Extremely controversial, no doubt. However, I do not know why Rahj was being so critical of Dave. I just do not believe Crosby made those statements just to be "cool." No wonder they parted ways. What a shame.
Crosby was all over the lot in musicianship and commentary between songs at Monterey--this one though, he was right on--the American people have the right to know what really happened with the Kennedy assassination!
@1958Saturday the Kennedy family knows what happened oswald acted alone they are lawyers if there was a government conspiracy they would have sued the government
Never mind the music school-I was there. I met Roger and Chris at Durban airport, interviewed them and attended the concerts. Roger actually left the stage halfway through as he was suffering from flu. Please read the Byrds on wikipedia for confirmation of all this. One of my most treasured possessions is the copy of "Younger than Yesterday" that Roger and Chris signed for me. You can also check Zigzag magazine online and buy complete sets of back numbers.
David Crosby was right JFK. 3 men killed him. there was a conspiracy. many people wanted JFK killed. and they won. and now YOU! live in a world like this. open your eyes and eake a good look around.
@imthefrogman Testing has proven ONE gun killed him. The timing was 8.3 seconds not 6 seconds as originally thought. It WAS possible OSwalds gun was the only one who hit him. They tested thris exact gun and its bullet and the bullet came out jus tas clean as the one they recovered. Doesnt mean there was not a conspiracy-but ONE gunman is now credible.
When I watched this vid I'm one way more convinced of the honesty of David Crosby, to have the guts to come out with saying he believed in a conspiracy about the assassination of JFK. He also outsings Roger who's dunned a beard, he's got rid of those stupid glasses but still has got something to hide.
what are you going to do, write a book or speak at conferences, he had his window and McGuinn was there only for the gig. We have to move on and build not kill, bomb
Oswald acted alone. However, this is YOUR country so support public health care! Don't let the crazies scare you away from doing what your country should have done fifty years ago!
@bookkeeper57 Not to be picky, but the difference between 5/17/67 and 6/17/67 is that by the later date, everyone had heard Sgt. Pepper (released 6/1/67) and that set the tone for the rest of the summer.
@xfearbeforexx if he could get his brother out of trouble dont you think he would do it this situation certainly doesnt make his brother look good if oswald was framed then why did he kill a cop after killing the president and run into the theater.
@spacepatrolman - One can but wonder if ALL of your opinions are based on what the media tells you. . . I imagine that, if CBS said that scientific methods empirically proved that Kennedy shot himself, you'd go along with that, too.
@Rknbkr12 You dont understand what happened its not the media its in the warren commision report when the byrds were cut out of this movie the promoters lied and said crosby said take acid and storm the white house you can see from these clips he didnt say that it may have been that the byrds were bigger than the mamas and the papas .
@spacepatrolman - I have been a researcher of the JFK assassination since around the time William Manchester and Mark Lane started seriously looking into it, and I can tell you without reservation that the Warren Report stands proudly beside the Patriot Act as two of the most ridiculous, non-credible documents in American history. Whatever else Crosby was or wasn't, he was right about Oswald having nothing to do with it. All due respect.
@Rknbkr12 What are you a researcher of did you read the warren commission report? I did ,mark lane just likes to sell books he wrote another one about MLKs assasination that was wrong if oswald didnt do it then why did he kill a cop and run into a movie theater?
Crosby said what wasn't being said anywhere at that time. The media was in cahoots or completely cowed. It wasn't until Watergate, when some of the same suspects were showing-up again that I first learned the truth about the 3 major assinations. Our country is sadly, a lie.
@gittahfiend - McGuinn was right from the standpoint that Crosby should not have said what he said without prior consent of the band; as such he was representing the band irresponsibly. However, Crosby showed the courage of his convictions by risking his place in The Byrds. And The Byrds were never The Byrds after his departure. Things work out for the best because, without his departure, the world would never have been given the gift of CSN.
@Rknbkr12 I'm not so impressed with McGuinn. Crosby wears his conscience on his sleeve - would that others did. As I understand it crosby felt artistically suppressed by the band, his songs weren't published and he was marginalised. When he was free of them he surpassed them all quickly and easily, because he's such a damn good musician. McGuinn went hillbilly - not to my taste really.
@psychoprosthetic - Crosby, Clark & Hillman were ALL suppressed during The Byrds' original tenure, for the simple reason that none of them were looked upon by the industry as experienced. McGuinn, while not the writer or musician of Crosby or Clark, had a lot of time behind him, to say nothing of a couple of 'names.' By the way, have you had the pleasure of hearing Hillman sing? He was better than all of them put together - but. . . it wasn't 'his' band.
@Rknbkr12 No, I haven't heard Hillman. I'm in love with Crosby's vocal chords so I may not agree, but I'll keep my ears open for him. Agree with you about Clark, fab songwriter and moving singer. But I thought he had more sungs published than Crosby when they were together. You must be right aboutt he industry's influence, makes sense, and they would have hated songs like Triad.
@psychoprosthetic what crosby did after the byrds was good but i wouldnt say it was better than the byrds with clarence white they through crosby out of the byrds because he was a drug ball .
@spacepatrolman I guess it's a taste thing. Post Crosby Byrds hardly ever scratched my aesthetic, while Crosby has the voice of an angel, if a sometimes rather high one, and I love his vague floaty thought-provoking songs. He was certainly a druggie, but did well with Nash. I suspect it still comes down to egos and sour grapes.
@psychoprosthetic crosby and nash did the theme from oasis and space the jacques coustaue pbs series [ an instrumental ] i keep looking for that when crosby was on the mike douglas show with charles bronson talking about the marine mammal act bronson said do you mean walruses and crosby said hey man im not gonna mess with bronson[ but crosbys the guy with the guns]
@psychoprosthetic if you listen to lorne greens version of 16 tons he says coal miners are the tuffest bronson and jack palance were coal miners watch attack with jack palanace they ran over his arm with a tank they really did it they dug a trench in the ground put his arm in it
@psychoprosthetic Ha, ha,... funny. I grew a moustache just like that because I liked the look. The funny thing is that I still have it on my silly face. But I had and have the same high cheek boned white Cossack look, being half Russian! Back then, only "commies" looked like that!
@bookkeeper57 when the byrds went to south africa and crosby said take those apartheid signs down he was right about that and he was right about many things in his books but what he is saying here is not right [the stage hands at the fillmore east thought that crosby stills and nash were arrogent jerks and used to laugh at them ]
@spacepatrolman Hi- just to clear a point, Crosby didn't go to South Africa, he had been replaced by Gram Parsons by that time. Gram refused to go and they got a roadie called Carlos Bernal to be the "fourth Byrd" on stage. McGuinn had to sing lead and backup harmonies in "Feel a whole lot better"! I wrote an article about the SA tour for the long defunct "Zigzag" magazine.
@gibb253 thats not what crosby said in his book this doesnt sound credible a roadie is just going to stand there like a prop and mcquinn is going to sing two parts live what music school did you go to i never heard of zig zag magazine
@spacepatrolman- "ZigZag was a British rock music magazine. It was started by Pete Frame and the first edition rolled off the printing presses on 16 April 1969. The magazine was noted for its thorough interviews, well-researched articles, innovative "rock family trees" by Frame, and support for American songwriters such as Michael Nesmith, Mickey Newbury, Gene Clark, etc." (WIKIPEDIA) Final issue of "ZigZag" was January 1986.
David Crosby speaks truth to power! I'm told he didn't tell the other Byrds beforehand that he'd make these comments, catching them off-guard, as well as pissing them off. It probably got them edited out of the final cut of the film as well (are they in the movie at all? I gotta go back & watch it again). Still, it needed to be said, by somebody at some point. At the time, much of the country was (& many still are) in denial about the true circumstances of Kennedy's death.
Amen to McGuinn for speaking the truth about Crosby. Lou Adler's comment seem silly 44 years later.
rounds1954 3 months ago 3
Say what you want, but, this is when the music mattered!!
It had something to say and wasn't afraid to say it.
bigbadfitter 4 months ago 3
Extremely controversial, no doubt. However, I do not know why Rahj was being so critical of Dave. I just do not believe Crosby made those statements just to be "cool." No wonder they parted ways. What a shame.
sandinyourshoes 5 months ago
I'll third the previous comments. McGuinn was correct in his assessment of Crosby.
hopizuni 5 months ago
Crosby was all over the lot in musicianship and commentary between songs at Monterey--this one though, he was right on--the American people have the right to know what really happened with the Kennedy assassination!
1958Saturday 10 months ago
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spacepatrolman 4 days ago
@1958Saturday the Kennedy family knows what happened oswald acted alone they are lawyers if there was a government conspiracy they would have sued the government
spacepatrolman 4 days ago
Never mind the music school-I was there. I met Roger and Chris at Durban airport, interviewed them and attended the concerts. Roger actually left the stage halfway through as he was suffering from flu. Please read the Byrds on wikipedia for confirmation of all this. One of my most treasured possessions is the copy of "Younger than Yesterday" that Roger and Chris signed for me. You can also check Zigzag magazine online and buy complete sets of back numbers.
gibb253 1 year ago
IN REMEMBRANCE.....
henrypeckstv 1 year ago
Crosby was a piece of work but makes good music!
jgidd 1 year ago
the date is 6/17
DhunamiCE 1 year ago
David Crosby was right JFK. 3 men killed him. there was a conspiracy. many people wanted JFK killed. and they won. and now YOU! live in a world like this. open your eyes and eake a good look around.
imthefrogman 1 year ago
@imthefrogman Testing has proven ONE gun killed him. The timing was 8.3 seconds not 6 seconds as originally thought. It WAS possible OSwalds gun was the only one who hit him. They tested thris exact gun and its bullet and the bullet came out jus tas clean as the one they recovered. Doesnt mean there was not a conspiracy-but ONE gunman is now credible.
DavelovesRealMusic 1 year ago
@DavelovesRealMusic 2 shots were fired one missed the third supposed shot was an echo
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
When I watched this vid I'm one way more convinced of the honesty of David Crosby, to have the guts to come out with saying he believed in a conspiracy about the assassination of JFK. He also outsings Roger who's dunned a beard, he's got rid of those stupid glasses but still has got something to hide.
annabelvandasselaer 1 year ago
Kennedy committed suicide using a remote control
kenfig 1 year ago
@kenfig Hahahaha, genius!
Claudian99 1 year ago
great song
shanehenning26 1 year ago
what david said at the monterey pop festival was totally inapropriate and out of line. no wonder they fired his ass. >:(
christianphi 1 year ago
what are you going to do, write a book or speak at conferences, he had his window and McGuinn was there only for the gig. We have to move on and build not kill, bomb
chippy783 2 years ago
McGuinn said it right - Crosby was just trying to be Mr. Cool.
RTSiciliano 2 years ago 3
Oswald acted alone. However, this is YOUR country so support public health care! Don't let the crazies scare you away from doing what your country should have done fifty years ago!
tristianity4u 2 years ago
GFYS! I hope you went to school back in the old days, then you'll be able to understand! DIP SHIT
mullah06 2 years ago
The date is wrong. It was June.
NoswalEvad 2 years ago
@NoswalEvad Whenever the Monterey Pop Festival was; summer of 1967.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 Not to be picky, but the difference between 5/17/67 and 6/17/67 is that by the later date, everyone had heard Sgt. Pepper (released 6/1/67) and that set the tone for the rest of the summer.
NoswalEvad 1 year ago
So how stoned do you have to be to play a whole song out of time?
wallytarkington 2 years ago
Rolling stoned.
JanTurelur 2 years ago
Oswald shot kennedy by himself [that has been proven by scientific methods and his own brother said so ] lou adler stole sam cooks publishing .
spacepatrolman 2 years ago
roflmao well if his BROTHER said so then it MUST BE TRUE!
xfearbeforexx 2 years ago
@xfearbeforexx if he could get his brother out of trouble dont you think he would do it this situation certainly doesnt make his brother look good if oswald was framed then why did he kill a cop after killing the president and run into the theater.
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
@spacepatrolman - One can but wonder if ALL of your opinions are based on what the media tells you. . . I imagine that, if CBS said that scientific methods empirically proved that Kennedy shot himself, you'd go along with that, too.
Rknbkr12 1 year ago
@Rknbkr12 You dont understand what happened its not the media its in the warren commision report when the byrds were cut out of this movie the promoters lied and said crosby said take acid and storm the white house you can see from these clips he didnt say that it may have been that the byrds were bigger than the mamas and the papas .
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
@spacepatrolman - I have been a researcher of the JFK assassination since around the time William Manchester and Mark Lane started seriously looking into it, and I can tell you without reservation that the Warren Report stands proudly beside the Patriot Act as two of the most ridiculous, non-credible documents in American history. Whatever else Crosby was or wasn't, he was right about Oswald having nothing to do with it. All due respect.
Rknbkr12 1 year ago
@Rknbkr12 What are you a researcher of did you read the warren commission report? I did ,mark lane just likes to sell books he wrote another one about MLKs assasination that was wrong if oswald didnt do it then why did he kill a cop and run into a movie theater?
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
Crosby said what wasn't being said anywhere at that time. The media was in cahoots or completely cowed. It wasn't until Watergate, when some of the same suspects were showing-up again that I first learned the truth about the 3 major assinations. Our country is sadly, a lie.
PsyD1990 2 years ago
Go Fuck Yerself DIPSHIT
mullah06 2 years ago
I agree with Mr. Crosby.
mdpk1 2 years ago
I agree, fuck them. He said what needed to be said, and probably took a lot of balls to say something like that back then.
mharris0585 2 years ago 2
Roger Mc guinn was absolutely right!
gittahfiend 2 years ago 10
@gittahfiend Nope, he was wrong!
annabelvandasselaer 1 year ago
@annabelvandasselaer to each his own.
gittahfiend 1 year ago
@gittahfiend - McGuinn was right from the standpoint that Crosby should not have said what he said without prior consent of the band; as such he was representing the band irresponsibly. However, Crosby showed the courage of his convictions by risking his place in The Byrds. And The Byrds were never The Byrds after his departure. Things work out for the best because, without his departure, the world would never have been given the gift of CSN.
Rknbkr12 1 year ago
@Rknbkr12 I'm not so impressed with McGuinn. Crosby wears his conscience on his sleeve - would that others did. As I understand it crosby felt artistically suppressed by the band, his songs weren't published and he was marginalised. When he was free of them he surpassed them all quickly and easily, because he's such a damn good musician. McGuinn went hillbilly - not to my taste really.
psychoprosthetic 1 year ago
@psychoprosthetic - Crosby, Clark & Hillman were ALL suppressed during The Byrds' original tenure, for the simple reason that none of them were looked upon by the industry as experienced. McGuinn, while not the writer or musician of Crosby or Clark, had a lot of time behind him, to say nothing of a couple of 'names.' By the way, have you had the pleasure of hearing Hillman sing? He was better than all of them put together - but. . . it wasn't 'his' band.
Rknbkr12 1 year ago
@Rknbkr12 No, I haven't heard Hillman. I'm in love with Crosby's vocal chords so I may not agree, but I'll keep my ears open for him. Agree with you about Clark, fab songwriter and moving singer. But I thought he had more sungs published than Crosby when they were together. You must be right aboutt he industry's influence, makes sense, and they would have hated songs like Triad.
psychoprosthetic 1 year ago
@psychoprosthetic - Nay I suggest you give the song "Time Between" a listen.
Rknbkr12 1 year ago
@Rknbkr12 Thanks for the tip. Always good to hear new stuff - even if it is old "new stuff" I really *should* have listened to already.
Ta : )
psychoprosthetic 1 year ago
@psychoprosthetic what crosby did after the byrds was good but i wouldnt say it was better than the byrds with clarence white they through crosby out of the byrds because he was a drug ball .
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
@spacepatrolman I guess it's a taste thing. Post Crosby Byrds hardly ever scratched my aesthetic, while Crosby has the voice of an angel, if a sometimes rather high one, and I love his vague floaty thought-provoking songs. He was certainly a druggie, but did well with Nash. I suspect it still comes down to egos and sour grapes.
psychoprosthetic 1 year ago
@psychoprosthetic crosby and nash did the theme from oasis and space the jacques coustaue pbs series [ an instrumental ] i keep looking for that when crosby was on the mike douglas show with charles bronson talking about the marine mammal act bronson said do you mean walruses and crosby said hey man im not gonna mess with bronson[ but crosbys the guy with the guns]
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
@spacepatrolman I wouldn't mess with Bronson either guns or not. He had a meaner moustache than Crosby.
psychoprosthetic 1 year ago
@psychoprosthetic if you listen to lorne greens version of 16 tons he says coal miners are the tuffest bronson and jack palance were coal miners watch attack with jack palanace they ran over his arm with a tank they really did it they dug a trench in the ground put his arm in it
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
@psychoprosthetic Ha, ha,... funny. I grew a moustache just like that because I liked the look. The funny thing is that I still have it on my silly face. But I had and have the same high cheek boned white Cossack look, being half Russian! Back then, only "commies" looked like that!
deaddoc 10 months ago
Hey Bent slightly
the guy who is criticizing Crosby is actually Roger McGuinn. Its not Henley. You`ve got the wrong man.
I also dont think Roger is being a neo-con, just having a personal shot at Crosby for saying what everyone knew, I guess.
cheers
hoppa1979 3 years ago
Right: Crosby liked the spotlight, and was a conscientious dissident for the sheer hell of it, but what he said was correct.
bookkeeper57 2 years ago 12
@bookkeeper57 when the byrds went to south africa and crosby said take those apartheid signs down he was right about that and he was right about many things in his books but what he is saying here is not right [the stage hands at the fillmore east thought that crosby stills and nash were arrogent jerks and used to laugh at them ]
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
@spacepatrolman Hi- just to clear a point, Crosby didn't go to South Africa, he had been replaced by Gram Parsons by that time. Gram refused to go and they got a roadie called Carlos Bernal to be the "fourth Byrd" on stage. McGuinn had to sing lead and backup harmonies in "Feel a whole lot better"! I wrote an article about the SA tour for the long defunct "Zigzag" magazine.
gibb253 1 year ago
@gibb253 thats not what crosby said in his book this doesnt sound credible a roadie is just going to stand there like a prop and mcquinn is going to sing two parts live what music school did you go to i never heard of zig zag magazine
spacepatrolman 1 year ago
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rwells47 5 days ago
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@spacepatrolman- "ZigZag was a British rock music magazine. It was started by Pete Frame and the first edition rolled off the printing presses on 16 April 1969. The magazine was noted for its thorough interviews, well-researched articles, innovative "rock family trees" by Frame, and support for American songwriters such as Michael Nesmith, Mickey Newbury, Gene Clark, etc." (WIKIPEDIA) Final issue of "ZigZag" was January 1986.
rwells47 5 days ago
@rwells47 I knew that pete frame did rock family trees i didnt know he had a magazine
spacepatrolman 4 days ago
David Crosby speaks truth to power! I'm told he didn't tell the other Byrds beforehand that he'd make these comments, catching them off-guard, as well as pissing them off. It probably got them edited out of the final cut of the film as well (are they in the movie at all? I gotta go back & watch it again). Still, it needed to be said, by somebody at some point. At the time, much of the country was (& many still are) in denial about the true circumstances of Kennedy's death.
dmynott 3 years ago
couldn't of said it better
nrasacone 3 years ago
Fuck you Don Henley you fucking neo-con shit brain.
BentSlightly 3 years ago