Whatever else may be said about John Tyndall he was spot on with this "in the catastrophe to which we are heading they will be able to turn to no one else". Well I'm not saying go out and vote BNP but THE CATASTROPHE is here now. It's on our streets as we speak.
he was a truly brave gentleman who loved his country and people with all his heart our country and indeed people need a leader just like mr tyndall we need someone of his strength passion inteligence wisdom and mighty spirit which will always live on RIP
What a great man. His lifelong pursuit for European and in particular british soverienty did not come from a moment of hate but from an intense love for his people and herutage. John Tyndall we love you. We would die to save the race and the ethnic british the real british.
Its ok for them to come over here build a mosque and walk around looking like a terrorist with head scarfs but as soon as we step foot on there soil, our women have to cover up etc. BNP ALL THE WAY
I keep hearing this, but I find it hard to believe. As on every topic however I am open minded and prepared to look at both sides of the story (I do support the BNP after all).
Can you cite any references or point me to any further reading to enlighten the subject? Thankyou.
If the British people fought Fascism - as they did - they did not do so in order that subsequent generatoins would sheepishly vote for this abominable "philosophy".
As for National Socialism - Nazism: JT was a Nazi - he made no bones about it. From his early 1960s publication, "The Authoritarian State" to his "Eleventh Hour" effort of much later: he was always, and remained, a fervent Nazi.
There is a special place reserved in Hell for JT and his like.
We fought off German Fascists, not because they were Fascist, but because they were German. As for John Tyndall, he wasn't a Nazi, as he was not a member of the National Socialist German Worker's Party. In his early years, he was a National Soicalist, but when he joined the NF in 1960's, he abandoned the whole NS ideology. There was Jewish members in the NF, and the BNP. There is still Jewish members in the BNP. The war heroes of WW2 fought for a British Britain.
@Nationalism4Life True. It's a myth that WW2 was a war against Fascism/Nazism. Churchill often sympathised with the views of Mussolini and even Hitler at times.
Indeed, they use that against us. Winston Churchill was actually against non-White immigration into Britain, if only these brainless fools would be bothered to search it up.
@TerrySleeper Up yours mate. I would rather have a Nazi government than a Paki one. That is the fundamental choice people have to make. What happened in 1938-45 is ancient history and is not relelvant to the modern world. The number of wogs and niggers in Britain in 1939 was totally insignificant.
An insult? One must not ignore that many of BNP statements and their policies share the same sentiments with the populace, The issues in which they combat are quite concerning and hence the community is now supporting the BNP as displayed by recent elections.
We did fight fascism, but not so that their nation could be soon sold away to immigrants whom ironically refuse to assimilate, yet expect the same from their host nation. And your suggestions of National Socialism are weak at best.
He called it a so-called victory for the simple question, did our war heroes fight for modern liberalism such as mass immigration, softness on crime, privatisation, free trade, pornography, gay marriage and political correctness? No. They fought for glory and they wanted glory for our future kin.
No actually you BNP lot are stupid. Im not as narrow minded as you and I consider EVERYONE (no matter what colour they are) human beings. Because believe it or not when you look past all that, thats what we all really are. I really feel sorry for you all.
We are not stupid, we are just against mass immigration and race matters a lot, it defines who you are and no, we are not from Africa, the black man has never evolved into the white man.
Yeah whatever. Race doesn't matter. You lot are just sick in the head. You're all nazis. Nothing you have said has changed my mind about you. Don't bother replying. Bye! :)
No we are Nationalists and race applies to everyone around the world. Nazism is a race supremacist ideology/ religion that wishes to control the world and invade everyother race and a devotion to Hitler and the extermination to the Jews. That is a vile ideology
No actually you are quite similar to each other, you think you're more superior to everyone who isn't english! No one is 100% pure english, no matter how much you try to cover it up. If you looked far into your background you would realise that you're not as special as you think u are! And anyway there are hundreds of thousands of mixed race people in england now so I doubt you'll have many of your own with you.
You really are a stupid idiot aren't you? Where have I said that we are 100% pure English and that we are superior to anyone who is not English? No-where. You just don't get it do you? if the Aborigines claim that they are Aborigines, not Europeans does that mean that they are Aboriginal supremacists? Are you going to say that they are all mixed race? No. We are not mixed race in Britain, we are of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Norse and Norman descent- they are still Northern European people.
You might not have said it but plenty of other BNP members think that way. You still dont want pakistanis, indians, africans (non-whites) etc in england. Fair enough there are loads of illegal immigrants coming in and it is getting overcrowded but what about the ones that were born here and were brought up the british way. Or the ones that have a english mother but colored father, what will happen to them?
Those whose grandparents came here or who are mixed race are no problem to us, it is only illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers and economic migrants.
A very poor speaker. Too long winded. Lacks charisma. The tone of his voice does not vary, its quite full. He clearly has tried to copy the style of Mussolini (not Hitler) and has failed.
Rest in peace you great lion of Brittain, your deeds will help to save the eurpe and the brittain we all know. Europe is a only cristian part f the world, lets keep it that way.
I know that albania, bosnia herzogovina and turkey ( if you c onsider turkey being in europe) are muslim, but thats just dirtspots on a clean sheet.
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he is just a fucking nazi like the bnp today im white british and if this fool or any bnp fool gets in power im of to an outher country cos you think this country fucked now wait til this set of cocks gets into power were all fucked
thank god this vile prick is dead. pity no-one took him out before he could spew his moronic bigotry on the world.
Hopefully Nick Griffin will do something decent for the first time in his life and evaporate, leaving the intelligent population free from listening to the shite that flies out of his mouth.
you have to remember young man that us,old timers didnt have diversity and eqaulity shoved down our throats as you have and have indeed been brainwashed by it all.if you look on you tube if anyone ever talks about immigration,the bnp always gets mentioned.decent hard working people are concerned by mass immigration,and this goverment has brainwashed people like you to discourage any free debate on it.you wont shut me up son,EVER.long live the ofba!!!
Not all 'decent hard working people' are concerned with immigration. I work and pay tax in this country like a lot of people, but I am open to the idea of immigration.
Surely you aren't suggesting that equality is a bad thing??
I'm not discouraging free debate. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, and I consider alot of BNP policies unacceptable in a modern society. It's completely your right to agree with them. But it is my right to disagree with you at the same time.
Absolutely its your right to disagree with them, and to vote for someone else.
My problem is not with people who oppose the BNP but with people who try to stop the BNP from holding meetings, marches etc but they are mostly communists, a group hardly renowned as a champion of freedom of speech.
And It is your right to say that. however Stephen Lawrence was an innocent man who was murdered, and John Tyndall was a bigot who was jailed for incitement of racial hatred 3 times.
sorry, I can see I read your comment slightly out of context. However your suggestion that the law forbidding incitement of racial hatred is merely a restriction of free speech is a bit farcical. Is the banning of racism and homophobia also a curtailment of free speech and therefore unjust?
Your point about Stephen Lawrence is also fairly bewildering. To say that you've heard he was a drug dealer, despite a lack of conviction, is the same as me saying I've heard the Queen is an alien.
Well can you tell me how a law which dictates that one cannot say certain things is NOT a curtailment of freedom of speech.
Laws attempting to prohibit homophobia and racism are curtailing freedom of speech and are wrong.
Noam Chomsky, a socialist and Jew (so hardly one of those "nazis" you mentioned your dislike for earlier) said if you don't believe in freedom of speech for those you most despise you don't believe in it at all.
On reflection, I accept that to ban racism and homophobia is restrictive, however i think it's an acceptable restriction given that they are both for the pure purposes of hate. I wouldn't say i disrespect the right of someone to freely speak their mind, and if I have allowed myself to be mis-interpereted then i apologise. However I believe it is acceptable to disrespect the words they use in the form of my own opinion, which in turn can be disrespected.
Well if you think they're acceptable maybe I think socialism and multi-racialism are unacceptable. See where we're going here?
When you ban speech rather than bringing it out to be challenged you are forcing people to be terrorists. Would you rather deal with hateful rhetoric or bombings?
Although your point is a valid one I don't see a similarity between socialism/multiracialism and homophobia/racism, but i can only accept your right to believe so. Also I agree with you that free speech should be utilised as a tool against violent terrorism (assuming that was what you meant).
Well what I meant was along the lines of the saying, "If you refuse to deal with a man of the pen you will be forced to deal with a man of the sword".
I think homophobia pointless, homosexuality is neither here nor there and people who have a pre-occupation with it often seem to be hiding something themselves.
Multi-racialism will see us descend into a ruined, cultureless, raceless, monocoloured world and that to me is about as damaging as it gets, but clearly you may differ.
Well in that case i do agree with you on the pen/sword issue.
However in terms of Multiculturalism/racialism I think that Jimmy Carter put it best when he said that 'We become not a melting pot, but a beautiful mosaic'. In terms of laws and rights we should all be equal. But I also think that in terms of culture then if many cultures are present in one place then there should be no reason why they can't co-exist together.
An Englishman who has an objection to the way Halal meat is slaughtered and a Muslim who insists upon eating Halal meat, what happens? They have to shop at different shops (or at least buy different products) and eat at different restaurants. That's one example of many.
Mosques? A Mosque wants to have that call to prayer in the morning, non-Muslims don't want it, Church bells is another similar example.
That is a difficult question and perhaps the answer is there should be no lines. However I think to give widespread public exposure to speeches which are so obviously for the purpose of murder of others (which then leads to the question of the advertising campaigns for the Army etc); the hatred of others on the grounds of race/religion/sexuality. Whilst speeches of this kind may be legally acceptable it is personal morality which defines whether they are actually acceptable.
Well the "giving" of wideapread public exposure would not/should not come from the government. It will come from the non-governmental entities (i.e. corporations) who own and operate news media outlets, they broadcast speeches from people they want to support and muffle those from those they oppose.
Morality and law should reflect each other but they cannot reasonably do so because everyone is governed by their own, individual moral code.
The chants of "Kill Jews" or "Kill Whites" or anything like that are covered by laws which pre-date the Race Relations Act etc.
Both are soliciation to murder, I think, and punishable by up to life imprisonment.
But the incitement to racial/religious hatred act serves to appease hypernsensitive weaklings who cannot tolerate criticism, they are a direct infringement upon freedom of speech.
As a white atheist i don't consider myself to be threatened in terms of religious/racial abuse but i think there is a fine line between criticizing a race/religion and deliberately inciting hate towards one. If I were to say church-goers who block the roads on a sunday are irritating (a light-hearted example) that would be criticism If i were to say that because of it they should be persecuted and possibly killed, that's inciting religious hatred, which is wrong.
Also the only reason i questioned your statement that you heard Stephen Lawrence was a Drug Dealer was that it was, in my opinion, contextually irrelevant and you almost seemed to be trying to compare John Tyndall ACTUALLY being convicted, with Stephen Lawrence POSSIBLY being a criminal, as a means of defending John Tyndall's criminality.
Whatever else may be said about John Tyndall he was spot on with this "in the catastrophe to which we are heading they will be able to turn to no one else". Well I'm not saying go out and vote BNP but THE CATASTROPHE is here now. It's on our streets as we speak.
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GlamTillDeath 8 months ago
Who's going to be daft enough to vote for that c**t?
fluro2829 11 months ago
Idiot.
HughieDixon 11 months ago
he was a truly brave gentleman who loved his country and people with all his heart our country and indeed people need a leader just like mr tyndall we need someone of his strength passion inteligence wisdom and mighty spirit which will always live on RIP
riseofborg 1 year ago
What a great man. His lifelong pursuit for European and in particular british soverienty did not come from a moment of hate but from an intense love for his people and herutage. John Tyndall we love you. We would die to save the race and the ethnic british the real british.
009009ize 1 year ago
it's such a shame there's no hell for this scumbag to go to.
JohnMcClainBaby 1 year ago
Like this knob jockey would even know what to do if he had power...
PsuedoMacro 1 year ago
what a complete prick....
lamb225 1 year ago
Well, this is a bit boring isn't it?
regularjon 1 year ago
Britain needs leaders to create the new empire not cocks
antiindependanceday 1 year ago 3
What a two faced Nazi knob, a fucking disgrace to the UK, I believe in no inpure thoughts, like communism and Facism just harmony!!!
Long live the Black, and white's and long live Britain
(Tyndall was wrong)
antiindependanceday 1 year ago
@antiindependanceday Shut the fuck up and get out of Britain.
VinceNF1488 9 months ago
Its ok for them to come over here build a mosque and walk around looking like a terrorist with head scarfs but as soon as we step foot on there soil, our women have to cover up etc. BNP ALL THE WAY
japanigro 1 year ago 2
Most of Tyndall's legacy is commemorated in the NF than it is in the BNP.
NatDemUK 1 year ago
Still moaning about the same things today as they did 20 years ago.
kefflam 1 year ago
This Man was a good decent man who told the truth.
rarecockneyguvnor 1 year ago
good speaker
still not voting bnp though :S
jaw1024 2 years ago
@jaw1024 Yeah this was 20 years ago dumass, the whole party/ country has changed now. VOTE BNP!
unrealharry 1 year ago
@unrealharry yeah, 20 years later and nick griffin's in charge. MAJOR improvement i'm sure
jaw1024 1 year ago
great man :O)
Olekander 2 years ago
Arthur Kemp = MI5, Mossad, Judeo-Masonic plant
seikyoukainoakira 2 years ago
I keep hearing this, but I find it hard to believe. As on every topic however I am open minded and prepared to look at both sides of the story (I do support the BNP after all).
Can you cite any references or point me to any further reading to enlighten the subject? Thankyou.
scrembo 2 years ago
Wrong.
If the British people fought Fascism - as they did - they did not do so in order that subsequent generatoins would sheepishly vote for this abominable "philosophy".
As for National Socialism - Nazism: JT was a Nazi - he made no bones about it. From his early 1960s publication, "The Authoritarian State" to his "Eleventh Hour" effort of much later: he was always, and remained, a fervent Nazi.
There is a special place reserved in Hell for JT and his like.
Try not to be there!
TerrySleeper 2 years ago
We fought off German Fascists, not because they were Fascist, but because they were German. As for John Tyndall, he wasn't a Nazi, as he was not a member of the National Socialist German Worker's Party. In his early years, he was a National Soicalist, but when he joined the NF in 1960's, he abandoned the whole NS ideology. There was Jewish members in the NF, and the BNP. There is still Jewish members in the BNP. The war heroes of WW2 fought for a British Britain.
Nationalism4Life 2 years ago
@Nationalism4Life True. It's a myth that WW2 was a war against Fascism/Nazism. Churchill often sympathised with the views of Mussolini and even Hitler at times.
marcusantonius90 2 years ago
Indeed, they use that against us. Winston Churchill was actually against non-White immigration into Britain, if only these brainless fools would be bothered to search it up.
Nationalism4Life 2 years ago
@TerrySleeper Up yours mate. I would rather have a Nazi government than a Paki one. That is the fundamental choice people have to make. What happened in 1938-45 is ancient history and is not relelvant to the modern world. The number of wogs and niggers in Britain in 1939 was totally insignificant.
marcusantonius90 2 years ago
Oh, come off it!
"Our war heroes" fought against fascism, racism - everything Tyndall and his like stood (and stand) for.
This video is an insult to the war dead of these islands.
TerrySleeper 2 years ago
An insult? One must not ignore that many of BNP statements and their policies share the same sentiments with the populace, The issues in which they combat are quite concerning and hence the community is now supporting the BNP as displayed by recent elections.
We did fight fascism, but not so that their nation could be soon sold away to immigrants whom ironically refuse to assimilate, yet expect the same from their host nation. And your suggestions of National Socialism are weak at best.
France2234 2 years ago
no, they fought to keep Britain British
hty1882 2 years ago 2
LOL you really are as much a fail retard as tyndall and hitler
MrMorgansgoat 2 years ago
We did not fight against racism nor fought we for multiculturalism.
Have you even read The Eleventh Hour?
NatDemUK 2 years ago 6
@TerrySleeper Bollocks.
marcusantonius90 2 years ago
The key to this speech is his phrase "That so-called victory of 1945".
If JT had had his way, the British would have been fighting on the side of Hitler.
JT was a Nazi - pure & simple. He just wrapped it up in the Union Jack.
"Rule Britannia", my arse. "Sieg Heil", more like.
TerrySleeper 2 years ago
He called it a so-called victory for the simple question, did our war heroes fight for modern liberalism such as mass immigration, softness on crime, privatisation, free trade, pornography, gay marriage and political correctness? No. They fought for glory and they wanted glory for our future kin.
NatDemUK 2 years ago 2
Race is EVERYTHING! Nothing is outside race.
marklavar 2 years ago
lol this BNP guy is a fucking retard. All you BNP members are racist pricks!!
anjelforlyf 2 years ago
You are just an ignorant tosser!
NatDemUK 2 years ago
yeah and you're gay..but what can you do?!!!!! :)
anjelforlyf 2 years ago
I am not gay, I am just not as stupid as you
NatDemUK 2 years ago
No actually you BNP lot are stupid. Im not as narrow minded as you and I consider EVERYONE (no matter what colour they are) human beings. Because believe it or not when you look past all that, thats what we all really are. I really feel sorry for you all.
anjelforlyf 2 years ago
We are not stupid, we are just against mass immigration and race matters a lot, it defines who you are and no, we are not from Africa, the black man has never evolved into the white man.
NatDemUK 2 years ago
Yeah whatever. Race doesn't matter. You lot are just sick in the head. You're all nazis. Nothing you have said has changed my mind about you. Don't bother replying. Bye! :)
anjelforlyf 2 years ago
No we are Nationalists and race applies to everyone around the world. Nazism is a race supremacist ideology/ religion that wishes to control the world and invade everyother race and a devotion to Hitler and the extermination to the Jews. That is a vile ideology
NatDemUK 2 years ago
No actually you are quite similar to each other, you think you're more superior to everyone who isn't english! No one is 100% pure english, no matter how much you try to cover it up. If you looked far into your background you would realise that you're not as special as you think u are! And anyway there are hundreds of thousands of mixed race people in england now so I doubt you'll have many of your own with you.
anjelforlyf 2 years ago
You really are a stupid idiot aren't you? Where have I said that we are 100% pure English and that we are superior to anyone who is not English? No-where. You just don't get it do you? if the Aborigines claim that they are Aborigines, not Europeans does that mean that they are Aboriginal supremacists? Are you going to say that they are all mixed race? No. We are not mixed race in Britain, we are of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Norse and Norman descent- they are still Northern European people.
NatDemUK 2 years ago
your actions define who you are,not your ethnic backround.
legolas11795 2 years ago
You might not have said it but plenty of other BNP members think that way. You still dont want pakistanis, indians, africans (non-whites) etc in england. Fair enough there are loads of illegal immigrants coming in and it is getting overcrowded but what about the ones that were born here and were brought up the british way. Or the ones that have a english mother but colored father, what will happen to them?
anjelforlyf 2 years ago
Those whose grandparents came here or who are mixed race are no problem to us, it is only illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers and economic migrants.
NatDemUK 2 years ago
John Tyndall was a legend.
It's a shame that he never got chance to be our prime minister. He would of made this country great again.
Nationalism4Life 2 years ago 2
Vote BNP
xXLukeTubexX 2 years ago
He's like your dementia ridden uncle making a sad and depressing spectacle of himself, sad old loser. And balding quite badly too.
Hooray for our genetic superiors! (?)
jollyjarvis 2 years ago
He was right then just as the BNP are right today and Oswald Mosley was in the fiftys!
davery1234 2 years ago 2
and just like Hitler was right in the 40s?
jutsenberg 2 years ago
You won't get round me like that FYC1, you smooth-talking bastard . . .
TerrySleeper 2 years ago
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Nazi.
'nuff said.
TerrySleeper 2 years ago
Your a cunt.
Nuff said!
1FineYoungCannibal 2 years ago 2
A very poor speaker. Too long winded. Lacks charisma. The tone of his voice does not vary, its quite full. He clearly has tried to copy the style of Mussolini (not Hitler) and has failed.
LairdKincavle 2 years ago
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Tyndall = fucking nazi scum
joey3469 2 years ago
My second names tyndall bellend lmao.
Ulmeyda08 2 years ago
Rest in peace you great lion of Brittain, your deeds will help to save the eurpe and the brittain we all know. Europe is a only cristian part f the world, lets keep it that way.
I know that albania, bosnia herzogovina and turkey ( if you c onsider turkey being in europe) are muslim, but thats just dirtspots on a clean sheet.
Ingalid 2 years ago
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Rest in PISS more like...........
mbproject21 2 years ago
Such a shame that this great man passed on.
RIP John Tyndall.
barabbas18 2 years ago 19
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he is just a fucking nazi like the bnp today im white british and if this fool or any bnp fool gets in power im of to an outher country cos you think this country fucked now wait til this set of cocks gets into power were all fucked
craiggrogan 2 years ago
We don't want anti-British fucks like you in our country anyway. So go on, Craig, put your money where your mouth is and fuck off to Iran.
wankmyhorseplz 2 years ago 2
thank god this vile prick is dead. pity no-one took him out before he could spew his moronic bigotry on the world.
Hopefully Nick Griffin will do something decent for the first time in his life and evaporate, leaving the intelligent population free from listening to the shite that flies out of his mouth.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
you have to remember young man that us,old timers didnt have diversity and eqaulity shoved down our throats as you have and have indeed been brainwashed by it all.if you look on you tube if anyone ever talks about immigration,the bnp always gets mentioned.decent hard working people are concerned by mass immigration,and this goverment has brainwashed people like you to discourage any free debate on it.you wont shut me up son,EVER.long live the ofba!!!
bittenof 2 years ago
Not all 'decent hard working people' are concerned with immigration. I work and pay tax in this country like a lot of people, but I am open to the idea of immigration.
Surely you aren't suggesting that equality is a bad thing??
I'm not discouraging free debate. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine, and I consider alot of BNP policies unacceptable in a modern society. It's completely your right to agree with them. But it is my right to disagree with you at the same time.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
Absolutely its your right to disagree with them, and to vote for someone else.
My problem is not with people who oppose the BNP but with people who try to stop the BNP from holding meetings, marches etc but they are mostly communists, a group hardly renowned as a champion of freedom of speech.
theporksicle 2 years ago
"Thank god this vile prick is dead"
Some people may think the same thing about Stephen Lawrence, all freedom of speech after all.
theporksicle 2 years ago
And It is your right to say that. however Stephen Lawrence was an innocent man who was murdered, and John Tyndall was a bigot who was jailed for incitement of racial hatred 3 times.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
I never said that, I said some may feel that way.
Also he was a drug dealer from what I've heard.
John Tyndall was jailed under laws which curtail freedom of speech.
theporksicle 2 years ago
sorry, I can see I read your comment slightly out of context. However your suggestion that the law forbidding incitement of racial hatred is merely a restriction of free speech is a bit farcical. Is the banning of racism and homophobia also a curtailment of free speech and therefore unjust?
Your point about Stephen Lawrence is also fairly bewildering. To say that you've heard he was a drug dealer, despite a lack of conviction, is the same as me saying I've heard the Queen is an alien.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
Well can you tell me how a law which dictates that one cannot say certain things is NOT a curtailment of freedom of speech.
Laws attempting to prohibit homophobia and racism are curtailing freedom of speech and are wrong.
Noam Chomsky, a socialist and Jew (so hardly one of those "nazis" you mentioned your dislike for earlier) said if you don't believe in freedom of speech for those you most despise you don't believe in it at all.
theporksicle 2 years ago
All I'm saying is that I've heard that he was a drug dealer, I've never said it was an absolute truth have I?
I find it funny you would expect your freedom of speech to be respected when you clearly don't respect everyone else's.
Its truly fascist to believe someone should be banned from speaking their mind, a word cannot kill anyone, only people can kill each other.
theporksicle 2 years ago
On reflection, I accept that to ban racism and homophobia is restrictive, however i think it's an acceptable restriction given that they are both for the pure purposes of hate. I wouldn't say i disrespect the right of someone to freely speak their mind, and if I have allowed myself to be mis-interpereted then i apologise. However I believe it is acceptable to disrespect the words they use in the form of my own opinion, which in turn can be disrespected.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
Well if you think they're acceptable maybe I think socialism and multi-racialism are unacceptable. See where we're going here?
When you ban speech rather than bringing it out to be challenged you are forcing people to be terrorists. Would you rather deal with hateful rhetoric or bombings?
theporksicle 2 years ago
Although your point is a valid one I don't see a similarity between socialism/multiracialism and homophobia/racism, but i can only accept your right to believe so. Also I agree with you that free speech should be utilised as a tool against violent terrorism (assuming that was what you meant).
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
Well what I meant was along the lines of the saying, "If you refuse to deal with a man of the pen you will be forced to deal with a man of the sword".
I think homophobia pointless, homosexuality is neither here nor there and people who have a pre-occupation with it often seem to be hiding something themselves.
Multi-racialism will see us descend into a ruined, cultureless, raceless, monocoloured world and that to me is about as damaging as it gets, but clearly you may differ.
theporksicle 2 years ago
Well in that case i do agree with you on the pen/sword issue.
However in terms of Multiculturalism/racialism I think that Jimmy Carter put it best when he said that 'We become not a melting pot, but a beautiful mosaic'. In terms of laws and rights we should all be equal. But I also think that in terms of culture then if many cultures are present in one place then there should be no reason why they can't co-exist together.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
They can co-exist when there is seperation.
An Englishman who has an objection to the way Halal meat is slaughtered and a Muslim who insists upon eating Halal meat, what happens? They have to shop at different shops (or at least buy different products) and eat at different restaurants. That's one example of many.
Mosques? A Mosque wants to have that call to prayer in the morning, non-Muslims don't want it, Church bells is another similar example.
theporksicle 2 years ago
I'm curious as to where you draw the line with your bans on speech.
If one were to say, "Immigration is bad, stop it now", had that ought to be legal?
How about, "We need to send back Blacks, Asians and Jews", should that be legal?
I find it hard to see any universally agreed upon, even in the leftwing world, standard for what should and should not be legal to say.
theporksicle 2 years ago
That is a difficult question and perhaps the answer is there should be no lines. However I think to give widespread public exposure to speeches which are so obviously for the purpose of murder of others (which then leads to the question of the advertising campaigns for the Army etc); the hatred of others on the grounds of race/religion/sexuality. Whilst speeches of this kind may be legally acceptable it is personal morality which defines whether they are actually acceptable.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
Well the "giving" of wideapread public exposure would not/should not come from the government. It will come from the non-governmental entities (i.e. corporations) who own and operate news media outlets, they broadcast speeches from people they want to support and muffle those from those they oppose.
Morality and law should reflect each other but they cannot reasonably do so because everyone is governed by their own, individual moral code.
theporksicle 2 years ago
The chants of "Kill Jews" or "Kill Whites" or anything like that are covered by laws which pre-date the Race Relations Act etc.
Both are soliciation to murder, I think, and punishable by up to life imprisonment.
But the incitement to racial/religious hatred act serves to appease hypernsensitive weaklings who cannot tolerate criticism, they are a direct infringement upon freedom of speech.
theporksicle 2 years ago
As a white atheist i don't consider myself to be threatened in terms of religious/racial abuse but i think there is a fine line between criticizing a race/religion and deliberately inciting hate towards one. If I were to say church-goers who block the roads on a sunday are irritating (a light-hearted example) that would be criticism If i were to say that because of it they should be persecuted and possibly killed, that's inciting religious hatred, which is wrong.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
Also the only reason i questioned your statement that you heard Stephen Lawrence was a Drug Dealer was that it was, in my opinion, contextually irrelevant and you almost seemed to be trying to compare John Tyndall ACTUALLY being convicted, with Stephen Lawrence POSSIBLY being a criminal, as a means of defending John Tyndall's criminality.
rockafellateatime 2 years ago
No, I was merely pointing out that some are not of the view he was so innocent.
After all his murder was not racial, I mean no-one was convicted of it were they?
theporksicle 2 years ago
This man said, 'Mein Kampf is my Bible'. Considering 2 of my familly members dies fighting Nazis I have stron reasons for hating his guts.
ebonyandroses 2 years ago
another fantastic speech from a man that could have saved this country.rest in peace comrade,let them hate,so long as they fear
johntyndallrip 2 years ago
How have you founded these videos of Tyndall?
NatDemUK 2 years ago
Err, yes it has changed a lot.
NatDemUK 2 years ago
Not 25 years, you prick! Griffin never got on with him CUNT!!! Someone needs to smash your head!
NatDemUK 2 years ago
Excellent speaker. Griffin is nothing. A liar and a greedy, superficial dishonourable little rogue who is ruining the nationalist cause.
AryanScot 2 years ago
If you believe that then you even thicker than i first thought!
ycsdgb 2 years ago
The BNP has sure come along way since those times with its new leader Nick griffin.
ycsdgb 2 years ago
John Tyndall is a doyle!
BOLSHEVIXTREME 2 years ago