Elizabeth Ficocelli Conversion Story

[tomb1954]

What truths have they thrown out to have their version of Christ centered? Do they have the Church he started? (or what they think Christ meant his church to be?). Reading ECF points to the name of his church as does the Apostle creed but I image you ingore this old early Christian creed since it does not match what you what Christ Church to be. Yes he draws all to him but how many answer his call as he wants them to and not their own version of it?

[tomb1954]

If the CC was not Christ based we would not have preserved the Bible or clarified what scriptures in the early church were inspired. We would not offer the pure sacrifice of the new Passover (Mal 1:11) We would not follow Christ's command to convert all the world to Christ which the CC did and does. Remember before 1300/1400 there were no Protestant churches in the world at all so Protestantism is a fairly new thing in Christendom.

[tomb1954]

No Mormons do not but you never said that in your post as an essential or that it was even an option so as you see I can misintrepret your meaning when I do not have all the facts. Yes you have your church but how much truth does it contain? You do not know because you do not search but if you find Christ there I am glad for you. The CC promotes Christ but then your comment does show you really never knew what the CC teaches or promotes.

[tomb1954]

While it teaches what you stated it teaches more but you stated a minimalist believe so it is easy to say yes I believe that. I also believe Jesus started a Church with the Apostle as leaders (so an institution and not random believers) and he said he will be with them always so these leader must have successors and this church is the pillar and foundation of truth. All in the bible (even in yours)

[tomb1954]

You say baptism is an non esstial but the bible says the exact opposite so how do you know your interpretation is right? How is your right and the person next to you wrong they are reading the same bible and the same words. You based your interpretation only on 20th century knowledge because you refuse to study what theECF and the Apostle actually say. I reread your post in it says what I interpreted it to say. You said you were in unity with those that believe what you stated and the CC does.

[tomb1954]

Titus 3,10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them (NIV) == divisive= creating disunity A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: (DR) Bible said church holds the truth =But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth (1Tim3 KJ) I can give more if you want to go on.

[tomb1954]

Yes there is disunity because you all believe different things and the HS does not teach chaos but teaches unity. Or if you like from the bible itself says you are wrong Titus 3 "If anyone promotes sects in the church, warn him once and then a second time. If he still continues, break with him,"

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[tomb1954]

I will say as the CC teaches Christ is our salvation but the bible also shows he did not leave us alone but gave us the Apostles as leaders of His Church which he established (Matt16:18 and Church not churches) to keep us from disunity because the HS leads his church so let us see the definition of disunity = a lack of unity within a group, especially one caused by a disagreement or a difference of opinion. next

[tomb1954]

I'm a Catholic, pure and simple (though hopefuly not too simple) -- and have been, ever since my conversion from Protestantism 21 years ago, by a miracle of God's grace. I love the Catholic Faith and wish only to profess it in all its purity and fullness.(apologist Gerry Matatics) EX Catholic? While he has disagreements with the Catholic Church since Vat 2 it looks like he is doing it while trying to hold his Catholic beliefs and is not Protestant but he maybe considered a"sedevacantism",

[tomb1954]

While you say Luther won look at history Luther did not fix anything he found wrong in the church and only made more problems as he started the disunity of all Christendom. If he had worked from within the church like St Francis did then he might have been more than a person who caused the watering down of the Christian faith to the minimum of just the so called essentials that no one can agree on.

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 There isn't disunity, a different denomination isn't a different religion...we are flawed people, that's why we don't believe in a pope, because his word isn't an authority over what God says...but we know that those different denominations are our brothers in sisters in Christ because of who they put their faith in for salvation..it's in Christ, not a church...Besides that, the body of Christ, his believers are many parts,,,they aren't all the same.

[tomb1954]

@shanana000 So you say there these different Protestant denomination as not different religions? One believes you do not need to be Baptize another says you do (as the bible also says), On believes in the Trinity but several others do not (is this different?) One says Jesus is not God while another Protestant denomination says he is (is this different or the same?) The body of Christ is not dismembered but as a living body is in unity with the head Jesus and his earthly ministers (Bishops) next

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 name those that your referring to.



[tomb1954]

@shanana000 Are you referring to the bible verses against disunity and for the Church or all the Protestant churches with different beliefs?

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 you don't need to name any of them...here's the standard you need to follow, it's what the apostles taught...people had to believe in Christ, then be baptized, that there is the Godhead of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. And that Jesus is God...so if anyone teaches anything other then this, then they aren't a different denomination, but a different religion...so your confusing what I said...because if a different denomination does beleive these things, then yes we are in unity.

[tomb1954]

@shanana000 No I was not confused but I can only understand you by what you said here in this little space. Based on what you said right here then you admit a fair amount of your Protestant denomination brothers and sisters are in disunity then because they are different religions. You are also saying based on your diffinition right here that you are in unity with the Catholic Church because all Catholic believe what you stated. Ours just goes deeper in what Jesus and the Apostle taught.

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 Please reread what I wrote and study it and think about it...by no means am i in unity with the gospel of the RCC...I compare prots and rc's like this, we might use the same biblical words but they have different meanings. as for being in disunity with others, means they aren't my bros and sis. They like the RCC are preaching a different gospel...now don't confuse that with us that have the biblical gospel being in disagreement on other non esentials for salvation...like baptism.

[tomb1954]

@shanana000 I figured you would say that but based on your definition you also are in unity with the Mormons. I also would like to know who made you judge on what is essential in the Protestant faith that has to be believed to be true. One teaching of the Protestant faith is that you can interpret the bible yourself and therefore can believe what you think it says and you are Christian. Sorry but that is a Protestant teaching. Hymeneus also believed what you stated and Paul kicked him out.

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 Mormons don't believe Christ is their saviour...lol. And I don't need your church, I have my own to teach me...We study the Bible, words have meanings....I would never say I understand everything there is to know in the Bible,,,no one does,,,not even all your many different popes....God is all knowing...but this i do know, prots promote Christ...RC's promote church....and i know enough that if Christ be lifted up He will draw all men unto Him..i go were i recieved Christ, sold Rock!

[shanana000]

I would like for TBN, or CBN or INSP have a show like this, telling of all the catholics that converted to findind Christ in the protestant faith. I would love it! My family alone would fill up a month of shows on our conversion.

[tomb1954]

@shanana000 Yes many Catholic do not know their faith and do not know what they have or had in the church. It is better that they go to a Protestant church if it will bring them closer to God but I know of many that make their way back if they start learning the christian faith and with an open mind look and rad what the early christian believed and what Church they trusted in. I am sure there are some shows like what you talk about but I have not seen many lately.

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 Sorry, but we've heard that before...and if you check it out..you'd find all kinds of early church fathers that disagreed the RC way. But what your taught about are the ones that support your church...so that right there is deception. Your not presenting both sides of the coin... Dig deeper, real deep. Luther did, but lived to tell about it......also, there are all kinds of DVD debates you can purchase between Prots and RC's. I've heard both sides, and still a Protestant.

[shanana000]

@tomb1954 And one more thing, a lot of these people are better known as church hoppers..the hop around to more then one faith in their lifetime...and they always never stay in the RCC either. To name one prominant person is Ex Catholic apologist Gerry Matatics...Here he was an apologist defending the RCC(with all his so called early church proof) and now he's not even a RC anymore. When it is scrutinized it doesn't hold water. That's why Luther won. Truth prevailed

[tomb1954]

@shanana000 You are right there are some ECF that disagreed with the RC way in some areas but they also name the church which is true and it was Catholic. And i will agree many Protestants are better debaters than Catholic since they have had to prove to themselves that they are right and the 2000 yr Catholic faith is wrong so they can feel better about their choice. So be it.

[tomb1954]

Well christian333faith stop talking after his last post but I did want to answer one question he had at the end. He asked why we still need priest. 1st off while the old covenant is done the new one is not and Jesus gave us instruction to "do this in remembrance of me" Thus the fulfilled Passover meal which is a sacrificial meal as the 1st Passover was but also our spirit is fed with this food as John 6 tells us. So Priest are needed to assist us in offering the sacrifice in union here on earth

[tomb1954]

wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110). Ignatius taught by Peter (made a bishop by Peter) and Paul

[tomb1954]

15 In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout the shoot of righteousness from David's line; …

17 For Yahweh says, "David will never be without a descendant seated on the throne of Israel,

18 nor will the priests and Levites be left without descendants to stand before me and to present burnt offerings, grain offerings and sacrifices."

Jer 33:18

If Jesus is the King of the new Davidic Kingdom then there will be priest and Levites that two are tied together. So is Jesus King Y or N

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 WHY IS thERE A CHANGE OF COVENANt?? WHY DID GOD REPLACE the priest to JESuS??? because the priest are an imperfect covenant..... HeBrews 7:17-25,,,,

Did God really left us with out a priest as he appointed pastors?eph4:11,. No! mat 21:9. mark 11:9-10, Did Jesus not fulfilled the JEr 33:18?? JESUS is fulfilling it because he lives forever HEbrew 7:15-18,, Your priest is anulled, the former covenant was changed by a greater covenant

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Again you show your lack of knowledge of what the early Christians believed but I will bypass that for now. Heb 7 17-25 shows Jesus is the High Priest. For your information if he is the high priest then it means there are other priests like it was in the Davidic Kingdom which he renewed (fulfilled) (Matt 5:17). And no Jesus does not fulfill Jer 33:18 because Jesus is not more than one but is THE High Priest not priests or Levites.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith As you can see the verse is talking plural in priests and Levites so it can’t be talking about Jesus so there has to be a new priesthood in union with the new High Priest(order of Melchizedek). They will proclaim my glory among the nations... Then I will choose priests and Levites even from them, says Yahweh (Is 66; 19-21)

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Again, prophecy of making priests and Levites for the new covenant so your fallible interpretation is wrong as is usually the case when history and knowledge of the Jews and early Christians are ignored. The old Jewish priesthood was annulled (which is why there are no more Jewish priest) and new priests and Levites under the new High Priest has replaced it so the prophecies was fulfilled. (Matt 5:17) --

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith which is what he came to do including Jer 33. So I ask again where are the priests in your church? The bible says Jesus earthly Kingdom (His Body the Church) will have priests.

[tomb1954]

Actually Protestant attack the Catholic Church everyday look at some of the post below and the hate shown there against the CC. Most Catholic on this show do not bash their Protestant roots but are in fact thankful for what truths they got from these faiths but they come to the CC because they find out it has the whole truth and is the only one that completely agrees with scripture and the early church. The ECFs point to the CC and actually call it by name.

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 IF YOU WILL NOT REPENT AND IN TRUST JESUS TRUTHFULLY AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR YOU WILL DIE,,,,, I AM TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE....

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Look at 2 Tim 2 as you can see Hymeneus believed in Jesus as his savior because he was a follower of St. Paul's for awhile but then Paul states they strayed from the truth so can you explain if they did what you said then why did Paul deliver him over to Satan 1Tim 1. You must know the whole truth as taught by the Apostles and explained by their followers the ECFs. Have you ever read the early Church Fathers? Maybe you should start there.

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 .... So you have many gods?the church fathers? you depend on church fathers as your interpreter???? DO YOU CONDEMN JESUS CHRIST????Do you not believe that salvation comes from repenting and believing in JESUS ChrisT? John 3:10- 21... when the day of judgement comes you will be liable of your own MOUTH.., ROMANS 10:5-9 ,, BLIND PEOPLE EVEN PAUL REFUTES YOU....

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So you depend on a minster of the 20th century for your interpretor or do you with your lack of knowledge of the early christians (which the ECF were) do it all by yourself and know you have it all right. SO I will ask again since Hymeneus beliefed what you believe (salvation comes from repenting and believing in JESUS) why did Paul give him over to Satan? BLIND PEOPLE EVEN PAUL REFUTES YOU....

1Tim1 & 2Tim 2

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 HAve you not read 2 tim 2:15-16 hymaneus was teaching foolish discussions that is not on the way of the truth, they strayed from the faith. this is what paul is teaching to his churches romans 10:8-9, this is what they are preaching to believe and repent, mark 1:15, this is the message of faith,, if you still follow your foolish teachings like what hymaneus did you will suffer, in trust Jesus and repent, Or i tell you hell is not a Joke. REad this so romans 2:5, if you really love God

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 2 Tim 2:15-16--- IF you ARE UNteachable you condemn yourself.. HYmaneus was not handed over to satan because he only believed and repented but because he strayed from the faith and he was teaching foolish discussions like you are doing right now.. BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS AND REPENT OR ELSE YOU WILL SUFFER IN HELL...ROMANS 2:5,,

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Well let see what it really says then. It says Hymaneus was saying the the Resurrection already came so to belive this he must have 1st believed in Jesus, 2nd believed Jesus rose from the dead, 3rd Repented and was baptized 4th believed what he wanted and not what the church was teaching. I would say he fits exactly what you say you believe so how do you know you have not strayed? How do you know your interpretation is right? Because you say it is?

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So if Hymaneus fit what you say we must believe but he still strayed how did he stray if he at least believed what you say he needed to believe to be saved. What Paul said he believed many Protestants would say is a non- essential. So let us se what Roamns says -- so you know I know what it says even though you think I do not

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 READ THE INSTRUCTION OF PAUL.. ROMANS 10:8-9,, THIS IS THE TRUE MESSAGE OF FAITH... SO IF YOU WLL NOT BELIEVE THIS YOU ARE CONDEMNING JESUS CHRIST,, mARK 1:15,, yoU CANNOT COME To GOD unless God makes it possible for you to come to him... IF YOU DONOT DEPEND ON THE BIBLE ALONE YOU WILL BE IN HELL, REV 22:18, GAL 1:8

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Romans 10 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

So if Hymaneus believed in Jesus (which he had to to believe what he believed) and he aslo believed Jesus rose (again his strayed beliefs proves this). So again Why is he different from you?

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 you believe in the bible right? MARY IS THE CO-MEDIATrIX OF ALL GRACeS? are you making yourself god to add something in the bible? REV 22:18 again please read,,, SEE WHAT FALSE YOUR TRADITION IS TRYING TO MAKE YOU BLIND...

[ultimouomo11]

@christian333faith "Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you." (1 Corinthians 11:2). "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, EITHER by word, or by our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2:15). ""Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete" (2 John 12).

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Since you are again only repeating what you heard from others you again show you no nothing about what the Catholic Church actually teaches and the history behind it. Read book from Catholic like Scott Hahn if you really wish to understand what the church teaches as this space is too little to explain things based on the OT and what the early christians believed which you refuse to research.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So why does not your church have priest that offer a sacrifice unto God has the Bible says will happen when the Davedic Kingdom is re-established? (Jer 33 & mal 1:11) This was the sin of Hymaneus as Paul states While he believed in Jesus and the resurrection he was picking and choosing and not believing all what the Church was teaching (the Apostles). All Protestants and more than a few people who call themselves Catholic do this. They interpret in their own view.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith One more question was Paul saved then? He did not believe in the Bible alone, (2 Thess 3,6;2,15; 1Cor 11) in fact the NT did not even exist then so based on your beliefs Paul could not have been saved because he did not rely on your bible alone so he must have gone to hell by your post. So what are you missing if your beliefs would put St Paul in Hell?

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 what is pauls tradition if you are not blinded? acts 16:30,, this is the teaching that paul instructed. you are inaccurately representing the bible alone.we are not saved because we believe in the bible alone, but by believeng in the Lord Jesus, YOUR TRADITION DOES NOT EVEN HERE STATED BIBLICALLY,YOU ARE WONDERING IN THE DESERT WITH NO PROOF. SO WERE DID YOU GET YOUR FOOLISH DOCTRINES?ROMANS 10:5-9 YOU DONT BELIEVE THIS?PAUL BELIEVED THIS! GOD WILL CONDEMN YOUR MOUTH IN HIS DAY

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Let see you say you believe in the Bible alone let see what the bible says about that 1Cor11 -- hold fast to the traditions I handed on to you; 2Thess 2 - Hold fast to traditions, whether oral or written, John 21 But Jesus did many other things; if all were written down, the world itself would not hold the books recording them. so Not everything Jesus said or did is recorded in scriptures. Guess the bible you believe in does not agree with you. So what else do you have wrong?

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 PSALMS 12:6-7 that GOd will preserve his books even if there are so called 50 gospel circulation..... WILL GOD NOT ALLOW ALL TO BE WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE ALL HE WANTS US TO KNOW? 1 COR 14:33 SO YOU ARE TELLING ME RIGHT NOW THAT GOD CANNOT PRESERVE HIS WRITINGS AND WHAT HE COMMANDS US RIGHT?try to see the old testament even a single detail was written...

[ultimouomo11]

@christian333faith Right, "For God is not the God of dissension ( 1 Corinthians 14:33)." What does God's word tell you? "What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim 1:13). Even if those traditions were not written down (2 Thessalonians 2:15) (1 Corinthians 11:2). To be subject to the authority of the Church (Hebrews 13:17) because the word of God proclaims that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim 3:15).

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Yes I am telling you he did preserve his writings and He did this by the Church the bible said he started and this can and is proven to be the catholic church. Even Protestant scholars admit this. The only people that senie it are those who do not research anything and take the word of other just as they take their word on what the bible says and what the early christians believed and never find out on their own.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So why do you not believe what the bible says? Do you offer a pure sacrifice to the father like the bible says believers will do during the time of the gentiles?

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith If you want to know about the doctrine of the Catholic church and where it came from you will have to read what was written by those who were disciples of the Apostles as they wrote what the Apostle taught them. If you do not know what the earliest Christians actually believed then how do you really know what was taught expect by what you think it should have been by your 20th century thinking.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So what does the bible that you say you believe in say about being saved? "By the grace of God you have been saved through faith. This has not come from you: it is God's gift."

- Ephesians 2,8

"By that Gospel you are saved, provided that you hold to it as I preached it. Otherwise, you will have believed in vain." - 1 Corinthians 15,2 That I peached hmm how do you know from only your own 20th century interpretation? will continue this in next post

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So now belief in the bible alone -- what happened to the Apostles and the Christians of the 1st 350 years since the NT did not exist as we have it today? There were about 50 different gospels in circulation by 300 AD and this was only with the gospels there were many more writings claiming to be from the Apostles and jesus. Who told them which were the right ones? You might want to check on this as I can assume by what you said that you do not know this fact.

[christian333faith]

will God not state here in the bible everything as he is not the God of confusion???? SO if God did not established your belief here then why should you follow? are to blind to see the gospel?? GOD LOVED THE WORLD WHY WONT HE SAY THAT THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE IS THE TRUE DOCTRINE? WHY SHOULD GOD NOT STATE IN THE BIBLE THAT WE SHOULD ACQUIRE CATHOLIC DOCTRINES AND TRADITION? ARE YOU NOW PROVING TO ME THAT GOD LACKS SOMETHING IN HIS OWN WORDS???

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith I believe in the whole bible and I know history of the bible which it is clear you do not know since you do not know the history of the early christians and what they believed. If you wish to stop that is your choice as many thing protestants believe can be proven to only come into being after the 1500s but many Protestants will not even look at christianity before the 1500s.

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 open your eyes,, MAt 15:1-20.. is washing of hands a command from God?or is it written in the Bible so that we should follow?

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Open your eyes and read Mat 15 completely, It says washing your hands is not important either way. Read Matt 28 Jesus told his Apostle to go and baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit and teach them to fulfill all that I have commanded you. Do you think everything Jesus told them was written down? The bible says it was not (Jn 21) but Catholic Tradition of the early Christians holds some of this information.

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 DO YOU NOT KNOW BECAUSE OF YOUR TRADITION YOUR MAKING UP ERRORS, PLease read this friend EPH 4:9-13, priest only are used to bring atonement for the people to God in the old,, in the new testment Jesus is the most high priest hebrews 5:1-6 he became the only perfect priest, and look at his work john 1:9, heb10:11-14, heb 5:8-9, 4:14-16, JESUS CHRIST IS THE PERFECT HIGHPRIEST, why should you need another priest since the old covenant was torn down?mat 27:51

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith You are right jesus is the perfect High Priest which is what the Catholic church teaches but the Catholic Church also teaches what the Bible teaches which is that the people of God will not lack a male leveiic priest to offer sacrifices to the father which is what the bible says when the Davidic kingdom is renewed. Or do you believe the Davidic Kingdom was not renewed by Jesus? The verse I showed says this levitic priest would last forever when Jesus became the High Priest

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 DO YOU NOT KNOW BECAUSE OF YOUR TRADITION YOUR MAKING UP ERRORS, PLease read this friend EPH 4:9-13, priest only are used to bring atonement for the people to God in the old,, in the new testment Jesus is the most high priest hebrews 5:1-6 he became the only perfect priest, and look at his work john 1:9, heb10:11-14, heb 5:8-9, 4:14-16, JESUS CHRIST IS THE PERFECT HIGHPRIEST, why should you need another priest since the old covenant was torn down?mat 27:51

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Again you show you do not know what the early christains believed but only what was believed after the 1500 so you are saying there were no Christains before 1500 AD which goes against the bible again. Picking and choosing again of what in the bile you will believe. NT shows many time about priest (1 Tim. 3:1 - Paul uses the word "episcopoi" (bishop)) Very few Protestatns doubt that early christians had bishops (which by the way are priest). reason the New Covenant.

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 WE BELIEVE IN BISHOPS TIMOTHY 3:1 , your lying my friend...!!! christians existed in the time of Christ,,, Christians were first called christians in antioch,,, ACTS 11:26.... Why do you judge in the history?? JUDGE ACCOrding to Biblical aspect,,..PSALMS 119:105,,,

-THE bishops are not Priests. THey dont offer sacrifices, his role is to manage the church of God.. 1 tim 3:5 where can you find that bishops offer sacrifices here???

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Actually, no Christians did not exist by that name in the time of Jesus so I am not lying, but again you show lack of knowledge of the early Christians. During Jesus time they were called disciples of Jesus, During the early part of the time of the Apostles they were called the “Followers of The Way” (Acts 9),

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith It was not until later in the time of the Apostle they were call Christians at Antioch first just like in the 80AD to 110AD time frame the Church of these Christians started to be called Catholic again at Antioch. But by what you said earlier, your definition of Christians were those who accept Jesus Christ (which Catholic do) and believe in the bible alone are Christians.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Here lies the problem with your definition of Christians as the early Christians did not possess the bible but only had the traditions of the Catholic Church at the time to tell them which writings should be counted as Sacred Scripture. This is well documented so you see the early Christians do not fit your description of what a Christian is but that again is your interpretation and does not agree with history or the bible. more to come later

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 which is verified in your own instinct??? the written LAw or the Oral Law??? which is more convicing????

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith The writtien Law and the Oral law not sure what you are even getting at here since unless you are talking about written tradition or oral tradition

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith You ask were in 1 Tim 3 we have sacrifice but as I said before we as Catholic do not take one verse to justify all our beliefs but we use the bible as a whole. In the interpretation it must not counter the OT as well as the NT and if there are no priests (bishops) or Levites (priests and Deacons) who are sacrificial leaders of the religious community (the Church) then Jesus did not fulfill (Matt 5:17) all the OT Prophet’s prophecies which he said he would do.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith You are right as part of the bishops job is to manage the church (but what church?) but Bishops did offer sacrifices as did the Apostles who past on this office (bishop or "episcopoi" ) by the laying on of hands. (1Tim 4) “of which I have become minister by a gift of God, a grace he gave me, when his power worked in me."(Ephesians 3,7)(sounds more like the ordination of priests)

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 please be certain!!!! Hope you'll find the truth,,.....!! i don't hate you but i just want you to be saved... if you will not repent you surely are not one of God's sheep....i'm sorry, i am out,,, MAy God open your mind...!

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith I know your intention are good but you do not know what the CC teaches based on what you are saying and you also do not know what the early christians believed based on your interpretation of the bible. Unless you know the whole truth you can easly go wrong in your beliefs. While the CC might not be perfect it is the Church that can trace its roots back to the Apostles. I do not know of one Protestant church that can claim or prove this.

[tomb1954]

"where he serves as minister of the true temple and sanctuary, set up not by any mortal but by the Lord." 3 A high priest is appointed to offer to God gifts and sacrifices, and Jesus also has to offer some sacrifice ( Hebrews 8,2) see the bible even says Jesus offers a sacrifice because he is a priest, the High Priest. The bible knows to be a priest is to offer sacrifice.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Now I am going to gather the nations of every tongue, and they will witness my glory,

19 for I will perform a wonderful thing among them. Then I will send some of their survivors to the nations …They will proclaim my glory among the nations….21 Then I will choose priests and Levites even from them, says Yahweh (Is 66; 18-21) next post

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Just so you know Jer 33 is not wrong and again priests and Levites means there must be a sacrifice and this must be fulfilled if Jesus is King and High Priest of the renewed Davidic Kingdom.

11 For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts. (Malachi 1:11)

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith So again where are the priests in your church and what do they offer to God that the Bible says they will do.

7 For Yahweh says, "David will never be without a descendant seated on the throne of Israel,

18 nor will the priests and Levites be left without descendants to stand before me and to present burnt offerings, grain offerings and sacrifices." Jer 33 So the bible said the Gentiles will offer sacrifices by priests if Jesus did in fact fulfill the OT prophecies

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 i said the priest was annuled because of it's weak covenant.. Do you think God can't annul the covenant and replace his son to be the only high priest because he lives forever? SO question why in the old testament the people where not allowed to eat unclean foods and then today why can we eat unclean foods??? am i right when i say it is because of the new covenant?

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Again you did not read what the bible said so you are skipping the topic or at least trying to bypass what the bible says again because it does not agree with your fallible interpretation. Jer 33 says priest and levites not the High Priest but it does say what the new King of the Davidic kingdom reins forever God will give the people priest and levites in this new kingdom of the new covenant.

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith "Each day they met together in the Temple area; they broke bread in their homes; they shared their food with great joy and simplicity of heart;"- Acts 2,46 (Mass for the earliest Christians)

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Ok we will again show you your complete lack of kknowledge of the Catholic Faith. your quote "IF YOU WILL NOT REPENT AND IN TRUST JESUS TRUTHFULLY AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR YOU WILL DIE" Each and every Catholic has done this at one time or another because this is part of being Catholic. Again you are just repeating what some one told you and you really never looked for your self as I know this is what most Protestants do. They do not search for the truth themselves.

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 MARY IS THE CO-MEDIATRIX OF ALL GRACES????? IS THIS THE TRUTH YOU ArE TALking ABOUT????? 1 timOthy 2:5

-there is one GOd and one mediator between God and human race which is Christ Jesus. WHO IS THE ONE TwISTING GOD's WORDS?????

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith Hmmm, didn’t read the whole chapter again. 1Tim2:1 “First of all I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving be made for everyone,” Paul is urging Christian to intercede (mediate) for each other so why would he say to intercede for each other if they can’t do it?

[christian333faith]

@tomb1954 respect the Bible.!!! why can't you prove anything...??? where is mary here as the co mediator????? You are in accurately representing the term intercede.. the Christians mediate to others in the name of the only mediator Jesus.... john 14:13 so Jesus again is the only mediator.. why are you twisting verses??? are you acting like satan??? sorry but please prove your demonic doctrine about mary is the co mediator of christ..Please don't skip the topic, you have not proven anything

[tomb1954]

@christian333faith The Christian mediate to others -- this is do what the bible says Did you not read what it said? You should respect what the bible says and stop reading into it what you want it to say in your fallible interpretation of it.

[shanana000]

This is what I call protestant bashing...could you imagine if Protestants had a show like this? oh man! the catholics would be so upset about how much the converts love Jesus now and realized how much Mary isn't the one to pray to.

[hagamann]

@shanana000

uh...duh...there are shows like this for protestants...dude...use the internet

[shanana000]

@hagamann I'm a Protestant, and don't know of any show that has a host with guests and they tell of their journey from the RCC to an evangelical beleiving church....I know that people do leave the RCC...but there isn't a tv show....you won't find prots bashing like that.

[PrinzOtto]

From all sedycion and privey conspiracie, from the tyranny of the bisshop of Rome and all his detestable enormyties, from all false doctrine and heresye, from hardnes of hearte, and conmtempte of thy worde and commaundemente:

Good lorde deliver us.

[chase82]

I loved her story but it got cut off...disappointing as she's a great speaker.

[txb2gd]

Praying is simply put "talking to God". One does not need to be "taught"- just speaking to Him with your heart is prayer.

[shanana000]

So she wasn't taught to pray by her parents or sunday school. But yet she prayed...She never seen her parents pray she says.. but yet she prayed at night...lol...kills me. Was she seen praying by her parents...and what was taught to her at Sunday school..nothing? these Journey Home skits make no sense. Where is Christ, does Christ ever get any credit for saving anyones soul or healing them from their distructive lifestyle on these shows? No! It's all about Rome..Rome can't save anyone!

[leftprotected]

@shanana000 dont watch the show if it bothers you... of course God gets all the credit (not just Jesus, but the Father and the Holy Spirit too). You've been conditioned to hold ill will towards the Catholic Church, but you need to let that go. They're talking about their journeys to the Church founded by Christ... believers are often blinded to think the belonging to the Catholic church is going away from Jesus, but those believers have been misled.

[PrinzOtto]

@shanana000 AMEN!! I left Rome let them do a show about me LOL

[grekito]

Welcome Home!

[MyBetty111]

Ok, I think she talks too much and too quickly at that! She doesn't give the poor interviewer time to formulate questions.

[Seanis777]

@MyBetty111

Too fast? You gotta be kidding lol. Talks at a nice normal speed. Well spoken lady.

[Shanniquitie]

thanks

[edurne1]

Thanks. Very interesting. Where's part 2?