Is The Bible Corrupted Or Confirmed In Islam?

[hamzah938]

One thing to consider is if any corruption occurred after the Qur'an was given to humanity (610/633 A.D.) We have been rolling along for some 1400 years! A reader must continue to read the Qur'an over and over,.. if you read the material ONCE and try to evaluate,.. you will be led astray! Thanks for reading the Qur'an! Please keep asking questions! God wants YOU to know his TRUTHS!

[ItsAmadWorld2]

@hamzah938

I don't know what you mean by your first sentence. It seems side-tracked by the rest that comes later. Could you explain it better? I don't know what you said has to do with standing firm upon something Muslims say is corrupted, yet, confirmed by the Quran.

[hamzah938]

@ItsAmadWorld2 I believe I was trying to address two ideas at the same time....? As Muslims we don't like to attack the Bible since we agree it is a Book of Revelation. That is one reason we try not to be specific where the corruption lies. Please continue to read the Qur'an with a desire to understand it's meaning. As you are an intelligent being, many differences between the belief systems will become apparent. A softer approach for you to make your preferred choice (from within).

[ItsAmadWorld2]

@hamzah938

I just made a video you might want to comment on about this subject.

[JAFFERSH]

at 7:00 u said "as far as [u] can tell, the Bible has not been corrupted...but it hasn't been confirmed either." I would like to post a video response to ur questions but i need some time b/c I am fairly busy with medical school right now. I have a long break coming up in December so hopefully i will do it then. For now, I want u read Bart Erhman's book "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why"

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Sorry. What I meant to say is, "As far as I can tell, the Quran seems to be saying the Bible HASN'T been corrupted, but, that the Bible has been confirmed by the Quran. But, it HASN'T been confirmed by the Quran EITHER...because the Quran is all about having your patooti in the air five times a day EVERY day to escape eternal damnation, and the Bible is about blood atonement from some innocent animal (usually a lamb, or, the "Lamb of God", for the redemption of sins."

[JAFFERSH]

hmmm...i have 2 say, u may not know it but ur manner of commenting is a direct mockery of islam, yet u do it in a very subtle way. I have visited ur channel and it seems like u cannot leave a comment w/out referring 2 praying 5 times a day or saying "prayer rug." Nevertheless I think u r greatly confused about the prayers, and it seems u think that is all we r about. I will attempt to address this issue when God willing I make the video over my winter break. Untill then....peace.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I think I AM confused. I mean, it seems like I'm getting mixed messages. The Quran says one thing about the before scriptures, well, the "previous scriptures", and, Muslims say another thing about them. Who is to be followed and believed? ARE persons of the Book (The Bible) to stand firm upon the before scriptures, or, are those scriptures corrupted?

[TheAddicted101]

Hello Brother I've found a video that answers your question. Please search for " Islam and Christianity - Ahmed Deedat and Gary Miller (8/18). I hope this helps.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

@TheAddicted101

Isn't Deedat the one who said every Muslim SHOULD be a terrorist?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

@JAFFERSH

You want to read "Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why" because you want to believe Allah's words CAN be corrupted, making Quran 5:68 a lie when it tells People of the Book to "stand firm upon the Torah and Injeel"? You want to believe Quran 10:94 is a lie when it tells you to GO to those who have read the "before Scriptures" (Bible), IF you are in doubt about the Quran? You want to believe the Quran is a lie when it says it "confirms whatever scripture

[ItsAmadWorld2]

"confirms whatever scripture that came before it" (Quran 5:48)?

[magicOcardOman2009]

WHEN U SAY TORAH, U are reffering to the one allah sent the unchanged , not the current one. plz make it clear if u r refering to the quran. (quran says torah=orignal)

same with gospel...

YES quran does say torah is the same as the quran. because they are both allahs words (as i said when muslims say torah, they refer to the unchanged one)

again add me on msn

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Where does the quran say " Torah equals original", meaning the one we have now is corrupted? But even IF it does say that, why does the Quran tell you to go to those who have read the previous scriptures (The Bible) IF you are in doubt about the Quran when, at the same time, the before scriptures are supposed to have been corrupted by Muslim standards?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

@magicOcardOman2009

What happened to the Torah that couldn't be changed? What happened to the Torah that a Jew has to stand firm upon according to Quran 5:68? IF the Torah became corrupted, it had to become corrupted AFTER the "handing down" of Quran 2:106 about abrogation, don't you think?

[magicOcardOman2009]

good points, but

quran does say torah is the words of Allah, BUT if ONE word changes it isnt the torah no more. ALLAH sent down the TORAH, HIS WORDS, if one letter changed it isnt the torah, making it the corrupted torah!

u say "why did god send down the torah if he knew it would be corrupted"

FIRSTLY, ALLAH is fair, if he didnt send down a book than the jews would use it as an excuse not to go to hell, like "u nvr sent us guidance" so allah sent the torah, which they changed.

cont belw..

[ItsAmadWorld2]

IF the Torah became corrupted before the writing of the Quran, how come Quran 2:106 didn't kick in? You know what Quran 2:106 is, don't you? It goes: "2.106":  Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?" THIS tells me that, instead of telling a Christian or Jew to stand firm upon the Torah or Gospel, it should have said NOT to. That they are "now corrupted".

[s0urpunk]

your an fucking idiot

[ItsAmadWorld2]

It's actually "YOU'RE a f---ing", NOT "your an". "Your an f--ing" is bad English. But, that's not important. The important thing is WHY am I a that in your estimation, OR, have you just used al taqqiya (i.e. lying for Allah), due to this video dealing with Islam?

[shad79]

as muslims we believe your holly books are mixture of true gods words and addons from the writers, those verses in bible that dont go against quran to us its gods words.

as for ur point about words of god not being changed, in quran the word used is "Thikr" which is another name of quran as it has many names, quran never called bible Thikr only quran is Thikr, i think if i am not mistaken even in bible u get verses about how corruption got into the books

[shad79]

the bible talked about in quran is E'sa bible not ur bible which is not even jesus book, it is bible according to mark, luke, john and matthew. these dudes are unknown to us, we know E'saa which u named jesus

[ItsAmadWorld2]

So, when the Quran tells you, as a Muslim, to go to those who have read the "before scriptures", what are those "before scriptures"? WHAT Torah, Gospel, and further revelations am I, as a person of the book, supposed to stand firm on IF the Torah, Injil and further revelations (Bible), are corrupted? By the way, what do you think of Quran scriptures that say Allah's words can't be changed?

[DocMasterX]

The point is the original scriptures don't exist today. No where in the koran does it say anything about the bible, because the bible is written by men. It mentions the "Injil", which is the Word of God.

[DocMasterX]

On the other hand those affirmations in the Quran about the previous books was a way to reassure the Christians and Jews' faith in the One God, so that they may know that the Quran is from the Almighty.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

So, any religion that preaches one god, is true?

[DocMasterX]

There can only be One truth.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Right. So, when Muslims tell us that we all worship the same god, but, say it's worship OF that god that keeps you out of hell, and, another religion (Christianity), tells you it's blood atonement of Jesus that keeps you out of hell, looks like there is some conflict. ONE is not right here.

[DocMasterX]

The Quran is a confirmation of the "original message" worship the One God, at the same time the bible has been tampered with so it can not be trusted 100% that is why there is the Quran.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

If the Bible is no longer the original, how come the Quran tells a Christian he has no ground to stand upon unless he stands firm upon the Injil (Gospel)? How come the Quran tells a Muslim that IF he's in doubt about the Quran, he should go to those who have "read the previous scriptures" (The Bible)?

[DocMasterX]

Once again the whole point of that is to prove to the idol worshipers of Arabia ,at that time, that the message of Mohammed was the same message of Jesus and Moses.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

So, the "go to those who have read the previous scriptures" should be abrogated?

[alamint]

I am sure of my words. Its what I believe. It was divine inspiration and revelation when Allahs messenger uttered the first words of the Quran. I have not avoided any question. You just won't accept that I don't accept your view of what is the Injil. But, I can see I am defeated. You win Mr. Sorry to waste your comment space and time. I shall retire to my Quran with my wife now. Take your same argument to the Copts and see how far you get. I am sure they will leave defeated as well.

Peace

[ItsAmadWorld2]

And may you ENJOY your wife and have a great week. I don't know why you feel defeated. I was just trying to find out what Injil I should stand firm upon. Perhaps there will be another Muslim to see this video and set me straight.

[alamint]

I was only making a humble point about language. Trying to use analogies to convey understanding. Arabic is the language at hand at this point. With different phonetics and alphabet. We can't progress. I don't have this arguments with Arab Christians. We say "Ahlu Kitab "people of the the book or "nasaarah" , they say 'maseehiyeen" from the word masah or anoint. Also we us the word "rab" as Lord, they us like in Rabbul Qudus" Holy spirit. Thanks for the exchange of ideas and beliefs

[ItsAmadWorld2]

You are welcome.

[alamint]

Read my last statements concerning language. I have more Qurans than you. I am reading then in Arabic as well. I can't go further until you accept my statements. I see you questions, but they are redundant because you are not accepting that we don't accept the Bible as the Injil. You need to take your argument to Arab Christians who don't accept it either. If they do, then the Quran must be accepted as Gods word as well. Read my analogies below. If you don't understand, it is my shortcoming

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I'm being redundant because you are ignoring my questions. Expect more redundancy from me until you tell me why I should stand firm upon something that is either corrupted (contradicting "Allah's words can't be changed"), OR, something that doesn't exist (because it was in Jesus' head, like YOU seem to be trying to say, contradicting the Quran about going to me ABOUT the Bible IF you are in doubt about the Quran. Would you like to see that scripture again?)

[alamint]

Like the first word in Surah 96, "Iqrah", it is commonly translated "Read" but it means to recite. Reading , in Arabic, can mean from memory or text. The good thing is is that you are reading the Quran. I am happy for that. Look on You tube and see how may Christians have become Muslim after reading the Quran only to criticize it. Yusef Estes is one. But beyond him, thousands since 9/11 have done the same. Keep up the reading and if you need any help with the Arabic, let me know.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

So it DOES mean "recite"! But, are you SURE you want to say it means "recite"? Because the command came to Muhammad in the cave when he FIRST met the angel beFORE the Quran was given to him. HOW could he recite it IF the Quran hadn't been given to him yet? Is THAT why Muhammad kept saying, "I'm unlearned, I can't recite", causing the angel in the dark to squeeze him each time he said he couldn't "recite"? But, shouldn't the angel have KNOWN he didn't know the Quran, so, WHY "recite"?

[alamint]

You are showing your lack of Arabic knowledge. You are limited by the translation. You are relying upon the translator. I speak Spanish as well and I know that I can't literally always translate a word form Spanish to English. Example, they use the word "huevos" eggs, to refer to a mans testicles. We use the word "nuts". But to convey understand, the translator must consider the language of the people to help convey a clearer understanding. It is not always literal, which you a being too much

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I know Spanish as well. Mi padre era un profesor de espanol, que tambien, un professeur de francais et autres langues.

[alamint]

Even amongst your Arab Christian brethren, only a few use the Arabic word "injil" to reference the new testament or Gospels. They mostly use the Arabic " Bashaarah", which mean like "insight". They do this so as to disassociate or dispel misunderstandings that what they have is the revealed book named in the Quran. You on the other hand, insist upon this making it so, even as a non- Arabic speaker. So please, stop trying to make me accept The Bible as THAT Injil (Injeel)

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I would stop, but, why does the Quran SAY "Injil". IF it never existed, and, only existed in Jesus' head, HOW can I stand firm upon it? HOW can YOU ask me about it IF you "are in doubt about the Quran"? HOW is there confirmation and reminding with the Quran? WHY is the Injil listed in the Quran WITH the Torah and the Zabhur (Psalms) which ARE in book form?

[alamint]

With that, we can't proceed forward anymore on that point, unless you present That copy. So the whole Allah lying thing, I ain't feeling you bro. The book you have, to us, is like that boy in "The Changeling". The police presented the boy as her son, by name. It was not him. Not even a corrupted him. Not him, not the Injeel. I never call, that book, THE Injeel.  About Taabari, there are and were many people with the name Taabari. I am simply asking you, which Taabari and which book?

[alamint]

The fact that you promote a book that has similarities to the book I believe in doesn't mean that it is a watered down Injeel. And even more to that, the Injeel was a revelation to Jesus. His direct testimony is not here. And I don't have evidence that it was even transcribed. Your Bible has some jewels of wisdom in it, but that doesn't mean it is quotes Jesus. I believe firmly in the Injeel. Injeel doesn't =New Testament. Injeel doesn't translate to Gospel, it is a convenient word.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: "And I don't have evidence that it (the Injil) was even transcribed."

Ram: WHAT!?!? Then WHY is it even MENTIONED in the Quran that it IS? WHY are YOU to go to ME for READING "the scriptures" beFORE it (the Quran), IF it never existed in BOOK form?!?!

Ala: " Injeel doesn't translate to Gospel",

Ram: WHAT!?!? Well WHAT does Injil MEAN!?! What does "Tawrat:" mean? Does Musa really mean "Moses"? Isa mean "Jesus"? WHY do Muslims say they believe in Moses, Jesus then?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

And, again, I CAN'T present that copy! NO Christian can present that COPY!!! So WHY does YOUR Quran say things like I CAN present that copy. WHAT is this Injil I'm supposed to "stand firm on" IF it no longer exists!? WHAT Injil are YOU to come ask ME about IF you are in doubt about the Quran?!?! And IF the Injil I have is corrupted, HOW can THAT be in it's Allah's word and, according to the Quran, Allah's word CAN'T be changed!?! (See, again, Quran 6:115, 34, and 10:64).

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I'm asking about the Taabari YOU brought up? Or, did you cut and paste something you didn't read? By the way, I always thought Taabari was spelled "Tabari". YOU spelled it "Taabari". THAT'S the one I'm asking you about.

[alamint]

Muhammad, Mohammed, Mohamed. You are nit picking on transliterations. I Only spelled it "Taabari" because you did the first time you responded. Look, what does someone authoring a book and calling it Bible, Injil or the The Constitution and CHANGING Allahs words? Changing Allahs words has nothing to do with the book you have. Allahs authority (word) or decree will not change no matter how much people try to confuse. as Allah tells us, let not their SPEECH grieve you.

[alamint]

Read can also mean recite in the Arabic. I read the Quran in my prayers. In Judaism, they have oral books, which Christians don't accept, as a part of Torah teachings, even to this day. Oral history and teachings are STILL history and teachings. You DON"T have THE INJIL. ALLAH has given you THE QURAN. I do not believe you have the Injil. You have to accept that for us to proceed.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: Look, what does someone authoring a book and calling it Bible, Injil or the The Constitution and CHANGING Allahs words?

Ram: What!?! Could you be more clear?

Ala: Changing Allahs words has nothing to do with the book you have.

Ram: Then WHAT Injil (that I'm suposed to stand firm on) are YOU to ask me about if you are "in doubt about the Quran?"

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: Allahs authority (word) or decree will not change no matter how much people try to confuse.

Ram: Corrupt it, even though the Quran says Allah's word "can't be changed"?

Ala: as Allah tells us, let not their SPEECH grieve you.

Ram: By not listening or reading what someone might ask you about the Quran? If so, isn't that forced narrow-mindedness?

[alamint]

You need to tell me who you are referring. Hey, send some more post if you wish. I'm done right now. Its almost 11 am here, i need to do some things.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

YOU mentioned Taabari. I'm asking if THAT is the famous Taabari that is like the Hadith, and, if you believe THAT Taabari. That's the one I'm talking about. If it is, HOW much of that Taabari do you believe in. Any parts of Taabari that you DON'T believe in.

[alamint]

Look, I can't answer anymore questions if you don't understand me. I keep saying, Muslims DO NOT accept YOUR New Testament as THE Injeel revealed to Jesus. It is a book, to us, of short stories. I said PRODUCE me a book that is accepted, by Muslims , as THE Injeel. We don't recognize that book being the Injeel no more that you accept David Koresh as Jesus returned. The book Allah revealed is no longer with us, but don't fear, Allah does not forsake. You have is last revelation, The Quran.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I KNOW Muslims don't accept my New Testament, but, for some reason, (which you seem to ignore), is that the Quran tells YOU, as a Muslim, to GO to those who "have read the scriptures (Bible) before it" IF you are in doubt about the Quran". Why? Also, WHY does the Quran to tell Christians to stand firm upon the Injil (Gospel), when the Gospel is ALL about Jesus going to the cross?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I CAN'T produce an Injil that is exceptable to Muslims. The closest thing to it, it seems, is the "Book of Barnabus", which was written about a thousand years AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus. A THOUSAND years! But, BEING that I, or, NO Christian, can produce an Injil that agrees with the Quran, it sure in hell sounds like the Quran SAYS I can, and that it IS the Injil that I currently have. WHERE in the Quran does it say there are 2 Injils? One good and one about the cross?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: The book Allah revealed is no longer with us, but don't fear, Allah does not forsake. You have is last revelation, The Quran."

Ram: But, again, IF you are right, WHY does the Quran say that I, as a Christian, have no ground to stand upon UNLESS I stand upon the Injil? WHY should YOU, as a Muslim, go to ME IF you are in doubt about the Quran JUST because I've READ "the scriptures (Bible) beFORE it"? You want me to post that scripture again?

[alamint]

How many Smith's or Khans are there?

[alamint]

Many Christians disagree with you.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

True, they do.

[alamint]

I have read these and they are a part of my library. I read Arabic. At this very moment I am in an Arabic speaking nation. I touch and feel the sources and don't just examine things like I am in a laboratory. If you want to hang, you are welcome. You have an audience because you can count on the fallacies and short comings of men to leave holes in their speech with just enough room for you to wedge a post it note of caution. And it doesn't mean what they say isn't correct, it creates pause.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

You are lucky, well, blessed, to BE in the environment to have such a lab. I, on the other hand, have to resort to blogs and see if I can keep from reading my own meaning into someone's words. It helps to SEE and HEAR the person, rather than read his or her words. That's ONE of the reason why I put on videos on YouTube.

[alamint]

You can't tease the text and think you can present arguments. You have just a few comprehensive sources. Have you read all Sahih Bukhari, Shaih Muslim, Ibn Majah, Riyad as Saaleheen, Al Tirmithi, Fiqh As Sunnah, Kitabu tawheed. Hadith Nawawi, Ibn katheer, Baihaqi, Tafseer Taabari, Tfseer Qurtubi.?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

You believe in the writings of Taabari?

[alamint]

Which Taabari are you referring?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

How many Taabaris are there?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

What is that Injil that a Christian has no ground to stand upon unless he stands firm upon it? What are those before scriptures being read by those before the Quran that you, as a Muslim are to go to if you are in doubt about the Quran?

[alamint]

Are you going to go and buy the latest Christian scholars claim that the Bible is faulty, Jesus Interrupted? Like i said, Deal with your own skeptics first, then deal with us.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

No I won't. For it's a bunch of doodee. I was a theology major and learned that Christians believing Jesus went to the cross, believed so from the beginning, thanks to things like the Q-source and the writings of Saint Paul.

[alamint]

I want to spend my time with you trying to cure social ills. They are affecting us all. We are looking bad in the world and losing our sons and daughters. What percentage of young girls have perspicuous photos on the net now? And you want to throw religious snowballs with Muslims? Teenagers are committing suicide because of the net. Its a style now to have bastard children, A STYLE! Bro, let's work together as a team on something else more helpful to our society. Unless yo think I am the problem

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Thanks to taqqiya, I can never know anything about you.  It's not your fault.

[alamint]

Lose are going to lose your daughter to Britney, Lady Gaga, the local priest or the ecstasy dealer before Islam. And some Americans see that. And that's why many are turning to Islam. There are turns of stories of thugs, both street and corporate, promiscuous women and racist (black and white) who are model citizens with conviction because of the Quran whether you admit it or not, whether you approve or not. Man, morally, we are a mess in America. It hurts.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I agree, we are. But, you can just as easily believe the Bible and it's "flee fornication" scripture, as you can Islam and the morality it would have many believe is needed to get to Paradise.

[alamint]

Are they just collateral damage to your numbers. What is your goal here? Cause a diversion in the hopes of delaying or retarding Islams growth? I am really failing to see why so many people are posting these videos. Is it for self satisfaction? where are the true people who want real understanding. Me personally, are of no concern for America. Look, I am almost 50, my mother 70. we have seen enough injustices at home. She is still Christian but it doesn't remove her childhood scars.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

IF your mom is a Christian, like you say, and, if you are a Muslim, how do you live with the reality of Quran 3:28, 5:51 and 9:28 (Christians and Jews are considered "People of the Book")? As a Muslim, are you SURE you want to believe your mother is a Christian?

[alamint]

My mother is who she says she is. Are you trying to instruct me in MY faith and cause family discord? Evidently you don't understand the place of mothers in Islam. Their is no distinction of their faith. You are putting the cart before the horse. You don't have an understanding as to the proper order of Islam, so you present your audience how YOU feel it should be coordinated and say that this is what we believe and how we practice. We you read verses of Quran, it is without faith in them.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

I'm not trying to instruct you, I'm trying to learn from you, that is why the questions. You say there is no distinction of the faith of mothers in Islam, true? But, where is the scripture for that? Where are the scriptures, period? You aren't backing up your statement with scripture. When you start doing that, we might start getting somewhere. Until then, it's all "Islam is this" without back-up. Present scriptures, and, hey, we will see.

[alamint]

There IS no scripture, that is a point of argument as well. You are telling me that I must prove to you that I must love my mother in Islam? Why? For what goal? How to pray, is not in Quran. I must prove to you how we must pray or make hajj? Why? Go to the KKK website and you will find them. Your rebuttals are in the form or questions, responses and opinions. Are you trying to be Muslims? I have sufficient backing of my beliefs, but, why do I need to prove my faith to you?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

You don't need to prove your faith to me, but, what I'd like to know, is WHAT it was in Christianity that got you out of it and into Islam. I'm actually MORE interested in what made you turn from Christianity than what got you into Islam, although, that facinates me also.

[alamint]

I can work with that type of question but I don't expect to convince with my statements. YOU must accept my decision to become Muslim. You have no choice. There was enough contradiction in the Bible and in the practices of Christians to at least in the beginning examine other faiths. I ask any Christian, would Jesus kill and 98% say no. But all the time, Christians, enlist in Armies around the world and kill. I am from Georgia and I KNOW redneck southern baptist. I know history.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Jesus wrote through Saint Paul. In the one of the letters of Paul, Paul talks about the soldier who "holds not the sword in vain, taking vengeance". The Old Testament says there is a time of peace and a time of war. Jesus said "turn the other cheek", but, if you read the Old Testament, there is a LOT of command for war against the Cananites and others. And, when Jesus comes back, he will rule the earth with an rod of iron.

[alamint]

Ok, thanks!

[alamint]

I did not change my religion in a hasty and angry manner. I accepted Islam and waited with out telling a soul for days, sleeping at night and examining my intentions to make sure it was not juvenile. I didn't accept Islam in prison as an angry black man disgruntled with the "system". As a Muslim, I must examine the text. Islam is very comprehensive, all you have to do is accept and it can't happen unless you are in a learning environment with connecting resources.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

It sounds like you got of Christianity because so called Christians were racist and mean, mostly. But, even though there are war like scriptures in the Old Testament, and slavery, I can't see how that means Christianity is false. There is not only slavery in Islam, but, Quran 4:24 ALLOWS a slave master to have rape, well, "have sex" with slave girls who are married (you want to ignore that, but, it's a fact). So far, I can't see what it was that turned you over to Islam. There is LOVE

[alamint]

Like explained clearly that I am NOT like that. Read my testimony below. I was only pointing out things that CAN cause a person to stop and look at their situation. But I am sure you can see how SOME may turn away from religion all together because a cousin or brother was hung from a tree and genitals removed. But, it's not my case.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

in the Bible. Not only love of God, but, love for ALL people, including your enemies. The most powerful scripture in the whole entire Bible that keeps me a Christian, is the scripture, "love is greater than faith". For it brings hope to all. IF I felt that Muslims were destined to an eternity in hell fire (like Muslims believe I will be in hell for "partnering with Allah"), I doubt I'd be a Christian. I don't know what I'd be, but, I doubt I'd be a Christian.  The Bible is hope for... ALL.

[alamint]

I have yet to see a white man deal up front with the reality that Christians (KKK) were running around here raping black women and cutting off the genitals of black men using the 71 verses of the Bible that they reference to justify their supremacy. You have no objectives except to disrupt. Its not going to work. You fail to realize that I have BELIEF in the Quran. Its not just a book to me. Your rebuttals are weak. You think I will fall for such a response? Yes, I am sure.Now, what will happen?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Which of those 71 verses are you talking about that calls for "Christians" to cut off the genitals of black men? You present them, and, maybe I can throw my Bible away, ok? You think my objectives are to disrupt? But, how are asking questions disruptive? Don't you want to use the brain Allah gave you, or, will you go "taste the the fire" if you do? By the way, where have I "rebuttalled" you? Is asking questions "rebuttals"? How?

[PeaceTrain99]

Quran 5.46 - confirms Gpspel and Torah Quran 4.163 confirms the Bible's Zabur (Psalms) and the Prophets. Quran verse 3:52-53 - confirms Jesus's Shahabas (disciples) Quran verse 2:269 confirms "Wisdom" That is the entire Bibel - Allah confirmed in above verses. Torah (Israelite History), Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremia, Jacob ect), Psalms or Zabur (Prayer and songs or praise of God), Wisdom (Hikma). NT Injeel (Gosple - life of Christ), Apostolic (Shahaba).

[PeaceTrain99]

obejct should be rad 'obey'

[PeaceTrain99]

Quran says, on the Judgement Day, Allah will ask people "why did you SLAY my prohet" .

But Quran mentions NO prophets being slain.

So is Allah lying?

[alamint]

My brother, you need to read Hadith along with Quran. The Quran does not explain to us how to fast or make prayer either. How to is given in the example of Prophet Muhammad. He explains about the slain prophets.

[alamint]

Your response was to attribute allegory to something non-allegorical. That's still not an explanation. There is no music, so don't dance

[PeaceTrain99]

So then you believe there will be "exactly" 72 virgins? please answer me, if any Muslim scholars agree on that, then and only then I will raise an eye brow for 800 vs 8000. Please tell me.

[alamint]

Again, you don't believe in the Quran. Convince me of the Bible.

[alamint]

I believe that and any degree in between that the Creator of the Universe decides. Again' your job should be to convince me of your Bible. If you would like the Hadith that mention the slain prophets, I can supply this. But is it important to you? I don't think so.

[PeaceTrain99]

Ok even from the Hadeeth, please show me the slain prophets.

You went in oppsoite direction of Allah's direction.

Allah directed this way - First Quran and the Hadeeth.

Allah said: Object Allah, Follow prophet.

means : Objey Quran, follow Hadeeth.

But you are trying to justify Quran from Hadeeth being first. But go ahead anyway ...

[alamint]

Now you are going to tell me how to be a Muslim? And you are a Quranic scholar? Do you read Arabic? Quran say " Obey Allah AND (not THEN) his messenger. Allah says ALL that he received was divine guidance. NOTHING he relayed form Allah was contradictory to Islam. We recite Quran in prayer, not hadith. Thank Allah he preserved His word separate from his messengers. That's why you have the confusion today in Christianity and the Bible saying that Jesus said he was Allah, may Allah guide you.

[alamint]

I read Arabic, it says " Yaa ayyahal latheeenah aamanuh Ateullah "WA" ateeuh rasool" Wa is and in arabic. Oh you who believe, obey Allah AND his messenger.

[alamint]

Sunnah means Tradition. A Sunni is one who follows the tradition of Muhammad. Allah says in Quran "In Muhammad, you have the best of examples (uswatoon hasana). You can not have Islam by separating Quran and Sunnah. This conversation has moved from the topic. I wish to show respect to posting.

[PeaceTrain99]

I like to stay in the topic, thanks for pointing out. But please show me as you promised from Sunnah that prophets were slain. Because I refuted autenticity of Quran, because Quran fails to mention that while caliming Allah will condemn us for salying prophet. So accoriding to Allah no prophets were slain (yet, He will grind us), so please show me which prophet ..

[alamint]

I will need to find a internet source. Everything I have is in book form. It would be better if I send it to you so you can easily reference if you like. I promise to get this to you later. Just for reference, I am an American convert. I was a Baptist, non drinker. My family is still Christian.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

What was it that won you over to Islam?  Which scriptures? I've noticed that Muslims seem to be losing faith in the Hadith, what with "the sun asks permission of Allah to rise again", yet, not so much with the Quran. Being so the case, which parts of the Quran did it for you?

[PeaceTrain99]

yes, that is what I said, Obey Allah and his meseenger. And I agree only place you can find how to obey his messenger is in the Hadeeth.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

You're a Hadith believing Muslim? But, how much of the Hadith do you believe in?

[alamint]

I believe in all that I know. That your opinion concerning Muslims. There is no faith lost in Hadith. Your only chance to try to continue discord is to attack the Quran. This video is not about Hadith. That your mission. Still, American women are turning toward hijab. If that is true what you say about hadith, no matter. Your concern should be why so many people are losing faith in the Bible and which ones. I love to Educated white Americans accept Islam. They are true thinkers.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

What does "I believe in all that I know" mean? You say there is "no faith lost in Hadith", meaning that, if you read something stupid sounding in the Hadith you'd believe it? What do you mean by that?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

How much Arabic did you know before you became a Muslim?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

When you became a Muslim, how much Arabic did you know? I take it that you don't believe the Quran is a confirmation of that which went before it? But, if not, and Allah's words (Torah, Injil, Zabur) HAVE been corrupted, isn't that contradicting those sciptures in the Quran that say Allah's words CAN'T be changed? You know, Quran 6 and 10?

[PeaceTrain99]

brother I have nothing against you, we are just arguing based in two Holy Books of two opposite religions. Therefore we nedd in investigate both holy books. The video is about where oi not Qurans confirms Bible. Therefore we need to analyze both.

According to Quran, Allah says - Injeel, Zabur (Psalms), Prophets, Torah are ALL athentic and He preserves His word. Anyone who follows previous revelation (Ijeel, Zabur, Prophets, Torah, Isa's Shahabas) will go to heaven.

... continue ...

[PeaceTrain99]

That is entire Bible. Bible is logically divived into these sections - Torah, Prophets, Wisdom, Psalms (prayer or Zabur), Injeel (Gospels), Witness of Isa's Shahabas. Therefore Allah is CONFIRMING the entire Bible.

[alamint]

Don't try to use the text of the Quran to try to convince me that the book that you carry in your hand is the revealed Word of Allah. You can't use some list provided to you by Missionaries of Quranic verses which "support" the Bible. Tons of other verses contradict THAT book you have. Allah sent the Quran to YOU and all of mankind, either you accept it or not.

[PeaceTrain99]

No I am quoting from AUTHEN Quran translation (3 official translations) - Yusufali, Pikthal, Skahir.

[alamint]

I already did enough personal research to be convinced of the Qurans authenticity when I converted 20 years ago. But debate is welcomed by me. In the end, to you be your way and to me be mine. As a Christian, you should try to convince me of the Bibles authenticity.

[PeaceTrain99]

Where does the story of "Raven" comes from in the Quran. If Quran was authentic, then how come second century Jewish folklore had the same story of "Raven".

Please educate me first.

[PeaceTrain99]

Let's not base our arghhument on some balueless "politically correct" statement by some politicians or crowd pleaseing, apeasing writters.

If you want to explore truth, let us do together based on HOLY TEXTS only and let us see where the TRUTH is.

[PeaceTrain99]

Let us know base our arghhument on some balueless "politically correct" statement by some politicians or crowd pleaseing, apeasing writters.

If you want to explore truth, let us do together based on HOLY TEXTS only and let us see where the TRUTH is.

[alamint]

Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US President, comments about the Bible; "so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture". He described the "roguery of others of His disciples", and called them a "band of dupes and impostors", Described Paul as the "first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus", and wrote of "palpable interpolations and falsifications". Book of Revelation "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams"

[PeaceTrain99]

Forget what some president or some writer says. President Bush also says Islam is a religion of peace. Does that mean Islam is a religion of peace?

[PeaceTrain99]

You: "The questions is the Bible the original injeel (Gospel of Jesus) which the holy Quran confirms. "

Me: So bring that out. If you cannot bring it, then you are MISSING your Allah's word therefore Allah will be proven fake. So if you  believe you Allah is true and He confirmed Injeel, bring His Injeel out and show because Allah says He preserves all His word. Therefore show us Muslim Injeel please ... go ahead ...

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Allah also says in His/Their Quran that His/Their words can't be changed (see Quran 6 and 10).

[PeaceTrain99]

Quran confirmed that Bible is true word of God and therefore He confirmed the whoever follows Bible will go to heaven and Bible is His(God's) word.

[alamint]

I am only stating argument. You have a greater concern convincing skeptical Christians. Still, explain these, what seem to be, apparent contradictions. Muslims did not write these verses.

[alamint]

My arguments, please compare and explain the below.

Mad plagarism - II Kings 19 and Isaiah 37

word for word until verse 38 from 2 authors

God or Devil ? - II Samuel 24:1 and 1 Chronicles 21:1

7 years famine or 3 ? II Samuel 24:13 and I Chronicles 21:11

How old 8 or 18 ? II Chronicles 36:9 - II Kings 24:8

700 or 7000, calvary or infantry? II Samuel 10:18 - I Chronicles 19:18

2000 or 3000 baths? I Kings 7:26 - II Chronicles 4:5

4000 or 40,000 stalls? II Chronicles 9:25 - I Kings 4:26

[PeaceTrain99]

Only plagiarism in the Quran. Quran was copied by Muhammad's paid or captiuve men from the Bible, Jewish and Zoro, Sabian and heretical documents and avariours pagan arab practices.

[PeaceTrain99]

All the numbers different may be for different iuncidents or if same incident actual numbers mean nothing, it is basically to show that "a large number" of.

For example when in Quran it says 72 virgin, it does not mean 72, it means "a large number of virgins". Same way, 800 or 8000 infantry simply mean "a number of infrantry", that is all.

[alamint]

My brother of peace, please, I speak and read Arabic, that is a false statement. Explain YOUR bible. The Quran is sufficient for me as a source of guidance. Debate with me and explain what i presented. Don't answer a question with a question. That's delaying the point.

[PeaceTrain99]

I already answered. I said number 800 or 8000 does not mean exact 800 or 800, it just saying "a number of" just like in Quran/Hadeeth when it says 72 virgin, it does not mean 72, it means "anumber of"

What is your next question?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

IF what you are presenting is proof that the Bible is corrupted, HOW can the Quran be true when it says it's a a confirmation and reminder OF the Bible? AREN'T you pointing out that Allah's words CAN be changed IF the Bible is corrupted, contradiction Quran 6:34, 115, and 10:64, that say Allah's words CAN'T be changed (i.e. corrupted)?

[alamint]

Its not like you are looking to be Muslim. I have spoken with hundreds of sincere people who were looking to Islam as a possible solution to their spiritual woes. I recognize your tone and you are Not one of those people. Frankly, I like sincerity without agenda from people when explaining Islam. The Quran is sufficient enough for dozens of people in America, everyday, to enter Masjids and enter into the fold of Islam. Why do they owe you an explanation?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

IF I didn't see the contradictions in the Quran, and, the terror caused by Muslims, I'd be more willing to have my patooti up in the air, five times a day, EVERY day, for the rest of my life with the REST of them. But, there are too many questions raised FROM those contradictions, which is why I'm asking questions in video form to GET some answers, possibly.

[alamint]

I fully believe that you don't have the Injeel Allah sent to Jesus. Allah say he sent the Quran confirming that which went before it. For me and and Allah has decreed, the Quran has been sent for All mankind. The previous books were sent to specific nations. It is sufficient enough for to see the lack similarity in the creed of the book you believe in as evidence of that it is NOT the books Allah sent to his messengers and chose not to preserve. Why do I NEED to prove my beliefs to you?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: I fully believe that you don't have the Injeel Allah sent to Jesus.

Ram: If not, then three verses in the Quran are a lie about Allah's words not being changeable. Or, do you disagree with the Quran and say the Injil WASN'T Allah's words?

Ala: Allah say he sent the Quran confirming that which went before it.

Ram: You don't believe that?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: For me and and Allah has decreed, the Quran has been sent for All mankind. The previous books were sent to specific nations.

Ram: Then, why does the Quran have the Injil as something a Christian needs to stand firm on?

Ala: It is sufficient enough for to see the lack similarity in the creed of the book you believe in as evidence of that it is NOT the books Allah sent to his messengers and chose not to preserve.

Ram: Then WHY, am I, as a Christian, to stand firm upon the Injil?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: Why do I NEED to prove my beliefs to you?

Ram: You don't need to prove your beliefs to me. I'd just like to know why you feel the Bible is corrupted when it's supposed to be Allah's words. Words that, according to Quran 6 and 10, can't be changed. Not only CAN'T be changed, but, are confirmed by and reminded by the Quran. That's all.

[alamint]

Look, the Bible you have I don't believe is Gods word. The point you want to make is irrelevant because of this. It can only be a lie if I accepted YOUR Bible and the Quran as Allahs revelation. Allah has spoken clear truth to me. Present to the Muslim world a book that is accepted as the revealed Injeel. After that, if there is inconsistency, then the lie statement has teeth. If not, then please don't beat that dead horse again.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

And If the Bible I have is NOT Allah's word, WHY Does Allah tell me I have "no ground to stand upon unless I stand firm upon the Injil"? IF that Injil no longer exists, WHY is that scripture in the Quran? Is this proof that the Gospel was corrupted AFTER the writing of the Quran since Quran 2:106 (about abrogation), never kicked in? 2:106? You know that scripture, don't you?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

Ala: Present to the Muslim world a book that is accepted as the revealed Injeel.

Ram: What Injil is the Quran talking about? If the Injil is corrupted, isn't the Quran lying to tell me to stand firm upon the Injil? And HOW can there be confirmation? HOW come you keep ignoring that question?

Ala: After that, if there is inconsistency, then the lie statement has teeth. If not, then please don't beat that dead horse again.

Ram: The dead horse is one of those Night of the Living Dead ones.

[alamint]

It is easy for you to say why something is "not" there. Just, if you want, disprove what exist before you as invalid or not God's word. You wisdom is nothing to the one who created you. Their has been enough argument amongst Christians concerning The Da Vinci Code and the Gospel of Mary, the Council of Nicaea. Put you energy toward why the American Standard version of the bible with 73 books and the KJV with 67. Why? Have you read the Gospel of Barnabas? I'm just curious.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

And IF what you have presented is proof that the Bible is false, well, HOW can the Quran be a "confirmation and a reminder of that which went before it"? HOW can the Quran be right when it says a Christian must stand firm upon the Injil (Gospel) IF the Injil is no longer in existance DUE to corruption? WHY should a Muslim go to a Christian whose read the scriptures (The Bible) IF he's in doubt about the Quran? ISN'T the Bible Allah's words? But, if so, they've been corrupted, true?

[alamint]

There was no need for a textual abrogation. When Allah brought Jesus to the Jews after Moses came with the Torah, his presence was sufficient. He told them to follow him. This is the same case to you as a Christian. When Muhammad came with the Quran, people were to follow him. All of them brought signs and guidance concerning their message from God.

[ItsAmadWorld2]

But, this Quran sent to Muhammad says, "if you are in doubt, bring something from Allah LIKE it" (in otherwords, it can't be done). And, the Quran has the Torah LIKE it. As a matter of fact, the Quran has the Torah as "both guidance and light". IF that's no longer the case, that it's been corrupted, well, HOW can Allah's words be corrupted and NOT contradict Quran 6:34, 115, and 10:64?

[somasomaagain]

The Bible is a book written down in different versions from oral traditions and translated to and from many different languages, heavily edited and re-written for various reasons and purposes over the years. The current 4 gospels were a few amongst many that made it into the current versions. The Catholic Church edited the book as it stands today. None of the Bible's authors was alive at the time of Christ. Paul was Greek! Know the history and you won't ask such questions. Dude. What are you on?

[ItsAmadWorld2]

IF it's not the original Bible, and is different in meaning from the way Allah had it, then it seems all those scriptures in the Quran that have the Bible as confirmed BY the Quran, should have been abrogated. That Quran 2:106 should have kicked into gear.