@sangtawon rebreakable boards can be broken and put back together after use as they are held together by a sort of tongue and groove. They come in various thicknesses and are good for multiple use.
@kalelarea51 Lung Ying shares many similarities with Bak Mei such as powerful short ranged attacks and pressing footwork. However Lung Ying focuses more on gripping and seizing techniques.
@kalelarea51 Yes, the 2 arts blend well as the great grandmasters of each style (Cheung Lai Chuen - Bak Mei, and Lam Yiu Kwai - Lung Ying) shared schools together. Bak Mei has a variety of kicks albeit low (groin, leg, etc) from forms such as Gau Bo Toei, Dei Saat, Sek Sze, etc. However in some forms such as Sei Mun Baat Gwai has some higher kicks like the round and side kicks.
@Ben1987X Indeed Bak Mei and Wing Chun have similar techniques such as Pak Choi, Biu Gee, etc, as well as common theories of the centerline, bridge (Kiu) control, etc.
@Taud nothing wierd about that...names of techniques are not specific to just one type of Martial Art, for example a Tiger Claw is still a Tiger Claw in Bak Mei, Bak Fu, Hung-Gar, Dragon Kung-fu, Southern Preying Mantis etc. Same goes for Finger Jab, Hammer Fist, etc.
It just goes to show there is more similarities than differances between various arts.
@tigon001 yeah i guess that would make sense, we had all of that u listed as well, i just expected to hear a different name for the same hand form or technique, there was this wushu school across from us that away used to say we didnt even know the proper chinese terms and whatnot... i dunno it makes sense tho i enjoyed the channel youll see me comment again in the future
Has anyone tried cardboard? Pizza boxes are a good place to start. Hit it with the right technique and energy and you leave a nice clean hole. Hit it wrong and it hurts like hell. Try it. The thing I don't like about train ing with breakables is there is no opportunity for practicing multiple hits. In the video above, the guy is locking his elbow while hitting at max distance. One should never lock the elbow, and one should be able to deliver an effective blow at a shorter reach. Just my thought
@chinatownmike We also strike corrugated cardboard on occasion. We utilize various thickness ranging from 125B (pizza box) to 350BC (double wall heavy duty box). We have also tried our hand at triple wall 700AAC when we can get our hands on it.
This is a very interesting type of fist. I just have a few questions. One is how you form this fist correctly. Two is weather or not this kind of training has any affect on your dexterity. Thank you
@AsturiasGuitar in Bak Mei, the Phoenix eye is formed with a regular fist with the index finger extended out and supported by the thumb via applying pressure on the distal phalanx (first knuckle) of the index finger. This training supplemented with dit dar jow and other types of hand conditioning will ensure that no damage occurs to the phalanges.
this is cool and all, but i have seen those boards before, they are specially made to break and then fit back together. they're called "rebreakable boards." Not that this is anyless cool. striking anything with just one finger is painful and must have taken a while for him to be able to do that easily, they just use this type of board for saftey.
I do Wing Chun and we were taught the phoenix eye but I only know a few pressure points. The only reason I learned it was because my teacher showed us a few times and I took a seminar with William Cheung. Before I ever learned martial arts I learned to use a similar technique with the middle finger. all thanks to older brothers I suppose but it's used in several arts I relearned this in TKD. Wing Chun mainly uses the Biu Jee shooting or thrusting fingers. I also added the use of a leopard fist.
@bigfatdick5000 the concept of the Wing Chun one inch punch is similar to the Bak Mei short power generation as both use fa jin (explosive power) at close distances (a hallmark of many Southern Kungfu styles, others being Southern Preying Mantis, Lung Ying, etc). 練就寸寸肌 Practice using power from short distances.
The main difference is that we are also focusing on producing a useable extended knuckle strike (ie the Fung On Choy/Phoenix eye fist).
in this way we use more than just limbs to strike, we generate power through the use of our whole bodies bringing the arms forward. there is greater stability with the body weight behind the strike aswell as protection of vital organs. by bringing the hips squaring and "closing" we also protect our groin area from strikes. the body should be supple and as relaxed as possible. there should only be brief tension at the point of contact, followed by a snapping retraction. please propagate pak mei!
Pardon me for asking sifu, but you lookas if you're hyperextending the elbow a bit there. Is that how bak mei is traditionally done, or could it be just the angle of camera making it seem that way? I'm a karate man so I'm not too inclined with the Chinese Arts, much respect to all styles though. Just wondering.
In regards to the elbow it is most likely the angle in which the video was taken. As well this video is showing only a static position demonstrating short piercing power.
Dynamically (ie. in motion), Bak Mei power comes from the hips/waist and shoulders. Please see my small stone lion form video clip for more.
thats most definitely correct tigon! great pak mei knowledge. the elbows are generally kept in and pointed down, and that is especially the case at the point of impact with the phoenix-eye fist (in my pak mei branch anyhow). the power comes from the waist (squaring or closing the hips) and the sinking (monkey chest, tiger back) where by the abdominals contract and the shoulders come forward (although kept still low). the result should be the "round shape" of the back and a concave upper body.
nice. I made the mistake of showing a friends girlfriend that fist and an application to the bicep....little regret as she punched me barley when i was lying down in our dorm room and made my arm go numb for minutes. ..my girlfriend knows the fist too, she does my lower back sometimes and pisses me off and i keep telling her " its not to play with, you can hurt somone bad"
I have looked at the few videos you posted. I am really impressed with the work you put in, better than 99% of all White Eye Brow videos posted. Who is your Sifu and what generation are you? Got a set to show?
I am sixth generation, from Sifu Lai Bing Hung and Chan 15.
The "little lion" set was acturally named in memory of Sifu Sek who passed this set to Cheung Lai Chung. The "si" stands for teacher, not lion. You had weak straight punches on the set, did not use much of your shoulder, the back, or your waist then. You have come a long way.
we hit duck taped phone books, instead of breaking boards.....breaking boards gives you a feel that is unrealistic, compared to hitting something blunt that resembles body........try it, you'll see difference, especially if you have good internal training :)
Your statement in regards to the unrealistic body feel is true. However, one thing with the boards, is it will condition the phoenix eye (ie. give you that big callus on the knuckle) faster as the boards are a harder/denser material. If your knuckle can withstand a hard surface, it will have no problem on the human body.
you dont need to callus your body thats a myth and is unnatractive. there is no need in modern day times to callus for defense. thats just dumb, if you get attacked on the streets you can easily do without a callus knuckle to punch with. its personal choice for you then.
Can you explain how rebreakable boards work for me?
sangtawon 2 months ago in playlist More videos from tigon001
@sangtawon rebreakable boards can be broken and put back together after use as they are held together by a sort of tongue and groove. They come in various thicknesses and are good for multiple use.
tigon001 2 months ago
@kalelarea51 Lung Ying shares many similarities with Bak Mei such as powerful short ranged attacks and pressing footwork. However Lung Ying focuses more on gripping and seizing techniques.
For Bak Mei in NYC lookup pakmeinyc net
As for Lung Ying in NY I do not know.
tigon001 5 months ago
@kalelarea51 CLC and LYK were also in-laws.
Good luck with your search.
tigon001 5 months ago
@kalelarea51 Yes, the 2 arts blend well as the great grandmasters of each style (Cheung Lai Chuen - Bak Mei, and Lam Yiu Kwai - Lung Ying) shared schools together. Bak Mei has a variety of kicks albeit low (groin, leg, etc) from forms such as Gau Bo Toei, Dei Saat, Sek Sze, etc. However in some forms such as Sei Mun Baat Gwai has some higher kicks like the round and side kicks.
tigon001 5 months ago
@kalelarea51 100% agree. Some Bak Mei lineages even include LYK's Lung Ying into their cirriculum.
tigon001 5 months ago
Hey, where about's is your school in Calgary?
123UncleRuckus 9 months ago
@123UncleRuckus I now operate out of my garage.
tigon001 9 months ago
@tigon001 Very cool style very much like wing chun!
Ben1987X 8 months ago
@Ben1987X Indeed Bak Mei and Wing Chun have similar techniques such as Pak Choi, Biu Gee, etc, as well as common theories of the centerline, bridge (Kiu) control, etc.
tigon001 8 months ago
Remember I was here.Thai 9:37PM 4/22/2011
universetechnique 10 months ago
haha phalanges sounds funny
TheBamBamBoom 11 months ago
weird.... my teacher called that a phoenix eye as well an i was in bak sil lum
Taud 1 year ago
@Taud nothing wierd about that...names of techniques are not specific to just one type of Martial Art, for example a Tiger Claw is still a Tiger Claw in Bak Mei, Bak Fu, Hung-Gar, Dragon Kung-fu, Southern Preying Mantis etc. Same goes for Finger Jab, Hammer Fist, etc.
It just goes to show there is more similarities than differances between various arts.
Cheers.
tigon001 1 year ago 4
@tigon001 yeah i guess that would make sense, we had all of that u listed as well, i just expected to hear a different name for the same hand form or technique, there was this wushu school across from us that away used to say we didnt even know the proper chinese terms and whatnot... i dunno it makes sense tho i enjoyed the channel youll see me comment again in the future
Taud 1 year ago
We train progressively with coarse sand, then gravel, then river rock... the fu nan is a deadly weapon when conditioned properly...
DaveZylstra 1 year ago
Has anyone tried cardboard? Pizza boxes are a good place to start. Hit it with the right technique and energy and you leave a nice clean hole. Hit it wrong and it hurts like hell. Try it. The thing I don't like about train ing with breakables is there is no opportunity for practicing multiple hits. In the video above, the guy is locking his elbow while hitting at max distance. One should never lock the elbow, and one should be able to deliver an effective blow at a shorter reach. Just my thought
chinatownmike 1 year ago
@chinatownmike We also strike corrugated cardboard on occasion. We utilize various thickness ranging from 125B (pizza box) to 350BC (double wall heavy duty box). We have also tried our hand at triple wall 700AAC when we can get our hands on it.
Thanks for your views.
Best regards.
Best regards.
tigon001 1 year ago
This is a very interesting type of fist. I just have a few questions. One is how you form this fist correctly. Two is weather or not this kind of training has any affect on your dexterity. Thank you
AsturiasGuitar 1 year ago
@AsturiasGuitar in Bak Mei, the Phoenix eye is formed with a regular fist with the index finger extended out and supported by the thumb via applying pressure on the distal phalanx (first knuckle) of the index finger. This training supplemented with dit dar jow and other types of hand conditioning will ensure that no damage occurs to the phalanges.
Regards
tigon001 1 year ago
@tigon001
Thank you very much sifu
AsturiasGuitar 1 year ago
this is cool and all, but i have seen those boards before, they are specially made to break and then fit back together. they're called "rebreakable boards." Not that this is anyless cool. striking anything with just one finger is painful and must have taken a while for him to be able to do that easily, they just use this type of board for saftey.
OrderofADD 1 year ago
@OrderofADD I have already explained all of this in the video info.
"Bak Mei phoenix eye conditioning via short piercing power on Pro-Force re-breakable boards of various thicknesses (blue-1/4", red-1/2", black-3/4")"
Best regards.
tigon001 1 year ago
Jack?
I agree with Dr.RaymondWLee,very impressed at your hard work.Anyone can do kung-fu,very few excel and put their life into it.
OakIslandBandit 1 year ago
@OakIslandBandit Who is Jack?
Thank you for your comment.
Best regards.
Ed
tigon001 1 year ago
@tigon001 Name mix-up Ed,I seem to be getting old
Best wishes
OakIslandBandit 1 year ago
I do Wing Chun and we were taught the phoenix eye but I only know a few pressure points. The only reason I learned it was because my teacher showed us a few times and I took a seminar with William Cheung. Before I ever learned martial arts I learned to use a similar technique with the middle finger. all thanks to older brothers I suppose but it's used in several arts I relearned this in TKD. Wing Chun mainly uses the Biu Jee shooting or thrusting fingers. I also added the use of a leopard fist.
wolf3001 1 year ago
Is this related to the one inch punch in wing chun?
bigfatdick5000 1 year ago
@bigfatdick5000 the concept of the Wing Chun one inch punch is similar to the Bak Mei short power generation as both use fa jin (explosive power) at close distances (a hallmark of many Southern Kungfu styles, others being Southern Preying Mantis, Lung Ying, etc). 練就寸寸肌 Practice using power from short distances.
The main difference is that we are also focusing on producing a useable extended knuckle strike (ie the Fung On Choy/Phoenix eye fist).
Regards
tigon001 1 year ago
Wow ! This is very cool . I wish to achieve this level:)
TheWudang1 1 year ago
@TheWudang1, patience and dilligent conditioning will get you there!
Nothing is out of your grasp if you set it to a goal.
Regards
tigon001 1 year ago
Very painful if not conditioned ;-)
Anandfulness 1 year ago
That is correct.
To achieve a Phoenix eye at a pragmatic stage, one must first condition the P/E via push-ups and other such exercises regularly.
tigon001 1 year ago
anyone know where sifu master chong trains in the u.k? i know it used to be in crawley, but that was a while ago.
thehomefront 1 year ago
anyone know where sifu master chong trains in the u.k? i know it used to be in crawley, but that was a while ago.
thehomefront 1 year ago
just like ya man said...nice, very nice.
peace
mowgdog 2 years ago
nice video
SuperTutorialKing 2 years ago
in this way we use more than just limbs to strike, we generate power through the use of our whole bodies bringing the arms forward. there is greater stability with the body weight behind the strike aswell as protection of vital organs. by bringing the hips squaring and "closing" we also protect our groin area from strikes. the body should be supple and as relaxed as possible. there should only be brief tension at the point of contact, followed by a snapping retraction. please propagate pak mei!
kranskyyy 2 years ago 2
Pardon me for asking sifu, but you lookas if you're hyperextending the elbow a bit there. Is that how bak mei is traditionally done, or could it be just the angle of camera making it seem that way? I'm a karate man so I'm not too inclined with the Chinese Arts, much respect to all styles though. Just wondering.
deek77 2 years ago
In regards to the elbow it is most likely the angle in which the video was taken. As well this video is showing only a static position demonstrating short piercing power.
Dynamically (ie. in motion), Bak Mei power comes from the hips/waist and shoulders. Please see my small stone lion form video clip for more.
Thank you for your comments. Regards.
tigon001 2 years ago
thats most definitely correct tigon! great pak mei knowledge. the elbows are generally kept in and pointed down, and that is especially the case at the point of impact with the phoenix-eye fist (in my pak mei branch anyhow). the power comes from the waist (squaring or closing the hips) and the sinking (monkey chest, tiger back) where by the abdominals contract and the shoulders come forward (although kept still low). the result should be the "round shape" of the back and a concave upper body.
kranskyyy 2 years ago
nice. I made the mistake of showing a friends girlfriend that fist and an application to the bicep....little regret as she punched me barley when i was lying down in our dorm room and made my arm go numb for minutes. ..my girlfriend knows the fist too, she does my lower back sometimes and pisses me off and i keep telling her " its not to play with, you can hurt somone bad"
resinmage 2 years ago
I have looked at the few videos you posted. I am really impressed with the work you put in, better than 99% of all White Eye Brow videos posted. Who is your Sifu and what generation are you? Got a set to show?
I am sixth generation, from Sifu Lai Bing Hung and Chan 15.
DrRaymondWLee 3 years ago 2
Thank you for your comments.
I trained with Liu Shao Quan, his origins are from Guang Zhou. I am a 7th gen practitioner.
tigon001 3 years ago
The "little lion" set was acturally named in memory of Sifu Sek who passed this set to Cheung Lai Chung. The "si" stands for teacher, not lion. You had weak straight punches on the set, did not use much of your shoulder, the back, or your waist then. You have come a long way.
DrRaymondWLee 3 years ago
we hit duck taped phone books, instead of breaking boards.....breaking boards gives you a feel that is unrealistic, compared to hitting something blunt that resembles body........try it, you'll see difference, especially if you have good internal training :)
hakkasci 3 years ago 3
Your statement in regards to the unrealistic body feel is true. However, one thing with the boards, is it will condition the phoenix eye (ie. give you that big callus on the knuckle) faster as the boards are a harder/denser material. If your knuckle can withstand a hard surface, it will have no problem on the human body.
Great input, thanks.
tigon001 3 years ago
you dont need to callus your body thats a myth and is unnatractive. there is no need in modern day times to callus for defense. thats just dumb, if you get attacked on the streets you can easily do without a callus knuckle to punch with. its personal choice for you then.
resinmage 2 years ago
You are so great!
DEMZLY 3 years ago