Youbelievewhatyoubelievebecauseyou believe it. The purpose of something is the purpose in which it is used and given. Burden of Proof falls in my mind on the one with something to prove.
Concepts so many can't understand in the way I do *sigh*
also being someone that majored in something that lives and dies on statistics. I must say they lie. The manipulation of statistics especially correlations can make them serve the one using them with little bearing on truth / especially bad ones ;)
Woot, "evil" numbers for me! Anyway, good rebuttal argument. One thing I was surprised you didn't point out was that not all philosophies address his three points, even though Atheism isn't a philosophy.
Take Objectivism. It does not apply to "where we came from." It applies to where we are and where we can go by using said philosophy. But Ayn Rand didn't apply it retroactively.
I am boggled at how I missed that part, lol. I must have been gung-ho about finding something to comment about. Or better yet... I'll just blame being at work!
Your arguments are always so airtight that it's hard to make constructive comments that aren't anything other than "good job". Lol.
When that guy asserted that "atheism IS a philosophy," he was just lying through his teeth.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in gods. I also don't believe in astrology (and lots of other things.) There is no name for that disbelief. Let's give it a name: nonastrology.
Nonastrology IS a philosophy! I'm lying through my teeth.
I believe that once again some idiot theist is trying to make atheism only as logical as their brand of theism. They cant do that by bringing forth the actual claims that atheists abide by. Because the only thing that all atheists agree on is that they dont believe in god.
Now how does he get that we give a reason for why we are here and how we got here? This guy is a moron.
Well, the basic issue, like I said, is that he assumes that all philosophies deal with those 3 things he outlined. However, philosophies can be wide-ranging (all encompassing) or very very specified.
It never occurred to you that this guy was just being friendly?
I mean, there are real assholes out there, sure, but there's a difference between "hitting you in the back" and trying to avoid sombreness while you make your case.
I talked to him and he says he hasn't decided what he believes about gay marriage yet.
I don't think that's that bad.... But then, at the same time, he's at least in his late 30s and he hasn't decided yet... So... Take from that what you will.
Clear something up for me, if you could. Are you an atheist in the non-monotheistic sense, or in the sense of what PluripotentBrain proposes? I ask, because I am confused. When you made your responses to Gary, and he's as "atheistic" as they get, you appeared opposed to his logic. I may not understand every reason that you got into arguements with him, but as you are an atheist, I was led to ask, objectively, what about your viewpoint differs from his?
Gary believes that morals are objective. He believes it is a truth of the world that you are a bad person if you do not do whatever you can to prevent suffering. Or, if you stab someone, you are a "bad" person, categorically. I am of the impression that morals of subjective, and good and bad are entirely personalized comments of sentiment.
We agree on religion, we agree on God, we agree on many aspects of politics and society, we disagree on whether or not life is a pile of shit.
But, do you define God as the "god-man," or as a universal constant as many metaphysical paths attempt to demonstrate today? Are you an atheist in the sense of "a theos," without a God-figure, or a general lack any possible substrate to material existence. Without it seeming too "phantasmagorical" of me, that is my overall inquiry...
Very nicely done. Quite right about truth not being enough (or even a primary concern) for the religious, which is odd given the religionists' continually insisting that they live in service of the truth (or, more correctly from their perspective, Truth). The search for truth is not really a part of the religionists' project. Rather, they're primarily in search of comfort, a narrative that makes them feel better. By contrast, the search for truth often has the opposite result.
I recall when I was an agnostic I did feel quite a bit like life was meaningless. Without answering those questions as a worldview it is in the end meaningless. What follows from Atheism is in fact meaninglessness or perhaps I should say Naturalism which entails a little more. This is no argument against atheism although it is a mere personal observation.
I've always liked your vids Avi, and now that you have done such a great job at slowing your pace down to a rate at which the rest of us can keep, they are fantastic! ;)
The attempted correlation between atheism and mental disorders commits more than one logical fallacy. Unfortunately when I made my own response I couldn't bring to mind which ones they were :) Clearly atheism is causing early onset Alzheimers.
Yeah, correlation does not equal causation is one. I think there may be a "correspondence" fallacy in there somewhere. Whatever the formal names, the point he tried to make - in the manner in which he tried to make it - was a total fail. I personally don't think the rise in global temperatures and the increase in Pamela Andersen's bra size is a coincidence (insert self-satisfied look).
A correlation between atheism and a sort of melancholic malaise (as opposed to actual clinical depression) would not really surprise me. Dealing with reality is though work. Some of the most insightful philosophers in the Western tradition suffered from that sort of thing.
He says atheism is a philosophy, then lists three things all philosophies have, and then he tries to say atheism is worthless because it lacks the second thing in his list. Brilliant!
Atheism is a lack of belief in one particular area. If all atheists hold a particular philosophy that could be held by anybody, it doesn't make it an atheist philosophy. All atheists believe 2+2=4, but arithmetic is not atheistic.
As time goes on, I think atheism is much better than religion. Truth is the most beautiful thing in the world. When I look at the night sky and see all the stars in the universe, I couldn't ask for a better heaven. Heaven is a place on Earth and the truth about life makes the planet all the more heavenly. :)
Atheism is better than religion: It's gives terrible afterlife "offers" heaven and hell are TERRIBLE places -- yes even heaven -- but this isn't the point. The point is is that atheism is almost certainly true.
Not really. Determinism is a requirement to even define a self that can make choices(The alternative is that choices are random, and independent of the self). There's no "delusion" about who you are, and in a deterministic system, it is in fact the deterministic system *that is you* that make choices depending on what happens in your environment.
There's nothing bleak about it when said deterministic system has the richness of human experience. You have freedom and your life is your purpose.
The illusion I mentioned was consciousness. Our awareness of our brains functions does not equate us being in control of these functions, rather it seems we (as a sense of self) are merely perceivers of mechanistic brain functions.
The reason we "create" purpose in our lives is because the concept exists in society which ultimately programs/conditions our brain to that reality.
The only way this could be wrong is if there is some etheric component to ourselves (like a soul) which is not bound to the physical neural networks of our brain, but operates independently in some unknown metaphysical dimension. If you do believe that, there are philosophical problems which arise, but if you are an atheist and believe we are product of evolution, the only logical outcome is that we are mechanistic pleasure seeking organisms here to reproduce.
Truth is comfortless, it offers no solace, only anxiety....one can have all the facts one wants doesn't add up to "Truth" IMO - Truth is subjective at best - you are talking truth in the lower case, I'm referring to truth in capital T. --- Many "facts" are in fact more often than not used for "beliefs"! hence the subjectivity!
Talk for yourself tsk tsk.. how megalomanic it is of you to asume that what you think is the same for the reat of the 6 biilion humans on the planet..
ummm how said I was - u referred nothing to the argument itself and went for a personal attack, tsk tsk tsk
and I never said what I think is the same for everyone else - hence subjectivity - in fact you are projecting that you know what Truth is for everyone else! - megalomanic is more suited to you darling
or just maybe what you FAIL, ah yes, you fail simply because you could not stick the actual debate at hand without appealing to emotion, or personal attacks, seems so mature for a 50 year old man ;)
doesn't make sense to you yes I admit, I have failed, you didn't call me on bullcrap, you just failed to actually argue the points,. but when for personal attacks which means you have little to contribute
pissed yes - pissed when I see someone think he's hot shit
and thanks Vog for assuming my religiosity a great belly laugh enjoyed her - just wondering do all the facts that disagree with yours equate religiosity? just saying...
I have been trying to say is that there is no ABSOLUTE TRUTH, its all subjective...
you can have all the "objective facts" it does mean that there are possibly objective facts to REFUTE your view of Truth.
I have been trying to say that one has to be careful in the use of the word - your facts might not lead to the same experience or acceptance of your facts.
What I and Vog continue to do is talk our beliefs, not any facts...
Thanks, I choose it rather deliberately. 'Sisyphus' is obviously a reference to the Greek myth, but more to the point, the Albert Camus essay of said name. I think Camus' reading of life as seemingly meaningless, repetitive and ultimately amounting to nothing is a keen insight, but too often people just leave it at that ('oh atheists/existentialist just think life is meaningless.')
But Camus' closing line ("we must imagine Sisyphus happy") is to me a clarion call, asking us to find a way to save ourselves. For Sisyphus to be redeemed is for him to somehow find/create meaning in the face of a meaningless universe.
I have a graphic on my channel page, as wallpaper (which I stole from someone via google image search) that illustrates this well, I think.
So what is your purpose? Avoiding an infinity in a burning lake of fire? Talking to Donkeys? If I believed in Little Naked Fairy Girls would my life suddenly have purpose? I really don't get how a blind faith delusion can add anything to your one finite life. Reality is both very beautiful and bleak. If you can't handle it then do pick a fairy tale to cling too, but don't try and call it the truth.
I think they can see the relevance, but it is always a empty trade from the starting point . As too who can evangelize to who, As may this video otherwise mean nothing as the one spiced to it.
Youbelievewhatyoubelievebecauseyou believe it. The purpose of something is the purpose in which it is used and given. Burden of Proof falls in my mind on the one with something to prove.
Concepts so many can't understand in the way I do *sigh*
also being someone that majored in something that lives and dies on statistics. I must say they lie. The manipulation of statistics especially correlations can make them serve the one using them with little bearing on truth / especially bad ones ;)
AxiomofDiscord 1 year ago
Atheism is a religion!
mitukats 2 years ago
@mitukats Just like not stamp collecting is a hobby, or not smoking is a habit.
Trynottoblink 1 year ago
I agree with most of what you're saying but...
6:42
I'm pretty sure that's not a word, brah.
AnonymousUbiquity 2 years ago
From: JasperAvi | July 11, 2009 | 666 views
Today's Date: Friday, November 13th, 2009.
Woot, "evil" numbers for me! Anyway, good rebuttal argument. One thing I was surprised you didn't point out was that not all philosophies address his three points, even though Atheism isn't a philosophy.
Take Objectivism. It does not apply to "where we came from." It applies to where we are and where we can go by using said philosophy. But Ayn Rand didn't apply it retroactively.
AshaVahista 2 years ago
Ah, but I did point that out! :-D
1:55... Watch it back ;-)
JasperAvi 2 years ago
I am boggled at how I missed that part, lol. I must have been gung-ho about finding something to comment about. Or better yet... I'll just blame being at work!
Your arguments are always so airtight that it's hard to make constructive comments that aren't anything other than "good job". Lol.
That's a compliment. ;-)
AshaVahista 2 years ago
Excellent response to a sadly dishonest video.
When that guy asserted that "atheism IS a philosophy," he was just lying through his teeth.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in gods. I also don't believe in astrology (and lots of other things.) There is no name for that disbelief. Let's give it a name: nonastrology.
Nonastrology IS a philosophy! I'm lying through my teeth.
PraiseShemp 2 years ago
I am curious how someone can say that its circular logic to believe that each person must create the meaning for their own life.
bighaus54 2 years ago
Simple answer:
They don't know what circular logic actually means.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
I believe that once again some idiot theist is trying to make atheism only as logical as their brand of theism. They cant do that by bringing forth the actual claims that atheists abide by. Because the only thing that all atheists agree on is that they dont believe in god.
Now how does he get that we give a reason for why we are here and how we got here? This guy is a moron.
bighaus54 2 years ago
Well, the basic issue, like I said, is that he assumes that all philosophies deal with those 3 things he outlined. However, philosophies can be wide-ranging (all encompassing) or very very specified.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
I completely agree with you I just think this guy is quite dishonest and it bugs me.
bighaus54 2 years ago
It get to me... it drives me slightly mad... how can they call atheism a philosophy?
How can they call it a religion?
and... why the hell do christians think that to remove their security blanket it need to be replaced with something else!?!?
Come the F--k on!! Grow up dammit.
Ooohh.. this is not helping... but I needed to vent. *psssssh*
Paxmax 2 years ago
hey! WTF?!? I need to sub you man!!
I agree with your video. I've seen you around on blogtv...
Paxmax 2 years ago
Thanks.
Your name looks familiar.... Is this your name on BlogTV too?
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Yeah, I hover around C0ctopus, DPRJones, Okse, Vogter2100, FactsVSreligion...
Paxmax 2 years ago
FactsVsReligion is where you most likely saw me.. I suppose. I'm not sure c0ctopus knows who I am..... Lol
JasperAvi 2 years ago
It never occurred to you that this guy was just being friendly?
I mean, there are real assholes out there, sure, but there's a difference between "hitting you in the back" and trying to avoid sombreness while you make your case.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
It occurred to me.... I discounted it.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
You thought it was more likely that he's an underhanded douchebag?
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
I did....
Though, I'm open to me being wrong.
Would he vote for gay marriage and equal rights for individuals he disagrees with? Ask him.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
I talked to him and he says he hasn't decided what he believes about gay marriage yet.
I don't think that's that bad.... But then, at the same time, he's at least in his late 30s and he hasn't decided yet... So... Take from that what you will.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
He seems like a genuine enough person, but that does not really mitigate the breadth of his ignorance and apparent will to such.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
Agreed.
But at least he's happy in his stupdity :D
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
He seems happy, yes, but I'm not sure he's actually stupid. I think it's more the case that his ignorance actually blinds him to that very fact.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
the guy nrver heared of nihilism obviously .
atheist is not a philosophy.. simply means . no god... bottom line .
razoorsharp 2 years ago
BTW, my sincerest apologies if my question has at all insulted you. I never meant to. All of my respect to your point of view, truly...
ScorpiusIncorruptus 2 years ago
Not at all.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Clear something up for me, if you could. Are you an atheist in the non-monotheistic sense, or in the sense of what PluripotentBrain proposes? I ask, because I am confused. When you made your responses to Gary, and he's as "atheistic" as they get, you appeared opposed to his logic. I may not understand every reason that you got into arguements with him, but as you are an atheist, I was led to ask, objectively, what about your viewpoint differs from his?
ScorpiusIncorruptus 2 years ago
Gary believes that morals are objective. He believes it is a truth of the world that you are a bad person if you do not do whatever you can to prevent suffering. Or, if you stab someone, you are a "bad" person, categorically. I am of the impression that morals of subjective, and good and bad are entirely personalized comments of sentiment.
We agree on religion, we agree on God, we agree on many aspects of politics and society, we disagree on whether or not life is a pile of shit.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
But, do you define God as the "god-man," or as a universal constant as many metaphysical paths attempt to demonstrate today? Are you an atheist in the sense of "a theos," without a God-figure, or a general lack any possible substrate to material existence. Without it seeming too "phantasmagorical" of me, that is my overall inquiry...
ScorpiusIncorruptus 2 years ago
Very nicely done. Quite right about truth not being enough (or even a primary concern) for the religious, which is odd given the religionists' continually insisting that they live in service of the truth (or, more correctly from their perspective, Truth). The search for truth is not really a part of the religionists' project. Rather, they're primarily in search of comfort, a narrative that makes them feel better. By contrast, the search for truth often has the opposite result.
ProfMTH 2 years ago 4
pwning the simpletons once again I see!
Mathfails 2 years ago
They are only simpletons to people with the mental prowess and freestyling skills that you have!
Leave us simpletons alone!
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Good video.
trumasamune 2 years ago
Cant stress enough how much Atheism is NOTHING BUT a rejection of a claim.
celtic426 2 years ago
I like the look of this video
tooltime9901 2 years ago
i jhate I have no eye candy :( lol
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
Thanks, I found it interesting... Different than most of my videos.
Your next Cleetus video should be like this. Lol
JasperAvi 2 years ago
I recall when I was an agnostic I did feel quite a bit like life was meaningless. Without answering those questions as a worldview it is in the end meaningless. What follows from Atheism is in fact meaninglessness or perhaps I should say Naturalism which entails a little more. This is no argument against atheism although it is a mere personal observation.
OblivionMon 2 years ago
To say it is meaningful to assert that "life" lacks inherent or intrinsic meaning is as meaningful as saying thoughts lack colour.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
Go reason and logic!
Kloxboy 2 years ago
I've always liked your vids Avi, and now that you have done such a great job at slowing your pace down to a rate at which the rest of us can keep, they are fantastic! ;)
Wyglyph 2 years ago
God damn. Whoever it is to whom you are responding is a moron who is just regurgitating Greg Bahnsen.
Good vid.
urbanelf 2 years ago 2
Thanks!
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Also, rise in atheist leading to a rise of depression is faulty cause and effect and potentially appeal to consequence. Yes?
DasAmericanAtheist 2 years ago
Besides being empirically false.
CousinoMacul 2 years ago 2
Well, I guess if you want to get picky. . .
;-)
Hope you'll be in stickam later!
DasAmericanAtheist 2 years ago
The attempted correlation between atheism and mental disorders commits more than one logical fallacy. Unfortunately when I made my own response I couldn't bring to mind which ones they were :) Clearly atheism is causing early onset Alzheimers.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
Correlation =/= causation, for one?
I don't know the name because I never cared enough to look it up. Shame on me.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
Yeah, correlation does not equal causation is one. I think there may be a "correspondence" fallacy in there somewhere. Whatever the formal names, the point he tried to make - in the manner in which he tried to make it - was a total fail. I personally don't think the rise in global temperatures and the increase in Pamela Andersen's bra size is a coincidence (insert self-satisfied look).
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
I saw 'Pamela Anderson's bra size' and 'rise' and I tried really hard to make a good dick joke out of it, to no avail.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
And actually, the only real correlation is between atheism and clinical depression. Usually the religious are much more likely to go nuts.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
A correlation between atheism and a sort of melancholic malaise (as opposed to actual clinical depression) would not really surprise me. Dealing with reality is though work. Some of the most insightful philosophers in the Western tradition suffered from that sort of thing.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago
Yes sir, life's a bitch and then you die.
dylantuzyk 2 years ago
Well, it's not that bad. There is beer.
MenoftheFinite 2 years ago 3
He says atheism is a philosophy, then lists three things all philosophies have, and then he tries to say atheism is worthless because it lacks the second thing in his list. Brilliant!
Atheism is a lack of belief in one particular area. If all atheists hold a particular philosophy that could be held by anybody, it doesn't make it an atheist philosophy. All atheists believe 2+2=4, but arithmetic is not atheistic.
8WholeThing 2 years ago 5
Wonderfully debunked.
Atheism isn't supposed to actually give anything, what it does is lacks the negatives of theism(which is a whole lot).
saken 2 years ago 3
As time goes on, I think atheism is much better than religion. Truth is the most beautiful thing in the world. When I look at the night sky and see all the stars in the universe, I couldn't ask for a better heaven. Heaven is a place on Earth and the truth about life makes the planet all the more heavenly. :)
HaleyMary 2 years ago 6
Atheism is better than religion: It's gives terrible afterlife "offers" heaven and hell are TERRIBLE places -- yes even heaven -- but this isn't the point. The point is is that atheism is almost certainly true.
TheRealBladeRunner 2 years ago
Atheism and determinism paint a very bleak picture indeed:
It suggests we are mere reactionary machines with no purpose...we are our own delusion.
The only comfort is in knowing the truth...
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
Not really. Determinism is a requirement to even define a self that can make choices(The alternative is that choices are random, and independent of the self). There's no "delusion" about who you are, and in a deterministic system, it is in fact the deterministic system *that is you* that make choices depending on what happens in your environment.
There's nothing bleak about it when said deterministic system has the richness of human experience. You have freedom and your life is your purpose.
Gnomefro 2 years ago
The human brain is made up of highly complex sequences of physical neurons that are conditioned from our environment.
Each neuron, similar to a computer's binary code, functions on an all or nothing firing sequence. No neuron can independently fire
as it requires neurotransmitters from a previous neuron. There is no freedom in how we think, rather the brain is merely dealing with
stimuli that it has been programmed to deal with (genetic or conditioned).
....
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
The illusion I mentioned was consciousness. Our awareness of our brains functions does not equate us being in control of these functions, rather it seems we (as a sense of self) are merely perceivers of mechanistic brain functions.
The reason we "create" purpose in our lives is because the concept exists in society which ultimately programs/conditions our brain to that reality.
....
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
The only way this could be wrong is if there is some etheric component to ourselves (like a soul) which is not bound to the physical neural networks of our brain, but operates independently in some unknown metaphysical dimension. If you do believe that, there are philosophical problems which arise, but if you are an atheist and believe we are product of evolution, the only logical outcome is that we are mechanistic pleasure seeking organisms here to reproduce.
....
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
Society and everything therein is merely a byproduct of beneficial traits towards our survival.
Perhaps bleak is not the right word, but understanding this can cheapen the human experience as it suggests we are machinelike.
I do agree though, the human experience is still fantastic and enjoyable. :)
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
"The only comfort is in knowing the truth..."
Yes.
So why are so many humans into reliogion? It offers only lies.
Vogter2100 2 years ago 3
And what is Truth?
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
facts are!
Beliefs are beliefs and not facts no matter how many believe them.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
Truth is comfortless, it offers no solace, only anxiety....one can have all the facts one wants doesn't add up to "Truth" IMO - Truth is subjective at best - you are talking truth in the lower case, I'm referring to truth in capital T. --- Many "facts" are in fact more often than not used for "beliefs"! hence the subjectivity!
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
Talk for yourself tsk tsk.. how megalomanic it is of you to asume that what you think is the same for the reat of the 6 biilion humans on the planet..
Cowcrap.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
ummm how said I was - u referred nothing to the argument itself and went for a personal attack, tsk tsk tsk
and I never said what I think is the same for everyone else - hence subjectivity - in fact you are projecting that you know what Truth is for everyone else! - megalomanic is more suited to you darling
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
fact = truth
religious belief = not truth
Vogter2100 2 years ago
again FAIL -
facts does not equal TRUTH
facts are just facts - one's facts lead to one's VIEW OF TRUTH
Truth is subjective but this is above your head and you cant seem to wrap your mind around that so I'm done trying to explain this to you
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
You seem to write words, but all I get is bullshit.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
THATS because you have wax in your brain and can't have a logical debate without your emotions involved... YOU FAIL
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
Or just maybe you tallk bullshit :-)
Vogter2100 2 years ago
or just maybe what you FAIL, ah yes, you fail simply because you could not stick the actual debate at hand without appealing to emotion, or personal attacks, seems so mature for a 50 year old man ;)
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
Maybe just mayb what you said so far dont make any sense except for the deluded. And I called you on your bullcrap and now your pissed :)
Vogter2100 2 years ago
doesn't make sense to you yes I admit, I have failed, you didn't call me on bullcrap, you just failed to actually argue the points,. but when for personal attacks which means you have little to contribute
pissed yes - pissed when I see someone think he's hot shit
BYE ;()
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
BYe :) dont fret that you dont make any sense.. no religious tards do.
Vogter2100 2 years ago
Hahahahahaha assmunch - who said I WAS RELIGIOUS! LOL THATS THE WHOLE POINT I've been trying to make!
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
and thanks Vog for assuming my religiosity a great belly laugh enjoyed her - just wondering do all the facts that disagree with yours equate religiosity? just saying...
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
"facts does not equal TRUTH"
@GrowthSpiral
what do you define as 'Truth' which makes it differ from 'truth'.
without a definition for 'Truth' your argument can make no sense to me.
bignastydragon 2 years ago
ok, fair enough
I will try to elaborate
someone how when I refer to TRUTH VOG thinks I am referring to GOD AS THE TRUTH
clearly this is a misrepresentation
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
I have been trying to say is that there is no ABSOLUTE TRUTH, its all subjective...
you can have all the "objective facts" it does mean that there are possibly objective facts to REFUTE your view of Truth.
I have been trying to say that one has to be careful in the use of the word - your facts might not lead to the same experience or acceptance of your facts.
What I and Vog continue to do is talk our beliefs, not any facts...
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
"there is no ABSOLUTE TRUTH, its all subjective..."
That's what you think.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
indeed hence thats why they call it SUBJECTIVITY LOL
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
btw interesting screenname, whats its meaning to you?
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
Thanks, I choose it rather deliberately. 'Sisyphus' is obviously a reference to the Greek myth, but more to the point, the Albert Camus essay of said name. I think Camus' reading of life as seemingly meaningless, repetitive and ultimately amounting to nothing is a keen insight, but too often people just leave it at that ('oh atheists/existentialist just think life is meaningless.')
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
beautifully said, big Camus fan here - I figured your name was a reference to such :)
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
But Camus' closing line ("we must imagine Sisyphus happy") is to me a clarion call, asking us to find a way to save ourselves. For Sisyphus to be redeemed is for him to somehow find/create meaning in the face of a meaningless universe.
I have a graphic on my channel page, as wallpaper (which I stole from someone via google image search) that illustrates this well, I think.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
I totally agree and good to find someone similarly inclined, subscribed to your channel as well :)
GrowthSpiral 2 years ago
Glad you appreciate it, thanks for the sub.
SisyphusRedeemed 2 years ago
So what is your purpose? Avoiding an infinity in a burning lake of fire? Talking to Donkeys? If I believed in Little Naked Fairy Girls would my life suddenly have purpose? I really don't get how a blind faith delusion can add anything to your one finite life. Reality is both very beautiful and bleak. If you can't handle it then do pick a fairy tale to cling too, but don't try and call it the truth.
milkman5547 2 years ago
I can handle the truth. My brain actually quite enjoys it. No fairy tales for me :)
PluripotentBrain 2 years ago
I think they can see the relevance, but it is always a empty trade from the starting point . As too who can evangelize to who, As may this video otherwise mean nothing as the one spiced to it.
axisapex 2 years ago