It is a nice movie. Yeah.. yeah.. it has action. It has some decent acting of these well not A-actors. But neither Z-actors. It is all there... it is nice. Not to mention :) They don't show the monster that much.
And dose eny one no the name of that alien movie were there working on an asteroid wat's heading for earth. they whent to mine it then destroy it but in mining it they found a metal box in the center of the asteroid and inside the box they found dead human remains and wierd writting on the walls and also on the walls they found a fossil of a giant alien wat came back to life because it was exposed to air dose eny one no the name if so can u tell me please thank's.
Even though the book is far superior to the movie, the movie is still enjoyable to watch. I do agree with the comments about the character Pendergast missing from the film. I was sorely disappointed that he was omitted from the script. I had even wondered what actor would be chosen to play the part. I see it as a missed opportunity on the part of the studio heads to have a successful film series featuring the character.
I was looking for movie which i saw at tv, unfortunately last part, dont know the name.Thought that was Mimic 3 but as it turned out not to.So what i saw there was
super organism down in the sewers under small american town he somehow control people, or he consum them and then evoked their images.Few scientis or what, were at the end in some fancy techologic van, full of computers and stuff. and they trick that being with some psychologilac trap.they force his to appear at street.NAME OF FILM?
what about the predator the monster and movie was great and i like him more than the alien and king kong but less godzilla could u do a review on predator 1, 2 or 3 like them thats how big a pedator fan i am
P.S. i made this comment after seeing your review of the relic
Oh yeah, I forgot, in the book his name is not Kothaga (that IS how it's spelled). That is the name of the lost tribe. The monster is called Mbwun, a satan-like lizard god.
I'm reading the book right now. It says right on the cover "Better than Crichton's Jurassic Park" -some magazine that I don't remember the name of. I need to see the movie!!!
"Cathoga" is Mbwun? The book was absolutely amazing. A total thrill ride. The movie... not so much. In typical Hollywood fashion they destroyed the book to the point that no future Aloysius X. L. Pendergast movies will ever be made. And that is the real crime of this Hollywood sin.
I finished the book less than an hour ago and heard there was a movie about it 10 minutes ago. I freaked out and looked for reviews.
I am SUPER disappointed. Relic was amazing - Pendergast and Smithback were two of the most perfect characters and aren't even in the movie. Mbwun named Kathoga? That is the name of the TRIBE, you idiot director. And also, they did a great job of ruining the plot twist at the end of the book. What a horrible representation of an amazing book.
The only reason why I really don't like this movie is because they completely left Pendergast out of it.. I've read every book in the series and this book was my favorite but Pendergast, I think, is the heart of it and without him.. the movie isn't good
I agree. This movie definitely got overlooked. It had great use of light, an orignal monster that was designed by the same guy who created predator and aliens. It really deserves more credit
The movie was overlooked because in comparison to the novel, it sucked. They made many large changes such as (and horrifically) cutting out Special Agent Aloysius Pendergast and William Smithback, Jr. If you watched it first, it was a pretty good movie, but if you're like me and loved the book, you'll hate the movie.
I missed Pendergast and Smithback in the movie too!
What i also didnt like was the monsters design and name: in the book it was called Mbwun and well it´s look...sure it´s badass,but not like its said in the book,and if i imagine how it looks like in the book,i like the books version better.
Read the book first before you waste your time with this sad excuse of a movie. The first chapter will have you on the edge of your seat; wanting to read faster and faster... brilliant writing. But as the norm; Hollywood jacks up another great scifi/suspense with cheap theatrics and really bad acting. The Mbwun is human/lizard... since when would that combination looks like a large ant lion with the face of "Predator"?
Is Agent Pendergast in this film? IMO he is what makes the Preston/Child books so good. The only character I like better is his evil brother Diogenes.
@Manticon5 ...um no it came out in June, 1993. I'll make this simple, type "Jurassic Park" into a Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc. search engine. Some of your top results will likely include Wikipedia, IMDB, as well as many others. All of them will say, "Jurassic Park (1993)" or something to that effect because the film did, in fact, come out in 1993. You can also go to Oscars.org, if you don't find the previous sites credible. The results will be the same, because it came out on June 11, 1993!
@Manticon5 No it was '93. I recall that distinctly because it was the only time in my life where my folks actually pulled me out of school early to go see a movie!
Yes, Kathoga was really a beast, his relentless killing and charging was classic. But in the late 70's (79) there was a monster bear called "Katahdin" that was as vicious as this monster in the movie "Prophecy".
I loved The Relic movie and the book, even though the movie is about 90% close to the book. And I have to add to this question: Where the f+++k is Pendergast? He's like a modern day Sherlock Holmes- educated and suave. If you want more Pendergast read the sequel to 'The Relic" entitled "Reliquary". And in the sequel, you won't believe who the evil guy turns out to be! And no, for those who read the book, it is not the scientist whom is mentioned in the epilogue.
I agree with the reviewer. I don't understand why it's so underrated, I saw the movie before I read the book so there's definitely something good about the movie that draws you in: atmosphere, monster & music. Actually it's better than your usual B flick, as it provides more logical explanation to Monster's existence, unlike other movies, and does a good job of creating suspense. Albeit, I wish they had kept the character of Pendergast like in the original script.
I just recently watched "The Relic" and I had Ben Stiller and "A night at the museum" in the back of my head the whole time watching ;) The mauling and decaputations didn't really help ;)
The book is far much better and she wasn't into evolution rather she was an anthropologist, specialized in ethnopharmacology. This movie didn't do very much justice to the book, it was so- so.
It seems like every good movie and game gets overlooked, while something lesser gets praised. That stinks, but I wanna see this movie! SOOOOOOOO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tom sizemore has been nominated for Golden Globes, played leading roles in Black Hawk Down and Saving Private Ryan, and that isnt and A list actor?? penelope ann miller and james whitemore arent unheard of either, and the guy that did the music did the music for the passion of christ, Stan winston did the creature aswell, I mean, stan winston is one of the biggest special effects names in hollywood (RIP), the films budget was $70,000,000 and it made $34,000,000 at the box office, not a b movie
no, Tom sizemore has been nominated for Golden Globes, played leading roles in Black Hawk Down and Saving Private Ryan, and that isnt and A list actor?? ponelope ann miller and james whitemore arent exactly unheard of either, and the guy that did the music also did the music for the passion of christ, Stan winston did the creature aswell, I mean, stan winston is one of the biggest special effects names in hollywood (RIP), the films budget was $70,000,000 and it made $34,000,000 at the box office
oh, and some more reasons why this isnt a b-movie, b-movies arent even released in cinema nowadys, and b-movies credits last for 1-2 mins, the Relics credits last for 6 mins
@SWAGshow I think It's not, and A movie doesn't mean it has famous actors or famous producers or directors, It just means It has a very goo production and directing and story, and this movie has them all. I think this movie kicked asses when it came out.
@ThatKidJoel The "B" in B-movie doesn't necessarily stand for "BAD." I think that's the way you took it. SwagShow is correct in his assessment: The Relic is a b-flick, and a glorious one at that. :-D
I love this movie, I saw it when I was 9 and it scared me, but I loved it, I got it on DVD as soon as I could, so underrated, deserves more credit, great script, belivible acting, great special effects
I saw it and thought it was decent... not rly great in my opinion but it wasnt bad either, you should at least rent it as I did but I dont know if its worth bying.
If I remember correctly, this movie was released a little less then a month after Scream so I think that might have been the reason it got overlooked. I don't know why, though. Relic was all kinds of awesome. Excellent review and now, if you excuse me, I must go buy and add this movie to my collection.
Well when I was 12, this movie was fucking bad ass!!
TheMoshmanPROPHECY 1 month ago
I guess I gotta read the book now. The movie was really good though.
bayee144 1 month ago
I was 8 when I first saw this. I'm 21 now. This is the only horror/monster movie to freaking terrify the life out of me to this day. Book was better.
hajitwoface 1 month ago
This review lost all credibility the moment I heard 1995 as Jurassic Park's release. Shame on you.
hajitwoface 1 month ago
Wanna know why the monster in this movie is SOOOOOOOO BADASS!!!?? Simply because of Stan Winston...
TF2engineer4life 2 months ago
They butchered the story for the movie :| The Kathoga was the tribe and Mbwun was the beast being the major fuck up...
winkydinkable 2 months ago
Cathoga VS. King Kong!
tthomaselli2 4 months ago
It is a nice movie. Yeah.. yeah.. it has action. It has some decent acting of these well not A-actors. But neither Z-actors. It is all there... it is nice. Not to mention :) They don't show the monster that much.
masticina 4 months ago
The book is better
chuckyn100 5 months ago
And dose eny one no the name of that alien movie were there working on an asteroid wat's heading for earth. they whent to mine it then destroy it but in mining it they found a metal box in the center of the asteroid and inside the box they found dead human remains and wierd writting on the walls and also on the walls they found a fossil of a giant alien wat came back to life because it was exposed to air dose eny one no the name if so can u tell me please thank's.
trex12evangelion 5 months ago
This movie is in't old it was only out in the 90.s and i heard there was going to be a number two eny info on that thanks.
trex12evangelion 5 months ago
good review i read the book and i was let down by the movie as usual. they should have showed more of the beast.
TheStax5150 6 months ago
gotta love teh kothoga
happymonkeyfish 7 months ago
The book was amazing, and the movie lived up to expectations from the book!!! 5 stars!!!
KingofKrash77 8 months ago
Even though the book is far superior to the movie, the movie is still enjoyable to watch. I do agree with the comments about the character Pendergast missing from the film. I was sorely disappointed that he was omitted from the script. I had even wondered what actor would be chosen to play the part. I see it as a missed opportunity on the part of the studio heads to have a successful film series featuring the character.
Centaurmaiden 8 months ago
@Centaurmaiden Yeah, I think that Cabinet of Curiosities would make a GREAT movie.
TKDLION 7 months ago
I was looking for movie which i saw at tv, unfortunately last part, dont know the name.Thought that was Mimic 3 but as it turned out not to.So what i saw there was
super organism down in the sewers under small american town he somehow control people, or he consum them and then evoked their images.Few scientis or what, were at the end in some fancy techologic van, full of computers and stuff. and they trick that being with some psychologilac trap.they force his to appear at street.NAME OF FILM?
6Bene 8 months ago
@6Bene I think u mean phantoms with ben afflec.
trex12evangelion 5 months ago
@trex12evangelion
yes, i watch it already, thanks anyway
6Bene 5 months ago
what about the predator the monster and movie was great and i like him more than the alien and king kong but less godzilla could u do a review on predator 1, 2 or 3 like them thats how big a pedator fan i am
P.S. i made this comment after seeing your review of the relic
TSAyers1 8 months ago
1993
sallysax 9 months ago
Oh yeah, I forgot, in the book his name is not Kothaga (that IS how it's spelled). That is the name of the lost tribe. The monster is called Mbwun, a satan-like lizard god.
RosekillProductions 9 months ago
the book is very good Mbwun means ''he who walks on all fours".
Kothoga is the name of the tribe
brimmortal 9 months ago
I'm reading the book right now. It says right on the cover "Better than Crichton's Jurassic Park" -some magazine that I don't remember the name of. I need to see the movie!!!
RosekillProductions 9 months ago
"Cathoga" is Mbwun? The book was absolutely amazing. A total thrill ride. The movie... not so much. In typical Hollywood fashion they destroyed the book to the point that no future Aloysius X. L. Pendergast movies will ever be made. And that is the real crime of this Hollywood sin.
Neuwo 1 year ago
"Cathoga is a bad-ass!".; I said the same thing when I first saw this movie.
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 3
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tthomaselli2 1 year ago
I finished the book less than an hour ago and heard there was a movie about it 10 minutes ago. I freaked out and looked for reviews.
I am SUPER disappointed. Relic was amazing - Pendergast and Smithback were two of the most perfect characters and aren't even in the movie. Mbwun named Kathoga? That is the name of the TRIBE, you idiot director. And also, they did a great job of ruining the plot twist at the end of the book. What a horrible representation of an amazing book.
Mirokiki 1 year ago
i know Right
what happened to Pendergast taking out Mbwun with his 45. with a eye shot while Margo confused him with a flash light
brimmortal 9 months ago
The only reason why I really don't like this movie is because they completely left Pendergast out of it.. I've read every book in the series and this book was my favorite but Pendergast, I think, is the heart of it and without him.. the movie isn't good
ShadyDane94 1 year ago
I agree. This movie definitely got overlooked. It had great use of light, an orignal monster that was designed by the same guy who created predator and aliens. It really deserves more credit
SoulessKing 1 year ago
The movie was overlooked because in comparison to the novel, it sucked. They made many large changes such as (and horrifically) cutting out Special Agent Aloysius Pendergast and William Smithback, Jr. If you watched it first, it was a pretty good movie, but if you're like me and loved the book, you'll hate the movie.
GDG4ever 1 year ago
@GDG4ever
I missed Pendergast and Smithback in the movie too!
What i also didnt like was the monsters design and name: in the book it was called Mbwun and well it´s look...sure it´s badass,but not like its said in the book,and if i imagine how it looks like in the book,i like the books version better.
AkurokuX3 1 year ago
No Pendergast?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AwsomeWeasel 1 year ago
I remember when i was 7 i was scared of this movie and then i loved it and i watch it like 10 times.
Fatzombie1980 1 year ago
Read the book first before you waste your time with this sad excuse of a movie. The first chapter will have you on the edge of your seat; wanting to read faster and faster... brilliant writing. But as the norm; Hollywood jacks up another great scifi/suspense with cheap theatrics and really bad acting. The Mbwun is human/lizard... since when would that combination looks like a large ant lion with the face of "Predator"?
MsCMT71 1 year ago
Is Agent Pendergast in this film? IMO he is what makes the Preston/Child books so good. The only character I like better is his evil brother Diogenes.
deutschschoen 1 year ago
I found this NOT SCARY and BORING.
Buckeyecat2002 1 year ago
so many overlooked good movies
i'm always in the mood for some gory horror movies :D
Animerulez92 1 year ago
this movie was awesome... I loved it xD
Duirgurth 1 year ago
Despite the book is far superior, this is actually a GOOD MOVIE!! It just scared the shit out of me
alcibiade666 1 year ago
I saw The Relic when i was five! That movie is my favourite Sci-fi and will always be! I know all the lines by heart.
DarkAbsol8811 1 year ago
@DarkAbsol8811 dude same. Read the book. its damn good.
babaoriley8 1 year ago
@babaoriley8 I read it. It was awesome too!
DarkAbsol8811 1 year ago
kathoga reminds me of one of the monsters from resident evil 4....the right hand thta u fight down in the sub leve sewers
sinsukiller 2 years ago
the relic the movie is the scariest monster movie ive ever seen, and ive seen ALOT.
FortuneNeko 2 years ago
@FortuneNeko ahhh hello silent hill beats em all no doubt
riff287 1 year ago
@FortuneNeko ahhh hello silent hill beats em all no doubt
riff287 1 year ago
The book was fantastic. This movie wasn't unfortunately.
Locizzz 2 years ago 2
Actually, the monster itself was called Mbwun in the book, and the tribe it protected was called Kothoga.
And John Whitney is actually John Whittlesey.
I loved the book, but I was really disappointed when I saw the movie... :C
The main character, Pendergast, isn't even mentioned in the movie !
There are a lot of mistakes in the movie, but it was good one.
SakuraSess 2 years ago
Ah thankyou. This is an absolutley Epic movie. Still one of the best horror/monster flicks ever made.
EddieZ999 2 years ago 2
Jurassic Park came out in 1993. This guy has some incorrect information.
jg2904 2 years ago 8
@jg2904 yeah he lost all credibility right there
submitswfa 1 year ago
@jg2904 ...um no it came out 1995... don't know where you got 1993
Manticon5 1 year ago
@Manticon5 ...um no it came out in June, 1993. I'll make this simple, type "Jurassic Park" into a Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc. search engine. Some of your top results will likely include Wikipedia, IMDB, as well as many others. All of them will say, "Jurassic Park (1993)" or something to that effect because the film did, in fact, come out in 1993. You can also go to Oscars.org, if you don't find the previous sites credible. The results will be the same, because it came out on June 11, 1993!
jg2904 1 year ago
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TheVaultMaster 1 year ago
@Manticon5 No it was '93. I recall that distinctly because it was the only time in my life where my folks actually pulled me out of school early to go see a movie!
TheVaultMaster 1 year ago
@jg2904 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ILUVHIPHOP87 1 year ago
Nice review
men
thanks!
=)
DIZTOMAK 2 years ago
Yes, Kathoga was really a beast, his relentless killing and charging was classic. But in the late 70's (79) there was a monster bear called "Katahdin" that was as vicious as this monster in the movie "Prophecy".
KeemLegendPA 2 years ago
awesome review! i'm trying to finish the book before seeing the movie.
penelo1185 2 years ago
this is one of the scariest monsters iv seen even thoe it is kinda old
squizzzzzzbut3 2 years ago 5
yo this ugly ass lookin creature scared the shit out of me. still till this day it scares me.
mrlaidback22 2 years ago 2
Kathoga is a BEAST! definately one of Stan Winston's best monsters.
Hickadooola 2 years ago
Agreed.
thegrimyeaper 2 years ago
I loved The Relic movie and the book, even though the movie is about 90% close to the book. And I have to add to this question: Where the f+++k is Pendergast? He's like a modern day Sherlock Holmes- educated and suave. If you want more Pendergast read the sequel to 'The Relic" entitled "Reliquary". And in the sequel, you won't believe who the evil guy turns out to be! And no, for those who read the book, it is not the scientist whom is mentioned in the epilogue.
TheJokerzGirl 2 years ago
I agree with the reviewer. I don't understand why it's so underrated, I saw the movie before I read the book so there's definitely something good about the movie that draws you in: atmosphere, monster & music. Actually it's better than your usual B flick, as it provides more logical explanation to Monster's existence, unlike other movies, and does a good job of creating suspense. Albeit, I wish they had kept the character of Pendergast like in the original script.
TheSpoofMan3 2 years ago
well, and where is Pendergast????
klarkasem 2 years ago
Jurassic Park actually came out in 1993
ryan489 2 years ago 3
wasnt the first killing in the book two young boys
dbucky616 2 years ago
@dbucky616 : Yes... bet that would have went over like a iron balloon. Even though AVPR involved pregnant women and children; go figure.
MsCMT71 1 year ago
I just recently watched "The Relic" and I had Ben Stiller and "A night at the museum" in the back of my head the whole time watching ;) The mauling and decaputations didn't really help ;)
Wowbagger86 2 years ago
The book is far much better and she wasn't into evolution rather she was an anthropologist, specialized in ethnopharmacology. This movie didn't do very much justice to the book, it was so- so.
Zsazsa96 2 years ago 3
I totally agree, and they also left one of my favorite characters (Pendergast) out of the movie as well.
aforce82 2 years ago
Love Pendergast handsome, well dressed and intelligent. Not to mention the other main character!
Zsazsa96 2 years ago
but definetly watchable
ducking0101 3 years ago
the movie is so dark, the monster scenes are not shown too well
ducking0101 3 years ago
It seems like every good movie and game gets overlooked, while something lesser gets praised. That stinks, but I wanna see this movie! SOOOOOOOO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
smartlamppost 3 years ago
Tom sizemore has been nominated for Golden Globes, played leading roles in Black Hawk Down and Saving Private Ryan, and that isnt and A list actor?? penelope ann miller and james whitemore arent unheard of either, and the guy that did the music did the music for the passion of christ, Stan winston did the creature aswell, I mean, stan winston is one of the biggest special effects names in hollywood (RIP), the films budget was $70,000,000 and it made $34,000,000 at the box office, not a b movie
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
This film is awesome, it was actually scary in some bits!
Starfyre87 3 years ago 2
MIMIC with Jeremy Northam
PlanBModels 3 years ago
IT IS NOT A FUCKING B-MOVIE!!!!
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
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There are no A-list celebrities or directors and the movie had only a modest advertising budget. It's a B movie.
SWAGshow 3 years ago
erm, STAN WINSTON studios did the kothoga, and tom sizemore is pretty famous, and it had a HUGE budget
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
no, Tom sizemore has been nominated for Golden Globes, played leading roles in Black Hawk Down and Saving Private Ryan, and that isnt and A list actor?? ponelope ann miller and james whitemore arent exactly unheard of either, and the guy that did the music also did the music for the passion of christ, Stan winston did the creature aswell, I mean, stan winston is one of the biggest special effects names in hollywood (RIP), the films budget was $70,000,000 and it made $34,000,000 at the box office
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
oh, and some more reasons why this isnt a b-movie, b-movies arent even released in cinema nowadys, and b-movies credits last for 1-2 mins, the Relics credits last for 6 mins
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
@SWAGshow Nah, it's not a B movie, broseph!
UltimateBeastMachine 1 year ago
@SWAGshow I think It's not, and A movie doesn't mean it has famous actors or famous producers or directors, It just means It has a very goo production and directing and story, and this movie has them all. I think this movie kicked asses when it came out.
SergioWW1WW2 1 year ago
@ThatKidJoel The "B" in B-movie doesn't necessarily stand for "BAD." I think that's the way you took it. SwagShow is correct in his assessment: The Relic is a b-flick, and a glorious one at that. :-D
TheVaultMaster 1 year ago
I love this movie, I saw it when I was 9 and it scared me, but I loved it, I got it on DVD as soon as I could, so underrated, deserves more credit, great script, belivible acting, great special effects
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
thanks man might go buy/rent this next time i go out. :)
Yurules 3 years ago
I have that movie and I liked it. Have to watch it again sometimes... =)
ShiranuiFighter 3 years ago
know if it's on DVD???? god this movie rocked!!! don't remember seeing the creature actually grabing the guys leg though. kick ass none the less.
ToshitheWolf 3 years ago
yes its on dvd
ThatKidJoel 3 years ago
I want to purchase this movie again. I remember enjoying my first viewing of it.
One thing i remember is that this movie is heavily shadow lighted. You need night vision to watch this movie. lol
That's not a complaint by the way. It really added to the movie.
Great review.
BioBoosterGuyver 3 years ago
lol this is neato review =D
KissMyBlade 3 years ago
great movie
alfenlied 3 years ago 2
Watched it, loved it !
guilortha 3 years ago
Cool :D
SWAGshow 3 years ago
@guilortha that means u did'nt read the book noob, Pendergast is not in the film is like harry potter without harry potter
BrianUndercover 8 months ago
I haven't seen the movie yet so I don't know if it's worth watching or not but the book was awesome.
Centaurmaiden 3 years ago
lool ur 30reviews in 30dayz is going on at the same time as cinemassa's godzilla-thon.. its weird that both review featured godzilla??
magicishaq 3 years ago
alright,sounds frigging awesome!:D
and as ussual,i want the name of the song at the start lolz xD
olegros 3 years ago
Blood Stained by Judas Priest
SWAGshow 3 years ago
I saw it and thought it was decent... not rly great in my opinion but it wasnt bad either, you should at least rent it as I did but I dont know if its worth bying.
jkgatling 3 years ago
heard of it, will cheack it out, as im loving the tick lol
naraicks 3 years ago
chido
elrocker18 3 years ago
i remember this, this sure is a cool movie..
thanks for the reminder!
lozanozl 3 years ago
If I remember correctly, this movie was released a little less then a month after Scream so I think that might have been the reason it got overlooked. I don't know why, though. Relic was all kinds of awesome. Excellent review and now, if you excuse me, I must go buy and add this movie to my collection.
Psyn070 3 years ago
JP came out in 1993, actually.
noqa 3 years ago
Relic now placed on my check list of movies on net fliks i must watch.
StressedoutGamer 3 years ago
I heard about this movie but never saw it, I will definetly check it out now.
wesleyfilms 3 years ago
Sounds interesting... I might check the movie out. Are you planning to do a review on Megaman 9 as it came out today?
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rembert01 3 years ago
HMMmm Interesting. Will check this out. GReat reviews BTW.
cripplehawk 3 years ago