Bismark not fake. Bismark is real battleship. bismark fire at hood then hit ammo storage and samething on pearl harbor. jap plane bomb at arizona then hit on storage then huge exploded.
My dad served on Hood until his transfer to HMS Kylemore, just a month before Hood's sinking. He lost many good friends. Six months later, Kylemore met her fate too, at the hands of German Dorniers, & my dad was one of only 8 survivors. He was awarded the DSM for courageous conduct during & after the sinking. The medal was pinned on his chest by Lord Mountbatten.
The Bismarck was a brilliant piece of technology. Unfortunately she was an example of human ingenuity devoted to the worst purposes. When she was sunk, after being pounded by battleships, planes, torpedoes, etc., her belt armor was intact. Had her steering not been fouled by a lucky shot from the Hood, she probably would have given the Royal Navy many more weeks of it. Who knows, she may have even made it back to Brest.
normally as people have pointed out at least in english and german, ships are referred to as she. but the Bismarck was referred to as a HE by the captain who also informed the crew that since the Bismarck was (paraquoting) a big fearsom warrior the Bismarck is a HE.
Nice module. My grandfather said she was one hell of a sight when she was firing at him. To talk to him you would have thought he was the only person involved in her sinking. He lost two friends on the Hood. So he had some very personal feelings about Bismarck.
YOU DID DISBELIEVE, i tried tell you months ago it existed and explained how it worked, I NEVER SAID IT WAS A BALASTIC MISSILE, i already told you it was launched from a plane, which used a rocket motor and radio waves to guide it to its target, a bomb uses only gravity BUT IT WAS ROCKET PROPELLED! so it is a missile!! in fact the first air to ground. Now will you go try and find someone else wrong about something!
la contribucion alemana a la tecnologia mundial es obvia,basta con recordar que los rusos y los yankees estaban en una carrera(al momento de entrar a berlin ) por encontrar a las grandes mentes nazis y que pocos años despues von braun(cientifico nazi que desarrollo el primer misil balistico conocido como v2,base de los propulsores que llevaron al hombre a la luna) fue el primer director de la NASA.
The Redstone rocket was a V2 varient. Although Von Braun is credited with the V2, I feel certain that it was actually concieved by Klaus Riedel, head of the Peenamunde research facility. (I stand to be corrected on that, it just rings a bell from history lessons.)
@SuperAncientmariner you may be right, sometimes i don't know what's wrong with people (ie keirfree), i know the germans may have been the enemy and did some terrible things but you still have to give credit where credit is due. To completely put your head in the sand and refuse to believe anything the germans designed in the war was high tech or better than anything the allies had is just pure craziness, all sides had some great minds but this guy refuses to see that.
@pramboy09 Also, thinking on. the V1, (doodlebug) was used bu the US navy post war for early sub launched missiles and it was named the "Loon" Come to think of it,the hull design of the USS Nautilus was basically a type XX1 U-boat.
@keirfrere you dick, you think because there were swept back tailplanes before it is the same thing?????????????? There were swept back wings in WW 1 but for a complelty different reasons (ballance and stability of the aircraft) you accuse ME of no understanding of engineering???? I have already told you of at least one design that was far ahead of what we had i can name more if you bother to look. I have a book by Marek Rys of german air projects 35-45 just have a look it isn't one sided.
@keirfree i can also quote you german jet designs that were years ahead of what all of us allies were designing. The soviets, americans and english all scrambled to grabbed designs and designers relaising just how far more advanced the krauts were in aerodynamics to us. You only have to see the first post war jet aircraft by all nations to see where the ideas came from. you can see that the with the german swept back wing designs, delta wing config's and pusher designs helped this.
@pramboy09 Your Talking absolute Bollocks, First jet engine patented 1930s F Whittle, advanced epliptical mainplanes Spitfire, ultimate long range Fighter Mustang. Bomber the Lancaster Germany had nothing that could even get near a Mosquito so fast it did not need guns the Typhoon that shot down ME 262 s
First real jet warplane Meteor followed by Canberra, then civilian Comet
No way did Germany have leading edge technology, you been playing too much X box
@keirfree you really are an absolute twat!! x-box?? i don't have one and will never have one!! You obviously don't bother reading books. You are like many i have seen that only want to wave the flag of the country you are from and completely ignore other countries designs, there are plenty americans like you to. Like it or not it is fact, that early on the british designed the best jet engines and the germans came up with the best airframes to put them in.
Best airframe Mosquito madet of Balsa wood could be made in any furniture factory, so fast it did not need to be armed, it could also act as a Bomber with near same payload as B17.
Lancaster, Nothing could lift a bomb load like a Lanc, Seaboat > Sunderland,
Fighter Spitfire + Typhoon Mustang tho built in USA
Gloucester Meteor, Jet, want to get Educated read "last talons of the eagle " written by great nephew of W Messerschimdt, will explode your ill founded belief
@pramboy09 You overlook the Best petrol engine the Merlin,think you need to read much more !
German warships WW1 design, German tank Tiger, took 2 years to design too long to build cost x3 the modern Leo2
AND it was useless in extreme cold and ice, it froze, and in russia it could not move until the sun came up,,,,,, or the crews kept its engine running over night
and you tell me to read,
117 Nazi test pilots died, trying to fly the Me Jet, before that due to type of fuel skinned pilots
@keirfree i could tell you more about british aircaft than you obnixous twat,i was never talking about british piston driven aircraft.(which i love the spitfire, hurricane, typhoon, whirlwind, tempest, beaufighter, mosquito etc.)I was merely commenting the germans had a big headstart in jet aerodynamics, just check out how much of their research and designs were copied and used in such aircraft as the mig -9 and 15, sabre and J-29 tunnan as well delt wing and swept back designs from avro.
@keirfree why are you quoting spifire, mustang and lancaster?? All great aircaft in thier own right but what the fuck is that do to with first generation jet aircraft?? The mk 1 metoer was a good gun platform and was perfect for taking out v-1's and ground attack but was around 100mph slower than the 262 in 1944 which was far more capable. Why don't you check out the Focke wulf Ta 183 V1 and tell me how many REAL post war jet's it looks like before commenting dribble like you have.
@pramboy09 My mentioning of other non jet was to indicate the handle the Brits had on airframe and mainplane design. even in the days of conventional engines the problems of leading edge pressure was well known, and using solutions such as sweeping back the mainplane edges was not feasable due to lack of thrust on a I/C engine.When Jets arrived sweeping back could be achieved
Btw by the time Meteor s were on the scene V 1 s obsolute and V 1 s could be toppled by a spit s mainplane
@keirfree as did the americans, germans and japanese. But like i said before the reason why swept back winged aircraft arrived just after the war was the use of german tech. The tempest was also used against v-1's to good effect.
@pramboy09 what German hi Tech ?? there was None, it was only the Yanks that was impressed by the Binary fuelled rocket, and they continued the Myth of Nazi engineering so there was No need to explain their lack of Engineering.
Look carefully at Nazi design, no undercarriage, No Mechanical means of moving flight surfaces, no Comms to speak of, total lack of understanding Vibration and material fatigue, what they had was a casing for a in-line jet engine, nothing else oh and a seat on top
@keirfree i don't know what planet your on mate,but if you bothered to look at designs such as the Ta 183 V1 and many more and stop quoting british aircraft you might see how far advanced designs like that were. Yes it didin't win the germans the war, but if you stop for a moment stop waving the union jack and read a bit about them these designs, they had a major influence on the first jet aircraft of the russians, americans and british i just being fair here and not being clouded by patriotism.
@pramboy09 It is Just Not True ! about Nazi design, whether it be Warships, or Tanks or aircraft it was not Hi tech, it was current tech hurried, into premature service.
You want Hi tech look at HMS Warspite 1944, or the Canberra 1950 or the UKs V Bombers you want mainplane excellence look at the Victor or the Comet, none of these came from the Nazi s and for Rocket look at Black Knight and its fuel its range its stability it still flys today as Arienne.
@keirfree getting back to ADVANCED JET AIRCRAFT DESIGNS anyone that has read anything on the subject can see just how the axis had far more on streamling and use of swept back wings in the advantage in speed. Many allied designer after the war used wind tunnel research and design to thier own advantage. There are many other designs that are just pure crap and were never going to work. I just don't read about the bad guys i appreciate all aircaft and give credit where it is due.
@pramboy09 Real Engineers the world over understand, what was done by the brits, ask Yank Inst for Civil Eng about,, Mulberry or any modern day designer about the Mosquito, or Concord, even after 30 years the swiss are catching up on Tunneling, ask any Indian about the engineering that went into their railways. me having a go at the Nazis design, is not out of Jingoism, ter all I was employed by a German Systems Engineering Co, 30 years ago and I qualified in military aircraft eng in 1965
@keirfree Well i will tell you, by late 42-43 the war was starting to go pear shaped for the germans, the realied heavily on german technology to turn the tide. Many designs they came up with was pure crap BUT.... some had merit. The 262 is the exception, it could have been ready by late 1942 but luckily hitler wanted it to carry bombs and luckily for us allies it was delayed. unreliable engines or not if it had been operational by 1942 it could have turned ww2 into a stalemate. But....
@pramboy09 Crap, everything the Germans came up with was counterd. Russians coming from the east, allies coming from the west, what do you think the 262 could have done? When Hitler decleard war on US he lost what ever chance he had.
@Goofus5453 i never said that the 262 was going to win the war, but it could have caused a stalemate if it was produced in the same numbers as the 109. Think about it, if the allied bombers can't get through and lose air superiority no army can advance without it.
A little known fact about Brit aircraft design, during 1940, for every 28 German made fighters the Brits produced 204, the fastest time to build a Wellington Bomber, was 24 hours starting at 5 am
and 40% of the production workers were women, that 12 months earlier would not know a axial engine from a six in-line
@keirfree Sigh.... i am an aircraft lover, it doesn't matter to me who built it i admire forward thinking and great aircraft and designs. You obviously have some sort on inferiorty complex by constantly telling information i already know about british aircraft. I never said anything about production and what britain produced, i merely stated that the germans had MORE ADVANCED JET AIRCRAFT DESIGNS ON PAPER COMPARED TO ANYTHING THE ALLIES HAD. Like it or not that is fact, why is that so?
@pramboy09 what was done by the Nazi Air Ministry was totally foolish, to impress Hitler by wasting time , effort, and resources on Aircraft, that, needed special fuel, limited flight duration, limited engine life cycle, and even less the qualified Pilots with hours in.
How many kills did this hi tech achieve ?
Imagine what could have been done if the Nazis could build aircraft like the
Mosquito and Typhoon, No A F Vs would have survived the race to Berlin
the Bismarck was sunk one of the causes was the under aged British torpedo bombers no really the Bismarck AA was not able to adyust to the slow torpedo bombers XD so they where shoting in front of them
they scuttled it . blew off the rear section & opened all the valves to prevent the British from capturing it & getting the gun rage finding gear of it. I was told this in 1989 by an old German Colonel I met before it was found. A few years later when Bob Ballard for the ship, loe & behold, the aft section was neatly severed from the ship. I guess he was right. He said all German ships built around then were built like that in case they had to scuttle them...
My step dads was also in the Britsh Navy at this time & he told me the british wanted to board the Bismarck & dismantle & remove the main gun range finding set up.
El acorozado giraba en circulos por el disparo de un Sworfhish que habia dado en el timon,fue machado hasta el infinito por los grandes acorazados de la royal navy y recibo una andanada de torpedos del Dorshetshire pero seguia a flote Linndenman dio la orden de abrir las valvulas y hundirlo,No la royal navy!!!
@provincianesca i hope you can understand because my spainsh is bad but here goes! El bismarck se habría hundido incluso si ellos no hubieran desechado el buque. ¿Ha leído usted acerca de la batalla?
not really you cant just pound your way through 3 feet of armor. most likely the shells wouldn't even dent it. even at point blank range where the shells would be the most affective. the bismarck had 18 inch guns when she sank yet reports of her in the yard had her with 22-25 inch guns. her super structure and guns where less armored. but you would have never sunk her body with guns you would ahve needed torpedoes or sea mines.
@TheNightrunner666 You are completly off the mark, naval guns make the most damage if they are plunging not at point blank range. It makes sense, they have more hight to force their way through armour, before detonating, thats what they are designed to do. Also you are completly wrong saying the bismarck had 18 inch guns, only the yamato had 18ich guns. Bismarck had 15 inch guns.
i was sure the bismark had 18's..of course i havent studied her in some years...so your prolly right. but originally she had 25 inch guns and as for plunging them you cant damage the ship by pounding through the top unless the shells are big enough to punch through....with how thick her armor was..its not possible hundreds of hells would be needed and even if that happened the deck would have been void of objects
@TheNightrunner666 The Yamato was the only battleship in world war 2 to have 18 inch guns. British shells were capable of penetrating the bismarck, the prince of wales penetrated her hull causing flooding to her foward section in the first engagement with Hood.
YES I KNOW THE PRINCE OF WHALES DAMAGED THE BISMARCK the point is her forward was lightly armored to keep the bow up out of the water for increased speed and punching through waves. and you'd have to watch some video's where they cleary say that while she was in dry dock she had 25 inch guns. they were removed however because they were destined for something greater aka the turpitz. sadly they the were not put on her either because she was going to get missle tubes to launch V2 rockets from
@TheNightrunner666 All the books i have make no mention of 25 inch guns perhaps you are confused with 25 mm AA guns? If you look at Yamato she had 9 inch decks but was penetrated by bombs from dauntless and helldivers. Considering how a 16 inch shell is more destructive than a armour piecing bomb, it would have only been a matter of time if the british had used plunging gunfire instead of point blank punching holes throught the superstrcture she would have been penetrated.
sorry Nightrunner, Pramboy is correct in stating that Bismarck had 15inch main guns. No ship has ever been built, to my knowledge with "25inch" guns. Even the projected German H class battleships, a super Bismarck was to have 18inch guns. for more info look up the book
i never said SHE HAD 25inch guns i said it was RUMORED that in dry dock she had 25 inch guns but they were removed for some fucked up reason i would have to look. and that teh Turpitz had missile tubes for the V2 rocket. however they were not construted on her. and yes i know teh turpits was around before the V2. but teh v2 was planed/concepted
@TheNightrunner666 i hope you have seen the light and now realise that the germans, british and rest of the world got it right and she had 15 inch guns. i say you got mistaken with 25 mm (millimetre) antiaircraft guns. you ready to agree?
@pramboy09 i see you have a thing with arguing. so i'll tell you. the bismarck and the turpitz were teh most advanced ships on the water. and she did have 25 inch guns built but were never used. second she wasnt sunk by teh torpedos. she was heavily damaged yes but teh scuttling charges finished her. she was in no danger of sinking from gun fire...she was the largest ship alfoat with come anti sinking countermeasures then you could dream tripple plated bulk heads. automatic doors.
@TheNightrunner666 Yes i agree, the aa guns on the bismarck were calibrated for faster airccraft, but how dumb is that?? did they not know the RN used swordfish as their torpedo bomber?? Yes scutlling charges just quicken what was always going to happen, the german were worried that she might have been used as a war trophy, they need not have worried.
@pramboy09 no they were not for fast aircraft the plane flew to low to the water. thats how they got close. flying under teh flak not slower then teh guns could rotate they were manual systems and hydraulic ones
@pramboy09 and she hard armor thick enough on the side to withstand any blast. they only punched shells through her top not her bottom. and the torpedo's did little damage. amd fpr teh guy who said it was because the torpedo planes were so slow the guns were to fast....no the planes were to LOW no ship can fire down at a [plane when they are to close. so just thought i'd add that why are people so stupid everyone has a comment to add but never the right one
@TheNightrunner666 i will say it again, the only reason the RN didn't penetrate her deck armour later in the battle was that they were too close to bismarck. If they had parked themselves a few miles away and used plunging gunfire they would have caused far more damage. Secondly i have many many books on the bismarck, can you please quote me authors and books of 25inch guns built for bismarck, i still think you are confused with 25MM anti aircraft guns. I would be gratefull.
@pramboy09 i havent seen it any books but i watched it on the history channel. and i tell you again they were never installed they were planned and built never installed because the shells were to large and to heavy for the shell elevator. and no her side armor was thick enough to withstand that. they never punched holes in her side. and they did she her from far off and upclose. she had a range of 15 miles im sure she could fight back
@TheNightrunner666 For starters the history channel is notorious for getting times, dates, other information wrong, 2nd you are expecting all of us to believe something you think you heard on the history channel?? I have around 10 books on the bismarck from various authors none of them mention 25inch guns, installed or not it would have been an important fact to add. Surly you must have books on the bismarck??I say again the bismarck had 20MM AA guns, you have mixed up inches with millimetres
@pramboy09 ever seen anything on secret weapons of ww2? well one of them was the 25 INCH i can tell the diff. guns mounted to the bismarck. just like teh turpitz was going to get 6 tubes which would hold V2 missiles. she was going to get 25 inch guns. once again they were constructed NEVER installed never even left the foundry. when it was noticed hey the guns are just TO damn big. and they were scrapped a week after they were built
@TheNightrunner666 for fuck sake,have you read books or do you just watch history channel and nothing else??,so they build 25 inch guns for bismarck and don't bother to find out first if they will fit or work( i persume in 1940)then say "what do you know they don't fit!", oh well lets scrap them.Yes i would think the germans would have thought of putting V2's as a big launch pad on the tirpitz she wasn't of any other use as a battleship by 1944.All of these ideas were just that but not practical
@pramboy09 hitler ORDER 25 inch guns. the ship was not built to hold nor house the guns. so with 15 inch guns aready built and the 25 inch guns unable to fit tearing apart the deck and replacing the housings would be to much work so 25 inch guns were scrapped. and for your information my personal library consist of well over 25'000 books. ranging from Ghost ships. that include the bismarck, Titanic,Adrea dora, to secret weapons of WW2. aswell as several ww2 based novel series
@TheNightrunner666 you need to check out what you have said, you said the guns were built then scrapped, either way there is no reference in all the books on the bismarck i have or website about 25 inch guns. I am still struggling with the logic in what you are saying why would you let alone order 25 inch guns for battleship that already has 15 inch guns and was designed for 15 inch guns, and like i said before the designers themselves would know it was a stupid idea in the first place.
@pramboy09 the damn guns. your thinking the turrets no the GUNS the guns that would be placed in the turrets. were scrapped. because they found that switching the damn shell elevators and the guns themselves would be to damn hard. with no cranes on this ship itself. she had 15 inch guns built but it would have had 25inch ones if the parts were inter changable. and why switch between you think well you dont need a 2900 pound shell to punch through a cargo ship.
@TheNightrunner666 IM NOT THINKING THE TURRETS,A 15 inch shell is plenty big enough to take out a battleship there is no need to start changing guns around, The sharnhorst, gneinsau and graff spee classes had 11 inch guns to take out merchants, name me the damn show you think you saw and thought you hear there were 25 inch guns, it is more than likely on youtube. But considering every website and every book i have about the design of the bismarck do not mention 25 inch guns i cannot beleive it.
@pramboy09 it doesnt mention them because the fucking ship never had them. t was to be the biggest damn ship in the world with biggest guns the world had ever seen naval anyways i know that 15 inches is big enough. dont ask me why but the fucking thing said she was RUMORED to have been able to carry 25 inch guns which were constructed but due to weight, ammo, and other major technical problems the guns were scrapped or repurposed only a week after finished. look back a few months i say RUMORED
@TheNightrunner666 You also state that in a earlier post they were built delieved to the docks for instalation this would have never happened!! they would have known well before that it was never going to fucken work!! THEN WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE RUMOUR COME FROM?? BECAUSE NO FUCKEN BOOK OR FUCKEN WEBSITE STATES THIS RUMOUR. AND IF THE ONLY EVIDENCE YOU HAVE IS SOMETHING YOU THINK HEARD ON HISTORY CHANNEL THEN I KNOW IT IS FUCKEN BULLSHIT.
@pramboy09 all there be is rumors. what you want me to fly to berlin and point at a pair of guns and be like bam i was right? the place was BOMBED TO THE GROUND. you say im wrong what ever. say im full o shit. but i know what i heard. their is a reason the ship was said to the biggest guns in the world. and if its not in a book so what. i have read PLENTY about topics that were not in a book about that. like secret weapons of Germany that never mention the flying wing. OR the Me262..komets there
@TheNightrunner666 you really are a dumb ass, yeah so fucken what the place was burnt to the ground most rumours come from somewhere like an high ranking officiall or designer, which is it?? you tell me that rumour has guns were made and not installed where did the rumour come from it's not a hard question considering you did watch it on television. If you bother to read some books as well as watch television you find many about secret german weapons i have a few myself.
@TheNightrunner666 just a few other points the Horten flying wing was captured by the allies and plans for heavy bombers of the type don't know what book you have, also the 262 and komet were operational in 1944 and 45 respectivily hence the reason they weren't in a secret weapons book because they were of common knowlege to the allies.
@pramboy09 no the komet was in the book. the ME262 and horten flying wing(surprised you know the proper name) were not in the book. but the double Me109 was it was just like the double mustang to mustang with their wings cut off and slapped together with small wings sections between the two planes. and i have never heard of and only 1 or 2 were made and their performance was shit. both crashed shortly after take off
@TheNightrunner666 suprised? why ? i'm into my aircraft more than anything else. The germans got desperate late in the war looking for a way to pull it all back, they also had radio guided bombs they used against naval targets, underground tunnels using slave labour to put together 262's, heavy bombers on the drawing board to bomb the states and may types of swept wing fighters which help the americans and the soviets develop the mig-15 and sabre F-86.
@pramboy09 the americans already had a jet fighter during ww2 but it never saw combat yes we took alot of there jet tech but it didn't help with the design of the F-86 sabre the F-86 was simply a modified P-51 Mustang by modified i mean the design was changed a lil to suit the jet engine what the germans really did for us was missles V-2 really helped us with the ICBMs
@jojo51886 Modified P-51??? i couldn't disagee with you more, the sabre was the first american fighter to take advantage of german swept back wing research every book will tell you that, in fact any website will tell you that. The reason the Mig-15 and F-86 have very similar lines is that both sides had access to german research. I'm not saying the whole design is copied german design, but if you look at some of the german swept back wing designs they had, some look very similar to the sabre.
@jojo51886 i can understand construction techniques would have been used from the mustang but the swept wing and tail surfaces were directly from caputred tech the germans had on swept back wings, the germans had a huge headstart on the rest of the world on the technology as well as streamlining of airframes. L. P. Greene head of the design team got hold of some captured german wind tunnel reports on the advantage of swept back wings and the rest is history.
@keirfree no i am NOT way off the mark, there is something called a wind tunnel where you can see the benefits of certain wing configurations, the germans had seen right back in the late 30's the advantage of swept back wings. when it come's to engines the english were the pioneers of an powerfull reliable jet engine by war's end and the germans were not far behind but being bombed and not having the right materals was against them
@keirfree now the first jet fighter the Me 262 was the first ever in production, it could have been ready in late 1942 if had not been for hitler asking for it to be converted into a fighter bomber. Yes it was not perfect, yes it's engines had a tendinacy to flame out early on ... but it could also do well over 500 mph in 1942 (I would have thought if 262 pilots had problems manouving their cannon i would have thought it would have been because they were flying over 500 mph!!!)
@keirfree im not talking about spacecraft genius im talking about inter continental ballistic missles the V-2 is the grandfather to all of them even if it didnt have a very long range they didnt have the tech we do know
@jojo51886 Read this and Think the V2 was so shitty it could only fly 47 Km
had no means of navigating, no telemetry, and could be destroyed by petrol engined Fighters ie the Typhoon. So 47 Km is not Intercontinental,, it is not even further than a wallmart
USA rocket technology came from the 5000 engineers that worked for NASA s Jet Prop Lab not i german ps it was an American who devised the Maths for Rocket flight,,, 1922 No NAZI
@keirfree read this becouse they didnt have that tech till almost 20 years after the war ended but the V2 design was used to make the nuclear missles we have today and thos 5000 engineers based there work off the V2 cuz all the earliest american missles looked like the V2 until the 60s genius learn ur damn history
@jojo51886 You really are a wanker, by the 1950s the Brits had built Black Knight, a Binary fuel rocket to carry out A Bombs tested and flown in Woomera Australia. that rocket still flies today as Arianne, the ESA Launch rocket, The Krauts could not get anything like near to the Brits in Technology, in fact the Krauts were asked in the 50s to builld with the french, stage 2 & 3 both failed to deliver, Brits sold the rocket to the French Read all about it and Blue Streak,
@keirfree and i never said anything about britain i stated that german missle tech helped america produce ballistic missles that there tech greatly advanced our own jet missle and guided missle tech never said anything about britain. and as for the brits selling the rocket to the french was a horrible idea they wouldnt know what to do with weapons if there life depended on it and it has many times which theyve failed miserably. i give it off to britain they had alot of shit we didnt
@jojo51886 Your another like Pramboy that type total schoolboy bullshit you like him , use words like greatly advanced !!! Name One Hi tech advancement, that was not known before 1935 but was after 1945 that was of German original thought !!!
You Shit about the French is Shit Bias the French launch the rockets that allow the USA to put satellite and other vehicles into Space because currently the USA cannot not, last launch was within last 3 months
@keirfree School boy?? you agrogant dipshit, One high tech advancement? radio guided missile, Balistic missiles, ejector seat, swept back wing designs, the assault rifle, the x-4 air to air missile they enough for you or should i go on?
The krauts could hardly understand Vhf let alone telemetry ? missiles carrying explosive was in use since the 19th Cent, and prior to that the Chinese 200 years ago Ejector seats my Arse 174 Nazi Pilots died trying to land early jets
thats one hundred and seventy four, Killed try to land. what is an Assult Rifle ?
who would use one ? 39-45 ? You Pratt on about a swept back wing it was well known about as every Flight Fin is swept back,,,, but in 1940
@keirfreeThe first Ejector seat if you fucken bother to read anything you ignorant fuck was installed in the Dornier Do-355 Pfiel,it did work but not like today's models.Of course which you seem to forget anything that is cutting edge and right on the boarder line of what is possible in the 1940's is a allot easier when technology moves on, but it was again the way of the future.Why did so many pilot die landing first generation jets? for the same reason many test pilots died in the 1950's
@pramboy09 The Nazi never had an aircraft that could carry a Missile of the type available 1n the 30s/40s, In fact the Nazi could not build a 4 engine bomber, that could carry a bomb payload. the most powerful bomber of that age was the Lancaster,
I have given you books to read on Nazi aircraft , esp on their future weapons, written by an Yank Redneck or some Col Blimp of the uk NO,, written by W Messerschimdts grandson, about the bullshit that went down in the Nazi Air Ministry, 1933-43
@keirfree your wrong, look up the henschel Hs 293 it could be carried by any number of medium bombers the germans had. It sunk and damaged many allied ships from 1942.
LASER = Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission Radiation,
a high power focussed light source.
PS the Brits had patented the Jet engine 6 years before any German could produce a schematic of 1, also if you read von Brauns Auto biography he admits freely he got all his workings from an American Engineer, who published his Maths findings in the 1920s.
@keirfree I never said the germans had better jet engine technology it is common knowledge the british jet engines were supeior. But.. their airframes were not, the germans had done alot of wind tunnel research and had some very advanced designs on the design table, the chief designer of the F-86 freely admitted he used german wind tunnel research in the design. It took 4 yrs after the war to get a jet fighter faster than the 262.
@keirfree now back to the radio guided bomb, you seem to either refuse to believe one existed, refuse to believe the germans could do it, or refuse to believe it worked?? How about you bother to look at a WORKABLE EXAMPLE (Henschel Hs 293) It had a big disadvantage though being radio guided the signal could be easily jammed if seen during launch. But the weapon did exist it did work and sunk many ships if you bothered to read a few books you might see that.
@keirfree On Sept. 9, 1943 German bombers using guided bombs sank the Italian battleship Roma. 2 bombs hit the Roma, guided by the bombadiers in their respective planes. The ship had been the victim of a Ruhrstahl FX-1400 radio-controlled glide bomb, also known as the Fritz-X or PC 1400 X. It weighed 3,450 lbs., and had a 661-lb. warhead. Meant for use against ships,it was visually guided by the bombardier on either a Heinkel HE-111 or Dornier DO-217 bomber -- both two-engined planes.
@keirfree Of course von Braun would have used some resarch already done on rocket motors to start his own work every inventor does, the germans had a working balistic missilie we were years behind, why the hell did the allies chase so hard for his team after the war if he had nothing to offer??
@pramboy09 only those that had no real engineering knowledge of rockets chased the German team, those that did understand, the reallity of rocket weapons, did not bother, knowing that there is more to rockets than just Science,
it means Logistics, in terms of Fuel, and telemetry known of this was understood by Germany
There is No point in even building a fast jet fighter, if you have No runways, or fuel to power these Engines, and evn tho you have you have not the flight control
@keirfree What are you talking about??? They chased german rocket scientists because they had knowledge and know how to build a workable balistic missile something the allies could not do. Have you heard of the redstone rocket?? It was the first american balstic missile which was based on the V-2 who designed it?? Von braun and his team. This same rocket was used to put the first american sataleite into space.
@pramboy09 Think of it this way, to win a F1 race you need a F1 Car and 1 Driver !
But you also need teams of Engineers at both the factory and race level to keep on evolving the technology, tyres, fuel electronics, transport, training of these people, and you need Millions and Millions of Dollars
F1 car not a single engineering, event, but an ochestrra, of Expertise in harmony
@keirfree "There is No point in even building a fast jet fighter, if you have No runways, or fuel to power these Engines, and evn tho you have you have not the flight control for Guns" I don't think any jet fighter designer in germany during the war would thought they would be over run and being bombed day and night in 43-45 don't you think? So i would have thought a fighter that was faster than anything else would have been quite valuable, but not to you obviously.
@pramboy09 I have lived and worked in Germany and the USA my background is Avionics,
I worked for Rockwell-Collins in the early days of the B1 Bomber, I also worked for 1 of Germanys leading, military systems integrator aka systembau, so am I a memeber of the flat earth scty ? I have forgotten more engineering than I presume you could ever learn.
@keirfree For someone that thinks he worked on the B-1 and worked on leading military systems you have never heard of radio guided missile? I gave you an example of a FACTUAL WORKING example which you said was impossible, you believe there was no german high tech during ww2 but seem to forget that the soviets and the west scrambled for german rocket scientists and jet aircraft deisgners after the war, either you are a naieve so called expert in avonics or just full of shit.
@pramboy09 Simple Science basiics !! Germany had no working VHF good enough for guidance, that belonged to the Americans/Brits with what is known as Loran then Loran C this does not guide anything, It does set up a Parabolic Paraboloid, allowing precise navigation to a Target, using Master and slave transmissions the Higher the Fqys the greater the accuracy of being within a Null point.
Germany did try, accurate navigation using radio Transmissions, 1 Master Germany one slave Tx in Poland
@pramboy09 This system was code named Dogs-leg, and used HF Fqys
Its trial target was Rosyth docks UK on 2nd day of WW2, the Luftwaffe Bomber carrying this equipment, was shot down before, reaching its Target, and of course the Brits recovered the Radio Receivers aboard.
Subsquent analysis of the working componants, by Prf Jones, Science advisor to Churchill alerted the Brits to what Nazi technology was current.
to guide a Bomb you need Antennas to recieve a signal you need more than one
@keirfree but i can't ignore the advances the germans achieved as well, why are you so incredibly one dimensional with praise?? I know the nazis did some fucken horrible things and quite honesly got what they deserved, But not all of them were crazy nazis, i can quote many pilots, captains and designers that hated hitler. I am someone that can admire designs, ideas and technology from either side, sad you can't.
@pramboy09 You must not confuse Germans and NAZI s
I do not think you have read the factual books on Nazi aircraft design, not by a Brit but by a German, Willie Messerschimdts grandson, The Nazi Party were not the Technical Font of knowledge, that has been protrayed, far from it.
Senior members of the Party rose to be senior, due to their Total Ignorance of Technology esp in the Nazi Air Ministry, money was handed out, for any second rate Idea, to achieve Air Dominance,
during the mid to late 30s there was internal strife in the Nazi Air Min, so stupidity reigned, ex why try and create a new Jet Engine when one had already been inventented, and patented 6 years earlier.
No one in Germany understood the power of electronics or what it could achieve
thats why, the Brits allowed the deaths of cities to protect, their Ultra, and cover up the fact that the Med was totally under uk Control due to electronics,
@pramboy09 Rommel was beaten not due to Tank technology, but due to being able to know what he was thinking before Hitler did,
it was not until the 1990 s when Brit Records became avail was the extent, of both arrogance and stupidity of the Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe was known
Why did,Germany seem big in Science,
Simple, the Americans had to lie, to cover up their lack of capability prior to 1945
AGAIN let me clarify, the USA could out produce anyone, exmp >> Cargo ship built in 48 hours
@pramboy09 1 thing more ! the V2 was Not Guided it had a flight duration of only 70 Miles, it was a Dinosauer compared what was built and Tested at Woomera
Australia, then became known as Arienne,
To launch the V2 it had to be taken to Peenemunde in Holland to achieve E Channel Transition.
Try reading !! Last Talons of the Eagle,
or German design, 1933- 1945,
By experts the # 1 Nazi design was the 4000 series Locomotive worst design the Tiger Tank
@keirfree i never said the v-2 was guided!! but later models were, it was used at first by the americans, soviets and british before moving on their own tangents.
"You must not confuse Germans and NAZI s" i haven't!! that was the point i was making. Yes i am quite aware how much the americans could produce, that was one of the reasons the war was won, but it certianly helps when you aren't being bombed every day!
@keirfree like i mentioned before Von Braun went to work for the US Army's Redstone Arsenal, He then worked on, Jupiter, Jupiter-C, Pershing, and Saturn rockets. Like it or not the V-2 was the pioneering rocket used first by the yanks and the soviets. Of fucken course there was changes from the original design after the war.
@Purplecatsoup30 Your a Candian according to your Profile ! are you aware the first recorded case of AIDS, was that of a Canadian, Canada Air Steward, back from a trip to Africa ! Yup First Gay to contact aids a Candian Guy who took it up the Arse, maybe from a Chimpanzee who knows, it is widely known, how much, canadian males, enjoy getting Humped by other men,or primates
@keirfree You seem to refuse to give any credit to any german design, you denied the germans had a radio guided bomb, when i give you an example of one you put your fucken head in the sand and still refuse that it worked or existed!! You then refuse to give any credit to german jet design by saying just because they were losing the war they were useless, what the fuck has got to do with the aircraft? I will also remind you that it was YOU that started this agrument again, bye bye!
@pramboy09 You do not understand basic science if you remain convinced, that in the years of WW2 a bomb could be guided by a radio signal,
what would propel this falling projectile ? what would this bomb react to ? and how ? and at what speed, and how could it be determined that a change in any flight parameters had been effected.
The Luftwaffe on the out break of ww2 a Bomber Guidance system named Dogs- leg regretabley this Luftwaffe Bomber was shot down 2 nd day of WW2 over the Pentland Hills
@pramboy09 I have read your HS 293 technical parameters, I think you should do the same, do not confuse a glide weapon as a bomb the Hs 293 was a very simple airlaunched missile albeit with mainplane stubs it had NO terminal guidance system, nor could it aquire a target on its own, its simple ailerons could be adjusted by using actuators responding to the stepping motion of a signal But only effective if the Mother ship maintained same course,
@keirfree i didn't say it could aquire at target by itself, christ it was designed in the 1930's!! Like i have said sooo many times it was radio guided (it had a rocket motor slung under it's belly) but using the mothership to remote control it to it's target using a radio wave hence a RADIO GUIDED MISSILE. Successful? not as they would have liked, the mother ship was very vunerable to aa and fighter damage, it did though sink quite a few ships and badly damaged others. which i will list for you
@pramboy09 HMS Egret,HMCS Athabaskan (severely damaged),HMHS Newfoundland (severely damaged),SS Bushrod Washington sunk,HMS Dulverton severely damaged,HMS Jervis badly damaged, HMS Janus sunk, SS Samuel Huntington sunk ,HMS Spartan sunk, USS Herbert C Jones badly damaged,SS Elihu Yale sunk,HMS Inglefield sunk, USS Lansdale sunk,HMS Lawford sunk,USS Meredith sunk,HMCS Matane badly damaged.
@pramboy09 How many of the ships were stationary when hit by a airlaunched Bomb ? certainly some were on defence picket duty much the same as Sheffield was in the S Atlantic so any type of bombardment could have been equally destructive.
the above is a handful of ships sunk or damaged during 6 years of conflict, compare that to, 75% of the Kreigsmaine Sunk esp Subs by Feb 1942 ( battle of the Atlantic ) and it would incorrect of me to say the RN had super weapons. German guided sysytems Cont
@keirfree ships hit were convoy ships so yes they were trying to avoid them (you could bother to read about it yourself!) the missile was used from 1941 if you had bothered to read, and like i have already said it wasn't a huge sucess, i never said it was!!! , the arguement was the missile itself you refused to believe it existed, it did, end of story.
@pramboy09 No I did Not disbelieve that such a weapon existed, I Disagreed with your premis this was some Engineeering wonder ! it was not, also I tried to clarify, the common consent as to what a Radio guided Bomb could and not do.
I think you will also find I made little refernce toV2s I see others did.
The V2 was a true ballistic missile, as it fulfilled a true trajectory, as would any ball ammo being fired from , cannon, rifle etc, the Glide missile is Not ! it depended on gravity to launch
really came into being with the V2 navigation was with simple space gyros, and active fins within the V2 for flight control on take of was via radio now known as Telemetry,( line of sight, telemetery,, this means No over the Horizon control, telemetry in truth even the V2 only had variable fins via electric actuators, and this wasd all von Braun brought to guided missiles, V2 s range was not fuel control, but by gyro, lapsed time made the Gyros topple gravity then took over
@keirfree Why the fuck are you bring up the v-2 again? i never said it had navigational control, the main point months ago, was the germans had a working balistic missile which we did not have at the time we wanted it, america got it and von braun and the rest is history.
@pramboy09 Cont : To get Radio bearings you need more than 1 antenna the difference in distance between HF Antennas allows better D F, to find out the length of each antenna use the Formulae L= C devided by F
L =lambda length of a antenna, C= Speed of Light F= the Fqy of the carrier transmitted, in the days of WW2 this would mean a bomb having, min 2 antenna s each side, the length of a B 17 Bomber.
Science wins ! myths Shot down,
It was the Brits, that used "Picalo " a Fqy jumping
@keirfree the other thing you need to realise is that i don't just read about german advances but all countries and i LIKE TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE, i admire the british for their home defence radar during the battle of britain (which many of my countryman flew, new zealanders), also the sheer genius of the spitfire and de havilland mosquito, and later the steam catapault and the angled deck of the carriers. Not to mention the T-34, P-51, Yak -3 of the all allied nations.
It was Not until 1970 did this technology become Mobile due to Cct Integration,
and was used by Brit army to Null IRA terrorists listening, Code named
Ptarmigan, after a brit bird that changes its feathers to suit climate background colour Where did I work on B1 ? Cedar Rapids, Iowa for ?? Rockwell PS First use of Transponders to guide Smart Bombs Baghdad , Gulf 1
transponders placed on Target by hand, by the SAS later,,,Laser guided
@pramboy09 Cont : a slow heavy round like the 7.62 mm is useless in jungle warfare it has limited infantry use as it too heavy to carry ( relative) and difficult to fire in close urban warfare such as Iraq/ Afghanistan today
Small Calibre high Velocity ammo, developed by the USA 1960 s and brought into service using modern composite plastics is now the Norm. you will find it was the Allies that introduced air launched missiles (rockets ),
Tell me how do guide a missile once out of sight ?
@keirfree The missile was never out of sight, it was released by a bomber and guided to it's target by radio waves, this wasn't as successfull as required because jamming radio waves is quite easy but it became a game of cat and mouse finding out which bomber was going for what target. With the allies and germans in that field. This sort of technology was the forerunner to what we have today with laser guided missiles or bombs ie. paveway
@pramboy09 You also Know little of WW2 you state it was by 1943 it was going pear shape for the Nazis READ
1941 Luftwaffe shot out of the Skies Bob ended sept 1941
1942 Feb saw the end of The Battle of the Atlantic, 75% of surface and sub surface boats of the Kreigsmarine Sunk.
Rommel and His Afrika Korps chased out of Afrika 1942 by then the R N had sunk the Italian Fleet and the French Fleet and blown up on land 50% of Luftwaffe by SAS
@keirfree listen you dumb arogant fuck, how many nations had a workable ballistic missile dickhead??? how many countries had ON PAPER designs that were possible to break the sound barrier where the fuck did the soviets, british and ameircans get alot of their wind tunnel information from??? Let me give you a history lesson fuckwit in 1941 germany was still advancing they had captured crete and into north africa and were almost had all of USSR, by 1943 they were being pushed back.
@keirfree it's funny really, i am far more pro-british than i was ever pro-american when it comes to technology and foward thinking, but you remind me of a red-necked american that hasn't bothered to read about both sides, and when you have, you refuse to even acknowldege anything the "bad guys" have done might be slightly better than the rest. I have lived in e
Bismark not fake. Bismark is real battleship. bismark fire at hood then hit ammo storage and samething on pearl harbor. jap plane bomb at arizona then hit on storage then huge exploded.
TylerAssady 5 months ago
fake and gay
aazish100 5 months ago
german should admit that they are soooo weak on sea
deathprize88 6 months ago
@deathprize88 You`re joking, right?
LeutholdJR 6 months ago 3
@deathprize88 they are strong in any major of battles
logelamutp 5 months ago
@deathprize88 WWII Germany was weak on the sea?? Do you read history books??
AmericanThunder 3 months ago
lets all admit that if Bisarck wasnt unlucky with that 1 plane that destroyed its steering it would have f**ked up the convoys
terrorist277 6 months ago
hi artehistorical im the one of ur subscribers and i want to know where do u get that video umm this is a game or this is a editor?
TheIserlohn123 7 months ago
My dad served on Hood until his transfer to HMS Kylemore, just a month before Hood's sinking. He lost many good friends. Six months later, Kylemore met her fate too, at the hands of German Dorniers, & my dad was one of only 8 survivors. He was awarded the DSM for courageous conduct during & after the sinking. The medal was pinned on his chest by Lord Mountbatten.
speakswahilidammit 7 months ago
70 years ago today. No postings today on any of the Bismark videos. About 3400 killed with the sinkings of Bismark and Hood.
Todays headlines? Some hooker that screwed Wayne Rooney mouthing off.
Welcome to the twenty first century.
TheSpiritof1969 8 months ago 14
DEUTSCHLAND
sirsmokeloard 8 months ago
balls of steal
matt92099 8 months ago
bismark is the best battle ship?
megasalexandros97 8 months ago
The Bismarck was a brilliant piece of technology. Unfortunately she was an example of human ingenuity devoted to the worst purposes. When she was sunk, after being pounded by battleships, planes, torpedoes, etc., her belt armor was intact. Had her steering not been fouled by a lucky shot from the Hood, she probably would have given the Royal Navy many more weeks of it. Who knows, she may have even made it back to Brest.
lebarosky 8 months ago
@lebarosky Wrong pronoun - the Bismarck was a "he", not a "she". ;)
Skull10 8 months ago
@Skull10 wrong. in English their is no gender, but in German the Bismarck would take feminine gender.
so he right,
in German the Bismarck would be pronounced as die Bismarck, not der Bismarck.
snowwolf7777 8 months ago
@snowwolf7777
normally as people have pointed out at least in english and german, ships are referred to as she. but the Bismarck was referred to as a HE by the captain who also informed the crew that since the Bismarck was (paraquoting) a big fearsom warrior the Bismarck is a HE.
though i still use she.
notsureyou 8 months ago
@notsureyou Well in that case, the Captain of the Bismarck is wrong should for using bad grammar.
snowwolf7777 8 months ago
@Skull10 Not in English! Ships are shes. Just a custom of the sea, at least seagoing English speakers.
lebarosky 8 months ago
@Skull10
In English and German ships are "She". Only difference is concerning Motherland - Fatherland. Maybe you mixed that up.
lucius1976 8 months ago
Nice module. My grandfather said she was one hell of a sight when she was firing at him. To talk to him you would have thought he was the only person involved in her sinking. He lost two friends on the Hood. So he had some very personal feelings about Bismarck.
tina6581 9 months ago 2
cool
Athrun1993817Ayanami 9 months ago
YOU DID DISBELIEVE, i tried tell you months ago it existed and explained how it worked, I NEVER SAID IT WAS A BALASTIC MISSILE, i already told you it was launched from a plane, which used a rocket motor and radio waves to guide it to its target, a bomb uses only gravity BUT IT WAS ROCKET PROPELLED! so it is a missile!! in fact the first air to ground. Now will you go try and find someone else wrong about something!
pramboy09 1 year ago
the best.... england sucks!
gaditanogadi 1 year ago
nope,sorry this is not bismarck
SyberiaDreams 1 year ago
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la contribucion alemana a la tecnologia mundial es obvia,basta con recordar que los rusos y los yankees estaban en una carrera(al momento de entrar a berlin ) por encontrar a las grandes mentes nazis y que pocos años despues von braun(cientifico nazi que desarrollo el primer misil balistico conocido como v2,base de los propulsores que llevaron al hombre a la luna) fue el primer director de la NASA.
entonas 1 year ago
The Redstone rocket was a V2 varient. Although Von Braun is credited with the V2, I feel certain that it was actually concieved by Klaus Riedel, head of the Peenamunde research facility. (I stand to be corrected on that, it just rings a bell from history lessons.)
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner you may be right, sometimes i don't know what's wrong with people (ie keirfree), i know the germans may have been the enemy and did some terrible things but you still have to give credit where credit is due. To completely put your head in the sand and refuse to believe anything the germans designed in the war was high tech or better than anything the allies had is just pure craziness, all sides had some great minds but this guy refuses to see that.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Also, thinking on. the V1, (doodlebug) was used bu the US navy post war for early sub launched missiles and it was named the "Loon" Come to think of it,the hull design of the USS Nautilus was basically a type XX1 U-boat.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
There are smart people and idiots everywhere. The comment section of this video is an example of that.
AnHeroDesu 1 year ago
Pramboy Cont """" read my fucking Lips ! and stop being an uneducated Twat """"
every schoolboy had seen Sci fi Comics from the 30s with tail planes being swept back, all it does is reduce leading edge, pressure build up
BUT unless you have the Thrust ie a rocket Ram jet it was a aero dynamic burden,
and No aircraft had that thrust, but every one knew the Maths.
Are you some Nerd, with No understanding of simple Engineering.
There was limited refinery production for German jet fuel,
No Brainer
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfrere you dick, you think because there were swept back tailplanes before it is the same thing?????????????? There were swept back wings in WW 1 but for a complelty different reasons (ballance and stability of the aircraft) you accuse ME of no understanding of engineering???? I have already told you of at least one design that was far ahead of what we had i can name more if you bother to look. I have a book by Marek Rys of german air projects 35-45 just have a look it isn't one sided.
pramboy09 1 year ago
England just owned everyting in the air or water. Its that simple.
Tantrumzero 1 year ago
@Tantrumzero Your correct , The Bismarck was obsolute, the day it was launched it was WW1 design. and had very primitive A A capability.
Bismarck had, only 1 leading edge tech, that was Radar for gun control, it was ahead of the R N
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree i can also quote you german jet designs that were years ahead of what all of us allies were designing. The soviets, americans and english all scrambled to grabbed designs and designers relaising just how far more advanced the krauts were in aerodynamics to us. You only have to see the first post war jet aircraft by all nations to see where the ideas came from. you can see that the with the german swept back wing designs, delta wing config's and pusher designs helped this.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Your Talking absolute Bollocks, First jet engine patented 1930s F Whittle, advanced epliptical mainplanes Spitfire, ultimate long range Fighter Mustang. Bomber the Lancaster Germany had nothing that could even get near a Mosquito so fast it did not need guns the Typhoon that shot down ME 262 s
First real jet warplane Meteor followed by Canberra, then civilian Comet
No way did Germany have leading edge technology, you been playing too much X box
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree you really are an absolute twat!! x-box?? i don't have one and will never have one!! You obviously don't bother reading books. You are like many i have seen that only want to wave the flag of the country you are from and completely ignore other countries designs, there are plenty americans like you to. Like it or not it is fact, that early on the british designed the best jet engines and the germans came up with the best airframes to put them in.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 bollocks
Best airframe Mosquito madet of Balsa wood could be made in any furniture factory, so fast it did not need to be armed, it could also act as a Bomber with near same payload as B17.
Lancaster, Nothing could lift a bomb load like a Lanc, Seaboat > Sunderland,
Fighter Spitfire + Typhoon Mustang tho built in USA
Gloucester Meteor, Jet, want to get Educated read "last talons of the eagle " written by great nephew of W Messerschimdt, will explode your ill founded belief
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 You overlook the Best petrol engine the Merlin,think you need to read much more !
German warships WW1 design, German tank Tiger, took 2 years to design too long to build cost x3 the modern Leo2
AND it was useless in extreme cold and ice, it froze, and in russia it could not move until the sun came up,,,,,, or the crews kept its engine running over night
and you tell me to read,
117 Nazi test pilots died, trying to fly the Me Jet, before that due to type of fuel skinned pilots
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree i could tell you more about british aircaft than you obnixous twat,i was never talking about british piston driven aircraft.(which i love the spitfire, hurricane, typhoon, whirlwind, tempest, beaufighter, mosquito etc.)I was merely commenting the germans had a big headstart in jet aerodynamics, just check out how much of their research and designs were copied and used in such aircraft as the mig -9 and 15, sabre and J-29 tunnan as well delt wing and swept back designs from avro.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree why are you quoting spifire, mustang and lancaster?? All great aircaft in thier own right but what the fuck is that do to with first generation jet aircraft?? The mk 1 metoer was a good gun platform and was perfect for taking out v-1's and ground attack but was around 100mph slower than the 262 in 1944 which was far more capable. Why don't you check out the Focke wulf Ta 183 V1 and tell me how many REAL post war jet's it looks like before commenting dribble like you have.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 My mentioning of other non jet was to indicate the handle the Brits had on airframe and mainplane design. even in the days of conventional engines the problems of leading edge pressure was well known, and using solutions such as sweeping back the mainplane edges was not feasable due to lack of thrust on a I/C engine.When Jets arrived sweeping back could be achieved
Btw by the time Meteor s were on the scene V 1 s obsolute and V 1 s could be toppled by a spit s mainplane
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree as did the americans, germans and japanese. But like i said before the reason why swept back winged aircraft arrived just after the war was the use of german tech. The tempest was also used against v-1's to good effect.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 what German hi Tech ?? there was None, it was only the Yanks that was impressed by the Binary fuelled rocket, and they continued the Myth of Nazi engineering so there was No need to explain their lack of Engineering.
Look carefully at Nazi design, no undercarriage, No Mechanical means of moving flight surfaces, no Comms to speak of, total lack of understanding Vibration and material fatigue, what they had was a casing for a in-line jet engine, nothing else oh and a seat on top
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree i don't know what planet your on mate,but if you bothered to look at designs such as the Ta 183 V1 and many more and stop quoting british aircraft you might see how far advanced designs like that were. Yes it didin't win the germans the war, but if you stop for a moment stop waving the union jack and read a bit about them these designs, they had a major influence on the first jet aircraft of the russians, americans and british i just being fair here and not being clouded by patriotism.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 It is Just Not True ! about Nazi design, whether it be Warships, or Tanks or aircraft it was not Hi tech, it was current tech hurried, into premature service.
You want Hi tech look at HMS Warspite 1944, or the Canberra 1950 or the UKs V Bombers you want mainplane excellence look at the Victor or the Comet, none of these came from the Nazi s and for Rocket look at Black Knight and its fuel its range its stability it still flys today as Arienne.
I have no need to flag wave,
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree getting back to ADVANCED JET AIRCRAFT DESIGNS anyone that has read anything on the subject can see just how the axis had far more on streamling and use of swept back wings in the advantage in speed. Many allied designer after the war used wind tunnel research and design to thier own advantage. There are many other designs that are just pure crap and were never going to work. I just don't read about the bad guys i appreciate all aircaft and give credit where it is due.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Real Engineers the world over understand, what was done by the brits, ask Yank Inst for Civil Eng about,, Mulberry or any modern day designer about the Mosquito, or Concord, even after 30 years the swiss are catching up on Tunneling, ask any Indian about the engineering that went into their railways. me having a go at the Nazis design, is not out of Jingoism, ter all I was employed by a German Systems Engineering Co, 30 years ago and I qualified in military aircraft eng in 1965
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree Well i will tell you, by late 42-43 the war was starting to go pear shaped for the germans, the realied heavily on german technology to turn the tide. Many designs they came up with was pure crap BUT.... some had merit. The 262 is the exception, it could have been ready by late 1942 but luckily hitler wanted it to carry bombs and luckily for us allies it was delayed. unreliable engines or not if it had been operational by 1942 it could have turned ww2 into a stalemate. But....
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Crap, everything the Germans came up with was counterd. Russians coming from the east, allies coming from the west, what do you think the 262 could have done? When Hitler decleard war on US he lost what ever chance he had.
Goofus5453 1 year ago
@Goofus5453 i never said that the 262 was going to win the war, but it could have caused a stalemate if it was produced in the same numbers as the 109. Think about it, if the allied bombers can't get through and lose air superiority no army can advance without it.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Let me explain the Bullshit behind the so called Assault Rifle,
it does not work, assault SMG does that is why the russians built them and the Brits, even today the lightweight smg has it uses
In 1947 the Belgians manufactured the FAL the Russians the Ak 47
ak 47 waste of time unless your a well trained soldier it fires a heavy round therefore useless in auto mode as a reliable weapon yes it has merits,
it is too long to be of use, either as a vehicle carried or helicopter
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 In 1942 if they had the same amount of 262's as 109's hell yes but thats a big if.
Goofus5453 1 year ago
@pramboy09
A little known fact about Brit aircraft design, during 1940, for every 28 German made fighters the Brits produced 204, the fastest time to build a Wellington Bomber, was 24 hours starting at 5 am
and 40% of the production workers were women, that 12 months earlier would not know a axial engine from a six in-line
German small arms design,,,,The Best !
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree Sigh.... i am an aircraft lover, it doesn't matter to me who built it i admire forward thinking and great aircraft and designs. You obviously have some sort on inferiorty complex by constantly telling information i already know about british aircraft. I never said anything about production and what britain produced, i merely stated that the germans had MORE ADVANCED JET AIRCRAFT DESIGNS ON PAPER COMPARED TO ANYTHING THE ALLIES HAD. Like it or not that is fact, why is that so?
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 what was done by the Nazi Air Ministry was totally foolish, to impress Hitler by wasting time , effort, and resources on Aircraft, that, needed special fuel, limited flight duration, limited engine life cycle, and even less the qualified Pilots with hours in.
How many kills did this hi tech achieve ?
Imagine what could have been done if the Nazis could build aircraft like the
Mosquito and Typhoon, No A F Vs would have survived the race to Berlin
No AfV s no Russiian/Paton advance
keirfree 1 year ago
One ship dosent make a naval fleet :P Its just all about germanys promp, splendor and self mastrubation....
Tantrumzero 1 year ago
zu kurz. . .
yvesguilland 1 year ago 2
the Bismarck was sunk one of the causes was the under aged British torpedo bombers no really the Bismarck AA was not able to adyust to the slow torpedo bombers XD so they where shoting in front of them
askyss 1 year ago
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they scuttled it . blew off the rear section & opened all the valves to prevent the British from capturing it & getting the gun rage finding gear of it. I was told this in 1989 by an old German Colonel I met before it was found. A few years later when Bob Ballard for the ship, loe & behold, the aft section was neatly severed from the ship. I guess he was right. He said all German ships built around then were built like that in case they had to scuttle them...
RonaldGordonBrydge 1 year ago
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RonaldGordonBrydge 1 year ago
@RonaldGordonBrydge
My step dads was also in the Britsh Navy at this time & he told me the british wanted to board the Bismarck & dismantle & remove the main gun range finding set up.
RonaldGordonBrydge 1 year ago
There's a hell of a lot of inaccuracy and wishful thinking on these posts. Get your facts right, instead of making them up.
TheRealRedAce 1 year ago
El acorozado giraba en circulos por el disparo de un Sworfhish que habia dado en el timon,fue machado hasta el infinito por los grandes acorazados de la royal navy y recibo una andanada de torpedos del Dorshetshire pero seguia a flote Linndenman dio la orden de abrir las valvulas y hundirlo,No la royal navy!!!
provincianesca 2 years ago
@provincianesca i hope you can understand because my spainsh is bad but here goes! El bismarck se habría hundido incluso si ellos no hubieran desechado el buque. ¿Ha leído usted acerca de la batalla?
pramboy09 2 years ago
not really you cant just pound your way through 3 feet of armor. most likely the shells wouldn't even dent it. even at point blank range where the shells would be the most affective. the bismarck had 18 inch guns when she sank yet reports of her in the yard had her with 22-25 inch guns. her super structure and guns where less armored. but you would have never sunk her body with guns you would ahve needed torpedoes or sea mines.
TheNightrunner666 2 years ago
@TheNightrunner666 You are completly off the mark, naval guns make the most damage if they are plunging not at point blank range. It makes sense, they have more hight to force their way through armour, before detonating, thats what they are designed to do. Also you are completly wrong saying the bismarck had 18 inch guns, only the yamato had 18ich guns. Bismarck had 15 inch guns.
pramboy09 2 years ago
i was sure the bismark had 18's..of course i havent studied her in some years...so your prolly right. but originally she had 25 inch guns and as for plunging them you cant damage the ship by pounding through the top unless the shells are big enough to punch through....with how thick her armor was..its not possible hundreds of hells would be needed and even if that happened the deck would have been void of objects
TheNightrunner666 2 years ago
@TheNightrunner666 The Yamato was the only battleship in world war 2 to have 18 inch guns. British shells were capable of penetrating the bismarck, the prince of wales penetrated her hull causing flooding to her foward section in the first engagement with Hood.
pramboy09 2 years ago
YES I KNOW THE PRINCE OF WHALES DAMAGED THE BISMARCK the point is her forward was lightly armored to keep the bow up out of the water for increased speed and punching through waves. and you'd have to watch some video's where they cleary say that while she was in dry dock she had 25 inch guns. they were removed however because they were destined for something greater aka the turpitz. sadly they the were not put on her either because she was going to get missle tubes to launch V2 rockets from
TheNightrunner666 2 years ago
@TheNightrunner666 All the books i have make no mention of 25 inch guns perhaps you are confused with 25 mm AA guns? If you look at Yamato she had 9 inch decks but was penetrated by bombs from dauntless and helldivers. Considering how a 16 inch shell is more destructive than a armour piecing bomb, it would have only been a matter of time if the british had used plunging gunfire instead of point blank punching holes throught the superstrcture she would have been penetrated.
pramboy09 2 years ago
sorry Nightrunner, Pramboy is correct in stating that Bismarck had 15inch main guns. No ship has ever been built, to my knowledge with "25inch" guns. Even the projected German H class battleships, a super Bismarck was to have 18inch guns. for more info look up the book
"BATTLESHIP BISMARCK"
chloe7829 1 year ago
i never said SHE HAD 25inch guns i said it was RUMORED that in dry dock she had 25 inch guns but they were removed for some fucked up reason i would have to look. and that teh Turpitz had missile tubes for the V2 rocket. however they were not construted on her. and yes i know teh turpits was around before the V2. but teh v2 was planed/concepted
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 i hope you have seen the light and now realise that the germans, british and rest of the world got it right and she had 15 inch guns. i say you got mistaken with 25 mm (millimetre) antiaircraft guns. you ready to agree?
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 i see you have a thing with arguing. so i'll tell you. the bismarck and the turpitz were teh most advanced ships on the water. and she did have 25 inch guns built but were never used. second she wasnt sunk by teh torpedos. she was heavily damaged yes but teh scuttling charges finished her. she was in no danger of sinking from gun fire...she was the largest ship alfoat with come anti sinking countermeasures then you could dream tripple plated bulk heads. automatic doors.
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 Yes i agree, the aa guns on the bismarck were calibrated for faster airccraft, but how dumb is that?? did they not know the RN used swordfish as their torpedo bomber?? Yes scutlling charges just quicken what was always going to happen, the german were worried that she might have been used as a war trophy, they need not have worried.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 no they were not for fast aircraft the plane flew to low to the water. thats how they got close. flying under teh flak not slower then teh guns could rotate they were manual systems and hydraulic ones
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@pramboy09 and she hard armor thick enough on the side to withstand any blast. they only punched shells through her top not her bottom. and the torpedo's did little damage. amd fpr teh guy who said it was because the torpedo planes were so slow the guns were to fast....no the planes were to LOW no ship can fire down at a [plane when they are to close. so just thought i'd add that why are people so stupid everyone has a comment to add but never the right one
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 i will say it again, the only reason the RN didn't penetrate her deck armour later in the battle was that they were too close to bismarck. If they had parked themselves a few miles away and used plunging gunfire they would have caused far more damage. Secondly i have many many books on the bismarck, can you please quote me authors and books of 25inch guns built for bismarck, i still think you are confused with 25MM anti aircraft guns. I would be gratefull.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 i havent seen it any books but i watched it on the history channel. and i tell you again they were never installed they were planned and built never installed because the shells were to large and to heavy for the shell elevator. and no her side armor was thick enough to withstand that. they never punched holes in her side. and they did she her from far off and upclose. she had a range of 15 miles im sure she could fight back
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 For starters the history channel is notorious for getting times, dates, other information wrong, 2nd you are expecting all of us to believe something you think you heard on the history channel?? I have around 10 books on the bismarck from various authors none of them mention 25inch guns, installed or not it would have been an important fact to add. Surly you must have books on the bismarck??I say again the bismarck had 20MM AA guns, you have mixed up inches with millimetres
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 ever seen anything on secret weapons of ww2? well one of them was the 25 INCH i can tell the diff. guns mounted to the bismarck. just like teh turpitz was going to get 6 tubes which would hold V2 missiles. she was going to get 25 inch guns. once again they were constructed NEVER installed never even left the foundry. when it was noticed hey the guns are just TO damn big. and they were scrapped a week after they were built
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 for fuck sake,have you read books or do you just watch history channel and nothing else??,so they build 25 inch guns for bismarck and don't bother to find out first if they will fit or work( i persume in 1940)then say "what do you know they don't fit!", oh well lets scrap them.Yes i would think the germans would have thought of putting V2's as a big launch pad on the tirpitz she wasn't of any other use as a battleship by 1944.All of these ideas were just that but not practical
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 hitler ORDER 25 inch guns. the ship was not built to hold nor house the guns. so with 15 inch guns aready built and the 25 inch guns unable to fit tearing apart the deck and replacing the housings would be to much work so 25 inch guns were scrapped. and for your information my personal library consist of well over 25'000 books. ranging from Ghost ships. that include the bismarck, Titanic,Adrea dora, to secret weapons of WW2. aswell as several ww2 based novel series
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 you need to check out what you have said, you said the guns were built then scrapped, either way there is no reference in all the books on the bismarck i have or website about 25 inch guns. I am still struggling with the logic in what you are saying why would you let alone order 25 inch guns for battleship that already has 15 inch guns and was designed for 15 inch guns, and like i said before the designers themselves would know it was a stupid idea in the first place.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 the damn guns. your thinking the turrets no the GUNS the guns that would be placed in the turrets. were scrapped. because they found that switching the damn shell elevators and the guns themselves would be to damn hard. with no cranes on this ship itself. she had 15 inch guns built but it would have had 25inch ones if the parts were inter changable. and why switch between you think well you dont need a 2900 pound shell to punch through a cargo ship.
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 IM NOT THINKING THE TURRETS,A 15 inch shell is plenty big enough to take out a battleship there is no need to start changing guns around, The sharnhorst, gneinsau and graff spee classes had 11 inch guns to take out merchants, name me the damn show you think you saw and thought you hear there were 25 inch guns, it is more than likely on youtube. But considering every website and every book i have about the design of the bismarck do not mention 25 inch guns i cannot beleive it.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 it doesnt mention them because the fucking ship never had them. t was to be the biggest damn ship in the world with biggest guns the world had ever seen naval anyways i know that 15 inches is big enough. dont ask me why but the fucking thing said she was RUMORED to have been able to carry 25 inch guns which were constructed but due to weight, ammo, and other major technical problems the guns were scrapped or repurposed only a week after finished. look back a few months i say RUMORED
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 You also state that in a earlier post they were built delieved to the docks for instalation this would have never happened!! they would have known well before that it was never going to fucken work!! THEN WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE RUMOUR COME FROM?? BECAUSE NO FUCKEN BOOK OR FUCKEN WEBSITE STATES THIS RUMOUR. AND IF THE ONLY EVIDENCE YOU HAVE IS SOMETHING YOU THINK HEARD ON HISTORY CHANNEL THEN I KNOW IT IS FUCKEN BULLSHIT.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 all there be is rumors. what you want me to fly to berlin and point at a pair of guns and be like bam i was right? the place was BOMBED TO THE GROUND. you say im wrong what ever. say im full o shit. but i know what i heard. their is a reason the ship was said to the biggest guns in the world. and if its not in a book so what. i have read PLENTY about topics that were not in a book about that. like secret weapons of Germany that never mention the flying wing. OR the Me262..komets there
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 you really are a dumb ass, yeah so fucken what the place was burnt to the ground most rumours come from somewhere like an high ranking officiall or designer, which is it?? you tell me that rumour has guns were made and not installed where did the rumour come from it's not a hard question considering you did watch it on television. If you bother to read some books as well as watch television you find many about secret german weapons i have a few myself.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 just a few other points the Horten flying wing was captured by the allies and plans for heavy bombers of the type don't know what book you have, also the 262 and komet were operational in 1944 and 45 respectivily hence the reason they weren't in a secret weapons book because they were of common knowlege to the allies.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 no the komet was in the book. the ME262 and horten flying wing(surprised you know the proper name) were not in the book. but the double Me109 was it was just like the double mustang to mustang with their wings cut off and slapped together with small wings sections between the two planes. and i have never heard of and only 1 or 2 were made and their performance was shit. both crashed shortly after take off
TheNightrunner666 1 year ago
@TheNightrunner666 suprised? why ? i'm into my aircraft more than anything else. The germans got desperate late in the war looking for a way to pull it all back, they also had radio guided bombs they used against naval targets, underground tunnels using slave labour to put together 262's, heavy bombers on the drawing board to bomb the states and may types of swept wing fighters which help the americans and the soviets develop the mig-15 and sabre F-86.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 the americans already had a jet fighter during ww2 but it never saw combat yes we took alot of there jet tech but it didn't help with the design of the F-86 sabre the F-86 was simply a modified P-51 Mustang by modified i mean the design was changed a lil to suit the jet engine what the germans really did for us was missles V-2 really helped us with the ICBMs
jojo51886 1 year ago
@jojo51886 Modified P-51??? i couldn't disagee with you more, the sabre was the first american fighter to take advantage of german swept back wing research every book will tell you that, in fact any website will tell you that. The reason the Mig-15 and F-86 have very similar lines is that both sides had access to german research. I'm not saying the whole design is copied german design, but if you look at some of the german swept back wing designs they had, some look very similar to the sabre.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@jojo51886 i can understand construction techniques would have been used from the mustang but the swept wing and tail surfaces were directly from caputred tech the germans had on swept back wings, the germans had a huge headstart on the rest of the world on the technology as well as streamlining of airframes. L. P. Greene head of the design team got hold of some captured german wind tunnel reports on the advantage of swept back wings and the rest is history.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 hmmm agreed on that i will agree with that those tests on swept wings wouldve been extremely helpful
jojo51886 1 year ago
@pramboy09
your also way of the mark, about Nazi technology, 95% was total garbage,
your assumption about swept back mainplanes being german is wrong.
Consider this, to obtain the dynamics of high speed first you need a Engine that can deliver the Thrust, germany had no such enginne.
the First Nazi jet fighter was so bad it could not manouvre to fire cannon,
it had to approach slow flying bombers laterally to fire simple rockets. after 10 hrs flight it needed a new engine
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree no i am NOT way off the mark, there is something called a wind tunnel where you can see the benefits of certain wing configurations, the germans had seen right back in the late 30's the advantage of swept back wings. when it come's to engines the english were the pioneers of an powerfull reliable jet engine by war's end and the germans were not far behind but being bombed and not having the right materals was against them
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree now the first jet fighter the Me 262 was the first ever in production, it could have been ready in late 1942 if had not been for hitler asking for it to be converted into a fighter bomber. Yes it was not perfect, yes it's engines had a tendinacy to flame out early on ... but it could also do well over 500 mph in 1942 (I would have thought if 262 pilots had problems manouving their cannon i would have thought it would have been because they were flying over 500 mph!!!)
pramboy09 1 year ago
@jojo51886 What non sense about the V2 s they were 1940 technology first usa space ventures 1960s
V2 was so bad it had to be launched from Dutch coast to reach London a mere 47 Kms,
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree im not talking about spacecraft genius im talking about inter continental ballistic missles the V-2 is the grandfather to all of them even if it didnt have a very long range they didnt have the tech we do know
jojo51886 1 year ago
@jojo51886 Read this and Think the V2 was so shitty it could only fly 47 Km
had no means of navigating, no telemetry, and could be destroyed by petrol engined Fighters ie the Typhoon. So 47 Km is not Intercontinental,, it is not even further than a wallmart
USA rocket technology came from the 5000 engineers that worked for NASA s Jet Prop Lab not i german ps it was an American who devised the Maths for Rocket flight,,, 1922 No NAZI
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree read this becouse they didnt have that tech till almost 20 years after the war ended but the V2 design was used to make the nuclear missles we have today and thos 5000 engineers based there work off the V2 cuz all the earliest american missles looked like the V2 until the 60s genius learn ur damn history
jojo51886 1 year ago
@jojo51886 You really are a wanker, by the 1950s the Brits had built Black Knight, a Binary fuel rocket to carry out A Bombs tested and flown in Woomera Australia. that rocket still flies today as Arianne, the ESA Launch rocket, The Krauts could not get anything like near to the Brits in Technology, in fact the Krauts were asked in the 50s to builld with the french, stage 2 & 3 both failed to deliver, Brits sold the rocket to the French Read all about it and Blue Streak,
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree and i never said anything about britain i stated that german missle tech helped america produce ballistic missles that there tech greatly advanced our own jet missle and guided missle tech never said anything about britain. and as for the brits selling the rocket to the french was a horrible idea they wouldnt know what to do with weapons if there life depended on it and it has many times which theyve failed miserably. i give it off to britain they had alot of shit we didnt
jojo51886 1 year ago
@jojo51886 Your another like Pramboy that type total schoolboy bullshit you like him , use words like greatly advanced !!! Name One Hi tech advancement, that was not known before 1935 but was after 1945 that was of German original thought !!!
You Shit about the French is Shit Bias the French launch the rockets that allow the USA to put satellite and other vehicles into Space because currently the USA cannot not, last launch was within last 3 months
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree School boy?? you agrogant dipshit, One high tech advancement? radio guided missile, Balistic missiles, ejector seat, swept back wing designs, the assault rifle, the x-4 air to air missile they enough for you or should i go on?
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 What Total shite !
The krauts could hardly understand Vhf let alone telemetry ? missiles carrying explosive was in use since the 19th Cent, and prior to that the Chinese 200 years ago Ejector seats my Arse 174 Nazi Pilots died trying to land early jets
thats one hundred and seventy four, Killed try to land. what is an Assult Rifle ?
who would use one ? 39-45 ? You Pratt on about a swept back wing it was well known about as every Flight Fin is swept back,,,, but in 1940
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfreeThe first Ejector seat if you fucken bother to read anything you ignorant fuck was installed in the Dornier Do-355 Pfiel,it did work but not like today's models.Of course which you seem to forget anything that is cutting edge and right on the boarder line of what is possible in the 1940's is a allot easier when technology moves on, but it was again the way of the future.Why did so many pilot die landing first generation jets? for the same reason many test pilots died in the 1950's
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 The Nazi never had an aircraft that could carry a Missile of the type available 1n the 30s/40s, In fact the Nazi could not build a 4 engine bomber, that could carry a bomb payload. the most powerful bomber of that age was the Lancaster,
I have given you books to read on Nazi aircraft , esp on their future weapons, written by an Yank Redneck or some Col Blimp of the uk NO,, written by W Messerschimdts grandson, about the bullshit that went down in the Nazi Air Ministry, 1933-43
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree your wrong, look up the henschel Hs 293 it could be carried by any number of medium bombers the germans had. It sunk and damaged many allied ships from 1942.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09
laser is also not radio guidance
LASER = Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission Radiation,
a high power focussed light source.
PS the Brits had patented the Jet engine 6 years before any German could produce a schematic of 1, also if you read von Brauns Auto biography he admits freely he got all his workings from an American Engineer, who published his Maths findings in the 1920s.
Sorry to have just, Pissed on your Pretzels !!
I am neither naive, nor a bullshitter,
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree I never said the germans had better jet engine technology it is common knowledge the british jet engines were supeior. But.. their airframes were not, the germans had done alot of wind tunnel research and had some very advanced designs on the design table, the chief designer of the F-86 freely admitted he used german wind tunnel research in the design. It took 4 yrs after the war to get a jet fighter faster than the 262.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree now back to the radio guided bomb, you seem to either refuse to believe one existed, refuse to believe the germans could do it, or refuse to believe it worked?? How about you bother to look at a WORKABLE EXAMPLE (Henschel Hs 293) It had a big disadvantage though being radio guided the signal could be easily jammed if seen during launch. But the weapon did exist it did work and sunk many ships if you bothered to read a few books you might see that.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree On Sept. 9, 1943 German bombers using guided bombs sank the Italian battleship Roma. 2 bombs hit the Roma, guided by the bombadiers in their respective planes. The ship had been the victim of a Ruhrstahl FX-1400 radio-controlled glide bomb, also known as the Fritz-X or PC 1400 X. It weighed 3,450 lbs., and had a 661-lb. warhead. Meant for use against ships,it was visually guided by the bombardier on either a Heinkel HE-111 or Dornier DO-217 bomber -- both two-engined planes.
catfather11 1 year ago
@catfather11 The Royal Navy ,, sank a whole Italian Fleet at anchor, using air launched torpedo bombs,
Guidance system. 1 pair of human Eyes/ bomber sucess ? Very !
same R N issued Eyes and Balls, crippled, Bismark,
who owned the Eyes and Balls Lt J Moffat R N and his navigator
all bombs are visually launched
Greatest sucess Sinking of Tirpitz by 1 Bomb ! from a Lancaster, bomb name
Fatboy! weight 10,000 lbs
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree Of course von Braun would have used some resarch already done on rocket motors to start his own work every inventor does, the germans had a working balistic missilie we were years behind, why the hell did the allies chase so hard for his team after the war if he had nothing to offer??
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 only those that had no real engineering knowledge of rockets chased the German team, those that did understand, the reallity of rocket weapons, did not bother, knowing that there is more to rockets than just Science,
it means Logistics, in terms of Fuel, and telemetry known of this was understood by Germany
There is No point in even building a fast jet fighter, if you have No runways, or fuel to power these Engines, and evn tho you have you have not the flight control
for Guns
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree What are you talking about??? They chased german rocket scientists because they had knowledge and know how to build a workable balistic missile something the allies could not do. Have you heard of the redstone rocket?? It was the first american balstic missile which was based on the V-2 who designed it?? Von braun and his team. This same rocket was used to put the first american sataleite into space.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Think of it this way, to win a F1 race you need a F1 Car and 1 Driver !
But you also need teams of Engineers at both the factory and race level to keep on evolving the technology, tyres, fuel electronics, transport, training of these people, and you need Millions and Millions of Dollars
F1 car not a single engineering, event, but an ochestrra, of Expertise in harmony
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree "There is No point in even building a fast jet fighter, if you have No runways, or fuel to power these Engines, and evn tho you have you have not the flight control for Guns" I don't think any jet fighter designer in germany during the war would thought they would be over run and being bombed day and night in 43-45 don't you think? So i would have thought a fighter that was faster than anything else would have been quite valuable, but not to you obviously.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 I have lived and worked in Germany and the USA my background is Avionics,
I worked for Rockwell-Collins in the early days of the B1 Bomber, I also worked for 1 of Germanys leading, military systems integrator aka systembau, so am I a memeber of the flat earth scty ? I have forgotten more engineering than I presume you could ever learn.
How ever this convo stops here.
As you seem to prefer Fantasy, to facts
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree For someone that thinks he worked on the B-1 and worked on leading military systems you have never heard of radio guided missile? I gave you an example of a FACTUAL WORKING example which you said was impossible, you believe there was no german high tech during ww2 but seem to forget that the soviets and the west scrambled for german rocket scientists and jet aircraft deisgners after the war, either you are a naieve so called expert in avonics or just full of shit.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Simple Science basiics !! Germany had no working VHF good enough for guidance, that belonged to the Americans/Brits with what is known as Loran then Loran C this does not guide anything, It does set up a Parabolic Paraboloid, allowing precise navigation to a Target, using Master and slave transmissions the Higher the Fqys the greater the accuracy of being within a Null point.
Germany did try, accurate navigation using radio Transmissions, 1 Master Germany one slave Tx in Poland
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 This system was code named Dogs-leg, and used HF Fqys
Its trial target was Rosyth docks UK on 2nd day of WW2, the Luftwaffe Bomber carrying this equipment, was shot down before, reaching its Target, and of course the Brits recovered the Radio Receivers aboard.
Subsquent analysis of the working componants, by Prf Jones, Science advisor to Churchill alerted the Brits to what Nazi technology was current.
to guide a Bomb you need Antennas to recieve a signal you need more than one
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree but i can't ignore the advances the germans achieved as well, why are you so incredibly one dimensional with praise?? I know the nazis did some fucken horrible things and quite honesly got what they deserved, But not all of them were crazy nazis, i can quote many pilots, captains and designers that hated hitler. I am someone that can admire designs, ideas and technology from either side, sad you can't.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 You must not confuse Germans and NAZI s
I do not think you have read the factual books on Nazi aircraft design, not by a Brit but by a German, Willie Messerschimdts grandson, The Nazi Party were not the Technical Font of knowledge, that has been protrayed, far from it.
Senior members of the Party rose to be senior, due to their Total Ignorance of Technology esp in the Nazi Air Ministry, money was handed out, for any second rate Idea, to achieve Air Dominance,
with No checks/balances
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Cont ,
during the mid to late 30s there was internal strife in the Nazi Air Min, so stupidity reigned, ex why try and create a new Jet Engine when one had already been inventented, and patented 6 years earlier.
No one in Germany understood the power of electronics or what it could achieve
thats why, the Brits allowed the deaths of cities to protect, their Ultra, and cover up the fact that the Med was totally under uk Control due to electronics,
The Kriegsmarine lost 75% of all subs
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Rommel was beaten not due to Tank technology, but due to being able to know what he was thinking before Hitler did,
it was not until the 1990 s when Brit Records became avail was the extent, of both arrogance and stupidity of the Kriegsmarine and the Luftwaffe was known
Why did,Germany seem big in Science,
Simple, the Americans had to lie, to cover up their lack of capability prior to 1945
AGAIN let me clarify, the USA could out produce anyone, exmp >> Cargo ship built in 48 hours
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 1 thing more ! the V2 was Not Guided it had a flight duration of only 70 Miles, it was a Dinosauer compared what was built and Tested at Woomera
Australia, then became known as Arienne,
To launch the V2 it had to be taken to Peenemunde in Holland to achieve E Channel Transition.
Try reading !! Last Talons of the Eagle,
or German design, 1933- 1945,
By experts the # 1 Nazi design was the 4000 series Locomotive worst design the Tiger Tank
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree i never said the v-2 was guided!! but later models were, it was used at first by the americans, soviets and british before moving on their own tangents.
"You must not confuse Germans and NAZI s" i haven't!! that was the point i was making. Yes i am quite aware how much the americans could produce, that was one of the reasons the war was won, but it certianly helps when you aren't being bombed every day!
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 The Brits never used the V2 or its fuel type it was never used either by the Ameicans V2 technology 1930s Saturn technology 1960s
a big fuckin Gap also the Soviets, practically reinvented the Bi digital fuel for their rockets.
It is apperant your floundering around here, with little grasp of the situation in 1930s or 40s,
So Please I have no wish to spend any more time addressing the False issues,
you proclaim. it ends now
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree like i mentioned before Von Braun went to work for the US Army's Redstone Arsenal, He then worked on, Jupiter, Jupiter-C, Pershing, and Saturn rockets. Like it or not the V-2 was the pioneering rocket used first by the yanks and the soviets. Of fucken course there was changes from the original design after the war.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree How much Russian dick do you suck stupid asshole?
Purplecatsoup30 1 year ago
@Purplecatsoup30 Not enough ! how about you ??
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree Not much. Do you have the AIDS yet? You know, the GAY disease???
Purplecatsoup30 1 year ago
@Purplecatsoup30 Your a Candian according to your Profile ! are you aware the first recorded case of AIDS, was that of a Canadian, Canada Air Steward, back from a trip to Africa ! Yup First Gay to contact aids a Candian Guy who took it up the Arse, maybe from a Chimpanzee who knows, it is widely known, how much, canadian males, enjoy getting Humped by other men,or primates
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree also the info i have says the v-2 had an operational range of 200 miles.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree You seem to refuse to give any credit to any german design, you denied the germans had a radio guided bomb, when i give you an example of one you put your fucken head in the sand and still refuse that it worked or existed!! You then refuse to give any credit to german jet design by saying just because they were losing the war they were useless, what the fuck has got to do with the aircraft? I will also remind you that it was YOU that started this agrument again, bye bye!
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 You do not understand basic science if you remain convinced, that in the years of WW2 a bomb could be guided by a radio signal,
what would propel this falling projectile ? what would this bomb react to ? and how ? and at what speed, and how could it be determined that a change in any flight parameters had been effected.
The Luftwaffe on the out break of ww2 a Bomber Guidance system named Dogs- leg regretabley this Luftwaffe Bomber was shot down 2 nd day of WW2 over the Pentland Hills
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree not you again, i'm not going to waste my time explaining it yet again to you just look it up for yourself it's called the Henschel Hs 293.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 I have read your HS 293 technical parameters, I think you should do the same, do not confuse a glide weapon as a bomb the Hs 293 was a very simple airlaunched missile albeit with mainplane stubs it had NO terminal guidance system, nor could it aquire a target on its own, its simple ailerons could be adjusted by using actuators responding to the stepping motion of a signal But only effective if the Mother ship maintained same course,
Its success, was in its deployment, It was Not !
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree i didn't say it could aquire at target by itself, christ it was designed in the 1930's!! Like i have said sooo many times it was radio guided (it had a rocket motor slung under it's belly) but using the mothership to remote control it to it's target using a radio wave hence a RADIO GUIDED MISSILE. Successful? not as they would have liked, the mother ship was very vunerable to aa and fighter damage, it did though sink quite a few ships and badly damaged others. which i will list for you
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 HMS Egret,HMCS Athabaskan (severely damaged),HMHS Newfoundland (severely damaged),SS Bushrod Washington sunk,HMS Dulverton severely damaged,HMS Jervis badly damaged, HMS Janus sunk, SS Samuel Huntington sunk ,HMS Spartan sunk, USS Herbert C Jones badly damaged,SS Elihu Yale sunk,HMS Inglefield sunk, USS Lansdale sunk,HMS Lawford sunk,USS Meredith sunk,HMCS Matane badly damaged.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 How many of the ships were stationary when hit by a airlaunched Bomb ? certainly some were on defence picket duty much the same as Sheffield was in the S Atlantic so any type of bombardment could have been equally destructive.
the above is a handful of ships sunk or damaged during 6 years of conflict, compare that to, 75% of the Kreigsmaine Sunk esp Subs by Feb 1942 ( battle of the Atlantic ) and it would incorrect of me to say the RN had super weapons. German guided sysytems Cont
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree ships hit were convoy ships so yes they were trying to avoid them (you could bother to read about it yourself!) the missile was used from 1941 if you had bothered to read, and like i have already said it wasn't a huge sucess, i never said it was!!! , the arguement was the missile itself you refused to believe it existed, it did, end of story.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 No I did Not disbelieve that such a weapon existed, I Disagreed with your premis this was some Engineeering wonder ! it was not, also I tried to clarify, the common consent as to what a Radio guided Bomb could and not do.
I think you will also find I made little refernce toV2s I see others did.
The V2 was a true ballistic missile, as it fulfilled a true trajectory, as would any ball ammo being fired from , cannon, rifle etc, the Glide missile is Not ! it depended on gravity to launch
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Cont:
really came into being with the V2 navigation was with simple space gyros, and active fins within the V2 for flight control on take of was via radio now known as Telemetry,( line of sight, telemetery,, this means No over the Horizon control, telemetry in truth even the V2 only had variable fins via electric actuators, and this wasd all von Braun brought to guided missiles, V2 s range was not fuel control, but by gyro, lapsed time made the Gyros topple gravity then took over
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree Why the fuck are you bring up the v-2 again? i never said it had navigational control, the main point months ago, was the germans had a working balistic missile which we did not have at the time we wanted it, america got it and von braun and the rest is history.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09
did you include roma and warspite?
notsureyou 11 months ago
@notsureyou they were hit by a different weapon the fritz-x which was purely a glidebomb i was talking about the Henschel Hs 293.
pramboy09 11 months ago
@pramboy09
my bad, i thought you were mentioning warships that were sunk/damaged by all guided munitions :)
notsureyou 11 months ago
@notsureyou no worries
pramboy09 11 months ago
@pramboy09 Cont : To get Radio bearings you need more than 1 antenna the difference in distance between HF Antennas allows better D F, to find out the length of each antenna use the Formulae L= C devided by F
L =lambda length of a antenna, C= Speed of Light F= the Fqy of the carrier transmitted, in the days of WW2 this would mean a bomb having, min 2 antenna s each side, the length of a B 17 Bomber.
Science wins ! myths Shot down,
It was the Brits, that used "Picalo " a Fqy jumping
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree the other thing you need to realise is that i don't just read about german advances but all countries and i LIKE TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE, i admire the british for their home defence radar during the battle of britain (which many of my countryman flew, new zealanders), also the sheer genius of the spitfire and de havilland mosquito, and later the steam catapault and the angled deck of the carriers. Not to mention the T-34, P-51, Yak -3 of the all allied nations.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Radio tx/rx for their embassys ,
It was Not until 1970 did this technology become Mobile due to Cct Integration,
and was used by Brit army to Null IRA terrorists listening, Code named
Ptarmigan, after a brit bird that changes its feathers to suit climate background colour Where did I work on B1 ? Cedar Rapids, Iowa for ?? Rockwell PS First use of Transponders to guide Smart Bombs Baghdad , Gulf 1
transponders placed on Target by hand, by the SAS later,,,Laser guided
keirfree 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Nearly. First ejector seat was fitted in the HE 219 UHU(1942) and also the HE 162. The first use in an emergeancy was from an HE 280.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner yes that model didn't work to well considering when it was trialed it had a nasty habit of leaving the arms of the pilot behind.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Can't have it all ways lol.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@pramboy09 Cont : a slow heavy round like the 7.62 mm is useless in jungle warfare it has limited infantry use as it too heavy to carry ( relative) and difficult to fire in close urban warfare such as Iraq/ Afghanistan today
Small Calibre high Velocity ammo, developed by the USA 1960 s and brought into service using modern composite plastics is now the Norm. you will find it was the Allies that introduced air launched missiles (rockets ),
Tell me how do guide a missile once out of sight ?
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree The missile was never out of sight, it was released by a bomber and guided to it's target by radio waves, this wasn't as successfull as required because jamming radio waves is quite easy but it became a game of cat and mouse finding out which bomber was going for what target. With the allies and germans in that field. This sort of technology was the forerunner to what we have today with laser guided missiles or bombs ie. paveway
pramboy09 1 year ago
@pramboy09 You also Know little of WW2 you state it was by 1943 it was going pear shape for the Nazis READ
1941 Luftwaffe shot out of the Skies Bob ended sept 1941
1942 Feb saw the end of The Battle of the Atlantic, 75% of surface and sub surface boats of the Kreigsmarine Sunk.
Rommel and His Afrika Korps chased out of Afrika 1942 by then the R N had sunk the Italian Fleet and the French Fleet and blown up on land 50% of Luftwaffe by SAS
Nazis taken in Greece,
so Your 1943 ???
keirfree 1 year ago
@keirfree listen you dumb arogant fuck, how many nations had a workable ballistic missile dickhead??? how many countries had ON PAPER designs that were possible to break the sound barrier where the fuck did the soviets, british and ameircans get alot of their wind tunnel information from??? Let me give you a history lesson fuckwit in 1941 germany was still advancing they had captured crete and into north africa and were almost had all of USSR, by 1943 they were being pushed back.
pramboy09 1 year ago
@keirfree it's funny really, i am far more pro-british than i was ever pro-american when it comes to technology and foward thinking, but you remind me of a red-necked american that hasn't bothered to read about both sides, and when you have, you refuse to even acknowldege anything the "bad guys" have done might be slightly better than the rest. I have lived in e