Just saying that the original translations of the bible screwed up some words. It was lost in translation, homosexuality was NEVER referred to. It said that a man shall not lie with another, as it is an abomination. At the time the bible was written this statement did NOT mean gay people are going to hell. It means that man shall not lie with another man because it is unusual and outside of normality. It was an observation not a judgement. Stupid Jackasses have ruined the lives of so many.
Blame God, he created all of this mess. Having more of female genes trap in a man body same goes for women we call them dikes. your not to blame, its that the almighty allowed those things to take place, what a loving God he is. Its a free world that's part of society and culture we lived in. I'm sorry to say, for those fundamentalist will be the first to cast their first stone on your ass instead of obeying the last commandment of Jesus before he died, state "love one another's" regardless.
Israel started with 70 people. They had to reproduce to become powerful. Allowing homosexuality to become accepted is dangerous to the reproductive capabilities of a nation. Polygamy was accepted in the Old Testament amongst Israelites excluding the Levite Preists. Ejaculating outside of a vagina is forbidden under Levitical law because it inhibits an opportunity for potential reproduction. The Israelites were underdogs. They needed numbers.
Let's play make believe for a minute, and use what you say is so. "Being gay is not a choice". Your either born gay or not, making it a gene, your either born with the gay gene or not. Let us put this to another claim of yours, natural selection. Gays do not produce offspring. After millions of years of natural selection how is the gay gene still around??? Not just around but in rapidly growing numbers.
God has no religion, religion is man made, God is love....sin is also man creation...
God is your heart ... we all born with a loving heart, then you pick up hate, ignorance...
Let´s let heart being heart.....unity is the way forward to a loving world, let´s end ignorance, and embrace all diversity ...do you think your left hand hate your right hand ?
@avaldex321 Well have you ever thought that maybe THEY are bothering ME? They can live like that if they wish.....but don't expect main stream society to accept it or for the government to endorse it. And definately don't expect it to be taught in schools.
@avaldex321 Well first off...I don't think I'm bothering them. Secondly, you apparently don't understand that reasoning behind the opposition to the homosexual agenda. Educate yourself on the reasons why people should be opposing this lifestyle because it not only effects them but everyone else as well. The traditional family is a staple of society and it doesn't need to be undermined by homosexuals wishing to marry and gain total acceptance of their lifestyle choice.
@avaldex321 Sorry but I don't believe that. If you are attracted to the same sex then I truly believe that you have a problem. You have even more of a problem if you are actually having sex with another man.
and of wrong, of sin, and of judgement. You are assuming that god would condemn them, and that the only measure of sin is the action itself. God knows people's hearts and minds. His judgement cannot be reduced to an evaluation rubric of their actions. Never claim that someone has sinned against god, for in doing so you assume his role, and that is what they call blasphemy.
and of wrong, of sin, and of judgement. You are assuming that god would condemn them, and that the only measure of sin is the action itself. God knows people's hearts and minds. His judgement cannot be reduced to an evaluation rubric of their actions. Never claim that someone has sinned against god, for in doing so you assume his role, and that is what they call blasphemy.
and of wrong, of sin, and of judgement. You are assuming that god would condemn them, and that the only measure of sin is the action itself. God knows people's hearts and minds. His judgement cannot be reduced to an evaluation rubric of their actions. Never claim that someone has sinned against god, for in doing so you assume his role, and that is what they call blasphemy.
Ok, I'll give you that the bible tells it's followers that homosexuality is a sin. It also tells them that judgement is god's and god's alone. Furthermore, it says that he who is without sin can cast the first stone. So the way I see it is that god tells you it's sinful, so you shouldn't do it. However, the moment that you criticize others or allow yourself to believe that others are being sinful for being gay, you are being blasphemous by assuming that you are the arbiter of right
Obviously you have not read the bible and you are making assumptions based on what others have said? What I find more messed up is to make these blanket statements without reading the manual!
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ~ II Tim. 3:16
The Bible, in my opinion, absolutely does not say that homosexuality is sinful. Absolutely does not. That is a fundamentalist interpretation. Christians nowadays always seem to interpret things to benefit themselves, believing some things to be taken literally, while others are viewed in the context that they were written a very long time ago. It's hypocrisy and it's wrong. That's what's sinful here. God loves homosexuals.
@barkingwater2000 Veronie was probably reading the King James Bible. That is the translation that I grew up learning. It does teach that sodomy is wrong. Whether homosexual or heterosexual sodomy. I'm not sure about oral sex between two men or two women. Homosexuality is not scriptural terminology.
@taxesformuchlessinc The king james version plainly states that men should not lay with men. This is not open for interpretation. Homosexuals may try and justify their lifestyle but they are only fooling themselves.
@Veronie I'd just like to add to the "Christians nowadays always seem to interpret things to benefit themselves." If we wanted to benefit ourselves wouldn't we agree with homosexuality? It's not that we enjoy pointing out sin so we can start a fight. If anything, it's easier to say homosexuality is ok. but thats not what the bible teaches. It says it very plainly in Romans that a man cannot lay with another man. I have a lot more to say on the subject if you'd like to talk about it.
@AnThRacKz you have just argued that there is something with two people having a loving, mutually beneficial relationship because of their gender. This is, by definition, bigotry. It's sexism - people may or may not be entitled to care about other people on the exclusive grounds of gender.
Only those who are dogmatic, and unthinking fail to see this for what it is.
That is a very balanced, well reasoned, and thought out question. Well said, good sir. You continue to do your bit in the deconstruction of the God Delusion.
Okay your Cookie example really is a poor example buddy sorry to say.
You Stated that your a father and you told your son he can not have any cookies before dinner, 1. That is normal, kids should eat sweets after the main course. 2. The kid should be thankful the father made the cookies at all. 3. The Son must obey what the father says no matter what. 4. It teaches the kid self control. Please, Please pick a better example next time.
@highoncandy2000 You missed the entire point of the analogy; I understand forbidding kids to eat cookies before dinner is normal and appropriate. I'm talking about giving people an unnecessary desire and tantalization and then forbidding it, hence the waving the cookie under the child's nose.
@mfaulkner12 Implying you believe in some sort of Absolute Moral and ethical Belief also maybe implying this moral code comes from some sort of religious scripture. You cannot argue this point strictly because you arguing against the moral codes of christians yet taunting would represent a sin in the bible which you are now defending. Makes no sense
@highoncandy2000 1) I was not implying I believe in any sort of absolute moral code. I was asking what about the act of homosexuality is wrong, objectively or subjectively. 2) Objective morality does not necessitate a deity, nor does the existence of a deity necessitate (or provide) objective morality.
@highoncandy2000 Not at all. Taunting people is wrong, but it is still subjectively wrong. Wrong to me, my society, and in most cases my species. Point of the video stands, and the analogy still stands: if homosexuality is wrong, subjectively or objectively, why?
Do you think that God said dont have sex with men just for the sake of it? If so, I cannot agree. I have found out that many people view the commandments in this sort of way over the years and I think that it is nonsense. God tells us not to kill people because He is basically saying "you know life would be much better if you didnt go around killing each other". This is the same with homosexuality, God wants us to have sex with women because he designed them for us. Men+Women+marriage=GREAT.
@ItsSolaFide But this is exactly my point, if there is nothing that is wrong with homosexuality itself, then when does God forbid it? If your answer is, "God wants us to have sex with women," that still doesn't mean there is anything wrong with homosexuality. It just means God wants us to have sex with women. What about homosexuality is the bad/wrong/evil part?
I understand what you are saying, I do. I will try to lay out what I think for you. I assume what you are getting at is why is homosexuality is morally incorrect according to the Bible. Well it is because it was a commandment from God. It is obedience. I am sure that you will say "Well God is vain for that" but no, that is not the case. If God is God(being the definition of God) than He knows what is best for us and would command us to do what is best. That is love.
@ItsSolaFide Again, this is exactly my point. The only reason that it can possibly be considered morally reprehensible by anyone is, "God told me so." But there is no logic behind it. Why does God consider it bad? If God told us the color purple was bad, would it then be the case? Why? What about God makes his commands categorical imperatives? And what about that command is loving to the people that now have to repress their sexuality and attractions? How are they helped?
Yes there is logic behind it, the logic is God created man and woman to be compatible, that is logical. For example, a diesel engine is only supposed to have diesel fuel in it, not regular fuel or you will have problems, in this case aids. I can give you biological reasons why it is logical also. The commandments are to help us, not "God told me so". Why would God say purple is bad, the commandments are to help us and that wouldnt help us. I repress sexual desires daily
@ItsSolaFide If you're claiming that homosexuality is harmful, please back it up with something. AIDS? Really? Straight sex can't get you that... And sex exists only for the purpose of reproduction? There goes a whole lot of straight nuptial sex as well... I didn't say repress sexual desires, I said repress sexuality and attraction. I mean they can't be with the people they want to be with because of what seems to be a completely arbitrary rule.
Yes, AIDS not only that but many other diseases are far more common in gay men. I never EVER said sex in only for reproduction, when I am married I will have sex for fun a lot. It is not an arbitrary rule if this person is a believer at all. Sexual desire and attraction run hand in hand. However, no where in the Bible does it repress sexual attration, it represses sexual actions.
@ItsSolaFide Some STDs trend higher in minority groups. African Americans account for roughly 81% of gonorrhea. Does that mean that they can't have sex either? This still does not answer my question. It's beginning to stray from the point. What about homosexuality makes it, by nature, bad. If it is merely that God commands it, then what about God commanding it makes it a categorical imperative?
It is Biblically wrong because God said so, and because God said so it is therefore morally wrong, and because God made our bodies for different sexes. That is what I really believe and I can give you multiple biological reasons why it is a bad idea. The truth here is you and I have to different perspectives and it looks to me like no answer I give you will suffice, so we will have to just agree to disagree.
@ItsSolaFide But you are so close to answering my question! So God saying it's wrong, makes it wrong. But my question now becomes: what about God saying something is wrong, turns that command into a categorical imperative?
Because He is God, and He loves us. Now you probably do not like that answer, but we are supposing that God is real in this argument, and since we are that really is the answer. Homosexuality is immoral because God is God and He loves us and since He gives the commandments for our protection then we should strive not to sin.
Thats a really good question and I could give you a long drawn out philosophical argument on this topic, but it would take me a really REALLY long time. However, I am willing to send you a PM if you really want to know. The short of it is this. Yes, God is forgiving however there is sin and hell because in the end it will bring the most glory to God. Through death, murder, homosexuality, or what have you, God will be glorified the most, in the end. Thats the short of what I think
@ItsSolaFide Lol, no I do not like that answer. Because it doesn't say why his commands are categorical imperatives. Even if we DO suppose God is real, it doesn't tell us why his commands must be obeyed. You could simply say there is no reason, and admit that this is a challenge to your epistemology that has no answer, but that would take a level of intellectual honesty impossible of a religious person.
No I am being honest. You should obey the commandments because if God is God then we should obey the commandments because they will protect us. The truth is you have a view that is different than mine and you can not understand how I think until you have experience in thinking like I do, and vice versa. So we will just have to agree to disagree.
@ItsSolaFide But WHY if God is God should we obey him? Is it simply might makes right? And if so, why does might make right? That is what I am asking. I absolutely hate this way some people hide behind subjectivity or "agreeing to disagree," because they don't have an answer or don't understand the question.
No there is no "might" in this argument. If God is God, supposing that you understand the definition of God given by philosophy than you should already know the answer. The problem is that you do not understand God, which makes this argument non-sense to both you and I. The answer is that God makes right. Not that because there "might" be a God it is right. Simply because God knows all and loves us enough to protect us with His commandments.
@ItsSolaFide That's not the form of "might" I was using. I was using it as a synonym for power. Anyway, then DEFINE the trait of God that makes his commands categorical imperatives. I mean, if I'm really not getting it because I don't understand what God is, then explain it to me.
@ItsSolaFide Homosexuality is a sin because God loves us? Do you even know what that means? Don't you see how contradictory that is to everything that Jesus Christ taught us? God is Love, and the love that a man may have for another man or a woman for another woman IS God.There are so many gay Christians who want to change, but they cannot because that goes against the very nature that God gave them. I truly believe with all my heart that God looks at people like you and He is saddened.
You make claims that you can not back up, what evidence supports God promoting homosexuality? I have never seen it in scripture and never will because Genesis 19:1-13, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27,1 Corinthians 6:9 all state that homosexuality is sinful. I am a shameful man and will be the first to admit it, I am a wretch. However because of Christ I have been reconciled with God. I am afraid that you are mistaken and I think you should consider reforming your belief on this.
@ItsSolaFide I admit that I was having a bad day when I typed that. I stand by my belief that the God Who is Love could not possibly be against the love between two people on the basis of sex. Words for homosexuality and homosexual did not even exist at the time of the writing of the original texts, so from a historical point of view, it was far more likely that the Bible was referring to pagan ritual sex and in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah gang-rape.
@ItsSolaFide One must also look at what sin essentially is. If you look at all other sins, you can see an obvious way that each one could harm the sinner and/or those around him. With murder, stealing, rape, and lying it's all very obvious. However, the only reason that homosexuals suffer for being so is because of a anti-homosexual mentality, which came from faulty interpretations of the Bible. If it had not been for that, homosexuals would be accepted by Christians as they were before.
My friend you are mistaken, Matthew talks about if you hate someone in your heart you are doing the same as killing them. Hating someone is all in your head and does no harm to anyone, this is not the type of sin that you see in the Bible. Your view of scripture is a bit problematic I believe
@ItsSolaFide If you're going to read my responses, please do it properly. I never said that an anti-homosexual mentality stopped at simple hatred. There is much verbal and physical abuse, and Christians have even killed homosexuals because of their victim's orientation. What I was saying was that there is a direct harm caused by murder, lying, and stealing, but having a certain sexuality would not bring the person harm were it not for people like you.
So you think that sin is simply bringing harm to others? No, blasphemy does no harm to anyone yet is the worst sin that you can commit. People like me? No you shouldnt stereotype people, I do not think that people who are homosexual and act on their homosexuality are Christians at all, "You will know them by their fruit." thats what Jesus said and unfortunately for you, homosexuality is not one of these fruits. Why should I expect people to act like a Christian if they are not?
@ItsSolaFide Committing an act of blasphemy harms the sinner, as it harms their relationship with God. You make the decision to sin. A liar chooses to lie, and a thief chooses to steal. However, it has been proven that homosexuality is caused by genetic and environmental influences that the person has absolutely no control over. The Lord God would never punish someone for something that they did not choose to be or do. And by people like you I mean ignorant Christians.
So you think that Christians want trials? Job wanted to lose everything he had? I do not agree. You are wrong about blasphemy too because I have talked to many people who are not Christians that are not harmed at all by their blasphemy. Sin is not just hurting peoples feelings, sin is the breaking of Gods law, period. And according to many verses in scripture it is unlawful to be a homosexual. Yes homosexuals are that by nature because of SIN the fall of the human race.
@ItsSolaFide You are ignoring several aspects of my argument, and you are simply repeating things that I have disproven. I am through speaking to someone as close-minded and stupid as you. I wish that I could see your face the day that you die and see homosexuals walking with Christ in Heaven. That is, if you get there.
No you are just hard headed and liberal. You do not care what the Bible teaches, it is totally clear to all Christians that homosexuality is a sin, if homosexuality was not a sin the Bible would not address it. I am just telling you my opinion and if that upsets you than I am sorry, but pardon me it is the truth and any theologian that is known will back that up. I hope everyone is walking with Christ when I get to Heaven, but I also know that scripture teaches otherwise.
@ItsSolaFide Okay, okay, I see now. You think that all Christians and theologists think the same way that you do about homosexuality. So, it's not that you're stupid, you just haven't done much research on the subject. Over 99% of all the information that has led me to believe that homosexuality is not a sin actually came from other Christians and theologists. I read information from many priests about why homosexuality is not a sin, too.
No I dont care what a Priest tells you or you read. I am saying that I do my own research and that people who also do their own research will back me up on it. Paul in his epistle to the Romans calls homosexuality an abomination...its plain and clear, and if you want to get into how homosexuality is scientifically dangerous to prove to you that it hurts people we can do that also...
and I am okay with that because I know that if I act on them it is not pleasing to God. That struggle draws me closer to God because I have to rely on Him to get me through that, and when I am closer to God I am happy and satisfied with Him fully. The same goes for homosexuals they fight the temptation and lean on God for strength and this brings them joy, that is what we were designed to do. That is how it helps them.
Keep in mind that I am assuming that this "homosexual" that we are talking about is a believer in Christ. If they are not a believer than I do not expect them to do any of these things that I have stated. Hope that made a little more sense to you, I tried my best.
GOD DID NOT MAKE ANYBODY ATTRACTED TO THE SAME SEX. THAT WAS THE PERSONS OWN SEXUAL FANTASY. no matter what age. GAY MARRIAGE cant be legal, becuase homosexuality is illegal and these people seem to think its ok, but its not, its FORBIDDEN LOVE.
Homosexuality is sinful and WRONG and i do mean WRONG. (not right) Because if you take a look at male and female. A male has a penis, a woman has a vagina, the penis is made to be put into the vagina, not another mans asshole. What purpose is it of sticking your penis in another mans asshole?
we can all agree that incest is wrong? thats why homosexuality is wrong. they are unnatural. diseases that come from anal sex is proof of gay being wrong
@ijc48 You know what else is unnatural? The computer you are on. You know what else? Medicine. You need to define natural. What about homosexuality is "unnatural?" It happens in nature.
"we can all agree that incest is wrong?"
Can we? I'd say that the burdens of incest on a society overrule the benefits of two people fulfilling their desires. Only with homosexuality, I don't see the burden on society. Does it hurt anyone? No. It is simply a relationship between two people of the same gender.
Burdens of incest on society? What burdens? and incest is two people fulfilling their desires. Whats the difference? the only reason we look at it as wrong is because society sees it as wrong, as with gay marriage. incest does not bring any more pestilence than gay marriage. in fact it brings none. we look down on it because it is not the norm. you can not have one without the other. thats the epitome of hypocritical
@ijc48 Incest results in an extremely high birth defect rate. That is the defect on society. If it weren't for that, I'd say go for it. As long as both parties are consenting what is wrong with that?
@ijc48 wow....you compared incest with homosexuality here is one, adam and eve had 2 kids right? both where boys AND? then what? did they have sex with there mother or with each other? ether way its incest or homosexuality
my brother is a baptist. i told him according to christians a lot of things require stoning. he said to me that was the old testament and jewish law at he time. if so homosexuality is an old testament thing and should be ignored these days.
btw the bible is the first recorded data of a lesbian marriage. that should never be forgotten. it seemns in the bible homosexuality is only for men and only a warning against wasting seed in a time they needed children to carry on things.
note,the bible says man shall not lie with man like with women... also said not to waste seed. therefore it is sayin man shal not masturbate or "waste seed". in those times sons and children were needed to keep the farm going - literally. there is not one verse in the bible that says woman shall not lie with woman etc... it is only for males, wasting sed. the biblical times needed children. consider infant mortality and running the land. that says it all. that IS the old testament.
I wish it was that simple and we could just say that it was just the Old Testament. However, your modern day bigot will claim that Paul condemns homosexuality and they refer to a few rather obscure passages. And remember we are talking about some LEGENDARY pick-and-choosers here. Reasoning is very difficult with them.
I doubt in our HUGE Universe with BILLIONS of Galaxies,that there is some SKY GAWD judging what humans do with thier penis and vaginas...its ludicrous,and primitive thinking like that - that keeps humanity from moving forward!
hey mfaulkner- Answers to questions like, "why is (insert word here) considered to be sinful?" are only meaningful when the concept of God is understood. You seem to have an idea of what God should be which is not the God I worship.
Your concept of a loving god is not the loving God that I believe in.
God for me is not bound by my limited experiences and ideas of love as we use the word to describe the way we treat each other. Therefore for someone to say to God, 'That's not a very loving thing to do.' Is nonsensical to me as God is that which no greater thing can be thought and as such to try to apply your subjective experience about what love is to God is meaningless.
Ok. But the issue I take with that is that just because God calls something love does not make it loving. If God's "love" is the equivalent of our hate (maybe not hate but definitely cruelty), then why on earth would we want anything to do with it? Just because he says it's better than our "subjective" love?
mfaulk- The framework I use to speak of love as it relates to God is one that finds it's meaning within Christianity. To speak of 'love' as it relates to our use of the word in casual discussion concerning our actions and treatment of others is a different discussion.
Could you perhaps define that meaning it has within Christianity. I used to be a Christian, and I don't recall ever learning of some alternative meaning of love.
Maybe I'm interpreting these wrong. It seems that this is just saying that God is love and it says he proved this when he sent his son to die for us.
Ok see that is a kind of love I can understand. Sending your son to die for everyone else is a loving thing to do (a bit unnecessary if you are all powerful but that's another topic). But giving people a sex drive then forbidding so many types of sex, that seems to be the opposite of love.
So when you say that "there's a big issue with this loving God because he does this sort of thing to us"---it doesn't make sense to me as you aren't talking about the God I believe in. You are talking about a god that you have contrived who is not meeting your expectations of what a loving god should do.
You're right. I would expect that a loving god would not tempt us to do things that were going to get us condemned in his eyes. Might I ask how this is different from what your loving God does?
mfaulk- The fact you say, "I would expect..." with reference to God demonstrates that your god concept and mine are not the same. It is an absurd proposition to me that I would expect God, who is that which nothing greater can be conceived, to meet my limited view of what God should be. Because the moment God met my expectations would be the moment God would no longer be greater than anything to be conceived which is absurd.
mfaulk- What is worthy of worship is God. That is that which nothing greater can be conceived. Notions of cruelty outside of belief in God are subjective and arbritrary and as such don't posses meaning as it relates to worship of God.
Hmm. I suppose we have a fundamental disagreement of what is worthy of worship then. See to me for something to be worth of worship it needs to ONLY benefit mankind. And it needs to benefit mankind in a real and measurable way.
@RosesTimes well, I think that priests are a problem. Why do you ask?
integralmath 1 month ago
Homosexuality existed as early as earth.
89MRadz 2 months ago
We need more people like you; thank you.
silverysnow92 2 months ago 2
"Mmmmmm...cookies!" Because God has a twisted sense of humor, that's why!
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Just saying that the original translations of the bible screwed up some words. It was lost in translation, homosexuality was NEVER referred to. It said that a man shall not lie with another, as it is an abomination. At the time the bible was written this statement did NOT mean gay people are going to hell. It means that man shall not lie with another man because it is unusual and outside of normality. It was an observation not a judgement. Stupid Jackasses have ruined the lives of so many.
thepackerfan412 3 months ago
Blame God, he created all of this mess. Having more of female genes trap in a man body same goes for women we call them dikes. your not to blame, its that the almighty allowed those things to take place, what a loving God he is. Its a free world that's part of society and culture we lived in. I'm sorry to say, for those fundamentalist will be the first to cast their first stone on your ass instead of obeying the last commandment of Jesus before he died, state "love one another's" regardless.
TheSinpan 3 months ago
fag
zinnguyhigh 4 months ago
murder is not wrong, just ask the murderer. your ass has one purpose, to reject feces from your body anything else is perverting it's use.
40something100 4 months ago
Israel started with 70 people. They had to reproduce to become powerful. Allowing homosexuality to become accepted is dangerous to the reproductive capabilities of a nation. Polygamy was accepted in the Old Testament amongst Israelites excluding the Levite Preists. Ejaculating outside of a vagina is forbidden under Levitical law because it inhibits an opportunity for potential reproduction. The Israelites were underdogs. They needed numbers.
taxesformuchlessinc 5 months ago
Let's play make believe for a minute, and use what you say is so. "Being gay is not a choice". Your either born gay or not, making it a gene, your either born with the gay gene or not. Let us put this to another claim of yours, natural selection. Gays do not produce offspring. After millions of years of natural selection how is the gay gene still around??? Not just around but in rapidly growing numbers.
Rhymesayer82 6 months ago
all sexuality is desir...nothing more...
God has no religion, religion is man made, God is love....sin is also man creation...
God is your heart ... we all born with a loving heart, then you pick up hate, ignorance...
Let´s let heart being heart.....unity is the way forward to a loving world, let´s end ignorance, and embrace all diversity ...do you think your left hand hate your right hand ?
papillonbln1 7 months ago
@avaldex321 Well have you ever thought that maybe THEY are bothering ME? They can live like that if they wish.....but don't expect main stream society to accept it or for the government to endorse it. And definately don't expect it to be taught in schools.
barkingwater2000 7 months ago
@avaldex321 Well first off...I don't think I'm bothering them. Secondly, you apparently don't understand that reasoning behind the opposition to the homosexual agenda. Educate yourself on the reasons why people should be opposing this lifestyle because it not only effects them but everyone else as well. The traditional family is a staple of society and it doesn't need to be undermined by homosexuals wishing to marry and gain total acceptance of their lifestyle choice.
barkingwater2000 7 months ago
@avaldex321 Sorry but I don't believe that. If you are attracted to the same sex then I truly believe that you have a problem. You have even more of a problem if you are actually having sex with another man.
barkingwater2000 7 months ago
We aren't animals. We can control our sex drive. Homosexuality is not a choice? Prove it
barkingwater2000 7 months ago
Peanutbutter cookies !
If a gay guy looks at a pretty girls ass like I do , then I say wow ! How can a man look at a hairy ass and find love ?
Sam kininson.
Lvduggo69 8 months ago
It's wrong because religions don't want you to have any fun in your life.
MaoiMeowi2 10 months ago
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and of wrong, of sin, and of judgement. You are assuming that god would condemn them, and that the only measure of sin is the action itself. God knows people's hearts and minds. His judgement cannot be reduced to an evaluation rubric of their actions. Never claim that someone has sinned against god, for in doing so you assume his role, and that is what they call blasphemy.
Ihopyourpancakes 10 months ago
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and of wrong, of sin, and of judgement. You are assuming that god would condemn them, and that the only measure of sin is the action itself. God knows people's hearts and minds. His judgement cannot be reduced to an evaluation rubric of their actions. Never claim that someone has sinned against god, for in doing so you assume his role, and that is what they call blasphemy.
Ihopyourpancakes 10 months ago
and of wrong, of sin, and of judgement. You are assuming that god would condemn them, and that the only measure of sin is the action itself. God knows people's hearts and minds. His judgement cannot be reduced to an evaluation rubric of their actions. Never claim that someone has sinned against god, for in doing so you assume his role, and that is what they call blasphemy.
Ihopyourpancakes 10 months ago
@Itssolafide
Ok, I'll give you that the bible tells it's followers that homosexuality is a sin. It also tells them that judgement is god's and god's alone. Furthermore, it says that he who is without sin can cast the first stone. So the way I see it is that god tells you it's sinful, so you shouldn't do it. However, the moment that you criticize others or allow yourself to believe that others are being sinful for being gay, you are being blasphemous by assuming that you are the arbiter of right
Ihopyourpancakes 10 months ago
Obviously you have not read the bible and you are making assumptions based on what others have said? What I find more messed up is to make these blanket statements without reading the manual!
carnrick 10 months ago
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ~ II Tim. 3:16
Veronie 1 year ago
The Bible, in my opinion, absolutely does not say that homosexuality is sinful. Absolutely does not. That is a fundamentalist interpretation. Christians nowadays always seem to interpret things to benefit themselves, believing some things to be taken literally, while others are viewed in the context that they were written a very long time ago. It's hypocrisy and it's wrong. That's what's sinful here. God loves homosexuals.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie The bible doesn't say homosexuality is wrong? Wow what bible are you reading?
barkingwater2000 7 months ago
@barkingwater2000 Veronie was probably reading the King James Bible. That is the translation that I grew up learning. It does teach that sodomy is wrong. Whether homosexual or heterosexual sodomy. I'm not sure about oral sex between two men or two women. Homosexuality is not scriptural terminology.
taxesformuchlessinc 5 months ago
@taxesformuchlessinc The king james version plainly states that men should not lay with men. This is not open for interpretation. Homosexuals may try and justify their lifestyle but they are only fooling themselves.
barkingwater2000 5 months ago
@Veronie I'd just like to add to the "Christians nowadays always seem to interpret things to benefit themselves." If we wanted to benefit ourselves wouldn't we agree with homosexuality? It's not that we enjoy pointing out sin so we can start a fight. If anything, it's easier to say homosexuality is ok. but thats not what the bible teaches. It says it very plainly in Romans that a man cannot lay with another man. I have a lot more to say on the subject if you'd like to talk about it.
AnThRacKz 1 month ago
@AnThRacKz no, I think you've said quite enough to betray yourself.
integralmath 1 month ago
@integralmath how so?
AnThRacKz 1 month ago
@AnThRacKz only a religiously blinded bigot would have to ask.
integralmath 1 month ago
@integralmath Thanks for explaining, instead of giving me a non-answer.
AnThRacKz 1 month ago
@AnThRacKz you have just argued that there is something with two people having a loving, mutually beneficial relationship because of their gender. This is, by definition, bigotry. It's sexism - people may or may not be entitled to care about other people on the exclusive grounds of gender.
Only those who are dogmatic, and unthinking fail to see this for what it is.
integralmath 1 month ago
Homosexuality is an invention of the Devil, just like all sins.......
NikiGalabov 1 year ago
That is a very balanced, well reasoned, and thought out question. Well said, good sir. You continue to do your bit in the deconstruction of the God Delusion.
witness124 1 year ago
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@witness124
I will continue to do my part on the God conclusion!
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
Okay your Cookie example really is a poor example buddy sorry to say.
You Stated that your a father and you told your son he can not have any cookies before dinner, 1. That is normal, kids should eat sweets after the main course. 2. The kid should be thankful the father made the cookies at all. 3. The Son must obey what the father says no matter what. 4. It teaches the kid self control. Please, Please pick a better example next time.
highoncandy2000 1 year ago
@highoncandy2000 You missed the entire point of the analogy; I understand forbidding kids to eat cookies before dinner is normal and appropriate. I'm talking about giving people an unnecessary desire and tantalization and then forbidding it, hence the waving the cookie under the child's nose.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12 Implying you believe in some sort of Absolute Moral and ethical Belief also maybe implying this moral code comes from some sort of religious scripture. You cannot argue this point strictly because you arguing against the moral codes of christians yet taunting would represent a sin in the bible which you are now defending. Makes no sense
highoncandy2000 1 year ago
@highoncandy2000 1) I was not implying I believe in any sort of absolute moral code. I was asking what about the act of homosexuality is wrong, objectively or subjectively. 2) Objective morality does not necessitate a deity, nor does the existence of a deity necessitate (or provide) objective morality.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12 your simple reference to the issue of taunting being wrong does subject itself to SOME absolute moral code..
highoncandy2000 1 year ago
@highoncandy2000 Not at all. Taunting people is wrong, but it is still subjectively wrong. Wrong to me, my society, and in most cases my species. Point of the video stands, and the analogy still stands: if homosexuality is wrong, subjectively or objectively, why?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12 So taunting people is okay in some cases? Lol your logic is NOT there.
highoncandy2000 1 year ago
@highoncandy2000 I didn't say that either. Why do you think I said that? Something that is subjectively wrong is still wrong.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
Do you think that God said dont have sex with men just for the sake of it? If so, I cannot agree. I have found out that many people view the commandments in this sort of way over the years and I think that it is nonsense. God tells us not to kill people because He is basically saying "you know life would be much better if you didnt go around killing each other". This is the same with homosexuality, God wants us to have sex with women because he designed them for us. Men+Women+marriage=GREAT.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide But this is exactly my point, if there is nothing that is wrong with homosexuality itself, then when does God forbid it? If your answer is, "God wants us to have sex with women," that still doesn't mean there is anything wrong with homosexuality. It just means God wants us to have sex with women. What about homosexuality is the bad/wrong/evil part?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
I understand what you are saying, I do. I will try to lay out what I think for you. I assume what you are getting at is why is homosexuality is morally incorrect according to the Bible. Well it is because it was a commandment from God. It is obedience. I am sure that you will say "Well God is vain for that" but no, that is not the case. If God is God(being the definition of God) than He knows what is best for us and would command us to do what is best. That is love.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide Again, this is exactly my point. The only reason that it can possibly be considered morally reprehensible by anyone is, "God told me so." But there is no logic behind it. Why does God consider it bad? If God told us the color purple was bad, would it then be the case? Why? What about God makes his commands categorical imperatives? And what about that command is loving to the people that now have to repress their sexuality and attractions? How are they helped?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Yes there is logic behind it, the logic is God created man and woman to be compatible, that is logical. For example, a diesel engine is only supposed to have diesel fuel in it, not regular fuel or you will have problems, in this case aids. I can give you biological reasons why it is logical also. The commandments are to help us, not "God told me so". Why would God say purple is bad, the commandments are to help us and that wouldnt help us. I repress sexual desires daily
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide If you're claiming that homosexuality is harmful, please back it up with something. AIDS? Really? Straight sex can't get you that... And sex exists only for the purpose of reproduction? There goes a whole lot of straight nuptial sex as well... I didn't say repress sexual desires, I said repress sexuality and attraction. I mean they can't be with the people they want to be with because of what seems to be a completely arbitrary rule.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Yes, AIDS not only that but many other diseases are far more common in gay men. I never EVER said sex in only for reproduction, when I am married I will have sex for fun a lot. It is not an arbitrary rule if this person is a believer at all. Sexual desire and attraction run hand in hand. However, no where in the Bible does it repress sexual attration, it represses sexual actions.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide Some STDs trend higher in minority groups. African Americans account for roughly 81% of gonorrhea. Does that mean that they can't have sex either? This still does not answer my question. It's beginning to stray from the point. What about homosexuality makes it, by nature, bad. If it is merely that God commands it, then what about God commanding it makes it a categorical imperative?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
It is Biblically wrong because God said so, and because God said so it is therefore morally wrong, and because God made our bodies for different sexes. That is what I really believe and I can give you multiple biological reasons why it is a bad idea. The truth here is you and I have to different perspectives and it looks to me like no answer I give you will suffice, so we will have to just agree to disagree.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide But you are so close to answering my question! So God saying it's wrong, makes it wrong. But my question now becomes: what about God saying something is wrong, turns that command into a categorical imperative?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Can you clarify, I dont understand what you mean by categorial imperative.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide What about god commanding something turns it into an objective moral command?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
Because He is God, and He loves us. Now you probably do not like that answer, but we are supposing that God is real in this argument, and since we are that really is the answer. Homosexuality is immoral because God is God and He loves us and since He gives the commandments for our protection then we should strive not to sin.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide But isn't it taught that god is forgiving? So way is there hell and "Sins"
blameme96 1 year ago
@blameme96
Thats a really good question and I could give you a long drawn out philosophical argument on this topic, but it would take me a really REALLY long time. However, I am willing to send you a PM if you really want to know. The short of it is this. Yes, God is forgiving however there is sin and hell because in the end it will bring the most glory to God. Through death, murder, homosexuality, or what have you, God will be glorified the most, in the end. Thats the short of what I think
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide Lol, no I do not like that answer. Because it doesn't say why his commands are categorical imperatives. Even if we DO suppose God is real, it doesn't tell us why his commands must be obeyed. You could simply say there is no reason, and admit that this is a challenge to your epistemology that has no answer, but that would take a level of intellectual honesty impossible of a religious person.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
No I am being honest. You should obey the commandments because if God is God then we should obey the commandments because they will protect us. The truth is you have a view that is different than mine and you can not understand how I think until you have experience in thinking like I do, and vice versa. So we will just have to agree to disagree.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide But WHY if God is God should we obey him? Is it simply might makes right? And if so, why does might make right? That is what I am asking. I absolutely hate this way some people hide behind subjectivity or "agreeing to disagree," because they don't have an answer or don't understand the question.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
No there is no "might" in this argument. If God is God, supposing that you understand the definition of God given by philosophy than you should already know the answer. The problem is that you do not understand God, which makes this argument non-sense to both you and I. The answer is that God makes right. Not that because there "might" be a God it is right. Simply because God knows all and loves us enough to protect us with His commandments.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide That's not the form of "might" I was using. I was using it as a synonym for power. Anyway, then DEFINE the trait of God that makes his commands categorical imperatives. I mean, if I'm really not getting it because I don't understand what God is, then explain it to me.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide Homosexuality is a sin because God loves us? Do you even know what that means? Don't you see how contradictory that is to everything that Jesus Christ taught us? God is Love, and the love that a man may have for another man or a woman for another woman IS God.There are so many gay Christians who want to change, but they cannot because that goes against the very nature that God gave them. I truly believe with all my heart that God looks at people like you and He is saddened.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie
You make claims that you can not back up, what evidence supports God promoting homosexuality? I have never seen it in scripture and never will because Genesis 19:1-13, Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27,1 Corinthians 6:9 all state that homosexuality is sinful. I am a shameful man and will be the first to admit it, I am a wretch. However because of Christ I have been reconciled with God. I am afraid that you are mistaken and I think you should consider reforming your belief on this.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide I admit that I was having a bad day when I typed that. I stand by my belief that the God Who is Love could not possibly be against the love between two people on the basis of sex. Words for homosexuality and homosexual did not even exist at the time of the writing of the original texts, so from a historical point of view, it was far more likely that the Bible was referring to pagan ritual sex and in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah gang-rape.
Veronie 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide One must also look at what sin essentially is. If you look at all other sins, you can see an obvious way that each one could harm the sinner and/or those around him. With murder, stealing, rape, and lying it's all very obvious. However, the only reason that homosexuals suffer for being so is because of a anti-homosexual mentality, which came from faulty interpretations of the Bible. If it had not been for that, homosexuals would be accepted by Christians as they were before.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie
My friend you are mistaken, Matthew talks about if you hate someone in your heart you are doing the same as killing them. Hating someone is all in your head and does no harm to anyone, this is not the type of sin that you see in the Bible. Your view of scripture is a bit problematic I believe
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide If you're going to read my responses, please do it properly. I never said that an anti-homosexual mentality stopped at simple hatred. There is much verbal and physical abuse, and Christians have even killed homosexuals because of their victim's orientation. What I was saying was that there is a direct harm caused by murder, lying, and stealing, but having a certain sexuality would not bring the person harm were it not for people like you.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie
So you think that sin is simply bringing harm to others? No, blasphemy does no harm to anyone yet is the worst sin that you can commit. People like me? No you shouldnt stereotype people, I do not think that people who are homosexual and act on their homosexuality are Christians at all, "You will know them by their fruit." thats what Jesus said and unfortunately for you, homosexuality is not one of these fruits. Why should I expect people to act like a Christian if they are not?
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide Committing an act of blasphemy harms the sinner, as it harms their relationship with God. You make the decision to sin. A liar chooses to lie, and a thief chooses to steal. However, it has been proven that homosexuality is caused by genetic and environmental influences that the person has absolutely no control over. The Lord God would never punish someone for something that they did not choose to be or do. And by people like you I mean ignorant Christians.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie
So you think that Christians want trials? Job wanted to lose everything he had? I do not agree. You are wrong about blasphemy too because I have talked to many people who are not Christians that are not harmed at all by their blasphemy. Sin is not just hurting peoples feelings, sin is the breaking of Gods law, period. And according to many verses in scripture it is unlawful to be a homosexual. Yes homosexuals are that by nature because of SIN the fall of the human race.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide You are ignoring several aspects of my argument, and you are simply repeating things that I have disproven. I am through speaking to someone as close-minded and stupid as you. I wish that I could see your face the day that you die and see homosexuals walking with Christ in Heaven. That is, if you get there.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie
No you are just hard headed and liberal. You do not care what the Bible teaches, it is totally clear to all Christians that homosexuality is a sin, if homosexuality was not a sin the Bible would not address it. I am just telling you my opinion and if that upsets you than I am sorry, but pardon me it is the truth and any theologian that is known will back that up. I hope everyone is walking with Christ when I get to Heaven, but I also know that scripture teaches otherwise.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide Okay, okay, I see now. You think that all Christians and theologists think the same way that you do about homosexuality. So, it's not that you're stupid, you just haven't done much research on the subject. Over 99% of all the information that has led me to believe that homosexuality is not a sin actually came from other Christians and theologists. I read information from many priests about why homosexuality is not a sin, too.
Veronie 1 year ago
@Veronie
Oh really? Name a few...
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@Veronie
No I dont care what a Priest tells you or you read. I am saying that I do my own research and that people who also do their own research will back me up on it. Paul in his epistle to the Romans calls homosexuality an abomination...its plain and clear, and if you want to get into how homosexuality is scientifically dangerous to prove to you that it hurts people we can do that also...
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@mfaulkner12
and I am okay with that because I know that if I act on them it is not pleasing to God. That struggle draws me closer to God because I have to rely on Him to get me through that, and when I am closer to God I am happy and satisfied with Him fully. The same goes for homosexuals they fight the temptation and lean on God for strength and this brings them joy, that is what we were designed to do. That is how it helps them.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
@ItsSolaFide
Keep in mind that I am assuming that this "homosexual" that we are talking about is a believer in Christ. If they are not a believer than I do not expect them to do any of these things that I have stated. Hope that made a little more sense to you, I tried my best.
ItsSolaFide 1 year ago
Not all Christians believe that homosexuality is wrong.
maskedtruther 1 year ago
you're legit dude. keep up your work
yesjakeyes 1 year ago
GOD DID NOT MAKE ANYBODY ATTRACTED TO THE SAME SEX. THAT WAS THE PERSONS OWN SEXUAL FANTASY. no matter what age. GAY MARRIAGE cant be legal, becuase homosexuality is illegal and these people seem to think its ok, but its not, its FORBIDDEN LOVE.
ilovemybod1 1 year ago
Homosexuality is sinful and WRONG and i do mean WRONG. (not right) Because if you take a look at male and female. A male has a penis, a woman has a vagina, the penis is made to be put into the vagina, not another mans asshole. What purpose is it of sticking your penis in another mans asshole?
ilovemybod1 1 year ago
Where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is sinful? Please give me the quotes, chapters, passages please!
djbethell 1 year ago
we can all agree that incest is wrong? thats why homosexuality is wrong. they are unnatural. diseases that come from anal sex is proof of gay being wrong
ijc48 1 year ago
@ijc48 You know what else is unnatural? The computer you are on. You know what else? Medicine. You need to define natural. What about homosexuality is "unnatural?" It happens in nature.
"we can all agree that incest is wrong?"
Can we? I'd say that the burdens of incest on a society overrule the benefits of two people fulfilling their desires. Only with homosexuality, I don't see the burden on society. Does it hurt anyone? No. It is simply a relationship between two people of the same gender.
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
Burdens of incest on society? What burdens? and incest is two people fulfilling their desires. Whats the difference? the only reason we look at it as wrong is because society sees it as wrong, as with gay marriage. incest does not bring any more pestilence than gay marriage. in fact it brings none. we look down on it because it is not the norm. you can not have one without the other. thats the epitome of hypocritical
ijc48 1 year ago
@ijc48 Incest results in an extremely high birth defect rate. That is the defect on society. If it weren't for that, I'd say go for it. As long as both parties are consenting what is wrong with that?
mfaulkner12 1 year ago
@ijc48 wow....you compared incest with homosexuality here is one, adam and eve had 2 kids right? both where boys AND? then what? did they have sex with there mother or with each other? ether way its incest or homosexuality
00mirage00 1 year ago
About the generalized question "Why give us ____, and then tell us forms of ____ are wrong?"
If life were to be a test, the answer would be obvious.
yatayatayata 2 years ago
read the kolbrin bible
41312111 2 years ago
my brother is a baptist. i told him according to christians a lot of things require stoning. he said to me that was the old testament and jewish law at he time. if so homosexuality is an old testament thing and should be ignored these days.
btw the bible is the first recorded data of a lesbian marriage. that should never be forgotten. it seemns in the bible homosexuality is only for men and only a warning against wasting seed in a time they needed children to carry on things.
incredingo 2 years ago
note,the bible says man shall not lie with man like with women... also said not to waste seed. therefore it is sayin man shal not masturbate or "waste seed". in those times sons and children were needed to keep the farm going - literally. there is not one verse in the bible that says woman shall not lie with woman etc... it is only for males, wasting sed. the biblical times needed children. consider infant mortality and running the land. that says it all. that IS the old testament.
incredingo 2 years ago
I wish it was that simple and we could just say that it was just the Old Testament. However, your modern day bigot will claim that Paul condemns homosexuality and they refer to a few rather obscure passages. And remember we are talking about some LEGENDARY pick-and-choosers here. Reasoning is very difficult with them.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
I doubt in our HUGE Universe with BILLIONS of Galaxies,that there is some SKY GAWD judging what humans do with thier penis and vaginas...its ludicrous,and primitive thinking like that - that keeps humanity from moving forward!
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achilleus11 2 years ago
hey mfaulkner- Answers to questions like, "why is (insert word here) considered to be sinful?" are only meaningful when the concept of God is understood. You seem to have an idea of what God should be which is not the God I worship.
Your concept of a loving god is not the loving God that I believe in.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
What is your concept of a loving God? Because this does not seem like something any sort of a loving god would do.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
God for me is not bound by my limited experiences and ideas of love as we use the word to describe the way we treat each other. Therefore for someone to say to God, 'That's not a very loving thing to do.' Is nonsensical to me as God is that which no greater thing can be thought and as such to try to apply your subjective experience about what love is to God is meaningless.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
Ok. But the issue I take with that is that just because God calls something love does not make it loving. If God's "love" is the equivalent of our hate (maybe not hate but definitely cruelty), then why on earth would we want anything to do with it? Just because he says it's better than our "subjective" love?
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
mfaulk- The framework I use to speak of love as it relates to God is one that finds it's meaning within Christianity. To speak of 'love' as it relates to our use of the word in casual discussion concerning our actions and treatment of others is a different discussion.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
Could you perhaps define that meaning it has within Christianity. I used to be a Christian, and I don't recall ever learning of some alternative meaning of love.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
The word 'love' can be used in a variety of ways. Here's one sense of it as it relates ot God. 1 John 4:8-9
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
Maybe I'm interpreting these wrong. It seems that this is just saying that God is love and it says he proved this when he sent his son to die for us.
Ok see that is a kind of love I can understand. Sending your son to die for everyone else is a loving thing to do (a bit unnecessary if you are all powerful but that's another topic). But giving people a sex drive then forbidding so many types of sex, that seems to be the opposite of love.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
So when you say that "there's a big issue with this loving God because he does this sort of thing to us"---it doesn't make sense to me as you aren't talking about the God I believe in. You are talking about a god that you have contrived who is not meeting your expectations of what a loving god should do.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
You're right. I would expect that a loving god would not tempt us to do things that were going to get us condemned in his eyes. Might I ask how this is different from what your loving God does?
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
mfaulk- The fact you say, "I would expect..." with reference to God demonstrates that your god concept and mine are not the same. It is an absurd proposition to me that I would expect God, who is that which nothing greater can be conceived, to meet my limited view of what God should be. Because the moment God met my expectations would be the moment God would no longer be greater than anything to be conceived which is absurd.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
So something that you cannot understand, and to your limited understanding inflicts cruelty on people, is still deserving of worship?
mfaulkner12 2 years ago
mfaulk- What is worthy of worship is God. That is that which nothing greater can be conceived. Notions of cruelty outside of belief in God are subjective and arbritrary and as such don't posses meaning as it relates to worship of God.
TogetherForPeace 2 years ago
Hmm. I suppose we have a fundamental disagreement of what is worthy of worship then. See to me for something to be worth of worship it needs to ONLY benefit mankind. And it needs to benefit mankind in a real and measurable way.
mfaulkner12 2 years ago