Super Tweel, a High Performance Airless Wheel © Peter Becker

[JettaJ1]

I personaly would purchase michlens tweel for my truck.

[ThePhilipone]

Oh my good...he's arnold....the terminator...just listen to his voice

[MaRcIu27]

omg someone stole this idea!

[fingerfisty]

i like your explanation of why the other WONT work, but i don't get what your's is or why it does work. congrats though.

[awesome12345ish]

bullshit thats not michelin, it looks like a science project. michelin would not have a guy look homeless

[mastiago]

bullshit



[AryanKnight]

While this so-called 'SuperTweel' appears to have the advantage of lighter-weight and reduced aerodynamic-drag at the upper-half of the tire, as compared to the michelinTweel; --this ST may however have balance problems, which only more costly prototyping can disprove. Unfortunately, unless the inventor has timely filed a Patent-application, the 1-year statute of publicly revealing one's invention would pose a problem.

[Andrei4bike]

if he is soo good, he woud be a reach guy and not the people form michelini

[TheHigthlander3]

muy buena la idea pero podrias haberte lavado las manos y sacarte esos guantes todos podridos,una mesa no tan podrida y usar otra cosa en vez de palitos de madera---very good idea but you could have washed their hands and get you those gloves all rotten, so rotten table and not use anything else instead of wooden sticks

[FunkingLizard]

I only liked this video because it is so damn terrible.

[MuF123]

peter anton becker what are you doing for living? what did you study before doing it? why do you think engineers at michelin are complete idiots incapable of inveting what you've said? :)

[wispers187]

how about sway and arrow dynamics? this would have to be compensated with enclosed wheel wells and larger wheel wells for the deformation of the circle wheel into an oblong wheel under load. when the car is in a turn the soft spoke you are proposing would cause the vehicle to sway and shift laterally. this design is ereversably flawed. i suggest you start over with a more rigid design.

[xXxchipperchopperxXx]

imagine what happens when those bands snap fucking up every surrounding bands thus loosing traction worse than having a blowout the tire getting tangled in the wheel and everything that would be very bad

[zwut]

что за бомжа ?:)

[howsey182]

tentioned spokes = no movement over an object elastic or rubber = the tyre moulding to the object redusing shock or its easier to say Michelin airless lol

[Anaerin]

Congratulations, you are an idiot. The Tweel, as you so deride it, is suspended from the top spokes, which are under tension, so obviously under load the bottom spokes (which are not) may deform. That deformation gives greater contact with the road surface and enhanced grip. Your insistence on a "crossed" design for your spokes makes your rim highly likely to move laterally, and "wrap around" the hub if even the slightest side force is applied. Beyond that, it's a Tweel copy, nothing more.

[SuicidalLooney]

It makes me laugh how so many people are calling this guy crazy or an homeless just because he goes against a big company, YOU ARE ALL FOOLS. there is a fine line between greatness and madness. Typical fools, when a big company with lots of ads feed you filth you buy it up like shit, when a man comes with a counter argument you beat him down. Blinded by so much ignorance you refuse to even consider his point is valid, you will be the victim in the end because you refuse to see the other side.

[DrGoodwrench64]

@SuicidalLooney

You couldn't be more wrong about what people saying. It has nothing to do with Big Companies and everything to do with people who actually know quite a bit about tire technology and why designs like this are doomed to failure.

In a nutshell, I wouldn't put these things on my race car, so why would I put them on my daily-driver?

Hit a curb or pothole and this thing is toast because the tire can't absorb the shock to protect the rim.

Your tires are your primary shock absorbers!

[SuicidalLooney]

@DrGoodwrench64 Clearly you haven't seen the video of these tyres driving over land mines and explosions, they can be fitted to military vehicles too. they can obsorb way more damage or impact than a normal tyre. And on a car with high impact to the curb, the wishbones and suspension will break off before serious rim damage, that's what oborb most of the hit from a curb.

[DrGoodwrench64]

@SuicidalLooney

The only thing that will break are the spoke supports, then the whole will simply tear itself apart. If the design was sound, they would be running these at Indy & NASCAR.

Also notice, the auto manufacturers are not the ones trying to develop this technology. It's just 1tire company. If this were the wave of the future everybody and their mother would be rushing to build their version.

These may have specialized use in the military, otherwise these are just BIG forklift tires.

[GrafiteCityLux]

okay? you're just saying michlin needs to make stronger spokes on the tires?

[suprakilzz26]

i couldn't imagine how bad handling/braking distance must suck with this....

[amannvig]

@suprakilzz26 u can suck dick , u cant think anything

[suprakilzz26]

@amannvig made no sense but okay... u mad bro, on a troll rager?

[MrTiBuRoN97]

Where are you bond 007 ?

[SquarePupilIndustr]

check out my channel, i posted an innovation to the tweel, a useful safety features anyhow. why not slots where the tread connects the rim, the stiffness of a metal block or spoke driven from the tire tread to the rim might keep it stable in turn

[nemanume]

SS

[geniegogo]

forget the axle, how about putting the motor in-wheel? ... XD

[TheReelNeel]

how well does it handle corners and skids? if i had the time and the money to find you i would invest in this idea.

[Graphicspittz187]

Dumb idea

[SquarePupilIndustr]

@Graphicspittz187 why

[Graphicspittz187]

@SquarePupilIndustr it will never used like a everyday tire!

[PHOTOGRASPER]

Michelin knows nothing. I prefer to trust a hobo with a tweel made out of a coffee cup for all my super-science.

[sukofuko]

was this before he ran for Governor?

[TheTalonTsi]

u prlly stole the camera

[MorningwoodFB]

does anyone else notice that this tire would not really be able to turn all that well

(not spin, turn left/right while rolling). if it's on stretching spokes the outer half will stay stationary while the inner half will twist and contort while trying to turn. too much flex

[Zer0kbps]

the michelin design deforms in a way that provides more rubber in contact with the road surely this provides better grip overall?

[ebtowne]

ok so i think that the Michelin would howld p beter that rubber bands

[hunterziegelmann]

Your hobo glove is cool.

[schoopsmack]

super dweeb

[alberta4x4]

very weak comparison imo

[petthekittyz]

You talk alot of shit, you think michelins is soo horrible, although yours is a cardboard model EXACTLY the same as michelins. your video is the most biased thing i have ever seen

[rocketlauncher2]

Why in the hell would you make a model of it?

[crazykens1]

Swallow your spit, lmao

[crazykens1]

Puff Puff Pass

[snickerdoodleton]

he sounds like a Jamaican

[ChrisLuxembourg]

@snickerdoodleton

No, he is german...

[biquige]

hey man all i am going to say is. you want to say Michelin got it wrong? look at your prototype and look at theirs. um i think they know what they are doing! go smoke your crack old man.

[0xek0x]

This isnt a bad idea, but its stupid.

[doesnotexist77777]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident." --Arthur Schopenhauer

[WECantThink]

I wonder how they will handle mud that gets stuck in the "spokes"???

[miices]

First off... your are unbelievably incorrect. The physics of a pneumatic tire don't correctly follow newton's laws. You can't apply simplistic physics to the complexity of the deflection and tension forces on a pneumatic tire. Notice how the "tweel" has never been used on a race car. You should go read the thousands of pages written in trying to understand why the pneumatic tires acts as it does.

You are an inventor, not an engineer. Stupid uncontrolled experiments prove nothing.

[bigweapons]

@miices So you're saying pneumatic tires defy the laws of physics?

[miices]

Yes. The newtons laws dictate that an object if being forced downwards by 1 gravity, can only move sideways with the same force of 1 gravity. With a pneumatic tire a car can be accelerated at more than 1 force of gravity. I cant explain to you how it works in 500 words. So please read up.

Also, the "tweel" does not deflect correctly in a corner, so if a car has any body roll it would quickly lose traction. Suspension would need to advance to accommodate these wheels, not the other way around.

[bigweapons]

@miices

It doesn't defy the laws of physics. That's just a ridiculous statement. It doesn't act as a solid object, as newton's laws would dictate. The coefficient of friction of tires can be above 1.0, therefore you can have more than 1.0G of lateral grip.

[DocWolph]

I think these demos would work better if the design was applied to scale RC models at least since there designs are often much more involved and can accurately replicate the physics of a 1:1 car. In this way one can more believably test the concept and even refine the design before full scale application.

[khasro11]

this shit will never work in real world

[Phatbowser]

You are so full of shit. Put yours on a car, there will be no difference.

[MuF123]

he says michelin tire deforms and then he shows the same thing with his wheel. combined with incorrect physics this looks more like teleshopping ad.

[irideredline]

take your videos off here they are annoying we dont wanna stare at a wheel you drew and go find some garbage apparently lmao

[alvertocidez]

go find some garbage professor homeless!

[Equilibriate]

As I see it a homeless person may have relevant, innovative ideas. Fresh perspectives at approaching ideas, perhaps assisted by having a a view outside of social norms can be an asset to society at large.

I rather like his pluck in not waiting untill he had great resources behind his idea, before sharing it.

[JRCollinsfan]

omfg, here, car companies are trying to go back to the "retro" look and tire companies are fucking it up. Hey!, Have you ever heard of "SOLID" but normal looking rubber?

[mrtrink]

That kind of tire adds unnecessary weight and also reduces traction horribly. Along with that dry rot and changes in temperature can prove detrimental to the tire's structural integrity. Your argument is invalid, a large building will now fall on top of you.

[allstock]

there's a fair amount of incorrect physics info in here.

[the1thatgotirwin]

is he homeless?

[MasterAMD09]

@the1thatgotirwin Hahaha i was thinking that XD

[UnowMe00]

@the1thatgotirwin nah, perhaps german = fashion proof

[tewster]

is he serious, i hope not cause it's kindda sad

[perchjerker21]

Ha. There is a lot difference between Michelin testing this concept on an actual car and someone playing with homemade tinkertoys.

[nbcmsf]

este tipo de roda é uma verdadeira aberração

[rossiroller]

yea so they are gonna use gigantic rubber bands? this really is the same thing as the tweel

[Elovete]

it's no a joke .. is really . check Michelin Web

[reper465]

ahhhhhhhhhhhh a stick! nooooooo

[fstop100]

This looks as bad as Michelin's PAX system...Doomed for failure.

[OZ2YOU]

and how is the braking ?!

[Luke1337]

this is a joke

[Outlander11]

most real inventions start out as something as simple as a cardboard cutout.

This is something the industry has lost touch with over the years.

[TheJugglingJohn]

The only problem is that without the compression of the Michelin Tweel, the footprint of the tire is too small, leading it's traction to be next to nill. This is not a joke because of ill preparation (bravo on the presentation peterantonbecker), but it will fail because the design is inherently faulted. I'm sure Michelin tested this design as well and decided on their production model for a reason. Good job, and keep inventing.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

We love your passion!! as negative as it is.

What race-team wouldn't want; more horse-power to ground, lower un-sprung weight, more lateral stability, active camber, and reduced chance of failure?

[SqueakyBoy92]

The pic you got of the tweel when it was flat on one side was as the car was turning. Show me a vid or a real wheel that does not do that.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

that is exactly what he is saying. all wheels today do this same thing... thus giving you ZERO benifit from the tweel. The external ring does not deform along the bottom as a radial tire does. This is more efficient. A train wheel is 700 times more efficient than a car tire.

[skater15153]

ya that's brilliant...if you want NO GRIP! good thinking champ!

[EnergyReturnWheel]

It's clear you do not fully understand friction. The ERW© like any other tire can have many combinations of tred layer and membrane preload. These two customizable elements allow for unimaginable performance in all areas of current DOT tire needs.

[skater15153]

well you continue using your train wheels and I'll continue using what race teams develop...but I'm sure you know much better ;)

[skater15153]

the other thing is, i'm talkin about this guys duct tape model...not your ERW. I know you're trying to get your product out there...I might even consider getting them IF you can prove their value. To me that means it can survive performance and endurance tests. Aka run them in 24 hour endurance races. If they work well then...you just might get some market penetration.

[EnergyReturnWheel]

Britek Tire and Tubber is working tirelessly! To test our product during all phases of development, to create the must "Durable and Efficient" performance wheel in the world. Check back often for updates and more EXPLINATION as to HOW this works.

[Buffik2000]

Такие покрышки были разработаны в России в 1963 году при подготовке к лунной программе и испытывались в Сибири!

[atsugnam0]

Another issue your wheel exposes is extension of radius. By allowing the wheel to become larger at one single point momentum from this change in radius will cause the eccentric behavior to accelerate. Think of what happens to a truck tyre when part of the retread delaminates.

[atsugnam0]

The tweel prevents this possible disaster by not allowing the wheel to extend beyond the initial radius of the relaxed wheel, meaning that the balance of the wheel is maintained (The compression of the lower half is balanced by the force being applied by the ground on the tyre)

[atsugnam0]

The tweel operates with precisely the same mechanic as your wheel design and your wheel design offers exactly no benefit over the tweel design.

The Lower structs on a tweel only compress as a function of flexing in the outer rim, this is identical in effect to the compression shown in your model. The tweel does not float on top of the compressed stalks, rather it hangs from the top stalks exactly the same as your design does. If you understood elasticity this would become readily apparent.

[peterantonbecker]

The tweel doesn't hang, its tread band can't have the tread band stiffness to transfer tension to the top spokes. You said yourself"...the tweel does not rely upon the tension in the spars..." Tweel suspension relies on compression which requires a lot of beef and changes the hysteresis equation from elastic behaviour way over to the inefficient and sluggish viscose end. Example: an industrial bungee section has a responsive tension but almost no resistance to compression, you can see it clearly

[atsugnam0]

When I stated that the tweel does not rely on tension in the spar, I meant pre-tension which your wheel uses to hide the buckling effect seen in the tweel.

For no tension to be exerted, the tweel would distort far outside of the circular form, which is where your model comes in, it allows the tyre to distort outside of the relaxed form. This distortion creates eccentricity in the tyre rotation this is _very_ _bad_ for tyres

[peterantonbecker]

Yes, there is no preloaded elements in the tweel; but also no tensile loads through vehicle weight or obstacle induced suspension reaction. How can there be when there is no movement of the tread band or of the spokes relative to the hub other than in the foot print area?

[atsugnam0]

Tension is a force, not distortion, you are confusing the forces involved with the appearance of the wheel itself. Tensile load exists on the tweel on all staves, except for the ones being compressed by the weight of the vehicle. The tweel does not distort out of round like your wheel because this is disastrous.

[peterantonbecker]

Off course the tweel is out of round under load like any other flexible wheel because it has a foot print like every other flexible wheel which is now closer to the hub. You confuse that with out of round in relaxed state which would and with some damaged tires does cause a bumpy ride. Now tension is a force and if its not counter acted or resisted it causes deformation in flexible materials. What matters for efficiency at highway speeds, is the responsiveness of the flexing; above hysteresis.

[atsugnam0]

Your wheel design introduces a fatal flaw. By allowing the wheel to distort outside of the relaxed radius of the wheel you create eccentricity in rotation. At high speed your wheel would tend to vibrate vertically excessively not unlike an unbalanced wheel as the increased radius created by the top edge of the wheel moving away from the axis will push forward and down creating an egg shaped wheel. You forget that this needs to rotate at over 2000rpm for just 60km/h (205/75 R14)

[peterantonbecker]

The analogies of the unbalanced wheel and the tread separation go astray, see above.

At the speeds of equipment and wheel chairs tweels work OK. The tests show the problem is with car and truck use; rough ride leaning towards solid rubber tire feel, also similar to run flat tires with their beefy side walls. Fat side walls and fat flexible spokes designed to provide buoyancy and dampening by compressing carbon black and other tire materials are too viscose in their reaction at speed.

[OnePlaGe]

@atsugnam0:

A wheel rotate nearly with nearly 600rpm on 60km/h. You mean that your motor is rotate with 2000rpm. A wheel has ~0,6m at daimeter.

60000m/h / 60min = 1000m/min

wheel: ~0,6m * pi = ~1,9m

rotation: 1,9m / 1000m/min = ~530rpm for 60km/h

But I think also whis wheel will get problems on high speed and over a road hole on the street. Maybe the wheel cant get back the balance becouse the centrifugal force on the other side of the compression is much stronger.

[atsugnam0]

Vid Creator needs to read up on engineering and elasticity, your wheel design relies upon the outer rim of the wheel remaining intact for the wheel to function. The instant the outer surface is breached, the wheel will destroy itself due to the high tension contained within. The elastic crossed spars provide no better sideways deflection prevention than wide spars (is the equivalent of a crossed set of spars of same width, but stronger due to larger cross section)

[peterantonbecker]

Every wheel, tweel or tire relies on the structural integrity of its tread band. But here intact certainly means it can have a bunch of holes or scratches from upstanding nails, spikes, gravel splinters etc. Sandwiched underneath a rubber tread a tread band material of extreme resilience, elasticity, low unsprung mass (meaning it tends to move rather than shatter) and survivability might be unidirectional fiberglass.

On lateral definition, as with higher profile pneumatic tires, optimum is OK.

[atsugnam0]

Also, in response to outer rim remaining intact, the tweel does rely to a small extent on the outer edge remaining intact, however, as the tweel does not rely upon the tension in the spars countered by the rim's structural integrity, it does not completely collapse when the rim edge is broken, as evidenced by the landmine test.

[peterantonbecker]

The landmine test was impressive but it was done with a construction equipment tweel version without compromise for speed. A proof of concept model like the Super Tweel currently, provides indications which is different to a full scale real world prototyping, testing and evaluation program. A blast impact would effect roundness for both styles. Also scale errors can go either way. Imagine embedded thin steel reinforcements allowing blast breakage but not separation in the Super Tweel tread band.

[peterantonbecker]

Tire Society Inc. in Akron Ohio is a good resource for reading up on tire science.

[costidinculeanu]

I CAN HARDLY WAIT TO USE THIS WONDERFUL,TECHNOLOGICAL SUPERIOR TYRE ON MY 330 BHP INSIGNIA....UUUUUU!!!!UUUUU!!!­!

[Meotbri]

Certainly has the terminator thing going for him. Will these designs remain open on the sides as show in video? If so, I would be concerned about debris on the road getting caught in the spokes.

[peterantonbecker]

There should be a few diagonal grooves or lips on the inside of the tread band that would expel snow, pebbles, debris as soon as something attempts to settle in.

Open spokes stay cooled and can be inspected. In terms of strength I don't see why they would be weaker dimensioned than conventional steel spokes, and there is safety redundancy for breaking some. To answer these questions better, to reach beyond scale model and scale errors its going to take full scale prototyping and testing.

[poqnsmknbuy]

What happens when one of your spokes snaps?

[southphilie]

haha speaking of bad performance i like the hobo mittens. try and invest in some new ones maybe in hot pink.

[pucins]

Using this design, the surface of the wheel will be rounded because of the X type spokes that are under tension. The ends of the X spokes are attached to the sides of tire surface, forming a round surface.

[chukfarly]

make it then so l don t have to worry bout flats any more

[mrsoundscience]

THIS IS THE MOST MIDLESS VIDEO ON YOUTUBE.

Vehicle weight has not been taken into consideration, with overly flexible spokes you would encounter camber/caster problems, the spokes on this design collapse further than Michelin's Tweel, and OF COURSE this shame of a model has "perfect shape memory" all RUBBER BANDS DO!

Horrible mockery of a great innovation by Michelin.

[crutherford1]

i like the hobo gloves. i was halfway hoping that this video was a front and he'd start talking about nuclear detonators and shit half-way through.

[skdog187]

i bet urs will flex from high speed braking and acceleration thats like michelin tires have those triangles you should do an X instead of I spokes

[virus058910]

did he write those words with crayons

[mongobaer]

lol. nice try.

[innertube1949]

This guy is a shade tree mechanic.

[sprintrjm]

booooooring.

[rcman50166]

This is very well analyized. But I must ask, why is there such a heavy accent and use of such terminology like "squishy" mentioned in "Real Tweel, Precursor of Super Tweel"? Also it is very slow in it's explaination. But good analysis overall.

[innertube1949]

This guy is a shade tree mechanic.

[Dilekz]

These kind of tires, have more effeciency then the real one from michelin..:O

You are quite right! .. but dont think the tweel technology from michelin is a flaw.. you are just making it better :)

[jsullivan80]

I don't think is design is better at all. It's not rigid enough. The Michelin tweel can handle large weight and torque loads. It will also have superior traction.