Guys, just because someone who identified as an atheist loses his/her mind and backslides does not PROVE GODS EXIST!!! It simply proves the weakness of intellect of the person who have up reason for insanity.
@misst4tatiana07 Wow, I had to laugh at that. Gods were created at a time where men had no idea how the world worked. We should now. There are atheist because some of us are smart enough to actually get that there are no gods.
To those who do not believe in God and I mean the God of the bible...it is only because you do not have the holy spirit (god's spirit) inside your heart and thus haven't been touched by grace!It is impossible to anyone to understand the true message of the bible otherwise...discussions of any kind are pointless unless the god's spirit opens your eyes
@fanadfilms There is a difference between the material gods like Apollo and the god I believe in. Before you start calling me an idiot and everything read some philosophy, If not then you will remain ignorant.
@bassbass99able I'm 54 years old. I'm a professional writer. I've studied philosophy. Most is empty and hollow. It's been produced by minds too weak to understand the natural world, the one science describes quite well. Give up your fantasies and get with the real.
@bassbass99able It evolved over the course of time in human events when science could not answer the existential questions. Now, science is closing in on answer so many of those questions. Religion answers none of them.
@daNDayati Not ALL christians hold the belief that Non-Christians are angry at God.I struggled for a number of years as to why guilty people seemd to skate out of deserved punishment while innocent babies and toddlers who never hurt any one are afflicted with and die of cancer. Many things I do not understand and I acknowledge that. What I take issue with are atheists who view christians as dim witted mouth breathers. I am an educated man and I do not despise ANYONE for their beliefs.
@TogetherForTacos: if you have anything else to say, just leave it and I'll get it some other time. Even though we don't see eye to eye I will admit that I've really enjoyed talking to you. And I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.
@spirtualthinker- I read through most of your comments here. You actually try to justify slavery in the name of god. you said god has his own "style" of slavery. Also, you meantion that people not respecting the bible will only bring on the end days and the destruction of all we call culture so you all can go to your rainbow slipper-slides and the rest to hell. your evil and sick. this is why atheists have problems with the pious.
@spirtualthinker Youd just be wasting my time... I'd prefer not to have to sit and read ur Baskin Robin's 40 flavors of slavery when it's all still just slavery.
@TogetherForTacos: Rape and genocide is never acceptable. You still haven't told me the difference between murder and killing. Once again, I didn't justify anything. I only tried to explain what the law meant in it's proper context. I have plenty of critical thinking skills because I know how to read things in context. You claimed to have studied the Bible but you are failing to understand the simplest of things.
@TogetherForTacos: Being forced to marry a rapist is not okay with me. That law was written for that society at that time. I didn't justify anything. I only explained what that law meant. You're the one that doesn't believe in God and you're calling me insane? Our morals don't come from empathy. God has written His moral law on our hearts, that's how you know when something isn't morally right (to a degree).
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not trying to make excuses? I'm just calling them how I see it. I don't have to try to justify anything God does because when the Bible is read in proper context, God justifies himself. You still haven't told me the difference between murder and killing.
@TogetherForTacos: The raped Israelite woman only marries here rapist only if she herself wasn't engaged. As punishment for the man, he must marry his victim and can't divorce her. Now that we're on the question of morality, why do you say that rape is wrong? Since God isn't your standard of right and wrong, what is your standard and why should your standard have any say so to begin with?
@TogetherForTacos: Genocide is never OK. God used the Israelites to punish the Canaanites because the Canaanites committed 400 years of wickedness in the eyes of the Lord. After awhile the Israelites began committing the same atrocities as the Canaanites and as a result God used other nations to punish them.
@TogetherForTacos: I've read the Bible cover to cover for the past 4 years. You don't believe in God so how on earth do you believe that you have a proper understanding of the Bible? Show me some laws that say it's okay to rape. There are laws for willing servants and laws for war prisoners taken as servants.
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not trying to justify anything. I know that the book of Joshua was the conquest of Canaan and yes God did command the Israelites to kill the Canaanites, but the Canaanites were not innocent like some people try to portray them to be. All I asked was that you show me where you're getting your info from. How is that irrational? Are you trying to justify that the Canaanites had every right to sacrifice their babies to false gods?
@TogetherForTacos: Where in the bible does it say thou shalt murder in my name? thou shalt rape in my name? thou shalt commit incest in my name? God allowed slavery under certain circumstances but He never told the Israelites to steal men and turn them into slaves. I think you have your slave styles mixed up.
@TogetherForTacos: The stories ARE there in black in white but my question to you is, is that what God taught? God allowed a lot of nasty things to happen but just because something is in the bible doesn't mean that God or Jesus taught it. Jesus did return, He returned in the form of the Gospels and the Bible but I'm waiting for his physical return. I'll wait for 100 years if I have to.
@TogetherForTacos: Before I forget, you do know that the Bible speaks out against rape, incest, genocide (thou shalt not murder), kidnapping (for slaver in this case) and mass murder. I thought you said that you studied the bible?
@TogetherForTacos: For someone that claims to have studied the Bible (I don't mean just read), you sure have all the wrong ideas and impressions. Anyway, I'm glad that the Bible isn't respected anymore either. That just means that my Redeemer is coming to claim His own.
@TogetherForTacos: How did I know that you was going to misinterpret what I said? I didn't say that America was ever a Christian theocracy. I said that the Bible was respected in America once upon a time. Secularism and Humanistic ideas took over and now we believe that God is a distant memory. Keep telling yourself that God isn't real. I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT FOR YOUR SAKE.
@TogetherForTacos: The US has a godly heritage but that is being wiped out by revisionist history. I'm not saying that America was built on the Bible, but once upon a time that book was respected. I'm letting you know right now, the world can look to itself for answers all it wants BUT if you believe anything good is going to come out of it, that's imaginary.
@TogetherForTacos: You know my god is a myth? I don't see how. You couldn't have used science because science can't prove or disprove god. I think you're the one imprisoning yourself into circular logic because your presuppositions want allow you to see beyond your box. Believing in God takes evidence, not blind faith. People go to those fiery pits because they wanted nothing to do with God and He gave them what they wanted.
@TogetherForTacos: Thanking for proving my point. Because we've turned away from God as a nation, we've elected immoral politicians to office, we've allowed bad business deals to take place, and because we decided not to believe in the one true living God we've decided to put our trust in Gold, Oil, and Drugs (GOD). We've learned to trust our misleading hearts and chase after pleasures that don't mean a thing for quick satisfaction.
@TogetherForTacos: If you've studied the Bible (honestly) I doubt you would have come to that conclusion. I've studied (some parts) of the bible for awhile now and the more I read it the more I fall in love with Jesus. You probably went to outside sources first and their words maybe effected your view of the Bible instead of letting God reveal Himself to your first. If that's the conclusion you've came to, fine. But me, if push comes to shove I'm willing to die defending my belief in Christ.
@TogetherForTacos: The evidence for the Hebrew God of the Bible is out there. But, God is not going to just drop the evidence into your lap if you're not willing to honestly consider what is being shown to you. If I don't know anything else about God it is this, He's not going to force Himself upon you. If you don't want anything to do with Him, He will eventually leave you alone.
@TogetherForTacos: Those gods are in the bible, and the nations that worshiped them have been destroyed. The Israelites went into terrible hardships several times for worshiping those false gods and they were even kicked out of their home land. America is a perfect example of what ancient Israel went through. We started out as a godly nation but eventually turned from Him. Now we have problems of our own and I'm letting you know right now that things are not going to get better anytime soon.
@TogetherForTacos: First off, science can't prove or disprove God. So, I don't see how you can automatically come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible hasn't been proven. Also, throughout the Bible God lets us know how we can find Him. If you took the time to actually study His words you just might find him for yourself.
@TogetherForTacos: I don't see where this is going, but I do believe that the Hebrew God of the Bible created the universe. I believe He spoke it into being hints the world UNI = 1 and VERSE = sentence.
@TogetherForTacos: The Hebrew God of the bible has been proven. You can only say that He hasn't been proven based upon what you've seen so far. Creationism doesn't start out with a creator. The evidence for creation points toward a creator.
@TogetherForTacos: I don't think I mentioned anything about cosmology. I never said that evolution explains the origins of life. You read my replies and get the wrong information out of them. I agree that evolution doesn't explain the origins of life. Now, people do try to tie the three together but that is not what I'm trying to do.
@TogetherForTacos: Actually, science proves Creationism. But, since the world is more secular today than ever we go out of our way to get rid of anything that would tie us down to moral obligations. The problem is that Creationism leads to a Creator which is also the law giver. Lots of people (including yourself) go out of their way to fooling yourselves into thinking that the Hebrew God of the bible is a thing of the pass never to be seen nor heard from again.
@TogetherForTacos: I never said nor intended to imply that evolution deals with the origins of life. You read my replies and that is what you're reading into them. Also, I'm saying that the same evidence you see for Evolution is the same evidence I see for Creationism. If you don't want to believe in a Creator fine, that is your right. But, why don't you want science to just prove creationism wrong in the public square? If evolution is true, shouldn't it be able to stand up to creationism?
@TogetherForTacos: I accept the theory of evolution also because it doesn't hinder my personal beliefs. Like you said earlier it only talks about changes in organisms. I just don't believe that billions of organisms came from one organism over a period of billions or millions of years.
@TogetherForTacos: Also, I've noticed you spent a lot of time trying to disprove the gospels for whatever reason. And I've noticed you believed a lot of the things that fit your anti-gospel mind set as well. Now, use that same time and energy to actually read the New Testament and get to know Jesus Christ for yourself.
@TogetherForTacos: Also, if one is based on evidence and the other is based on fact, let science do the talking and let the students decide which one they prefer to follow. LET THE STUDENTS DECIDE. If the evolution theory is true it should be able to stand up to the competition. Instead of trying to silence Creationist in the classroom, JUST LET THE EVIDENCE PROVE THEM WRONG.
@TogetherForTacos: I agree. The evolution theory is based on myths and Creationism is based on facts. If you want to believe that all living things came from one organism, fine. It has yet to be proven but you have every right to believe that. If you want to believe that animals may have some how come from plants or vice versa, fine. It has yet to be proven but you can believe that if you want.
@TogetherForTacos: "What is fair is that no creation mythology is taught as a fact in a legitimate science classroom."
I agree that mythology shouldn't be taught as fact in a legitimate science classroom. They should really ban the evolution theory since after 150 plus years it is still only just a theory. You can't even observe it for goodness sake because the changes takes millions of years according to the experts.
@TogetherForTacos; (continued) if the facts don't favor creationism, then it would only be fair to throw it out ONLY after being fairly examined. If the facts favor evolution, keep it. But if they don't, get rid of it and teach whatever fits the facts. You can't tell me that isn't fair.
@TogetherForTacos: Why should Biblical creation be favored? Because it has the exact same evidence that is used to prove/disprove the theory of evolution. If the other cultural stories have evidence they to are welcomed to the science debate. I know evolution has nothing to do with origins. I'm trying to promote an academic view that invites everyone's theories to the table and we'll begin the process of elimination based upon the facts. (to be continued)
@TogetherForTacos: When I said disciples, I'm wasn't talking about the 11 original disciples. I was referring to the disciples that were taught under the originals. Also, the early church was already gathering the new testament letters 300 years before the bishops came on the scene. What is the evidence for creationism? the same evidence that is used to prove/disprove the evolution theory. Both sides have the same evidence just different interpretations.
@TogetherForTacos: Which version of creationism? The biblical account. Which religion? not the issue. Which god(s)? The God of the bible but that also isn't the issue. Creationism is based on the assumption of a creator and Evolution is based on the assumption of nothing and yet people regard it as science. Evolution tries to explain that all living organisms came from one ancestor. Although this has yet to be proven, people still buy into it. Evolution is more of a myth than Creation.
@TogetherForTacos: Creationism has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ (to a degree). You're trying to combine two topics into one. There are only 4 gospels that the early disciples decided to except and I think you're referring to the gnostic gospels. Please let us save the gospel debate for another day and let us get back to the class room. I'm getting tired and it's messing with my thinking.
@TogetherForTacos: Early Christians had the torah (old testament) and the church letters that make up the new testament. Eventually those letters were assembled into a book and have you noticed how far off topic we got? We went from arguing about creationism in the class room to are the Gospels reliable.
@TogetherForTacos: Instead of me trying to defend something that's not really the issue, please explain to me one more time why Creationism (not Christianity) shouldn't be taught in the classroom along side evolution. Please explain to me why Creationism shouldn't just be exposed for the fraud that it is (if it is a fraud) in the world of science and let science settle the dispute once and for all instead of just out right banning it from the public square.
@TogetherForTacos: No god has ever been proven period? You love your presuppositions don't you? Have you actually not read but studied the gospels? Lets back up for a minute. This started out as you accusing me of trying to promote Christianity in the classroom and I was trying to defend my position. I could argue with you until the cows come home about why everything you saying is wrong and based misinformation. But I can see that I'm not going to convince you.
@spirtualthinker: Instead of me trying to defend something that's not really the issue, please explain to me one more time why Creationism (not Christianity) shouldn't be taught in the classroom along side evolution. Please explain to me why Creationism shouldn't just be exposed for the fraud that it is (if it is a fraud) in the world of science and let science settle the dispute once and for all instead of just out right banning it from the public square.
@TogetherForTacos: With out Biblical scholars we wouldn't have the bible at all? The bible was put together by the first Christian followers way before biblical scholars even came on the seen or the Roman Catholic Church for that matter. The torah (for example) already existed before biblical scholars. We have manuscripts that don't match? How do you know? Have you seen them first hand for yourself? Their you go arguing from presuppositions again.
@TogetherForTacos: No god has ever been proven? There you go arguing from presuppositions. How do you know that no god has ever been proven? You can only say that no god has ever been proven based on what you've seen so far. The God of the Hebrew bible has been proven. Maybe not in anyway that you prefer but He has been proven. But if you're not willing to accept Him anyway, of course no amount of proof is going to satisfy you.
@TogetherForTacos: Why should I care about the words of biblical scholars? I rather stick to the word of God and let Him reveal His revelation to me for Himself. The problem with people like you is that just because someone has a Phd or Dr. in front of their name you automatically assume that they're telling the truth. Okay, the creation account sprung up in other cultures. If that was a problem, I believe that the creation account of the torah would have been done away with long ago.
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not talking about Christian denominations. You're taking this conversation in the wrong direction. FORGET CHURCH DENOMINATIONS I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. Once again if Creationism has facts and evidence (which I think it does), I think those facts and evidence should be placed along side the facts and evidence of evolution and let the students decide for themselves what they want to believe based upon the evidence. Church denominations have nothing to do with it.
@TogetherForTacos: Do me a favor, try to send one response at a time. I'm really having a hard time trying to respond to everything you're sending me.
@TogetherForTacos: If the creation account in Genesis is a ripoff of the Enuma Elish, I will need to see some unbiased documentation before I take your word for it. I believe that multiple cultures have their own versions of the creation story. All that says to me is that multiple cultures believe in the creation account in some way, shape, or form.
@TogetherForTacos: I personally don't care about church denominations. I would rather people focus on accepting Jesus Christ and they can pick their own Christian denomination in their spare time if they choose. Also, I was talking to someone and they couldn't answer my question so maybe you can. Do you believe that Christianity is hindering science and if so, how?
@TogetherForTacos: In some schools the Bible isn't allowed at all. My goal is not to force Jesus on anyone. I just want evolution and creationism taught side by side, I want both sides presented fairly, and I rather let the school students determine where the evidence points for themselves. If students prefer not to believe in a Creator than fine. But I rather they reach that conclusion on their own instead of being spoon fed atheistic presuppositions.
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not saying we should force anything on anyone even though secularism and humanism is being forced on kids in public schools. All I'm saying is that why not look at the evidence and see where it points. Does the evidence point toward Creation or not. If the evidence doesn't point toward creation than fine. But let the students reach that conclusion for themselves instead of spoon feeding them your atheistic presuppositions.
I'm not aware of any Asian religion conniving to sneak their particular brand of faith into the science curriculum at the moment. I heard of cases where the ACLU protected Christians rights also, but it appears Christians only get offended when they defend other religious persuasions. Who is scared of competition again? I've seen Christians wear their crosses and read their bibles at school without any problems. As long as it aint part of the curriculum, fine. I've read the bible in school.
@melowar78: That's because Christianity is the only religion that gives an account of the world's origins. Also, its the only religion that has some science in it if you know where to look. I'm sure the ACLU does protect Christian rights in some cases but most of the time that isn't the case. Anyway we're getting off subject. You still haven't told me in great detail how Christianity is hindering science.
@melowar78 Correction: Judaism and Christianity (maybe Islam but I'm not sure) are the only religions that give an account of the universe's origins and universal laws. I know for a fact that Judaism and Christianity are the only religions that not only gives the origins for the universe and it's laws but Christianity preaches that we will be held accountable to the giver of those laws.
@melowar78: Assuming you're talking to me, my God given purpose is to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and how we can have a personal relationship with the creator of this universe. We are here because God wanted us here. But before I answer the why and go into greater detail you still haven't fully answered my question about how Christianity has hindered science.
@spirtualthinker You're a good example of how Christianity hinders science. America was once leading the world in technological advancement and discovery. Now we're falling by the way side because of insecure and self serving fundamentalists tampering with science education. People like me who really appreciate science, defend it the same way we would defend our drinking water if someone was trying to urinate in it. Not because its our "religion" but because we realize how important it is.
@melowar78: You're a good example of how secularism and atheistic ideas are hindering science. Instead of allowing any and all answers and till those answers are proven wrong, people like you automatically dismiss certain answers because they don't fit your presuppositions. God invites all people to view His work through the lenses of science because He has nothing to hide but since you dismiss God from the start, you've already unwittingly put up road blocks in your own path to true wisdom.
@spirtualthinker "Evolution is just a theory" Well Creationism isn't even a theory. Its just a claim. Creationism = "god did it". OK which one? How did he/she/it do it? What was the process? What is the demonstrable evidence that we can use to test this "theory". Why couldn't evolution possibly be the process that your god used? Why is it so threatening to your god belief? You guys don't seem to take issue with the theory of gravity? Why is evolution threatening and not gravity?
@melowar78: Still avoiding my question. Creationism = "We know God did it and now we're going to see how He did it and maybe we'll even find out why." Genesis tells you how God did what He did. Evolution theory states that living organisms change over time due to mutations and or natural selection. I can see that fitting in with God's work but to a degree. The theory of evolution in proper context isn't threatening. How it's being used to try to explain away God is threatening and dangerous.
@spirtualthinker Genesis doesn't tell us HOW he did it. It just claims WHO did it. What is the demonstrable evidence that we can use to observe, experiment, and test this? Until there is evidence to test this, creationism isn't a workable theory, its just a claim. The purpose of science is to obtain knowledge of the world/universe around us, not to promote anybody's religion. Secularism is what allows FREEDOM OF RELIGION to exist. Gov shouldn't promote or favor any religion over another.
@melowar78: God spoke and things came into being. I don't know how you can test that in a lab but you can't test the theory of evolution in any lab either. You can try to observe evolution in progress but since it takes billions of years to happen (according to the experts) nobody lives long enough to see it. GOD is what allows FREEDOM OF RELIGION to exist because He's not going to force anyone to except Him. You have the FREEDOM to except or not except Him.
@spirtualthinker For the love of god, please actually do some HONEST research on this scientific theory. The way you strawman everything its painfully obvious you don't quite grasp what you're criticizing. I have Christian friends who accept evolution. It doesn't threaten their personal beliefs.
@melowar78: The theory of evolution doesn't threaten my personal beliefs either. I already told you what the theory states and why I believe the theory has some truth in it. My concerns are with how it's applied and understood. Did God use evolution to get big dogs from little dogs? I think He did but did He use evolution to get cats from dogs? I don't think so. The theory also doesn't explain the origins of life, just how organisms change over time.
@spirtualthinker "cats from dogs" This is what I'm talking about. You do not understand evolution. If a dog gave birth to a cat, THAT WOULD DISPROVE EVOLUTION COMPLETELY!!!! I don't know what denomination of Christianity my friends are in. There is an estimated 33,000 sects of Christianity alone. Each claiming to be "more" Christian then the other. This is the perfect example WHY separation of church and state is so vital. No one wants to be under control from another's faith.
@melowar78: Evolutionist try to prove that everything came from one common ancestor. Some evolutionist think just because something looks alike or just because something might have close to the same number of chromosomes, they must be related. All I was asking is that Creationism be put BACK into school so that the kids can get both sides of the tale and draw their own conclusion. (to be continued)
@melowar78: (continued) Science is a lot like detective work. When working a case, you don't assume you already know what happened and who the culprit is. You're suppose to let the evidence lead you to the culprit. If someone doesn't want to believe in God that is their God-given right. All I'm saying is lets look at the evidence and see which way it leads but how can that happen if people like you are afraid to let other people hear both sides of the tale because of your presuppositions?
@melowar78: You also mentioned that I'm using straw man arguments. If I am, please began pointing them out so that I may correct my errors. Thank you.
@melowar78 By the way, are your friends bible believing, born again, willing to lay down their lives for Christ Christians or do they say that they're Christian but live like the rest of the world? Believe it or not there is a difference. When I say bible believing, I don't mean that they think some parts of the bible are true. I mean they believe (even though they can't explain everything) that the bible is 100% true.
@melowar78 Correction: evolutionist try to prove that every LIVING thing came from one single organism. The way they tell it, cats did come from dogs and monkeys came from plants and people came from stars or something similar to this.
@melowar78: Also, I didn't ask about your friend's Christian denomination. I don't care about that. I was asking do they believe in the bible 100% or do they believe that some parts are true? Are they born again in Christ Jesus? Do they try to live a Christian life style or do they behave like the rest of the world? Are they willing to lay down their lives for Jesus (if it came to that)?
@melowar78: And, I'm not trying to promote Christianity in the classrooms. All I'm saying is let people see both sides of the story and let them draw their own conclusions. What I'm trying to promote (in a way) is free thought and the freedom to choose. How can people choose if people like you are not willing to let both sides of the argument be heard. What's the matter? Atheist don't like competition?
@melowar78: If gov shouldn't promote or favor any religion over another, why is the American government favoring secularist/humanistic religions over Christianity? If you're some eastern Asian religion or earth religion, the gov tries it's best to be PC and not offend but the minute a student brings a bible to class, ACLU to the rescue. Did you know that the Bible was a standard reading textbook in America's early school systems? People learned how to read and write using the Bible AT SCHOOL.
@melowar78: Creationism is also a theory but Humanist/Secularists don't like the competition. I don't understand how some people believe that nothing created everything and call it smart science. The evolution theory can't explain the origins of life. It only tries to explain how living species progress. Once again, evolution theory isn't threatening to my faith. I only question how the theory is being applied and used.
@melowar78 Also, my God given purpose is to love the Lord with every fiber of my being and to love my neighbor (others) as I love myself. Just think how much better this world would be if everyone woke up in the morning and said to themselves how can I love my neighbor today.
@spirtualthinker So being a submissive servant is the "grand" purpose of a Christians life? lol Wow I personally find that amazingly lame and sad but hey if that is what makes you happy so be it. But that doesn't appeal to me too much. Think I'll pass on the Christianity gig. Take care now.
@melowar78: How are you dismissing me when you didn't even answer my question? All you did was offer a half baked answer and than began beating around the bush but why am I'm not surprised? Typical atheist I guess. Anyway I'm choosing to be a servant because I love my Lord and I love people. Just like Jesus willingly laid down His life for me, I'm willing to laid down my life for Him in return. You can have this earthly life and everything that comes with it. I'm hoping for something better.
If their was a large herd of idiots who were forcing their "Unicornian" beliefs and laws on me through government policy, hindering scientific progress because it was inconveniently contradictive to Unicornian claims, Unicornian preachers getting away with stealing money from gullible followers (e.t.c.) then we atheists would be out spoken against Unicorneism. But we don't because their isn't any Unicornists doing these things. There is no irony with atheist anger.
@melowar78: How is modern Christianity hindering scientific progress? Criminals steal money from people religious and non-religious alike so what's your point? If anything, secular and humanistic ideas are winning the war for people's minds because Christianity in America is becoming less of a relationship with Jesus and more of a religion. Where are you getting your info from? Are you doing research or just quoting what someone else is saying?
@spirtualthinker Prohibiting stem-cell research. Trying to force creationism into the science curriculum would be the most recent examples of hindering scientific progress. Christianity is a religion. Always has been. You have as much of a "relationship" with Jesus as I do with Elvis Presley. One less tool for televangelists to swindle peoples money is a good thing in my eyes. DJ's feigned puzzlement over atheists anger over "god" and not unicorns is intelligently dishonest and annoying
@melowar78: Scientist don't need to kill unborn babies for stem cells. I heard that there are ways they can get around that and continue with their research. Creationism was in schools but secularism forced it out. All we're trying to do is get the students to look at both sides of the story or are atheist afraid of the competition? Swindlers will always swindle via in the name of religion or anything else. If anything, secularism/humanism is the reason science isn't going any where.
@melowar78: Also, stem cell research and trying to get creationism back in schools are the only things you can come up with? I think the world of science will continue with or without murdering unborn babies for their stem cells and will excel with lighting speed if we stop telling our kids that everything came from nothing, morals have no real meaning, there's no such thing as absolute truth, and this life was meant to be a party because when you die.....you're just dead.
@spirtualthinker Your ignorance is disturbing. Science is not a religion, its not based around faith. Its based on observable and testable evidence. It studies the process of how things work in the natural world. It doesn't have nothing to do with the "who". Creationism is based on faith. Sorry but there is no evidence to creationism. Schools should teach facts. Churches deals with faith. I'm sorry but one day you will die. Believing in fairy tales isn't going to change that.
@melowar78 I can say the same for you and everything you just said in your reply. Believing that all living creatures somehow evolved from one another and the earth being billions of years old is also based on faith. The question is: who's word are you going to believe? The person that was actually their (God) OR what man thinks happened?
Anyway, back to my original question. Because of Christianity science hasn't been able to do ______ (fill in the blank)
@melowar78: Also, I never said nor meant to imply that science is a religion. Science is just man's way of observing the world around us but science doesn't tackle life's biggest questions such as why are we here and what is our purpose. In my opinion, Atheist/secularist/humanist have turned science into a religion.
@melowar78 By the way, a unicorn is a one horned Asian/Indian rhino. There is a video on youtube about what Christians think unicorns are. Christians didn't invent the concept that a unicorn is a horse with a horn on it's head and can fly. I think that started in Greek mythology.
@Democrate4Life No, actually Hitler hated Chrisitianity, he only appealed to the Bible and pretended to be doing the Lords work because 90% of Germany was Christian.
@Ronniecob40 Do you have any evidence that Hitler hated Christianity? In his famous book "Mein Kamf" he justified his fight against the Jews as his "duty to god". And that "Jews killed Jesus" blah blah blah (e.t.c.) And even IF that was true (which I highly doubt), it only proves how religion is used to manipulate the masses.
DJ you seem to be boring the flock with your negative sermon. You really lost their confidence with that cute little story with the lightening bolt and god speaking. Don't you think that was stretching a bit? I'm sure a very large number of the followers left the building with their emotions literally tattered from this beat down of fellow human beings. Look at the faces.
@MisterDoctorE Not to be picky, but I doubt religion originated as a tool for control. Regardless of the fact that it has been so many times, I suspect, as do many others, that it began as a way for an increasingly intelligent being to explain his surroundings.
That said, I hope your are right. We are slowly moving away from superstition bullshit.
@1776iscoming I don't suppose I need to but I will add that bribase is correct. You misunderstand evolution and abiogensis. Please study before commenting.
More importantly, evolution doesn't play into atheism. It is a separate topic all together. If we discovered some fossil today that disproved all evolutionary science, I still wouldn't believe in a God. Most atheists prob. feel the same.
Just because evo is false, the thousands of different religions are not necessarily true.
Atheists only seem threatening and angry because your mind cannot comprehend the fact that you are believing in a childish fairy tale and we don't share your belief. You are simply embarrassed and angry that we don't prop up your superstitions. Poor you!
No, "atheists" are angry and miserable because they are trying to convince themselves of something which contradicts what they know in their hearts to be true. Speaking of fairy tales by the way, is there a more childish and immature belief than believing your ancestor crawled out of a pond or that your relatives are down at zoo flinging poop at each other?
@1776iscoming - What a Peter Pan attitude! Your 'heart' is purely emotional. Reality is what it is. It is an established scientific fact that we evolved from lesser mammals. Why don't you put down your creepy book of monstrous fairy tales and read a science book?
@1776iscoming Of course, flippantly exposing your lack of education on the subject of biology is the height of maturity. Oh... and as long as you're in the business of making things up about what you think atheists actually believe; Fine, you're an atheist as well, "in your heart" that is. Do you see how stupid and pointless it is to straw man each other's position? You would do well to try an understand what atheism actually entails if you seek to refute it.
Oh I understand biology just fine, probably even more so than you, I've spent plenty of time in college, learned what it took to get good grades then passed it off for the nonsense it is. The mere fact that you are on a Christian preacher's video shows me that you are trying very hard to bury the truth that is in your heart.
@1776iscoming Yes... Bioloigy is nonsense. Hence the fact that the life span of the average human being has almost doubled since we've began to gain an understanding of life sciences through medecine. 1776, it's quite clear that you have not understood the point of my message. Instead of simply presuming that we all believe in your god, try to avoid what David Jeremiah did and address the claims that atheists make. Don't pretend that we don't really exist, it's asinine.
Don't equate solid, provable science with evolution, you know exactly what I was talking about. I spoke to quite a few "atheists" when I was in the Army and college, each and every time, whether it took a few minutes or a few years to come out, it always had to do with being offended at God's moral standard, it had little to do with evidence.
@1776iscoming And this is where you are dead wrong about science. No scientist is in the business of "proving" things. What we do is look at the evidence to see what theories and models are supportable based on their explanitory power. In the light of sufficient evidence against evolution, every respectable biologist would stop supporting the theory. As for your anecdote, for the record I do have a problem with the morals of your book. I don't endorse slavery, genocide or human sacrifice.
one more before I leave this garbage page ... the story about the man praying and getting god to act. IT DID NOT HAPPEN! You make shit up and think that proves or means a thing ... I cant listen to any more of this garbage.
@givingmantoo That wasn't presented as a true story. But it was meant to prove a point. It is a point that I assume you don't care to know about so I am not going to bother to explain it.
@jbear0000 Of course it was not true, no shit. The point it was trying to prove is bullshit, making up stories to prove points that are really just strawman is just stupid on top of stupid.
@givingmantoo It is not a strawman, do you even understand what the point of that story was? It was to a method to show the way many Atheists act when they come face to face with the truth of God and all of the evidence that He is real.
@jbear0000 It is absolutely a straw man. Method my ass .. it was a made up bullshit story, that illustrated that you guys have to make shit up, because you have nothing in reality to work with. There has NEVER been a case where a voice from heaven made such declarations, and you could not possibly know what anyone would do in such a situation.
what stupidity ... when do groups of people go around telling us to turn or burn in the name of their UNICORN? Sorry, but this sermon is just rotten with ignorance and strawman arguments ... you dumb asses have no fucking idea what the problem is
@jbear0000 Yea I am sure you would say "your just one of the angry blacks" after calling a black man the "N" word and talking about raping his mother ... idiot
@givingmantoo No one called anyone a name similar to the "N" word and no one said anything about a crime similar to rape, so why are you angry? Why are all the Atheists angry everywhere else in the world? The way you are acting proves his point. It is even further proof that God really does exist. Maybe that is why you are angry, because there is nothing you can do to disprove God and even your anger further proves He is real.
@jbear0000 You see, when an anology is made to show my point you get all butt hurt about it. You simply are too closed minded and brainwashed to hear anything anyone else has to say. You want your beliefs to be true so badly, that you will hear exactly what you want. Regardless of what is really being said, you are not asking why I am angry (I am not) you are telling your self "angry atheist" so you will be sure you keep that bullshit stuck in your head.
@givingmantoo When you are swearing and insulting people, you portray yourself as an angry atheist, go back and read your first comment again, it is full of anger and hatred. You may not be angry now, but in your other comments you either were angry or you acted angry.
And no, I am not brainwashed and closed minded. I have looked into other possibilities and when comparing evolution vs. creation, creation makes a lot more sense and I have experienced God working in my own life. He is real.
Well we fight not flesh and blood but powers and principalities and wickedness in high places. Don't take it personal it's just spiritual warfare. The more satan goes crzy the more I know our redemtion draweth nigh! \0/ I am lookin up! \0/
changes not for the better? He means changes that are not the changes he wants ... angry atheist well thats a person who dares speak his mind, then you get uspest when you do not like the reply. You shits go about every day saying what ever you want, and then cant take your own medicine. Jerry falwel was a fat lying crook.
changes not for the better? He means changes that are not the changes he wants ... angry atheist well thats a person who dares speak his mind, then get uspest when does not like the reply. You shits go about every day saying what ever you want, and then cant take your own medicine. Jerry falwel was a fat lying crook.
There are no atheists, there are people who pretend like God doesn't exist in order to somehow escape God's moral standard. There has never been a human that has walked this earth that truly believe in his/her heart that God doesn't exist(Romans 1).
You wouldn't be viewing this video if you didn't care. Fact is that everybody knows God exists, and truly believe that all people know that Christianity is authentic. Just look which faith "atheists" attack the most.
@1776iscoming What a load of bullshit. You just keep telling yourself those lies, the only way you can keep the brainwashing in tact, is by constant reinforcement. What a moron you are ...
@1776iscoming There are many reasons that anyone would veiw a video. You are quite narrow minded to assume there is ONE reason, then impose that on someone. This is part of the problem, Christians are too narrow minded and black and white to understand anything outside their box. The second part of the problem, is that you will hear what you need to. Just as you guy like to read meaning into the bible, you also read meaning into things people say. All so you can fee justified
We're not angry at a god; we're angry at YOU.
fanadfilms 3 weeks ago
Guys, just because someone who identified as an atheist loses his/her mind and backslides does not PROVE GODS EXIST!!! It simply proves the weakness of intellect of the person who have up reason for insanity.
fanadfilms 3 weeks ago
We have never truly been tolerant. We had no choice because your side wanted us burned at the stake.
fanadfilms 3 weeks ago
@misst4tatiana07 Wow, I had to laugh at that. Gods were created at a time where men had no idea how the world worked. We should now. There are atheist because some of us are smart enough to actually get that there are no gods.
fanadfilms 3 weeks ago
No reading from the Bible untill the very end?
andrewmarcus91 2 months ago
To those who do not believe in God and I mean the God of the bible...it is only because you do not have the holy spirit (god's spirit) inside your heart and thus haven't been touched by grace!It is impossible to anyone to understand the true message of the bible otherwise...discussions of any kind are pointless unless the god's spirit opens your eyes
calientemamasita 3 months ago
@calientemamasita You are right, I was a former atheist. but have since become spiritual.
bassbass99able 2 months ago
@bassbass99able Please. So, now you worship trees?
fanadfilms 3 weeks ago
@fanadfilms There is a difference between the material gods like Apollo and the god I believe in. Before you start calling me an idiot and everything read some philosophy, If not then you will remain ignorant.
bassbass99able 3 weeks ago
@bassbass99able I'm 54 years old. I'm a professional writer. I've studied philosophy. Most is empty and hollow. It's been produced by minds too weak to understand the natural world, the one science describes quite well. Give up your fantasies and get with the real.
fanadfilms 2 weeks ago
@fanadfilms do you have an argument for why?
bassbass99able 1 week ago
@bassbass99able Why What?
fanadfilms 1 week ago
@fanadfilms why philosophy is "empty and hollow"?
bassbass99able 1 week ago
@bassbass99able It evolved over the course of time in human events when science could not answer the existential questions. Now, science is closing in on answer so many of those questions. Religion answers none of them.
fanadfilms 1 week ago
@fanadfilms I don't think you have been reading the right kinds of philosophy then
bassbass99able 1 week ago
@bassbass99able Well, that must just be the answer. I just have to find the right philosophy. Really? That's the best you have?
fanadfilms 1 week ago
@daNDayati Not ALL christians hold the belief that Non-Christians are angry at God.I struggled for a number of years as to why guilty people seemd to skate out of deserved punishment while innocent babies and toddlers who never hurt any one are afflicted with and die of cancer. Many things I do not understand and I acknowledge that. What I take issue with are atheists who view christians as dim witted mouth breathers. I am an educated man and I do not despise ANYONE for their beliefs.
borecleaner1 4 months ago
It's not enough that xtians believe in god, they want me to believe as well.
See, it's a 2-way street.
We'er just counter-balancing what you do.
It's only fair...stop whining.
twosquirrelly 4 months ago
17 dislikes at this point are angry atheist.
George0025 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: if you have anything else to say, just leave it and I'll get it some other time. Even though we don't see eye to eye I will admit that I've really enjoyed talking to you. And I'm sorry if I offended you in any way.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker- I read through most of your comments here. You actually try to justify slavery in the name of god. you said god has his own "style" of slavery. Also, you meantion that people not respecting the bible will only bring on the end days and the destruction of all we call culture so you all can go to your rainbow slipper-slides and the rest to hell. your evil and sick. this is why atheists have problems with the pious.
ashleysloop 4 months ago
@ashleysloop: Are you interested in hearing what the bible really has to say about slavery (of all kinds) or will I just be wasting your time?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker Youd just be wasting my time... I'd prefer not to have to sit and read ur Baskin Robin's 40 flavors of slavery when it's all still just slavery.
ashleysloop 1 week ago
@TogetherForTacos: Rape and genocide is never acceptable. You still haven't told me the difference between murder and killing. Once again, I didn't justify anything. I only tried to explain what the law meant in it's proper context. I have plenty of critical thinking skills because I know how to read things in context. You claimed to have studied the Bible but you are failing to understand the simplest of things.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Being forced to marry a rapist is not okay with me. That law was written for that society at that time. I didn't justify anything. I only explained what that law meant. You're the one that doesn't believe in God and you're calling me insane? Our morals don't come from empathy. God has written His moral law on our hearts, that's how you know when something isn't morally right (to a degree).
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not trying to make excuses? I'm just calling them how I see it. I don't have to try to justify anything God does because when the Bible is read in proper context, God justifies himself. You still haven't told me the difference between murder and killing.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: The raped Israelite woman only marries here rapist only if she herself wasn't engaged. As punishment for the man, he must marry his victim and can't divorce her. Now that we're on the question of morality, why do you say that rape is wrong? Since God isn't your standard of right and wrong, what is your standard and why should your standard have any say so to begin with?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Genocide is never OK. God used the Israelites to punish the Canaanites because the Canaanites committed 400 years of wickedness in the eyes of the Lord. After awhile the Israelites began committing the same atrocities as the Canaanites and as a result God used other nations to punish them.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I've read the Bible cover to cover for the past 4 years. You don't believe in God so how on earth do you believe that you have a proper understanding of the Bible? Show me some laws that say it's okay to rape. There are laws for willing servants and laws for war prisoners taken as servants.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: You still haven't told me what's the difference between killing and murder.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not trying to justify anything. I know that the book of Joshua was the conquest of Canaan and yes God did command the Israelites to kill the Canaanites, but the Canaanites were not innocent like some people try to portray them to be. All I asked was that you show me where you're getting your info from. How is that irrational? Are you trying to justify that the Canaanites had every right to sacrifice their babies to false gods?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Where in the bible does it say thou shalt murder in my name? thou shalt rape in my name? thou shalt commit incest in my name? God allowed slavery under certain circumstances but He never told the Israelites to steal men and turn them into slaves. I think you have your slave styles mixed up.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Whats the difference between killing and murder?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: The stories ARE there in black in white but my question to you is, is that what God taught? God allowed a lot of nasty things to happen but just because something is in the bible doesn't mean that God or Jesus taught it. Jesus did return, He returned in the form of the Gospels and the Bible but I'm waiting for his physical return. I'll wait for 100 years if I have to.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Before I forget, you do know that the Bible speaks out against rape, incest, genocide (thou shalt not murder), kidnapping (for slaver in this case) and mass murder. I thought you said that you studied the bible?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: For someone that claims to have studied the Bible (I don't mean just read), you sure have all the wrong ideas and impressions. Anyway, I'm glad that the Bible isn't respected anymore either. That just means that my Redeemer is coming to claim His own.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: How did I know that you was going to misinterpret what I said? I didn't say that America was ever a Christian theocracy. I said that the Bible was respected in America once upon a time. Secularism and Humanistic ideas took over and now we believe that God is a distant memory. Keep telling yourself that God isn't real. I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT FOR YOUR SAKE.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: The US has a godly heritage but that is being wiped out by revisionist history. I'm not saying that America was built on the Bible, but once upon a time that book was respected. I'm letting you know right now, the world can look to itself for answers all it wants BUT if you believe anything good is going to come out of it, that's imaginary.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: You know my god is a myth? I don't see how. You couldn't have used science because science can't prove or disprove god. I think you're the one imprisoning yourself into circular logic because your presuppositions want allow you to see beyond your box. Believing in God takes evidence, not blind faith. People go to those fiery pits because they wanted nothing to do with God and He gave them what they wanted.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Once again, sorry for any misspellings.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Thanking for proving my point. Because we've turned away from God as a nation, we've elected immoral politicians to office, we've allowed bad business deals to take place, and because we decided not to believe in the one true living God we've decided to put our trust in Gold, Oil, and Drugs (GOD). We've learned to trust our misleading hearts and chase after pleasures that don't mean a thing for quick satisfaction.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: If you've studied the Bible (honestly) I doubt you would have come to that conclusion. I've studied (some parts) of the bible for awhile now and the more I read it the more I fall in love with Jesus. You probably went to outside sources first and their words maybe effected your view of the Bible instead of letting God reveal Himself to your first. If that's the conclusion you've came to, fine. But me, if push comes to shove I'm willing to die defending my belief in Christ.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: The evidence for the Hebrew God of the Bible is out there. But, God is not going to just drop the evidence into your lap if you're not willing to honestly consider what is being shown to you. If I don't know anything else about God it is this, He's not going to force Himself upon you. If you don't want anything to do with Him, He will eventually leave you alone.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Those gods are in the bible, and the nations that worshiped them have been destroyed. The Israelites went into terrible hardships several times for worshiping those false gods and they were even kicked out of their home land. America is a perfect example of what ancient Israel went through. We started out as a godly nation but eventually turned from Him. Now we have problems of our own and I'm letting you know right now that things are not going to get better anytime soon.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: First off, science can't prove or disprove God. So, I don't see how you can automatically come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible hasn't been proven. Also, throughout the Bible God lets us know how we can find Him. If you took the time to actually study His words you just might find him for yourself.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: sorry about any misspellings. My mind is growing fatigued.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I don't see where this is going, but I do believe that the Hebrew God of the Bible created the universe. I believe He spoke it into being hints the world UNI = 1 and VERSE = sentence.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: The Hebrew God of the bible has been proven. You can only say that He hasn't been proven based upon what you've seen so far. Creationism doesn't start out with a creator. The evidence for creation points toward a creator.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I don't think I mentioned anything about cosmology. I never said that evolution explains the origins of life. You read my replies and get the wrong information out of them. I agree that evolution doesn't explain the origins of life. Now, people do try to tie the three together but that is not what I'm trying to do.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Actually, science proves Creationism. But, since the world is more secular today than ever we go out of our way to get rid of anything that would tie us down to moral obligations. The problem is that Creationism leads to a Creator which is also the law giver. Lots of people (including yourself) go out of their way to fooling yourselves into thinking that the Hebrew God of the bible is a thing of the pass never to be seen nor heard from again.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I never said nor intended to imply that evolution deals with the origins of life. You read my replies and that is what you're reading into them. Also, I'm saying that the same evidence you see for Evolution is the same evidence I see for Creationism. If you don't want to believe in a Creator fine, that is your right. But, why don't you want science to just prove creationism wrong in the public square? If evolution is true, shouldn't it be able to stand up to creationism?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I accept the theory of evolution also because it doesn't hinder my personal beliefs. Like you said earlier it only talks about changes in organisms. I just don't believe that billions of organisms came from one organism over a period of billions or millions of years.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Also, I've noticed you spent a lot of time trying to disprove the gospels for whatever reason. And I've noticed you believed a lot of the things that fit your anti-gospel mind set as well. Now, use that same time and energy to actually read the New Testament and get to know Jesus Christ for yourself.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Also, if one is based on evidence and the other is based on fact, let science do the talking and let the students decide which one they prefer to follow. LET THE STUDENTS DECIDE. If the evolution theory is true it should be able to stand up to the competition. Instead of trying to silence Creationist in the classroom, JUST LET THE EVIDENCE PROVE THEM WRONG.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I agree. The evolution theory is based on myths and Creationism is based on facts. If you want to believe that all living things came from one organism, fine. It has yet to be proven but you have every right to believe that. If you want to believe that animals may have some how come from plants or vice versa, fine. It has yet to be proven but you can believe that if you want.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: "What is fair is that no creation mythology is taught as a fact in a legitimate science classroom."
I agree that mythology shouldn't be taught as fact in a legitimate science classroom. They should really ban the evolution theory since after 150 plus years it is still only just a theory. You can't even observe it for goodness sake because the changes takes millions of years according to the experts.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: The same evidence that backs the theory of evolution also backs creationism. Same evidence depending on interpretation.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos; (continued) if the facts don't favor creationism, then it would only be fair to throw it out ONLY after being fairly examined. If the facts favor evolution, keep it. But if they don't, get rid of it and teach whatever fits the facts. You can't tell me that isn't fair.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Why should Biblical creation be favored? Because it has the exact same evidence that is used to prove/disprove the theory of evolution. If the other cultural stories have evidence they to are welcomed to the science debate. I know evolution has nothing to do with origins. I'm trying to promote an academic view that invites everyone's theories to the table and we'll begin the process of elimination based upon the facts. (to be continued)
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: When I said disciples, I'm wasn't talking about the 11 original disciples. I was referring to the disciples that were taught under the originals. Also, the early church was already gathering the new testament letters 300 years before the bishops came on the scene. What is the evidence for creationism? the same evidence that is used to prove/disprove the evolution theory. Both sides have the same evidence just different interpretations.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Which version of creationism? The biblical account. Which religion? not the issue. Which god(s)? The God of the bible but that also isn't the issue. Creationism is based on the assumption of a creator and Evolution is based on the assumption of nothing and yet people regard it as science. Evolution tries to explain that all living organisms came from one ancestor. Although this has yet to be proven, people still buy into it. Evolution is more of a myth than Creation.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Creationism has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ (to a degree). You're trying to combine two topics into one. There are only 4 gospels that the early disciples decided to except and I think you're referring to the gnostic gospels. Please let us save the gospel debate for another day and let us get back to the class room. I'm getting tired and it's messing with my thinking.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Early Christians had the torah (old testament) and the church letters that make up the new testament. Eventually those letters were assembled into a book and have you noticed how far off topic we got? We went from arguing about creationism in the class room to are the Gospels reliable.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Instead of me trying to defend something that's not really the issue, please explain to me one more time why Creationism (not Christianity) shouldn't be taught in the classroom along side evolution. Please explain to me why Creationism shouldn't just be exposed for the fraud that it is (if it is a fraud) in the world of science and let science settle the dispute once and for all instead of just out right banning it from the public square.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: No god has ever been proven period? You love your presuppositions don't you? Have you actually not read but studied the gospels? Lets back up for a minute. This started out as you accusing me of trying to promote Christianity in the classroom and I was trying to defend my position. I could argue with you until the cows come home about why everything you saying is wrong and based misinformation. But I can see that I'm not going to convince you.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker: Instead of me trying to defend something that's not really the issue, please explain to me one more time why Creationism (not Christianity) shouldn't be taught in the classroom along side evolution. Please explain to me why Creationism shouldn't just be exposed for the fraud that it is (if it is a fraud) in the world of science and let science settle the dispute once and for all instead of just out right banning it from the public square.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: With out Biblical scholars we wouldn't have the bible at all? The bible was put together by the first Christian followers way before biblical scholars even came on the seen or the Roman Catholic Church for that matter. The torah (for example) already existed before biblical scholars. We have manuscripts that don't match? How do you know? Have you seen them first hand for yourself? Their you go arguing from presuppositions again.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: No god has ever been proven? There you go arguing from presuppositions. How do you know that no god has ever been proven? You can only say that no god has ever been proven based on what you've seen so far. The God of the Hebrew bible has been proven. Maybe not in anyway that you prefer but He has been proven. But if you're not willing to accept Him anyway, of course no amount of proof is going to satisfy you.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Why should I care about the words of biblical scholars? I rather stick to the word of God and let Him reveal His revelation to me for Himself. The problem with people like you is that just because someone has a Phd or Dr. in front of their name you automatically assume that they're telling the truth. Okay, the creation account sprung up in other cultures. If that was a problem, I believe that the creation account of the torah would have been done away with long ago.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not talking about Christian denominations. You're taking this conversation in the wrong direction. FORGET CHURCH DENOMINATIONS I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. Once again if Creationism has facts and evidence (which I think it does), I think those facts and evidence should be placed along side the facts and evidence of evolution and let the students decide for themselves what they want to believe based upon the evidence. Church denominations have nothing to do with it.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: Do me a favor, try to send one response at a time. I'm really having a hard time trying to respond to everything you're sending me.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: If the creation account in Genesis is a ripoff of the Enuma Elish, I will need to see some unbiased documentation before I take your word for it. I believe that multiple cultures have their own versions of the creation story. All that says to me is that multiple cultures believe in the creation account in some way, shape, or form.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I personally don't care about church denominations. I would rather people focus on accepting Jesus Christ and they can pick their own Christian denomination in their spare time if they choose. Also, I was talking to someone and they couldn't answer my question so maybe you can. Do you believe that Christianity is hindering science and if so, how?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: In some schools the Bible isn't allowed at all. My goal is not to force Jesus on anyone. I just want evolution and creationism taught side by side, I want both sides presented fairly, and I rather let the school students determine where the evidence points for themselves. If students prefer not to believe in a Creator than fine. But I rather they reach that conclusion on their own instead of being spoon fed atheistic presuppositions.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@TogetherForTacos: I'm not saying we should force anything on anyone even though secularism and humanism is being forced on kids in public schools. All I'm saying is that why not look at the evidence and see where it points. Does the evidence point toward Creation or not. If the evidence doesn't point toward creation than fine. But let the students reach that conclusion for themselves instead of spoon feeding them your atheistic presuppositions.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
I'm not aware of any Asian religion conniving to sneak their particular brand of faith into the science curriculum at the moment. I heard of cases where the ACLU protected Christians rights also, but it appears Christians only get offended when they defend other religious persuasions. Who is scared of competition again? I've seen Christians wear their crosses and read their bibles at school without any problems. As long as it aint part of the curriculum, fine. I've read the bible in school.
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: That's because Christianity is the only religion that gives an account of the world's origins. Also, its the only religion that has some science in it if you know where to look. I'm sure the ACLU does protect Christian rights in some cases but most of the time that isn't the case. Anyway we're getting off subject. You still haven't told me in great detail how Christianity is hindering science.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78 Correction: Judaism and Christianity (maybe Islam but I'm not sure) are the only religions that give an account of the universe's origins and universal laws. I know for a fact that Judaism and Christianity are the only religions that not only gives the origins for the universe and it's laws but Christianity preaches that we will be held accountable to the giver of those laws.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
Interesting. What purpose does this god give you? Why are we here?
melowar78 5 months ago
@melowar78: Assuming you're talking to me, my God given purpose is to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and how we can have a personal relationship with the creator of this universe. We are here because God wanted us here. But before I answer the why and go into greater detail you still haven't fully answered my question about how Christianity has hindered science.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker You're a good example of how Christianity hinders science. America was once leading the world in technological advancement and discovery. Now we're falling by the way side because of insecure and self serving fundamentalists tampering with science education. People like me who really appreciate science, defend it the same way we would defend our drinking water if someone was trying to urinate in it. Not because its our "religion" but because we realize how important it is.
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: You're a good example of how secularism and atheistic ideas are hindering science. Instead of allowing any and all answers and till those answers are proven wrong, people like you automatically dismiss certain answers because they don't fit your presuppositions. God invites all people to view His work through the lenses of science because He has nothing to hide but since you dismiss God from the start, you've already unwittingly put up road blocks in your own path to true wisdom.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker "Evolution is just a theory" Well Creationism isn't even a theory. Its just a claim. Creationism = "god did it". OK which one? How did he/she/it do it? What was the process? What is the demonstrable evidence that we can use to test this "theory". Why couldn't evolution possibly be the process that your god used? Why is it so threatening to your god belief? You guys don't seem to take issue with the theory of gravity? Why is evolution threatening and not gravity?
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: Still avoiding my question. Creationism = "We know God did it and now we're going to see how He did it and maybe we'll even find out why." Genesis tells you how God did what He did. Evolution theory states that living organisms change over time due to mutations and or natural selection. I can see that fitting in with God's work but to a degree. The theory of evolution in proper context isn't threatening. How it's being used to try to explain away God is threatening and dangerous.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker Genesis doesn't tell us HOW he did it. It just claims WHO did it. What is the demonstrable evidence that we can use to observe, experiment, and test this? Until there is evidence to test this, creationism isn't a workable theory, its just a claim. The purpose of science is to obtain knowledge of the world/universe around us, not to promote anybody's religion. Secularism is what allows FREEDOM OF RELIGION to exist. Gov shouldn't promote or favor any religion over another.
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: God spoke and things came into being. I don't know how you can test that in a lab but you can't test the theory of evolution in any lab either. You can try to observe evolution in progress but since it takes billions of years to happen (according to the experts) nobody lives long enough to see it. GOD is what allows FREEDOM OF RELIGION to exist because He's not going to force anyone to except Him. You have the FREEDOM to except or not except Him.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker For the love of god, please actually do some HONEST research on this scientific theory. The way you strawman everything its painfully obvious you don't quite grasp what you're criticizing. I have Christian friends who accept evolution. It doesn't threaten their personal beliefs.
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: The theory of evolution doesn't threaten my personal beliefs either. I already told you what the theory states and why I believe the theory has some truth in it. My concerns are with how it's applied and understood. Did God use evolution to get big dogs from little dogs? I think He did but did He use evolution to get cats from dogs? I don't think so. The theory also doesn't explain the origins of life, just how organisms change over time.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker "cats from dogs" This is what I'm talking about. You do not understand evolution. If a dog gave birth to a cat, THAT WOULD DISPROVE EVOLUTION COMPLETELY!!!! I don't know what denomination of Christianity my friends are in. There is an estimated 33,000 sects of Christianity alone. Each claiming to be "more" Christian then the other. This is the perfect example WHY separation of church and state is so vital. No one wants to be under control from another's faith.
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: Evolutionist try to prove that everything came from one common ancestor. Some evolutionist think just because something looks alike or just because something might have close to the same number of chromosomes, they must be related. All I was asking is that Creationism be put BACK into school so that the kids can get both sides of the tale and draw their own conclusion. (to be continued)
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78: (continued) Science is a lot like detective work. When working a case, you don't assume you already know what happened and who the culprit is. You're suppose to let the evidence lead you to the culprit. If someone doesn't want to believe in God that is their God-given right. All I'm saying is lets look at the evidence and see which way it leads but how can that happen if people like you are afraid to let other people hear both sides of the tale because of your presuppositions?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78: You also mentioned that I'm using straw man arguments. If I am, please began pointing them out so that I may correct my errors. Thank you.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78 By the way, are your friends bible believing, born again, willing to lay down their lives for Christ Christians or do they say that they're Christian but live like the rest of the world? Believe it or not there is a difference. When I say bible believing, I don't mean that they think some parts of the bible are true. I mean they believe (even though they can't explain everything) that the bible is 100% true.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78 Correction: evolutionist try to prove that every LIVING thing came from one single organism. The way they tell it, cats did come from dogs and monkeys came from plants and people came from stars or something similar to this.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78: Also, I didn't ask about your friend's Christian denomination. I don't care about that. I was asking do they believe in the bible 100% or do they believe that some parts are true? Are they born again in Christ Jesus? Do they try to live a Christian life style or do they behave like the rest of the world? Are they willing to lay down their lives for Jesus (if it came to that)?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78: And, I'm not trying to promote Christianity in the classrooms. All I'm saying is let people see both sides of the story and let them draw their own conclusions. What I'm trying to promote (in a way) is free thought and the freedom to choose. How can people choose if people like you are not willing to let both sides of the argument be heard. What's the matter? Atheist don't like competition?
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78: If gov shouldn't promote or favor any religion over another, why is the American government favoring secularist/humanistic religions over Christianity? If you're some eastern Asian religion or earth religion, the gov tries it's best to be PC and not offend but the minute a student brings a bible to class, ACLU to the rescue. Did you know that the Bible was a standard reading textbook in America's early school systems? People learned how to read and write using the Bible AT SCHOOL.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78: Creationism is also a theory but Humanist/Secularists don't like the competition. I don't understand how some people believe that nothing created everything and call it smart science. The evolution theory can't explain the origins of life. It only tries to explain how living species progress. Once again, evolution theory isn't threatening to my faith. I only question how the theory is being applied and used.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@melowar78 Also, my God given purpose is to love the Lord with every fiber of my being and to love my neighbor (others) as I love myself. Just think how much better this world would be if everyone woke up in the morning and said to themselves how can I love my neighbor today.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
@spirtualthinker So being a submissive servant is the "grand" purpose of a Christians life? lol Wow I personally find that amazingly lame and sad but hey if that is what makes you happy so be it. But that doesn't appeal to me too much. Think I'll pass on the Christianity gig. Take care now.
melowar78 4 months ago
@melowar78: How are you dismissing me when you didn't even answer my question? All you did was offer a half baked answer and than began beating around the bush but why am I'm not surprised? Typical atheist I guess. Anyway I'm choosing to be a servant because I love my Lord and I love people. Just like Jesus willingly laid down His life for me, I'm willing to laid down my life for Him in return. You can have this earthly life and everything that comes with it. I'm hoping for something better.
spirtualthinker 4 months ago
If their was a large herd of idiots who were forcing their "Unicornian" beliefs and laws on me through government policy, hindering scientific progress because it was inconveniently contradictive to Unicornian claims, Unicornian preachers getting away with stealing money from gullible followers (e.t.c.) then we atheists would be out spoken against Unicorneism. But we don't because their isn't any Unicornists doing these things. There is no irony with atheist anger.
melowar78 5 months ago
@melowar78: How is modern Christianity hindering scientific progress? Criminals steal money from people religious and non-religious alike so what's your point? If anything, secular and humanistic ideas are winning the war for people's minds because Christianity in America is becoming less of a relationship with Jesus and more of a religion. Where are you getting your info from? Are you doing research or just quoting what someone else is saying?
spirtualthinker 5 months ago
@spirtualthinker Prohibiting stem-cell research. Trying to force creationism into the science curriculum would be the most recent examples of hindering scientific progress. Christianity is a religion. Always has been. You have as much of a "relationship" with Jesus as I do with Elvis Presley. One less tool for televangelists to swindle peoples money is a good thing in my eyes. DJ's feigned puzzlement over atheists anger over "god" and not unicorns is intelligently dishonest and annoying
melowar78 5 months ago
@melowar78: Scientist don't need to kill unborn babies for stem cells. I heard that there are ways they can get around that and continue with their research. Creationism was in schools but secularism forced it out. All we're trying to do is get the students to look at both sides of the story or are atheist afraid of the competition? Swindlers will always swindle via in the name of religion or anything else. If anything, secularism/humanism is the reason science isn't going any where.
spirtualthinker 5 months ago
@melowar78: Also, stem cell research and trying to get creationism back in schools are the only things you can come up with? I think the world of science will continue with or without murdering unborn babies for their stem cells and will excel with lighting speed if we stop telling our kids that everything came from nothing, morals have no real meaning, there's no such thing as absolute truth, and this life was meant to be a party because when you die.....you're just dead.
spirtualthinker 5 months ago
@spirtualthinker Your ignorance is disturbing. Science is not a religion, its not based around faith. Its based on observable and testable evidence. It studies the process of how things work in the natural world. It doesn't have nothing to do with the "who". Creationism is based on faith. Sorry but there is no evidence to creationism. Schools should teach facts. Churches deals with faith. I'm sorry but one day you will die. Believing in fairy tales isn't going to change that.
melowar78 5 months ago
@melowar78 I can say the same for you and everything you just said in your reply. Believing that all living creatures somehow evolved from one another and the earth being billions of years old is also based on faith. The question is: who's word are you going to believe? The person that was actually their (God) OR what man thinks happened?
Anyway, back to my original question. Because of Christianity science hasn't been able to do ______ (fill in the blank)
spirtualthinker 5 months ago
@melowar78: Also, I never said nor meant to imply that science is a religion. Science is just man's way of observing the world around us but science doesn't tackle life's biggest questions such as why are we here and what is our purpose. In my opinion, Atheist/secularist/humanist have turned science into a religion.
spirtualthinker 5 months ago
@melowar78 By the way, a unicorn is a one horned Asian/Indian rhino. There is a video on youtube about what Christians think unicorns are. Christians didn't invent the concept that a unicorn is a horse with a horn on it's head and can fly. I think that started in Greek mythology.
spirtualthinker 5 months ago
Non-believers and any other rational person have every right to be angry with charlatans like David Jeremiah and Jerry Falwell.
zzaproot 5 months ago
@zzaproot The point of the video is if you want to be a atheist be a atheist keep your mouth shut and live in seclusion.
George0025 5 months ago
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GB0318 5 months ago
@George0025 "keep your mouth shut and live in seclusion."-
You first buddy.
zzaproot 5 months ago
Hitler was Catholic...why must the religous lie so so much
Democrate4Life 5 months ago 2
@Democrate4Life No, actually Hitler hated Chrisitianity, he only appealed to the Bible and pretended to be doing the Lords work because 90% of Germany was Christian.
God Bless You
Ronniecob40 5 months ago
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@Ronniecob40 You dont know much about history!
Democrate4Life 5 months ago
@Ronniecob40 Do you have any evidence that Hitler hated Christianity? In his famous book "Mein Kamf" he justified his fight against the Jews as his "duty to god". And that "Jews killed Jesus" blah blah blah (e.t.c.) And even IF that was true (which I highly doubt), it only proves how religion is used to manipulate the masses.
melowar78 5 months ago
Were not mad at someone we dont think exist...we say religion is bad...
Democrate4Life 5 months ago
@Democrate4Life Definition of Atheist= No God, not No religion
God Bless You
Ronniecob40 5 months ago
@Democrate4Life If your not mad keep your mouth shut and live in seclusion.
George0025 4 months ago
Religion is terrible...if atheism was in trouble it wouldnt be increasing...
Democrate4Life 5 months ago
DJ you seem to be boring the flock with your negative sermon. You really lost their confidence with that cute little story with the lightening bolt and god speaking. Don't you think that was stretching a bit? I'm sure a very large number of the followers left the building with their emotions literally tattered from this beat down of fellow human beings. Look at the faces.
GB0318 5 months ago
@MisterDoctorE Not to be picky, but I doubt religion originated as a tool for control. Regardless of the fact that it has been so many times, I suspect, as do many others, that it began as a way for an increasingly intelligent being to explain his surroundings.
That said, I hope your are right. We are slowly moving away from superstition bullshit.
michaelthomas1234 5 months ago
@1776iscoming I don't suppose I need to but I will add that bribase is correct. You misunderstand evolution and abiogensis. Please study before commenting.
More importantly, evolution doesn't play into atheism. It is a separate topic all together. If we discovered some fossil today that disproved all evolutionary science, I still wouldn't believe in a God. Most atheists prob. feel the same.
Just because evo is false, the thousands of different religions are not necessarily true.
michaelthomas1234 5 months ago
Angry atheists????? FAIL
And, religion is scam, human made tool to control; Humanity is evolving out of the dark ages of superstition.
Waking up to reality..
MisterDoctorE 5 months ago
Christians would kick you in the balls, then fault you for saying "Ouch"
givingmantoo 5 months ago
I am just re-reading Peter HItchens 'The Rage Against God'. it is a daming indictment of communism.
PS his brother Chrstopher still asserts that communism is a good idea and Stalin wasn't so bad.
Please read Peter HItchens and learn the lessons before its too late.
stephenhayesuk 5 months ago
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"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' "
ParasiteQueen1 5 months ago
Atheists only seem threatening and angry because your mind cannot comprehend the fact that you are believing in a childish fairy tale and we don't share your belief. You are simply embarrassed and angry that we don't prop up your superstitions. Poor you!
Christheatheist1 5 months ago
@Christheatheist1
No, "atheists" are angry and miserable because they are trying to convince themselves of something which contradicts what they know in their hearts to be true. Speaking of fairy tales by the way, is there a more childish and immature belief than believing your ancestor crawled out of a pond or that your relatives are down at zoo flinging poop at each other?
1776iscoming 5 months ago
@1776iscoming - What a Peter Pan attitude! Your 'heart' is purely emotional. Reality is what it is. It is an established scientific fact that we evolved from lesser mammals. Why don't you put down your creepy book of monstrous fairy tales and read a science book?
Christheatheist1 5 months ago
@1776iscoming Of course, flippantly exposing your lack of education on the subject of biology is the height of maturity. Oh... and as long as you're in the business of making things up about what you think atheists actually believe; Fine, you're an atheist as well, "in your heart" that is. Do you see how stupid and pointless it is to straw man each other's position? You would do well to try an understand what atheism actually entails if you seek to refute it.
bribase 5 months ago
@bribase
Oh I understand biology just fine, probably even more so than you, I've spent plenty of time in college, learned what it took to get good grades then passed it off for the nonsense it is. The mere fact that you are on a Christian preacher's video shows me that you are trying very hard to bury the truth that is in your heart.
1776iscoming 5 months ago
@1776iscoming Yes... Bioloigy is nonsense. Hence the fact that the life span of the average human being has almost doubled since we've began to gain an understanding of life sciences through medecine. 1776, it's quite clear that you have not understood the point of my message. Instead of simply presuming that we all believe in your god, try to avoid what David Jeremiah did and address the claims that atheists make. Don't pretend that we don't really exist, it's asinine.
bribase 5 months ago
@bribase
Don't equate solid, provable science with evolution, you know exactly what I was talking about. I spoke to quite a few "atheists" when I was in the Army and college, each and every time, whether it took a few minutes or a few years to come out, it always had to do with being offended at God's moral standard, it had little to do with evidence.
1776iscoming 5 months ago
@1776iscoming And this is where you are dead wrong about science. No scientist is in the business of "proving" things. What we do is look at the evidence to see what theories and models are supportable based on their explanitory power. In the light of sufficient evidence against evolution, every respectable biologist would stop supporting the theory. As for your anecdote, for the record I do have a problem with the morals of your book. I don't endorse slavery, genocide or human sacrifice.
bribase 5 months ago
@1776iscoming You are only lying to yourself ass hole.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo
Thank you for proving Dr. Jeremiah right.....
1776iscoming 5 months ago
"in the name of their UNICORN"
InFaithThroughChrist 5 months ago
one more before I leave this garbage page ... the story about the man praying and getting god to act. IT DID NOT HAPPEN! You make shit up and think that proves or means a thing ... I cant listen to any more of this garbage.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo That wasn't presented as a true story. But it was meant to prove a point. It is a point that I assume you don't care to know about so I am not going to bother to explain it.
jbear0000 5 months ago
@jbear0000 Of course it was not true, no shit. The point it was trying to prove is bullshit, making up stories to prove points that are really just strawman is just stupid on top of stupid.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo It is not a strawman, do you even understand what the point of that story was? It was to a method to show the way many Atheists act when they come face to face with the truth of God and all of the evidence that He is real.
jbear0000 5 months ago
@jbear0000 It is absolutely a straw man. Method my ass .. it was a made up bullshit story, that illustrated that you guys have to make shit up, because you have nothing in reality to work with. There has NEVER been a case where a voice from heaven made such declarations, and you could not possibly know what anyone would do in such a situation.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
what stupidity ... when do groups of people go around telling us to turn or burn in the name of their UNICORN? Sorry, but this sermon is just rotten with ignorance and strawman arguments ... you dumb asses have no fucking idea what the problem is
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo So you are one of the angry Atheists he is taking about. You are proving his point with your comments.
jbear0000 5 months ago
@jbear0000 Yea I am sure you would say "your just one of the angry blacks" after calling a black man the "N" word and talking about raping his mother ... idiot
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo No one called anyone a name similar to the "N" word and no one said anything about a crime similar to rape, so why are you angry? Why are all the Atheists angry everywhere else in the world? The way you are acting proves his point. It is even further proof that God really does exist. Maybe that is why you are angry, because there is nothing you can do to disprove God and even your anger further proves He is real.
jbear0000 5 months ago
@jbear0000 You see, when an anology is made to show my point you get all butt hurt about it. You simply are too closed minded and brainwashed to hear anything anyone else has to say. You want your beliefs to be true so badly, that you will hear exactly what you want. Regardless of what is really being said, you are not asking why I am angry (I am not) you are telling your self "angry atheist" so you will be sure you keep that bullshit stuck in your head.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo When you are swearing and insulting people, you portray yourself as an angry atheist, go back and read your first comment again, it is full of anger and hatred. You may not be angry now, but in your other comments you either were angry or you acted angry.
And no, I am not brainwashed and closed minded. I have looked into other possibilities and when comparing evolution vs. creation, creation makes a lot more sense and I have experienced God working in my own life. He is real.
jbear0000 5 months ago
@jbear0000 You should learn the term "confirmation bias" you clearly are a practitioner of it.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
Well we fight not flesh and blood but powers and principalities and wickedness in high places. Don't take it personal it's just spiritual warfare. The more satan goes crzy the more I know our redemtion draweth nigh! \0/ I am lookin up! \0/
GospelTruth37059 5 months ago
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changes not for the better? He means changes that are not the changes he wants ... angry atheist well thats a person who dares speak his mind, then you get uspest when you do not like the reply. You shits go about every day saying what ever you want, and then cant take your own medicine. Jerry falwel was a fat lying crook.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
changes not for the better? He means changes that are not the changes he wants ... angry atheist well thats a person who dares speak his mind, then get uspest when does not like the reply. You shits go about every day saying what ever you want, and then cant take your own medicine. Jerry falwel was a fat lying crook.
givingmantoo 5 months ago
There are no atheists, there are people who pretend like God doesn't exist in order to somehow escape God's moral standard. There has never been a human that has walked this earth that truly believe in his/her heart that God doesn't exist(Romans 1).
1776iscoming 5 months ago
@1776iscoming And we care what the book of Romans says why?
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo
You wouldn't be viewing this video if you didn't care. Fact is that everybody knows God exists, and truly believe that all people know that Christianity is authentic. Just look which faith "atheists" attack the most.
1776iscoming 5 months ago
@1776iscoming What a load of bullshit. You just keep telling yourself those lies, the only way you can keep the brainwashing in tact, is by constant reinforcement. What a moron you are ...
givingmantoo 5 months ago
@givingmantoo
Again, you wouldn't even be viewing this video if you didn't have questions or apprehensions about your "unbelief".
1776iscoming 5 months ago
@1776iscoming There are many reasons that anyone would veiw a video. You are quite narrow minded to assume there is ONE reason, then impose that on someone. This is part of the problem, Christians are too narrow minded and black and white to understand anything outside their box. The second part of the problem, is that you will hear what you need to. Just as you guy like to read meaning into the bible, you also read meaning into things people say. All so you can fee justified
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