The Patriot battle

[NGC773]

Most unrealistic and unhistorical battle of the entire movie

[scrubbygoat]

@NGC773 On the contrary, the battle of Cowpens happened as depicted. The American army ran on orders, unlike the earlier Battle of Camden, where the militia ran and lost thed battle. The British fell into thed trap when they followed the retreating American army over hill. Accurate!

[gijoetroop66]

@NGC773 thats why its a movie....

[TheImperialistStates]

and that's how we won.

[ibeatcodin1day]

the statistics you wrote don't really add up

[ww2feak]

whats he saying at 4:49 hold there shumen?

[reanactingjerseyguy]

@ww2feak He said something like hold your ranks

[ImATiger4487]

This movie is what we need in this tough economic times. A sense of American unity and motivation

[TheDarkFrontier]

Mighty nice of the British to just stand there and let the Americans shoot them. And this movie just reinforces the American-created myth that the British army was a well disciplined machine, which in fact it wasn't.

[ww2feak]

@TheDarkFrontier as a matter of fact it was, the british army was a well skilled well diciplined army actually i guess we just tried to reach to far trying to take over everything

[TheDarkFrontier]

@ww2feak

Having studied the American Revolution in depth, I can tell you it wasn't. The idea that the British Army was somekind of invincible steamroller was a myth perpetrated by the Americans during and following the war. The British Army was at this time, decades behind the French and Prussian armies for discipline, officer training and efficiency. I can give you a long list of inefficiencies the army suffered from. The Navy was our prime arm for many decades.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@ww2feak

As an example, an account from one American officer stated that the British in nearly every encounter (which he partook in) fired ragged volleys, with little modicum of discipline, the soldiers barely aiming and only two / three men actually being hit. Many battles were decided by bayonet charge. Look at the officer conduct of the French & Indian War, and that of the American Revolution to gain a better understanding of how inefficient the army really was.

[cpgrad07]

@TheDarkFrontier

It's a known fact that British Empire focus was always been there Naval Power. The Army was always a Second thought in the Empire's Military thinking.

[TheDarkFrontier]

@cpgrad07

Indeed. And even then, the best naval power of the Royal Navy rarely served this far abroad from home. For example, the ships that served in North America in the War of 1812 were mostly captured ships re-flagged under British service, poorly-manned or disciplined (by comparison to those in action against Napoleon) and in most cases, poorly built.

[knowltonjl]

British fought with muskets and cannons.

Americans fight with guts and balls.

[hiliak]

@knowltonjl

Americans fight with M16s and air superiority

Vietcong fought with Punji sticks

[iranus100]

huh lol why only 25 lost on the amarican side when the more trained and diciplined

british side lost a 110 guys?

[KJVabsolutetruth]

I pray to God that we have enough courageous and brave men to save this country from Marxism and Tyranny. In the mighty Name of Jesus Christ we will overcome! ~~armygirl4Christ~~

[farmmur]

I don't think I'd have the nerve to stand out in the open and fight like that. I'd rather shoot from the woods then run.

[BigMDS67]

This Battle along with Kings Mountain was the beginning of the end of the British in the Southern Theater of the Revolution.

[jojaine]

wow the british cocksucker you know the one that alwayz saying my lord he said retraet like they never did that before

[russian810]

it's not 1000 americans that fought this batlle but 1025 more accurately and it's sure that americans kiked some british ass's

[Smartypantsawesome96]

this is the battle of guilford courthouse which the british won. look it up

[laxAddict992]

haha man go to wikipedia and search battle of cowpens, look on and other historical sight also. It was a decisive victory for he Americans.

[residentevil246]

do u think that the red coats would hit there own men?

[residentevil246]

go blue coats

[esamhk]

finally someone knows that this is cowpens and not Guilford! Hey buy he way oh yea my ancestor was a american regular lieutenant in the war.

[jtp500rocks]

it would suck to stand in the front

[sKunKeNsTeiN]

only 25 Americans killed?

[ChuckmcberryFilms]

red coats rule

[MegaReptiles]

fag

[ChuckmcberryFilms]

is that the best you can do ?

[ryancrules623]

wtf it didnt show wen u fought the one dude

[ryancrules623]

yes

[defenderoFreedom]

Can someone tell me: Was this the epic battle that turned the course of the war? (Like said by Benjamin Martin)

[Firefighter213]

It was one of the battles that helped win the war. It prevented this portion of the contiental army in the south from being deystroyed. They were able to rejoin General Greene and He won the southern campaign which allowed Washington to come down and finish setting the trap With Greene and the French at Yorktown. It was fairly significant. FYI Cornwallis wasnt at the battle the British were led By Tarleton which tavington is based upon.

[defenderoFreedom]

Firefighter:

interestting. thank you!

[muffindude14]

yes that is true banastare tarleton was called "butcher" by the americans because just like tavington, he took no prisoners and u were right cornwallis wasnt there tarleton led and actually 90% of his men were killed in this battle his dragoon regiment basically died

[JBBJGWC]

No. Saratoga was a more important victory.

[StreetFightBroadcast]

funny that the same muskets used at this period were used by the south at the begining of the civl war because of lack of materials.

[Daveeagle1]

hold the line retreat hold the line retreat man can u american make up your mind

[gandy12907]

the discipline of the redcoats are really unnerving... they don't even flinch when someone right beside them is shot...

[charlie845]

they look like zombies :\

[jlg4880]

@charlie845

Amazing what a little bit of flogging can do...

[otester]

@gandy12907

Hence why we kicked so much ass.

The loss of this war was more political than military strategy. If the general populas wants you out, whats the point in staying?

[cl0vvntiem]

@gandy12907 That's why they were such good soldiers.

[jakescuba]

Dont mean to sound like a geek but i love the camera shot at 1:49 nice!

[Onetrustsno1]

Why do we always have to divide ourselves so? I have English, Irish, Scottish, and Cherokee blood in me. I am an American by birth... Southern by the Grace of GOD. War is a terrible thing. Death is a terrible thing, but I fear that we will be fighting like this in America ( for out freedom and liberty ) before all is said and done. The current economic issues are just the tip of the iceberg of the world wide troubles that are coming. I pray that GOD will have mercy on our souls.

[kordova2182]

God i cant wait for Empire: total war comes out im gonna do this exact same thing lol.

[teddyfireboy]

i am asian but i feel so proud to be a american

[eisenhorn123456]

You could move to Asia and feel even more proud. Then you could be around your own people and improve them!

[johnduffboy]

lol, the british flag beared got dumptackled =P

[johnduffboy]

bearer, even

[leonidas231]

maybe there is more then 1 flag Mel Gibson had 1 and some soldier

[DeadBoy85]

theres a error in this scene, you can see at 6:53 the guy with the flag is fighting another guy but at 6:54 he's farer and he is shooting someone

[DeadBoy85]

but why did you cut the fight with Taviton?

[sanbsball44]

well played

[Tombothebomb]

so stupid :S

at the start they just stood there letting them shoot them without ducking

[Princess0of0Darkness]

That's what they did in history during this particular war with Britian. They would just stand there and let the other side shoot at them. I think they did a very good job with this movie, it's very realistic. Although I want to say the actors tried to hard to pretend to die...it made it funny, not...war-like.

[charlie845]

its more of a tactic, I think...well from what I know, the birtish wanted to make sure that everyone shot at the same time

[IForgottenHopeI]

Actually the tactics used in the 1700s were rediculous if you ask me even for the weapon limitations.

In the Napoleonic wars tactics were developed to win decisive victories unlike the slogging matches of the 18th century.

In 1784 Cornwallis the loser of Yorktown surveyed Prussian military maneuvers and was astounded by their tactics: 2 lines coming up within 20 yards of each other and firing till they ran out of ammo.

This same army was destroyed in 1806 at Jena.

[Oneandoneself]

so what would you do

[IForgottenHopeI]

Follow orders, get flogged, drown sorrow in Rum to be sure.

[Oneandoneself]

thats what they did

[IForgottenHopeI]

Then im being at least historically accurate XD

[Oneandoneself]

so why did you say there tactics and what they did was stupid and then you say that is what you would have done

[IForgottenHopeI]

18th Century tactics and mindset dictated that battles were few and far between and that wars were prolonged. It didnt have anything to do With the Technology.

Napoleonic armies had the same weaponry as that of 100 years ago but conscription and different war methods insured that wars could be won in months rather than in the years it took pre-1796.

[Phase3]

Realistic, you say?

[jakescuba]

if you got all your men in a line of concentrated fire you would at this distants shown in this scene

[Phase3]

I was being sarcastic.

[Phase3]

@Princess0of0Darkness It is rather ahistorical though, no? :p

[jakescuba]

its because they never did in the revolutionry war its made up. When the british advatced towRDS there enmey the enemy would fire first but what the britidh would do is to march close enough so that there volley fire would be more deadly

[DeadBoy85]

he got shooted right in the hearts if its that you want to know....

[yodertrey]

lol

[BullRun1861]

History has it was not. Guilford Courthouse was a British victory by any criteria. The British held the field when all was said and done. The Americans hurt them badly, but the British had the honors of sleeping on the field (well watered with the blood of many of their comrades). A pyrhhic victory, but a victory nonetheless.

[BigMDS67]

@BullRun1861 But the British forces couldn't afford losses and it was an excellent strategy to bleed the British forces dry. You were forced to retreat to Virginia because of losses and lack of supplies.

[mgoerndt]

Actually, the defeat of the Germans at Stalingrad is what really ended all hope for them, considering that the Germans had devoted the main bulk of their forces to the invasion of Russia.

[worldfest]

hitler had underestimated the russians. he had hoped to defeat them by winter of whatever year he had invaded. Africa was another advance made by the alliance, but the war would have lasted several more years had the US kept it's isolation mode and who knows...maybe they would have treated, france and scandenavia and poland go to germany, until germany mobilizes again.

[worldfest]

i would have shot once and then ran at those soldiers with like a rapier in one hand and a musket handgun in the other with a tomahawk on my back...stupid way to fight, i'd take the barbaric name any day as long as i live...

[SAS22X]

I'm sure you would have worldfest. Shall I put you in Iraq and then let you say the same thing?

[worldfest]

yes, well ever since automatics were made, i'd be a bit more hesitant to run into battle...hehehe

I'd probably pack an MP4 going into iraq...unless i was a sniper...hmmh

[Phase3]

And your musket probably would never have hit anyone.

[gandy12907]

I agree, muskets are woefully inaccurate.

[zouless]

France!!!!

[DarthNithilues]

yeah not guild ford its cow pens wherw the militia fired then ran in front of the regulars and they shot ect

[hialt]

Militia used similar tactics at both Guilford and Cowpens.

[STLfan2468]

thts funny the British Commander is also Ben Franklin in the HBO mini series John Adams.

[scriptures777]

best movie ever made

[dabears187]

definately, they helped win ours and in WW2 we gave them theirs back...so we're even :)

[JESSIEEDSELL21]

actually we helped the british in ww2 were it not for america all of europe would be under nazi germanys and italys control.

[SAS22X]

lol. Thats both funny and ignorantly wrong.

[worldfest]

what! do you know ur history! you know how desperate england and the last 200 miles of france were?! please! we saved you guys from total defeat... the clearest turning point was the invasion of normandy, france...d-day marked the entrance for the americans and the end of the german blitzkrieg

[SAS22X]

I do know my history. You clearly don't. Actually the Siege of Tobruk marked the end of the German Blitzkrieg, the first time that tactic was stopped.

[worldfest]

yes, but in the overall drama...c'mon, it was d-day that ended all hope for the germans...

[SAS22X]

Hmm and who else was involved in D-Day? Who gathered all the intelligence? Who made D-Day possible by providing a launch base? Who secured the bridges? Who took the target objectives within an hour? that's right, the British.

[BullRun1861]

The British 6th Airborne was in first, right along with the 101st and 82nd Airborne, taking Pegasus Bridge. D-Day was an Allied effort, involving Americans, Englishman, Canadians, and Frenchmen. England's manpower was already nearing breaking point after five years of fighting in Africa, the Med, Italy and Southeast Asia.

[BullRun1861]

You may want to read the Allied Order of Battle for Operation Overlord. Eisenhower commanded Americans, Frenchmen, Englishman, Scotsmen, Poles and Canadians. D-Day was an Allied Operation.

[jakescuba]

i can tell your a yank without lookin at your profile becuse you said english and scotish instead of british, get it right mate that pisses me off.

[BullRun1861]

Sorry, old boy. Wouldn't want to "piss off" our cousins across the pond, would we? I do call things as I see them. There are Scotsman out there who might not feel to happy being called "British" - so either I offend you or someone else.

And yes, I'm a bloody, no good yank. Descended from General Nathaniel Greene, in fact. There's a good old twist.

[devil952]

The French did assist in our independence and for that, I respect them.

[kevinfart1]

how could they have won tehy got owned!

[charlie845]

well just from that, you can tell its an American movie :P

[GodofQTips]

@charlie845 your right its "the Patriot" :D

[reanactingjerseyguy]

@kevinfart1 the american general morgan came up with a genius plan that won them this battle

[DarthNithilues]

this is the battle of cowpens

[Grnxxdudexx]

lmao 4:18-19, i love that part

[rbengines]

after the first volley mel gibson was looking at the brits like nothing was happening

[redphoenix02]

I love this movie

[TheNewEmphinix]

This is historical.

[Blueguy85]

this cant be the battleof guildford courthouse, because the english should have won if it was that specific battle

[GastonEsquivel1993]

nice movie

[dizzle229]

Cool, but where is the thing where he kills the officer?