@Samseal16 So you think shooting soldiers who have just surrendered is OK? It doesn't make any bloody difference if they were just shooting at you or not, they have surrendered, they are now non-combatants.
@Anders2185 Yeah tell that to the Dachua gaurds and the other multiple massacres commited by the allies. You can can commit war crimes, just make sure you win. One side is deemed "war criminals" while the others are "war heroes." This is why the geneva code is one sided and stupid.
@Samseal16 Dachau concentration camp guards, men responsible for the Holocaust great example.... the Chenogne incident would have been more appropriate, since they were ordinary Wehrmacht troops not SS. The crimes committed by the Nazis, the SS, the Gestapo far outweigh the handful of crimes committed by the allied forces. I could sit here for hours listing Nazi crimes against the people of the occupied nations and allied POWs, where as with the allies, I would run out very quickly.
@Anders2185 Umm lets see mass rape of german women by the soviets, Two nuclear bombs on the japanese, Allies carpet bombing german towns killing 100.000x ie dresden. Shooting hitlerjugend boys and girls on site by all allies. Also lest we froget the allied death camps for german POWs. Some estimate say 1 million died within a week in the hands of the allies. Also just because their in the SS doesnt mean they are a "bonafied" war criminal. Thats like shooting US marines just because their marines
@Samseal16 The Germans raped and murdered their way across Russia, 1000s of towns were wiped of the map, 3 million soviet pows died in German hands as a result of ill treatment. While what the soviets did was just equally as bad, they did it out of revenge and hatred. I'd like to know what you would have done to end the war against Japan, other than the invasion that would have cost millions more lives than the A-bombs, entire cities were planned to be used as suicide charges.
@Anders2185 Well the japanese navy was well defeated,because of this the United states could have just blockaded the island of japan and starved it too surrender. All at the same time the US air force could have destroyed japans war machine inside the nation using airstrikes. The United States just wanted to show the Soviets who had the biggest bomb, thats it.
@Samseal16 But thats the thing, I dont believe for one moment that the Japs would have ever surrendered regardless of allied bombing, even a coup was even tried to stop the surrender. I also believe the numerous crimes committed by the Japs validated their use, such as the Bataan death march, rape of Nanking, treatment of allied pows etc. The Japs had orders to kill all allied pows and to hide any evidence which would have been put in action had the war not ended when it did.
@Samseal16 Death camps for German pows, only revisionists except these ludicrous figures of 1 or 2 million deaths and the treatment they recieved inside them, the actual substantiated figure is around 10,000. I'm not stupid, not all Waffen-SS murdered allied pows, my grandfather was taken prisoner by the SS at Arnhem, but their name will be forever tarnished by crimes like Le Paradis, Wormhoudt, D'Ardenne and Malmedy.
SSFraudLiar...in order for one to be brainwashed one would first need to possess a thinking brain and your vapid ramblings about how much you hate people and a refusal to accept reality re-reinforce the rumors about you suffering major head trauma or oxygen deprivation in your formative years...sadly not uncommon...and of course that can lead to early curtailment of educational activities and social contacts..I wish you a satisfactory recovery with rest and therapy..
I don't think we will ever find the answer to this, so basically no one can be blamed for anything. Not the Americans, not the Germans. Keep in mind though that not all Germans are bad people, such as not all Americans are good people. All you chauvanists out there, take a look on google for colourful records of your nation's proud history of massacres, as there tend to be a couple for every country. I maintain, no country is better than another. Keep a balanced view, and respect one another.
Pvt. James Mattera of Marietta, PA.. A SURVIVOR.. has gone on record stating the guys of the 285th FAOB (US) were herded into the field, stripped of valuables, and shot piecemeal. RYAN LITTLE should be ashamed !! I've worked in film/tv and would NEVER alter history to make a buck. Mattera also said an officer objected to the confiscations citing the Geneva Convention and was shot in the forehead point-blank! Mattera then distinctly heard "Macht alle kaputt!" (Kill them all). In a word.. MURDER.
@robgalloway1222 of course an American would try and say that they were the victims... what about on D-Day... over 150 Germans were taken prisoner on one beach yet less than 60 survived the trip to the beach.... they were murdered by Americans
@27thlegion 150 Canadians were murdered by the 12th SS Division shortly after D-Day, the SS then left their bodies in the roads to be deliberately ran over by passing armoured vehicles, some SS even defiled their corpses further by popping a bowler hat on one dead Canadian with his mouth propped open with a cigar.
@Katuiros This is a dramatisation, no US soldier shot anyone in real life. SS Private Georg Fleps fired the first shots into the crowd for no reason killing a man next to Lt. Virgil Lary, a survivor who testified at the trial.
@Anders2185 What trial? The Nuremberg puppet trials? You all can a learn a lot just by Skorzeny trial... The allies were all saints I suppose, the problem is that within 100 or 200 years History will be re-written with facts and not the delusion of the victors.
@nmarques7885 Who said anything about Nuremberg? The Malmedy Massacre trials, which were filmed and are on youtube, were held in May to July 1946 in the former Dachau concentration camp. Did i say they were saints? No, don't put words in my mouth.
Peiper's battalion in USSR was called the 'blowtorch battalion' because they had wiped out two Russian villages, to include women and children, and burning all the buildings to hide their evidence. The SS thought that marked him as particularly keen, and he was promoted.
After the shooting stopped a US medic found himself unharmed, his helmet can be found in a museum close to the massacre site, he immediately began tending to the wounds of a soldier next to him. After patiently waiting for the medic to finish, a Waffen SS soldier shot them both. The men of Battery B of the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion should never be forgotten.
That what you call Guards killing at "Liberation" at the C.-Camp at Dachau were over 90% NOT Guards. They were Members of the Waffen-SS and they had nothing to do with the Camp ever! The Waffen-SS was a fighting Group with at least nearly 1 Million Members from all over Europe (e.g. Norway, Belgium, France). SS-Guards - with less then 100.000 Members - ONLY protect C.-Camp-Internees (most criminals!) from escaping. Feel free to read all about the "Liberation" at scrapbookpages above.
@Celtoi61 i totally agree. the inmates of concentration cams were criminals. not olny criminals, i'd even say they were insane. they believed in freedom. and in human rights too.
@dasgellendehorn Quote: "On the day before the liberation ... the acting Commandant, Martin Gottfried Weiss, had turned everything over to a group of prisoners called the "International Committee of Dachau" [= mostly Communists] and had then fled along with MOST of the regular guards that night." Q: What was the guilt of the reserve Guards [mostly Wehrmacht-Members !] and Waffen-SS Members [from Barracks nearby] - that American Troops + some Inmates murdered hundreds of them during that Day?
@dasgellendehorn "Wicker was accompanied by Red Cross representative Victor Maurer who had just arrived the day before with five trucks loaded with food packages." Red Cross visiting many times Dachau (other Camps too) - at the Liberation Day too. Why does the Red Cross not complain any bad treatment or the like against the (again: most criminal) Inmates? Would you persist saying that all Examiners were deaf, dumb and blind - til now? Feel free to argue like that, i still believe their Reports.
@Celtoi61 the nazi murders didnt only kill jews and POWs. they also killed: social democrats (father of a frriend of mine survived but was beaten blind), communists, centrum party members, monarchists, jews, catholics (plus other relig. too), homosexuals, listeners to "enemy" radio stations, patriots of many nations (germans, austrians, and many more, whos only crime was to believe in their country), unionists. the list is endless. even for telling a joke.
1. Think this is not the relevant Threat to start a debate on Principles (or Victims) at Concentration-Camps (or Internee-Camps at allied Side, like on this map (mostly only Decent of) German Civilians in the US (12/41-7/48!) img.photobucket.X/albums/v637/merlin61/Diverse/BekannteUS-Zivilinterniertenlagerfr OR the GuLags in the USSR shown here rymaszewski.iinet.Y.Z/6escape ) or the Reason why these Inmates has to be confined too...
2. Give one's a careful consideration to the Headline ("The Malmedy Massacre") and pay your respect to the 400 Sentences who are interested at this Theme.
3. Finally, feel free to read all about behind the Links given YOU to the Scrapbookpages-Sides, in one of my last postings here. If you cant read or understand english language, it`s not my fault or any other here - a Translater may help you.
Thats all i had to say to your point of view coming to terms with the past.
@Celtoi61 Victor Frankel was a brilliant psychiatrist who was confined in part at Auschwitz and Dachau. I believe him. You can still find his book, "A Man Searches for Meaning". Of course the Red Cross in Germany was subject to being put into the camps for execution along with Christian ministers. Dietrich Bohhoeffer was one of your 'criminals' executed in the camps.
I always imagine that Malmedy was similar to this. The Germans didn't just up and kill Americans or British forces when captured. In fact, you had an 80% chance of surviving a German POW camp, but an 80% chance of dieing in a Jap one. This scene is either close to reality, or, to make an example, those troops were murdered. I never read the formal report.
I'm kind of astonished by the Germans here moaning about executions of guards at Dachau, many of whom were killed by the liberated prisoners. Is there anything more ridiculous than whining that guards who starved and beat and tortured were subjected to revenge? My uncle was an infantry corporal at the liberation of Dachau. I vividly remember him 25 years later telling us about the thousands of naked bodies he saw stacked in piles all over the camp. He had to run to the bathroom and vomit.
@0willsy01 Yes don't get me wrong I also know not all Germans, Wehrmacht soldiers most obviously, didn't see the Soviets as sub-humans, German soldiers who did openly speak or show these feelings in this regard were branded as "Russian Lovers"
@0willsy01 I still find that hard to believe considering what the appalling atrocities committed by the Einsatzgruppen & the SS that any military authority under the Nazis would prosecute a soldier over a rape of someone they've been taught to believe are subhuman and expendable. I have heard though of 1 case in Poland '39, the soldiers concerned were charged with "shame against the race" rather than rape.
[KNOWN!] "German POWs and wounded killed in March & April 1945" [only north+middle of Germany] scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MurderedPOWs.
"On April 29, 1945, the day that the SS surrendered the camp at Dachau, American soldiers of the 45th Thunderbird Divi. of the US 7th Army lined up [nearly 500!] surrendered Waffen-SS soldiers against a wall and machine-gunned them down in the SS Training Camp, next to the concentration camp." [they had nothing to do with the C-Camp ever!]
" ... After all these years he still thought it wrong for the Germans to have shot at a couple of escapees since this action resulted in the pandemonium that caused additional American deaths. When I asked him what he would have done, had he been ordered to guard German captives and one or more had tried to escape, he answered that he would have shot them. I was unable to convince this ex-GI that this was all the Waffen-SS guards did in this case."
"... Many of these former GIs had been captured in the Battle of the Bulge. Fortunately, I was able to talk to one of the fellows who had managed to escape during the shooting at the Baugnez crossing and make his way back to the American lines. He was one of those men who testified after the war against the Waffen-SS soldiers at the infamous "Malmedy Massacre Trial." In essence he confirmed the story of the incident as I have explained it above. ..."
"...Still other GIs (actually only very few) pulled the handguns they had hidden, or grabbed rifles that were still lying around and fired back at the German guards."
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Only few Americans had a chance to make it to their own forces stationed at Malmedy, and SOME of these honestly believed to have been the survivors of a premeditated massacre. About two decades ago, I attended a meeting of American ex-POWs in Washington, DC. ..."
"... As a result, all hell broke loose. Many of the GIs had heard U.S. [J.-Media-]propaganda [sic!] stories of the SS massacring their prisoners, and they believed that their end was near. They also tried to flee. Others remained on the spot where they stood in the snow, and merely did what soldiers do when firing begins: They hugged the ground, and looked for cover. ..."
Read the following behind my Link several hours before - dont repeat only known (wartime-)cruel-propaganda:
"Once the tanks and other vehicles of Peiper's spearhead were out of sight, some of the Americans realized that they far outnumbered the handful of Germans guarding them. Knowing that American-occupied Malmedy was but a few thousand yards away, they saw an opportunity to escape into the nearby forest. The watchful Germans obviously saw this and fired at the escapees. ... "
Feel free to find out the whole (?) Truth about the "Malmedy Accident" at scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MalmedyMassacre01 ... and the (US-Show-)Trial after the War at the Concentration Camp near Dachau who following them. Think, this is all you can get at only one place. After you read this, i`m shure, it will change your mind in many cases e.g. about Trials after the War, "Treatment" of PoWs from US-Interrogators (mostly ... of German Decent) and many more.
@Beakle The Waffen SS was not a group to trifle with. I'm sure all WWII veterans will tell you that if you were captured by the SS or the Gestapo, you chances of survival were next to none.
@ArchitectDream So you have documents that suggest the Germans did not murder, rape and destroy their way across Eastern Russia? Somehow I doubt that, since veteran testimony either in documentaries and books, on both sides, suggests otherwise.
@ArchitectDream You don't need to tell me how the Russians acted, I'm not bloody stupid. Considering the way the Germans acted towards the Russians as they advanced I'm not surprised in the slightest that the Russians acted the same way in return as they fought back.
@TheDaviniumXX Snipers and Flame-thrower soldiers were universally hated on both sides considering the weapons and roles they performed, they took their lives in their own hands if they surrendered. My Great uncle was a Churchill Crocodile tank commander he said to me if they broke down, they would leg it since they would receive no mercy from the Germans.
I can't believe the amount of rubbish posted in these comments. The fact of the matter is that against all humanity and the Geneva convention 80 US servicemen were moan down in cold blood by SS troops. Despite how it is portrayed here in this film, it was not justified. If the SS had not carried out this massacre some Allied commanders would not have issued these retaliatory style orders and US soldiers would not have taken revenge into their own hands.
@taberr5 I think you need to do some research mate. There were 4 conventions held. The 1949 Geneva Convention was the 4th, and related to treatment of Civilians. In 1929 a 3rd was held which related to treatment of POWs, the 1st was written up in 1864 and related to the treatment of wounded. Germany did not sign the Geneva Convention but the Wehrmacht abided by it.
@Anders2185 Sorry wasn't aware of that there were ones prior to it. In WW2 when Germany started taking Soviet POWs they didn't have the resources to to take care of them so they were executed. That's how everything started. Then word spread that they were killing POWs and everything went to shit. WW2 was hell, I'm just trying to get the point out that the Nazi's were not these evil beings who wanted to take over the world like most people think.
@taberr5 The Soviets did not sign the Geneva Convention so the Germans used that as an excuse to treat them as they liked from the word go, food was deliberately withheld, same as the jews. My Great Uncle spent the last few months of the war in a POW camp and witnessed how Soviet POWs were treated, evil just about sums it up, the SS embody the very idea of evil.
@taberr5 No offence mate but you do seem to either be very naive or lack alot of knowledge in this area. The Treatment of the Jews, Russian POWs, the Organisation Tote and some of the most infamous war crimes against western servicemen, even treatment of the Germans own soldiers and civilians towards the end of the war suggest the Nazis were exactly that.
@Anders2185 I do like studying WW2 but allot of things I find there is allot against. For example pretty much everything on the history channel. It's had to come by good information without finding extremely biased information or completely incorrect. Like for instance the 19 million recorded jews that were killed, when estimates now find it to be closer to 4 million. Still allot but way off. I'm sure you get my drift.
@taberr5 Yeah the History Channel is best avoided if you value your intelligence. I stick to respected military authors and UK history documentaries. 19 million wow which pillock came up with that figure lol
I dont see how this movie is portraying a massacre,the americans started to run and started pushing guards .if german pows started to run away and fight back im sure the americans would shoot them.
@langhard1 Propaganda crap for whom? The real Malmedy massacre was far worse than this. The SS guards were ordered to shoot the US prisoners, who were unarmed and had offer no provocation. During the Ardennes Offensive SS troops under the command of Jochen Peiper murdered about 350 US PoWs and at least 100 Belgian civilians. Due to Cold War politics Peiper escaped the rope he soundly deserved. But he got summary justice from some French patriots in 1976.
@taberr5 Of course the american soldiers killed a lot of german POW's, in Normandie, inside of Germany and of course in the Ardennes, after this massacre! Democracy or simply cowboys?? And of course, a lot of the german POW's were not nazis, just simply soldiers and also 16-17 year old children... well done cowboys, you must be proud for this!!
@dpgth This is what I don't understand. School teaches us that Nazi's were evil and all they wanted to do was kill jews. In reality USA did many "evil" things as well. Such as the concentration camps for anyone of Japanese descent. Not to mention it is apparently not so bad to drop atomic bombs on civilian cities. Who do they think they're kidding? Oh yea, this bullshit is what's been accepted as historically accurate information.
@taberr5 You have absolutely right! But they tell us, that history is written from the victory side! What about the 3.000.000 german women who raped from the red army! They destroyed the cities with phosphor bombs, like in Dresden, Hamburg, Wuppertal etc. There were massakers also! To kill prisoners is also evil and the same like to kill babies, pregnat women and thousands of people with no guns...
@taberr5Rubbish they were internment camps, not camps designed for the industrial murder of an entire people and the Atomic Bombs? Tell me how would you have ended the war? An invasion of Japan maybe costing perhaps millions more allied lives? Japan's defence plans included mass suicide charges of entire cities, the cost would have been enormous far more than the 2 bombs. The Japanese military leaders were not going to surrender, the nuke was the only option, tragic as it was.
@taberr5 How the hell do you think you could've singled out and hit a lone military base from that Altitude accurately with the blast range of that weapon? The Japs didn't care when they slaughtered civilians of their occupied countries.
Absolutely true...Fragmentary Order 27 issued by Headquarters, 328th Infantry on 21 December for the attack scheduled for the following day says: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoners but will be shot on sight."
A further 60 SS troops were shot at a detention camp by the camp guards.
It must also be noted on 16th dec some 50+ SS staff members were discovered by the German forces and had been shot in cold blood by Canadian troops whilst attempting to retreat.
This Video Kinda backs up the Germans defense considering the POWs did shoot and kill a german soldier that was doing his job!!! What was he suppose to do let him run???
Probably the only good thing the Nazi's ever did. Kill American soldiers and you save countless civilians from being murdered. Good job Nazi's, only you didn't kill enough americans.
the real war crimes were committed by the allies...lol look at the bombing of german civilians and nag/hiroshima....you dropped a fucking nuke......and the crimes committed by russians? holocaust x10
interesting that those who side with the Germans concerning Malmedy. Feel that the real crime was that they were tried in the first place. But, if it had been allies being tried in Berlin for the exact same thing. Hitler would have had then all hung. Look at what he wanted done to the sagen 50. He wanted all 70+ executed. Not just the 50.
srsly???? wdf is wrong with these brainwashed fucks talking shit about a country everybody is fucking same people russia,usa,germany,japan,etc etc they all made a mistake reylesbico how about you stfu eh mate you talk shit like you experience it i bet you are a pizza-mongering bastard who sit's everyday and thinks your cool
if you look up the malmedy massacre on wiki then you will see that the americans were treated well, they were even give food almost as good as that of the germans and for some unknown reason, they were fired upon. This reason actually is known and this scene actually captures it fairly well. had the americans not retaliated who knows what could have happened.
Millions of indians were killed by US-army and american settlers. Hundretousands of africans were enslaved by the U.S. Hundrettousands of women and children were killed in vietnam by U.S. bombs... and so on. The U.S. don't have any right to blame germany or japan or any any country in the word. They should think about their own crimes, what they have done in history - there existed enough.
That's possible. But at the end of this slaughter tousands of GI's were dead or crippelt. And at their home, there are waiting tousands of anti-vietnam-war-demonstrators and called them murderers. I don't know it, but what did the american soldiers are winning for their hardships what they survived?
@Yakuza7284 If your idea of "winning" a war is to not KILL the other side but to put them through EMOTIONAL distress than i have "won" this conversation.
@TheYamR6Sp yes, and the American and British warcriminals murdering over 1 Million children in IRAQ, and calling it "democracy", thats "completely normal" too, i think.
@Elberiver11 1 million? um nice of you to make up a lie, in fact only a little over 100,000 Iraqi's civs were killed. and most were killed by Insergents who are nit even iraqi.
or did you forget that Iraq almost had a Civil war. till the U.S Military surge of late 2007.
go do some fact finding. next time kid.
guess what USA doesn't even carry out Combat missions in Iraq any more and look Iraqi Civs still getting killed ya... stfu.
Nobody commited bigger atrocities than the Allied monsters did. The Nazis did commit some crimes too, but thats peanuts compared what you Allied monsters and rapists did to millions of children, girls and women.
Note it was the British Empire and America, two aggressive racist nations who ran Apartheid regimes, are guillty of the world war. The Germans fought a small regional conflict with Poland, and note this conflict was created by the Allies in the first place in 1919, So who is guilty?
During the initial days of D-Day the allies stated that they were to take no prisoners . They even had written orders with them that the Germans recovered on DDay. Many German prisoners where executed after they had already surrendered. It would cause a hinderence by taking prisoners.
Oddly enough much like this situation. But when we kill German POWS its deemed necessary,
The video shows two American's with 101st patches which is there was none killed in the massacre. They were a field arty observation company. There are no German or American witnesses who said anything about a American getting a gun from a German in a hand to hand fight. The German's were in fact in a big hurry and didn't know what to do. Some of the Americans began drifting off to the woods which gave the Germans a excuse to mow the lot of them down. Sill a war crime.
The only evidence they had against was receive by torturing the Germans accusing Germans. Yet again it was a LIE with no FORENSIC evidence. Fuck these jewish controlled goyim allies who destroyed the world. I hope there is a hell for you. You really have deserved it because of being a stupid goyim puppet. You can't get lower than that.
@thevigilanteatheist It was retalitory. The germans started doing it right off the bat. I think its rediculous how American has to follow "rules of war" when no one else does. So, therefore Patton said "Eff that!" He started taking out the German and Japanese POWs too. They were, so why couldn't our guys. Remember, all is fair in love and war. Unless the UN says its not...
@thevigilanteatheist Are you including all the Jews, gypsies, and political opponents? Or don't they count as people. I get you point, the nazies were bad but not as bad as those terrible Americans.
War is hell. While much praise is brought on the brave and heroic acts, years of a bloody war also tend to bring out the worst in men. No one will ever know how many surrendered enemy troops that was getting "disposed" of before they become offical POW's on each side - be it out of hot blood, revenge or logistical reasons. Not that it matter anymore anyhow. I believe many veterans on both sides wanted to forget about things they took part in, willingly or unwillingly..
The strange thing here.. is I see nothing wrong here. Lets just say the Germans were Americans.. and the GI's German.... there is a struggle and a American is killed because he got to close to the POW and lost his weapon.. of course the enemy wants to escape.. this is war after all. The GI fires at the German with the rifle (Combatant) and the POW try and escape.. sorry folks, you cant have the enemy loose in your position the Germans fail to comply and are shot down... end of story?
@JuergenGDB Also I believe its normal protocol for any Army to protect itself.. This video is just that... but it shows good restraint from the Germans to hold fire to try and regain control.. however Control is lost.. the Germans mow the enemy down.. same would have happend anywhere else.. with any other Army. No disrespect to survivors but seein them loose alot of buddies because someone was stupid.. probably makes for a one sided story.
Clearly marked Red Cross Hospital Ship (White Hull, superstructure, stripes and red crosses) attacked in clear calm waters by rocket fireing RAF Beaufighters nine times before she went down 3.5 nautical miles of Cap Promontore. She would be joined by others inc the Monk Olivia, Alexander Von Humbolt, Huxter, Posen, Rostock, Innsbruck, Erlangen etc etc etc etc. All clearly marked.....
@jagerfaust2009 Alexander Von Humbolt. Launched 1906 as a sailing vessel as Reserve Sonderburg. Was sunk by a Swedish freighter in 1957. Was raised and returned to service in 1959. Was converted to a 3 masted Barque in 1988. SMS Posen, one of 4 battleships of the Nassau class for Germany. Fought at the battle of Jutland during World war 1! SMS Rostock, light cruiser bult for Germany in 1914. Also, fought at Jutland. Do you mean those 3?
@jrwel14 Wow you tried to correct me on Hospital Ships (yes I made a tiny mistake) One should have been Alexander (OF) Humboldt and the Rostock and Posen were indeed Hospital ships and were not the same SMS ships you mentioned. Funny how you never mentioned the Tubingen. Now, you say Chenogne was revenge for Malmedy but you are silent on all the others? Again typical. Yes Ninth Fort Massacres happened just to shut you up with your persistance but you refuse to answer my questions (too hard)
@jagerfaust2009 While the Russians did bomb Posen. Can, only say that I dislike many things that they did. But, what they did and what the Americans did were not the same. The Russians were more like the SS in their activities.
@jagerfaust2009 The Tubingen, could only find that the date was confused. Also, what about the fact that the reason why many of the germans who were tried for Malmedy. As I stated, many German -American senators didn't want their countrymen to be tried for warcrimes. Also a senator named Joeseph McCarthy, who became famous for calling everyone a communists yaers later disputed the convictions. So, many had their death sntences commuted. The japanese protested citing racism.
@jrwel14 What do you mean about the Hospital Ship Tubingen? The date was confused?
She was clearly marked with white hull and superstructure with stripes and plastered with Red Crosses.when attacked nine times by RAF rocket fireing Beaufighters in clear calm conditions till she went down.
You say this was a accident? or something....................
@jagerfaust2009 Just that the only data I found listed the date at either August or November 18th. Not disputing you. Just stateing what I found. Also, the only data I found on the Alexander ... was what I stated earlier. About it being sunk in 1957 and raised, etc.
@jagerfaust2009 That's what you people say about the nazis atrocities. They bayoneted the babies at Distomo because of Revenge. Face the fact, what happened at Chenogne was because of what happened at Malmedy.
@jagerfaust2009 Since as you said, I mentioned distomo too much. Then, will add. Saint Anna di Stazzema, OST-Arbeiter,Paramythia,Kalavryta,Kommeno,Koblylisy shooting range, Kraqujevac,Lezaky,Maille,The bunker Tragedy. The camps run by allies after the war? The GERMAN red cross in 1977 stated that at most, only 56,000 died. Not, the several millions that so many deniers claim. Know that deniers do not believe anything the germans say.
@jrwel14 Maybe all the clearly marked Red Cross Hospital Ships destroyed by the allies were all accidents? Maybe collaterol damage? Maybe they destroyed themselves to blame the allies. Gee I'm glad I wasn't on one then, as there were plenty...............
@jagerfaust2009 Shooting at hospital ships are warcrimes.never said either side was perfect. But, when have you ever mentioned one done by the germans? Did find the Innsbruck. Seized bt the germans 21.2 .41. Became hospital ship. Then, in 42 became transport for U-boat hulls. scrapped 7.62. Remember the 50 I mentioned, too!
@jagerfaust2009 Guess they were warcrimes. Just like the Germans sinking the Norwegion hospital ship,"DRONNING MAUD " Also sinking the hospital ships, "PARIS", "BRIGHTON", "Maid of Kent" and the "Newfoundland"
@jrwel14 Yes thats exactly what I'm talking about, when an allied Hospital ship is sunk it is a crime against humanity with the usual outcry that must be punished for such a barbaric act on the high seas. When German Hospital Ships go the same way "who cares, they deserve it" Do you understand me? Most people would not believe you if you told them of Tubingen etc etc "we wouldn't do that"
@jagerfaust2009 Always said that both sides did crimes. My objection is many,(and, I have seen many comments torwards me) that all cases where the Nazis did something are all lies. Many from as they say, Zionists propaganda. But, as Goebbles said,"WE will build the Reich on Propaganda." Showed a photo of a German soldier aiming at the back of a mother holding a child. MelborneMr gave me the typical denier reply. "It's a fake. Done by the communists. Remember my comment about the earths curvature
@jrwel14 I really don't want to have an argument with you on atrocities commited on all sides during WW2, as we'll just go back and forth. At least you look up sites for verification etc etc which most don't. Now I'm not a neo nazi etc etc but personally I bieive that the widely circulated photo you speak of is emotive propaganda as usually you see the end result. It looks staged to me but I understand what you say (its only my personal opinion)
@jagerfaust2009 Agree. When one told me that the Red Cross gave the Nazis camps a thumbs up. I looked on the IROC's own website. Sawhow thet cnfessed to being under controll from the nazis. Even apologised. The Denier denier it . For a Denier can't admit to anything. There is a video with that photo. The Youtube video is called Het Orendeck. Mispelled the last name. It's of the Einsatzgruppen killing jews at Ivangorad, Ukraine 1942. Deniers have to deny ALL proofs that show them wrong.
@jrwel14 If you have time please Yahoo or google "The Laconia Incident" I would value your opinion. Really, not for an argument just your opinion.................
@jagerfaust2009 In a nutshell. It was a german u-boat attacking an enemy ship. Then, trying to save the survivors. Then, as the u-boat attacked the enemy ship. The allies attacked an enemy submarine.The Germans shoud be comended for their rescue attempts. But, both sides did what they were ordered to do. Attack the enemy.
@jagerfaust2009 Will add,(just saw) that the u-boats wer carrying the red cross flag. While the rules of war at the time, did not permit warships to carry the flag. it is an incident that does happen during wartimes. Didn't read all the article. But, it looks as if the allies suffered greatly with the loss of many of their personel.
@jagerfaust2009 And, you are one of the very few, maybe the only one who ackowledged the existance of Ann Frank. Not saying you are a Denier. But, as I mentioned before. Deniers must deny everything.
nazi's, cold blooded murderers,
keanoman1000 1 week ago
Wait so your not allowed to shoot your enemy who was just teying to kill you 5 minutes ago. The geneva code is bullshit.
Samseal16 1 week ago
@Samseal16 So you think shooting soldiers who have just surrendered is OK? It doesn't make any bloody difference if they were just shooting at you or not, they have surrendered, they are now non-combatants.
Anders2185 3 days ago
@Anders2185 Yeah tell that to the Dachua gaurds and the other multiple massacres commited by the allies. You can can commit war crimes, just make sure you win. One side is deemed "war criminals" while the others are "war heroes." This is why the geneva code is one sided and stupid.
Samseal16 2 days ago
@Samseal16 Dachau concentration camp guards, men responsible for the Holocaust great example.... the Chenogne incident would have been more appropriate, since they were ordinary Wehrmacht troops not SS. The crimes committed by the Nazis, the SS, the Gestapo far outweigh the handful of crimes committed by the allied forces. I could sit here for hours listing Nazi crimes against the people of the occupied nations and allied POWs, where as with the allies, I would run out very quickly.
Anders2185 2 days ago
@Anders2185 Umm lets see mass rape of german women by the soviets, Two nuclear bombs on the japanese, Allies carpet bombing german towns killing 100.000x ie dresden. Shooting hitlerjugend boys and girls on site by all allies. Also lest we froget the allied death camps for german POWs. Some estimate say 1 million died within a week in the hands of the allies. Also just because their in the SS doesnt mean they are a "bonafied" war criminal. Thats like shooting US marines just because their marines
Samseal16 2 days ago
@Samseal16 The Germans raped and murdered their way across Russia, 1000s of towns were wiped of the map, 3 million soviet pows died in German hands as a result of ill treatment. While what the soviets did was just equally as bad, they did it out of revenge and hatred. I'd like to know what you would have done to end the war against Japan, other than the invasion that would have cost millions more lives than the A-bombs, entire cities were planned to be used as suicide charges.
Anders2185 2 days ago
@Anders2185 Well the japanese navy was well defeated,because of this the United states could have just blockaded the island of japan and starved it too surrender. All at the same time the US air force could have destroyed japans war machine inside the nation using airstrikes. The United States just wanted to show the Soviets who had the biggest bomb, thats it.
Samseal16 2 days ago
@Samseal16 But thats the thing, I dont believe for one moment that the Japs would have ever surrendered regardless of allied bombing, even a coup was even tried to stop the surrender. I also believe the numerous crimes committed by the Japs validated their use, such as the Bataan death march, rape of Nanking, treatment of allied pows etc. The Japs had orders to kill all allied pows and to hide any evidence which would have been put in action had the war not ended when it did.
Anders2185 2 days ago
@Samseal16 Death camps for German pows, only revisionists except these ludicrous figures of 1 or 2 million deaths and the treatment they recieved inside them, the actual substantiated figure is around 10,000. I'm not stupid, not all Waffen-SS murdered allied pows, my grandfather was taken prisoner by the SS at Arnhem, but their name will be forever tarnished by crimes like Le Paradis, Wormhoudt, D'Ardenne and Malmedy.
Anders2185 2 days ago
Dumb Fucking Asshole Nazis!!!
skudaarkaat1 1 month ago
@skudaarkaat1 Yes, they should have let the prisoners steal rifles and escape.
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tukidream 1 month ago
I don't think we will ever find the answer to this, so basically no one can be blamed for anything. Not the Americans, not the Germans. Keep in mind though that not all Germans are bad people, such as not all Americans are good people. All you chauvanists out there, take a look on google for colourful records of your nation's proud history of massacres, as there tend to be a couple for every country. I maintain, no country is better than another. Keep a balanced view, and respect one another.
HoZzIe27 2 months ago
If thats really the way the massacre happened the Germans did nothing wrong.
STDrepository 2 months ago
that sounds nothing like the mp 40
MegaTrailerparkboys 2 months ago
More Jewish Propaganda
KevinVancouver2 3 months ago
@KevinVancouver2
your jewish.......
etornel79 3 months ago
Pvt. James Mattera of Marietta, PA.. A SURVIVOR.. has gone on record stating the guys of the 285th FAOB (US) were herded into the field, stripped of valuables, and shot piecemeal. RYAN LITTLE should be ashamed !! I've worked in film/tv and would NEVER alter history to make a buck. Mattera also said an officer objected to the confiscations citing the Geneva Convention and was shot in the forehead point-blank! Mattera then distinctly heard "Macht alle kaputt!" (Kill them all). In a word.. MURDER.
robgalloway1222 4 months ago
@robgalloway1222 of course an American would try and say that they were the victims... what about on D-Day... over 150 Germans were taken prisoner on one beach yet less than 60 survived the trip to the beach.... they were murdered by Americans
27thlegion 3 days ago
@27thlegion 150 Canadians were murdered by the 12th SS Division shortly after D-Day, the SS then left their bodies in the roads to be deliberately ran over by passing armoured vehicles, some SS even defiled their corpses further by popping a bowler hat on one dead Canadian with his mouth propped open with a cigar.
Anders2185 3 days ago
If this video is true, German troops were forced to committ the massacre, since the american troops were on a rebellion.
The US soldier who killed the german soldier in the first part condemned his whole platoon to death.
Katuiros 4 months ago
@Katuiros
I understand your opinion but I don't agree particularly.
Germans committed the massacre due a sort of revenge.
In war all men are crazy, war is hell on earth.
woobinda65 4 months ago
@Katuiros This is a dramatisation, no US soldier shot anyone in real life. SS Private Georg Fleps fired the first shots into the crowd for no reason killing a man next to Lt. Virgil Lary, a survivor who testified at the trial.
Anders2185 4 months ago 12
@Anders2185 What trial? The Nuremberg puppet trials? You all can a learn a lot just by Skorzeny trial... The allies were all saints I suppose, the problem is that within 100 or 200 years History will be re-written with facts and not the delusion of the victors.
nmarques7885 4 months ago
@nmarques7885 Who said anything about Nuremberg? The Malmedy Massacre trials, which were filmed and are on youtube, were held in May to July 1946 in the former Dachau concentration camp. Did i say they were saints? No, don't put words in my mouth.
Anders2185 4 months ago
@Anders2185 I don't even remember what I replied, my humble apologies.
nmarques7885 4 months ago
Peiper's battalion in USSR was called the 'blowtorch battalion' because they had wiped out two Russian villages, to include women and children, and burning all the buildings to hide their evidence. The SS thought that marked him as particularly keen, and he was promoted.
DonMeaker 5 months ago
After the shooting stopped a US medic found himself unharmed, his helmet can be found in a museum close to the massacre site, he immediately began tending to the wounds of a soldier next to him. After patiently waiting for the medic to finish, a Waffen SS soldier shot them both. The men of Battery B of the 285th Field Artillery Observation Battalion should never be forgotten.
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Quarkbeidel 5 months ago
@gtimny
That what you call Guards killing at "Liberation" at the C.-Camp at Dachau were over 90% NOT Guards. They were Members of the Waffen-SS and they had nothing to do with the Camp ever! The Waffen-SS was a fighting Group with at least nearly 1 Million Members from all over Europe (e.g. Norway, Belgium, France). SS-Guards - with less then 100.000 Members - ONLY protect C.-Camp-Internees (most criminals!) from escaping. Feel free to read all about the "Liberation" at scrapbookpages above.
Celtoi61 7 months ago
@Celtoi61 i totally agree. the inmates of concentration cams were criminals. not olny criminals, i'd even say they were insane. they believed in freedom. and in human rights too.
dasgellendehorn 6 months ago
@dasgellendehorn Quote: "On the day before the liberation ... the acting Commandant, Martin Gottfried Weiss, had turned everything over to a group of prisoners called the "International Committee of Dachau" [= mostly Communists] and had then fled along with MOST of the regular guards that night." Q: What was the guilt of the reserve Guards [mostly Wehrmacht-Members !] and Waffen-SS Members [from Barracks nearby] - that American Troops + some Inmates murdered hundreds of them during that Day?
Celtoi61 6 months ago
@dasgellendehorn "Wicker was accompanied by Red Cross representative Victor Maurer who had just arrived the day before with five trucks loaded with food packages." Red Cross visiting many times Dachau (other Camps too) - at the Liberation Day too. Why does the Red Cross not complain any bad treatment or the like against the (again: most criminal) Inmates? Would you persist saying that all Examiners were deaf, dumb and blind - til now? Feel free to argue like that, i still believe their Reports.
Celtoi61 6 months ago
@Celtoi61 the nazi murders didnt only kill jews and POWs. they also killed: social democrats (father of a frriend of mine survived but was beaten blind), communists, centrum party members, monarchists, jews, catholics (plus other relig. too), homosexuals, listeners to "enemy" radio stations, patriots of many nations (germans, austrians, and many more, whos only crime was to believe in their country), unionists. the list is endless. even for telling a joke.
dasgellendehorn 6 months ago
@dasgellendehorn "the nazi murders didnt only kill ..."
1. Think this is not the relevant Threat to start a debate on Principles (or Victims) at Concentration-Camps (or Internee-Camps at allied Side, like on this map (mostly only Decent of) German Civilians in the US (12/41-7/48!) img.photobucket.X/albums/v637/merlin61/Diverse/BekannteUS-Zivilinterniertenlagerfr OR the GuLags in the USSR shown here rymaszewski.iinet.Y.Z/6escape ) or the Reason why these Inmates has to be confined too...
Celtoi61 6 months ago
@dasgellendehorn
2. Give one's a careful consideration to the Headline ("The Malmedy Massacre") and pay your respect to the 400 Sentences who are interested at this Theme.
3. Finally, feel free to read all about behind the Links given YOU to the Scrapbookpages-Sides, in one of my last postings here. If you cant read or understand english language, it`s not my fault or any other here - a Translater may help you.
Thats all i had to say to your point of view coming to terms with the past.
Celtoi61 6 months ago
@dasgellendehorn and or @all
Note:
Please modify my first Link shown below change X to "com" and add at the end a ".jpg"
On the second Link change Y to "net" and Z to "au" - and add at the end ".html"
Its sad but true, that nobody cant post completly Links at Youtube.
I`m so sorry about the trouble they made.
Celtoi61 6 months ago
@Celtoi61 the nazigang even killed nazis too: röhm, fegelein, just to mention two.
dasgellendehorn 6 months ago
@Celtoi61 Victor Frankel was a brilliant psychiatrist who was confined in part at Auschwitz and Dachau. I believe him. You can still find his book, "A Man Searches for Meaning". Of course the Red Cross in Germany was subject to being put into the camps for execution along with Christian ministers. Dietrich Bohhoeffer was one of your 'criminals' executed in the camps.
DonMeaker 5 months ago
@dasgellendehorn
Source (and more information): "29 April 1945 - liberation day at Dachau"
scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/LiberationDay
Feel free to read that following too: "The story of Dachau, as told to tourists"
scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/KZDachau/DachauLife01A
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For all are still interested at the Topic-Thread:
scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MalmedyMassacre01
Dont forget to add .html at the end - and change XXX into com ;)
Celtoi61 6 months ago
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Celtoi61 6 months ago
I always imagine that Malmedy was similar to this. The Germans didn't just up and kill Americans or British forces when captured. In fact, you had an 80% chance of surviving a German POW camp, but an 80% chance of dieing in a Jap one. This scene is either close to reality, or, to make an example, those troops were murdered. I never read the formal report.
usmc7242 7 months ago
I'm kind of astonished by the Germans here moaning about executions of guards at Dachau, many of whom were killed by the liberated prisoners. Is there anything more ridiculous than whining that guards who starved and beat and tortured were subjected to revenge? My uncle was an infantry corporal at the liberation of Dachau. I vividly remember him 25 years later telling us about the thousands of naked bodies he saw stacked in piles all over the camp. He had to run to the bathroom and vomit.
gtimny 7 months ago
@0willsy01 Yes don't get me wrong I also know not all Germans, Wehrmacht soldiers most obviously, didn't see the Soviets as sub-humans, German soldiers who did openly speak or show these feelings in this regard were branded as "Russian Lovers"
Anders2185 7 months ago
@0willsy01 I still find that hard to believe considering what the appalling atrocities committed by the Einsatzgruppen & the SS that any military authority under the Nazis would prosecute a soldier over a rape of someone they've been taught to believe are subhuman and expendable. I have heard though of 1 case in Poland '39, the soldiers concerned were charged with "shame against the race" rather than rape.
Anders2185 7 months ago
[KNOWN!] "German POWs and wounded killed in March & April 1945" [only north+middle of Germany] scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MurderedPOWs.
"On April 29, 1945, the day that the SS surrendered the camp at Dachau, American soldiers of the 45th Thunderbird Divi. of the US 7th Army lined up [nearly 500!] surrendered Waffen-SS soldiers against a wall and machine-gunned them down in the SS Training Camp, next to the concentration camp." [they had nothing to do with the C-Camp ever!]
Celtoi61 7 months ago
" ... After all these years he still thought it wrong for the Germans to have shot at a couple of escapees since this action resulted in the pandemonium that caused additional American deaths. When I asked him what he would have done, had he been ordered to guard German captives and one or more had tried to escape, he answered that he would have shot them. I was unable to convince this ex-GI that this was all the Waffen-SS guards did in this case."
End of Quote from my Link scrapbookpages above
Celtoi61 7 months ago
"... Many of these former GIs had been captured in the Battle of the Bulge. Fortunately, I was able to talk to one of the fellows who had managed to escape during the shooting at the Baugnez crossing and make his way back to the American lines. He was one of those men who testified after the war against the Waffen-SS soldiers at the infamous "Malmedy Massacre Trial." In essence he confirmed the story of the incident as I have explained it above. ..."
Celtoi61 7 months ago
"...Still other GIs (actually only very few) pulled the handguns they had hidden, or grabbed rifles that were still lying around and fired back at the German guards."
[...]
Only few Americans had a chance to make it to their own forces stationed at Malmedy, and SOME of these honestly believed to have been the survivors of a premeditated massacre. About two decades ago, I attended a meeting of American ex-POWs in Washington, DC. ..."
Celtoi61 7 months ago
"... As a result, all hell broke loose. Many of the GIs had heard U.S. [J.-Media-]propaganda [sic!] stories of the SS massacring their prisoners, and they believed that their end was near. They also tried to flee. Others remained on the spot where they stood in the snow, and merely did what soldiers do when firing begins: They hugged the ground, and looked for cover. ..."
Celtoi61 7 months ago
@megabuff41
Read the following behind my Link several hours before - dont repeat only known (wartime-)cruel-propaganda:
"Once the tanks and other vehicles of Peiper's spearhead were out of sight, some of the Americans realized that they far outnumbered the handful of Germans guarding them. Knowing that American-occupied Malmedy was but a few thousand yards away, they saw an opportunity to escape into the nearby forest. The watchful Germans obviously saw this and fired at the escapees. ... "
Celtoi61 7 months ago
no way the SS did nt take prisoners....fact..
megabuff41 7 months ago
it is a com-page with html at his end ;)
Celtoi61 7 months ago
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Feel free to find out the whole (?) Truth about the "Malmedy Accident" at scrapbookpages.xxx/DachauScrapbook/DachauTrials/MalmedyMassacre01 ... and the (US-Show-)Trial after the War at the Concentration Camp near Dachau who following them. Think, this is all you can get at only one place. After you read this, i`m shure, it will change your mind in many cases e.g. about Trials after the War, "Treatment" of PoWs from US-Interrogators (mostly ... of German Decent) and many more.
Celtoi61 7 months ago
@0willsy01 On the Western front yes, on the Russian front no.
Anders2185 7 months ago
Eure Darstellung dürfte wohl so nicht stimmen.Die Panzerspitze mit Peiper nahm
diese Gruppe gefangen. Eine panzerspitze bleibt wegen einigen Gefangen nicht stehn.Sie überliessen sie den nachfolgenden Truppen,und mußten weiter.
Was dann geschah ließ sich leider nicht mehr genau feststellen.
Man nimmt an die Ameri. haben sich wieder bewaffnet als sie alleine waren,
und die nachfolgenden Truppen haben sie zusammen geschossen.
Wie auch immer es war ein Dessaster für beide Seiten
Standarte2010 7 months ago
Well...it looks like it was all calm until that american guy started it?....
Not justifying to shoot anyone else but the guy who grabed the german dudes rifle and shot him though...
Beakle 7 months ago
@Beakle The Waffen SS was not a group to trifle with. I'm sure all WWII veterans will tell you that if you were captured by the SS or the Gestapo, you chances of survival were next to none.
oldrocker74 7 months ago
@ArchitectDream yes thanks I know already, and unfortunately they paid the price for that as the Germans were pushed back.
Anders2185 7 months ago
@ArchitectDream So you have documents that suggest the Germans did not murder, rape and destroy their way across Eastern Russia? Somehow I doubt that, since veteran testimony either in documentaries and books, on both sides, suggests otherwise.
Anders2185 7 months ago
@ArchitectDream You don't need to tell me how the Russians acted, I'm not bloody stupid. Considering the way the Germans acted towards the Russians as they advanced I'm not surprised in the slightest that the Russians acted the same way in return as they fought back.
Anders2185 7 months ago
Widzę że sami tutaj profesorowie od historii...
Rafa8689 8 months ago
This is war.. Both allies and axis used to do the same thing.
moviemaker1004 8 months ago
@TheDaviniumXX Snipers and Flame-thrower soldiers were universally hated on both sides considering the weapons and roles they performed, they took their lives in their own hands if they surrendered. My Great uncle was a Churchill Crocodile tank commander he said to me if they broke down, they would leg it since they would receive no mercy from the Germans.
Anders2185 8 months ago
I can't believe the amount of rubbish posted in these comments. The fact of the matter is that against all humanity and the Geneva convention 80 US servicemen were moan down in cold blood by SS troops. Despite how it is portrayed here in this film, it was not justified. If the SS had not carried out this massacre some Allied commanders would not have issued these retaliatory style orders and US soldiers would not have taken revenge into their own hands.
Anders2185 8 months ago
@Anders2185 The Geneva Convention wasn't made until 1949. It was a response to WW2. The war ended in 1945, 1947 if you count the guerrillas.
taberr5 8 months ago
@taberr5 I think you need to do some research mate. There were 4 conventions held. The 1949 Geneva Convention was the 4th, and related to treatment of Civilians. In 1929 a 3rd was held which related to treatment of POWs, the 1st was written up in 1864 and related to the treatment of wounded. Germany did not sign the Geneva Convention but the Wehrmacht abided by it.
Anders2185 8 months ago
@Anders2185 Sorry wasn't aware of that there were ones prior to it. In WW2 when Germany started taking Soviet POWs they didn't have the resources to to take care of them so they were executed. That's how everything started. Then word spread that they were killing POWs and everything went to shit. WW2 was hell, I'm just trying to get the point out that the Nazi's were not these evil beings who wanted to take over the world like most people think.
taberr5 8 months ago
@taberr5 The Soviets did not sign the Geneva Convention so the Germans used that as an excuse to treat them as they liked from the word go, food was deliberately withheld, same as the jews. My Great Uncle spent the last few months of the war in a POW camp and witnessed how Soviet POWs were treated, evil just about sums it up, the SS embody the very idea of evil.
Anders2185 8 months ago
@taberr5 No offence mate but you do seem to either be very naive or lack alot of knowledge in this area. The Treatment of the Jews, Russian POWs, the Organisation Tote and some of the most infamous war crimes against western servicemen, even treatment of the Germans own soldiers and civilians towards the end of the war suggest the Nazis were exactly that.
Anders2185 8 months ago
@Anders2185 I do like studying WW2 but allot of things I find there is allot against. For example pretty much everything on the history channel. It's had to come by good information without finding extremely biased information or completely incorrect. Like for instance the 19 million recorded jews that were killed, when estimates now find it to be closer to 4 million. Still allot but way off. I'm sure you get my drift.
taberr5 8 months ago
@taberr5 Yeah the History Channel is best avoided if you value your intelligence. I stick to respected military authors and UK history documentaries. 19 million wow which pillock came up with that figure lol
Anders2185 8 months ago
@Anders2185 Got any suggested reading for me?
taberr5 8 months ago
mythos malmedy
1987jkilla 9 months ago
I dont see how this movie is portraying a massacre,the americans started to run and started pushing guards .if german pows started to run away and fight back im sure the americans would shoot them.
FR0STY0115 9 months ago
Die amerikanische Hollywood Geschichtsschreibung: Kotz.
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Steinernefront 9 months ago
@langhard1 Propaganda crap for whom? The real Malmedy massacre was far worse than this. The SS guards were ordered to shoot the US prisoners, who were unarmed and had offer no provocation. During the Ardennes Offensive SS troops under the command of Jochen Peiper murdered about 350 US PoWs and at least 100 Belgian civilians. Due to Cold War politics Peiper escaped the rope he soundly deserved. But he got summary justice from some French patriots in 1976.
enscroggs 10 months ago
@enscroggs and the american soldiers had never killed any prisoner, he? And i think you were a democratic country...
dpgth 9 months ago in playlist Malmedy II: Kunduz, Afghan Road by 'US Einsaztgruppen'
@dpgth I don't remember correctly but didn't America retaliate to this by killing German POWs?
taberr5 9 months ago
@taberr5 Of course the american soldiers killed a lot of german POW's, in Normandie, inside of Germany and of course in the Ardennes, after this massacre! Democracy or simply cowboys?? And of course, a lot of the german POW's were not nazis, just simply soldiers and also 16-17 year old children... well done cowboys, you must be proud for this!!
dpgth 9 months ago
@dpgth This is what I don't understand. School teaches us that Nazi's were evil and all they wanted to do was kill jews. In reality USA did many "evil" things as well. Such as the concentration camps for anyone of Japanese descent. Not to mention it is apparently not so bad to drop atomic bombs on civilian cities. Who do they think they're kidding? Oh yea, this bullshit is what's been accepted as historically accurate information.
taberr5 9 months ago
@taberr5 You have absolutely right! But they tell us, that history is written from the victory side! What about the 3.000.000 german women who raped from the red army! They destroyed the cities with phosphor bombs, like in Dresden, Hamburg, Wuppertal etc. There were massakers also! To kill prisoners is also evil and the same like to kill babies, pregnat women and thousands of people with no guns...
dpgth 9 months ago
@taberr5Rubbish they were internment camps, not camps designed for the industrial murder of an entire people and the Atomic Bombs? Tell me how would you have ended the war? An invasion of Japan maybe costing perhaps millions more allied lives? Japan's defence plans included mass suicide charges of entire cities, the cost would have been enormous far more than the 2 bombs. The Japanese military leaders were not going to surrender, the nuke was the only option, tragic as it was.
Anders2185 8 months ago
@Anders2185 So we nuked civilian cities? Nuking military bases would have been smarter.
taberr5 8 months ago
@taberr5 How the hell do you think you could've singled out and hit a lone military base from that Altitude accurately with the blast range of that weapon? The Japs didn't care when they slaughtered civilians of their occupied countries.
Anders2185 8 months ago
@taberr5
Absolutely true...Fragmentary Order 27 issued by Headquarters, 328th Infantry on 21 December for the attack scheduled for the following day says: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoners but will be shot on sight."
A further 60 SS troops were shot at a detention camp by the camp guards.
It must also be noted on 16th dec some 50+ SS staff members were discovered by the German forces and had been shot in cold blood by Canadian troops whilst attempting to retreat.
porty500 9 months ago
propaganda crap
langhard1 10 months ago
@stickfighter51
Or we can kill you and your pathetic war criminal friends to save many innocent lives. ^_^
MrNein9 11 months ago
This Video Kinda backs up the Germans defense considering the POWs did shoot and kill a german soldier that was doing his job!!! What was he suppose to do let him run???
ThrowFatMidgets 11 months ago
Probably the only good thing the Nazi's ever did. Kill American soldiers and you save countless civilians from being murdered. Good job Nazi's, only you didn't kill enough americans.
MrNein9 11 months ago
the real war crimes were committed by the allies...lol look at the bombing of german civilians and nag/hiroshima....you dropped a fucking nuke......and the crimes committed by russians? holocaust x10
Apichapsaroo 1 year ago
@Apichapsaroo HAha at Nurenberg they tried to sanction crimes against humanity , and the soviets had a judge there , haha what a joke .
davazno1 11 months ago
1:48 NOOOO!!! NOT MY SNUFF!!
lordxeras 1 year ago
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lordxeras 1 year ago
interesting that those who side with the Germans concerning Malmedy. Feel that the real crime was that they were tried in the first place. But, if it had been allies being tried in Berlin for the exact same thing. Hitler would have had then all hung. Look at what he wanted done to the sagen 50. He wanted all 70+ executed. Not just the 50.
jrwel14 1 year ago
Churchill and Roosevelt should both be hanged for genocide and warcrimes.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
china forever
kepuysac 1 year ago
You can also look at wwwrheinwiesen.....
hanseatus 1 year ago
srsly???? wdf is wrong with these brainwashed fucks talking shit about a country everybody is fucking same people russia,usa,germany,japan,etc etc they all made a mistake reylesbico how about you stfu eh mate you talk shit like you experience it i bet you are a pizza-mongering bastard who sit's everyday and thinks your cool
LOCKHEED35 1 year ago
whats the big deal? just a bunch of americunts runing like little bitches and screaming like pigs (somebody say Iraq?)
reylesbico 1 year ago
if you look up the malmedy massacre on wiki then you will see that the americans were treated well, they were even give food almost as good as that of the germans and for some unknown reason, they were fired upon. This reason actually is known and this scene actually captures it fairly well. had the americans not retaliated who knows what could have happened.
maxman655 1 year ago
Millions of indians were killed by US-army and american settlers. Hundretousands of africans were enslaved by the U.S. Hundrettousands of women and children were killed in vietnam by U.S. bombs... and so on. The U.S. don't have any right to blame germany or japan or any any country in the word. They should think about their own crimes, what they have done in history - there existed enough.
Yakuza7284 1 year ago
@Yakuza7284 and they learned a valuable lesson, dont fuck with the U.S.A
michaelbrandonmcgee 11 months ago
@michaelbrandonmcgee
The vietnamese army had fucked with the U.S.A. and you lost :-)))))))))))))))))
Yakuza7284 11 months ago
@Yakuza7284 yeah, except for the fact that we had over a 10 to 1 kill ratio. (not made up)
But yes LOL we "lost." or did we just get tired of pushing around a bunch of hut monkeys?
michaelbrandonmcgee 11 months ago
@michaelbrandonmcgee
That's possible. But at the end of this slaughter tousands of GI's were dead or crippelt. And at their home, there are waiting tousands of anti-vietnam-war-demonstrators and called them murderers. I don't know it, but what did the american soldiers are winning for their hardships what they survived?
Yakuza7284 11 months ago
@Yakuza7284 If your idea of "winning" a war is to not KILL the other side but to put them through EMOTIONAL distress than i have "won" this conversation.
michaelbrandonmcgee 11 months ago
@michaelbrandonmcgee
O.K. If you can sleep better than - you're won.
Yakuza7284 11 months ago
@Yakuza7284 I can sleep great thanks XD
michaelbrandonmcgee 11 months ago
@Yakuza7284 Vietnam won dummy
ThrowFatMidgets 11 months ago
@ThrowFatMidgets
You're right. That's what I say, or not?
Yakuza7284 10 months ago
This was not a masacre, the American soldiers tried to attack the germans, and so they had to defend theirselves, i think it's completly normal.
TheYamR6Sp 1 year ago
@TheYamR6Sp yes, and the American and British warcriminals murdering over 1 Million children in IRAQ, and calling it "democracy", thats "completely normal" too, i think.
Elberiver11 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 1 million? um nice of you to make up a lie, in fact only a little over 100,000 Iraqi's civs were killed. and most were killed by Insergents who are nit even iraqi.
or did you forget that Iraq almost had a Civil war. till the U.S Military surge of late 2007.
go do some fact finding. next time kid.
guess what USA doesn't even carry out Combat missions in Iraq any more and look Iraqi Civs still getting killed ya... stfu.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago
Nobody commited bigger atrocities than the Allied monsters did. The Nazis did commit some crimes too, but thats peanuts compared what you Allied monsters and rapists did to millions of children, girls and women.
Note it was the British Empire and America, two aggressive racist nations who ran Apartheid regimes, are guillty of the world war. The Germans fought a small regional conflict with Poland, and note this conflict was created by the Allies in the first place in 1919, So who is guilty?
Elberiver11 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 Or the fact that hitler was a mad facist.
dajohnnyboy252 10 months ago
@dajohnnyboy252 try to study " facism" " National socialism" before you rinse your mouth here !
pomati2000afterban 10 months ago
@pomati2000afterban No thanks , go and bow to hitler.
dajohnnyboy252 10 months ago
2:52 best scene
Bluestorm1989 1 year ago
ive heard that the american commanding officer in charge of the unit say theat they were treated fine
bayerntheiss 1 year ago
During the initial days of D-Day the allies stated that they were to take no prisoners . They even had written orders with them that the Germans recovered on DDay. Many German prisoners where executed after they had already surrendered. It would cause a hinderence by taking prisoners.
Oddly enough much like this situation. But when we kill German POWS its deemed necessary,
Foxtrot262 1 year ago
The video shows two American's with 101st patches which is there was none killed in the massacre. They were a field arty observation company. There are no German or American witnesses who said anything about a American getting a gun from a German in a hand to hand fight. The German's were in fact in a big hurry and didn't know what to do. Some of the Americans began drifting off to the woods which gave the Germans a excuse to mow the lot of them down. Sill a war crime.
phillippatterson1 1 year ago
@thevigilanteatheist LMAO !! Talk to a russian ! How many Russian prisoners returned back to Russia ?
Pyromancy451 1 year ago
The only evidence they had against was receive by torturing the Germans accusing Germans. Yet again it was a LIE with no FORENSIC evidence. Fuck these jewish controlled goyim allies who destroyed the world. I hope there is a hell for you. You really have deserved it because of being a stupid goyim puppet. You can't get lower than that.
suutari13 1 year ago
@thevigilanteatheist It was retalitory. The germans started doing it right off the bat. I think its rediculous how American has to follow "rules of war" when no one else does. So, therefore Patton said "Eff that!" He started taking out the German and Japanese POWs too. They were, so why couldn't our guys. Remember, all is fair in love and war. Unless the UN says its not...
Danfrombackhome 1 year ago
@thevigilanteatheist Are you including all the Jews, gypsies, and political opponents? Or don't they count as people. I get you point, the nazies were bad but not as bad as those terrible Americans.
Ricklawrence 1 year ago
@thevigilanteatheist
War is hell. While much praise is brought on the brave and heroic acts, years of a bloody war also tend to bring out the worst in men. No one will ever know how many surrendered enemy troops that was getting "disposed" of before they become offical POW's on each side - be it out of hot blood, revenge or logistical reasons. Not that it matter anymore anyhow. I believe many veterans on both sides wanted to forget about things they took part in, willingly or unwillingly..
fitte6 1 year ago
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fitte6 1 year ago
I beleve there was a quote said by a man about this " it takes a long time to kill 100 men even when you use machine guns"
WorldWarMovies823 1 year ago
The strange thing here.. is I see nothing wrong here. Lets just say the Germans were Americans.. and the GI's German.... there is a struggle and a American is killed because he got to close to the POW and lost his weapon.. of course the enemy wants to escape.. this is war after all. The GI fires at the German with the rifle (Combatant) and the POW try and escape.. sorry folks, you cant have the enemy loose in your position the Germans fail to comply and are shot down... end of story?
JuergenGDB 1 year ago
@JuergenGDB Also I believe its normal protocol for any Army to protect itself.. This video is just that... but it shows good restraint from the Germans to hold fire to try and regain control.. however Control is lost.. the Germans mow the enemy down.. same would have happend anywhere else.. with any other Army. No disrespect to survivors but seein them loose alot of buddies because someone was stupid.. probably makes for a one sided story.
JuergenGDB 1 year ago
No one from the 101st Div. was at Malmedy. They were not deployed yet.
130panzerlehr 1 year ago
Hospital Ship Tubingen
Clearly marked Red Cross Hospital Ship (White Hull, superstructure, stripes and red crosses) attacked in clear calm waters by rocket fireing RAF Beaufighters nine times before she went down 3.5 nautical miles of Cap Promontore. She would be joined by others inc the Monk Olivia, Alexander Von Humbolt, Huxter, Posen, Rostock, Innsbruck, Erlangen etc etc etc etc. All clearly marked.....
Just added this for the doubters
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Alexander Von Humbolt. Launched 1906 as a sailing vessel as Reserve Sonderburg. Was sunk by a Swedish freighter in 1957. Was raised and returned to service in 1959. Was converted to a 3 masted Barque in 1988. SMS Posen, one of 4 battleships of the Nassau class for Germany. Fought at the battle of Jutland during World war 1! SMS Rostock, light cruiser bult for Germany in 1914. Also, fought at Jutland. Do you mean those 3?
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Wow you tried to correct me on Hospital Ships (yes I made a tiny mistake) One should have been Alexander (OF) Humboldt and the Rostock and Posen were indeed Hospital ships and were not the same SMS ships you mentioned. Funny how you never mentioned the Tubingen. Now, you say Chenogne was revenge for Malmedy but you are silent on all the others? Again typical. Yes Ninth Fort Massacres happened just to shut you up with your persistance but you refuse to answer my questions (too hard)
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 While the Russians did bomb Posen. Can, only say that I dislike many things that they did. But, what they did and what the Americans did were not the same. The Russians were more like the SS in their activities.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 The Tubingen, could only find that the date was confused. Also, what about the fact that the reason why many of the germans who were tried for Malmedy. As I stated, many German -American senators didn't want their countrymen to be tried for warcrimes. Also a senator named Joeseph McCarthy, who became famous for calling everyone a communists yaers later disputed the convictions. So, many had their death sntences commuted. The japanese protested citing racism.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 What do you mean about the Hospital Ship Tubingen? The date was confused?
She was clearly marked with white hull and superstructure with stripes and plastered with Red Crosses.when attacked nine times by RAF rocket fireing Beaufighters in clear calm conditions till she went down.
You say this was a accident? or something....................
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Just that the only data I found listed the date at either August or November 18th. Not disputing you. Just stateing what I found. Also, the only data I found on the Alexander ... was what I stated earlier. About it being sunk in 1957 and raised, etc.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Now you're ranting again, so all the allied atrocities are revenge now? You're a joke......................
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 That's what you people say about the nazis atrocities. They bayoneted the babies at Distomo because of Revenge. Face the fact, what happened at Chenogne was because of what happened at Malmedy.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Not mentioning about Biscari and Patton's response?
....or Major General R Hufft's order.... or Audouville La Hubert? The D Day landings orderes given to many US and Canadian units?
Again no comment on the US run Rheinwiesenlager Camps?
Now please go on more with your Distimo rant which seems to be the centre of your attention regarding WW2
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 The Distomo is because why do nazis think that bayoneting babies is an act of revenge.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Since as you said, I mentioned distomo too much. Then, will add. Saint Anna di Stazzema, OST-Arbeiter,Paramythia,Kalavryta,Kommeno,Koblylisy shooting range, Kraqujevac,Lezaky,Maille,The bunker Tragedy. The camps run by allies after the war? The GERMAN red cross in 1977 stated that at most, only 56,000 died. Not, the several millions that so many deniers claim. Know that deniers do not believe anything the germans say.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Maybe all the clearly marked Red Cross Hospital Ships destroyed by the allies were all accidents? Maybe collaterol damage? Maybe they destroyed themselves to blame the allies. Gee I'm glad I wasn't on one then, as there were plenty...............
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 never said that they were accidents. never said it was revenge either
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 But they weren't war crimes then? The German Hospital Ships.....
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Shooting at hospital ships are warcrimes.never said either side was perfect. But, when have you ever mentioned one done by the germans? Did find the Innsbruck. Seized bt the germans 21.2 .41. Became hospital ship. Then, in 42 became transport for U-boat hulls. scrapped 7.62. Remember the 50 I mentioned, too!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Guess they were warcrimes. Just like the Germans sinking the Norwegion hospital ship,"DRONNING MAUD " Also sinking the hospital ships, "PARIS", "BRIGHTON", "Maid of Kent" and the "Newfoundland"
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Yes thats exactly what I'm talking about, when an allied Hospital ship is sunk it is a crime against humanity with the usual outcry that must be punished for such a barbaric act on the high seas. When German Hospital Ships go the same way "who cares, they deserve it" Do you understand me? Most people would not believe you if you told them of Tubingen etc etc "we wouldn't do that"
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Always said that both sides did crimes. My objection is many,(and, I have seen many comments torwards me) that all cases where the Nazis did something are all lies. Many from as they say, Zionists propaganda. But, as Goebbles said,"WE will build the Reich on Propaganda." Showed a photo of a German soldier aiming at the back of a mother holding a child. MelborneMr gave me the typical denier reply. "It's a fake. Done by the communists. Remember my comment about the earths curvature
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 I really don't want to have an argument with you on atrocities commited on all sides during WW2, as we'll just go back and forth. At least you look up sites for verification etc etc which most don't. Now I'm not a neo nazi etc etc but personally I bieive that the widely circulated photo you speak of is emotive propaganda as usually you see the end result. It looks staged to me but I understand what you say (its only my personal opinion)
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Agree. When one told me that the Red Cross gave the Nazis camps a thumbs up. I looked on the IROC's own website. Sawhow thet cnfessed to being under controll from the nazis. Even apologised. The Denier denier it . For a Denier can't admit to anything. There is a video with that photo. The Youtube video is called Het Orendeck. Mispelled the last name. It's of the Einsatzgruppen killing jews at Ivangorad, Ukraine 1942. Deniers have to deny ALL proofs that show them wrong.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 If you have time please Yahoo or google "The Laconia Incident" I would value your opinion. Really, not for an argument just your opinion.................
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 In a nutshell. It was a german u-boat attacking an enemy ship. Then, trying to save the survivors. Then, as the u-boat attacked the enemy ship. The allies attacked an enemy submarine.The Germans shoud be comended for their rescue attempts. But, both sides did what they were ordered to do. Attack the enemy.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 Will add,(just saw) that the u-boats wer carrying the red cross flag. While the rules of war at the time, did not permit warships to carry the flag. it is an incident that does happen during wartimes. Didn't read all the article. But, it looks as if the allies suffered greatly with the loss of many of their personel.
jrwel14 1 year ago
@jrwel14 Fair enough comments, thanks for looking................
jagerfaust2009 1 year ago
@jagerfaust2009 And, you are one of the very few, maybe the only one who ackowledged the existance of Ann Frank. Not saying you are a Denier. But, as I mentioned before. Deniers must deny everything.
jrwel14 1 year ago