Part if Ireland did not choose to secede from Britain - the vast MAJORITY of Ireland chose to secede from Britain, including many of the Northern counties, and even counties in Ulster. A small minority of protestants resisted the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland and created an artificial six county state based on protestant supremacy and catholic subservience. That explains the unusual hatred of Catholics - those who signed the Ulster covenant created the most sectarian state in Europe
You are not Christian. I know true Christians who would never go on youtube and castigate another religion. I am quite sure that you wouldn't spend as much time attacking Islam despite the fact it denies the divinity of Christ. Your hatred is aimed directly at Catholics. It is amusing the the orange section of Ireland proclaim religious liberty but spend their time in unprovoked attacks on the Catholic Church. You are not Christian. You have made that quite clear. I know many TRUE Christians.
There is no sympathy for the unionist, supremacist position in England or anywhere else. Your mindset is alien to all those but yourselves. The North of Ireland will never be British - it is a part of the United Kingdom but ii isn't part of Britain. Nationalists can apply for Irish passports despite the fact they were born in the 'UK.' If you enter certain areas of the Noth, it is littered with tricolours and Irish culture. The north isn't British - it will never will be.
@quiggzify Oh dear, you just can't accept part of the island belonging to someone else, can you? You sound like Gerry Adams - all that "I live in a part of Ireland that is occupied by the British". Well I'm sorry, but IRA talk isn't going to convince me otherwise. While the Irish Republic chose to secede from the United Kingdom, Ulster has shown that it wishes to remain British. My own great-great-grandfather signed the Ulster Covenant to keep Ulster British - and I'm proud of that.
Using the term 'fenians' and calling Catholic 'papists' is another example of your utter and complete ignorance, sectarian mindset and ambivalence towards Christianity. When Ian Paisley came over to England and attacked the Catholic Church in front of university students, he was heckled and booed of stage. People (protestants) in England do not understand the unionist hatred and venom towards Catholics. They reject it. They would drop the union without a second thought. To them, you're a 'paddy'
There was no vote on partition - it was therefore undemocratic. Partition was the ultimate act of betrayal to the notion iof democracy. It was an act of desperation by a people intent on retaining supermacy and dominance - something they feared they would lose in a democratic, free and independent Ireland. The though of being equal with their catholic neighbours was too much for the unionist population - jettisoning three counties to ensure supremacy.
A Christian is a person who accepts Christ as their Saviour and who seeks salvation through the atonement of Christ. I have met Catholics who are good, honest people who put Christ in the centre of their lives. As for the wannable, arrogant 'Christians' like yourself and Dr Paisley (who preached hate against Catholics all his life) you are the very thing that Christianity stands against. I can always tell a wannable Christian - they run other religions down while cliaming supremacy. Pharisees.
@quiggzify The Romanist church teaches that Christ is not the only thing that should be at the centre of its followers lives. It rejects the fullness of the cross and claims Christ's sacrifice to be not enough for salvation. I do not preach hate against Catholics - but they need to come to salvation in Christ! I am not a supremacist, I practise humility before Christ. But Romanists need to accept Christ in their lives.
@ruairidhkee If you practised humility, you would be reaching out to catholics but like I say, you are not a Christian. I have never met a catholic where Christ is not the centre of their lives. Then again, to know such a thing, you would actuall have to have MET a catholic or at least meet them without any prior sectarian sense of supremacy. You are sectarian and not once have you conceded any love or brotherly concern for your fellow christians (assuming you are a Christian)
@quiggzify I am Christian. Simple as. I place my faith in Christ above, and He is the Head of Church. I know many Catholics, and while I respect them as people, I know they have yet to find salvation in Christ - because as it stands, they have not yet fully accepted Him into their lives.
The majority of the people of Ireland voted for independence in 1919 - that democratic wish was rejected by the Unionist population who created created a sectarian state based on Protestant supremacy and who jettisoned any nearby county that had anything like an equal number of Catholics. Why should I respect the 'democratic' wished of a section of people who rejected the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland in 1919? I refuse to kill for a united Ireland. But I reject its legitimacy.
@quiggzify The people of Ulster did not want to be part of a united Ireland - so why should the Irish government force them to, when Ulster clearly wished to remain British? The partition of Ireland was democratic - because Ulster did not want to become part of a united island. The Irish people in the south may have wanted a united island, but why should they force the people of Ulster to accept that when the Ulster people themselves rejected it?
By the way, you keep saying Ulster is British. Just a very quick Geography lesson for you and all the other loyalists who don't seem to have Geography in their school curriculum. Ulster is 9 counties - not six (3 are in the Republic of Ireland) - this means that your statement 'Ulster is British' is factually incorrect. 75% is part of the United Kingdom and 25% is part of the Rep of Ireland. So, those who say that Ulster will never surrender are not correct: 25% of Ulster has surrendered.
@quiggzify Catholics are not Christian - they have rejected the cross. Look it up if you don't believe me - they pray to Mary, they include her as part of the Holy Trinity. They claim the Pope to be Supreme Head of the Church, when that job is Christ's. They have usurped the doctrine of Christ and have rejected the cross - ergo, they have rejected Christ's salvation.
@ruairidhkee By asserting that the Catholic Church hold Mary as part of the Holy Trinity you have just lost all intellectual credibility and have revealed your arguments as nothing more than sectarian bigotry and ignorance. The official Catholic doctrine of the Trinity is of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - not of Mary. Please do some research before making such comments as this only makes your arguments rather tatty and bigoted. Are you actually familiar with Catholic doctrine?
@quiggzify The Papists hold Mary to be "Daughter of God", "Mother of the Son" and "Spouse of the Holy Ghost". Such names imply her to be the fourth part of the Godhead - and this is blasphemous. She is also known by the Roman Catholic sect as "Propitiatory of the entire world" - claiming her to be salvation for our sins. Mary cannot forgive sins, and by asserting her as part of the redemption process, Romanists have rejected the fullness of the cross. They are not Christian.
@ruairidhkee Your ignorance knows no bounds. I am sure that you haven't even looked at the trinity doctrine of the Catholic Church. Catholics are only well too aware that Mary cannot deliver salvation - but as a bigot, you wouldn't believe that or even want to believe that. Ignorance is something that pervades throughout all of your posts.
@quiggzify This is taken from your own Romanist doctrine, which claims Mary to be all those things. This is blasphemous, it is putting her in the place of Christ for salvation, and Papists have therefore rejected the fullness of the cross.
I am not Catholic by the way. I just like picking you up on your sectarian anti-catholic hatred. If you were a Christian, you would be celebrating the fact that you and Catholics both accept Christ as your Saviour. But as you are not Christian, this would be a concept alien to you and the majority of sectarian loyalists who hark back to the good old days of Protestant domination. Sectarianism is hard-wired into your nature. It's your bread and butter and I feel sorry for you. Best of luck.
@quiggzify Furthermore, I never claimed that I supported the UVF or any other loyalist fighter group. I simply said that I loathed and detested the IRA for their fenian murderous tactics - and for the fact that in their statement of Easter Sunday this year, they made it clear that they would murder Ulster police officers, both Christian and Roman Catholic, as well as innocent citizens of Ulster. This is not a group with which you should associate yourself.
@ruairidhkee You are confusing the RIRA with the PIRA. The British Government, PSNI and the security forces north and south all agree on this. You need to clarify your comments as they can be taken out of context. For example, Sinn Fein condemn all dissident terrorist activity.
@quiggzify I am not confusing any part of the IRA. Whether you call them Real, Continuity or Provisional, they are still terrorists, still IRA. To whichever republican terrorist force they ally themselves, they are still threatening Ulster, and so need to be stopped.
@ruairidhkee PIRA are not the same organisation as RIRA. They are separate organisations that share 3 letters in their name. If you are referring to a Republican group not on ceasefire, then you must be referring to RIRA or CIRA. The only confusion on this thread is your confusion about Geography and the province of Ulster. Just because unionists make the same mistake as you doesn't make the perpetuation any more accurate - it just means that the unionist population are geographically challenged
@quiggzify The IRA are the IRA. Tell me the difference between them if you are so sure that they are not all terrorists, who are out to murder the people of Ulster.
@quiggzify And finally, Ulster is British. I am not referring to the old Irish province of Ulster, don't be silly. Ulster is simply an alternative unionist name for Northern Ireland. I suspect you alread know this, or you wouldn't be telling me wrongly that Ulster isn't British. I don't claim that the ancient province of Ulster is British - but that the unionist name of Northern Ireland is Ulster. And Northern Ireland is British. The Irish Republic has surrendered, but Ulster will not!
@ruairidhkee Ulster is a province - not 'an alternative unionist name for Northern Ireland.' Ulster is not an 'ancient province' as you claim. It is still a province now - along with the other three provinces in Ireland. 'The Irish Republic has surrendered' - who too. The Irish Republic won their independence. The IRA volunteers of 1916-1921 were put on a state pension by the Irish Republic as recognition for defeating imperial Britain. That is why it is called the War of Independence.
@quiggzify Yes, Ulster is an alternative name for Northern Ireland. That is why such institutions as BBC Radio Ulster have their names - which does not extend into the Irish Republic. Ulster may be the name of a province of the island of Ireland - I do not dispute that. But it is also the unionist name for Northern Ireland - listen to any old unionist politician, or look at the names of loyalist paramilitaries. They took the name Ulster for Northern Ireland.
The UVF killed no more than 20 Republican paramilitaries during their campaign of genocide against the catholic population. They killed twice as many loyalist paramilitaries as they did Republicans. They were shooting Catholics before a shot was fired in the recent conflict - and they were bombing their own country in a vain attempt to resist civil rights in much the same way as the KKK resisted civil rights in the southern states of the USA in the 60s. There would be no 'PIRA' but for the UVF
@quiggzify The PIRA were not the first republican terrorists - the Old IRA started a border campaign of terrorist tactics as early as the 1930s - when Ulster was happily enjoying Protestant unity. The UVF would not have even started in 1966 had it not been for the fenian tactics of the Old IRA.
@ruairidhkee The border campaign ended in 1962 and that campaign ended in 1962 - four years befoe the UVF engaged on their sectarian murder spree. Your sectarian minset is revealed by comments such as 'Protestant unity' - you imply that Ulster (9 counties) is somehow 'Protestant.' The North of Ireland is not protestant but is in fact populated by both faiths. It is exactly that sectarian mindset that turned the North into the worst sectarian administration in the world. You are cleary sectarian
@quiggzify I never claimed to support the UVF - again, you assume. I am not so terrorist-minded. However, Northern Ireland is now almost united in its will to remain British - as shown by reviews carried out by the Guardian in 2010, which proved that only 16% of Ulster people want to unite with the Irish Republic, compared to 73% who wish to remain British. This includes a majority of Roman Catholics even who have seen the light and wish to stay British.
@ruairidhkee I dispute that 16% of Ulster people want to remain part of the UK. I am sure that the population in Donegal are quite happy in the Republic for example - I very much doubt they would want to revert to the imerial status quo of the early 19th century. The state known as Northern Ireland was created against the wish of the people of Ireland and has no democratic legitimacy. The 1919 free elections in Ireland were rejected by the Unionists. I therefore reject the link with Britain
@quiggzify You can reject the link with Britain all you want - but Ulster is remaining British. Why should both the British and Irish governments go against the wish of the people of Ulster? In Fermanagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Londonderry, Armagh and Down, the people want to remain part of the UK. So by your own democratic standards, Ulster will remain British, because that is what the people want.
@ruairidhkee The democratic wishes of the people of Ireland were rejected in 1919 - therefore the state of Northern Ireland has no legal legitimacy. The people of Ireland in 1919 voted for Independence - the democratic will of the people was rejected. Three counties of Ulster were jettisoned to ensure an artificial majority of protestants in a sectarian statelet which became one of the most horrifying sectarian administrations in the world.
@quiggzify The people of Ulster wished for their province to remain as part of the United Kingdom - and chose to do this as soon as the Anglo-Irish Treaty was signed in 1921. Why should the Irish Republic claim sovereignty over Ulster when the Ulster people wanted to remain British? That would not be, as you keep reiterating, democratic. And furthermore, my own great-great-grandfather signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 to protest against Irish Home Rule - dare you call him undemocratic too?
@ruairidhkee You don't understand democracy or Christianity - that much is obvious from your posts. In 1919, the people of Ireland voted for independence. The partition of Ireland was unconsitutional - and against the will of the people of Ireland. The unionist section of Ireland were a minority in Ireland but they chose to jettison three counties of Ulster (because there were too many Catholics!) to create an artificial sectarian majority of Protestants. Democracy, no, Fascism, yes
@ruairidhkee By your backward understanding of democracy, I could also suggest that as there is a majority of Nationalists in South Armagh, they too could opt out of the union. After all, if a section fo people in six counties could opt to stay in the union in 1921, then surely we could have a county by county roll call to see who would like to maintain the union. That is the slippery slope of your understanding of democracy. The partition of Ireland was unconstititional.
It was the UVF and the UDA who resisted political reform and civil rights: loyalists were murdering catholics and bombing their way around the North before PIRA even existed. Loyalist mobs were burning Catholics out of their homes - troops were sent in to protect Nationalist areas from loyalist mobs. The state known as 'Northern Ireland' was one of the most overtly sectarian states in the whole world. Loyalist aggression and resistance to civil rights gave rise to the provos.
Hail hail and god bless the IRA, is right. Fuck the British. It's been great watching them scum on the tv arriving back in their coffins from afghanistan.
BBC News January 2006: Unionists have reacted angrily to a police assessment that the PIRA is still involved in organised crime. The comments by Sam Kinkaid, the PSNI's most senior detective, contradicted Security Minister Shaun Woodward who last month said the Provos were not active.
The DUP has called for Mr Woodward to resign, while the UUP has said the police view was a "damning assessment" of his credibility. Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams described the briefing as "a political intervention".
@oz1641 You're making up complete lies and it's fucking hilarious hahahahhahahahhahah!!!
Quigziffy and I are stating actual,true facts.
Whereas you're just making up lies because you have no knowledge of the troubles.
The British army document that was released in 2007 that the provo's where politically armed,dangerous,clever and through further research it was proved they weren't involved in organized crime.
@Gdyear1916 What "lies" am I making up!!? Back up your spurious claims lol. The Provos weren't involved in organised crime!?! hahahahaha what do you call bringing in tonnes of cocaine from FARC in Columbia?! What do you call robbing £26 million fro the Northern Bank?! Fucking moronic sepo! You couldn't even point to Northern Ireland on a map Ffs.........
@Gdyear1916 Oh bravo!! You applied for your MENSA membership yet brainbox!?! If that's the best you can do you'd be better to forget about it. "ooh ah up the ra" hahahahahahaha Ffs hahahaha!!
@Gdyear1916 You murderous bastard, you suppporter of terrorist atrocities. How dare you praise an illegal, immoral terrorist organization, one that has callously killed British and Irish citizens alike. You disgust me.
Also terrorist?Yea,officially they are,but one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
hehehehhe,since you're so keen to call me a "murderous bastard",are you forgetting about the brave 'black and tans' who raped,abused,tortures and murdered innocent Irish people for decades?Are you forgetting when the "brave" British army that slaughtered and murdered the whole aborigine population of Tasmania because of skin colour?
@Gdyear1916 Did I ever say I condone what those people did? No. You simply assume, since I appear to loathe the IRA. And that I do - the IRA is nothing but mindless, psychotic murderers. Yes, I am a loyalist - but that doesn't mean that I support what the Black & Tans did - despite the exaggerations with which you have provided me re: their activities.
Ulster will not surrender to your fenian terrorist atrocities that still carry on now. How dare you support the IRA.
@ruairidhkee You think I am exaggerating?!You seriously think I am exaggerating what those bastards did to my great Grandfather and his friends and family?
No,what you said was "you murderous bastard" - and people that support the British army,who just incase you haven't been watching the news lately,got caught videoing the torture of prisoners in the middle east and they beat an innocent man to death and he had with a wife and kid,what I am saying is "pot kettle" my idiotic friend.
@Gdyear1916 Once again, you have failed to actually see what I am saying; instead, you only respond to the parts which make you visibly angry. I never said I supported the British Army's actions which you have referenced, nor those of the Black & Tans. You simply assume - wrongly, in fact. Yes, I support the British Army overall - but that does not mean I support some of their more specific actions.
@Gdyear1916 Furthermore, how dare you condemn those who hurt your family, and then visibly support a terrorist action group who has killed and maimed my family and friends in Ulster. The IRA will never succeed - because Ulster people have realized that its fenian politics have no place in decent British society. Say what you will - BUT WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER. The Ulster people have always stood firm against your fenian atrocities. And they always will.
@ruairidhkee The IRA never targeted innocents - fact.
... and you know what?Even if an innocent human was caught in one of their bombs they 'still' came out and took full responsibility,whereas the British army denied all wrong doing for 'EVERYTHING' they ever done during their occupation of Ireland,and they were always protected by the British courts.Fuck me,it took a prime minister nearly 40 years after Bloody Sunday to come out and apologize.The British army are still occupying foreign land.
@Gdyear1916 If the IRA never targeted innocents, then they have a lot more explaining to do. Over 3000 people died as a result of their fenian activities, and not all these people were British Army members! Justice may have been 'done' for the families of those who died in the illegal march on Bloody Sunday in Londonderry - but where is the justice for all those killed by the IRA? You are a loathsome creature, and your fenian politics have no place in British Ulster.
@ruairidhkee Again,I will state the fact that they never targeted innocents.
You're scum,I kinda feel bad for you?You've been brainwashed to 'actually' think invading and oppressing foreign countries is right? Disgracefull.
The British army are the most hated organization in the World,LOL even America were planning to invade and the fucking nazi's saved your skin by invading a foreign country and starting a war (see the similarities hehehehe?)
@Gdyear1916 God will never bless the IRA unless they turn to Him. Catholics are not Christians.
As to your point about how I'm brainwashed to think that we invaded Ulster, consider this: the last survey carried out independently of opinion in Ulster said this. 73% of the Ulster people wished for Ulster to remain British. 52% of Catholics wished for Ulster to remain British. Only 16% of people wanted Ulster to unite with the Irish Republic. If the people are themselves British, we did not invade!
@Gdyear1916 OK, first of all it's Catholics, not Catholics. Get your grammar right. And secondly, no they're not Christians. The church in Rome is a false church that has usurped the doctrine of Christ - they actively teach against the salvation of the cross. Oh, and on that note - I don't remember Jesus saying it was OK for Irish terrorists to kill people...do you?
well if what you were trying to say idiot was is it's catholics,not catholic's,my computer has a automatic type-check programme.
Yes you complete fucking spastic,we are Christians weather you like it or not,and we were a religion before the protestant religion so get it fucking up you xD!!
People that don't see us as Christians,are just sectarian fagots and Rangers fans heheheheheh (you're probably both) ... my sympathy goes to you.
@Gdyear1916 No. Catholics are not Christian. They claim to be - oh, yes! - but they have usurped the doctine of Christ by imposing new rules that they claim to be essential to salvation. In addition to this, they worship false gods and place things in higher importance than Jesus Christ. This is not Christian.
@ruairidhkee Nah we are,no matter what sectarian protesters say hehehe!!
lmfao and you think that's to do with politics!!? people 'at this point' want to stay British because the Euro zone is a fucking disaster ahahahahhahahah!! just wait till all this economic crisis clears up,the republicans are using and taking the piss out of the British economy and after the Euro zone has improved everyone including KING GERRY will laugh at the stupid bastards like you that didn't notice lmfao!
@Gdyear1916 Oh, you really are brainwashed, aren't you? Of course you think you're a Christian - the Catholic sect says you are, including the so-called 'Vicar of Christ' - how blasphemous.
And yes, it is to do with politics and hardly anything to do with economics. There has never been a point when more people of Ulster wanted a united Ireland than the retention of the United Kingdom - even in good economic times. So I'm sorry, but the IRA are fighting a war that nobody wants. It's pathetic.
@Gdyear1916 No. You're not a Christian. I know that the Catholic sect has yet to truly recieve Christ - for now, they have rejected His authority.
And what of your last message? I replied to your presumption that when the Eurozone crisis is over, Ulster people will want to join with the Irish Republic. But I tell you now: this is not the case. As I have already said, the people of Ulster have NEVER shown a majority wanting a united Ireland. The IRA are fighting an ever-losing battle.
@ruairidhkee It is a little bit presumptious to presume that Catholics don't truly receive Christ. The Catholic Church is not a sect - it was the original Christian faith (although it could be described as a Jewish sect). By definition, all protestant and dissenter churches are technically sects as they have broken away from the original Church. Anybody can have a relationship with Christ - a member of the Catholic Church can also have a relationship with christ, as can a Protestant.
@ruairidhkee Are you actually aware that it was the UVF who started killing in 1966 and who released a statement saying that they would mercilessly execute IRA members? They then went out and killed two innocent Catholics. In 1969, the UVF bombed electricity plants in the North in an attempt to implicate the IRA and stop political reform. Before PIRA even existed. PIRA were formed to resist loyalist aggression: from the sectarian state forces and the loyalists mobs roaming the streets.
@Gdyear1916 Oh, and I notice you haven't replied to my statistics showing that the majority of Ulster wishes to remain British. Sad for the IRA that they're fighting in Ulster for something the Ulster people don't actually want, eh?
@ruairidhkee Catholics are Christians - they accept Jesus Christ as their saviour. They believe that it is through his atonement that salvation is possible. You are truly ignorant to think that you know that you know the motives and personal relationship that Catholics have with their Saviour.
@ruairidhkee You state that 3000 people died as a result of IRA actions. Do yyou actually realise that the loyalists killed almost 1000 of that total - the vast majority of which were catholic civilians. These facts are widely available and easy to access - try it some time. The reason that there was an inquiry into Bloody Sunday was because government forces killed unarmed civilians at a peaceful march. What would an enquiry into an IRA/UFF attack prove? We already why and who done it.
Mr Kinkaid, the PSNI's assistant chief constable in charge of crime operations, gave his assessment of the PIRA's activities during a private briefing to the Policing Board on Tuesday.
It is believed Mr Kincaid said there had been significant progress in terms of ending some activities on the part of the PIRA, such as paramilitary attacks, armed robberies and drug dealing.
26/6/76 The day after a PIRA gun attack on a pub in Templepatrick leaves 3 Protestant civilians dead, the Ulster Freedom Fighters shot OIRA member Danny Mackin at Brookvale St., off the Cliftonville Rd. in north Belfast. He is listed by CAIN as a "Catholic Civilian".
6/10/76 Francis Nolan, listed as "Catholic Civilian". PIRA member shot by the UFF at his home at Victoria Gardens in north Belfast. His name not only appears on the Provos "Roll of Honour" but also in the book Tirghra.
25/1/76 Raymond Mayes & John Tennyson senior members of the AOH, killed in a bomb attack, Conway St., Lisburn. Both legitimate targets for Loyalists since the PIRA, OIRA, INLA etc considered senior members of the Orange Order as being legitimate targets.
2/2/73 Paddy Brady, again listed as "Catholic Civilian", Brady was in fact a senior member of the paramilitary 'Catholic Ex Serviceman's Association (CESA) which was an Irish nationalist vigilante group similar to the Central Citizens Defence Committee (CCDC).
14/5/73 John McCormac, Falls Rd. Commander of Central Citizens Defence Committee, listed as "Catholic Civilian" even though he was manning a barricade and armed with a .32 revolver when he was killed by the UVF at Raglan Street.
Some more evidence of the unreliable nature of CAIN/Sutton;
14/10/72 Joe McCrystal, listed as a "Catholic Civilian". McCrystal was in fact a PIRA member, a fact attested to by the fact that a death notice in the Irish News claimed him as such and also by the fact that he came from a prominent republican family.
31/10/72 James Kerr, listed as a "Catholic Civilian", he was in fact a senior member of the Provo's youth wing, Fianna Eireann. Listed as PIRA by the 'Belfast Republican Graves' group.
@quiggzify "All sectaiain Loyalists" hahaha typical, when under pressure resort to the 'sectarianism card'. Laughable really. When have I, or any other Loyalist, referred to religion or sect, in reply to your purile rants on here??! Come on mastermind lol, back up your facile statements!!! If in doubt shout: SECTARIAN!! That must be lesson one in the PIRA/SF political handbook Ffs. Try harder next time.
Loyalists are more than welcome to not post on this channel. There are countless other videos on youtube in which they are most welcome but they come back time and time again posting the same trite. All I have to say is this: - 83% catholic civilian casualties - Killed nearly twice as many Loyalist Paramilitaries as they did Repub Paras - They have no political representation - They have been engaged in feuding for nearly 20 years - The IMC and the ARA confirm drugs and criminality
@quiggzify "They have been engaged in feuding for nearly 20 years"!?? What!?! You are now alleging that Loyalist groups have been feuding since 1991??! Are you serious?!! hahahahaha is 1991 the year you were born!?! hahahaha. Btw republican murder gangs have been engaged in feuding since 1970!!!
I see you ignored the post I made about the ranks of PIRA/SF being populated by rapists and paedophiles!!? Selective eyesight strikes again!!
Maume, in his book titled 'loyalists since 1965' said that Loyalists 'generally are less disciplined and politically aware that the IRA with a larger criminal element.' This is further demonstrated by the complete and total descent of loyalist froups into complete and comprehensive criminality and drugs - confirmed by the IMC and the ARA. Both of which assert that there is no such comparison with the provisional movement.
@quiggzify In which IMC reports do they state this!!? as for the ARA they no longer even exist. In his book 'Loyalists' Peter Taylor does not mention drug dealing within Loyalist ranks even once! Is that not strange if what you allege is true?! Taylor is considered the foremost expert on paramilitary, terrorist and insurgent groups around the world, with a particular knowledge of the Conflict in Northern Ireland.
The difference between my 'ranting fits' and the ramblings of a loyalist is that in the case of criminality and drugs, the British Government and their department who freeze assets belonging to criminals as well as the Independent Monitoring Commission both assert that Loyalists are up to their necks in drugs while the provisional movement are not involved as a whole-scale organisation. Loyalists have killed nearly 20 of their criminal drug-dealing paramilitary friends since the ceasefire. Easy.
@quiggzify As I have said before quiggzify, repeating something ad nauseum does not make it true, I clearly stated yesterday why the Loyalist feud started, that is accepted by the majority of people as being the truth. Don't let that stand in the way of your petty republican agenda though will you!!
Loyalist groups had so much intelligence about the IRA that 'they didn't know what to do with it.' In the words of Bobby Philpott: 'We knew what colour socks they were wearing.' Despite this, they killed no more than 4% Republican paramilitaries and their victims were almost exclusively catholic civilians. Not collateral damage, not mistaken identity - Catholics were and always have been the ACTUAL target. Backed up by every index regarding the conflict. So easy to refute this nonsense.
@quiggzify How many of those "Catholic civilians" later turned out to be PIRA/SF members!!? or members of other republican groups?!, since their second ceasefire the Provos have claimed at least 16 "Catholic civilians" as members of their murderous organisation. Not to mention the number of active republican supporters killed, people who were out raising funds for, and giving safe haven to, the INLA, OIRA, PIRA, IPLO etc. All of them legitimate targets for Loyalists.
Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community."
The Independent Monitoring Comission and The Assets Recovery Agency (British Government Department) have both confirmed strong Loyalist involvement in Drugs while both have also stated that PIRA are not involved.
The IMC stated in 2006: “The UDA’s heavy involvement in crime, including drug dealing and blackmail, continues and in some parts of the organisation criminality can be described as endemic,” said the report.
Loyalist complicity in drugs is also further proven in that, unlike the Provisionals and Republicanism in general, since the ceasefires Loyalists have been consistently killing each other in drug/crime related feuding in which nearly 20 loyalists have been assasinated (some with their throats slit).
The IMC, ARA and the consistent bloody fueding of loyalists (criminal and drug related) tells the true and full story of the comprehensive and total loyalist descent into drugs and crime.
quiggzify's agenda is abundantly clear, he seeks to marginalise and down play Loyalists because he wishes to further the narrow agenda of PIRA/SF. This infantile ranting fits the 'modus operandi' of Irish nationalism perfectly. Refusing to answer questions, swerving points which he/she believes to be awkward or embarrassing, prevaricating and repeating the same tripe over and over again in order to attempt to give validity to his ramblings! Pitiful really...yet highly amusing.
Some the actions of the Loyalist groups were wrong. But as I have said here before, they did not have an easily indentifiable enemy, wearing a uniform, the republican criminal scum did. The actions of the republican movement were truly despicable, So called "Proxy Bombs", the Claudy bombing, blowing up the Warrington branch of Argos on a busy Saturday afternoon killing two young boys, butchering six O.A.Ps in Coleraine etc etc etc "Their deeds would shame all the Devils in Hell"
An "anti imperialist" struggle against a supposedly "foreign" enemy is much easier to gain sympathy for than a squalid inter ethnic fight against ones neighbours. This is why Irish national chauvinists like to simply sweep aside any mention of militant Loyalism. Unfortunately for them however, it is the very people that they marginalise and ignore, that will in the end, determine the future of this territory.
If an organisation loses some of it's most high level members in violent actions by an enemy grouping, then if that organisation does not regard their enemy as being a priority, then they are either stupid or cowardly. Irish nationalists liked to down play the role of Loyalists because they liked to present the situation here in very simplistic terms of them vs. the British Army/Government, not as them vs. their neighbours!!
Those republicans from the provisional movement who were not involved with FARC, ETA, KLA etc, that were not up to their filthy necks in drugs or prostitution, or who were not involved in raping their own family members or molesting children (Liam Adams, Briege & Martin Meehan, Francie Brolly, Darky Hughes etc) Were mostly informers for RUC Special Branch or Army Intelligence! Their sworn enemies lol.
Loyalist complicity in drugs is also further proven in that, unlike the Provisionals and Republicanism in general, since the ceasefires Loyalists have been consistently killing each other in drug/crime related feuding in which nearly 20 loyalists have been assasinated (some with their throats slit).
The IMC, ARA and the consistent bloody fueding of loyalists (criminal and drug related) tells the true and full story of the comprehensive and total loyalist descent into drugs and crime.
@quiggzify This is absolute shite, the Loyalist feud was because the LVF broke away from the UVF, elements of the UDA/UFF then sided with Billy Wright and the LVF. Fuck all to do with drugs, NOTHING!! Unlike within republicanism, Loyalist groups have a level of discipline and they do not allow people to just break away and form splinter group after splinter group!!
The Independent Monitoring Comission and The Assets Recovery Agency (British Government Department) have both confirmed strong Loyalist involvement in Drugs while both have also stated that PIRA are not involved.
The IMC stated in 2006: “The UDA’s heavy involvement in crime, including drug dealing and blackmail, continues and in some parts of the organisation criminality can be described as endemic,” said the report.
The IMC and ARA know what they are talking about. They unbiased and indendent
@quiggzify "They unbiased and indendent" hahahaha calm down and learn how to spell Ffs!! Produce this IMC report, or at the very least inform us which IMC report this was supposed to be in!? Just give the date.
Or are you going to run away again?? Because so far you've run away with your tail between your legs twice lol.
Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community."
This guy is a troll with at least two youtube identities. He spends all of his time on youtube to the extent that I had posted a comment to his alter-ego Maghera and two minutes later Oz1641 replies back.
Not one of the facts below contain any government or political sources and he constantly refers to dissidents while I am specifically referring to the Provisionals.
@quiggzify I have only one account, but because you're such a lying bastard that constantly posts shite on this video I like to come on and pick you up on this crap. Btw can you not fucking read!? What about the reports from the Irish Observer I posted about the Provos in Dublin being up to their dirty necks in drug dealing!!? Fucking selective eye sight!?! hahaha typical republican scumbag!!
He is also said to have raped a Brazilian transsexual who was working independently in a Dundalk hotel after the prostitute refused to hand over earnings.
None of the prostitutes questioned by gardai, however, felt safe enough to co-operate and they fear they will be killed if they speak to police. It is understood that over the past two years, the CIRA prostitution racket has spread to Dublin and Belfast.
@oz1641 Ahahahhahahah,you and that other deluded prick no absolutely nothing.
The Provisional IRA every year,when they released their Easter messages stated clearly that anyone involved in trafficking of any kind,especially drug dealing would be targeted and most definitely executed.
In 2007 when the British army document was released about the troubles it stated clearly that the provisional IRA were politically well equipped and "clever".
@Gdyear1916 So because the Provos say it then it must be true!!? hahaha you fucking brain washed prick. Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it true lol. "Sectarain, racist, drug dealing scum", aye you just described the Provos and the INLA, IPLO etc! "Ireland for the Irish" is that not racist brain box??!
The provo's objective was to clear the Northern Counties of British occupation through targeting the British army,British political figures and the British economy - fact
If they targeted protestants you deluded inbred,then how exactly would that get them closer to a United Ireland?
The PSNI stated that the IRA where intelligent and politically armed,whereas the UVF and UFF where drug dealers.
Dissident republicans are running prostitution rackets using young women trafficked into Ireland by the Eastern European mafia.
And the head of the Continuity IRA (CIRA) in Co Louth has been uncovered as a central figure in the trafficking and enslavement of the young women.
According to gardai, this man -- who is in his early 40s and married with children -- has also raped several of the young women trafficked into Ireland.
The KLA would not be the first guerrilla movement to turn to drugs to finance its struggle. The Shining Path in Peru, the Revolutionary Armed Forces in Colombia, the Chechen rebels in Russia, the mujahedin in Afghanistan, even the PIRA have relied on drugs money to prosecute what they see as wars of national or class liberation. Indeed there is evidence that the PIRA traded guns to the Kosovars in return for high grade heroin on at least three occasions.....
Across Europe, police express growing concern about links between the drugs market and the KLA: I have spoken to senior police officers in both Norway and Sweden who believe that there are such links. But the dislocation of the transactions makes it difficult to prove them: while drugs are sold in western and northern Europe, weapons tend to be bought nearer the conflict in Kosovo.....
It was alleged that one of the men had offered his "services" to a rightwing paramilitary group in Colombia and that he had visited the country before.
The new claims have led to fresh calls on Sinn Fein to give fuller explanations about any links it has to the men.
There is anger and frustration that the Sinn Fein president, Gerry Adams, has remained silent on the issue despite it putting pressure on the peace process and casting doubt on the integrity of the PIRA ceasefire.
Security forces have been monitoring a suspected three-way link between the Provos, the Basque separatists ETA, and the Colombian drug cartel Farc for almost a year, it emerged yesterday.
Revelations of the possible relationship come as new claims about the three PIRA men charged with helping to train members of Farc emerged in Colombia....
Christy had always been someone the PIRA could deny and deny they did, but for those of us who know the truth Christy Griffin was one of the PIRA’s best earners in Dublin. Christy Griffin had been paid hundreds of thousands of Euro by the PIRA in Dublin for his good works on their behalf. The PIRA Commanding officer in Dublin continued and continues to pay money into the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein organization, this money is laundered through a myriad of front businesses.
but was one of the many properties owned by the Officer Commanding the Provisional IRA in Dublin. The OC of the PIRA in Dublin was a close working associate of one of Dublin’s most notorious or now infamous criminals, Christy Griffin. In 2006 a feud had broken out in the north inner city of Dublin, after it emerged that Christy Griffin had been accused of raping his girlfriend’s daughter since she was a toddler.
While the Celtic Tiger roared around the country in October 2006 few even blinked at what was a significant Garda raid in the leafy suburb of Rathfarnham in Dublin. The Gardai raided a very fine house that was nestled among the manicured lawns and polished BMWs of the up market Rathfarnham suburb. The house with a market value of at least two million Euro at that time was not the home of a property speculator or banking executive,
Dublin’s north inner city is now home to an alliance of some of Ireland’s most seasoned and ruthless terrorists and drug dealing criminals. On an almost daily basis these terrorists distribute drugs, illegal cigarettes, fuel, counterfeit CDs/DVDs while at the same time planning and carrying out armed robberies where and when possible. IRISH OBSERVER, Monday, 27th September 2010
While the terrorists continue to make vast sums of money from open criminality, the Gardai can now pursue that criminality in a way that they could not as the Government tried and succeeded in corralling Sinn Fein into the democratic process.These PIRA members who have not joined any ‘dissident’ group have now teamed up with ‘dissidents’ and other criminal gangs to maximize their profits.
Dissidents, Provisional IRA and Drug Dealers team up to profit from criminality.
During the embryonic years of the ‘peace-process’ when Provisional IRA murders and other criminality were viewed as ‘internal-housekeeping’ by the British and Irish Governments entrepreneurial terrorists made fortunes.
Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community."
The extent that of loyalist criminality and drug dealing is such that killing catholic civilians was most likely a cover for their own criminal activities which always took precedence over any political or military considerations - this is proven by the descent of loyalism into feuding and drug dealing after their commitment to ending the random slaughter of innocent catholics. The IMC have confirmed this. The ARA have confirmed the sheer scale of the loyalist drug dealing operations. Riff Raff
@quiggzify SO WHY NO CONVICTIONS OF LOYALISTS FOR DRUG DEALING?????? RE PRODUCE THIS PHANTOM IMC REPORT! its all balls you rebel bastard and you know it.
@MagheraUFF bwahahahahahhahahha,you're a lying cunt!
The McGonigal brothers you clueless bastard where caught and banned from all republican paramilitary activity and they where both told by the PIRA,that if they were ever caught on the streets dealing they would be executed,regardless of who they represented.
So again another stupid,inbred,anti-catholic and I must point out - typical loyalist prick,has been caught posting up more made up fucking lies.
The IMC stated that criminality within the UDA was 'endemic' unlike Sinn Fein and the IRA, who they said have embraced peaceful politics.The Shoukri brothers and their criminal drug dealing pals are the biggest criminals in Belfast, in not Northern Ireland. The recent in-feuding has been almost exclusively fueled by drugs and rackateering. So, in summary, the PSNI, the ARA, the IMC, loyalists themselves, investigative authors and journalists all agree; Loyalists are drug dealing criminals
@quiggzify hahahahaha you self righteous wee dick. I can come up with just as many people to admit that the provos were and still are up to there eyes in drugs, prostituition, illegal cigarettes and rackets. Why do you support a group that killed more catholics than Loyalist paramilitaries did?
@MagheraUFF This is so easy. I can refer to statements from the IMC, ARA, PSNI and numerous investigative authors and you can come with absolutely nothing. The IMC have described loyalist crime and drug activities and 'endemic.' The ARA have done the same, only they have been more specific with a direct link to drugs in the loyalist community - run by loyalist paras. No such link to PIRA - never has been - never will be. You have absolutely nothing but complete and utter gossip. IMC, ARA > SFA
According to the IMC, Sinn Féin and the IRA army council have adhered to their commitment to peaceful politics. The loyalist paramilitary organisations, the UDA, LVF and UVF – despite some acts of decommissioning – have not. Why? They are consolidating their criminal and drugs empire. The PSNI and ARA agree, as do senior loyalists such as Stone, Gallagher and nearly every investigative journalist. Again, the reality of loyalist criminality and drug dealing at this moment in time is absolute
@quiggzify Youve got it bad, coming on here every half an hour or so to spout more shite and lies haha. Thought you werent for replying anymore??? hahahaha ffs PSNI? They will confirm what I have said about the major drug dealers in Co. Londonderry and parts of Tyrone and Antrim all being republicans. Not that long ago that the Provos whacked Crooky O'Kane in a drugs feud in Londonderry because he was their main competition lol.
You don't need to go back to the 70s, 80s and 90s to find examples of loyalist drug dealing and feuding. Since the ceasefires loyalists have done one thing and one thing only: feud, crime and drugs. This has been documented by loyalists themselves (Stone, Brown to name but two), investigative authors who interviewed loyalists (Ian Wood) and government agencies investigating drugs (ARA). In contrast, Republicans are in government and have been exonerated of drugs (ARA). Bye Bye mo chara xx
You don't need to go back to the 70s and 80s to find examples of feuding and criminality for loyalist groups. Since the ceasefires, loyalist have done one thing and one thing only: feud, kill and descend into criminality. This has been documented by authors (Ian Wood to name but one), loyalists themselves (Michael Stone to name but one) and government agencies (ARA). Republicans (provos) on the other had are not believed to be involved in Drugs (ARA) and are in government. Bye bye mo chara xx
@quiggzify Good of you to concede that Sinn Fein and the PIRA are the same thing! You have gotten so worked up and upset that youre posting your garbage twice! hahaha take a deep breath now 'mo chara'. Sean O'Callaghan (author and former provo godfather) admits that as far back as the mid 70s the provos were involved in drugs "among a number of shady and underhand activities".
Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community. So, there you have it. Everybody agrees.
@quiggzify Utter shite lad. This is total and utter shite. The republican areas are over run with dealers, thats why huge numbers of young people in them areas are commiting suicide! They either get so badly hooked that there lives arent worth living or they get into debt to republican drug dealers like 'dark Cloud' (INLA) Sean Kelly (PIRA) and when they do themselves in, no such suicide epidemic in the Loyalist community, I wonder why????
@MagheraUFF You're being completely outsmarted off that other guy,you don't have a fucking clue about the troubles and neither does your other hun friend.
The provisional IRA executed drug dealers - catholic and protestant,as it was their job,they were the true soldiers of Ireland.
Lets look at something official,lets look at rule number two of the PIRA and RIRA rules and penalties
- "Anyone caught in the dealing and/or selling of drugs will not be tolerated by your local brigade"
Michael Stone won't go anywhere near the UDA now because all that is left is 'gangsterism and drugs' - his words. Loyalism is the most prominent and fruitful source of all drugs in the UK (along with their kin in Scotland). The LVF make IPLO look like law-abiding sober citizens. Using Jim Mc Cann as the number one example of IRA complicity in drug dealing, even though he was expelled for the organisation for that very reason, is the worst of all the poor efforts from a loyalist desperado
@quiggzify Jim McCann was not expelled from the ranks of the Provos and if he ever decides to come back to Belfast he'll get a heroes welcome from your republican friends. But anyway I thought you were away? couldnt resist another wee dig could you Paddy? hahaha
Loyalist drugs and criminality: UVF, LVF and the UFF were involved in the 'guns for drugs' scam investigated by the Scottish Drug Enforcement Agency. Frankie Gallagher admits UDA personell deal drugs. Ian Wood interviewed countless loyalists in the UDA who freely admitted the extensive drug dealing empire of thd UDA (Adair was high as a kite during UDA meetings). Recent feuding, such as the killing of Paul Wassy, was motivated by control of drugs. All documented and in black in white. Druggies.
@quiggzify Biggest drug dealers in Limavady, the McGonigle brothers, both of them PIRA men. Biggest drug dealers in Coleraine, Skeets Neil (PIRA) and the McDaids (INLA), Biggest drug dealers in Londonderry, the RIRA and the INLA, biggest drug dealers in Cookstown, the PIRA. All documented in black and white. Druggies.
4th of March 1972 a PIRA bomb explodes WITHOUT WARNING in the Abercorn Restaurant, Belfast. Killing two women. 14th of April the PIRA detonate 24 bombs in towns and cities across NI, most exploded without warning. By some miracle no one was killed. 31st July 'Bloody Monday' the Claudy bombing, a no warning PIRA bomb kills nine civilians. Just a few examples from one single year of the Conflict.
And before I forget, the whole drug dealing thing that you continually ignore had been well documented by Ian Wood in 'Crimes of Loyalty' in which the author actually interviews members of the organisation who have stated on the record that Adair and C company (to name but one) were not only taking drugs but were also 'selling large quantities of drugs to make substantial amounts of money.' Drug dealing was rife in the UDA/UFF. As you well know. I'll leave you alone now. Troll off now. Bye.
@quiggzify 'Troll off now' you trying to tell me what to do???? hahahaha poor wee mope, just because somebody puts something in a book doesnt make it true lol. I have solid concrete evidence to back up what I say about republicans being up to their eyes in drug dealing!
Happy trolling to you both. May your channels glorifying loyalist civilian killers bring you much joy and fulfillment. Good luck in trying to portray loyalists as 'being at war with Republicans' - if you pull that off in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, you are very talented indeed. May I also wish you good luck in finding any independent, reputable academic sources, political tomes, or any other analystic material that will suggest loyalist were anything but sectarian killers. Bye.
I'm sure that you must be a busy man what with all the daily trolling you do on Republican channels trying to convince the world that loyalists really were at war with the provos and not just with catholic civilians. It must be so satisfying to have a channel glorifying men who killed 83% innocent civilians and who have now descended into drugs and criminality. Unfortunately for you, loyalism will never stand up to scrutiny in future generations - the facts will tell their own story.
@quiggzify Yes they will, youre trying to white wash recent history is futile hahaha. Armed republicanism was defeated lol. you call it decommissioned if ye like! maybe that will make you feel better lol. 'satisfying' is winding up wee republican cunts like you who try to justify the Provos murder of men women and kids! while at the same time criticising Loyalists. republicans- guilty of war crimes!
As Maume said in his book 'Loyalists since 1965' "loyalists were generally less disciplined and politically aware than the IRA and had a larger criminal element." Loyalists have no mandate. They have been feuding since the mid 1990s and their political representatives have no electoral presence. Drugs and rackateering has always been the bread and butter of loyalism and now, with no catholics to kill, its all they have left. Republicans are in government making your decisions. Have a nice day.
@quiggzify And is that what Bobby and the boys died for? hahahaha a return to Stormont? Sands is spinning in his grave 'mo chara' hahahahaha. Former provos like Kelly and McGuiness are now bought and paid for British Civil Servants. And fuck off with all this drugs shite. Biggest dealers in Ulster are the INLA and Real IRA lol. Provos were at it aswell ffs.
Britain should get out of Ireland!
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5Agni 1 month ago
The IRAAAA, were blown awayyyy, their corpses were left! in gibraltar that day
ProbablyCoolerThanU 2 months ago
Part if Ireland did not choose to secede from Britain - the vast MAJORITY of Ireland chose to secede from Britain, including many of the Northern counties, and even counties in Ulster. A small minority of protestants resisted the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland and created an artificial six county state based on protestant supremacy and catholic subservience. That explains the unusual hatred of Catholics - those who signed the Ulster covenant created the most sectarian state in Europe
quiggzify 2 months ago
You are not Christian. I know true Christians who would never go on youtube and castigate another religion. I am quite sure that you wouldn't spend as much time attacking Islam despite the fact it denies the divinity of Christ. Your hatred is aimed directly at Catholics. It is amusing the the orange section of Ireland proclaim religious liberty but spend their time in unprovoked attacks on the Catholic Church. You are not Christian. You have made that quite clear. I know many TRUE Christians.
quiggzify 2 months ago
There is no sympathy for the unionist, supremacist position in England or anywhere else. Your mindset is alien to all those but yourselves. The North of Ireland will never be British - it is a part of the United Kingdom but ii isn't part of Britain. Nationalists can apply for Irish passports despite the fact they were born in the 'UK.' If you enter certain areas of the Noth, it is littered with tricolours and Irish culture. The north isn't British - it will never will be.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify Oh dear, you just can't accept part of the island belonging to someone else, can you? You sound like Gerry Adams - all that "I live in a part of Ireland that is occupied by the British". Well I'm sorry, but IRA talk isn't going to convince me otherwise. While the Irish Republic chose to secede from the United Kingdom, Ulster has shown that it wishes to remain British. My own great-great-grandfather signed the Ulster Covenant to keep Ulster British - and I'm proud of that.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
Using the term 'fenians' and calling Catholic 'papists' is another example of your utter and complete ignorance, sectarian mindset and ambivalence towards Christianity. When Ian Paisley came over to England and attacked the Catholic Church in front of university students, he was heckled and booed of stage. People (protestants) in England do not understand the unionist hatred and venom towards Catholics. They reject it. They would drop the union without a second thought. To them, you're a 'paddy'
quiggzify 2 months ago
There was no vote on partition - it was therefore undemocratic. Partition was the ultimate act of betrayal to the notion iof democracy. It was an act of desperation by a people intent on retaining supermacy and dominance - something they feared they would lose in a democratic, free and independent Ireland. The though of being equal with their catholic neighbours was too much for the unionist population - jettisoning three counties to ensure supremacy.
quiggzify 2 months ago
A Christian is a person who accepts Christ as their Saviour and who seeks salvation through the atonement of Christ. I have met Catholics who are good, honest people who put Christ in the centre of their lives. As for the wannable, arrogant 'Christians' like yourself and Dr Paisley (who preached hate against Catholics all his life) you are the very thing that Christianity stands against. I can always tell a wannable Christian - they run other religions down while cliaming supremacy. Pharisees.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify The Romanist church teaches that Christ is not the only thing that should be at the centre of its followers lives. It rejects the fullness of the cross and claims Christ's sacrifice to be not enough for salvation. I do not preach hate against Catholics - but they need to come to salvation in Christ! I am not a supremacist, I practise humility before Christ. But Romanists need to accept Christ in their lives.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee If you practised humility, you would be reaching out to catholics but like I say, you are not a Christian. I have never met a catholic where Christ is not the centre of their lives. Then again, to know such a thing, you would actuall have to have MET a catholic or at least meet them without any prior sectarian sense of supremacy. You are sectarian and not once have you conceded any love or brotherly concern for your fellow christians (assuming you are a Christian)
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify I am Christian. Simple as. I place my faith in Christ above, and He is the Head of Church. I know many Catholics, and while I respect them as people, I know they have yet to find salvation in Christ - because as it stands, they have not yet fully accepted Him into their lives.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
The majority of the people of Ireland voted for independence in 1919 - that democratic wish was rejected by the Unionist population who created created a sectarian state based on Protestant supremacy and who jettisoned any nearby county that had anything like an equal number of Catholics. Why should I respect the 'democratic' wished of a section of people who rejected the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland in 1919? I refuse to kill for a united Ireland. But I reject its legitimacy.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify The people of Ulster did not want to be part of a united Ireland - so why should the Irish government force them to, when Ulster clearly wished to remain British? The partition of Ireland was democratic - because Ulster did not want to become part of a united island. The Irish people in the south may have wanted a united island, but why should they force the people of Ulster to accept that when the Ulster people themselves rejected it?
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
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quiggzify 2 months ago
By the way, you keep saying Ulster is British. Just a very quick Geography lesson for you and all the other loyalists who don't seem to have Geography in their school curriculum. Ulster is 9 counties - not six (3 are in the Republic of Ireland) - this means that your statement 'Ulster is British' is factually incorrect. 75% is part of the United Kingdom and 25% is part of the Rep of Ireland. So, those who say that Ulster will never surrender are not correct: 25% of Ulster has surrendered.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify Catholics are not Christian - they have rejected the cross. Look it up if you don't believe me - they pray to Mary, they include her as part of the Holy Trinity. They claim the Pope to be Supreme Head of the Church, when that job is Christ's. They have usurped the doctrine of Christ and have rejected the cross - ergo, they have rejected Christ's salvation.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee By asserting that the Catholic Church hold Mary as part of the Holy Trinity you have just lost all intellectual credibility and have revealed your arguments as nothing more than sectarian bigotry and ignorance. The official Catholic doctrine of the Trinity is of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - not of Mary. Please do some research before making such comments as this only makes your arguments rather tatty and bigoted. Are you actually familiar with Catholic doctrine?
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify The Papists hold Mary to be "Daughter of God", "Mother of the Son" and "Spouse of the Holy Ghost". Such names imply her to be the fourth part of the Godhead - and this is blasphemous. She is also known by the Roman Catholic sect as "Propitiatory of the entire world" - claiming her to be salvation for our sins. Mary cannot forgive sins, and by asserting her as part of the redemption process, Romanists have rejected the fullness of the cross. They are not Christian.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee Your ignorance knows no bounds. I am sure that you haven't even looked at the trinity doctrine of the Catholic Church. Catholics are only well too aware that Mary cannot deliver salvation - but as a bigot, you wouldn't believe that or even want to believe that. Ignorance is something that pervades throughout all of your posts.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify This is taken from your own Romanist doctrine, which claims Mary to be all those things. This is blasphemous, it is putting her in the place of Christ for salvation, and Papists have therefore rejected the fullness of the cross.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
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quiggzify 2 months ago
I am not Catholic by the way. I just like picking you up on your sectarian anti-catholic hatred. If you were a Christian, you would be celebrating the fact that you and Catholics both accept Christ as your Saviour. But as you are not Christian, this would be a concept alien to you and the majority of sectarian loyalists who hark back to the good old days of Protestant domination. Sectarianism is hard-wired into your nature. It's your bread and butter and I feel sorry for you. Best of luck.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify Believe me, I'm a Christian. Unfortunately, as described by the Papist doctrine, Romanists are not.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@quiggzify Furthermore, I never claimed that I supported the UVF or any other loyalist fighter group. I simply said that I loathed and detested the IRA for their fenian murderous tactics - and for the fact that in their statement of Easter Sunday this year, they made it clear that they would murder Ulster police officers, both Christian and Roman Catholic, as well as innocent citizens of Ulster. This is not a group with which you should associate yourself.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee You are confusing the RIRA with the PIRA. The British Government, PSNI and the security forces north and south all agree on this. You need to clarify your comments as they can be taken out of context. For example, Sinn Fein condemn all dissident terrorist activity.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify I am not confusing any part of the IRA. Whether you call them Real, Continuity or Provisional, they are still terrorists, still IRA. To whichever republican terrorist force they ally themselves, they are still threatening Ulster, and so need to be stopped.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee PIRA are not the same organisation as RIRA. They are separate organisations that share 3 letters in their name. If you are referring to a Republican group not on ceasefire, then you must be referring to RIRA or CIRA. The only confusion on this thread is your confusion about Geography and the province of Ulster. Just because unionists make the same mistake as you doesn't make the perpetuation any more accurate - it just means that the unionist population are geographically challenged
quiggzify 2 months ago
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@quiggzify The IRA are the IRA. Tell me the difference between them if you are so sure that they are not all terrorists, who are out to murder the people of Ulster.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@quiggzify And finally, Ulster is British. I am not referring to the old Irish province of Ulster, don't be silly. Ulster is simply an alternative unionist name for Northern Ireland. I suspect you alread know this, or you wouldn't be telling me wrongly that Ulster isn't British. I don't claim that the ancient province of Ulster is British - but that the unionist name of Northern Ireland is Ulster. And Northern Ireland is British. The Irish Republic has surrendered, but Ulster will not!
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
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quiggzify 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee Ulster is a province - not 'an alternative unionist name for Northern Ireland.' Ulster is not an 'ancient province' as you claim. It is still a province now - along with the other three provinces in Ireland. 'The Irish Republic has surrendered' - who too. The Irish Republic won their independence. The IRA volunteers of 1916-1921 were put on a state pension by the Irish Republic as recognition for defeating imperial Britain. That is why it is called the War of Independence.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify Yes, Ulster is an alternative name for Northern Ireland. That is why such institutions as BBC Radio Ulster have their names - which does not extend into the Irish Republic. Ulster may be the name of a province of the island of Ireland - I do not dispute that. But it is also the unionist name for Northern Ireland - listen to any old unionist politician, or look at the names of loyalist paramilitaries. They took the name Ulster for Northern Ireland.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
The UVF killed no more than 20 Republican paramilitaries during their campaign of genocide against the catholic population. They killed twice as many loyalist paramilitaries as they did Republicans. They were shooting Catholics before a shot was fired in the recent conflict - and they were bombing their own country in a vain attempt to resist civil rights in much the same way as the KKK resisted civil rights in the southern states of the USA in the 60s. There would be no 'PIRA' but for the UVF
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify The PIRA were not the first republican terrorists - the Old IRA started a border campaign of terrorist tactics as early as the 1930s - when Ulster was happily enjoying Protestant unity. The UVF would not have even started in 1966 had it not been for the fenian tactics of the Old IRA.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee The border campaign ended in 1962 and that campaign ended in 1962 - four years befoe the UVF engaged on their sectarian murder spree. Your sectarian minset is revealed by comments such as 'Protestant unity' - you imply that Ulster (9 counties) is somehow 'Protestant.' The North of Ireland is not protestant but is in fact populated by both faiths. It is exactly that sectarian mindset that turned the North into the worst sectarian administration in the world. You are cleary sectarian
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify I never claimed to support the UVF - again, you assume. I am not so terrorist-minded. However, Northern Ireland is now almost united in its will to remain British - as shown by reviews carried out by the Guardian in 2010, which proved that only 16% of Ulster people want to unite with the Irish Republic, compared to 73% who wish to remain British. This includes a majority of Roman Catholics even who have seen the light and wish to stay British.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee I dispute that 16% of Ulster people want to remain part of the UK. I am sure that the population in Donegal are quite happy in the Republic for example - I very much doubt they would want to revert to the imerial status quo of the early 19th century. The state known as Northern Ireland was created against the wish of the people of Ireland and has no democratic legitimacy. The 1919 free elections in Ireland were rejected by the Unionists. I therefore reject the link with Britain
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify You can reject the link with Britain all you want - but Ulster is remaining British. Why should both the British and Irish governments go against the wish of the people of Ulster? In Fermanagh, Antrim, Tyrone, Londonderry, Armagh and Down, the people want to remain part of the UK. So by your own democratic standards, Ulster will remain British, because that is what the people want.
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee The democratic wishes of the people of Ireland were rejected in 1919 - therefore the state of Northern Ireland has no legal legitimacy. The people of Ireland in 1919 voted for Independence - the democratic will of the people was rejected. Three counties of Ulster were jettisoned to ensure an artificial majority of protestants in a sectarian statelet which became one of the most horrifying sectarian administrations in the world.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@quiggzify The people of Ulster wished for their province to remain as part of the United Kingdom - and chose to do this as soon as the Anglo-Irish Treaty was signed in 1921. Why should the Irish Republic claim sovereignty over Ulster when the Ulster people wanted to remain British? That would not be, as you keep reiterating, democratic. And furthermore, my own great-great-grandfather signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 to protest against Irish Home Rule - dare you call him undemocratic too?
ruairidhkee 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee You don't understand democracy or Christianity - that much is obvious from your posts. In 1919, the people of Ireland voted for independence. The partition of Ireland was unconsitutional - and against the will of the people of Ireland. The unionist section of Ireland were a minority in Ireland but they chose to jettison three counties of Ulster (because there were too many Catholics!) to create an artificial sectarian majority of Protestants. Democracy, no, Fascism, yes
quiggzify 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee By your backward understanding of democracy, I could also suggest that as there is a majority of Nationalists in South Armagh, they too could opt out of the union. After all, if a section fo people in six counties could opt to stay in the union in 1921, then surely we could have a county by county roll call to see who would like to maintain the union. That is the slippery slope of your understanding of democracy. The partition of Ireland was unconstititional.
quiggzify 2 months ago
It was the UVF and the UDA who resisted political reform and civil rights: loyalists were murdering catholics and bombing their way around the North before PIRA even existed. Loyalist mobs were burning Catholics out of their homes - troops were sent in to protect Nationalist areas from loyalist mobs. The state known as 'Northern Ireland' was one of the most overtly sectarian states in the whole world. Loyalist aggression and resistance to civil rights gave rise to the provos.
quiggzify 2 months ago
Hail hail and god bless the IRA, is right. Fuck the British. It's been great watching them scum on the tv arriving back in their coffins from afghanistan.
johnturl67 3 months ago
BBC News January 2006: Unionists have reacted angrily to a police assessment that the PIRA is still involved in organised crime. The comments by Sam Kinkaid, the PSNI's most senior detective, contradicted Security Minister Shaun Woodward who last month said the Provos were not active.
The DUP has called for Mr Woodward to resign, while the UUP has said the police view was a "damning assessment" of his credibility. Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams described the briefing as "a political intervention".
oz1641 3 months ago
@oz1641 You're making up complete lies and it's fucking hilarious hahahahhahahahhahah!!!
Quigziffy and I are stating actual,true facts.
Whereas you're just making up lies because you have no knowledge of the troubles.
The British army document that was released in 2007 that the provo's where politically armed,dangerous,clever and through further research it was proved they weren't involved in organized crime.
The UVF where the opposite.
GO LEARN ACTUAL FACTS!
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 What "lies" am I making up!!? Back up your spurious claims lol. The Provos weren't involved in organised crime!?! hahahahaha what do you call bringing in tonnes of cocaine from FARC in Columbia?! What do you call robbing £26 million fro the Northern Bank?! Fucking moronic sepo! You couldn't even point to Northern Ireland on a map Ffs.........
oz1641 3 months ago
@oz1641 wow,how I would love for you to prove that.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@oz1641 constant lies being made up lol - ooh ah up the ra.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Oh bravo!! You applied for your MENSA membership yet brainbox!?! If that's the best you can do you'd be better to forget about it. "ooh ah up the ra" hahahahahahaha Ffs hahahaha!!
oz1641 3 months ago
@oz1641 hehehehehhehehe XD a typical hun got caught lying and I'm annoying him!
UP THE RA.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Pmsl you're not annoying me in the slightest, you wouldn't know how!!
oz1641 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 You murderous bastard, you suppporter of terrorist atrocities. How dare you praise an illegal, immoral terrorist organization, one that has callously killed British and Irish citizens alike. You disgust me.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee Killing is different from targeting.
Also terrorist?Yea,officially they are,but one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
hehehehhe,since you're so keen to call me a "murderous bastard",are you forgetting about the brave 'black and tans' who raped,abused,tortures and murdered innocent Irish people for decades?Are you forgetting when the "brave" British army that slaughtered and murdered the whole aborigine population of Tasmania because of skin colour?
UP THE RA.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Did I ever say I condone what those people did? No. You simply assume, since I appear to loathe the IRA. And that I do - the IRA is nothing but mindless, psychotic murderers. Yes, I am a loyalist - but that doesn't mean that I support what the Black & Tans did - despite the exaggerations with which you have provided me re: their activities.
Ulster will not surrender to your fenian terrorist atrocities that still carry on now. How dare you support the IRA.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee You think I am exaggerating?!You seriously think I am exaggerating what those bastards did to my great Grandfather and his friends and family?
No,what you said was "you murderous bastard" - and people that support the British army,who just incase you haven't been watching the news lately,got caught videoing the torture of prisoners in the middle east and they beat an innocent man to death and he had with a wife and kid,what I am saying is "pot kettle" my idiotic friend.
UP THE RA.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Once again, you have failed to actually see what I am saying; instead, you only respond to the parts which make you visibly angry. I never said I supported the British Army's actions which you have referenced, nor those of the Black & Tans. You simply assume - wrongly, in fact. Yes, I support the British Army overall - but that does not mean I support some of their more specific actions.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Furthermore, how dare you condemn those who hurt your family, and then visibly support a terrorist action group who has killed and maimed my family and friends in Ulster. The IRA will never succeed - because Ulster people have realized that its fenian politics have no place in decent British society. Say what you will - BUT WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER. The Ulster people have always stood firm against your fenian atrocities. And they always will.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee The IRA never targeted innocents - fact.
... and you know what?Even if an innocent human was caught in one of their bombs they 'still' came out and took full responsibility,whereas the British army denied all wrong doing for 'EVERYTHING' they ever done during their occupation of Ireland,and they were always protected by the British courts.Fuck me,it took a prime minister nearly 40 years after Bloody Sunday to come out and apologize.The British army are still occupying foreign land.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 If the IRA never targeted innocents, then they have a lot more explaining to do. Over 3000 people died as a result of their fenian activities, and not all these people were British Army members! Justice may have been 'done' for the families of those who died in the illegal march on Bloody Sunday in Londonderry - but where is the justice for all those killed by the IRA? You are a loathsome creature, and your fenian politics have no place in British Ulster.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee Again,I will state the fact that they never targeted innocents.
You're scum,I kinda feel bad for you?You've been brainwashed to 'actually' think invading and oppressing foreign countries is right? Disgracefull.
The British army are the most hated organization in the World,LOL even America were planning to invade and the fucking nazi's saved your skin by invading a foreign country and starting a war (see the similarities hehehehe?)
God bless the IRA,nothing but freedom fighters.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 God will never bless the IRA unless they turn to Him. Catholics are not Christians.
As to your point about how I'm brainwashed to think that we invaded Ulster, consider this: the last survey carried out independently of opinion in Ulster said this. 73% of the Ulster people wished for Ulster to remain British. 52% of Catholics wished for Ulster to remain British. Only 16% of people wanted Ulster to unite with the Irish Republic. If the people are themselves British, we did not invade!
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee Catholic's are not Christians.
There you go,thank you for showing what an immature,pathetic and pretty hilariously incorrect little child you are hehhehehehe!
God bless them.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 OK, first of all it's Catholics, not Catholics. Get your grammar right. And secondly, no they're not Christians. The church in Rome is a false church that has usurped the doctrine of Christ - they actively teach against the salvation of the cross. Oh, and on that note - I don't remember Jesus saying it was OK for Irish terrorists to kill people...do you?
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee it's Catholics,not Catholics hahahahahaha!!
well if what you were trying to say idiot was is it's catholics,not catholic's,my computer has a automatic type-check programme.
Yes you complete fucking spastic,we are Christians weather you like it or not,and we were a religion before the protestant religion so get it fucking up you xD!!
People that don't see us as Christians,are just sectarian fagots and Rangers fans heheheheheh (you're probably both) ... my sympathy goes to you.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 No. Catholics are not Christian. They claim to be - oh, yes! - but they have usurped the doctine of Christ by imposing new rules that they claim to be essential to salvation. In addition to this, they worship false gods and place things in higher importance than Jesus Christ. This is not Christian.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee Nah we are,no matter what sectarian protesters say hehehe!!
lmfao and you think that's to do with politics!!? people 'at this point' want to stay British because the Euro zone is a fucking disaster ahahahahhahahah!! just wait till all this economic crisis clears up,the republicans are using and taking the piss out of the British economy and after the Euro zone has improved everyone including KING GERRY will laugh at the stupid bastards like you that didn't notice lmfao!
God Bless.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Oh, you really are brainwashed, aren't you? Of course you think you're a Christian - the Catholic sect says you are, including the so-called 'Vicar of Christ' - how blasphemous.
And yes, it is to do with politics and hardly anything to do with economics. There has never been a point when more people of Ulster wanted a united Ireland than the retention of the United Kingdom - even in good economic times. So I'm sorry, but the IRA are fighting a war that nobody wants. It's pathetic.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee Come on friend,stop arguing with fact eh?I am Christian,no matter what the protesters say!!!
read my last message,god bless.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 No. You're not a Christian. I know that the Catholic sect has yet to truly recieve Christ - for now, they have rejected His authority.
And what of your last message? I replied to your presumption that when the Eurozone crisis is over, Ulster people will want to join with the Irish Republic. But I tell you now: this is not the case. As I have already said, the people of Ulster have NEVER shown a majority wanting a united Ireland. The IRA are fighting an ever-losing battle.
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
@ruairidhkee It is a little bit presumptious to presume that Catholics don't truly receive Christ. The Catholic Church is not a sect - it was the original Christian faith (although it could be described as a Jewish sect). By definition, all protestant and dissenter churches are technically sects as they have broken away from the original Church. Anybody can have a relationship with Christ - a member of the Catholic Church can also have a relationship with christ, as can a Protestant.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee Are you actually aware that it was the UVF who started killing in 1966 and who released a statement saying that they would mercilessly execute IRA members? They then went out and killed two innocent Catholics. In 1969, the UVF bombed electricity plants in the North in an attempt to implicate the IRA and stop political reform. Before PIRA even existed. PIRA were formed to resist loyalist aggression: from the sectarian state forces and the loyalists mobs roaming the streets.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee What war are the IRA fighting? Do you know something we don't? I thought they were on ceasefire.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@Gdyear1916 Oh, and I notice you haven't replied to my statistics showing that the majority of Ulster wishes to remain British. Sad for the IRA that they're fighting in Ulster for something the Ulster people don't actually want, eh?
ruairidhkee 3 months ago
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@ruairidhkee Catholics are Christians - they accept Jesus Christ as their saviour. They believe that it is through his atonement that salvation is possible. You are truly ignorant to think that you know that you know the motives and personal relationship that Catholics have with their Saviour.
quiggzify 2 months ago
@ruairidhkee You state that 3000 people died as a result of IRA actions. Do yyou actually realise that the loyalists killed almost 1000 of that total - the vast majority of which were catholic civilians. These facts are widely available and easy to access - try it some time. The reason that there was an inquiry into Bloody Sunday was because government forces killed unarmed civilians at a peaceful march. What would an enquiry into an IRA/UFF attack prove? We already why and who done it.
quiggzify 2 months ago
Mr Kinkaid, the PSNI's assistant chief constable in charge of crime operations, gave his assessment of the PIRA's activities during a private briefing to the Policing Board on Tuesday.
It is believed Mr Kincaid said there had been significant progress in terms of ending some activities on the part of the PIRA, such as paramilitary attacks, armed robberies and drug dealing.
oz1641 3 months ago
26/6/76 The day after a PIRA gun attack on a pub in Templepatrick leaves 3 Protestant civilians dead, the Ulster Freedom Fighters shot OIRA member Danny Mackin at Brookvale St., off the Cliftonville Rd. in north Belfast. He is listed by CAIN as a "Catholic Civilian".
6/10/76 Francis Nolan, listed as "Catholic Civilian". PIRA member shot by the UFF at his home at Victoria Gardens in north Belfast. His name not only appears on the Provos "Roll of Honour" but also in the book Tirghra.
oz1641 3 months ago
25/1/76 Raymond Mayes & John Tennyson senior members of the AOH, killed in a bomb attack, Conway St., Lisburn. Both legitimate targets for Loyalists since the PIRA, OIRA, INLA etc considered senior members of the Orange Order as being legitimate targets.
oz1641 3 months ago
2/2/73 Paddy Brady, again listed as "Catholic Civilian", Brady was in fact a senior member of the paramilitary 'Catholic Ex Serviceman's Association (CESA) which was an Irish nationalist vigilante group similar to the Central Citizens Defence Committee (CCDC).
14/5/73 John McCormac, Falls Rd. Commander of Central Citizens Defence Committee, listed as "Catholic Civilian" even though he was manning a barricade and armed with a .32 revolver when he was killed by the UVF at Raglan Street.
oz1641 3 months ago
Some more evidence of the unreliable nature of CAIN/Sutton;
14/10/72 Joe McCrystal, listed as a "Catholic Civilian". McCrystal was in fact a PIRA member, a fact attested to by the fact that a death notice in the Irish News claimed him as such and also by the fact that he came from a prominent republican family.
31/10/72 James Kerr, listed as a "Catholic Civilian", he was in fact a senior member of the Provo's youth wing, Fianna Eireann. Listed as PIRA by the 'Belfast Republican Graves' group.
oz1641 3 months ago
All sectarian Loyalists, please see below for the answer to all of your questions:
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quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify "All sectaiain Loyalists" hahaha typical, when under pressure resort to the 'sectarianism card'. Laughable really. When have I, or any other Loyalist, referred to religion or sect, in reply to your purile rants on here??! Come on mastermind lol, back up your facile statements!!! If in doubt shout: SECTARIAN!! That must be lesson one in the PIRA/SF political handbook Ffs. Try harder next time.
oz1641 3 months ago
Loyalists are more than welcome to not post on this channel. There are countless other videos on youtube in which they are most welcome but they come back time and time again posting the same trite. All I have to say is this: - 83% catholic civilian casualties - Killed nearly twice as many Loyalist Paramilitaries as they did Repub Paras - They have no political representation - They have been engaged in feuding for nearly 20 years - The IMC and the ARA confirm drugs and criminality
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify "They have been engaged in feuding for nearly 20 years"!?? What!?! You are now alleging that Loyalist groups have been feuding since 1991??! Are you serious?!! hahahahaha is 1991 the year you were born!?! hahahaha. Btw republican murder gangs have been engaged in feuding since 1970!!!
I see you ignored the post I made about the ranks of PIRA/SF being populated by rapists and paedophiles!!? Selective eyesight strikes again!!
oz1641 3 months ago
Maume, in his book titled 'loyalists since 1965' said that Loyalists 'generally are less disciplined and politically aware that the IRA with a larger criminal element.' This is further demonstrated by the complete and total descent of loyalist froups into complete and comprehensive criminality and drugs - confirmed by the IMC and the ARA. Both of which assert that there is no such comparison with the provisional movement.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify In which IMC reports do they state this!!? as for the ARA they no longer even exist. In his book 'Loyalists' Peter Taylor does not mention drug dealing within Loyalist ranks even once! Is that not strange if what you allege is true?! Taylor is considered the foremost expert on paramilitary, terrorist and insurgent groups around the world, with a particular knowledge of the Conflict in Northern Ireland.
oz1641 3 months ago
The difference between my 'ranting fits' and the ramblings of a loyalist is that in the case of criminality and drugs, the British Government and their department who freeze assets belonging to criminals as well as the Independent Monitoring Commission both assert that Loyalists are up to their necks in drugs while the provisional movement are not involved as a whole-scale organisation. Loyalists have killed nearly 20 of their criminal drug-dealing paramilitary friends since the ceasefire. Easy.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify As I have said before quiggzify, repeating something ad nauseum does not make it true, I clearly stated yesterday why the Loyalist feud started, that is accepted by the majority of people as being the truth. Don't let that stand in the way of your petty republican agenda though will you!!
oz1641 3 months ago
Loyalist groups had so much intelligence about the IRA that 'they didn't know what to do with it.' In the words of Bobby Philpott: 'We knew what colour socks they were wearing.' Despite this, they killed no more than 4% Republican paramilitaries and their victims were almost exclusively catholic civilians. Not collateral damage, not mistaken identity - Catholics were and always have been the ACTUAL target. Backed up by every index regarding the conflict. So easy to refute this nonsense.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify How many of those "Catholic civilians" later turned out to be PIRA/SF members!!? or members of other republican groups?!, since their second ceasefire the Provos have claimed at least 16 "Catholic civilians" as members of their murderous organisation. Not to mention the number of active republican supporters killed, people who were out raising funds for, and giving safe haven to, the INLA, OIRA, PIRA, IPLO etc. All of them legitimate targets for Loyalists.
oz1641 3 months ago
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Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community."
quiggzify 4 months ago
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The Independent Monitoring Comission and The Assets Recovery Agency (British Government Department) have both confirmed strong Loyalist involvement in Drugs while both have also stated that PIRA are not involved.
The IMC stated in 2006: “The UDA’s heavy involvement in crime, including drug dealing and blackmail, continues and in some parts of the organisation criminality can be described as endemic,” said the report.
quiggzify 4 months ago
Loyalist complicity in drugs is also further proven in that, unlike the Provisionals and Republicanism in general, since the ceasefires Loyalists have been consistently killing each other in drug/crime related feuding in which nearly 20 loyalists have been assasinated (some with their throats slit).
The IMC, ARA and the consistent bloody fueding of loyalists (criminal and drug related) tells the true and full story of the comprehensive and total loyalist descent into drugs and crime.
quiggzify 4 months ago
quiggzify's agenda is abundantly clear, he seeks to marginalise and down play Loyalists because he wishes to further the narrow agenda of PIRA/SF. This infantile ranting fits the 'modus operandi' of Irish nationalism perfectly. Refusing to answer questions, swerving points which he/she believes to be awkward or embarrassing, prevaricating and repeating the same tripe over and over again in order to attempt to give validity to his ramblings! Pitiful really...yet highly amusing.
oz1641 4 months ago
Some the actions of the Loyalist groups were wrong. But as I have said here before, they did not have an easily indentifiable enemy, wearing a uniform, the republican criminal scum did. The actions of the republican movement were truly despicable, So called "Proxy Bombs", the Claudy bombing, blowing up the Warrington branch of Argos on a busy Saturday afternoon killing two young boys, butchering six O.A.Ps in Coleraine etc etc etc "Their deeds would shame all the Devils in Hell"
oz1641 4 months ago
An "anti imperialist" struggle against a supposedly "foreign" enemy is much easier to gain sympathy for than a squalid inter ethnic fight against ones neighbours. This is why Irish national chauvinists like to simply sweep aside any mention of militant Loyalism. Unfortunately for them however, it is the very people that they marginalise and ignore, that will in the end, determine the future of this territory.
oz1641 4 months ago
If an organisation loses some of it's most high level members in violent actions by an enemy grouping, then if that organisation does not regard their enemy as being a priority, then they are either stupid or cowardly. Irish nationalists liked to down play the role of Loyalists because they liked to present the situation here in very simplistic terms of them vs. the British Army/Government, not as them vs. their neighbours!!
oz1641 4 months ago
Those republicans from the provisional movement who were not involved with FARC, ETA, KLA etc, that were not up to their filthy necks in drugs or prostitution, or who were not involved in raping their own family members or molesting children (Liam Adams, Briege & Martin Meehan, Francie Brolly, Darky Hughes etc) Were mostly informers for RUC Special Branch or Army Intelligence! Their sworn enemies lol.
oz1641 4 months ago
Loyalist complicity in drugs is also further proven in that, unlike the Provisionals and Republicanism in general, since the ceasefires Loyalists have been consistently killing each other in drug/crime related feuding in which nearly 20 loyalists have been assasinated (some with their throats slit).
The IMC, ARA and the consistent bloody fueding of loyalists (criminal and drug related) tells the true and full story of the comprehensive and total loyalist descent into drugs and crime.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify This is absolute shite, the Loyalist feud was because the LVF broke away from the UVF, elements of the UDA/UFF then sided with Billy Wright and the LVF. Fuck all to do with drugs, NOTHING!! Unlike within republicanism, Loyalist groups have a level of discipline and they do not allow people to just break away and form splinter group after splinter group!!
oz1641 4 months ago
The Independent Monitoring Comission and The Assets Recovery Agency (British Government Department) have both confirmed strong Loyalist involvement in Drugs while both have also stated that PIRA are not involved.
The IMC stated in 2006: “The UDA’s heavy involvement in crime, including drug dealing and blackmail, continues and in some parts of the organisation criminality can be described as endemic,” said the report.
The IMC and ARA know what they are talking about. They unbiased and indendent
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify "They unbiased and indendent" hahahaha calm down and learn how to spell Ffs!! Produce this IMC report, or at the very least inform us which IMC report this was supposed to be in!? Just give the date.
Or are you going to run away again?? Because so far you've run away with your tail between your legs twice lol.
oz1641 4 months ago
@quiggzify You didn't reply to me about the Provos links to FARC!! Are you ashamed of that wee episode!!?
oz1641 4 months ago
Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community."
quiggzify 4 months ago
This guy is a troll with at least two youtube identities. He spends all of his time on youtube to the extent that I had posted a comment to his alter-ego Maghera and two minutes later Oz1641 replies back.
Not one of the facts below contain any government or political sources and he constantly refers to dissidents while I am specifically referring to the Provisionals.
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quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify I have only one account, but because you're such a lying bastard that constantly posts shite on this video I like to come on and pick you up on this crap. Btw can you not fucking read!? What about the reports from the Irish Observer I posted about the Provos in Dublin being up to their dirty necks in drug dealing!!? Fucking selective eye sight!?! hahaha typical republican scumbag!!
oz1641 4 months ago
He is also said to have raped a Brazilian transsexual who was working independently in a Dundalk hotel after the prostitute refused to hand over earnings.
None of the prostitutes questioned by gardai, however, felt safe enough to co-operate and they fear they will be killed if they speak to police. It is understood that over the past two years, the CIRA prostitution racket has spread to Dublin and Belfast.
oz1641 4 months ago
@oz1641 Ahahahhahahah,you and that other deluded prick no absolutely nothing.
The Provisional IRA every year,when they released their Easter messages stated clearly that anyone involved in trafficking of any kind,especially drug dealing would be targeted and most definitely executed.
In 2007 when the British army document was released about the troubles it stated clearly that the provisional IRA were politically well equipped and "clever".
UVF?UFF?
Sectarian,racist,drug dealing fucking scum.
Gdyear1916 4 months ago
@Gdyear1916 So because the Provos say it then it must be true!!? hahaha you fucking brain washed prick. Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it true lol. "Sectarain, racist, drug dealing scum", aye you just described the Provos and the INLA, IPLO etc! "Ireland for the Irish" is that not racist brain box??!
oz1641 4 months ago
@oz1641 hmmm,nah.
The provo's objective was to clear the Northern Counties of British occupation through targeting the British army,British political figures and the British economy - fact
If they targeted protestants you deluded inbred,then how exactly would that get them closer to a United Ireland?
The PSNI stated that the IRA where intelligent and politically armed,whereas the UVF and UFF where drug dealers.
I'm getting bored of being correct - LOL
So again,go learn and come back.
PIRA.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
By JIM CUSACK
Sunday June 20 2010
Dissident republicans are running prostitution rackets using young women trafficked into Ireland by the Eastern European mafia.
And the head of the Continuity IRA (CIRA) in Co Louth has been uncovered as a central figure in the trafficking and enslavement of the young women.
According to gardai, this man -- who is in his early 40s and married with children -- has also raped several of the young women trafficked into Ireland.
oz1641 4 months ago
From the New Statesman article entitled "A Balkan Version of the PIRA?" By Eske Wright
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oz1641 4 months ago
The KLA would not be the first guerrilla movement to turn to drugs to finance its struggle. The Shining Path in Peru, the Revolutionary Armed Forces in Colombia, the Chechen rebels in Russia, the mujahedin in Afghanistan, even the PIRA have relied on drugs money to prosecute what they see as wars of national or class liberation. Indeed there is evidence that the PIRA traded guns to the Kosovars in return for high grade heroin on at least three occasions.....
oz1641 4 months ago
The Provos and the KLA--
Across Europe, police express growing concern about links between the drugs market and the KLA: I have spoken to senior police officers in both Norway and Sweden who believe that there are such links. But the dislocation of the transactions makes it difficult to prove them: while drugs are sold in western and northern Europe, weapons tend to be bought nearer the conflict in Kosovo.....
oz1641 4 months ago
It was alleged that one of the men had offered his "services" to a rightwing paramilitary group in Colombia and that he had visited the country before.
The new claims have led to fresh calls on Sinn Fein to give fuller explanations about any links it has to the men.
There is anger and frustration that the Sinn Fein president, Gerry Adams, has remained silent on the issue despite it putting pressure on the peace process and casting doubt on the integrity of the PIRA ceasefire.
oz1641 4 months ago
The Provos Columbian Connection--
Security forces have been monitoring a suspected three-way link between the Provos, the Basque separatists ETA, and the Colombian drug cartel Farc for almost a year, it emerged yesterday.
Revelations of the possible relationship come as new claims about the three PIRA men charged with helping to train members of Farc emerged in Colombia....
oz1641 4 months ago
Christy had always been someone the PIRA could deny and deny they did, but for those of us who know the truth Christy Griffin was one of the PIRA’s best earners in Dublin. Christy Griffin had been paid hundreds of thousands of Euro by the PIRA in Dublin for his good works on their behalf. The PIRA Commanding officer in Dublin continued and continues to pay money into the Provisional IRA/Sinn Fein organization, this money is laundered through a myriad of front businesses.
oz1641 4 months ago
but was one of the many properties owned by the Officer Commanding the Provisional IRA in Dublin. The OC of the PIRA in Dublin was a close working associate of one of Dublin’s most notorious or now infamous criminals, Christy Griffin. In 2006 a feud had broken out in the north inner city of Dublin, after it emerged that Christy Griffin had been accused of raping his girlfriend’s daughter since she was a toddler.
oz1641 4 months ago
While the Celtic Tiger roared around the country in October 2006 few even blinked at what was a significant Garda raid in the leafy suburb of Rathfarnham in Dublin. The Gardai raided a very fine house that was nestled among the manicured lawns and polished BMWs of the up market Rathfarnham suburb. The house with a market value of at least two million Euro at that time was not the home of a property speculator or banking executive,
oz1641 4 months ago
Dublin’s north inner city is now home to an alliance of some of Ireland’s most seasoned and ruthless terrorists and drug dealing criminals. On an almost daily basis these terrorists distribute drugs, illegal cigarettes, fuel, counterfeit CDs/DVDs while at the same time planning and carrying out armed robberies where and when possible. IRISH OBSERVER, Monday, 27th September 2010
oz1641 4 months ago
While the terrorists continue to make vast sums of money from open criminality, the Gardai can now pursue that criminality in a way that they could not as the Government tried and succeeded in corralling Sinn Fein into the democratic process.These PIRA members who have not joined any ‘dissident’ group have now teamed up with ‘dissidents’ and other criminal gangs to maximize their profits.
oz1641 4 months ago
Dissidents, Provisional IRA and Drug Dealers team up to profit from criminality.
During the embryonic years of the ‘peace-process’ when Provisional IRA murders and other criminality were viewed as ‘internal-housekeeping’ by the British and Irish Governments entrepreneurial terrorists made fortunes.
oz1641 4 months ago
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Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community."
quiggzify 4 months ago
sneaky wee bastard below
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MagheraUFF 4 months ago
The extent that of loyalist criminality and drug dealing is such that killing catholic civilians was most likely a cover for their own criminal activities which always took precedence over any political or military considerations - this is proven by the descent of loyalism into feuding and drug dealing after their commitment to ending the random slaughter of innocent catholics. The IMC have confirmed this. The ARA have confirmed the sheer scale of the loyalist drug dealing operations. Riff Raff
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify SO WHY NO CONVICTIONS OF LOYALISTS FOR DRUG DEALING?????? RE PRODUCE THIS PHANTOM IMC REPORT! its all balls you rebel bastard and you know it.
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
@MagheraUFF bwahahahahahhahahha,you're a lying cunt!
The McGonigal brothers you clueless bastard where caught and banned from all republican paramilitary activity and they where both told by the PIRA,that if they were ever caught on the streets dealing they would be executed,regardless of who they represented.
So again another stupid,inbred,anti-catholic and I must point out - typical loyalist prick,has been caught posting up more made up fucking lies.
Gdyear1916 4 months ago
@Gdyear1916 So your from Limavady direction then? Interesting! 'made up lies'??? prove it you fucking scum bastard.
MagheraUFF 3 months ago
@MagheraUFF YOU GOT CAUGHT LYING.
GIVE UP.
hehehehehehehehehehhehehehehehehhehe
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
@Gdyear1916 'caught lying'? hahahaha I dont think so!!
MagheraUFF 3 months ago
@MagheraUFF read the last message again.
Gdyear1916 3 months ago
The IMC stated that criminality within the UDA was 'endemic' unlike Sinn Fein and the IRA, who they said have embraced peaceful politics.The Shoukri brothers and their criminal drug dealing pals are the biggest criminals in Belfast, in not Northern Ireland. The recent in-feuding has been almost exclusively fueled by drugs and rackateering. So, in summary, the PSNI, the ARA, the IMC, loyalists themselves, investigative authors and journalists all agree; Loyalists are drug dealing criminals
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify hahahahaha you self righteous wee dick. I can come up with just as many people to admit that the provos were and still are up to there eyes in drugs, prostituition, illegal cigarettes and rackets. Why do you support a group that killed more catholics than Loyalist paramilitaries did?
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
@MagheraUFF This is so easy. I can refer to statements from the IMC, ARA, PSNI and numerous investigative authors and you can come with absolutely nothing. The IMC have described loyalist crime and drug activities and 'endemic.' The ARA have done the same, only they have been more specific with a direct link to drugs in the loyalist community - run by loyalist paras. No such link to PIRA - never has been - never will be. You have absolutely nothing but complete and utter gossip. IMC, ARA > SFA
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify This is so easy. See above for details lol.
oz1641 4 months ago
According to the IMC, Sinn Féin and the IRA army council have adhered to their commitment to peaceful politics. The loyalist paramilitary organisations, the UDA, LVF and UVF – despite some acts of decommissioning – have not. Why? They are consolidating their criminal and drugs empire. The PSNI and ARA agree, as do senior loyalists such as Stone, Gallagher and nearly every investigative journalist. Again, the reality of loyalist criminality and drug dealing at this moment in time is absolute
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify Youve got it bad, coming on here every half an hour or so to spout more shite and lies haha. Thought you werent for replying anymore??? hahahaha ffs PSNI? They will confirm what I have said about the major drug dealers in Co. Londonderry and parts of Tyrone and Antrim all being republicans. Not that long ago that the Provos whacked Crooky O'Kane in a drugs feud in Londonderry because he was their main competition lol.
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
You don't need to go back to the 70s, 80s and 90s to find examples of loyalist drug dealing and feuding. Since the ceasefires loyalists have done one thing and one thing only: feud, crime and drugs. This has been documented by loyalists themselves (Stone, Brown to name but two), investigative authors who interviewed loyalists (Ian Wood) and government agencies investigating drugs (ARA). In contrast, Republicans are in government and have been exonerated of drugs (ARA). Bye Bye mo chara xx
quiggzify 4 months ago
You don't need to go back to the 70s and 80s to find examples of feuding and criminality for loyalist groups. Since the ceasefires, loyalist have done one thing and one thing only: feud, kill and descend into criminality. This has been documented by authors (Ian Wood to name but one), loyalists themselves (Michael Stone to name but one) and government agencies (ARA). Republicans (provos) on the other had are not believed to be involved in Drugs (ARA) and are in government. Bye bye mo chara xx
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify Good of you to concede that Sinn Fein and the PIRA are the same thing! You have gotten so worked up and upset that youre posting your garbage twice! hahaha take a deep breath now 'mo chara'. Sean O'Callaghan (author and former provo godfather) admits that as far back as the mid 70s the provos were involved in drugs "among a number of shady and underhand activities".
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
Alan McQuillan of The Assets Recovery Agency in the UK (the agency who focus on drugs and criminality) said this: "In the loyalist community, drug dealing is run by the paramilitaries and it is generally run for personal gain by a large number of people." He then went on to say: "If you go into the republican community, the PIRA, in general, do not do drugs, so you won't find large numbers, on the same sort of scale, of drug dealers in that community. So, there you have it. Everybody agrees.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify Utter shite lad. This is total and utter shite. The republican areas are over run with dealers, thats why huge numbers of young people in them areas are commiting suicide! They either get so badly hooked that there lives arent worth living or they get into debt to republican drug dealers like 'dark Cloud' (INLA) Sean Kelly (PIRA) and when they do themselves in, no such suicide epidemic in the Loyalist community, I wonder why????
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
@MagheraUFF You're being completely outsmarted off that other guy,you don't have a fucking clue about the troubles and neither does your other hun friend.
The provisional IRA executed drug dealers - catholic and protestant,as it was their job,they were the true soldiers of Ireland.
Lets look at something official,lets look at rule number two of the PIRA and RIRA rules and penalties
- "Anyone caught in the dealing and/or selling of drugs will not be tolerated by your local brigade"
UP THE RA.
Gdyear1916 4 months ago
Michael Stone won't go anywhere near the UDA now because all that is left is 'gangsterism and drugs' - his words. Loyalism is the most prominent and fruitful source of all drugs in the UK (along with their kin in Scotland). The LVF make IPLO look like law-abiding sober citizens. Using Jim Mc Cann as the number one example of IRA complicity in drug dealing, even though he was expelled for the organisation for that very reason, is the worst of all the poor efforts from a loyalist desperado
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify Jim McCann was not expelled from the ranks of the Provos and if he ever decides to come back to Belfast he'll get a heroes welcome from your republican friends. But anyway I thought you were away? couldnt resist another wee dig could you Paddy? hahaha
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
Loyalist drugs and criminality: UVF, LVF and the UFF were involved in the 'guns for drugs' scam investigated by the Scottish Drug Enforcement Agency. Frankie Gallagher admits UDA personell deal drugs. Ian Wood interviewed countless loyalists in the UDA who freely admitted the extensive drug dealing empire of thd UDA (Adair was high as a kite during UDA meetings). Recent feuding, such as the killing of Paul Wassy, was motivated by control of drugs. All documented and in black in white. Druggies.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify Biggest drug dealers in Limavady, the McGonigle brothers, both of them PIRA men. Biggest drug dealers in Coleraine, Skeets Neil (PIRA) and the McDaids (INLA), Biggest drug dealers in Londonderry, the RIRA and the INLA, biggest drug dealers in Cookstown, the PIRA. All documented in black and white. Druggies.
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
4th of March 1972 a PIRA bomb explodes WITHOUT WARNING in the Abercorn Restaurant, Belfast. Killing two women. 14th of April the PIRA detonate 24 bombs in towns and cities across NI, most exploded without warning. By some miracle no one was killed. 31st July 'Bloody Monday' the Claudy bombing, a no warning PIRA bomb kills nine civilians. Just a few examples from one single year of the Conflict.
oz1641 4 months ago
And before I forget, the whole drug dealing thing that you continually ignore had been well documented by Ian Wood in 'Crimes of Loyalty' in which the author actually interviews members of the organisation who have stated on the record that Adair and C company (to name but one) were not only taking drugs but were also 'selling large quantities of drugs to make substantial amounts of money.' Drug dealing was rife in the UDA/UFF. As you well know. I'll leave you alone now. Troll off now. Bye.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify 'Troll off now' you trying to tell me what to do???? hahahaha poor wee mope, just because somebody puts something in a book doesnt make it true lol. I have solid concrete evidence to back up what I say about republicans being up to their eyes in drug dealing!
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
Happy trolling to you both. May your channels glorifying loyalist civilian killers bring you much joy and fulfillment. Good luck in trying to portray loyalists as 'being at war with Republicans' - if you pull that off in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, you are very talented indeed. May I also wish you good luck in finding any independent, reputable academic sources, political tomes, or any other analystic material that will suggest loyalist were anything but sectarian killers. Bye.
quiggzify 4 months ago
I'm sure that you must be a busy man what with all the daily trolling you do on Republican channels trying to convince the world that loyalists really were at war with the provos and not just with catholic civilians. It must be so satisfying to have a channel glorifying men who killed 83% innocent civilians and who have now descended into drugs and criminality. Unfortunately for you, loyalism will never stand up to scrutiny in future generations - the facts will tell their own story.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify Yes they will, youre trying to white wash recent history is futile hahaha. Armed republicanism was defeated lol. you call it decommissioned if ye like! maybe that will make you feel better lol. 'satisfying' is winding up wee republican cunts like you who try to justify the Provos murder of men women and kids! while at the same time criticising Loyalists. republicans- guilty of war crimes!
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
As Maume said in his book 'Loyalists since 1965' "loyalists were generally less disciplined and politically aware than the IRA and had a larger criminal element." Loyalists have no mandate. They have been feuding since the mid 1990s and their political representatives have no electoral presence. Drugs and rackateering has always been the bread and butter of loyalism and now, with no catholics to kill, its all they have left. Republicans are in government making your decisions. Have a nice day.
quiggzify 4 months ago
@quiggzify And is that what Bobby and the boys died for? hahahaha a return to Stormont? Sands is spinning in his grave 'mo chara' hahahahaha. Former provos like Kelly and McGuiness are now bought and paid for British Civil Servants. And fuck off with all this drugs shite. Biggest dealers in Ulster are the INLA and Real IRA lol. Provos were at it aswell ffs.
MagheraUFF 4 months ago
Republican criminals never targeted Protestant civilians!?! Yeah right, pull the other one!
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oz1641 4 months ago