@cgreene34 Well ill take your 234 years and Raise You 30,000 years. We First Nation people, who's values are based on actually sustainability and progress with respect for the earth and the life that surrounds us and just plain doing what is right for humanity those are the real Value of American. I know people like you tend to forget about those types of things. So this is a little reminder, Your American has stood on rotten ground since 1492 and need to return to TRUE American values
People who are members of Occupy Wall Street I suggest you look at this: This man has a true heart for America and won't back down from Wall Street and the Corporations. Want real change for America, the type we were promised in 2008? Well check this Nicholas Pierotti out. He is a man with truly noble wishes for America that is running as an independent in the current presidential election.
I find it amazing, sad, and ironic that the young people in this country wear T-shirts depicting Che' Guevara while they are protesting wall street but Che' while in Cuba was the Minister of Finance, the President of the National Bank, and the head of industry. Yeah, that redistribution of wealth really worked out for Cubans didn't it???
Great. Another asshole that refuses to acknowledge that people are angry! Yes yes yes,everything is fake! Everything is a lie! Everything is for your precious dollar! People like you,fuck you!
i agree with the lynching, that worked for centuries before. the only other way i see is a revolution and after they are overthrown then they go to court, i really do not see any other way
I wouldn't call all of what OWS is doing as a good thing. The demands are insane and the root of the occupation was suppose to be against wallstreet, not against everything else in America. These events are made out more to look like people wanting something for nothing and not just the citizens, but anyone in the world. I'm all for those coming to the country to make good for both them and our country, but this protest is far from that.
@redlegagent - your lack of knowledge regarding the state of our resources and technology is...unfortunate. Not to mention, why the hell would I send poison to people? That's a very sick and sadistic notion. That's not what we're about here. Rather, that's the old world's values. And they need to change for the better. Hopefully you'll find sufficient reason to recognize this necessity at some point.
One of the real problems is this new form of capitalism which is fictitious, based on derivatives and all this financial bs which is just betting on other people's failure, like a big casino in reverse...high finance is like a cult, nothing to do with the capitalism we used to know...
And get the bigger picture. We have the technology and resources to provide everything in the way of basic needs to the entire population. We should focus on applying our science to our humanity and get rid of all of the flawed and no longer relevant methods of failure we hold tightly to. A global Resource-Based economy, also known as an actual economy, is the only way life, happiness and liberty are going to be sustainable anywhere.
@LevNougol = clearly, you've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek etc. Why don't you invent a food processor unit and a transporter so you can beam cheeseburgers to Ethiopia to feed the hungry. LMFAO!!
Mr. Green, you CAN NOT fix these problems in capitalism, in any monetary system, in any system where you profit, you CAPITALIZE, because you HAVE to take from someone else to get it, it is inherently and intrinsically flawed and corrupt, top to bottom, and cannot be any other way. Scrub it and think new thoughts and build new systems or history repeats and we end up here again and again like we have every time before. Forget socialism and marxism and capitalism and all those narrow-minded "isms"
BOO HOO!! Others have more than me. Where's the "fairness", where's my "rose garden". Greedy corporate capitalists are to blame and their quest for "profits". I'm going to tweet my buddies on my blackberry and ask them to protest. Make sure they show up in their designer clothes. We'll all get fast food afterwards. Greedy capitalists - what did THEY ever do for me?? LMFAO!!
I also have a video im coming out with tomorrow with questions for all you protesters. If you can not answer all of them you have no reason to be apart of the protest. Subscribe to see the video then unsubscribe if you like as long as you see it and try to come up with answers to my questions.
I really hope it doesnt turn to marxist revolution with occupy wall street but I dont see it happening any other way with these people. They (the protesters) are going to have to wake up and realize they are being used.
I am going to say slow down, this just started. We need nothing more than to get more people in the street right now. We don't need money or leaders or objectives RIGHT NOW! If we choose those things or let them be known they will become targets for the powerful to use against us. Trust that the universe is going to take care of the guilty. The consciousness is growing. Let the guilty sweat it out, the people have had to for a long time. We have turned the tables, Trust in that. Smile 99%
Please make a clear distinction between "capitalism" and FREE-MARKETS.
Do you think "free-trade", international "outsourcing" of labor, "complex financial instruments", corporate personhood, corporate welfare, etc., are just good, clean, healthy "capitalism"?
Just to clarify, I am VEHEMENTLY opposed to socialism. But the current FREAK-SHOW that masquerades as "capitalism" is any thing but a free-market.
most of the 1%'s, celebs, etc. that are out there supporting the movement such as Tom Morello are STRATEGICALLY DOWNPLAYING AND IGNORING THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE and targeting their anger at private banks that actually have non-elite high net worth individuals as clients (it's a tool to hasten global poverty). the elites in the occupy movement encourage attacks on private banks, while not challenging the FED & considering it peas in relation to other "larger" issues by - that is SUSPECT
i like you a lot man, but this system is gone. The problem with the OWS is they wont man up & start tearing this system down with force. I want the constitution to be wiped clean of statutes & corporate legislation(wishful thinking). I know this is hard for everyone, but voting elected officials is far past any correction. This is a coming revolution. Its unavoidable. The system is full on hijacked. It doesnt matter what individuals want at this point, The corupt system must be stopped.
Do you know how powerful the elites is??? Be also aware of the fact the wall street IS doing a valuable service for the country. Wall Street has a very impprtant role in society.
If you really want to tear the sytem down, how come you dont move to another country? The united states will become a 3. world country if the system is torn down. Just move to a another country, say like Costa Rica
@dunnudoit Can you explain what valuable service Wall Street does for society? You must be dillusional! Wall street is stealing money from society you idiot... things won't be better in another country either... the system your referring to doesn't just affect your little america, it affects the entire World.... WAKE UP IDIOT
Sure, wall street is a market, just as the marked who sells vegetable on the streets. The street market provide a value by selling people vegetables.
What Wall Street is doing is allocating money to businesses that are wanting to expand. Businesses might be like IKEA, that sell you furniture and who wants to build a store in you neigbourhood.
The criticism of wall street is that its NOT doing a good enough job of allocating money, and that it influences politics in an unfair way.
I dont think a MARKET in itself is evil. The supermarket sell you food. Of course if the supermarket is not able to provide good food, you might say it doesnt function in way beneficial for society. Wall Street is also market. They sell stocks, ownership in companies, there. Companies might be like Ford the car manufacturer. I think most will agree that Ford is providing society a service by making good cars. Its nothing evil with owning a stock in that company.
@mooseNZ actually you are an idiot. what does what your opinion about whether or not wall street benefits society have ANYTHING to do with its right to operate? and also, theft is a crime. NAME A SPECIFIC thing STOLEN illegally and who specifically should go to jail for it. the RA RA "wall street" is evil mantra without explicitly stating specific crimes committed yet labeling individuals who work the financial sector thief b/c you don't understand how the industry works is BEYOND IGNORANT.
Be aware that the prosperity is in large part due to capitalism.
Im inclined to believe that you and other revolutionaries are planted by big corporations so that the government can crack down hard on it. Remember, the government is all powerful and can use violence against its citizens.
Once you use deadly violence, the army and police WILL shoot and kill you.
People like you should be reported to the police. In fact i hope the gornment agencies are surveiling you.
@LendMeYourHand i agree. I also like you C Greene. But I think you are so wrong here. You can't fight these criminals with money - they will always have more than you cos of the FED. It must take violence! Walk into the White House and over-run the place... hang Obama and Hillary Clinton and the rest on the spot & film it and distribute to the rest of the world.... walk into the FED and burn Bernanke and the rest... Violence is the only way it can be done
I support OWS, but i will gladly kill people like you on behalf of the system. If my choice is between statues quo and people like you, i chose status quo.
You will not get enough popular support for overthrow of government. The fact of the matter is, if you attack the white house you will not live to tell the tale.
@mooseNZ Thats exactly what i'm saying. I'm just trying to not be so obvious about it. The American people have become soft shoes. They are under the indoctrine that we can achieve this peacefully. But when we look at history we find that the elite just laugh at us. Its simple that violence is the only thing that will clean up this mess. I find it odd how hard society tries to present themselves as credible or that getting angry is out of hand, but we should be foaming at the mouth.
Well, I think Capitalism is the problem, because there is always someone at the top who profits while the rest slave away. I think the real solution IS too go into complete and total revolt of the monetary system. It's sounds so unattainable, yet it IS realistic, it may take a lot of hard work and a lot of time, but it IS possible to live in a society that is resource based and self sufficient. Everyone needs to get in the same train of thought and be willing to sacrifice everything. Imagine.
@vhalcrow Well, you need to sacrifce everything. The easiest way for you of getting writh of money, is moving to alaska and live in isolation as a hunter gatherer. You will have no electricity, no car, no medicine, no produced food. You will be completely self reliant.
The problem is whether YOU are willing to make this sacrifice. I hope you are,
@dunnudoit Actually, I was raised in those conditions for the first 12 years of my life. :) So for me, it's like going home. Yes I'd miss the convenience of modern day technologies and communication, but I'd live. as would everyone else. I have an already very humble life as it is, so I'm kinda looking forward to the collapse. Everyone will be equal that way.
Actually, if thats what you want, how come you dont move to a country that hasnt got the convieniences of modern life. My guess is you flied from those conditions. I hope you go back where you came from.
@dunnudoit wow you kind of an idiot aren't ya? So confrontational and negative. You need a good slap across that delusional mug of yours :)) you racist bigot dickhead conservative loser :)
dude, this IS capitalism. what you want to restore is the rule of law. But stuff like this will always happen under capitalism, because the system turns everything into a commodity, including laws and politicians. just look at all the things that capitalism has commodofied -- sex, children. there won't be enough laws to keep the profit motive at bay. all the laws mean nothing, cause capital, money, is the driving force of this system. LOL even your movement needs capital. see the irony in that?
@dunnudoit I don't think the proper word for that is 'irony'. Capitalism made the mass production of food possible but the REAL irony is that inspite of the mass production of food, people, especially in the US have high rates of malnutrition and disease. Malnutrition from all the processed junk in the food and chemicals that pollute the body giving rise to all kinds of new diseases. Talk about starving. Plus, the US govt has been paying farmers NOT to produce to keep the prices high.
@dunnudoit If you remove capitalism, and therefore capital. everyone would have something to eat, because no one company would own the lands and the crops planted on them. People would not need capital or money to get to the food they need. On the contrary, people are starving now because they don;t have money to buy food, not because there isn;t enough food. The scarcity is in the money supply, not in the food, which is abundant and rotting on store shelves and thrown away in restaurant bins
@piax00 exactly piax this is the fundemantal flaw i see i dont like all this political bulshit and economics when in recessions the factories that make the essentials are still up and running and all the food is still being produced but it'll go to waste! i dont understand why people cant see that there is nothing wrong with the production its the fact that the people working there have no reason to go in if they're not getting paid, we have enough food to feed everyone on the planet yet it dsnt
America does not stand for; only one thing. If anything it should stand for the free exchange of a variety of ideas. Socialism for the poor would make more sense than the socialism for the rich that is in place right now. The poor should be given a chance tp catch up with a decent way of life. America has always been a mixed economy, and ironically, the more' capitlalistic/free market' it tries to be, by deregulation. the more it has to bailout and give welfare to the corporations. haha
Hello -- there actually are American Marxists and socialists., There have been since the late 19th century. Americsn philosopher Henry George believes that should belong equally to humanity. The Veterans Administration is structurally socialist and is the most efficient healthcare system in the country,.Western countries ahead of the US in educaiton and quality of life are mixed ecoomies with socialist and capitalist features. Totalitarian state of China is capitalist.
"This is very scary" - LMFAO!! For having such "hindsight" on this movement, you now realize what's going on. Damn right these Leftist, socialist groups have "co-opted" you - you are their USEFUL IDIOTS!! The banks got away with what the GOVERNMENT allowed - and now you want the government to fix it?? You "anger" is misdirected. lol!!
Don't Be Stupid Be a Smarty Come and Join the #OWS Nazi Party! Forget the rent and tuition YOU BLEW, Go to Wall Street; blame a Zionist Jew!
The General Assembly? Hmm, this is the Meeting where the TOP heads ( You know, not a REAL DEmocracy), give marching orders and talkin gpoints to the great unwashed! CHRIS, READ THE COMING UNSURRECTUION! I have mentioned this quite a few times and this is a small book written by The Invisible Committee, It is the BLUEPRINT they follow
What do we do when we've won? Chris, what part of this should be saved? You seem confused about ISM's. WTF do we care about that? The system you have railed against for 18 months is finally showing fractures. Because it is "deeply flawed". Remember? Don't cur out now!
Now you want to back up and say, wait a minute, we want to fix it, not destroy it. Like somehow it was pure as driven snow shot directly out of the asses of our forefathers? From the beginning it was FLAWED!!
LOL you will all be supporting OWS within the next few months, you will have 600 trillion reasons to destroy the whole dam system. The big banks have already collapsed, they are just hiding their nest eggs away before the official announcement of the shit hitting the fan....good luck
The OWS is likely to be the same as the cross section of general society. A cross section of sheep is sheep. Don't forget society has been dumbed down and "entitled" in mentality... not capitalism.
I guess a NPO needs to be formed which gets funding from a multitude of mid sized businesses. Then, possibly a couple of corporate and constitutional attorneys can get to work. The incentive for the donors would be a rectifying of the business environment and tax write off. We don't have much time.
@UnitedCorpOfAmerica lol too right. Suddenly the same people who voted Bush in twice are going to amass and save us all! Forgive me if I'm skeptical! lol
You couldn't be more clueless... no one wants to end Capitalism... we want to end Predatory Capitalism. We need to stop putting profits before people, we want a fair shake for all. We want to end to the stream of wealth that is constantly going to a small % of so called job creators. We don't want our politicians bought by corporation who turn around and do their bidding. They represent the people, not the donors that pay the most. Not once have I heard anything about Marxist Socialist policies.
@redasscd Profit is part of the capitalist system. It makes everything more efficient. Its the political power of corporations that is the main problem, not profit. For a company to be profitable, it must be efficient.
So... a shop that sell the most goods pr square feet, is the most efficient in the sence that you need less building material and so on to sell the goods. And this business is usually the most profitable.
our only hope is a break-away group of military patriots to plan an inside coup. To storm the white house and the pentagon. Other than that, forget it, we're fucked.
What a dumb redneck you are. Government is providing a lot of services to the people. Societies without government are wartorn and looks to a large degree like New Orleans during Katrina. Dont forget that whne you demonize government.
@DrShitandStank Let me make myself perfectly clear here, and you can cry to youtube if you want. After my entire family(Male members) have stood up for liberty and against tyranny for over 200 years, Which cost us several lives, within our family. I will die, before I stand by and watch Socialists/Marxists takeover America. You are so foolish to believe that Socialism/Marxism is an answer to anything. Ask any Russian . They'll tell you. I pray that you will wake up, and see the light.
@TheExMarineCop do you want to hear the truth Mr. War Vet... the Capitalists hates you. me.. and everyone . They don't care about us. All they care about is more money in their pockets. We are nothing to them. If it have not been for socialism.. our grandparents would never have Social Security but that is going to be on the chopping block soon and i know you and others on here are very happy about it. I hope you find some way to pay for all this privatization crap
@DrShitandStank Well my plan is to loot all the bodies of the dead Socialist Pigs after their little uprising is unmercifully squashed into 6 ft of red clay. I'd say the land, money, and personal property of all you Socialists will pay for several more years of Capitalism. As far as the Govt not caring about me, no shit?? Here's one for you......I do not care about them, Nor do I need or want them to intrude on my life.I do not expect my Govt to babysit me. I'm a man.I can take care of myself.
@TheExMarineCop Bullshit. Are you growing your own food, Are you making your own computers.
The fact of the matter is that you are commenting here shows that you are NOT relying on yourself. Did you build the computer you are typing on, or the food you are eating or the roads you are driving on.
Quit your bullshit macho talk and realis realty. If you want to rely completely on yourself buil a hut in Alaska andcath all your own food, make all your own medicine etc.
Before capitalism was introduced in the 1700s, there was occasions of MASS starvation in EVERY country in the world. Its because of capitalism we are so wealthy and thats why there are no starvation in the rich world and population explosion in the poor world. dont forget that. The main reason for the wall street protests should be that the system is NOT capitalist enough. Corporations that are gaming the system and stops capitalism from working should be punished.
@dunnudoit who said we are wealthy? Hehehehehehehhe.. Wall St Bankers.. Corporations..and other greedy fools, who hate us, are wealthy. We are just peasants. Besides.. American people have a reputation in loving rich people...sad but true. UNited States don't have a future
Capitalism without the Corruption is the solution. For that to happen we need regime change--99% of the people in power are bought criminals and globalists, complete traitors. Beware of all the disinformation spread about Capitalism, it has and still works beautifully w/o the corrutption. We need Justice and w/o we are finished as a country very soon.
wow I guess I thought everyone who'd thought it all the way through was an anarchist...
Restoring the constitution is an interesting thought but I'm not going to live with the possibility that this exact corporatist situation is going to happen again if we keep the old corruptible systems. Besides, how are you going to find non-psychopaths to run them?
Try the Lawful bank method to destroy the bankers, it is based on a UK initiative to Destroy the Corrupt banking system, the Corrupt Courts and eventually replace the government. Can't add the website as youtube won't allow it.
Chris, settle down bro. It ain't all bad. The system you advocate I agree with... it is suicide but I agree with it in that it is a snake eating its tail. Sure, ravamp capitalism. Go for it. It won't stop planned obsolecence and technological unemployment... but maybe it will speed up the process. Any system using money and markets as an intermediary... is doomed. Technology has outpaced its usefulness. Don't be afraid of anarcho-communism. It's the future whether you like it or not. Sorry bro.
Ron Paul runs with a Military Backed Vice President? Then go in and name them, and arrest them for trial. Make them pay back funds, and penalties? Pay down the debt. Cut spending drastically. Vote for people that you know are not going to bow down. I'm so tired of negative thinking.
I share your concerns about any money-grabs without restoring the stolen funds and jailing the criminals. My talks with Occupy protesters & supporters online is mixed results: many proclaim non-violence but many are sheeples not willing to arrest or comprehending the crime itself. 53 trillion in FDIC bailouts for Bank of America are PENDING, new, not old news at all. More FedReserve controlled theft (23A regulatory exemption)
the movement is not killing america, the elites already killed our economy..it is dead. this is anti new world order and is not going to end well for anyone. people are trying to fight the beast system. the beast will not just let this happen. many more tired/poor huddled masses will be starving in the streets as the broken economy trickles down encompass nearly all. there will be fighting and bloodshed. the elites greed has prompted the beginning of the end. the world will never be the same.
Capitalism is organized crime. America has been hijacked by the criminal bankers and corporations. We have lost our country, so socialism looks like a better deal because we all have no good health care. Unless we destroy the insurance corporations, the weapons corporations, bring the military home and turn them against these criminals we will just barley survive and many won't.
So unless we the people throw out all the criminal government we may as well be like Canada and get all the benefits.
@stophypocrisy owning things without theft, producing and selling without fraud, is a 100% non-criminal capitalism. Farming, machining, investing & storing your finished goods or materials. Socialism can exist over top of this rock-solid capitalism if there is no fraud, no centralization, no singular leader/dictators. Wake up. In Canada we have BOTH and both work.
You can't fix captilism. It's dead. don't you get it. You've been sold a bridge to nowhere. Sending people to jail isn't going solve the problem that where created by our phony corrupt brand of captilism. Ending the fed is not enough. Fools die hard. The stupid die harder. Good luck son, you need it.
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@searching68 you can fix capitalism: it does not need fraud to work. You have paper money which is anti-capitalism. GOLD is money, paper is DEBT. Wake up that's NOT HOW IT WORKS. Ending the fed is 80% of the problem. ENDING SHEEPLE STUPIDITY IS THE REST.
Fed just f*&%ed us again. The Fed just approved BoA to move deriviatives from Lynch to BoA Reuters: bofa-puts-taxpayers-on-the-hook-for-merrills-derivatives/?rpc=43
The philosopher Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king. Said Aristippus, 'If you would learn to be subservient to the king, you would not have to live on lentils.'
Show me the MODEL of the Country these OWS desire, show me a thing better than tHe Constitution, show me any other economic model that works other than what we have! THEY CAN'T!! WE have sucky stuff, and system is not perfect BUT it is the BEST on planet earth. Show us, OWS, the country you wish to emmulate !!! Ask them, they can't!!
>> The U.S. and Europe are currently under a fascist corporatocracy. They make the rules, they own the world resources and control the money used to obtain the resources. They also allow heavy force. Democracy and capitalism are gone.
>> show me a thing better than tHe Constitution
The U.S. Constitution is dead. Anybody can be jailed under suspicion of 'terrorism'. Also Europe has new 'European laws' that override national constitutions and laws.
@savgal1211 ..it was the best on the earth until the leaders decided to leave our constitutional rights hanging by a thread, and their greed broke our economic model (so, hence, it doesnt work). we don't want to emmulate any country...we realize that the beastly, greedy system won't back down, will disparage us, and try to jail or kill us. most of us know we are going to die fighting for this cause so that our children and theirs can have a future where there is an american dream again.
I wouldn't worry about it. The majority of people in this country when push comes to shove will want government out of there business.Most liberal democrats will support the foundations on which this country was built. But, freedom will always ring here. When people wake up to the fact that the constitution is in jeopardy, they will defend it. I think revolution is good in this day, in whatever form, because at least people are forced to think. You can't hide or downplay the discontent.
I applaud you for this video. This is truth! The problem is that you have thousands of people waking up right now who haven't been listening to you, or wide awake news, or anyone else on YT, and are very easily persuaded with any BS that comes into their minds. There was no other possibility but for this protest to turn into another problem for the world to deal with. Don't be fooled - the 99% are not all on the same team. Some are awake, most are still asleep.
@julie7156 Yes! The book called THE COMING INSURRECTION, penned by THE INVISIBLE COMMITTEE is ther Play book, and , though people won't always like the man, Glenn Beck broke this plan in 2007! Before anyone, Order the book on Amazon! The Communist Party USA is on video from Chicago supporting htis, their cover is blown, but many SHEEP are ebing Co opted by OWS out of fear, and this is NOT GRASS ROOTS!!Soros and ADBUSTERS pays for it! They get 300 boxes daily og goods, The Unions STORE it
You do know...you have great stage present, when you talk to the cam its like your talking to me and every one else. It doesnt seemed staged like president Obama when he talks.
@jesussaveswithcoupon I saw this coming from a mile away. We all need to pull together to stop the destruction of our country. Check out the song I wrote about it and tell me what you think "Who got the money" by Parker. We can win together!!
This game's in the refrigerator. Until the American people get the balls to remove Ben "Shalom" Bernanke from DA FED, and stop him doing sweet deals like 0% loans to his buddies on Wall Street (like Lloyd "Doing God's Work" Blankfein) and other sucking the life out of the American Middle Class like a Giant Vampire Squid, this system will bring America to total & utter ruin and destitution. Someone has to run the wooden stake through banks like the Giant Vampire Squid. They will never change now!
@dunnudoit Capitalism is going to cause mass starvation, you think these Multi National Agra Corps are going to feed the unemployed? I don't think so. Yeah they have food stamps now cause the Goverment pays the Multi nationals but when austerity kicks in you will see starvation.
No capitalism are the reason for there not being mass starvation. Before capitalism was introduced in England in the late 1700s, mass starvation happend in EVERY country.
People starved to death everywhere when the crop didnt produce enough food. One reason was that the system wasnt as effiecient as today. Leanr your history. Every country without capitalism has had mass starvation, including china in the 1960ies.
@dunnudoit Wrong again, Capitalism has nothing to do with preventing starvation. What has prevented starvation and caused exponetial growth of populations is cheap easy to get fossil fuels, oil. tHAT IS OVER AND TO PROVE MY POINT NOBODY STARVED IN rUSSIA. from 50's on. There was enough food and it was a Communist country.
The availabilty of cheap food is totaly due to CHEAP ENERGY-EDUCATE YOURSELF CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKIONG ABOUT.
The Occupy Wall Street Movement is the liberal version of the Tea Party Movement. The two are diametrically opposed to each other. One is full of rednecks, while the other is full of hippies. They will never join forces. If anything, they will more than likely fight each other. The Occupy Wall Street people are mostly Marxists, and the Tea Party people are either religious zealots, or are for corporatism. Just hopeless.
@Kitcatsatmat Totaly agree, I'm with OWS. I'm sick and tired of Conservatives and their policies that backstop the Rich. I don't think I am alone here. In fact they have taken Capitalism to the level of Criminality. What do you expect the people to do, keep getting Ass Raped by the Same rich Conservatives? Hell no, time for the Conservative that feel some of that hot sausage up their butt tight assholes.
@valhala56 You are delusional if you believe "conservatives" are the main problem. Both parties are influenced by money from wall street. You are NOT with OWS, because OWS are against the Democrats as well.
@dunnudoit I agree both parties are corrupt, in fact I have no use for Politicians period. They are an anchorism. Do you know what that means? A useless thing of the past. What is needed is a new system the Resorce Based Economy-No Politicians period!
@valhala56 A headless troll? And who are going to take grievances from the public? Politicians are law makers. The laws that says no one are allowed to shoot you or steal from you are made by politicians.
@dunnudoit There will be no laws silly person. In a resource based economy there is no money, there is no want, all your needs is supplied. There is no reason to steal because the resources of the world belong to all the people not just a few billionaires.
Whatever grievances will have to be worked out by like a new england town hall sort of situation.
If you look into the RBE you will see it can work for all people of the planet.
@valhala56 . Economy is the science of distrubuting scarce resources. Oil is scarce, land is scarce etc. And you need a system to regulate these things.
I want 10 ferraries, and one jumbojet, but because those products are scarce, they are too expensive for me. So i travel in planes together with 100s of others
You dont need laws??? Go live in a hunter- gatherer society. The murder rates in LAWLESS societies are shockingly high.
@valhala56 The problem with the United States is that people are highly polarized, they can't take the good aspects of both socialism and capitalism and merge them together. They don't compromise here, so you have no change that can benefit society as a whole. People bicker and fight for bullshit ideals. Extreme socialism is as bad as extreme capitalism, like what we had during the Gilded Age from the 1880s to the 1930s. Doing what is good for the nation is more important than lofty ideals.
@Kitcatsatmat You know what I agree with you 100%. In fact I think Socialism is only slightly better then Capitalism - Kind of like a free Prostitute instead of a high priced call girl, Sure the mass's can afford her but she is still a slut.
I call for a new system the Resource Based Economy. No Utopia but probaly the only hope to save Civilization from itself. the Clock on the bulletin of Atomic Scientists is at 2 minutes to midnight.
@valhala56 Socialism is very idealistic, and it doesn't work all the time because of human nature. Human nature is selfish, and greedy this is why capitalism works. It would be great if the wealth of this nation is shared more equally. Some people have too much, and most people have too little. If everyone in a socialist economy worked hard for the society then socialism does work. In reality this isn't the case.
@valhala56 The end result of Laissez Faire capitalism are monopolies and trusts. This is why, capitalism has to be regulated. When corporations and companies get too big, they have to be broken up. When corporations merge, they have to be broken up. This is why they came out with the Sherman Anti Trust Act in the 1880s. The trickle down theories doesn't always work, like people like Greene would expect you to believe. Some things are better in government hands, and others in private hands.
@Kitcatsatmat Again friend I totaly agree with you. Only problem is you are not takeing into account the exponetial growth of world population which is to hit 7 billion this month. We live on a finite planet. Growth is no longer possible. That is why everything is breaking down, it is only showing up first in the financial systems, soon to take down more Goverments-Greece-Egypt most of North Africa.
We have to look at survival & not just an optimal situation but shear survival of our civilizati
@dunnudoit Dude I think I am wasting my time with you. Capitalism yes had somethng to do with cheap abudant food but the biggest reason we have cheap abbundant food is OIL. Think it about for a second. Take away OIl, no fertilizers, no disel powred tractors, no refrigation, no processing plants no semi trucks that bring food all over the country. This is all due to cheap abunadunt energy and that is OVER. nOW we have expensive hard to get energy ala Alberta Tar Sands-Fracking deep water ect.
@Kitcatsatmat I disagree. Occupy wall street is a very diverse group of people.
Those who want a fair system with a level playing field are still around.
But yeah, you have to watch of for the fuckers who wants marxism or a revolution. Those guys are not for fairness and prosperity, they have their own hidden a agenda.
@dunnudoit The Occupy Wall Street crowd are mostly college students, and the colleges are known for their extreme left views. I am not saying everyone there is a liberal, there might be some constitutionalists, but the majority are hippies. The majority of people in the Tea Party movement are rednecks, and that is a fact.
@dunnudoit In a purely capitalistic system, the word fair cannot exist in the same sentence. In a purely capitalistic system, the big guys will buy out the little guys, or put them out of business. This is why government steps in with regulations to protect the little guy. Like what Walmart is doing. They put all the small stores out of business with using shareholders money.
Chris Capitalism is already dead. OWS is just going to finish it off with the coup de grâce. You are clinging to a dying system. You can't stop what's coming anymore then you can stop a bullet in mid flight or change it's course. Capitalism has failed the people, oh it has been great for the 1% but for US it has been a miserable failure.
I know it's hard breaking up with something you love, but your lover has cheated on you. Do you really want to take her back so she can stab you in the back?
As a dutch citizen who is very happy to live in a more socialist country, where we still have good education, healthcare and minimum wage i am appalled to see how the USA is becoming a third world country. I see now how the investmentbanks continue to rob the rest of the world. I support the revolution occupy wall street. I care about the planet, the future of our children. We should strive for more equality.
Russia went from Communism to extreme Capitalism. The extreme irony of it all would be if America went from Capitalism to Communism. Why not? Germany under total economic collapse went from Monarchy to National Socialism (a combination of Nationalism and Socialism, sounds innocuous enough). These things take on a life of their own in collapsing economies and countries. Welcome to Realpolitik and Realhistory (Geschichte). You may not get what you want or think will happen. Other countries didn't
The reason is that nothing is better than distrubiting scarce resources than capitalism.
Its the incentive for making profit that makes capitalism work. If a bus company wants to make money, it has to buy the cheapest busses possible, buy cheapest gasoline possible, lowest wages possible etc. This makes it a efficient way of transporting passengers.
Your wish for profit, means that you will chose the cheapest and most effective way of transport.
The opinion of the guy in the video is that what we have now isnt pure capitalism. The bus company might through political connections andd lobbyism get a contract and favourable conditions that give the company LESS competition. The idea is to make it a system were EVRYBODY with good ideas can succid.
If i invent a car battery that makes cars cheaper to drive, the connections of oil companies shouldnt stop me from bringing it to the market.
@oitzingerpeter Profit motives of the farmer, makes the bread you eat cheaper. If the incentives are right, he will grow corn in the most effective way possible. Your decision to buy the cheapest corn for your bread, means that the guy who are the most effective producer of corn wins over ineffective producers. This is the market system. You will buy the cheapest air plane tickets. The company who are most effective tranporting passengers on planes, are the cheapest.
@dunnudoit Really? that does not apply anymore cause the Farmers now are Muti National Congolmerates like Monsanto. The small Farmer has been wiped out by the Agra Corporations, FORCED TO BUY NON HEIRLOOM SEEDS AND PROSECUTED BY THESE AGRA CORPS IF A SEED EVEN IF BLOWN BY THE WIND INTO THEIR FARM THEY ARE TAKEN OUT OF BUSINESS BY THE AGRA CORPS.
So why don't you stop with the Bull shit lies, people aren't buying them anymore.
@valhala56 OWS are protesting against these corporations who are NOT competing fairly.
If the system was fair, small farmers who are producing food in an effective way, will be able to succeed.
But the point remain the same. PROFIT motives are necessary for an efficient system, You have profit motives as well. You choose to buy the cheapest food because it save you money. By buying the cheapest food, you makes sure that the most efficient producers win in the market.
@dunnudoit Here is the problem with your dogmatic belieifs. Capitalism had it's day, just like Feudalism had it's day, just like all the other previous systems but it IS NO LONGER WORKING. There are reasons that I can't get into such as Peak Oil & Overpopulation & resource depletion. Fundamentaly that is the cause of this whole mess, we have got ourselver into unsustainable growth & hit a resource wall in Capital, Water, Oil & soon to be food.
There are 7 billion people in the world today. Without capitalism, there are no way it would be possible to support that many people. The population in the world exploded once the capitalistic sytem was introduced.
Its a whole another issue if its sustainable to have 7 billion people in the world, but be aware that massive death is the alternative. Yes global warming and peak oilare dark clouds in the sky, but is pretty grimm to want billions to die.
@dunnudoit Look at my comment 3 comments down, I said 7 billion people this month-Capitalism has caused FUKISHIMA.BP BLOWOUT IN THE GULF OF MEXICO, TEXAS DROUGHT. Peak Oil, Water shortages. Capitalism only rapes the planet that is how it works but extracting resources with no thought to the consequences. Capitalism is literaly choking the life out of the planet. This shit has got to go-Jaque Fresco!
Yes it has to go if you are prepared for massive genocide, Adolf Hitler.
The oil produced in the Mexico gulf is used to transport people on planes.
But its also used in fertilizers for food productions. It was the introduction of fertilizers that hindered mass starvation in the world n the late 1960ies.
The mexico gulf oil is used in plastic, in fertilzers , in cars that transports food etc. End all that and be pepared for starvation all over the world.
@dunnudoit Uh yeah and you added in things that I forgot like Plastics, medicines the damn case your computer is made out of , half your friggin car is made out of OIL.THE TIRES lol. If you think about you will realize that Capitalism is only half the equation it was Oil that brought us abundance . You ever heard of the FRIGGIN PETRO DOLLAR?The real reason why we went to war with Iraq and libyia cause Saddam stopped tradiing his Oil for dollars? Think about it.
I agree, the "occupy" movements are full of lame Marxist ideas. Marxism is getting a bit of a revival, and its hard not to draw connections with the Zeitgeist Movement.
TZM is not desirable, I'll make my stance clear. I've read The Communist Manifesto, and it makes fundamental mistakes. I think we're seeing these ideas at OWS because TZM is large and has some momentum. Many good people who have desired change the last couple of years have gone there first. They need educating and redirecting.
The modern dark age have already begun. Instead being brought in by silence, it is being brought in by noise.
piperadio 1 month ago
@cgreene34 Well ill take your 234 years and Raise You 30,000 years. We First Nation people, who's values are based on actually sustainability and progress with respect for the earth and the life that surrounds us and just plain doing what is right for humanity those are the real Value of American. I know people like you tend to forget about those types of things. So this is a little reminder, Your American has stood on rotten ground since 1492 and need to return to TRUE American values
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proud99percentmember 3 months ago
I find it amazing, sad, and ironic that the young people in this country wear T-shirts depicting Che' Guevara while they are protesting wall street but Che' while in Cuba was the Minister of Finance, the President of the National Bank, and the head of industry. Yeah, that redistribution of wealth really worked out for Cubans didn't it???
TheSugarcube2 4 months ago
Great. Another asshole that refuses to acknowledge that people are angry! Yes yes yes,everything is fake! Everything is a lie! Everything is for your precious dollar! People like you,fuck you!
moediggity28 4 months ago
i agree with the lynching, that worked for centuries before. the only other way i see is a revolution and after they are overthrown then they go to court, i really do not see any other way
TheLordInglip 4 months ago
there is nothing alternative about this video, same old,same old, protecting the rich!!!!
Virola2000 4 months ago
@Virola2000 What are you even talking about?
moonbaby625 4 months ago
What's going on in wall street is socialism for the upper class
Virola2000 4 months ago
I wouldn't call all of what OWS is doing as a good thing. The demands are insane and the root of the occupation was suppose to be against wallstreet, not against everything else in America. These events are made out more to look like people wanting something for nothing and not just the citizens, but anyone in the world. I'm all for those coming to the country to make good for both them and our country, but this protest is far from that.
loveusorleaveus 4 months ago
This country will not recover , our collective Karma is a pile of dead children worldwide.
chazman800 4 months ago
What's going on in wall street is socialism for the upper class.
sdrawkcabebag 4 months ago
@redlegagent - your lack of knowledge regarding the state of our resources and technology is...unfortunate. Not to mention, why the hell would I send poison to people? That's a very sick and sadistic notion. That's not what we're about here. Rather, that's the old world's values. And they need to change for the better. Hopefully you'll find sufficient reason to recognize this necessity at some point.
LevNougol 4 months ago
We are the 99%
RevampedWrestling 4 months ago
One of the real problems is this new form of capitalism which is fictitious, based on derivatives and all this financial bs which is just betting on other people's failure, like a big casino in reverse...high finance is like a cult, nothing to do with the capitalism we used to know...
alleygh0st 4 months ago
And get the bigger picture. We have the technology and resources to provide everything in the way of basic needs to the entire population. We should focus on applying our science to our humanity and get rid of all of the flawed and no longer relevant methods of failure we hold tightly to. A global Resource-Based economy, also known as an actual economy, is the only way life, happiness and liberty are going to be sustainable anywhere.
LevNougol 4 months ago
@LevNougol = clearly, you've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek etc. Why don't you invent a food processor unit and a transporter so you can beam cheeseburgers to Ethiopia to feed the hungry. LMFAO!!
redlegagent 4 months ago
Mr. Green, you CAN NOT fix these problems in capitalism, in any monetary system, in any system where you profit, you CAPITALIZE, because you HAVE to take from someone else to get it, it is inherently and intrinsically flawed and corrupt, top to bottom, and cannot be any other way. Scrub it and think new thoughts and build new systems or history repeats and we end up here again and again like we have every time before. Forget socialism and marxism and capitalism and all those narrow-minded "isms"
LevNougol 4 months ago
that's 42 people that have no clue what's going on.
guitardds 4 months ago 2
Nail on the head Chris
guitardds 4 months ago
BOO HOO!! Others have more than me. Where's the "fairness", where's my "rose garden". Greedy corporate capitalists are to blame and their quest for "profits". I'm going to tweet my buddies on my blackberry and ask them to protest. Make sure they show up in their designer clothes. We'll all get fast food afterwards. Greedy capitalists - what did THEY ever do for me?? LMFAO!!
redlegagent 4 months ago
I also have a video im coming out with tomorrow with questions for all you protesters. If you can not answer all of them you have no reason to be apart of the protest. Subscribe to see the video then unsubscribe if you like as long as you see it and try to come up with answers to my questions.
lvmatt05 4 months ago
I really hope it doesnt turn to marxist revolution with occupy wall street but I dont see it happening any other way with these people. They (the protesters) are going to have to wake up and realize they are being used.
lvmatt05 4 months ago
I am going to say slow down, this just started. We need nothing more than to get more people in the street right now. We don't need money or leaders or objectives RIGHT NOW! If we choose those things or let them be known they will become targets for the powerful to use against us. Trust that the universe is going to take care of the guilty. The consciousness is growing. Let the guilty sweat it out, the people have had to for a long time. We have turned the tables, Trust in that. Smile 99%
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AnotherNutJob 4 months ago
Mr. Greene,
Please make a clear distinction between "capitalism" and FREE-MARKETS.
Do you think "free-trade", international "outsourcing" of labor, "complex financial instruments", corporate personhood, corporate welfare, etc., are just good, clean, healthy "capitalism"?
Just to clarify, I am VEHEMENTLY opposed to socialism. But the current FREAK-SHOW that masquerades as "capitalism" is any thing but a free-market.
1776Matthew 4 months ago
woe to them who make evil good and good evil....somewhere in the bible...
jshapple 4 months ago
What capitalism in the USA?
fredrockt47 4 months ago
most of the 1%'s, celebs, etc. that are out there supporting the movement such as Tom Morello are STRATEGICALLY DOWNPLAYING AND IGNORING THE ROLE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE and targeting their anger at private banks that actually have non-elite high net worth individuals as clients (it's a tool to hasten global poverty). the elites in the occupy movement encourage attacks on private banks, while not challenging the FED & considering it peas in relation to other "larger" issues by - that is SUSPECT
doctortobe3 4 months ago
Who will ge the lawyers and judges behind the movement?
MrVic1954 4 months ago
i like you a lot man, but this system is gone. The problem with the OWS is they wont man up & start tearing this system down with force. I want the constitution to be wiped clean of statutes & corporate legislation(wishful thinking). I know this is hard for everyone, but voting elected officials is far past any correction. This is a coming revolution. Its unavoidable. The system is full on hijacked. It doesnt matter what individuals want at this point, The corupt system must be stopped.
LendMeYourHand 4 months ago
@LendMeYourHand
Your lack of understanding is horrifying.
Do you know how powerful the elites is??? Be also aware of the fact the wall street IS doing a valuable service for the country. Wall Street has a very impprtant role in society.
If you really want to tear the sytem down, how come you dont move to another country? The united states will become a 3. world country if the system is torn down. Just move to a another country, say like Costa Rica
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Can you explain what valuable service Wall Street does for society? You must be dillusional! Wall street is stealing money from society you idiot... things won't be better in another country either... the system your referring to doesn't just affect your little america, it affects the entire World.... WAKE UP IDIOT
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@mooseNZ
Sure, wall street is a market, just as the marked who sells vegetable on the streets. The street market provide a value by selling people vegetables.
What Wall Street is doing is allocating money to businesses that are wanting to expand. Businesses might be like IKEA, that sell you furniture and who wants to build a store in you neigbourhood.
The criticism of wall street is that its NOT doing a good enough job of allocating money, and that it influences politics in an unfair way.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
I dont think a MARKET in itself is evil. The supermarket sell you food. Of course if the supermarket is not able to provide good food, you might say it doesnt function in way beneficial for society. Wall Street is also market. They sell stocks, ownership in companies, there. Companies might be like Ford the car manufacturer. I think most will agree that Ford is providing society a service by making good cars. Its nothing evil with owning a stock in that company.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@mooseNZ actually you are an idiot. what does what your opinion about whether or not wall street benefits society have ANYTHING to do with its right to operate? and also, theft is a crime. NAME A SPECIFIC thing STOLEN illegally and who specifically should go to jail for it. the RA RA "wall street" is evil mantra without explicitly stating specific crimes committed yet labeling individuals who work the financial sector thief b/c you don't understand how the industry works is BEYOND IGNORANT.
doctortobe3 4 months ago
Be aware that the prosperity is in large part due to capitalism.
Im inclined to believe that you and other revolutionaries are planted by big corporations so that the government can crack down hard on it. Remember, the government is all powerful and can use violence against its citizens.
Once you use deadly violence, the army and police WILL shoot and kill you.
People like you should be reported to the police. In fact i hope the gornment agencies are surveiling you.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@LendMeYourHand i agree. I also like you C Greene. But I think you are so wrong here. You can't fight these criminals with money - they will always have more than you cos of the FED. It must take violence! Walk into the White House and over-run the place... hang Obama and Hillary Clinton and the rest on the spot & film it and distribute to the rest of the world.... walk into the FED and burn Bernanke and the rest... Violence is the only way it can be done
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@mooseNZ
I support OWS, but i will gladly kill people like you on behalf of the system. If my choice is between statues quo and people like you, i chose status quo.
I want reform and fairnes, not a revolution.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
You will not get enough popular support for overthrow of government. The fact of the matter is, if you attack the white house you will not live to tell the tale.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@mooseNZ Thats exactly what i'm saying. I'm just trying to not be so obvious about it. The American people have become soft shoes. They are under the indoctrine that we can achieve this peacefully. But when we look at history we find that the elite just laugh at us. Its simple that violence is the only thing that will clean up this mess. I find it odd how hard society tries to present themselves as credible or that getting angry is out of hand, but we should be foaming at the mouth.
LendMeYourHand 4 months ago
Hey you need to re-read and re-understand what OWS is all about, don't get confused now!
The best part of OWS (occupy-wall-street) is that there are no-leaders only 99%!
@sjsrana
sjsrana 4 months ago
@sjsrana The DUMBEST thing about OWS is that there are no leaders, only 99%.
Without some set goals, a defined leadership structure, discipline, or clear organization, OWS will be dead by winter.
OwlWatchman 4 months ago
Well, I think Capitalism is the problem, because there is always someone at the top who profits while the rest slave away. I think the real solution IS too go into complete and total revolt of the monetary system. It's sounds so unattainable, yet it IS realistic, it may take a lot of hard work and a lot of time, but it IS possible to live in a society that is resource based and self sufficient. Everyone needs to get in the same train of thought and be willing to sacrifice everything. Imagine.
vhalcrow 4 months ago
@vhalcrow Well, you need to sacrifce everything. The easiest way for you of getting writh of money, is moving to alaska and live in isolation as a hunter gatherer. You will have no electricity, no car, no medicine, no produced food. You will be completely self reliant.
The problem is whether YOU are willing to make this sacrifice. I hope you are,
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Actually, I was raised in those conditions for the first 12 years of my life. :) So for me, it's like going home. Yes I'd miss the convenience of modern day technologies and communication, but I'd live. as would everyone else. I have an already very humble life as it is, so I'm kinda looking forward to the collapse. Everyone will be equal that way.
vhalcrow 4 months ago
@vhalcrow
Actually, if thats what you want, how come you dont move to a country that hasnt got the convieniences of modern life. My guess is you flied from those conditions. I hope you go back where you came from.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit wow you kind of an idiot aren't ya? So confrontational and negative. You need a good slap across that delusional mug of yours :)) you racist bigot dickhead conservative loser :)
vhalcrow 4 months ago
@vhalcrow if "capitalism" is so bad then why were things fine and dandy only 30 plus years ago?
suchafool990 4 months ago
More than likely it's the ESF funding this movement ..........
GereralGrant 4 months ago
you just got a new subscriber. you're great man.
DeadJesusRodeo69 4 months ago
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owlcu 4 months ago
dude, this IS capitalism. what you want to restore is the rule of law. But stuff like this will always happen under capitalism, because the system turns everything into a commodity, including laws and politicians. just look at all the things that capitalism has commodofied -- sex, children. there won't be enough laws to keep the profit motive at bay. all the laws mean nothing, cause capital, money, is the driving force of this system. LOL even your movement needs capital. see the irony in that?
piax00 4 months ago
@piax00 Do you see the ironi in that before capitalism there were mass starvation in every country? lol.
Are you you willing to starve in order to obtain you goal. Are you tough enough for that?
The fact is, untill capitalism was introduced in England in the 1700s, people around the world died regualry of famines.
7 billion people in the world today. If capitalism is removed, billions of people will starv to death. Are you ready for that.? Are you tough enough?
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit I don't think the proper word for that is 'irony'. Capitalism made the mass production of food possible but the REAL irony is that inspite of the mass production of food, people, especially in the US have high rates of malnutrition and disease. Malnutrition from all the processed junk in the food and chemicals that pollute the body giving rise to all kinds of new diseases. Talk about starving. Plus, the US govt has been paying farmers NOT to produce to keep the prices high.
piax00 4 months ago
@dunnudoit If you remove capitalism, and therefore capital. everyone would have something to eat, because no one company would own the lands and the crops planted on them. People would not need capital or money to get to the food they need. On the contrary, people are starving now because they don;t have money to buy food, not because there isn;t enough food. The scarcity is in the money supply, not in the food, which is abundant and rotting on store shelves and thrown away in restaurant bins
piax00 4 months ago
@piax00 exactly piax this is the fundemantal flaw i see i dont like all this political bulshit and economics when in recessions the factories that make the essentials are still up and running and all the food is still being produced but it'll go to waste! i dont understand why people cant see that there is nothing wrong with the production its the fact that the people working there have no reason to go in if they're not getting paid, we have enough food to feed everyone on the planet yet it dsnt
TheLordInglip 4 months ago
America does not stand for; only one thing. If anything it should stand for the free exchange of a variety of ideas. Socialism for the poor would make more sense than the socialism for the rich that is in place right now. The poor should be given a chance tp catch up with a decent way of life. America has always been a mixed economy, and ironically, the more' capitlalistic/free market' it tries to be, by deregulation. the more it has to bailout and give welfare to the corporations. haha
piax00 4 months ago
Hello -- there actually are American Marxists and socialists., There have been since the late 19th century. Americsn philosopher Henry George believes that should belong equally to humanity. The Veterans Administration is structurally socialist and is the most efficient healthcare system in the country,.Western countries ahead of the US in educaiton and quality of life are mixed ecoomies with socialist and capitalist features. Totalitarian state of China is capitalist.
piax00 4 months ago
"This is very scary" - LMFAO!! For having such "hindsight" on this movement, you now realize what's going on. Damn right these Leftist, socialist groups have "co-opted" you - you are their USEFUL IDIOTS!! The banks got away with what the GOVERNMENT allowed - and now you want the government to fix it?? You "anger" is misdirected. lol!!
redlegagent 4 months ago
@redlegagent Lol, the goverment is instinguisable from the big corporations. If you dont see the problem, shame on you.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
Send a friend the constitution on paper. Arm them with knowledge instead. Would that not be better then screaming to the wind?
emeraldcrescent 4 months ago
Don't Be Stupid Be a Smarty Come and Join the #OWS Nazi Party! Forget the rent and tuition YOU BLEW, Go to Wall Street; blame a Zionist Jew!
The General Assembly? Hmm, this is the Meeting where the TOP heads ( You know, not a REAL DEmocracy), give marching orders and talkin gpoints to the great unwashed! CHRIS, READ THE COMING UNSURRECTUION! I have mentioned this quite a few times and this is a small book written by The Invisible Committee, It is the BLUEPRINT they follow
savgal1211 4 months ago
@savgal1211 Opps, INSURRECTION ( hah)!!
savgal1211 4 months ago
What do we do when we've won? Chris, what part of this should be saved? You seem confused about ISM's. WTF do we care about that? The system you have railed against for 18 months is finally showing fractures. Because it is "deeply flawed". Remember? Don't cur out now!
Now you want to back up and say, wait a minute, we want to fix it, not destroy it. Like somehow it was pure as driven snow shot directly out of the asses of our forefathers? From the beginning it was FLAWED!!
(more coming)
pjamesbda 4 months ago
Don't Be Stupid Be a Smarty Come and Join the #OWS Nazi Party! Forget the rent and tuition YOU BLEW, Go to Wall Street; blame a Zionist Jew!
savgal1211 4 months ago
"The last official act of a government is to loot the country."
--George Washington
PatriotReport 4 months ago
I totally agree, something smells fishy, as in, the movement has been led and or taken over!
Montagraph 4 months ago
I'm not anti-money, I'm anti-corruption and anti-slavery.
drutter 4 months ago 14
LOL you will all be supporting OWS within the next few months, you will have 600 trillion reasons to destroy the whole dam system. The big banks have already collapsed, they are just hiding their nest eggs away before the official announcement of the shit hitting the fan....good luck
Redpilldown 4 months ago 7
The OWS is likely to be the same as the cross section of general society. A cross section of sheep is sheep. Don't forget society has been dumbed down and "entitled" in mentality... not capitalism.
I guess a NPO needs to be formed which gets funding from a multitude of mid sized businesses. Then, possibly a couple of corporate and constitutional attorneys can get to work. The incentive for the donors would be a rectifying of the business environment and tax write off. We don't have much time.
UnitedCorpOfAmerica 4 months ago
@UnitedCorpOfAmerica lol too right. Suddenly the same people who voted Bush in twice are going to amass and save us all! Forgive me if I'm skeptical! lol
humanoidcontent 4 months ago
May Ross Perot can join the movement.... I did hear the giant sucking sound,
btigtime2 4 months ago
I think people are angery at the Corporate government.... the corporate government media is going to call it anything else
btigtime2 4 months ago
You couldn't be more clueless... no one wants to end Capitalism... we want to end Predatory Capitalism. We need to stop putting profits before people, we want a fair shake for all. We want to end to the stream of wealth that is constantly going to a small % of so called job creators. We don't want our politicians bought by corporation who turn around and do their bidding. They represent the people, not the donors that pay the most. Not once have I heard anything about Marxist Socialist policies.
redasscd 4 months ago
@redasscd Profit is part of the capitalist system. It makes everything more efficient. Its the political power of corporations that is the main problem, not profit. For a company to be profitable, it must be efficient.
So... a shop that sell the most goods pr square feet, is the most efficient in the sence that you need less building material and so on to sell the goods. And this business is usually the most profitable.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
our only hope is a break-away group of military patriots to plan an inside coup. To storm the white house and the pentagon. Other than that, forget it, we're fucked.
TadRapidly 4 months ago
@TadRapidly
What a dumb redneck you are. Government is providing a lot of services to the people. Societies without government are wartorn and looks to a large degree like New Orleans during Katrina. Dont forget that whne you demonize government.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
Beam me up, Scotty. This planet is FUBAR!
SonofCastille 4 months ago
The Democrats infiltrated this movement.
roz1258 4 months ago
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DrShitandStank 4 months ago
@DrShitandStank Let me make myself perfectly clear here, and you can cry to youtube if you want. After my entire family(Male members) have stood up for liberty and against tyranny for over 200 years, Which cost us several lives, within our family. I will die, before I stand by and watch Socialists/Marxists takeover America. You are so foolish to believe that Socialism/Marxism is an answer to anything. Ask any Russian . They'll tell you. I pray that you will wake up, and see the light.
TheExMarineCop 4 months ago
@TheExMarineCop do you want to hear the truth Mr. War Vet... the Capitalists hates you. me.. and everyone . They don't care about us. All they care about is more money in their pockets. We are nothing to them. If it have not been for socialism.. our grandparents would never have Social Security but that is going to be on the chopping block soon and i know you and others on here are very happy about it. I hope you find some way to pay for all this privatization crap
DrShitandStank 4 months ago
@DrShitandStank Well my plan is to loot all the bodies of the dead Socialist Pigs after their little uprising is unmercifully squashed into 6 ft of red clay. I'd say the land, money, and personal property of all you Socialists will pay for several more years of Capitalism. As far as the Govt not caring about me, no shit?? Here's one for you......I do not care about them, Nor do I need or want them to intrude on my life.I do not expect my Govt to babysit me. I'm a man.I can take care of myself.
TheExMarineCop 4 months ago
@TheExMarineCop Bullshit. Are you growing your own food, Are you making your own computers.
The fact of the matter is that you are commenting here shows that you are NOT relying on yourself. Did you build the computer you are typing on, or the food you are eating or the roads you are driving on.
Quit your bullshit macho talk and realis realty. If you want to rely completely on yourself buil a hut in Alaska andcath all your own food, make all your own medicine etc.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
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TheExMarineCop 4 months ago
@dunnudoit You comment isn't even worth a reply. Please leave America, and have your Socialism in Europe.Good bye, sir.
TheExMarineCop 4 months ago
@DrShitandStank
Before capitalism was introduced in the 1700s, there was occasions of MASS starvation in EVERY country in the world. Its because of capitalism we are so wealthy and thats why there are no starvation in the rich world and population explosion in the poor world. dont forget that. The main reason for the wall street protests should be that the system is NOT capitalist enough. Corporations that are gaming the system and stops capitalism from working should be punished.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit who said we are wealthy? Hehehehehehehhe.. Wall St Bankers.. Corporations..and other greedy fools, who hate us, are wealthy. We are just peasants. Besides.. American people have a reputation in loving rich people...sad but true. UNited States don't have a future
DrShitandStank 4 months ago
Capitalism without the Corruption is the solution. For that to happen we need regime change--99% of the people in power are bought criminals and globalists, complete traitors. Beware of all the disinformation spread about Capitalism, it has and still works beautifully w/o the corrutption. We need Justice and w/o we are finished as a country very soon.
PatriotReport 4 months ago
Great video Chris! You understand the big picture clearly and have related it well.
PatriotReport 4 months ago
wow I guess I thought everyone who'd thought it all the way through was an anarchist...
Restoring the constitution is an interesting thought but I'm not going to live with the possibility that this exact corporatist situation is going to happen again if we keep the old corruptible systems. Besides, how are you going to find non-psychopaths to run them?
PS 'koo day tah'
emdtb2001 4 months ago
Try the Lawful bank method to destroy the bankers, it is based on a UK initiative to Destroy the Corrupt banking system, the Corrupt Courts and eventually replace the government. Can't add the website as youtube won't allow it.
magusn27 4 months ago
Chris, settle down bro. It ain't all bad. The system you advocate I agree with... it is suicide but I agree with it in that it is a snake eating its tail. Sure, ravamp capitalism. Go for it. It won't stop planned obsolecence and technological unemployment... but maybe it will speed up the process. Any system using money and markets as an intermediary... is doomed. Technology has outpaced its usefulness. Don't be afraid of anarcho-communism. It's the future whether you like it or not. Sorry bro.
elbowbiter1 4 months ago
Ron Paul runs with a Military Backed Vice President? Then go in and name them, and arrest them for trial. Make them pay back funds, and penalties? Pay down the debt. Cut spending drastically. Vote for people that you know are not going to bow down. I'm so tired of negative thinking.
fructmals 4 months ago
I share your concerns about any money-grabs without restoring the stolen funds and jailing the criminals. My talks with Occupy protesters & supporters online is mixed results: many proclaim non-violence but many are sheeples not willing to arrest or comprehending the crime itself. 53 trillion in FDIC bailouts for Bank of America are PENDING, new, not old news at all. More FedReserve controlled theft (23A regulatory exemption)
ytgv3fc7 4 months ago
Probably important to note that no one alive today knows what capitalism and free trade looks like. We haven't had it for close to 100 years.
xzen667 4 months ago
Are you still begging for money?
JRCrowley 4 months ago
the movement is not killing america, the elites already killed our economy..it is dead. this is anti new world order and is not going to end well for anyone. people are trying to fight the beast system. the beast will not just let this happen. many more tired/poor huddled masses will be starving in the streets as the broken economy trickles down encompass nearly all. there will be fighting and bloodshed. the elites greed has prompted the beginning of the end. the world will never be the same.
StillLoveCobain 4 months ago
Capitalism is organized crime. America has been hijacked by the criminal bankers and corporations. We have lost our country, so socialism looks like a better deal because we all have no good health care. Unless we destroy the insurance corporations, the weapons corporations, bring the military home and turn them against these criminals we will just barley survive and many won't.
So unless we the people throw out all the criminal government we may as well be like Canada and get all the benefits.
stophypocrisy 4 months ago
@stophypocrisy owning things without theft, producing and selling without fraud, is a 100% non-criminal capitalism. Farming, machining, investing & storing your finished goods or materials. Socialism can exist over top of this rock-solid capitalism if there is no fraud, no centralization, no singular leader/dictators. Wake up. In Canada we have BOTH and both work.
ytgv3fc7 4 months ago
You can't fix captilism. It's dead. don't you get it. You've been sold a bridge to nowhere. Sending people to jail isn't going solve the problem that where created by our phony corrupt brand of captilism. Ending the fed is not enough. Fools die hard. The stupid die harder. Good luck son, you need it.
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searching68 4 months ago
@searching68 you can fix capitalism: it does not need fraud to work. You have paper money which is anti-capitalism. GOLD is money, paper is DEBT. Wake up that's NOT HOW IT WORKS. Ending the fed is 80% of the problem. ENDING SHEEPLE STUPIDITY IS THE REST.
ytgv3fc7 4 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Fed just f*&%ed us again. The Fed just approved BoA to move deriviatives from Lynch to BoA Reuters: bofa-puts-taxpayers-on-the-hook-for-merrills-derivatives/?rpc=43
abwolf1 4 months ago
@abwolf1 dailybail.c om/home/holy-bailout-federal-reserve-now-backstopping-75-trillion-of.h tml
now it's JP Morgan AND Bank of America and now the total is over 154 trillion
ytgv3fc7 3 months ago
this is a slightly odd observation but you barely ever blink! Anyone else noticed that?
feverpitch82 4 months ago
The philosopher Diogenes was eating bread and lentils for supper. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus, who lived comfortably by flattering the king. Said Aristippus, 'If you would learn to be subservient to the king, you would not have to live on lentils.'
Said Diogenes, 'Learn to live on lentils,
savgal1211 4 months ago
Show me the MODEL of the Country these OWS desire, show me a thing better than tHe Constitution, show me any other economic model that works other than what we have! THEY CAN'T!! WE have sucky stuff, and system is not perfect BUT it is the BEST on planet earth. Show us, OWS, the country you wish to emmulate !!! Ask them, they can't!!
savgal1211 4 months ago
@savgal1211
>> show me any other economic model
>> The U.S. and Europe are currently under a fascist corporatocracy. They make the rules, they own the world resources and control the money used to obtain the resources. They also allow heavy force. Democracy and capitalism are gone.
>> show me a thing better than tHe Constitution
The U.S. Constitution is dead. Anybody can be jailed under suspicion of 'terrorism'. Also Europe has new 'European laws' that override national constitutions and laws.
gininginin 4 months ago
@savgal1211 ..it was the best on the earth until the leaders decided to leave our constitutional rights hanging by a thread, and their greed broke our economic model (so, hence, it doesnt work). we don't want to emmulate any country...we realize that the beastly, greedy system won't back down, will disparage us, and try to jail or kill us. most of us know we are going to die fighting for this cause so that our children and theirs can have a future where there is an american dream again.
StillLoveCobain 4 months ago
Also this is a low lying fruit that OWS is going after. It's a goal that can be reached and a step that all parties can agree on. Wolf-Pac(DOT)com
xzen667 4 months ago
Well then get down there and add your POV to the movement.
xzen667 4 months ago
I wouldn't worry about it. The majority of people in this country when push comes to shove will want government out of there business.Most liberal democrats will support the foundations on which this country was built. But, freedom will always ring here. When people wake up to the fact that the constitution is in jeopardy, they will defend it. I think revolution is good in this day, in whatever form, because at least people are forced to think. You can't hide or downplay the discontent.
fructmals 4 months ago
I applaud you for this video. This is truth! The problem is that you have thousands of people waking up right now who haven't been listening to you, or wide awake news, or anyone else on YT, and are very easily persuaded with any BS that comes into their minds. There was no other possibility but for this protest to turn into another problem for the world to deal with. Don't be fooled - the 99% are not all on the same team. Some are awake, most are still asleep.
humanoidcontent 4 months ago
I will tell you how,, begin by exposing the Obama Admin. Everything about his admin. is socailist!
julie7156 4 months ago
@julie7156 Yes! The book called THE COMING INSURRECTION, penned by THE INVISIBLE COMMITTEE is ther Play book, and , though people won't always like the man, Glenn Beck broke this plan in 2007! Before anyone, Order the book on Amazon! The Communist Party USA is on video from Chicago supporting htis, their cover is blown, but many SHEEP are ebing Co opted by OWS out of fear, and this is NOT GRASS ROOTS!!Soros and ADBUSTERS pays for it! They get 300 boxes daily og goods, The Unions STORE it
savgal1211 4 months ago
You do know...you have great stage present, when you talk to the cam its like your talking to me and every one else. It doesnt seemed staged like president Obama when he talks.
jesussaveswithcoupon 4 months ago
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@jesussaveswithcoupon I saw this coming from a mile away. We all need to pull together to stop the destruction of our country. Check out the song I wrote about it and tell me what you think "Who got the money" by Parker. We can win together!!
Ruzzellpuzzel 4 months ago
Excellent summary of the main objectives most of us can agree on. If we can just focus on those items!!!!
publicme 4 months ago
This game's in the refrigerator. Until the American people get the balls to remove Ben "Shalom" Bernanke from DA FED, and stop him doing sweet deals like 0% loans to his buddies on Wall Street (like Lloyd "Doing God's Work" Blankfein) and other sucking the life out of the American Middle Class like a Giant Vampire Squid, this system will bring America to total & utter ruin and destitution. Someone has to run the wooden stake through banks like the Giant Vampire Squid. They will never change now!
oitzingerpeter 4 months ago
I want capitalism because capitalism is the reason for the wealth of modern nations. Withour capitalism, there will be mass starvation.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Capitalism is going to cause mass starvation, you think these Multi National Agra Corps are going to feed the unemployed? I don't think so. Yeah they have food stamps now cause the Goverment pays the Multi nationals but when austerity kicks in you will see starvation.
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56
No capitalism are the reason for there not being mass starvation. Before capitalism was introduced in England in the late 1700s, mass starvation happend in EVERY country.
People starved to death everywhere when the crop didnt produce enough food. One reason was that the system wasnt as effiecient as today. Leanr your history. Every country without capitalism has had mass starvation, including china in the 1960ies.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Wrong again, Capitalism has nothing to do with preventing starvation. What has prevented starvation and caused exponetial growth of populations is cheap easy to get fossil fuels, oil. tHAT IS OVER AND TO PROVE MY POINT NOBODY STARVED IN rUSSIA. from 50's on. There was enough food and it was a Communist country.
The availabilty of cheap food is totaly due to CHEAP ENERGY-EDUCATE YOURSELF CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKIONG ABOUT.
valhala56 4 months ago
I am also concerned about the crazies who want communism etc.
Either their motives are to destroy america or they dont understand the system they are a part of.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
The Occupy Wall Street Movement is the liberal version of the Tea Party Movement. The two are diametrically opposed to each other. One is full of rednecks, while the other is full of hippies. They will never join forces. If anything, they will more than likely fight each other. The Occupy Wall Street people are mostly Marxists, and the Tea Party people are either religious zealots, or are for corporatism. Just hopeless.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
@Kitcatsatmat Totaly agree, I'm with OWS. I'm sick and tired of Conservatives and their policies that backstop the Rich. I don't think I am alone here. In fact they have taken Capitalism to the level of Criminality. What do you expect the people to do, keep getting Ass Raped by the Same rich Conservatives? Hell no, time for the Conservative that feel some of that hot sausage up their butt tight assholes.
You can't stop what's coming.
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 You are delusional if you believe "conservatives" are the main problem. Both parties are influenced by money from wall street. You are NOT with OWS, because OWS are against the Democrats as well.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit I agree both parties are corrupt, in fact I have no use for Politicians period. They are an anchorism. Do you know what that means? A useless thing of the past. What is needed is a new system the Resorce Based Economy-No Politicians period!
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 A headless troll? And who are going to take grievances from the public? Politicians are law makers. The laws that says no one are allowed to shoot you or steal from you are made by politicians.
Who are goona make the laws?
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit There will be no laws silly person. In a resource based economy there is no money, there is no want, all your needs is supplied. There is no reason to steal because the resources of the world belong to all the people not just a few billionaires.
Whatever grievances will have to be worked out by like a new england town hall sort of situation.
If you look into the RBE you will see it can work for all people of the planet.
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 . Economy is the science of distrubuting scarce resources. Oil is scarce, land is scarce etc. And you need a system to regulate these things.
I want 10 ferraries, and one jumbojet, but because those products are scarce, they are too expensive for me. So i travel in planes together with 100s of others
You dont need laws??? Go live in a hunter- gatherer society. The murder rates in LAWLESS societies are shockingly high.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@valhala56 The problem with the United States is that people are highly polarized, they can't take the good aspects of both socialism and capitalism and merge them together. They don't compromise here, so you have no change that can benefit society as a whole. People bicker and fight for bullshit ideals. Extreme socialism is as bad as extreme capitalism, like what we had during the Gilded Age from the 1880s to the 1930s. Doing what is good for the nation is more important than lofty ideals.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
@Kitcatsatmat You know what I agree with you 100%. In fact I think Socialism is only slightly better then Capitalism - Kind of like a free Prostitute instead of a high priced call girl, Sure the mass's can afford her but she is still a slut.
I call for a new system the Resource Based Economy. No Utopia but probaly the only hope to save Civilization from itself. the Clock on the bulletin of Atomic Scientists is at 2 minutes to midnight.
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 Socialism is very idealistic, and it doesn't work all the time because of human nature. Human nature is selfish, and greedy this is why capitalism works. It would be great if the wealth of this nation is shared more equally. Some people have too much, and most people have too little. If everyone in a socialist economy worked hard for the society then socialism does work. In reality this isn't the case.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
@valhala56 The end result of Laissez Faire capitalism are monopolies and trusts. This is why, capitalism has to be regulated. When corporations and companies get too big, they have to be broken up. When corporations merge, they have to be broken up. This is why they came out with the Sherman Anti Trust Act in the 1880s. The trickle down theories doesn't always work, like people like Greene would expect you to believe. Some things are better in government hands, and others in private hands.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
@Kitcatsatmat Again friend I totaly agree with you. Only problem is you are not takeing into account the exponetial growth of world population which is to hit 7 billion this month. We live on a finite planet. Growth is no longer possible. That is why everything is breaking down, it is only showing up first in the financial systems, soon to take down more Goverments-Greece-Egypt most of North Africa.
We have to look at survival & not just an optimal situation but shear survival of our civilizati
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 Yes, but are you prepared to kill the billions of people who overpopulate the planet.
The populations exploded once capitalisme was introduced in the 1800s.
If you end capitalism, you need to be aware that some people have to starv.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Dude I think I am wasting my time with you. Capitalism yes had somethng to do with cheap abudant food but the biggest reason we have cheap abbundant food is OIL. Think it about for a second. Take away OIl, no fertilizers, no disel powred tractors, no refrigation, no processing plants no semi trucks that bring food all over the country. This is all due to cheap abunadunt energy and that is OVER. nOW we have expensive hard to get energy ala Alberta Tar Sands-Fracking deep water ect.
valhala56 4 months ago
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@dunnudoit What will cause people to starve is Peak Oil and we are there now. You might want to read on it so you won't be so ignorant.
valhala56 4 months ago
@Kitcatsatmat I disagree. Occupy wall street is a very diverse group of people.
Those who want a fair system with a level playing field are still around.
But yeah, you have to watch of for the fuckers who wants marxism or a revolution. Those guys are not for fairness and prosperity, they have their own hidden a agenda.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit The Occupy Wall Street crowd are mostly college students, and the colleges are known for their extreme left views. I am not saying everyone there is a liberal, there might be some constitutionalists, but the majority are hippies. The majority of people in the Tea Party movement are rednecks, and that is a fact.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
@Kitcatsatmat As long as they want a fair capitalistic system i support them.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit In a purely capitalistic system, the word fair cannot exist in the same sentence. In a purely capitalistic system, the big guys will buy out the little guys, or put them out of business. This is why government steps in with regulations to protect the little guy. Like what Walmart is doing. They put all the small stores out of business with using shareholders money.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
@Kitcatsatmat I was gonna subscribe to you but you got no channel, why is that?
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 It's a private channel.
Kitcatsatmat 4 months ago
Chris Capitalism is already dead. OWS is just going to finish it off with the coup de grâce. You are clinging to a dying system. You can't stop what's coming anymore then you can stop a bullet in mid flight or change it's course. Capitalism has failed the people, oh it has been great for the 1% but for US it has been a miserable failure.
I know it's hard breaking up with something you love, but your lover has cheated on you. Do you really want to take her back so she can stab you in the back?
valhala56 4 months ago
As a dutch citizen who is very happy to live in a more socialist country, where we still have good education, healthcare and minimum wage i am appalled to see how the USA is becoming a third world country. I see now how the investmentbanks continue to rob the rest of the world. I support the revolution occupy wall street. I care about the planet, the future of our children. We should strive for more equality.
charmek1 4 months ago
Russia went from Communism to extreme Capitalism. The extreme irony of it all would be if America went from Capitalism to Communism. Why not? Germany under total economic collapse went from Monarchy to National Socialism (a combination of Nationalism and Socialism, sounds innocuous enough). These things take on a life of their own in collapsing economies and countries. Welcome to Realpolitik and Realhistory (Geschichte). You may not get what you want or think will happen. Other countries didn't
oitzingerpeter 4 months ago
@oitzingerpeter
The reason is that nothing is better than distrubiting scarce resources than capitalism.
Its the incentive for making profit that makes capitalism work. If a bus company wants to make money, it has to buy the cheapest busses possible, buy cheapest gasoline possible, lowest wages possible etc. This makes it a efficient way of transporting passengers.
Your wish for profit, means that you will chose the cheapest and most effective way of transport.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@oitzingerpeter
The opinion of the guy in the video is that what we have now isnt pure capitalism. The bus company might through political connections andd lobbyism get a contract and favourable conditions that give the company LESS competition. The idea is to make it a system were EVRYBODY with good ideas can succid.
If i invent a car battery that makes cars cheaper to drive, the connections of oil companies shouldnt stop me from bringing it to the market.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@oitzingerpeter Profit motives of the farmer, makes the bread you eat cheaper. If the incentives are right, he will grow corn in the most effective way possible. Your decision to buy the cheapest corn for your bread, means that the guy who are the most effective producer of corn wins over ineffective producers. This is the market system. You will buy the cheapest air plane tickets. The company who are most effective tranporting passengers on planes, are the cheapest.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Really? that does not apply anymore cause the Farmers now are Muti National Congolmerates like Monsanto. The small Farmer has been wiped out by the Agra Corporations, FORCED TO BUY NON HEIRLOOM SEEDS AND PROSECUTED BY THESE AGRA CORPS IF A SEED EVEN IF BLOWN BY THE WIND INTO THEIR FARM THEY ARE TAKEN OUT OF BUSINESS BY THE AGRA CORPS.
So why don't you stop with the Bull shit lies, people aren't buying them anymore.
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56 OWS are protesting against these corporations who are NOT competing fairly.
If the system was fair, small farmers who are producing food in an effective way, will be able to succeed.
But the point remain the same. PROFIT motives are necessary for an efficient system, You have profit motives as well. You choose to buy the cheapest food because it save you money. By buying the cheapest food, you makes sure that the most efficient producers win in the market.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Here is the problem with your dogmatic belieifs. Capitalism had it's day, just like Feudalism had it's day, just like all the other previous systems but it IS NO LONGER WORKING. There are reasons that I can't get into such as Peak Oil & Overpopulation & resource depletion. Fundamentaly that is the cause of this whole mess, we have got ourselver into unsustainable growth & hit a resource wall in Capital, Water, Oil & soon to be food.
We have no choice but to adapt or die.
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56
There are 7 billion people in the world today. Without capitalism, there are no way it would be possible to support that many people. The population in the world exploded once the capitalistic sytem was introduced.
Its a whole another issue if its sustainable to have 7 billion people in the world, but be aware that massive death is the alternative. Yes global warming and peak oilare dark clouds in the sky, but is pretty grimm to want billions to die.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Look at my comment 3 comments down, I said 7 billion people this month-Capitalism has caused FUKISHIMA.BP BLOWOUT IN THE GULF OF MEXICO, TEXAS DROUGHT. Peak Oil, Water shortages. Capitalism only rapes the planet that is how it works but extracting resources with no thought to the consequences. Capitalism is literaly choking the life out of the planet. This shit has got to go-Jaque Fresco!
valhala56 4 months ago
@valhala56
Yes it has to go if you are prepared for massive genocide, Adolf Hitler.
The oil produced in the Mexico gulf is used to transport people on planes.
But its also used in fertilizers for food productions. It was the introduction of fertilizers that hindered mass starvation in the world n the late 1960ies.
The mexico gulf oil is used in plastic, in fertilzers , in cars that transports food etc. End all that and be pepared for starvation all over the world.
dunnudoit 4 months ago
@dunnudoit Uh yeah and you added in things that I forgot like Plastics, medicines the damn case your computer is made out of , half your friggin car is made out of OIL.THE TIRES lol. If you think about you will realize that Capitalism is only half the equation it was Oil that brought us abundance . You ever heard of the FRIGGIN PETRO DOLLAR?The real reason why we went to war with Iraq and libyia cause Saddam stopped tradiing his Oil for dollars? Think about it.
valhala56 4 months ago
@dunnudoit You live in a Socialist country, Norway. You want to come to live in US for the rest of your life? Be a slave? Yes or no?
valhala56 4 months ago
These people are dipshits. I'm not so concerned that they will, through their
drum circles and group hugs achieve crony Communism, but rather that
they are unwitting pawns in a maneuver by rogue government to provocateur
this thing to be able to bring in martial law, then a need to coordinate with
other world cities involved and an obvious path to the globalist world govt.
I'll bet they've got sleepers in the crowd to eventually incite riots + some of
these participating orgs are shills.
coolintensity1 4 months ago
I agree, the "occupy" movements are full of lame Marxist ideas. Marxism is getting a bit of a revival, and its hard not to draw connections with the Zeitgeist Movement.
TZM is not desirable, I'll make my stance clear. I've read The Communist Manifesto, and it makes fundamental mistakes. I think we're seeing these ideas at OWS because TZM is large and has some momentum. Many good people who have desired change the last couple of years have gone there first. They need educating and redirecting.
orenofhowick 4 months ago