It's been pretty obvious for the entire series that all humans are Cylons. That's why there is a "cycle of time" and why specific humans are playing planned roles...they are programmed to.
The 'Cycle of Time' is what intrigues me as well... Many people forget about the 'All this has happened before...' part and it's probable significance concerning the Final Cylon. As for it being 'humanity' or something else... each speculation seems equally valid to me at this juncture...
Just started BSG (on ep10,season 1). Yet, "all of this has happened before" and "the roles change but the story remains the same" is not a mystery to me. Alan Watts presented this idea. It's within many eastern (vendata, ch'an/zen, chaung-tzu). That the total awareness (noumenon) peers through all phenomenal points (entities with any degree of awareness) and utilizing the memories stored at that point (via the brain). That is how the story remains the same.
Who said anything about Watt's? And New Age? Please... Alan Watts was only a stimulus of information of which some is scientifically accurate. The idea of everything's connection is fundamental to quantum mechanics. Not theory but as near (as an approximation rather than guess) the truth as we have it so far. It can be called quantum entanglement, or it can be called Karma (as causality, before New Age tainting)which depends on either an scientific or empiric approach.
Your whole comment hinges on the assumption that I'm talking about some "infinite possibilities" theory. Anarchy? You're defined (confined) within dualistic concepts apparently. The fact that events have already happened has been proven by basic experiments. Yet, the assumption of time's linearity is a function of the mind. However, rather than asking me what I meant, you assumed you that understood via mere concepts? Does that happen much?
But the cycle of time? That's just the application of time reversal symmetry (supported by relativity with respect to entropy and not contradicted (yet) by quantum mechanics). With every subsequent dimension, you have infinite of the previous. Within the 4th dimension, you have an infinite successive number of frozen moments of space (a timeline). The cylons recognize what the so-called eastern masters pointed at. That life is four dimensional. Humans have 2-dimensional percepts, 3-dim concepts.
That means, we construct three dimensional segments of a four-dimensional totality.
Every subsequent dimension contains infinity of the previous.
The fourth dimension (the first dimension of time, at right angles to the first three) is not an infinite number of spaces because but rather a time-space chunk. The fifth dimension (the 2nd dimension of time), would be Infinity (space-aspect) and Eternity (time-aspect) where in everything exists immutably or is infinite variation at 1 point.
Being 'evolved' it just seems to me that the Cylons understand the universe better than the humans (in certain aspects)... but that understanding is available to everyone, but for 45k survivors, it's doubtful that anyone has amassed that understanding on a sci-fi show... we'll see...
You're making a very good point there. The only thing that makes me wonder: I can't imagine that TPTB would make it so obvious (the Cylon baby clue). It's not like them. But on the other hand, you never know...
Who's voice is that at 0:21? When they're saying "I don't want to be human!" That almost sounds like Brother Cavil...but that wouldn't make sense because I thought his line was killed off (I hope not since Cavil is my fav character next to Cain).
You put it right: _almost_ like Cavil. But not quite, I think. I can't place it myself, but I'd say it's none of the other 10 Cylons either.
And concerning Cavil's line being killed off - I don't think so. My guess is the Cylon Civil War storyline will come up again in the remaining episodes, especially Cavil.
It better because, honestly, they scrapped Pegasus in order to focus on more Cylon oriented stories (which mostly sucked in Season Three, IMHO) then they finally got a very compelling story with the Cylon Civil War and they spent all of three episodes on it! Cavil was the best guest (I think this is due to Dean Stockwell's brilliance as an actor) character (besides Cain) on the show in part, because he was the closest thing to a villain we'll ever get. I identified with him the most...
Right there with you! And concerning Stockwell: He'll definitely be on 'The Plan', the BSG TV movie next year, so there's definitely that to look out for!
It's been pretty obvious for the entire series that all humans are Cylons. That's why there is a "cycle of time" and why specific humans are playing planned roles...they are programmed to.
jnorris441 3 years ago 2
The 'Cycle of Time' is what intrigues me as well... Many people forget about the 'All this has happened before...' part and it's probable significance concerning the Final Cylon. As for it being 'humanity' or something else... each speculation seems equally valid to me at this juncture...
melancholygeek 3 years ago
Just started BSG (on ep10,season 1). Yet, "all of this has happened before" and "the roles change but the story remains the same" is not a mystery to me. Alan Watts presented this idea. It's within many eastern (vendata, ch'an/zen, chaung-tzu). That the total awareness (noumenon) peers through all phenomenal points (entities with any degree of awareness) and utilizing the memories stored at that point (via the brain). That is how the story remains the same.
exilius333 3 years ago
I hope it doesn't end with that type of New Age crap. Infinite possibilities in infinite sentient beings.
To think that some of us have wasted the last 6 years of our life, with that type of wrap up? Wow, that would be a major let down.
No impact from anyone's actions. Doral is no worse that Adama. Deanna is no worse than Callie, that would be a real bummer.
As far as Watts infinite possibilties theory goes, it can be neither proven, nor disproven; but it does lead to a type of anarchy.
Joeeey1 3 years ago
Who said anything about Watt's? And New Age? Please... Alan Watts was only a stimulus of information of which some is scientifically accurate. The idea of everything's connection is fundamental to quantum mechanics. Not theory but as near (as an approximation rather than guess) the truth as we have it so far. It can be called quantum entanglement, or it can be called Karma (as causality, before New Age tainting)which depends on either an scientific or empiric approach.
exilius333 3 years ago
Your whole comment hinges on the assumption that I'm talking about some "infinite possibilities" theory. Anarchy? You're defined (confined) within dualistic concepts apparently. The fact that events have already happened has been proven by basic experiments. Yet, the assumption of time's linearity is a function of the mind. However, rather than asking me what I meant, you assumed you that understood via mere concepts? Does that happen much?
exilius333 3 years ago
But the cycle of time? That's just the application of time reversal symmetry (supported by relativity with respect to entropy and not contradicted (yet) by quantum mechanics). With every subsequent dimension, you have infinite of the previous. Within the 4th dimension, you have an infinite successive number of frozen moments of space (a timeline). The cylons recognize what the so-called eastern masters pointed at. That life is four dimensional. Humans have 2-dimensional percepts, 3-dim concepts.
exilius333 3 years ago
That means, we construct three dimensional segments of a four-dimensional totality.
Every subsequent dimension contains infinity of the previous.
The fourth dimension (the first dimension of time, at right angles to the first three) is not an infinite number of spaces because but rather a time-space chunk. The fifth dimension (the 2nd dimension of time), would be Infinity (space-aspect) and Eternity (time-aspect) where in everything exists immutably or is infinite variation at 1 point.
exilius333 3 years ago
Being 'evolved' it just seems to me that the Cylons understand the universe better than the humans (in certain aspects)... but that understanding is available to everyone, but for 45k survivors, it's doubtful that anyone has amassed that understanding on a sci-fi show... we'll see...
exilius333 3 years ago
He, he... know what you mean. Still something tells me, the solution to the Final Cylon mystery won't be that simple...
melancholygeek 3 years ago
You're making a very good point there. The only thing that makes me wonder: I can't imagine that TPTB would make it so obvious (the Cylon baby clue). It's not like them. But on the other hand, you never know...
melancholygeek 3 years ago
Who's voice is that at 0:21? When they're saying "I don't want to be human!" That almost sounds like Brother Cavil...but that wouldn't make sense because I thought his line was killed off (I hope not since Cavil is my fav character next to Cain).
Inter arma enim silent leges,
ATMD
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
You put it right: _almost_ like Cavil. But not quite, I think. I can't place it myself, but I'd say it's none of the other 10 Cylons either.
And concerning Cavil's line being killed off - I don't think so. My guess is the Cylon Civil War storyline will come up again in the remaining episodes, especially Cavil.
melancholygeek 3 years ago
It better because, honestly, they scrapped Pegasus in order to focus on more Cylon oriented stories (which mostly sucked in Season Three, IMHO) then they finally got a very compelling story with the Cylon Civil War and they spent all of three episodes on it! Cavil was the best guest (I think this is due to Dean Stockwell's brilliance as an actor) character (besides Cain) on the show in part, because he was the closest thing to a villain we'll ever get. I identified with him the most...
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
Right there with you! And concerning Stockwell: He'll definitely be on 'The Plan', the BSG TV movie next year, so there's definitely that to look out for!
melancholygeek 3 years ago