top 10 execution countries: China, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, USA, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, Bangladesh, Somalia. I'm just thankful I don't live in any of these backward countries.
The "funny" thing is that being killed is not in itself (whatever the method) considered as "crual" in the USA...So killing is not crual! Cool to know!
Respond to this video... Yesterday a likely innocent man was executed by the state of Georgia. Once a person is convicted, the burden of "proof" shifts from the state to the defendant, and appeals cannot present new evidence. They can only try to prove that the original trial was deficient in some way. Troy Davis' lawyers were unable to do that. He was killed because being correct was more important to the SCOTUS than being right. To the court, life is less important than procedure.
there's far too many people on this planet and the planet DOES NOT NEED evil human beings, Lets get rid of them, hanging is cruel ? let cruel people be cruelly despatched by a cruel method.
@FlyingFox1971 A few years ago I would have agreed with you. But I have come to believe that all state killing is wrong. It could only be justified if you could prove that there would NEVER be an innocent person executed. But we know that many have been, and will continue to be, as long as the death penalty exists. That is my primary reason for objecting to it.
@Largo64 there are approximately 800 murders in the UK each year, Did these people deserve to have their lives taken from them ? Do their killers desrve to be walking free after 5 years in some cases ?
@FlyingFox1971 Do you think the number of murders would be fewer if you had the death penalty in the UK? There is no evidence to support that idea. Capital punishment is not a deterrent to capital crime because those who commit crimes of passion don't consider consequences and those who actually plan to do murder don't expect to be caught. Capital punishment is nothing more than murder by the state. And sometimes the state gets the wrong guy. What if that wrong guy were you?
@Largo64 Yeah if you're innocent you're screwed, but it cost more to keep them for life than kill them :)
I saw your deleted video, but I did some research on the state of texas's death penalty. Hanging isn't cruel unless its too low, we use the long drop they get decapitated from too much pressure, so it is unusual. And if they used more harmful or executions that cause more pain, crime rates may decrease more quickly. The electric chair is not cruel whatsoever in my belief but it is unusual.
@GuyofHimLand Your belief that execution costs less than lifetime incarceration is simply wrong. In California the death penalty is likely to come on the ballot again because the cost of executing prisoners is so much MORE than keeping them for life. California, like most other states, is nearly bankrupt, and we simply can't afford state revenge anymore. Please read the rest of this comment section.
@GuyofHimLand "Yeah if you're innocent you're screwed, but it cost more to keep them for life than kill them :)"
this sentence plus even topping it off with a smiley is already fucked up. besides that, what you're saying is completely false. you would know if you didn't only listen to the republican version.
i'm pretty speechless. i just hope you and your kind become infertile soon, so the rather moderate prediction the movie "idiocracy" made won't come true or even be exceeded.
@davidhaythornthwaite I gather that you don't agree with me about the death penalty. I'm guessing that your language skills are not developed enough to actually offer an argument. Your insult and statement peg you as either very young or very uneducated . . . or both.
I do not understadn why the US still uses the death penalty when virtually all other civilised nations( the exception being Japan hvae abolished it. I just watched the movie about Albert Pierrepoint - one of the last hangsmen in the UK. It is notable he ended up an oppenent after executing over 600 people.
@brontewcat A majority of Americans still approve of the death penalty. If you ask them why they will often say that it deters violent crime. There is no convincing evidence that that is true. One reason is that a large majority of Americans (about 85% according to a recent poll) are Christians, who see in their bible that death was called for even for disobedient children. The primary method of execution then, stoning, was a community function. Americans are a "hands on" kind of people.
@Largo64 I understand the Americans are very religious but what I don't understand is why more fundamentalist Christians prioritise the Old Testament over the New. Jesus's teachings clearly modify the harshness of the Old. To continually rely on teachings in the Old that conflict with Christ's teachings to me smacks of disobedience to God. Support for the death penalty is a classic example - "let he who without sin cast the first stone" and the second of the two great commandments.
@brontewcat The "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" reference was not in the earliest known copies of the gospels. It was added much later. Jesus did not in fact modify the teachings of the old testament. He verified them. Matt. 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." "All" included the new heaven and the new earth. Not fulfilled to this day. Read your bible yourself. THEN you will know what it says.
@Largo64 I am well aware the story in John ch 8 vs1-11 was not in the earliest versions of John (ditto Mark 16 v 9-20) - all my Bibles mention this. While I do not know the Old Testament well I have read the Gospels many times over and it is clear Jesus does modify, either explicitly or implicitly, the harshest teachings of the Old Testament In the Sermon on the Mount He does so quite explicitly. Please do not assume I have not read the Bible b/c I have a different interpretation.
@Largo64 I am also aware of Lev 20 vs 9-16;Lev 21 v9; Deut 22 vs 20-29 - all make interesting reading. However, none of these punishments were being carried out in Jesus's time because the Jews themselves were modifying their harshness. Another one Deut 23 v1. I don't think the early Christian Church took the view a eunuch could not be baptised. This is why fundementalists of today, who take a literal view of the Bible when clearly Jews of Jesus's time did not, are such a puzzling lot
and, another thing : emprisonment is initially a mean to protect society, it's not meant to punish. What is done is done, and neither killing the convict, nore making him regret his act will change the situation
the fact is if you deprive someone of his freedom, he's gonna get mad but the aim is not to punish, the aim is to protect society
So at the end of the day, are you pro death penalty or against death penalty?
in my opinion, someone who did really bad things should be emprionned for a very long time, 30 or 40 years, not all his life. It would give himl time to regret his acts, to repent
Killing him do not solve the problem, and it's not a deterrent.
sorry for my poor english syntax, but I don't understand why in the US most people prefer executing a convict than give him time to redeem
@ShortGrey1 I'm against the death penalty in all its forms. To me it is nothing but revenge. Protection of the society is achieved by incarceration. It isn't necessary to kill people to demonstrate that killing is wrong.
@AndrewPPalmer I'm guessing here that you don't agree with me. It would be nice if you had the intellectual capacity to explain why, but apparently verbal abuse is all you are up to. I block trolls, and you are outta here!
Hello, Yes I understand the nature if should anyone had done a terrible crime to my loved one I would want to seek revenge for the violence caused. Unfortunately I don't believe this is justified since if you are in face with evil you cannot kill evil by doing evil. When you take a human life you are committing the same crime by killing therefore you are committing evil. This has nothing to do with correction. This is revenge. When you commit murder to a murderer you take his place.
@yOuGoTiPoDeD I agree with you. I said that I understand the desire for revenge by a family member, but that revenge by the society makes no sense to me. Punishment that does not even aim at correction is just cruelty.
@StaticJolts No. My intent here is to shine a light on the gruesome and barbaric practice of execution as it is commonly done today. I would like to see the death penalty abolished in this country, as it has been in every other civilized country. If you are into horrific methods of punishment, just study the Inquisition.
@Largo64 LOL.....I was just curious if you were going to cover all the methods of execution used in the United States from it's beginning. But now I understand the purpose of your series.
What do I Say if the Person Executed Is Later Found to be Innocent? Ooops I Did It Again! That's Why there needs to be a Sentence Of "Guilty Beyond Any Doubt" making them Eligible for the Death Penalty! As one Judge during the 1800's in the American Frontier said, & I'm para phrasing here, "I am only Imprisoning Them in a Manner that is Suitable to see that They Never Committ anymore Heinous Crimes." In other words the Grave! As You know Sociopaths do Evil & Nasty things to other Humans!
Since our civilisation already accepts euthanasia (e.g. abortion, assisted suicide, lethal injections, etc.) to get rid of unwanted individues, all reasoning about the pros and cons of death penalty are purly academic in nature. It's only a question of time, until e.g. tax crimes will cause death sentences too, like in China. Hence, we have to find cheap, safe and painless means to carry out executions. In my opinion, the electric chair and hypoxia by nitrogen satisfy these demands.
@debrainwasher Judging from your spelling of "civilization" you are from a country that already has done away with the death penalty. I hope you are wrong about its revival and greater use for more "crimes." As a humane method, I agree that hypoxia by nitrogen is the most humane, but if you see my video on the electric chair you will find some exceptions there.
@MrMegalolz666 How does this relate to justice? A crime is always unjust to the victim. That doesn't mean that official murder is anything but revenge. Justice is not what is sought by the state in a capital case. Revenge is. It does no good. There is no such thing as closure achieved by killing the killer. Ask the family of a victim if they feel closure. They may feel relief that the murderer of their loved one is dead. But closure? What do they feel if the executed turns out to be innocent?
@Largo64 I was agreeing with you, i think it is truly a wrong method of punishment, another reason is because if the victim is found innocent then death is not irreversible, prison is not.
@MrMegalolz666 Sorry. I see now that you capped the word VICTIM because I made a point of calling executed prisoners victims. Thanks for your comment.
@Largo64 Well I can't speak for myself but a guy I served with had 2 family members murdered one of which was a child. I did actually ask him if he felt closure. He hesitated for a few seconds and said "yes you know I really do" but he also said he was just glad he was dead so I would say that it is a mixed feeling for different people.
@ 4:34 You speak about South Africa, being one of the two jurisdictions in the English speaking world that use hanging. South Africa however abolished the death penalty at the end of apartheid back in the 1990's.
I do not agree with something being cruel. Convicted felons that took a life from someone else deserve the upmost punishment. Who knows how much pain that was cruel thier victims went through.
I don't agree with cruel and unusual punishments... torture for example, is usually pointless and unreliable....but hanging a criminal is not unusual...or really even cruel in my opinion. It is an ending of life....but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some creatures deserve death. But executions should be swift.
Wouldn't death by firing squad be more appropriate?
People must be held accountable for their crimes, but there should be no enjoyment over an excution, but rather an ideal punishment for the crime committed.
But to be honest, death penalty is too soft. Life in prison without parole whilst laboring a lifetime to pay every penny earned to the victim's family. That's fairer justice. Let them live out their days remembering that they now live to pay their debts back to society.
One sure thing about execution...it stops murderers from ever killing again! In certain circumstances, I agree with it. Ted Bundy, for instance, deserved exactly what he got.
This old man is such a dumb nigger lover, he doesnt know that the united states doesnt use hanging anymore they use lethal injection and the electric chair, and the chair is a secondary method. You dumb nigger loving bastard learn your history
The old man has got his facts correct, you thicko. Hanging is still prescribed as an alternative to LI in 2 states - Washington and Delaware. How come an Englishman like me knows that, but a thick american sod like you does not??
@number14ftw He's going through the HISTORY of executions in chronological order, you ridiculously moronic twat. This is the FIRST one of a SERIES. Could you BE any more of a big-mouthed idiot?
Hello, I believe I have seen all your work on execution, giving the technology we that the Police have in the 21st Century, to determine the Guilt of a suspect, don't you think, that at least some Killers should be executed. and maybe even painfully, after all, think about there victims?
@Bolder21 I would only say that, having captured and incarcerated them, society has protected itself. If you can show me how killing the killer brings back his victim, I might agree with you. I don't mean to be flippant. I used to think as you do. But killing by the state can not nullify a tragedy. It can only set the example that killing is a way to solve problems. It may feel like it temporarily, but I don't think it is in the long term.
You need an example of it's long term effectiveness?
Case in point: Ted Bundy killed anywhere from 30 to 100 people and confessed to over 20. He evaded capture for 3 years, was caught 3 times, and escaped from jail twice jut to go kill more people. He was infatuated with watching others suffer. Do you think that allowing him the opportunity to serve a life term in prison could in any way atone for what he did? Or how about the possibility of parole where he could go kill some more?
@snwboardguy04 Bundy escaped from lesser security lockups. Do you have evidence of significant numbers of escapes from places like Pelecan Bay or other maximum securituy facilities? There are lots of escapes, some merely walk-aways from minimum security. But a convict with a murder conviction doesn't walk away. Once Bundy was in max-security, he wasn't going anywhere. There was no need for the state to become a murderer of a murderer.
agreed ^^ with everything u siad in this video Largo64 ,good job there have been many people executed that have been innocent and his is disgusting and something should be done ,the gas chamber and lethal injection i think are the worst form of execution especialy the electric chair if not performed correctly :)
@Gillyyorkie I sicken you because I disagree with you? Actually, I used to be on your side of the argument. But the fact that innocent people have been executed, along with the sheer barbarity of taking the life of someone already incarcerated and controlled, made me change my mind. Killing can't get any colder than that.
@Largo64. Why do so many people have this misconception? The system of judicial hanging as practised in the UK, using variable drops, meant that the condemned's neck was dislocated & the spinal chord severed resulting in INSTANT death. Decapitations in the UK ended with James Berry in the 1880's. The charts were meant for height & weight but physical attributes (neck condition) would be accounted for at the EXECUTIONERS' discretion & the drop lengthened or, less commonly, shortened accordingly.
@368james The point is that even with the table(s), many people have slowly strangled and others have been decapitated. The discretion of the executioner is not perfect. Also in England, before the drop was adopted, people were hoisted by their necks and all struggled in agony as they slowly strangled.
In the UK, "hoisting up" went out in the middle ages, (roughly 9th Century.) Since then & up to the 1880's a short drop was employed. Since the turn of the 20th Cent. there are only 3 records of "possible" strangulation. 2 by John Ellis (neck broken also but spinal chord not severed) & one by Harry Kirk (clean execution but grunting was heard after drop. Strangulation not proven.) A Royal commission found that hanging by UK method to be most humane compared to other forms of execution worldwide.
Which is probably for the best considering the amount of "unsafe" convictions which have subsequently been overturned up to 40 years after being carried out. Although there are still debates about re-instatement (the latest was last week.) Although the European legislation on Human Rights now forbids member states from doing so.
Hanging gives the perfect balance between humane instant despatch with suitable punishment motif: five seconds of terror, no pain, instant nirvana. The secondary benefits include an easy hand gesture that can be made to anybody accused of a capital crime: fist against throat and jerk of the head.
I don't support the death penalty but hanging is the only sane method to consider: no blood, no mess (as long as women wear plastic underwear) and no spurious medicalization of the process.
Martin; only if carried out correctly, a good few hangings were botched resulting in a a slow cruel end. The point is made by the narrator. Ruth Ellis's hanging was very nearly so.
A proper drop hanging is very efficient. The skilled hangman would enter the condemned man's cell at the stroke of the appointed hour, the condemned man would be bound, hooded, the noose pulled over the head and secured against the jaw and the trapdoor opened in about the time it has taken you to read the description of the process. The condemned man would be dead instantly. If there was a clock within earshot the condemned man would not hear the fourth chime of the hour.
Largo, this is the problem as you righty point out; following the correct methods did and does not always mean an instaneous death. This along with a number of other factors was never disclosed by the authorities.
@bullfrog11758 This is true IF the rope is just the right length, the drop is not too long or too short, the person's neck is not too muscular, or any of many other variables. The charts used only account for weight and height. Some individuals strangle slowly and in great agony. Some are decapitated. Only the lucky ones are killed quickly.
@wardenphil I said the same thing, and not all that long ago. But I have changed my mind. Punishment that can reform may have a place, but punishment for its own sake is merely cruelty. Today's execution in Virginia solved nothing. It certainly did not right any wrongs.
I think that my question is pretty simple and to the point. I asked your opinion on abortion. Your avoidance of providing an answer is all that I needed.
It's off topic. I think a woman has the right to have an abortion if she wants one. There are both good and bad reasons for abortion, but I don't see abortion as murder. If you want any more detail than that, as I said, make a video. It is clear from your question that you think abortion is the same as executing a person. I think you are wrong.
With your answer to wkbrummer, you are in no position to judge me - you will fight to prevent the execution of vicious murders, but not fight for the right of unborn children to be born. The difference - the child never got his or her day in court.
@wardenphil We see a fetus differently. With the anti-abortion people you insist on calling a fetus a "child." I would say a child is a born person who is independent of any host. Before it has drawn the "breath of life" a fetus is not a person. Even the law doesn't call an abortion murder unless there is evidence that the fetus/baby has taken one breath.
Who is "we"? What do you think about Partial Birth Abortion, where great lengths are taken to prevent that first breath? Your distictinction is legal not medical. Please don't go there - how many times has the U.S. Supreme Court issued rulings which different justices overturned years later? How about the Dred Scott Ruling that slaves were not citizens? How about Plessey vs Furgerson, which upheld racial segregation? No Sir, you are wrong.
@wardenphil "We" refers to pro choice people. Please, though, refrain from any further comments here on this subject. I said before, the topic of this video is the death penalty. You would like to relate the two but yours is a different topic. Make your own video on abortion if you want to. but please stop hijacking mine.
Hanging in its proper application is almost always painless. Just as a person in coma can be effortlessly suffocated by pillow, so in a similar state; a convict will suffocate at the end of his rope, consciously unaware of what is happening to him or her.
If the state MUST kill convicted criminals then long drop hanging should be the method used, death occurs less than a second after the trap door opens, the only form of execution that can come close in terms of speed and painlessness is a single bullet to the back to the head.
BTW, as of 1997 South Africa has abolished capital punishment in practice, although as in many other western nations there is an ongoing debate about it's possible return.
Its only used in New Hampshire if deemed unpractical (victim has history of heroin use and needles cant be applied to a major vane, for example) and Washington. It has ended in Delaware the last prisoner with the option of choosing has died.
according to ( british hangman) harry allen's book its brandy that you are given to drink before they drop you, as a person shaking is the last thing you need when you are trying to put the eyelet in the right place to help ensure instant death.
ok. they must bring it back in to some parts of the world . especially britain. now its full of shit and chavs which are not scared of the law. BUT , some dont deserve it. such as derek bentleys case. he said 'let him have it' so the armed guy thought 'shoot him' . he had a death penalty.
P.S people these days ask you to drink something before you get hanged. what is it?
What kind of pussy cares if a killer suffers a little? If done right, it should break the neck, but if not, they won't suffer for very long. That's the reason you have professionals, so that most of the time it will happen the right way. If not, a murderer suffering a little at least gives him a glimpse of what his victim(s) felt.
If you could be 100% certain of guilt every time, I might agree with you. But we know from the number of DNA based releases from death row that mistakes are made all the time.
Calling people "pussies" who disagree with you is not civil discourse. If you want to make a point, please do so without putting people down.
Because of DNA evidence we can now be certain, and I would argue that only convictions where there is that evidence should execution be a possibility. Those releases you are talking about are ones that either predated the advent of DNA evidence or were from when the process had not been mastered and mistakes were made. In some countries, like Canada for example, there have been innocent people imprisoned who would have been executed unjustly. Now that we have the DNA evidence we can becertain
It isn't over yet, because he's finally going to get another hearing, but Troy Anthony Davis was sentenced to death on probably perjured testimony and no physical evidence at all, much less DNA. Right now I'm doing videos on methods of execution, but I will take up the philosophical issue of state murder again in another video.
P.S. I did not call them pussies because they disagreed with me but because only someone like that would sympathize with a killer. Say wimp if you like or some other word with the same meaning. Talking here about cases where guilt is certain due to DNA and other evidence.
I would add that I would accept true life imprisonment as an alternative, even the cases of those who get off on the so called insanity defence. (They sometimes are released from hospital only to reoffend.)
I think the death penalty should only be used in extreme cases... Such as killing 2 or more people or 1 in an extremely brutal way. And it should be done through the needle. That's my opinion...
There is an absolutely painless method which I will deal with in a later video. It has been rejected, mainly because it IS painless. People who want to use the death penalty would like to tread the thin line between cruelty and painlessness, because they think punishment should hurt and be terrifying. If not it doesn't satisfy the need for revenge, which is what most people really mean when they say "justice."
The rational behind that I am gonna presume , Is that the victims experienced great pain and agony , So the killer must experience great pain too , Its part of the "eye for a eye" philosophy.
Punishment is to correct, Inflicting pain before death serves no purpose but to satisfy the lust for revenge .
Ive always felt that the death penalty should be reserved solely for the most extreme serial killers, The people literally addicted to murder like BTK and Ted Bundy,With multiple crime scenes the probability of a wrongful conviction is very small.
You are probably correct about the probability of false conviction in a case like that. But my objection to the death penalty never was that nobody deserves to die. My objection is to killing when incarceration serves to protect us just as well. Killing is a barbarous way of dealing with criminals. Today the US is side by side with states like Iran, North Korea, China and Saudi Arabia in its criminal policies. we should set the example for them, not follow theirs.
You may be right. Being locked up really would be punishment. If justice is what you are after, that's a better way to get it than reliving the killer of life. If you believe in hell, keeping the convict from going too soon just heightens the punishment factor, doesn't it? He has all that time to contemplate the final judgement. And if you don't believe in hell (I don't) there is real punishment in prison rather than relief in death. Incarceration gives more "justice" either way.
Adding hell and heaven into the mix would actually make capital punishment an injustice, as the condemned would then not have much of an opportunity to prepare his soul. Unless hell was itself only temporary. But if we are talking about an everlasting Christian hell, the Christian goal is that everyone be saved, even the most despicable among us. From that perspective, surely the greater sorrow is when someone dies in sin, rather than redemption.
A country cannot hope to be considered civilised whilst condoning capital punishment. I suppose if it were effective as a detterrent there would be no one on death row.
Can't please everybody. The soundtrack is intended to put a rather morose feeling on this video, because thats' the way I see it.. What would you have preferred, maybe "The Dance Of The Hours"?
Interesting and informative. I like your objective approach toward this issue...I am so tired of people becoming totally emotional when discussing this issue. Don't know if I am opposed to the death penalty just yet, but I can definitely say you are making me reconsider. Keep the videos coming!
Perhaps the reason people become emotional is because it has affected their lives personally. For instance, my close uncle was killed by a man who had just been released from prison for which he had served time for killing someone else. The day he was released, my uncle was murdered. He then served ten years of his 90 year sentence and guess what...he fucking killed again. An old lady this time. People need to wake up, if you don't rid the problem it repeats itself.
I am truly sorry for your uncle and any other victims, but I disagree with the sentiment. I oppose the death penalty for all the reasons stated above, however I am very much for 'truth in sentencing'. That is, when someone is given "life" it should mean "life" not, meh, 10yrs. I believe that some people can face rehabilitation, and some people commit crimes, even heinous ones, for mitigating circumstances.I don't agree that death helps. It's costly, non-deterrent, and prone to serious errors.
Being sorry doesn't bring back numerous innocent lives. Why are we so sick as to pitty murderous assholes? There's only so much bleeding a heart can do in these situations. You guys always throw out a lot of what ifs...I have a what if for you. What if they are guilty and what if they get out and kill your son, mother, dad, uncle...etc. How much empathy will you have when it hits home? You'd rather chance rehabilitation rather than the sure thing of ridding us of them...Strange world indeed.
Well, I am a mental health nurse, and work in a forensic psychiatry ward (criminally insane). I've had to deal with the morals and ethics from this from 'the other side' so to speak. I don't lack empathy for the victims in any way, and I just as prone to hatred and vengeance as anyone for someone that commits a terrible crime. But I also acknowledge that we are not perfect and will make mistakes. I could perhaps support the death penalty in a perfect world 100% known guilty, but that's not real
I thought I made it clear, but I will say it again. I'm all for strict sentencing and longer terms of imprisonment (including life). As for rehab, as I just posted I work in a psych ward. I have seen it happen and we have rehabilitated people, however it often takes decades and isn't always applicable. We also have had some PTs die in ward.
Eagle, you really need to look into some facts more. Whilst I don't work in a gaol, I do work in a forensic psychiatric ward (criminally insane). I actually work with, as you called them, psychopaths.
The concepts your preaching is a very basic approach to a vastly complex concept. Is a 20yr old holding up a 7-11 and shoots someone a murderer for the death penalty? What if they were a drug addict? What if they were addicted to drugs for years? Because they were sexually abused by their father?
You look at a person, see their crime, and base all your judgement on that and that alone. And the judgement you wish for is death!
It's only when you start to look at the person as a whole that it becomes different. In the above example, does your hatred change when you learn of why they were in that position?
In my work, I deal with the most vicious of criminals. Every single one is a 'murderer' or sexual predator. Of them, 90% were abused as children. It's not black and white.
Well, I was abused as a child too. Brutally abused and I don't rape, murder or molest kids. I say screw the bastards, let them fry for all I care. I agree with Larry on most things but the death penalty is where we diverge. Nothing religious as I'm an atheist but these assholes kill and disfigure people over and over and all they get is time in prison...that's not justice nor is it fair. Kill the Sons of bitches.
And how than would you feel when (that's when, not if) you kill someone (re-death penalty) that was innocent. Our justice system isn't perfect, nor is our policing. There has been innocent people exonerated from death row.
No thanks, at least life imprisonment is 'undoable'. Said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather have 10people on life imprisonment than execute 1 innocent person.
I understand that if there is doubt they should not suffer the same as someone who knowingly is guilty. When the person admits to killing someone or the evidence is overwhelming against them then I think they should be gotten rid of before they have a chance to kill another innocent. And if I were one of your ten, I'd want to die rather than spend the rest of my life locked up....even if I were innocent.
You have the problem with false confessions, too. Not just coerced confessions, but people who freely confess to crimes they did not commit. This is a common phenomenon, certainly with high profile cases, as these kinds of people are drawn to the notoriety, or something. Even when the penalty is death.
As for preferring death to imprisonment... at least in prison you have a chance to have your case tried again, if new evidence should pop up. No such luck if you're dead.
...I'd want to die rather than spend the rest of my life locked up...
But that's your choice. Who are any of us to make a law regarding that potential 'choice' for others? As for "evidence is overwhelming". Are you saying that people on death row that get exonerated are there on a whim? That 'well, we're pretty sure'? The system does, has, and will again get it wrong
My dad was good friends with Linda Chamberlin, and she would have been killed if we had the death penalty. She was later cleared
Oh, I may be pre-empting your video, but lethal injection is amazingly cruel (when done incorrectly, which it often is). Many doctors refuse to do it for legal reasons, so it's often left to non-medically trained staff.
In my opinion, I don't think it's any government's place to kill its own citizens.
Regarding the death penalty, in general: I think that it should only be used in capital crimes and should only be carried out by the intended victim of the crime.
it's a hot button issue, to be sure, but unless someone has a first hand experience with it- like a family member was executed, or someone who's friend or family member was murdered and the person who did it was executed, or something along those lines, then it's just an academic discussion, and i'd tell you i'd see it abolished. if, on the other hand, someone harmed one of my kids, i'd say the person would never see the inside of a courtroom, because i would execute them.
top 10 execution countries: China, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, USA, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, Bangladesh, Somalia. I'm just thankful I don't live in any of these backward countries.
bekaybe 4 months ago
The "funny" thing is that being killed is not in itself (whatever the method) considered as "crual" in the USA...So killing is not crual! Cool to know!
wollin20 5 months ago
@wollin20 To my way of thinking, inflicting death on a sentient person is always cruel.
Largo64 5 months ago
@Largo64 That's what I ironically meant: I totally share your opinion.
wollin20 5 months ago
Respond to this video... Yesterday a likely innocent man was executed by the state of Georgia. Once a person is convicted, the burden of "proof" shifts from the state to the defendant, and appeals cannot present new evidence. They can only try to prove that the original trial was deficient in some way. Troy Davis' lawyers were unable to do that. He was killed because being correct was more important to the SCOTUS than being right. To the court, life is less important than procedure.
Largo64 5 months ago
@Largo64 You are so sadly right!
wollin20 5 months ago
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dfghjkl1624 6 months ago
@Antarctican81186 Thanks for your support, but I would have preferred one less adverb in that English. ;^)
Largo64 8 months ago
there's far too many people on this planet and the planet DOES NOT NEED evil human beings, Lets get rid of them, hanging is cruel ? let cruel people be cruelly despatched by a cruel method.
FlyingFox1971 8 months ago
@FlyingFox1971 A few years ago I would have agreed with you. But I have come to believe that all state killing is wrong. It could only be justified if you could prove that there would NEVER be an innocent person executed. But we know that many have been, and will continue to be, as long as the death penalty exists. That is my primary reason for objecting to it.
Largo64 8 months ago
@Largo64 there are approximately 800 murders in the UK each year, Did these people deserve to have their lives taken from them ? Do their killers desrve to be walking free after 5 years in some cases ?
FlyingFox1971 8 months ago
@FlyingFox1971 Do you think the number of murders would be fewer if you had the death penalty in the UK? There is no evidence to support that idea. Capital punishment is not a deterrent to capital crime because those who commit crimes of passion don't consider consequences and those who actually plan to do murder don't expect to be caught. Capital punishment is nothing more than murder by the state. And sometimes the state gets the wrong guy. What if that wrong guy were you?
Largo64 8 months ago
@Largo64 Yeah if you're innocent you're screwed, but it cost more to keep them for life than kill them :)
I saw your deleted video, but I did some research on the state of texas's death penalty. Hanging isn't cruel unless its too low, we use the long drop they get decapitated from too much pressure, so it is unusual. And if they used more harmful or executions that cause more pain, crime rates may decrease more quickly. The electric chair is not cruel whatsoever in my belief but it is unusual.
GuyofHimLand 7 months ago
@GuyofHimLand Your belief that execution costs less than lifetime incarceration is simply wrong. In California the death penalty is likely to come on the ballot again because the cost of executing prisoners is so much MORE than keeping them for life. California, like most other states, is nearly bankrupt, and we simply can't afford state revenge anymore. Please read the rest of this comment section.
Largo64 7 months ago
@GuyofHimLand "Yeah if you're innocent you're screwed, but it cost more to keep them for life than kill them :)"
this sentence plus even topping it off with a smiley is already fucked up. besides that, what you're saying is completely false. you would know if you didn't only listen to the republican version.
i'm pretty speechless. i just hope you and your kind become infertile soon, so the rather moderate prediction the movie "idiocracy" made won't come true or even be exceeded.
schmui 2 months ago
fuck off you boring bastard, hang all that commit murder
davidhaythornthwaite 9 months ago
@davidhaythornthwaite I gather that you don't agree with me about the death penalty. I'm guessing that your language skills are not developed enough to actually offer an argument. Your insult and statement peg you as either very young or very uneducated . . . or both.
Largo64 9 months ago
I do not understadn why the US still uses the death penalty when virtually all other civilised nations( the exception being Japan hvae abolished it. I just watched the movie about Albert Pierrepoint - one of the last hangsmen in the UK. It is notable he ended up an oppenent after executing over 600 people.
brontewcat 11 months ago
@brontewcat A majority of Americans still approve of the death penalty. If you ask them why they will often say that it deters violent crime. There is no convincing evidence that that is true. One reason is that a large majority of Americans (about 85% according to a recent poll) are Christians, who see in their bible that death was called for even for disobedient children. The primary method of execution then, stoning, was a community function. Americans are a "hands on" kind of people.
Largo64 11 months ago
@Largo64 I understand the Americans are very religious but what I don't understand is why more fundamentalist Christians prioritise the Old Testament over the New. Jesus's teachings clearly modify the harshness of the Old. To continually rely on teachings in the Old that conflict with Christ's teachings to me smacks of disobedience to God. Support for the death penalty is a classic example - "let he who without sin cast the first stone" and the second of the two great commandments.
brontewcat 11 months ago
@brontewcat The "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" reference was not in the earliest known copies of the gospels. It was added much later. Jesus did not in fact modify the teachings of the old testament. He verified them. Matt. 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." "All" included the new heaven and the new earth. Not fulfilled to this day. Read your bible yourself. THEN you will know what it says.
Largo64 11 months ago
@Largo64 I am well aware the story in John ch 8 vs1-11 was not in the earliest versions of John (ditto Mark 16 v 9-20) - all my Bibles mention this. While I do not know the Old Testament well I have read the Gospels many times over and it is clear Jesus does modify, either explicitly or implicitly, the harshest teachings of the Old Testament In the Sermon on the Mount He does so quite explicitly. Please do not assume I have not read the Bible b/c I have a different interpretation.
brontewcat 11 months ago
@Largo64 I am also aware of Lev 20 vs 9-16;Lev 21 v9; Deut 22 vs 20-29 - all make interesting reading. However, none of these punishments were being carried out in Jesus's time because the Jews themselves were modifying their harshness. Another one Deut 23 v1. I don't think the early Christian Church took the view a eunuch could not be baptised. This is why fundementalists of today, who take a literal view of the Bible when clearly Jews of Jesus's time did not, are such a puzzling lot
brontewcat 11 months ago
and, another thing : emprisonment is initially a mean to protect society, it's not meant to punish. What is done is done, and neither killing the convict, nore making him regret his act will change the situation
the fact is if you deprive someone of his freedom, he's gonna get mad but the aim is not to punish, the aim is to protect society
ShortGrey1 11 months ago
So at the end of the day, are you pro death penalty or against death penalty?
in my opinion, someone who did really bad things should be emprionned for a very long time, 30 or 40 years, not all his life. It would give himl time to regret his acts, to repent
Killing him do not solve the problem, and it's not a deterrent.
sorry for my poor english syntax, but I don't understand why in the US most people prefer executing a convict than give him time to redeem
ShortGrey1 11 months ago
@ShortGrey1 I'm against the death penalty in all its forms. To me it is nothing but revenge. Protection of the society is achieved by incarceration. It isn't necessary to kill people to demonstrate that killing is wrong.
Largo64 11 months ago
Would the author please kill himself?
AndrewPPalmer 1 year ago
@AndrewPPalmer I'm guessing here that you don't agree with me. It would be nice if you had the intellectual capacity to explain why, but apparently verbal abuse is all you are up to. I block trolls, and you are outta here!
Largo64 1 year ago
Hello, Yes I understand the nature if should anyone had done a terrible crime to my loved one I would want to seek revenge for the violence caused. Unfortunately I don't believe this is justified since if you are in face with evil you cannot kill evil by doing evil. When you take a human life you are committing the same crime by killing therefore you are committing evil. This has nothing to do with correction. This is revenge. When you commit murder to a murderer you take his place.
yOuGoTiPoDeD 1 year ago
@yOuGoTiPoDeD I agree with you. I said that I understand the desire for revenge by a family member, but that revenge by the society makes no sense to me. Punishment that does not even aim at correction is just cruelty.
Largo64 1 year ago
you going to be discussin the executions of the 1600's witch hunts? Drowning and burning?
StaticJolts 1 year ago
@StaticJolts No. My intent here is to shine a light on the gruesome and barbaric practice of execution as it is commonly done today. I would like to see the death penalty abolished in this country, as it has been in every other civilized country. If you are into horrific methods of punishment, just study the Inquisition.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 LOL.....I was just curious if you were going to cover all the methods of execution used in the United States from it's beginning. But now I understand the purpose of your series.
StaticJolts 1 year ago
What do I Say if the Person Executed Is Later Found to be Innocent? Ooops I Did It Again! That's Why there needs to be a Sentence Of "Guilty Beyond Any Doubt" making them Eligible for the Death Penalty! As one Judge during the 1800's in the American Frontier said, & I'm para phrasing here, "I am only Imprisoning Them in a Manner that is Suitable to see that They Never Committ anymore Heinous Crimes." In other words the Grave! As You know Sociopaths do Evil & Nasty things to other Humans!
ZEEMADMAN 1 year ago
@ZEEMADMAN I see you have studied law?
JazReviews 1 year ago
Since our civilisation already accepts euthanasia (e.g. abortion, assisted suicide, lethal injections, etc.) to get rid of unwanted individues, all reasoning about the pros and cons of death penalty are purly academic in nature. It's only a question of time, until e.g. tax crimes will cause death sentences too, like in China. Hence, we have to find cheap, safe and painless means to carry out executions. In my opinion, the electric chair and hypoxia by nitrogen satisfy these demands.
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debrainwasher 1 year ago
@debrainwasher Judging from your spelling of "civilization" you are from a country that already has done away with the death penalty. I hope you are wrong about its revival and greater use for more "crimes." As a humane method, I agree that hypoxia by nitrogen is the most humane, but if you see my video on the electric chair you will find some exceptions there.
Largo64 1 year ago
i agree , one in the back of the head is cheaper .
fcukyeah68 1 year ago
@Bullfron11758 would you also say that it is just, if the VICTIM is then found innocent?
MrMegalolz666 1 year ago
@MrMegalolz666 How does this relate to justice? A crime is always unjust to the victim. That doesn't mean that official murder is anything but revenge. Justice is not what is sought by the state in a capital case. Revenge is. It does no good. There is no such thing as closure achieved by killing the killer. Ask the family of a victim if they feel closure. They may feel relief that the murderer of their loved one is dead. But closure? What do they feel if the executed turns out to be innocent?
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 I was agreeing with you, i think it is truly a wrong method of punishment, another reason is because if the victim is found innocent then death is not irreversible, prison is not.
MrMegalolz666 1 year ago
@MrMegalolz666 Sorry. I see now that you capped the word VICTIM because I made a point of calling executed prisoners victims. Thanks for your comment.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 No problem dude, make more. (:
MrMegalolz666 1 year ago
@Largo64 Well I can't speak for myself but a guy I served with had 2 family members murdered one of which was a child. I did actually ask him if he felt closure. He hesitated for a few seconds and said "yes you know I really do" but he also said he was just glad he was dead so I would say that it is a mixed feeling for different people.
crawford229 1 year ago
@crawford229 One can feel 100% closure and 100% glad the fker is dead.
choppedpeanuts1 1 year ago
As European I hate death penalty.
De Delitti e delle Pene - Beccaria READ IT!
ThreeLions89 1 year ago
Hi Larry,
@ 4:34 You speak about South Africa, being one of the two jurisdictions in the English speaking world that use hanging. South Africa however abolished the death penalty at the end of apartheid back in the 1990's.
Great video's however.
Popperite 1 year ago
@Popperite Yes. That was updated in comments a while back.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Yes I can see that now on the reactions page!
Thanks for your video's!
Popperite 1 year ago
South Africa abolished Capital Punishment in 1989, I'm sure of it, but there's a lot of talk of reinstation there, due to high murder rates...
It is REALLY nise to see an American opposed to Capital Punsihment. Keep up the good work! :-D
MatthewBuick 1 year ago
I do not agree with something being cruel. Convicted felons that took a life from someone else deserve the upmost punishment. Who knows how much pain that was cruel thier victims went through.
I am still for the eye for an eye method.
mystblade 1 year ago
I don't agree with cruel and unusual punishments... torture for example, is usually pointless and unreliable....but hanging a criminal is not unusual...or really even cruel in my opinion. It is an ending of life....but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some creatures deserve death. But executions should be swift.
bravdos 2 years ago
Wouldn't death by firing squad be more appropriate?
People must be held accountable for their crimes, but there should be no enjoyment over an excution, but rather an ideal punishment for the crime committed.
But to be honest, death penalty is too soft. Life in prison without parole whilst laboring a lifetime to pay every penny earned to the victim's family. That's fairer justice. Let them live out their days remembering that they now live to pay their debts back to society.
pluto4847 2 years ago
One sure thing about execution...it stops murderers from ever killing again! In certain circumstances, I agree with it. Ted Bundy, for instance, deserved exactly what he got.
Kaffyboy 2 years ago
the death penalty is useless
quentin4221 2 years ago
This old man is such a dumb nigger lover, he doesnt know that the united states doesnt use hanging anymore they use lethal injection and the electric chair, and the chair is a secondary method. You dumb nigger loving bastard learn your history
number14ftw 2 years ago
@number14ftw Racists are not welcome here.
Largo64 2 years ago
The old man has got his facts correct, you thicko. Hanging is still prescribed as an alternative to LI in 2 states - Washington and Delaware. How come an Englishman like me knows that, but a thick american sod like you does not??
Freddyboy1957 2 years ago
@number14ftw He's going through the HISTORY of executions in chronological order, you ridiculously moronic twat. This is the FIRST one of a SERIES. Could you BE any more of a big-mouthed idiot?
Synwolf85 1 year ago
it is he feared for his life as rita did for hers
bottorff013 2 years ago
Hello, I believe I have seen all your work on execution, giving the technology we that the Police have in the 21st Century, to determine the Guilt of a suspect, don't you think, that at least some Killers should be executed. and maybe even painfully, after all, think about there victims?
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Bolder21 2 years ago
@Bolder21 I would only say that, having captured and incarcerated them, society has protected itself. If you can show me how killing the killer brings back his victim, I might agree with you. I don't mean to be flippant. I used to think as you do. But killing by the state can not nullify a tragedy. It can only set the example that killing is a way to solve problems. It may feel like it temporarily, but I don't think it is in the long term.
Largo64 2 years ago
@Largo64
You need an example of it's long term effectiveness?
Case in point: Ted Bundy killed anywhere from 30 to 100 people and confessed to over 20. He evaded capture for 3 years, was caught 3 times, and escaped from jail twice jut to go kill more people. He was infatuated with watching others suffer. Do you think that allowing him the opportunity to serve a life term in prison could in any way atone for what he did? Or how about the possibility of parole where he could go kill some more?
snwboardguy04 1 year ago
@snwboardguy04 Bundy escaped from lesser security lockups. Do you have evidence of significant numbers of escapes from places like Pelecan Bay or other maximum securituy facilities? There are lots of escapes, some merely walk-aways from minimum security. But a convict with a murder conviction doesn't walk away. Once Bundy was in max-security, he wasn't going anywhere. There was no need for the state to become a murderer of a murderer.
Largo64 1 year ago
Nice video, It really got me thinking. you rock :) ps I agree with you no death penalty all the way
mindfreeeeek 2 years ago
I wish the UK had the Death Penalty, and they used it where necessary, it would be the only way to turn our county around.
LEK2129 2 years ago
@LEK2129 Yes, you are right. There is no reason why terrorists (like the London Subway bombers) should NOT be hanged.
Mr76Yearsago 1 year ago
I jack off every time a Criminal is Terminated ....
unitedstatesdale 2 years ago
@unitedstatesdale The ladies must think you're a LOT of fun.
Largo64 2 years ago
agreed ^^ with everything u siad in this video Largo64 ,good job there have been many people executed that have been innocent and his is disgusting and something should be done ,the gas chamber and lethal injection i think are the worst form of execution especialy the electric chair if not performed correctly :)
acdcish 2 years ago
well im rely dont agree i watched the man who killed my cousin get executed i laghed my ass off
bottorff013 2 years ago
What a load of cobblers dislocation of C 2 and C 3 and although f*ck ups have occurred usually totally humane . you sicken me
Preach to sunday school NOT toy youtube
What a load of Bollocks !
Gillyyorkie 2 years ago
@Gillyyorkie I sicken you because I disagree with you? Actually, I used to be on your side of the argument. But the fact that innocent people have been executed, along with the sheer barbarity of taking the life of someone already incarcerated and controlled, made me change my mind. Killing can't get any colder than that.
Largo64 2 years ago
@Largo64. Why do so many people have this misconception? The system of judicial hanging as practised in the UK, using variable drops, meant that the condemned's neck was dislocated & the spinal chord severed resulting in INSTANT death. Decapitations in the UK ended with James Berry in the 1880's. The charts were meant for height & weight but physical attributes (neck condition) would be accounted for at the EXECUTIONERS' discretion & the drop lengthened or, less commonly, shortened accordingly.
368james 2 years ago
@368james The point is that even with the table(s), many people have slowly strangled and others have been decapitated. The discretion of the executioner is not perfect. Also in England, before the drop was adopted, people were hoisted by their necks and all struggled in agony as they slowly strangled.
Largo64 2 years ago
In the UK, "hoisting up" went out in the middle ages, (roughly 9th Century.) Since then & up to the 1880's a short drop was employed. Since the turn of the 20th Cent. there are only 3 records of "possible" strangulation. 2 by John Ellis (neck broken also but spinal chord not severed) & one by Harry Kirk (clean execution but grunting was heard after drop. Strangulation not proven.) A Royal commission found that hanging by UK method to be most humane compared to other forms of execution worldwide.
368james 2 years ago
@368james "A Royal commission found that hanging by UK method to be most humane compared to other forms of execution worldwide."
Fortunately, the UK abolished the death penalty altogether.
Largo64 2 years ago
Which is probably for the best considering the amount of "unsafe" convictions which have subsequently been overturned up to 40 years after being carried out. Although there are still debates about re-instatement (the latest was last week.) Although the European legislation on Human Rights now forbids member states from doing so.
368james 2 years ago
Hanging gives the perfect balance between humane instant despatch with suitable punishment motif: five seconds of terror, no pain, instant nirvana. The secondary benefits include an easy hand gesture that can be made to anybody accused of a capital crime: fist against throat and jerk of the head.
I don't support the death penalty but hanging is the only sane method to consider: no blood, no mess (as long as women wear plastic underwear) and no spurious medicalization of the process.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
Martin; only if carried out correctly, a good few hangings were botched resulting in a a slow cruel end. The point is made by the narrator. Ruth Ellis's hanging was very nearly so.
Nomad722 2 years ago
A lot of things are only "safe" if done correctly, including every known method of execution!
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
Martin: see my PM to you haven't been able to post responses here for some reason.
Nomad722 2 years ago
A proper drop hanging is very efficient. The skilled hangman would enter the condemned man's cell at the stroke of the appointed hour, the condemned man would be bound, hooded, the noose pulled over the head and secured against the jaw and the trapdoor opened in about the time it has taken you to read the description of the process. The condemned man would be dead instantly. If there was a clock within earshot the condemned man would not hear the fourth chime of the hour.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
Largo, this is the problem as you righty point out; following the correct methods did and does not always mean an instaneous death. This along with a number of other factors was never disclosed by the authorities.
Nomad722 2 years ago
@bullfrog11758 This is true IF the rope is just the right length, the drop is not too long or too short, the person's neck is not too muscular, or any of many other variables. The charts used only account for weight and height. Some individuals strangle slowly and in great agony. Some are decapitated. Only the lucky ones are killed quickly.
Largo64 2 years ago
I think the condemned SHOULD suffer pain during execution.
wardenphil 2 years ago
@wardenphil I said the same thing, and not all that long ago. But I have changed my mind. Punishment that can reform may have a place, but punishment for its own sake is merely cruelty. Today's execution in Virginia solved nothing. It certainly did not right any wrongs.
Largo64 2 years ago
Just curious... you defend the lives of convicted criminals, how do you feel about abortion?
wkbrummer 2 years ago
@wkbrummer Are you suggesting that execution and abortion are analogous? Make a video and invite me to comment. This video is on a different topic.
Largo64 2 years ago
I think that my question is pretty simple and to the point. I asked your opinion on abortion. Your avoidance of providing an answer is all that I needed.
wkbrummer 2 years ago
It's off topic. I think a woman has the right to have an abortion if she wants one. There are both good and bad reasons for abortion, but I don't see abortion as murder. If you want any more detail than that, as I said, make a video. It is clear from your question that you think abortion is the same as executing a person. I think you are wrong.
Largo64 2 years ago
With your answer to wkbrummer, you are in no position to judge me - you will fight to prevent the execution of vicious murders, but not fight for the right of unborn children to be born. The difference - the child never got his or her day in court.
wardenphil 2 years ago
@wardenphil We see a fetus differently. With the anti-abortion people you insist on calling a fetus a "child." I would say a child is a born person who is independent of any host. Before it has drawn the "breath of life" a fetus is not a person. Even the law doesn't call an abortion murder unless there is evidence that the fetus/baby has taken one breath.
Largo64 2 years ago
Who is "we"? What do you think about Partial Birth Abortion, where great lengths are taken to prevent that first breath? Your distictinction is legal not medical. Please don't go there - how many times has the U.S. Supreme Court issued rulings which different justices overturned years later? How about the Dred Scott Ruling that slaves were not citizens? How about Plessey vs Furgerson, which upheld racial segregation? No Sir, you are wrong.
wardenphil 2 years ago
@wardenphil "We" refers to pro choice people. Please, though, refrain from any further comments here on this subject. I said before, the topic of this video is the death penalty. You would like to relate the two but yours is a different topic. Make your own video on abortion if you want to. but please stop hijacking mine.
Largo64 2 years ago
Hanging in its proper application is almost always painless. Just as a person in coma can be effortlessly suffocated by pillow, so in a similar state; a convict will suffocate at the end of his rope, consciously unaware of what is happening to him or her.
billybobmacguyver 2 years ago
If the state MUST kill convicted criminals then long drop hanging should be the method used, death occurs less than a second after the trap door opens, the only form of execution that can come close in terms of speed and painlessness is a single bullet to the back to the head.
BTW, as of 1997 South Africa has abolished capital punishment in practice, although as in many other western nations there is an ongoing debate about it's possible return.
TashkentFox 2 years ago
You are right about South Africa, as I acknowledged elsewhere in these comments.
Largo64 2 years ago
Hanging is no longer used in America the last convict that could use that option has died.
HoribiFuckis 2 years ago
Have you some reference for that? Not saying you're wrong. I just want to know where I can verify it.
Largo64 2 years ago
Its only used in New Hampshire if deemed unpractical (victim has history of heroin use and needles cant be applied to a major vane, for example) and Washington. It has ended in Delaware the last prisoner with the option of choosing has died.
HoribiFuckis 2 years ago
errr somethings wrong with ur eye mister
yepp87 2 years ago
Which one? The one that's wide open or the one that squints?
Largo64 2 years ago
according to ( british hangman) harry allen's book its brandy that you are given to drink before they drop you, as a person shaking is the last thing you need when you are trying to put the eyelet in the right place to help ensure instant death.
lewisb187 2 years ago
ok. they must bring it back in to some parts of the world . especially britain. now its full of shit and chavs which are not scared of the law. BUT , some dont deserve it. such as derek bentleys case. he said 'let him have it' so the armed guy thought 'shoot him' . he had a death penalty.
P.S people these days ask you to drink something before you get hanged. what is it?
Lvieru96 2 years ago
I have no clue about a drink before hanging, but if I were about to be hanged, I imagine a pint of Wild Turkey wouldn't hurt!
Largo64 2 years ago
watch film "Pierrepoint the last hangman"
"cruel and unusual" are American alternatives
including electric-chair, the gas chamber
and lethal injection
you full of shit
darkmossie633 2 years ago
lethal injection administered by laymen
-doctors will not do it due to "hypocratic" oath,
never to take life.
-therefore many times, vein not correctly found and punctured by needle, and executed
person dies of aspyxia
darkmossie633 2 years ago
I haven't gotten to lethal injection yet, but it may prove to be the MOST cruel of execution methods.
Largo64 2 years ago
Is this Al Fayed?
BRUTUALTRUTH 2 years ago
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gystracing 2 years ago
ive seen some countries intentionaly decapitate and make then run off a tall structure with the noose round there neck and well u know the rest
1boredom2strikes3 2 years ago
What kind of pussy cares if a killer suffers a little? If done right, it should break the neck, but if not, they won't suffer for very long. That's the reason you have professionals, so that most of the time it will happen the right way. If not, a murderer suffering a little at least gives him a glimpse of what his victim(s) felt.
joedickesq 2 years ago
If you could be 100% certain of guilt every time, I might agree with you. But we know from the number of DNA based releases from death row that mistakes are made all the time.
Calling people "pussies" who disagree with you is not civil discourse. If you want to make a point, please do so without putting people down.
Largo64 2 years ago
Because of DNA evidence we can now be certain, and I would argue that only convictions where there is that evidence should execution be a possibility. Those releases you are talking about are ones that either predated the advent of DNA evidence or were from when the process had not been mastered and mistakes were made. In some countries, like Canada for example, there have been innocent people imprisoned who would have been executed unjustly. Now that we have the DNA evidence we can becertain
joedickesq 2 years ago
It isn't over yet, because he's finally going to get another hearing, but Troy Anthony Davis was sentenced to death on probably perjured testimony and no physical evidence at all, much less DNA. Right now I'm doing videos on methods of execution, but I will take up the philosophical issue of state murder again in another video.
Largo64 2 years ago
P.S. I did not call them pussies because they disagreed with me but because only someone like that would sympathize with a killer. Say wimp if you like or some other word with the same meaning. Talking here about cases where guilt is certain due to DNA and other evidence.
I would add that I would accept true life imprisonment as an alternative, even the cases of those who get off on the so called insanity defence. (They sometimes are released from hospital only to reoffend.)
joedickesq 2 years ago
Japan still uses hanging as well. They don't even tell the prisoners on death row, when they're to be executed, they just turn up a few hours before.
AIEmpire 2 years ago
Japan is Barbaric in many ways...I live in JP now and have for many years.the JP`s are bastards too!
tekkote 2 years ago
Shot in the head is the best way, don't you think?
KohrsAKT 2 years ago
It may be quick and painless, but there is a better way. I'll get to that in another video.
Largo64 2 years ago
you should have started earlier with being nailed to a cross
firemaniac10010 2 years ago
I think the death penalty should only be used in extreme cases... Such as killing 2 or more people or 1 in an extremely brutal way. And it should be done through the needle. That's my opinion...
redmario222 2 years ago
I don't agree with the death penalty for multiple reasons
but
if they are going to keep the death penalty
a better alternative would be forced into research
why just kill somebody when you can practice experimental procedures with them
such a waste
"I heard Justice was blind when Uncle Sam fucked her"
I was surprised they still had hanging
luckily nobody lives in Washington state
TheStoicAgnostic 2 years ago
Washington state hasn't used the gallows since 1994. But hanging is still an option there.
Largo64 2 years ago
A Painless method, Putting them under general anesthesia , Once unconscious, Stick them with poison.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
There is an absolutely painless method which I will deal with in a later video. It has been rejected, mainly because it IS painless. People who want to use the death penalty would like to tread the thin line between cruelty and painlessness, because they think punishment should hurt and be terrifying. If not it doesn't satisfy the need for revenge, which is what most people really mean when they say "justice."
Largo64 2 years ago
I find that astonishing.
The rational behind that I am gonna presume , Is that the victims experienced great pain and agony , So the killer must experience great pain too , Its part of the "eye for a eye" philosophy.
Punishment is to correct, Inflicting pain before death serves no purpose but to satisfy the lust for revenge .
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
"Punishment is to correct, Inflicting pain before death serves no purpose but to satisfy the lust for revenge."
You are right. Punishment SHOULD be to correct. But taking life serves only to balance some perverse scale to recompense one evil with another.
Largo64 2 years ago
Ive always felt that the death penalty should be reserved solely for the most extreme serial killers, The people literally addicted to murder like BTK and Ted Bundy,With multiple crime scenes the probability of a wrongful conviction is very small.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
You are probably correct about the probability of false conviction in a case like that. But my objection to the death penalty never was that nobody deserves to die. My objection is to killing when incarceration serves to protect us just as well. Killing is a barbarous way of dealing with criminals. Today the US is side by side with states like Iran, North Korea, China and Saudi Arabia in its criminal policies. we should set the example for them, not follow theirs.
Largo64 2 years ago
North Korea and China will only change once they have a change of goverment.
Saudi Arabia will never change its ways, As long as it is a Islamic society, Following Islamic law.
I would consider a execution rather Lenient, Compared to being locked up in solitary confinement for life.
Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
You may be right. Being locked up really would be punishment. If justice is what you are after, that's a better way to get it than reliving the killer of life. If you believe in hell, keeping the convict from going too soon just heightens the punishment factor, doesn't it? He has all that time to contemplate the final judgement. And if you don't believe in hell (I don't) there is real punishment in prison rather than relief in death. Incarceration gives more "justice" either way.
Largo64 2 years ago
Adding hell and heaven into the mix would actually make capital punishment an injustice, as the condemned would then not have much of an opportunity to prepare his soul. Unless hell was itself only temporary. But if we are talking about an everlasting Christian hell, the Christian goal is that everyone be saved, even the most despicable among us. From that perspective, surely the greater sorrow is when someone dies in sin, rather than redemption.
Gilmaris 2 years ago
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Obasiliasfilosofos 2 years ago
A country cannot hope to be considered civilised whilst condoning capital punishment. I suppose if it were effective as a detterrent there would be no one on death row.
princeofleastaction 2 years ago
Not a big fan of the dramatic soundtrack.
rx7lover86 2 years ago
Can't please everybody. The soundtrack is intended to put a rather morose feeling on this video, because thats' the way I see it.. What would you have preferred, maybe "The Dance Of The Hours"?
Largo64 2 years ago
It just made it a little harder to hear you with my headphones.
rx7lover86 2 years ago
Sorry. I put the level rather low to avoid that. If I change it now I'll have to repost it and lose the comments so far.
Largo64 2 years ago
Life can be alot harder than death.
15443215112 2 years ago
Interesting and informative. I like your objective approach toward this issue...I am so tired of people becoming totally emotional when discussing this issue. Don't know if I am opposed to the death penalty just yet, but I can definitely say you are making me reconsider. Keep the videos coming!
Nonoyawns 2 years ago
Perhaps the reason people become emotional is because it has affected their lives personally. For instance, my close uncle was killed by a man who had just been released from prison for which he had served time for killing someone else. The day he was released, my uncle was murdered. He then served ten years of his 90 year sentence and guess what...he fucking killed again. An old lady this time. People need to wake up, if you don't rid the problem it repeats itself.
jackmarshak 2 years ago
"People need to wake up, if you don't rid the problem it repeats itself. "
Was he a typical example, you think?
Gilmaris 2 years ago
I am truly sorry for your uncle and any other victims, but I disagree with the sentiment. I oppose the death penalty for all the reasons stated above, however I am very much for 'truth in sentencing'. That is, when someone is given "life" it should mean "life" not, meh, 10yrs. I believe that some people can face rehabilitation, and some people commit crimes, even heinous ones, for mitigating circumstances.I don't agree that death helps. It's costly, non-deterrent, and prone to serious errors.
bersaba 2 years ago
Being sorry doesn't bring back numerous innocent lives. Why are we so sick as to pitty murderous assholes? There's only so much bleeding a heart can do in these situations. You guys always throw out a lot of what ifs...I have a what if for you. What if they are guilty and what if they get out and kill your son, mother, dad, uncle...etc. How much empathy will you have when it hits home? You'd rather chance rehabilitation rather than the sure thing of ridding us of them...Strange world indeed.
jackmarshak 2 years ago
Well, I am a mental health nurse, and work in a forensic psychiatry ward (criminally insane). I've had to deal with the morals and ethics from this from 'the other side' so to speak. I don't lack empathy for the victims in any way, and I just as prone to hatred and vengeance as anyone for someone that commits a terrible crime. But I also acknowledge that we are not perfect and will make mistakes. I could perhaps support the death penalty in a perfect world 100% known guilty, but that's not real
bersaba 2 years ago
"You'd rather chance rehabilitation"
I thought I made it clear, but I will say it again. I'm all for strict sentencing and longer terms of imprisonment (including life). As for rehab, as I just posted I work in a psych ward. I have seen it happen and we have rehabilitated people, however it often takes decades and isn't always applicable. We also have had some PTs die in ward.
bersaba 2 years ago
Eagle, you really need to look into some facts more. Whilst I don't work in a gaol, I do work in a forensic psychiatric ward (criminally insane). I actually work with, as you called them, psychopaths.
The concepts your preaching is a very basic approach to a vastly complex concept. Is a 20yr old holding up a 7-11 and shoots someone a murderer for the death penalty? What if they were a drug addict? What if they were addicted to drugs for years? Because they were sexually abused by their father?
bersaba 2 years ago
You look at a person, see their crime, and base all your judgement on that and that alone. And the judgement you wish for is death!
It's only when you start to look at the person as a whole that it becomes different. In the above example, does your hatred change when you learn of why they were in that position?
In my work, I deal with the most vicious of criminals. Every single one is a 'murderer' or sexual predator. Of them, 90% were abused as children. It's not black and white.
bersaba 2 years ago
Well, I was abused as a child too. Brutally abused and I don't rape, murder or molest kids. I say screw the bastards, let them fry for all I care. I agree with Larry on most things but the death penalty is where we diverge. Nothing religious as I'm an atheist but these assholes kill and disfigure people over and over and all they get is time in prison...that's not justice nor is it fair. Kill the Sons of bitches.
jackmarshak 2 years ago
And how than would you feel when (that's when, not if) you kill someone (re-death penalty) that was innocent. Our justice system isn't perfect, nor is our policing. There has been innocent people exonerated from death row.
No thanks, at least life imprisonment is 'undoable'. Said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather have 10people on life imprisonment than execute 1 innocent person.
bersaba 2 years ago
I understand that if there is doubt they should not suffer the same as someone who knowingly is guilty. When the person admits to killing someone or the evidence is overwhelming against them then I think they should be gotten rid of before they have a chance to kill another innocent. And if I were one of your ten, I'd want to die rather than spend the rest of my life locked up....even if I were innocent.
jackmarshak 2 years ago
You have the problem with false confessions, too. Not just coerced confessions, but people who freely confess to crimes they did not commit. This is a common phenomenon, certainly with high profile cases, as these kinds of people are drawn to the notoriety, or something. Even when the penalty is death.
As for preferring death to imprisonment... at least in prison you have a chance to have your case tried again, if new evidence should pop up. No such luck if you're dead.
Gilmaris 2 years ago
...I'd want to die rather than spend the rest of my life locked up...
But that's your choice. Who are any of us to make a law regarding that potential 'choice' for others? As for "evidence is overwhelming". Are you saying that people on death row that get exonerated are there on a whim? That 'well, we're pretty sure'? The system does, has, and will again get it wrong
My dad was good friends with Linda Chamberlin, and she would have been killed if we had the death penalty. She was later cleared
bersaba 2 years ago
Capital Punishment is one of the last violent reminders that we are not yet truly removed from a barbaric society.
NINmastagNIN 2 years ago
Thanks for this video and all the info in it...I live in washington, don't think I've heard of an execution in my life time.
More interesting, to my knowledge, 2 states still use execution by firing range. :)
Azrhei 2 years ago
the death penalty is wrong using any method. Murdering Murderers does nothing but beget more Murder.
RomanPhilosopher 2 years ago
Oh, I may be pre-empting your video, but lethal injection is amazingly cruel (when done incorrectly, which it often is). Many doctors refuse to do it for legal reasons, so it's often left to non-medically trained staff.
bersaba 2 years ago
I'd rather let 100 "deserving" people sit on life imprisonment, rather than kill one person that could be innocent.
Fact: People on death row have been exonerated.
As far as I'm concerned the risk of killing someone that could be innocent is too great.
bersaba 2 years ago
The people who pull the lever, are murderers at heart. They have just found a legal outlet for their demon. They're going back to hell when they die.
FCKEVRY1 2 years ago
Thanks for the vid. Very educational
KT45 2 years ago
In my opinion, I don't think it's any government's place to kill its own citizens.
Regarding the death penalty, in general: I think that it should only be used in capital crimes and should only be carried out by the intended victim of the crime.
kevinbenko 2 years ago
it's a hot button issue, to be sure, but unless someone has a first hand experience with it- like a family member was executed, or someone who's friend or family member was murdered and the person who did it was executed, or something along those lines, then it's just an academic discussion, and i'd tell you i'd see it abolished. if, on the other hand, someone harmed one of my kids, i'd say the person would never see the inside of a courtroom, because i would execute them.
MrJoeCage 2 years ago
As I said I was posting my last comment as i watched and I'm also posting this one while i watch. Anyway, I see my mistake.
d3f3ctiv3 2 years ago
I'm posting this as i watch.
I was under the impression that hanging killed the victim by breaking the his or her neck and suffocation.
d3f3ctiv3 2 years ago