HHO / Hydrogen generator powered CX500 from Westcoast Exterminator

[mrmolez1]

i dont see how this will make you use any less fuel... unless you have physically restricted the amount of fuel coming from the fuel tank?

i mean.. motorbikes fuel/air ratio are not electronically controlled its all done with the twist of the throttle.

if you have not restricted the fuel from the tank you will be using the exact same amount of fuel...

or have i missed something?

[wcemichael]

@mrmolez1 The basic idea is your putting an extra firecracker worth of umph in your cylinder. You know, say you and a friend are pushing a car that is broke down, another guy comes along and helps. The work you and your friend are doing is now easier.

[mrmolez1]

@wcemichael

Oh yes I agree, it will defeinately help on performance and such.

But the carb is setup to allow a certain amount of fuel in. unless you change that, it will not lower the amount of fuel going to the engine.

unless you adjust your carb to take in less fuel i don't see how hho decreases your fuel comsumption as the carb is physically still pushing in the same amount of fuel.

i do agree it will give a performance increase though.

[wcemichael]

@mrmolez1 Ok, look at it this way. the air you and I breath is not pure oxygen, it has a big part of nitrogen, CO2, and others with only less than 30% actual Oxygen. So these inert gases are being replaced with burnable ones. and pure oxygen. If someone blows smoke in your face your gonna inhale some of those gases.

[wa67jr]

@mrmolez1 The way I see it is that the engine will improve on performance and power output meaning that you will not have to open the throttle as much as would normally be necessary thus (theoretically) improving fuel economy as SOME of the fuel used to power the engine is free.

[wcemichael]

@wa67jr BINGO! that's basicly the idea. However there is one problem I've been working on. Power consumption to use the device. I came up with way to use the same power twice that you use for your headlight. I just ran an experiment proving I could do it. now I'll use this next year.

[mrmolez1]

@wa67jr that makes sense :)

[christo930]

How much current does the bike's alternator generate? I didn't think this would be possible on a bike.

[wcemichael]

@christo930 Bikes generally don't have any extra power to spare. so I replaced every light that was constantly on with LED bulbs, This only freed up a couple of amps so I ran with a low sodium solution. This controls the power being drawn and heat output of unit. This is a direct hook up. This year I came up with an indirect hook up (see motorcycle hook up vid). I will be trying this out next season. Thanks for the question

[christo930]

@wcemichael I saw that other video and made a few comments. I know very little about HHO, but I am formally educated in electricity and I can tell you that your approach in that video is bad. What you want to do is keep the resistance of the HHO can very high which will limit the amperage draw, putting additional loads in series with your HHO can isn't going to fix that problem, but lowering the R will.. You may also want to install an in-line fuse to protect the electronics of the bike.

[christo930]

@christo930 Have you ever considered producing the HHO at home and bottling it (or alternatively, purchasing it)? It seems to me that if you could use your home power to make HHO quite cheaply and bottle it, it will allow much higher volumes of HHO flowing into the engine without creating a drag from the alternator or possible causing it to overheat and fail from such high output. You would just need a regulator to feed the HHO slowly throughout the consumption of the tank.

[wcemichael]

@christo930 DO NOT STORE HHO! A 2 liter bottle full of HHO w/fuse in the cap is about the same as a stick of dynamite (more or less) Hydrogen will burn. HHO is Hydrogen w/PURE Oxyegen and will explode instantly when ignited. Thank you for asking.

This new hookup I am exploring should eliminate the "drag", However you could also have a seperate battery charged with solar panels, Also Thermocouples produce power directly from heat and could charge a battery while the motor is off but sitll hot.

[christo930]

@wcemichael I meant in an appropriate container, but you are probably right in that the equipment to do it correctly would just be cost prohibitive and dangerous.

I thought that thermocouples were largely used to measure temperature differences, I didn't know they could be used to charge a battery, pretty cool.

[wcemichael]

@christo930 If you want to make a cell that sererates the hydrogen and oxyegen and store them seperately that would be okay, but just a spoonfull of HHO soapbubbles is like a firecracker, imagine a whole tank going off.

[wcemichael]

@christo930 The thermocouple idea is just a theory, so far, but techicaly would work. The are small and produce small voltage, but that voltage is powerful enough to make a magnetic field to hold the pilot light on, on a gas device like heater or waterheater. Well, maybe they can be made bigger, or at least they can be stacked. I mean, we're talking about a whole engine, exhaust, and cooling system compaired to a single pilot light. Agian, theory, but should work.

[wordreet]

@christo930 Yeap, the original discovery 200 yrs ago (according to Wiki), the guy didn't realize what it was. And, while it's true that they produce a tiny electric current, the whole world would probably be covered in them by now if they were efficient enough to provide realistic amounts of power. Solar power is obtained via a similar concept, but is only just getting affordable.

[christo930]

@wordreet I have great hope for a few technologies

1) Solar thermal. Solar thermal can help heat your house in the winter and is very inexpensive. Commercial scale solar thermal electric generation plants are very economical, especially in the southwest

2) Biofuels from Algae

3) Off shore wind farms

All of these are co2 neutral, don't divert land from food production, are scalable and reliable and can compete with fossil fuels.

[wordreet]

@christo930 Don't forget biofuel from waste biomass.

[christo930]

@wordreet Yes, excellent point. I have read that some commercial farms are setup to generate electricity for the community from the excrement from their livestock that generate a lot of Methane gas.

[wordreet]

@christo930 Heh! It's a shame they can't capture the methane that the animals belch and fart! ;¬)

[christo930]

@wordreet Many people don't understand the scale of it and just how much methane gas is put in the atmosphere by our livestock. I have read that the dinosaurs themselves raised the global temperature in this very way.

[wordreet]

@christo930 I guess that's because they couldn't read the local papers to see the science articles.

[christo930]

@wordreet They are AGW deniers and scoff at the fact that livestock are contributing to GHG.

[wordreet]

@christo930 It's a proven fact for sure. But yes, plenty deny it.

[christo930]

@wordreet I completely missed the joke in the last part:)

[wordreet]

@christo930 Hahaha! ;¬)

[christo930]

@wordreet !

[wcemichael]

@wordreet Find the movie MAD MAX. BEYOND the THUNDERDOME. Some cities today are collecting pig crap and storing it. The methane comming off the crap is being used to power generators. Methaine comming off of HUGE mountains of collected trash are starting to be used too.

[commanderkruge]

@wcemichael Like, for example, phone numbers? Yes, actually I do.

[wcemichael]

@commanderkruge Well then can I have it?

[commanderkruge]

@wcemichael Sure: Go to randi dot org and click contact.

[wcemichael]

@commanderkruge If you want you can call it bannana pudding. It's the process and results that's whats important.

[commanderkruge]

@wcemichael You know - that's actually correct - so will you be the first HHO promoter ever to actually let scientists test your claims under controlled conditions?

If not: What's your excuse? :)

[wcemichael]

@commanderkruge I'm am willing to let anyone test for themselves what I posted in my videos, that's the point of the videos. You can see for yourselfe. Since I have had to test this myselfe under a shoestring budget, I am limited to the amount of "hoops" I can jump through. I did have a guy in England copy my design and he is getting results too. I have figured out the power problem too. If you care to go to my channel you will see this explanation and link to follow up experiment.

[tobsta30]

how much hho are you making with this setup?  Can you put the tube in a bubbler so we can see please.

[wcemichael]

@tobsta30 I'm not getting that much. A lot of bikes only have enough amps to power whats put on at the factory. I did switch to LED bulbs where useable, but the bottle bearly puts out anythng, and hardly draws anything. I don't need a bubbler because I'm on the other side of the air filter. The other vid you saw can use left over power from the headlight and get more output

[A3Hyzor]

GREAT!!!

[swalker5906]

I like your setup. I've got an old Suzuki GS450L I'd like to give this a whirl on...after I'm finished with the standard rebuild of course...

[wcemichael]

Update on road test. The first time is was using an unknown chemical bought on ebay. My bike went from 30-36.4 MPG. I STOPPED USING IT BECAUSE IT IS POISION AND CAUSTIC AND SOONER OR LATER THE BOTTLE HAS TO BE DUMPED SOMEWHERE AND POSION THE EARTH. DO NOT USE!

Second road test. I use MSG (Mono Sodium Glutimate), that stuff your suppose to avoid in chinese cooking. With this and lowered amps. I went from 30 - 44.1 MPG which I think is pretty amazing

[wheresthelove83]

Hey, I'm trying to do the same thing to a 78 cx500, where do you run the electrical cord from to get the current into the water bottle?

[wcemichael]

@wheresthelove83 Take out the headlight. Use some kind of tester, a light bulb with couple of wires. Hunt for a hot wire when the power is on. Mine has a group of think black wires. with basic connectors protected with clear rubber insulators. I shoved a wire between the connector and insulator. YOU NEED TO SAVE SOME AMPS to do this, Replace most lights with LED bulbs. The tail, the speedo & tach. the front turn signles for now has a piece of tape over the bulbs terminals for the running lights

[wcemichael]

@wheresthelove83 continued... Your not going get a lot. Test to see if your using too much power. I did this with a bulb. Put the light between the power and bolt. If the light BARELY comes on, that's just about right. We're talking about a pinch of baking soda. You could try a old speedo light permantly wired in and use a stronger solution. Most rice burners are not designed to give you ANY extra power. So keep small set of jumper cables with you untill your confident the battery's not draining

[wheresthelove83]

Hey, I'm trying to do the same thing to a 78 cx500, where do you run the electrical cord from to get the current into the water bottle?

[wcemichael]

My comment pop ups don't seem to work right. The results are in. Before my bike was getting 30 MPG. I topped off the tank and drove 35.35 miles. I stopped for gas and topped off again. I used .971 gallons. After doing the math. I am now getting 36.4 MPG. If you factor in the savings, I AM PAYING $3.38/GALLON!!!! instead of $4.17

[Seal6Sniper]

Sweet! Can't wait to hear your test results. Looks very clean too. Nice bike!

[wcemichael]

@Seal6Sniper the results are in!

[wcemichael]

Please leave a comment so I don't think your the government spying on me.

I know it's simple. that's the point!

[Lando7331]

@wcemichael I'm leaving a comment. I love this simple design, but you could use a 'neutral plate' to lower the amp draw... By using a neutral plate/tube the current will jump through to the positive.It will lessen the voltage used and therefore you can then have a taller bottle of stainless steal.more negative suface equalls more amp draw and the neutal plate will help dissolve that problem. 12vdc / 1spaces = 12 volts on ur design, and to be more efficient.....................­..................

[Lando7331]

@wcemichael .............. you will need closer to 2 volts! so: 12vdc / 4spaces(3 neutral plates/tubes) = 3vdc and thus making voltage efficency! now you can increase the size of the production bottle!

[wcemichael]

@Lando7331 The point of the bottle was to create the MOST simplist HHO bottle that the masses could reproduce. Making a neutral plate would be somewhat hard in keeping things simple BUT, I have a way to run the bottles, maybe multile bottles that have 0 resistance by using leftover power. I have an example vid in my collection. Also runnig 2 bottles in series, like batteries in a flashlight, would provide the same neutral effect.