Tough on Israel 2/5

[Phantomplayz]

Dori Gold got his ass handed to him!!! Smug imbecile.

[CordialElderflower]

I'd love to hear Avraham Burg say "Jingle All The Way".

[1971revolution]

america and germany should take the jews back. and give israel to palestian. or they will be a world war in 20 years time.

[fuxu123]

wow the host is real tough on all sides, fantastic!

[noelsoong777]

avrahm burg gives the true Jewish views on the state on Israel.

[MrPiccolop]

Dershowtiz is a bonafide, card-carrying con-artist...

[Oli3TB76]

The mediator is hardly impartial

[jjvanka]

@Oli3TB76 - The Beeb is not impartial (anymore).

[Redcarpet01]

@Oli3TB76 What did he say that was partial?

[steute2011]

Dori Gold is a very small man!

[steute2011]

Dershowitz proves the analogy of parent (US) & child (Israel) when he says that getting tough on Israel will only make them less likely to offer peace to Syria and Palestinians. Is that not the way a spoiled child reacts to discipline from his parents? Case closed.

[cristopherkloeess]

WOW no shame among some of these dudes

[dmokhtar]

Avraham Burg sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger, no?

[abe0101]

avrahm burg is an honest man! a brave member of the jewish community that tells it like it is. I like him and i hope more israelis share his views.

[hassanibnali]

So Americans like Israel because its a democracy?! And they would go to the ends of the world to defend Israel because its a democracy??

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@hassanibnali but it is though fuck islam

[johnstubbs2010]

@hassanibnali They dont like it because its a democracy. They support loads of dictators in the Middle East.. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan etc...  The US itself is not a democracy its a corporate military plutocracy.

[m1a2abramsJames]

why did Likud have to ruin Israel so much?

[gabydewilde]

Democracy works like this: you only get to vote every few years and there can only be just the one issue you are voting for or against. You vote for healthcare, you vote for an end to one of those wars listed above etc etc you get to vote for any one thing you can pick every few years

Maybe running a country involves more than the one decision? It should be several decisions per day. ppl should complaint all year how much work it is to run a country

[simply2ghetto]

@imrich6

LOL - You can watch the whole debate in 5 minuts just search 'Norman Finkelstein - Bruce Lee'

[ugandansweetie]

how can he "friendly differences" when people are DYING

[Re5Publica]

@anarchylogic A republic can be democratic, in the same way it can be autocratic. Cuba is a republic. I'm not sure who it was who said America is a Republic and not a democracy, but I've heard it repeated so many times by Americans, that it must have been someone of great influence.

America is a republic, as well as a representative democracy. A republic since you have no monarch. A democracy, since you elect, from the citizenry, people who represent your interests to be your government.

[Sheiko10]

How can you deal smartly with stupid people.

[k1a1t1h1y1]

yeah they talk and then do nothing

[JohnnyRock2000]

Dershowitz lies when he says he's against the settlements in that he is fully in favour of occupation of Palestinian by the military. He would continue the wall, the checkpoints, the jewish highways and the breakup of the West Bank into the bantustans. Dershowitz's evacuation of settlements would be utterly meaningless. He wants a totally dominated Arab population as do most zionists.

[saqib09]

The guys speaking for the motions are horribly incompetent to talk about this issue. This is another Zionist strategy. Put some idiots up against us and we win.. ha ha ha. The same old 'Thousands of rocket fired' bullshit and he couldn't even reply saying that the reality is Israel is butchering Palestinian. Its not a WAR...Are you joking? Israel is slaughtering people like ants.

[Rockerheads]

These filthy Zionist are making use of the US. I pity those American taxpayers.

[casanova0102]

Where's Noam Chomsky?

[doglin82]

@casanova0102 not invited? :) LOL

[eddied111]

No pal, it is you who is mistaken. The land of Canaan including Israel dates back around 5700 years. Way before the philistines tried to rule the area. And I would like to refute the allegation of racism. I do not condone israel's actions of removing Israeli Arabs from their homes, this is totally wrong. Israel is Israel with Jerusalem as it's capital - accept that and we may move on.

How old are you btw?

[eddied111]

Calm down, I think you're the one who is mistaken. Israel was promised to the Jews, canaan not philistine was the incumbent biblical area. Plus I said that I don't condone Israeli Arabs being moved out of their homes, and I'm not racist.

Peace!!

[jjvanka]

@eddied111 - ...was promised...

I don't think you can use something you believe as an argument in a discussion with a qte non-believer unqte.

[BeatOutsideTheBox1]

@jjvanka but its ok for muslims 2 claim it in a similar fashion? cuz th@s exactly how they believe they have claim to jerusalem. muhammad's magical horse Buraq th@ could jump/fly as far as the eye could see apparently jumped to jerusalem (where the mosque is) where muhammad ascended to heaven. th@ is their claim 2 jerusalem. if th@s reasonable enough for them, then a promise from God is easily justified 4 jews

[jjvanka]

@BeatOutsideTheBox1 - "but its ok for muslims 2 claim it in a similar fashion?"

- If I would have noticed that posting (supposing it exists), I'd have reacted the same way.

[BeatOutsideTheBox1]

@jjvanka believing in something doesnt necesarily make something true, but just bcuz u dont believe in something doesnt make it untrue.

i dont think its really about a 'promise', its more th@ jews have had a longer connection with the land than 2day's 'palestinians' & arab reps have admitted this.In testimony be4 the Anglo-American Committee in 1946 they claimed a connection 2 Palestine of more than 1000 years dating back no further than the conquest of Muhammad’s followers in the 7th century

[jjvanka]

@BeatOutsideTheBox1 - " its more th@ jews have had a longer connection with the land than 2day's 'palestinians' "

- You aim at Jews who lived in the land together with Arabs, both farming, building homes and enjoying life. And you're probably right. However, these are not the people who arrived from Europe and took what was not theirs (apart from a religious connection).

[AtheistNY]

@eddied111 Who made this promise, and what are you smoking? - hook us up, please!

[amrjosef]

@eddied111 I dont belive in religions how can you proof that jews have a right to Palestine. How can russians becuse of their jewish faith have the right to settle in Palestine and kill Palestinians. Wake up

[muslimgiga]

@eddied111 If you are bringing religion into this argument than do you also agree that God wants thousands of palastinians to suffer die and get killed because of your beliefs? And if you use the torah as an argument than WHY is ISRAEL a SECULAR country? Isn't that hypocritical?

Truth is Israel is an American puppet in the Middle east to put a check on islamic movements by the US.

Too bad its not going so well.

[eddied111]

There is no such thing as Palestine, GET IT into your dumb heads, it is ISRAEL get used to it. Settlements are being built near the mount of Olives, the most important burial ground in the World. GET IT? Just for the record, I do not condone Israel moving Israeli Arabs out of their homes, but Israel is Israel with Jerusalem as its capital. GET USED TO IT, recognise Israel, and peace will be acheived, until then you anti semites will not get what you want. You pose a threat to Israel and Jews.

[HETAGU]

Not only are u ignorant and possibly a racist, but also a self righteous dim wit. You add the fact that you're a Palestine denier and you have yourself what is exactly wrong with the Zionist enterprise. Palestine has existed for 2,500 years. In 5th BC, Herodotus mentions Palestine Syria. In fact Herodotus makes no mention of Judeans or Israelites pertaining to the area.

[yordanosi]

there is no such thing as israel . never was

[joewas]

i agree with you mate, at least someone else has thier specs on

[mrantidajjal1]

jurisdiction to plant settlement in palestine WTF!.

[pask54]

isn't the moderator supposed to be NEUTRAL???? He is so pro-isreal, it is ridiculous!

[ComeLeVent]

what? No, he plays a dialectic role, and he does a very good job of that. How is he pro israel, look at the beginning of this video.

[whauffend]

Avraham Burg sounds like Swarzenegger but then WITH education and common sense. Hee hee.

[kakompo]

And I am supposing they [Israelis] won't like his point of view too much. MOSSAD will keep an eye on him real well. Norman Finklestein has been slapped with a ten year ban- for what? And now he's been denied his tenure. I guess Israel really does control every part of our society even our colleges.

[kidi1232]

i like people like you - who think a country which have no oil, or other natural resource (like water) with 5.5 million jews, or a population of 14 million jews control every part in the society of this 7-billion-people society.

that means that 1 jew controls 500 thousand people in average, 1.27 million people per israeli.

you are funny.

[ArcoFlagellant]

@kidi1232

Jews control the world's money supply and they control both news and entertainment media - that gives them much more power than mere numbers of material resources.

[kidi1232]

you forgot that jews also control the global warming.

i mean come'on -do you seriously believe that the whole world banking systems and the whole media are controlled by 14 million jews?

[ArcoFlagellant]

@kidi1232

OK, Ben Bernanke, head of the Federal Reserve is a Jew. Coincidence perhaps? Well, so was his predecessor Alan Greenspan. Another coincidence? Well, head of the Fed before him was Paul Volcker, another Jew. In fact, research it and you'll see that 9 of the 14 Federal Reserve chairmen have been Jews.

Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee is a Jew. Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner is a Jew.

[ArcoFlagellant]

@kidi1232

Billionaire investor and political manipulator George Soros is a Jew. Barack Obama's chief of staff is Jew Rahm Emanuel. Goldman Sachs is a banking company started and run by Jews. The Rothschild family are among some of the wealthiest and most influential bankers in the world.

Don't trust me, look it up for yourself. Look up who owns TV networks and movie companies. Spend a little time researching claims of Jewish power instead of covering your ears and shouting "anti-Semite!"

[kidi1232]

so what?

on every jewish banker there are 300 non-jewish bankers.

[ArcoFlagellant]

There are?

I showed you some solid evidence and you retort with an unsubstantiated statement. The Federal Reserve controls the value of the US dollar, the most widely used currency on earth and 9/14 of the heads of the Fed have been Jewish. This is a fact. How can you continue to deny that Jews have power vastly disproportional to their numbers.

[kidi1232]

even disproportional power for the jews number is not enough to control the whole world the way you describe it. there are several banks and TV channels that are controlled by jews (especially in the US). its true that compared to their population jews have alot of bankers and "people with power". but its still not enough that 14 million people will control 7 billion.

[MazdakTV]

@ArcoFlagellant

So what?

Michael Bakunin & Karl Marx were jews... and they were very against the capitalist.

What has jewishness to do with it?

[simply2ghetto]

I still think they could have got someone a lot better like Geroge Galloway or Finkelstein he would have really wiped the floor with this lot.

[TheMrpalid]

dore gold got humiliated,

Israel is a terrorist state

[meleszenawi1111]

As a jew I can tell you from expierience that most kids like Israel because there parents tell them it is great in reality when I turned 21 about I went to Gaza and saw the way people live I remember when leaving an israelis soldier notcing my passport and my jewish sounding name said didn't those arab areas suck. You know what I did I spit on him and told him not only are the Gazans better then you but your the reason this place suck true story. I think israel will implode for many reasons

[jimj122680]

Dore Gold made a complete ass out of himself.

"Israel" = needs to go. It needs to be dismantled.

God bless the Palestinians.

[TissuePrices]

norm finkelstein should have been here, he would have destroyed derchowit

[simply2ghetto]

so true, I was speaking to Norman for about 20 minutes 3 weeks ago, he has lost none of his razor sharp wit

[prierias]

Sooner later Americans will get tired of having their foreign policy in the Middle East dictated by the Israel Lobby. If there isn't a turn to a more balanced policy soon, Israel will eventually become the scapegoat for all America's problems - America might well become frightfully anti-semitic. For the sake of the well-being of Jewish Americans it's time for America to get tough with Israel and insist on a fairer treatment of Palestinians.

[forestskog]

@prierias I agree that is a very possible scenario if policy doesn't change.

[rgs11]

@prierias That time seems to have come. Now we get to worry about Israel's "Samson Option" which is their threat to nuke the whole world in the face of an existential threat.

[ITHEREONETHATHASNT]

@prierias Sorry but i doubt it. America is no longer a real democracy very few people vote and those elected when in office would never do anything against israel it just isn't done. To run for office you need jewish money its a well known fact everyone running for office goes to AIPAC first for a hand out and then they are in their pockets. I pray your right but i have no sympathy for whatever if happens to jewish americans if your premonition comes true because theya re american in name only.

[trance2307]

I like Avraham Burg

[Noliving]

It is a republic, a republic has nothing to do with whether or not its a demoracy.

[Ezzedeen01]

So then don't go spreading it!

[Noliving]

The problem is that the US government is also a representative democracy at the same time, it is first and foremost a republic.

[jjvanka]

... end colonial wars.

[77paradox]

no i havent ever been to israel, but i have met and talked to arab-israelis.. they are treated like second class citizens.. watch the news, every month or so one of those arab-israelis who have it so well runs over ppl in the street with a bulldozer.. its like being black in america in the 1920's. and again- you dont know what its like in the Gulf countries, so dont assume that the ppl there arent happy

[reduen]

America is not a Democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic......! Idiot....!

[77paradox]

the jewish professor keeps implying that the arab-israeli citizens have it better than arabs everywhere else in the world.. he's either ignorant or seriously delusional

[jjvanka]

How about... advertising

;-)

[cheebacheeba]

hes not talking about the oil rich arabs who live like kings whilst the majority of population lives in shit, but hes referring to the overall arab populations

[77paradox]

he specifically said that the arabs in israel have it better than the arabs in any other country in the world, he didnt say compared to the average arab population- have you been to dubai?

[cheebacheeba]

have you ever been to israel? hes not talking about how rich they are.

[TruthAndKnowledge]

Most Arabs live off well in neighbouring Gulf states. So what's your problem?

Israel's Arabs have the highest education levels compared to its neighbours, and yes there is discrimination against them in a social sense.

[Re5Publica]

@77paradox They have more social and political rights. An arab-israeli can run for political office, and be elected by his\her constituency. This is not true of most of the Arab world.