fact that mistakes will be very costly is enough to get the company to get their act together and if they don't, they pay big time; enough times they screw up, they go out of business. This would save tons of money by closing down OSHA! Stossel show is the Best!

[RLSanji]

I had to watch this twice. The first time I watched this I just stared at his ugly tie...

[MasterJonze]

Government screws everything up. Get lost

[TerrierToughGuy]

This man is teaching young people???!! I think most teachers smoke the same opium this man does. No wonder our country is dying.

[remshot1998]

is there another video showing the entire thing. this just cuts off before we hear the end

[DREwestcoast]

Stossel sucks..

[rzxwm10]

@DREwestcoast Stossel is awesome

[DREwestcoast]

@rzxwm10 yeah I meant the other guy, my mistake

[rosario508]

John Stossel is not tough enough. He let this socialist moron ramble on endlessly.

[Pipipanda1]

Free capitalism is what we want, not communism.

[Mezey5]

What is with liberals and trains, i mean they think trains should go everywhere and anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if they thought trains should go between oceans.

[riseingstardust]

The quickesst way to enslaveing the masses is capitolism---- It must go before it makes the world unliveable

[Wyattinmnk]

Stossel just allowed that guy to make his huge argument then destroyed it by showing the trends of workplace death, then what does he do? Ignores reality. That is the clear sign of an agenda, and I feel bad for his students. They will not be successful with whatever he teaches.

[3434arc1]

That moron disrupting the ceremony should be made to live in a communist "utopia" for the rest of his life.

[Games2view]

I think he has a right to his opinion even though I don't support his views. I support capitalism but I believe he should be given more of a right to speak up for what he believes in.

[3434arc1]

@Games2view "More of a right"! I hope you are kidding. He's speaking up loud and clear everyday in classrooms doing untold damage. The overwhelming majority of Americans are still common sense patriots who deeply believe in the founding principles of this magnificent nation, thoroughly understand the exceptional nature of America, and are fully aware of the fact that the left is in control of the White House, big media, academia, and Hollywood. We The People-Limited govt-max liberty.

[DREwestcoast]

@Games2view he was allowed to speak up.. his argument was grossly disproved and he retorted to appeal to emotion to support his defense of big government.

[VotePaineJefferson]

When that guy said we've had "unbridled capitalism" the past 30 years here, I actually laughed out loud.

If this is the level of knowledge it takes to become a successful author in the 21st century...if this is what passes for an academic today, the situation is so laughable. If I was the interviewer I would have laughed right in this guys face.

[mixmastermeeks]

Well I want the choice to be able to travel by rocketpack. But I am not willing to pay for it. So it is the job of the government to take money from other people so I can have to choice I am not willing to pay for myself.

[tehatemachine]

this guy really thinks you are more productive when the work environment is unsafe? PEOPLE SHOULD COME TO REALIZE, that when the work environment is more safe. YOU ARE MORE PRODUCTIVE! are items on the shelf more accessible when they are neat and organized compared to when they are not?

[mattrferr]

What amazes me is that he doesn't see that prices are voting made perfect. He would be better to argue that not enough information is attached to the prices, but who can say that enough truthful information is attached to our politicians?

[bahramf]

@mattrferr 1$=1vote, 1vote=1vote.

Prices are voting made imperfect my intellectually inept friend.

[mattrferr]

@bahramf I believe in direct democracy in small community scale to handle certain things. I see no reason to attempt to degrade my intelligence. I am not attempting to degrade you :)

[bahramf]

@mattrferr Well, frankly, America is beyond that. I'd be for that too ,but it's not going to happen

[bahramf]

@mattrferr It amazes me you don't see how illogical that statement is.

[tarabade]

If Ben Barber wants to get together with other socialists and form a community to live by these ideals, go ahead; but leave me out! He doesn't hold ANY claim to the products of my labor. I'll keep mine in the free market, thank you very much.

[Mezey5]

Kids in indonesia work because its better alternative to prostitution or starving to death. I don't understand how people think that developing countries have the same amount of options as we do. People do what they perceive as best for them.

[USTreasuryBond]

This guy is a shill. I just feel like making mince meat out of him on this show. On every single issue he comments on.

[bahramf]

@USTreasuryBond If you could I'm sure you would.

[CSK225]

This guy's an idiot. We need more Miltons.

[trick29420]

I wish i could have worked when i was 12. Could have bought sooo muuch caandy.

[jrwel14]

Proper regulations is an atempt to make corporations honest. And, gives authorities teeth to go after those who are not.

[Mezey5]

@jrwel14 There are such things as smart regulations, but they usually deal with information and laws that prevent stealing, fraud, and third party effects.

[jrwel14]

@Mezey5 Conservatives feel that business should regulate itself. that's like having the foxes regulate the chicken coup.

[quinnrasta]

Wow that guy is an idiot...If you do not like a corporation than vote by not buying their products, plain and simple. Kids in our country had to work because of we were not rich enough or innovative enough at that point to keep them from working. The kids in Indonesia have no choice, most of them that are not working in the factories are put out to be prostitutes. Had we followed this guys logic, we would not have the technology that keeps children from working today.

[zeppelin2224]

it's funny because that 12 year old girl at 5:27 wants to work at $12 an hour.

Liberals don't want people to have the freedom to make that decision for themselves though.

[bahramf]

@zeppelin2224 You think 12 year olds should be free to work? I rest my case.

[5that1dude5]

We vote with our dollar! That BP argument doesn't matter. If you don't like BP, don't go there! It seems though that a majority enjoys BP's product and benefit from it, thus,it is successful.

[ph1984col]

these libtards can't make a single valid argument

[khanmar]

@ph1984col

libtards?

[watertonrivers]

Most Republicans have really become like Democrats, case in point, the Patriot Act, TSA, and DHS. Both parties have become "behemoth government lovers"!!

[seeqr9]

nevermind that they were drilling at an unsafe depth cuz of the regs. nevermind they didnt have to pay as much as they should have for their mistake cuz Gov limited their liability. Thanks for the protection smart guy :)

[mixmastermeeks]

His guest lost in the first minute.

[mi4johns]

Wow, apparently the University of Maryland has no standards anymore.

[darkisato]

and the kids will have 10 years work exp by the time there 22 oh how much work exp will american kids have? well if they did part time at the age of 16 they will have 2 years of part time then another 4 years of work for a total of 6......... but most Americans would have there kids go to school and not really work tell after college. soo at the age of 22 that guy has tons of book smarts and no real world smarts... go America.

[TimothySmithMIPM]

Why is it that those on the left feel compelled to talk so fast and stridently? Is it that they want to compel you with the force of their words rather than the force of the argument? Why isn't this guy as calm, reasoned and rational as John Stossel? And why does he keep attempting to pull at heartstrings with "do you want your children working as slaves" non-arguments?

[tehatemachine]

@TimothySmithMIPM That is a really good question. And I couldn't of said it ANY better myself. It comes to show and exposes their personality and actual beliefs. Which leans towards absolute tyranny.

[ec0n1n0thuman]

Shocking ignorance.

[OfficialFrizzo]

God Bless Milton Friedman!

[tehatemachine]

how the fuck did this guy ever become a Professor at a University.

[DrCruel]

@tehatemachine Clearly, by being an enthusiastic supporter of limousine socialism.

[pablocoon]

In other words don't send your kids to the university of Maryland.

[shaqdaddy11]

IF you own BP stock then BP does belong to you.

[shaqdaddy11]

pay thousands of $ to get an education at the Uni of Maryland from this nitwit? I can get the same sort of education from any 60s socialist for free at any indy rock concert.

[ddustin2008]

What an idiot this guy is. "Oh you have a choice between _____ oil company" u dont understand. What he doesn't understand that with out gov't subsidizing oil companies then we would have more rail and mass transit. Don't say libertarians forgot something while leaving out the biggest negative contributing factor of our energy mess THE GOV'T not the free market.

[mikeyoa]

@ddustin2008 Not sure where you're going with this but public transit is typically heavily subsidized through tax revenue while you can be paying as much as 30 cents a gallon for gasoline. If public transportation is so much better then why is it "public" transportation run by public institutions and not private transportation run by private enterprise?

[AlKadath]

This is a very dishonest piece by Stossel -- Friedman was being booed because of his close relationship with the Chilean dictator and mass murderer Pinochet....

[zeppelin2224]

@AlKadath he was an advisor.. he didnt have a "close relationship"

It's ok when Liberals go to the USSR, meet with stalin and proclaim them to be the best, freest country in the history of the world. but when a Conservative is asked to advisea dictator on how to improve his country, leading to massive economic growth and more freedom for the chilean people, the Conservative is somehow evil.

Funny how that works.

[CloverfieldMonster95]

We don't have a contractual agreement with our politicians. We can't recieve restitution if they fail to do the things we voted for. Democracy fails...

[TheGoober6969]

Ben barber = Eco fascist Statist.

[tehatemachine]

@TheGoober6969 the first second i saw him on this vid. You could tell right off the fucking bat before even hearing him that he is the type of person that likes to control the minds of people around him and forcible persuasion. Then i heard him speak. My first assumption was now an official judgement, Hahaha speaks fast and forcibly.

[scottmuck]

To me, John Stossel and Milton Friedman are heroes. However, in this case Ben Barber makes an argument that is thoughtful and worthy of consideration for its merits. If only all discourse could be at this civil a level.... unfortunately we mostly just hear the likes of Michael Moore spew easily debunked propaganda.

[KenMacMillan]

Americans decided we don't want light rail decades ago when we stopped using it & it became uncompetitive.

[Timb0NZ]

where is part two?

[esotericchick]

Things do not get automatically better in a free society. I'm all for one, but what we have here is not a free society. Whatever your feelings on state regulation, I think it's an interesting point that having 200 choices in cars doesn't make for real choice in transportation. It means you have to drive a car.

And as for the people working around the world, let's let them decide if they want free markets or not and do what we want here. Want freedom? You have to let others have it too.

[Foreshadow44]

This speaker should have also made a note: no one voted for things like a credit report yet it goes along way to keeping that invisible prison in place, the prison of life long debt.

[GalaktikNinjA]

God i wish Milton Freidman was still alive.

[mckx5]

@GalaktikNinjA

We've got Ron Paul.

[tonyteb]

@GalaktikNinjA yea he would tear this guy a new asshole

[3434arc1]

@GalaktikNinjA Milton Friedman would eviscerate this deluded leftist. I just shudder to think of all the young impressionable minds this fool and his ilk have poisoned. Parents had better instill an appreciation & love for the founding principles of this nation long before they are of college age.

[Mezey5]

@GalaktikNinjA I bet he doesn't

[thekoollemon]

yes institute child labour laws in mexico

result: the children starve

[Mikoyan45]

Benjamin Barber said that the poor Indonesians are working in terrible conditions...but these people would rather work in these conditions than have no jobs at all...what does he propose for them to do?

[kurthanson2005]

Barber is full of fecal matter. Typical clueless college Prof who does not live in the real world.

[tcolem79305]

This economist is an idiot! Corporations run the government through lobbyists and they own the media! He says "Just vote them out...." as if it was just that easy! Those of us who know the truth are fighting an uphill battle when trying to inform the American people of the farce of a fascist/corporatist government we have here!

[MrMuttn]

@nyarko20 Nono not all.

This is a Flemish saying.

A socialist who is honest can never be intelligent.

A socialist who is intelligent can never be honest

And someone who is honest and intelligent van never be a socialist.

[supahsekzy]

ROFLS!! While I hate Fox, this guy just got owned at 1:20

[ecnerwal999]

LIBERTARIANMONARCHY . COM

[Freak08701]

barber is fuking stupid

[billiegymbob]

Benjamin Barber is just a fucking moron. Does he not realize that the extra cost of minimum wage is just passed on to consumers? Dumb fuck.

[quadcatfly]

save the whales !!!

[TheMchap123]

LASTLY: Have you ever heard of 'Astroturfing'? Its the practice of 'special interest groups' setting up front organisations to pose as 'grass-roots' movements.

Look, I don't know you. I can't read your mind and neither can you do so to me. We can both only base our judgements on what we see.

Now, reffering to TNWS channel, not wotddw, I see a clear example of astroturfing. Either its staffed by liars or by those who have been roped into the delusion it wishes to spread.

[TheNewWaveSlave]

@TheMchap123 Astroturfing? I post videos that I like and agree with and have somewhat of a connected theme. We obviously disagree, but to call someone delusional who disagrees with you is a bit closed minded. I'm guessing you won't be a subscriber to my channel. :)

[TheMchap123]

CONTINUED

In Oligarchy using your dollar votes for option A produces the same results had you voted for option B. Often the numbers of people voting for A are, over the long-term, roughly equal to those voting for B, resulting in no change in power balance, making the choice even more meaningless. One thing to note here is that, because the choice has no real effect on the issue (eg, pollution) this means the problem goes unresolved. How then do we fix this problem if consumer soverignty won't?

[TheMchap123]

2. Choice... You are only partially correct. The choice does remain, but in an Oligarchy system, like to the Oil Cartel, it exists only in theory and not in practice. In order for choice to mean anything there must be some noteworthy differences between choices. With Big Oil, its a case of ‘Same Candy, Different Wrapper’. Its exactly like the political scenario where there are only 2 main parties who are virtually identical in rule despite any differences in presentation.

[TheMchap123]

1. The Audience: Prove to me that they are not Cherry-Picked or Paid. The Nature of this show is not ‘level fielded’ debate and an equal exchange of views, it is a outlet for a political faction to promote itself as ‘Truth’. They exist to put out the message ‘I’m Right, Your’re Wrong, because I say so, end of discussion’. Its how modern media punditry runs, and why I am very suspicious of the audience, and it wouldn’t be the first time audience manipulation has been used.

[TheMchap123]

Note to: wtoddw.

I was addressing the TheNewWaveSlave, not you. If I pressed the 'reply' button instead of the 'post comment' button, my bad.

Also, I have no idea why your comments have been removed, but I'm going to respond to them anyway.

[TheMchap123]

A Note directly to TheNewWaveSlave.

If you are a corporate front: Fuck You. I hope you, and ALL heartless Capitalists, Proppagandists and Corporate Lobbyists suffer the same fate as Jacob Marely

If you are 'Concerned Citizens', please, Grow Up, stop sucking to teat of Big Business. Stop regurgitating what Pundits and Textbooks say, conduct your own research, deduce your own conclusions. Your choice for wilful ignorance costs the world every time you poison some-ones mind

[TheMchap123]

The audience is a joke. Not only is the audience almost certainly cherry-picked or possibly even paid actors, the 3 or 4 people who applauded might just have been plants in order to create a false sense of realism.

[TheMchap123]

'I can choose not to buy from BP'

2 Problems.

A: Its an Oligarchy. A closed system with few competitors and no real competition. Even on the Free Market's own critieria, this is bound for serious trouble.

B: Most people are simply too weak-willed and too fickle to go through with that, as long as the prices or convieniences are there.

[uschiotze]

Ooooh, dangerous words.