Coming from a guy with 70% of his family employed by GM.... GM should have NEVER been bailed out!.... Even my family with jobs on the line will tell you that...They don't want a job that burdens all other Americans for their personal benefit, nor do they want a job if it is not a sustainable job!... and after all that, the greed that created the problem still remains...
Bailing out GM was very much like buying a shopping mall so your kids can have a summer job. You will NEVER see those 50-60 billion dollars again.
And what did they do with the money.. They grabbed it and fled the country. Todays GMs are built in Canada, Brazil, Mexico and ofcourse lets not forget the 4-5 models that are simply rebadged Korean Daewoo. Chrysler was given away to Fiat for free to avoid a complete collapse. Not til things get better... Thats forever. So much for american cars.
mmaier2112 has blocked me due to his lack of intelligence being pointed out to him in such a basic way that even he understands it. so he did what any free speech loving person would do... he blocked me so i guess that makes ihm the winner.
i blocked him because i have dealt with his type before. they block then unblock you to send antagonistic messages like a coward.
you are nothing to me.... i dont understand why you keep trying. i must of left a mark on you because its more than a month later and YOU are the one talking to me... i respond with nothing but disrespect.
@AntiVenomFangX You're like a little, brain-damaged mouse I can bat with my paw. It amuses me because you respond like such a hysterical, whining vagina.
mmaier2112 has blocked me due to his lack of intelligence being pointed out to him in such a basic way that even he understands it. so he did what any free speech loving person would do... he blocked me so i guess that makes ihm the winner.
i blocked him because i have dealt with his type before. they block then unblock you to send antagonistic messages like a coward.
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Yep. Strange coincidence that a lot of those folks just so happen to have some *cough* JEWISH FACTOR */cough* to them. Hey, no biggie. They only destroyed Europe with World War I and World War II. I'm sure after WWIII we can be just like fucking Germany in 1919 and get screwed into paying EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY!
Not yelling at you, just pissed off, haha. Ron Paul, dammit, RON 'EFFIN PAUL IS THE MAN!
What's the conspiracy? Zionism already took over this country and we already fight for the special interests of Israel. So what's the big conspiracy? It's fact.
Bankruptcies are nothing to fear unless you're bought and paid for by the AFL-CIO.
Ultimately, they're going to make everyone involved worse off. Unions don't care about workers. If they wanted to save jobs, they'd help to keep the companies solvent. Instead, they're going to keep crying to their incestuous Democratic partners in Congress to bail out "their" companies.
I'm never buying GM or any other RICO-stolen company's products - new OR used - again.
@mmaier2112 You are another america last , exploit the working man,and kowtow to the rich man nut, eh? Typical reaganite rich get richer and the poor get poorer philosophy. Does your brainwashing include trickle down economics, too? Let me clue you in, it is percolate up economics. Without unions, this country would be the equivalent of modern-day china, but I am sure your ignorance would appreciate the exploitation.
The govt should not OWN automobile companies and screw shareholders in the process. Show me where that's allowed under the Constitution, please.
For that matter, show me where in the Constitution the feds can FORCE a company to negotiate with anyone, let alone a mobster-led crooked union.
Unions destroyed the industry in this country through THEIR unbridled greed. Their power is purely state-granted, immoral and too often enforced with mob violence.
Quite the audacity to write about union unbridled greed, you are one ignorant ignoramus. The greed is on the other side of the negotiating table, always has been. Until we can educate idiots like you, the case will remain the same. I can only assume you're a descendant of a robber barron, nobody else would write such ignorant malarky. Historically speaking, the unions consistently have had violence perpetrated upon them by a collusion of gov't and industry forces.
Right. Because cops don't turn away from the union mobs attacking scabs? You're either a naive fool or a propagandist.
I'm not a fan of the financial sector in the least, either. But shareholders don't have to be corporations. What about pensioners whose plans bought GM stock? Have any sympathy for them?
The entire Govt Motors buyout was beyond the pale to anyone concerned with the law. Obviously, you're not one of "them types".
Again, please show me IN THE CONSTITUTION where that power is.
ok i will ignore you missing my points, making personal insults, and put your personal attacks, to treat you like an adult. ill start by checking the constitution for your answer, but we all know the constitution was created in a time where they knew less about our current economies than just abotu all the human race on the earth these days.
so why is it so important to use an outdated manifesto to deal with real world 2010?
Gov't can make any regulation they so desire upon a corporate entity, it has no protection under the constitution. Congress has the power over corporations, regardless of the fact that this corrupt supreme court decided a corporation is a person. Shareholders take a risk, oh too goddamn bad if they lose a little in the short term. Maybe they will actually have to produce something besides wallstreet wealth, wouldn't that be terrible.
you are ignorant to economics. china would own gm right now if we did not buy them. china would of then made the money that our govt did off of its investments.
if you dont think china has an interest in buying out gm for a bargain discount price then you are flat out undeniably stupid.
Better GM BE foreign-owned that have the bastards in our government and the UAW running the show. GM was LOSING over $4000 per vehicle sold before the takeover. Exactly WHY should anyone care about its fate?
You're delusional if you think the UAW and Obama can make it truly profitable. They're already lying about "paying the govt back".
They're paying back a pittance of money WITH MONEY THE GOVT GAVE THEM to be able to borrow even more from the EPA.
this is proof of my claim. you dont know what you are talking about. go back to your little opinion news and yell at the tv some more.
if you care about the american economy then you should care about this multinationals fate, but if your stupid and or ignorant then you dont care nor will ever know why you should care.
good job making yourself look dumb. and yes yes yes i know you disagree that you are stupid we dont have to hear your defense
@AntiVenomFangX No, fool. If GM went bankrupt, some better managers could buy it, restructure its contracts and manufacturing and just maybe make it profitable.
How much is GM making per unit these days? Do you have a clue? I'm betting you don't.
Ford, I might buy someday. At least they're standing on their own right now.
yes better managers could buy it, but we all know china would outbid them with ease... why are you pretending to know what you are talking about here?
i dont think you understand how important a company like GM is to our economy, military, jobs exports, and multinational income. ye sit is doing horribly now, but how do you see it as something that doesnt turn around. it is as important to the US as it is to china.
@AntiVenomFangX I simply do not care if it becomes foreign-owned. What are Chink owners going to do? Move the entire operation offshore? Then exactly where's the upside of buying it?
Only an idiot thinks Government Motors is going to magically become profitable without major restructuring. GM's massive union, pension and health-care liabilities haven't changed, have they?
i know you dont care... this is no mystery. you not caring proves my point. so basically you just handed me the win.... i dont understand what you are trying to do here
yes only an idiot thinks it will magically become profitable..... what exactly do you assume im thinking?
@AntiVenomFangX "ou not caring proves my point. " What point is that? That I'm heartless? I'll save you the suspense: I'm not.
"handed me the win" ??? Are you high? Or are you actually saying the US govt should keep unprofitable corporations alive for the sake of jobs? Oh please, say yes. I'm laughing already, from your posts, but I always enjoy humour.
the point was you are ignorant to how much we need to keep GM as part of our economy. and you even said "i dont care if chinks buy it" or whatever ignorant ass shit you said.
like i said. sticj to yelling at the tv. you dont know how an economy works.
if china did ow GM i guarantee you would be bitching about it the same way your bitching about the bailout.
@AntiVenomFangX No, we don't "need" to keep any specific company in our economy if they're not profitable. I do not care if the Chinks buy it if they make it profitable. I would not bitch about anyone buying GM under a bankruptcy sale or restructuring. Using tax dollars to keep unprofitable businesses "afloat" is a waste of money and resources.
Socialist morons like you never take that into account and I'M the one that doesn't know how an economy works?
Whether you use socialist, corporatist, fascist or Communist, it's all illegal govt interference in the market, which causes most of our problems from the start. Labels don't easily apply, probably by design.
Assholes like Obama are very likely Communists. But he doesn't have the balls to try and turn us into a command economy overnight, so he does what he can.
I simply don't care what label you happen to use personally. Support the GM or banking bailouts and you're a statist tool. Period.
1. no you idiot "problems" are natural in the market. there is no getting rid of market corrections that are so large we give them names like depression or recession. you dont know what you are talking about.
2. what is your definition of socialism? you did not answer the question yet..
@AntiVenomFangX If you had a clue, you'd know how fiat currencies and fractional reserve banking have destroyed countless currencies worldwide. You probably don't even know what either term is.
As I said, the labels are blurred because "socialists" pretend to be moderates. Look how Obama ran from "socialist" when he's a complete totalitarian at heart.
A "Socialist" is a pussy Communist without the courage of their convictions. They really want to run everything, but can't get away with it yet.
i know what you are tlaking about. you seem to think that there is a perfect fix for moeny. there will always be problems. right now this is the most competitive thing we can do.
come on give me an adult definition of socialism. explain it to me dont just say communist..... please tell me you know what socialism is.
@AntiVenomFangX There are no "perfect" solutions to anything. There are tradeoffs involved in every aspect of life. There's "better" but not "perfect".
As for "socialism", it matters not. Whatever definition I use, you'll say "that's not 'real' socialism" or "that doesn't apply here".
Everything both political parties support involves control over our lives, all the while pretending their boot on our neck is for our own good. The degrees vary, but not the overall flow. That's what I oppose.
i just wanted to know what you consider socialism because you speak like someone who doesn't know what it is.
i wont tell you that it is wrong i just really want to know what you consider socialism, because the US has been socialist before it was ever called socialism.
@AntiVenomFangX I'd say we've been largely socialist for almost a complete century. No country is free without real money. It got much worse after the 1930s.
Still, no one definition will suffice. My HS text in 1990 said it was govt control of the utility companies like West Germany. East Germany said they were socialist and they were a near-complete command economy.
And I'm baffled how you can openly say we've been socialist for so long and still say bailing out GM is any kind of a good idea.
did they flat out say owning utility companies is socialism, or did they say east germany was socialist, and nationalized utility companies?
because we have been socialist for a long time, and for a company of that economic caliber would be devestating to a country that needs multinational revenue. do you not see the investment opportunity gm was?
the govt made a solid investment in gm. you will see someday..... and you will ignore it.
@AntiVenomFangX You're on crack. GM is already lying about paying back all the money the government gave them.. And they didn't bother to say in their bullshit commercial that they're angling for an even bigger loan from the DOE.
The government and unions destroyed this country. And together, they're going to fix GM?
yes i know how they are shuffling money around, and then advertising it as paying back the loans.
i agree unions do nothing but outsource jobs
the govt cant fix GM investors will fix gm
i think you need to wait and see how much of a good investment GM was. i dont buy stocks in companies when they are overpriced. i buy companies that are in trouble but have the resources available to build itself back. kinda like a bottomless pit of money via the fed.
@AntiVenomFangX You side with thieves over the rightful owners of the company. You think money forcibly taken from the population should be given to union thugs to continue their unmarketable ways.
I absolutely hope GM goes under regardless of the stupid interventionist policies of the feds. And I personally hope you invest more in GM and lose every penny. Because the dead weight isn't cleared til it goes bankrupt.
@AntiVenomFangX If you think the extra-legal bullshit the government pulled to STEAL money from the bondholders, then to take part for themselves and give another part to the unions, you are supporting extra-legal theft.
Just because some dipshits like you and Obama say it's cool, doesn't make it any less theft. It doesn't make it any more moral.
And supporting it makes you a moral degenerate asshole.
@AntiVenomFangX Brilliant response, jackass. Your ignorance is not my problem to fix. If you think the bondholders didn't get fucked, then fuck you and Obama.
@AntiVenomFangX This is about what Obama has done with GM, but it's not about the man personally. Jorge Bush fucked the country as well. I'd like to see them both hung as traitors, personally. So take your attempted partisan dismissal and shove it up your ass.
@AntiVenomFangX I have not the time or the inclination to further bother with you. Go to Lew Rockwell and the Von Mises institute. The materials there can explain the world really works better than I can. (And not the way it should work, mind you. The way it does work despite the idiot machinations of our "masters".)
we are talking about specific crimes that you pinned on two specific men.
a broad education will not fill me in and prove your SPECIFIC claims that so far are baseless. telling me to go to a school is not a base to a claim..... which is the obvious.
is that how we admit defeat these days? by saying "learn things from libertarians"
@AntiVenomFangX AIf you cannot off the top of your head cite multiple violations of the Constitution committed by both men, your ignorance obviously knows no bounds.
@AntiVenomFangX Jorge signed a law he said was unconstitutional. Obama's an illegal alien fraudulently holding office. Both deserve to die for their crimes. Happy now?
Now that's in fantasy land, where folks are actually called to account for their crimes. We live in a world where douchbags like you can maybe make money unjustly on the backs of the taxpayers.
i dont even know how to handle that kind of ignorance.there is nothing i can say to a person like you that wil change your mind. you speak about things that you provide ample evidence that you do not kno what you are talking about....and you dont believe me when i tell you that you do not know what you are talking about.
this is insane. i thought you birth certificate all did that whole lets ignore our ignorant comments so we can go on spewing ignorance about a politician thing.
@AntiVenomFangX Oh no. The statist bootlicker is conflicted. And a liar.
There has been no evidence establishing Nobama's bona fides. His lawyers have only Obamafuscated and filed motions. They've not produced one tiny shred of "evidence" in his defense.
Now the reason why could be a few things. Like his parentage isn't really what his "story" asserts and he didn't want that revealed. But considering the odd SSN issue now being revealed, I'm leaning more towards him being an illegal alien.
@AntiVenomFangX I have not the time or the inclination to further bother with you. Go to Lew Rockwell and the Von Mises institute. The materials there can explain the world really works better than I can.
And not the way it should work, mind you. The way it does work despite the idiot machinations of our would be masters.
so you think he pulled a fast one on the most well funded and highest regarded central intelligence agencies just by giving some bullshit.... you know nothing about america or the CIA
you sir are a weak and timid anti intellectual. this is only about obama. you know it deep down inside. throwing in "george bush too" isnt going to make you look any less like a chauvinist than you really are.
"the CIA cant figure out of obama is a citizen or not". hahahhahahahahah you flat out lose
@AntiVenomFangX Asshole, I have been speaking out against Jorge Bush since before the 04 elections.
What makes you think the CIA vets presidential candidates in the first place? Or that they would be competent in doing so?
The "highly regarded" CIA published literature stating the USSR was going to be a perpetual threat right up to its collapse. They mess up more than they get right, you moronic statist bootlicker.
i would love to see the effort you put into bush and compare it to obama., but this isnt even important
so you think a bunch of youtube trolls are more capable than the CIA, and so many more homeland security organization. or are you saying the CIA wont check even though there is such compelling evidence that eh is not a citizen.....right?
your the guy who said who cares if GM becomes part of chinas economy, you wished the govt to fail. you are just running on emotion.... im done
@AntiVenomFangX You're a pretentious cocksucker. I was calling for Bush to be impeached.
Again, exactly what makes you think the CIA checked at all? The guy was a sitting US senator. And if they found something, what makes you think they wouldn't bury it and blackmail him with it? Might explain why "Dr. Peace" is such a warmonger, wouldn't it?
I said I wanted GM bankrupt. I do want the Obama administration to fail miserably. Not emotion, just long term logic, you weeping vagina.
1. but there is reason to assume the contrary? please explain for i am just a moron.
2. What have i said thats wrong about economics? this is a good one.
3. ron paul thinks we should go to the gold standard..... he doesnt know how it will effect us. the only way the gold standard would benefit us is if the whole world converted with us, and we have the majority supply of gold.... then wars will be for gold this time.
4. stick to yelling at the tv. i think it wont laugh at you.
@AntiVenomFangX YOU made the assertion he was vetted yet provide no evidence of such. How am I to provide negative evidence?
You support govt intervention in the marketplace. You're either a corrupt corporatist or an ignoramus. I HOPE you're simply ignorant.
Being OFF the gold standard created the 1920's crash, the Great Depression and our messes ever since. But corporatists like you benefit, so I guess that's cool, right?
You're probably all FOR oil or gold wars. Have any Halliburton stock?
@AntiVenomFangX Again: YOU made the assertion. Where is your evidence for such an assertion? I cannot provide negative evidence that something DIDN'T happen.
If you have good reason to believe that it DID happen, provide your evidence.
This is not complicated in the least. But I guess it's your only defense.
Nice to note you'd rather debate this than anything relevant to the posted video. Guess you've ceded that you're a statist bootlicker?
youd ont need evidence to answer a yes or no question.... are you avoiding the yes or no question on purpose?
i already spoke about the video. you refused to learn. i moved on. this is really interesting how you think the highest office in america can be accessed by an illegal immigrant. are you afraid to stand up for your beliefs and maybe educate someone in the process?
These facts stand: Obama will not release his personal information. His SSN is apparently from Connecticut of all places. His father was a British subject which makes his "natural born status" an impossibility as he was AT BEST a dual-citizen. He most likely traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport as he wasn't a US citizen then either. Which creates other interesting issues regarding citizenship.
@AntiVenomFangX Well golly gee, Beav... If Obama would have not been a complete pussy and hid everything about his affirmative action life, maybe this wouldn't be an issue after he got into office, would it?
At worst, he's an illegal alien holding office and should be hung on the Supreme Court steps. At BEST, he's a total asshole willing to play games with the chain of command of the United States military.
i dont understand what he did that is so bad? the healthcare bill is the bastardization of republicans and moderates.
the economy is in much better shape since the day he saved it fomer president bush.
his only large spending was on stimulus... so it cant be the spending, because the reckless spending happened before his term. stimulus is necessary to keep a few jobs.
what is it that he did? and how can you be so sure what you believe is real and what i believe is fake?
@AntiVenomFangX Can you stick to a subject? They change with almost every post!
In case you missed it, I HATE REPUBLICANS! Jorge Bush, McCain and about everyone except Ron Paul have all violated their oaths and in a just world would be executed for it.
Obama hasn't "saved" anything. You don't fix runaway spending with more of the same. That's sheer idiocy. Keynsian "economics" don't work. Never have never will. Fiat currency and inflationary policy have imperiled the entire civilized world.
thats just the thing. stimulus spending isnt runaway spending. bush was spending like a moron. obama is stimulating a stagnant economy. which is good. that is why every single country that needed one did one.
if they dont work then how come it is what is working at the moment. how come it is making china more and more powerful and soon going to pass us. because over here we call it socialism and act like it will lead to total govt control.
@AntiVenomFangX You're obviously an Obamadroid. Unemployment figures are widely known to be vastly understated. And if it's working why are Obama's folks are already saying we need even more "stimulus"?
The US isn't singularly amazing in all of human history. You and other Obama supporters are in a dreamworld where the credit card limit will be increased forever. Deficit spending never works long term. The final bill's coming due and you whining babies want to keep going on your spending spree.
you dont know what a lagging indicator is?...... do you have any knowledge on the subject at all? you dont know what a laging indicator is?????? wtf are you talking about economics if you dont know something as basic as the word lagging indicator. do you just repeat things you hear on videos? what the fuck is this? you dont know what a lagging indicator is? and you speak any of economics!??!?!?!?
it wasnt an error. someone who uses the word Keynesian and makes that type of error is a fraud.
even when you edited your comment it still shows your lack of understanding. you dont even know what gave your ignorance away.
do you just watch video and read article then repeat what you have heard in your own words?
i cant take you seriously on this topic anymore, maybe we can talk about Miley Cyrus or Brittany Spears haha. just block me already i know how you people are.
@AntiVenomFangX I certainly get that you're a hysterical weeping vagina. If you're not a woman already, I'm sure you're looking into the sex change op.
so now being a woman is an insult? answer the question coward. go ahead and block me like all of you patriotic freedom of speech loving people do. you know you are going to do it coward.hjahahahahhahahahhahahahah
do you not see what you are doing here? there is no subject anymore because i dont take you seriously. go and block me now i know you do that sort of thing
@AntiVenomFangX I know exactly what I'm doing here: mocking you. You ascribe false motives, cannot stay on subject, try to smear folks with bullshit lies and have the integrity of a crack whore.
In short, you're a typical liberal douchebag.
No one reading your bullshit can believe you're a Republican that supports Obama and his bailouts but hates Bush's track record all the while emoting like a San Franciscan tranny.
You're a giant emotional, weeping liberal vagina. What's there NOT to mock?
1. Powerful/Continuing Nationalism 2. Disdain for Human Rights 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause 4. Military Supremacy 5. Rampant Sexism 6. Controlled Media 7. Obsession with National Security 8. Religion/Government are Intertwined 9. Corporate Power Protected 10. Labor Power Suppressed 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts 12. Obsession w/ Crime & Punishment 13. Rampant Cronyism/Corruption 14. Election Fraud
My claims have basis. Have you ever heard him speak? The zionist illuminati owns the world! The sky is falling! Bulderberg owns everything! I'm scared! I just made pudding in my pants!
he lures you in with a few good ideas, like auditing the fed or legalizing marijuana, or in this case, being against the bailouts. THEN you start paying close attention and you realize he's off his fucking rocker and wants to regress the country to the days of the wild west and robber barons and such.
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have you seen his voting record? he was against divesting interests in Sudan, he's against gay marriage, believes life begins at conception, and is an NWO conspiracy nut who believes the international Baccalaureate program is UN mind control. He's fucking crazy
I concur, but with one big exception. With one exception, I favor UHC. I firmly believe it's a wise investment. Other than that, fiscal conservatism is a big priority to me.
another short-sighted, clueless"modern" liberal. (1) he's against any foreign intervention - yes, it include everything from the war in iraq to troops in korea to economical interference in sudan. (2) he's against any federal laws dictating who/how can marry and who can't. it's a religious matter better left to states (3) he's a obgyn and a constitutionalist - liberty and pursuit of happiness (property) comes after 'life'. but again check the 10th amendament: let the states deal with it!
So you've skipped from an Ad Hominem fallacy to a Prejudicial Language fallacy.
You premise your statement with "no reasonable person can deny" which is in itself debatable and objective. This is prejudicial language.
Zeitgeist simply means "spirit of the times", so we are left wondering what a zeitgeist subscriber might be, and then you run back to the shelter of another Ad Hominem without addressing the topic at hand, Who Feels Good About General Motors?
1) If something is debatable it is not objective, it is subjective.
2) Zeitgeist obviously refers to the Youtube video series.
I'm just trollin Paul supporters, it's funny to watch undeserving pretension. Keep up your curiosity kid. I must warn you that Ron Paul & his conspiracy entourage have diluted ideologies derived from warped world views.
If you really want to expand your mind try philosophy. Nietzsche (ToI or Anti-Christ) for morality or Richardo (Principles) for econ.
He's been put out as the only hope against the Rep and Dem that are obviously crooked.
But listen to what he wants.
Deregulated free market. Just like America was in the 1800's. Let the market decide everything, who needs the opinion of the people when the dollar decides.
Private health care since most of America that doesn't have health care are probably immigrants or just not deserving of it.
Are you kidding me? Everyone (except for those who benefited) hated the auto bail out. Lol whats funny is GM wont be profitable. The reason GM went broke was because they bowed to the labor unions, and you support that?! Ever heard of Amtrak, scooter?
an ignorant confidence in the dollar is keeping its value high, so its not a matter of if, but when. He shouldn't have made a prediction though, in fact i doubt he said it would collapse, but that it was likely, which it was...
What do you mean he shouldn't have made the perdition? Its the Austrian school of economics that predicted it, and they're infallible. Just like how they predicted the collapse of the dollar in 1982 & 1992, and that totally happen for real.
Except that one of the first things you are taught as an Austrian is that you should make qualitative predictions without strict time horizons.
Austrians saw the 1929 crash in advance, they knew that Bretton-Woods was unsustainable from the beginning, they were the only ones with an explanation for the 70s stagflation and they saw the Nasdaq and housing bub
Coming from a guy with 70% of his family employed by GM.... GM should have NEVER been bailed out!.... Even my family with jobs on the line will tell you that...They don't want a job that burdens all other Americans for their personal benefit, nor do they want a job if it is not a sustainable job!... and after all that, the greed that created the problem still remains...
jcaled24 3 weeks ago
This guy is too smart to be president.
smallmaniac 3 weeks ago 2
@smallmaniac I am sure he came from an America in a different universe, where the media is honest and people are smart.
YasserTahr 3 weeks ago
why was there an obama ad before this?
apohl215 1 month ago
Bailing out GM was very much like buying a shopping mall so your kids can have a summer job. You will NEVER see those 50-60 billion dollars again.
And what did they do with the money.. They grabbed it and fled the country. Todays GMs are built in Canada, Brazil, Mexico and ofcourse lets not forget the 4-5 models that are simply rebadged Korean Daewoo. Chrysler was given away to Fiat for free to avoid a complete collapse. Not til things get better... Thats forever. So much for american cars.
Janusha 10 months ago 5
mmaier2112 has blocked me due to his lack of intelligence being pointed out to him in such a basic way that even he understands it. so he did what any free speech loving person would do... he blocked me so i guess that makes ihm the winner.
i blocked him because i have dealt with his type before. they block then unblock you to send antagonistic messages like a coward.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Why would I allow dipshits to pollute my wall? That has nothing to do with "free speech" you fucking faggot moron.
It's only censorship if the government does it. You drooling fucktard.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
hahahah your the real lif ekind of stupid. just censor me you failure.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX How could anyone argue with such a brilliant response?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
nothing you say has an effect on me. this is who you are.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Palin's retard son can out-think you.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
"it is only censorship if the govt does it"
hahahaha join me in a laugh wont you?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Those "friends" you think you have in real life? They're all laughing at you, not with you.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
you are nothing to me.... i dont understand why you keep trying. i must of left a mark on you because its more than a month later and YOU are the one talking to me... i respond with nothing but disrespect.
i pitty you.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You're like a little, brain-damaged mouse I can bat with my paw. It amuses me because you respond like such a hysterical, whining vagina.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
that is what you do with your time? so you admit to being a psychotic? you win!
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
mmaier2112 has blocked me due to his lack of intelligence being pointed out to him in such a basic way that even he understands it. so he did what any free speech loving person would do... he blocked me so i guess that makes ihm the winner.
i blocked him because i have dealt with his type before. they block then unblock you to send antagonistic messages like a coward.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
And I doubt anyone ELSE is reading, but if so, do note how rabidly this douche seized upon a small error and pretended it was something big.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
Hooray Ron Paul. Please read his GREAT book "End the Fed" and you will understand what this is all about !
WiseOneNoDrugs 2 years ago
He totally will. It's steamrolling quite quickly. Fed's days are numbered.
goredoctor999 2 years ago 4
there are allot of very wealthy people that do not want things to change. That is why Ron Paul is not our president.
380Banshee 2 years ago 11
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Yep. Strange coincidence that a lot of those folks just so happen to have some *cough* JEWISH FACTOR */cough* to them. Hey, no biggie. They only destroyed Europe with World War I and World War II. I'm sure after WWIII we can be just like fucking Germany in 1919 and get screwed into paying EVERYTHING TO EVERYBODY!
Not yelling at you, just pissed off, haha. Ron Paul, dammit, RON 'EFFIN PAUL IS THE MAN!
goredoctor999 2 years ago
From one Ron Paul supporter to another, the "Jewish factor"?? You're not one of those "Zionist conspiracy" people, are you?
JoeyBatz 2 years ago
What's the conspiracy? Zionism already took over this country and we already fight for the special interests of Israel. So what's the big conspiracy? It's fact.
goredoctor999 2 years ago
@380Banshee
ron paul is not our president because he supports going back to the gold standard... if you cant see the horrible logic behind it.
and the govt bought GM because if we didnt china would own them and then you would have ron paul saying "who feels good abotu china buying up GM?"
you cant win with a guy like ron paul because his ignorance is too strong.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
GM CEO Fritz is a real low life who steals from America's Veterans.
Check out my videos.
FloridaBiker 2 years ago
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General Motors is too big to fail.
honestrunescaper 2 years ago
lol
Spazzfrom1989 2 years ago
Spoken like a true Kool-Aid drinker.
Bankruptcies are nothing to fear unless you're bought and paid for by the AFL-CIO.
Ultimately, they're going to make everyone involved worse off. Unions don't care about workers. If they wanted to save jobs, they'd help to keep the companies solvent. Instead, they're going to keep crying to their incestuous Democratic partners in Congress to bail out "their" companies.
I'm never buying GM or any other RICO-stolen company's products - new OR used - again.
mmaier2112 2 years ago
@mmaier2112 good. buy toyota and die, moron.
gbmanhere 1 year ago
Another ass-kisser union member, eh? Typical.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112 You are another america last , exploit the working man,and kowtow to the rich man nut, eh? Typical reaganite rich get richer and the poor get poorer philosophy. Does your brainwashing include trickle down economics, too? Let me clue you in, it is percolate up economics. Without unions, this country would be the equivalent of modern-day china, but I am sure your ignorance would appreciate the exploitation.
gbmanhere 1 year ago
Not hardly, idiot. But nice ASSumptions.
The govt should not OWN automobile companies and screw shareholders in the process. Show me where that's allowed under the Constitution, please.
For that matter, show me where in the Constitution the feds can FORCE a company to negotiate with anyone, let alone a mobster-led crooked union.
Unions destroyed the industry in this country through THEIR unbridled greed. Their power is purely state-granted, immoral and too often enforced with mob violence.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
Quite the audacity to write about union unbridled greed, you are one ignorant ignoramus. The greed is on the other side of the negotiating table, always has been. Until we can educate idiots like you, the case will remain the same. I can only assume you're a descendant of a robber barron, nobody else would write such ignorant malarky. Historically speaking, the unions consistently have had violence perpetrated upon them by a collusion of gov't and industry forces.
gbmanhere 1 year ago
Right. Because cops don't turn away from the union mobs attacking scabs? You're either a naive fool or a propagandist.
I'm not a fan of the financial sector in the least, either. But shareholders don't have to be corporations. What about pensioners whose plans bought GM stock? Have any sympathy for them?
The entire Govt Motors buyout was beyond the pale to anyone concerned with the law. Obviously, you're not one of "them types".
Again, please show me IN THE CONSTITUTION where that power is.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112 The constitution gives the power to congress, I repeat congress, read it. Section I should suffice.
gbmanhere 1 year ago
@gbmanhere
Really? Which part exactly?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
ok i will ignore you missing my points, making personal insults, and put your personal attacks, to treat you like an adult. ill start by checking the constitution for your answer, but we all know the constitution was created in a time where they knew less about our current economies than just abotu all the human race on the earth these days.
so why is it so important to use an outdated manifesto to deal with real world 2010?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
Gov't can make any regulation they so desire upon a corporate entity, it has no protection under the constitution. Congress has the power over corporations, regardless of the fact that this corrupt supreme court decided a corporation is a person. Shareholders take a risk, oh too goddamn bad if they lose a little in the short term. Maybe they will actually have to produce something besides wallstreet wealth, wouldn't that be terrible.
gbmanhere 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
you are ignorant to economics. china would own gm right now if we did not buy them. china would of then made the money that our govt did off of its investments.
if you dont think china has an interest in buying out gm for a bargain discount price then you are flat out undeniably stupid.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You're a fucking imbecile.
Better GM BE foreign-owned that have the bastards in our government and the UAW running the show. GM was LOSING over $4000 per vehicle sold before the takeover. Exactly WHY should anyone care about its fate?
You're delusional if you think the UAW and Obama can make it truly profitable. They're already lying about "paying the govt back".
They're paying back a pittance of money WITH MONEY THE GOVT GAVE THEM to be able to borrow even more from the EPA.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
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"WHY should anyone care about its fate?" - you
this is proof of my claim. you dont know what you are talking about. go back to your little opinion news and yell at the tv some more.
if you care about the american economy then you should care about this multinationals fate, but if your stupid and or ignorant then you dont care nor will ever know why you should care.
good job making yourself look dumb. and yes yes yes i know you disagree that you are stupid we dont have to hear your defense
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX No, fool. If GM went bankrupt, some better managers could buy it, restructure its contracts and manufacturing and just maybe make it profitable.
How much is GM making per unit these days? Do you have a clue? I'm betting you don't.
Ford, I might buy someday. At least they're standing on their own right now.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
yes better managers could buy it, but we all know china would outbid them with ease... why are you pretending to know what you are talking about here?
i dont think you understand how important a company like GM is to our economy, military, jobs exports, and multinational income. ye sit is doing horribly now, but how do you see it as something that doesnt turn around. it is as important to the US as it is to china.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I simply do not care if it becomes foreign-owned. What are Chink owners going to do? Move the entire operation offshore? Then exactly where's the upside of buying it?
Only an idiot thinks Government Motors is going to magically become profitable without major restructuring. GM's massive union, pension and health-care liabilities haven't changed, have they?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i know you dont care... this is no mystery. you not caring proves my point. so basically you just handed me the win.... i dont understand what you are trying to do here
yes only an idiot thinks it will magically become profitable..... what exactly do you assume im thinking?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX "ou not caring proves my point. " What point is that? That I'm heartless? I'll save you the suspense: I'm not.
"handed me the win" ??? Are you high? Or are you actually saying the US govt should keep unprofitable corporations alive for the sake of jobs? Oh please, say yes. I'm laughing already, from your posts, but I always enjoy humour.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
no... not heartless..... stay with me here.
the point was you are ignorant to how much we need to keep GM as part of our economy. and you even said "i dont care if chinks buy it" or whatever ignorant ass shit you said.
like i said. sticj to yelling at the tv. you dont know how an economy works.
if china did ow GM i guarantee you would be bitching about it the same way your bitching about the bailout.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX No, we don't "need" to keep any specific company in our economy if they're not profitable. I do not care if the Chinks buy it if they make it profitable. I would not bitch about anyone buying GM under a bankruptcy sale or restructuring. Using tax dollars to keep unprofitable businesses "afloat" is a waste of money and resources.
Socialist morons like you never take that into account and I'M the one that doesn't know how an economy works?
Piss off.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
do you know anything about how businesses and the economy work? this is such a fucking weird conversation.
you dont like socialism? please give me your definition of socialism.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
Whether you use socialist, corporatist, fascist or Communist, it's all illegal govt interference in the market, which causes most of our problems from the start. Labels don't easily apply, probably by design.
Assholes like Obama are very likely Communists. But he doesn't have the balls to try and turn us into a command economy overnight, so he does what he can.
I simply don't care what label you happen to use personally. Support the GM or banking bailouts and you're a statist tool. Period.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
1. no you idiot "problems" are natural in the market. there is no getting rid of market corrections that are so large we give them names like depression or recession. you dont know what you are talking about.
2. what is your definition of socialism? you did not answer the question yet..
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX If you had a clue, you'd know how fiat currencies and fractional reserve banking have destroyed countless currencies worldwide. You probably don't even know what either term is.
As I said, the labels are blurred because "socialists" pretend to be moderates. Look how Obama ran from "socialist" when he's a complete totalitarian at heart.
A "Socialist" is a pussy Communist without the courage of their convictions. They really want to run everything, but can't get away with it yet.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i know what you are tlaking about. you seem to think that there is a perfect fix for moeny. there will always be problems. right now this is the most competitive thing we can do.
come on give me an adult definition of socialism. explain it to me dont just say communist..... please tell me you know what socialism is.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX There are no "perfect" solutions to anything. There are tradeoffs involved in every aspect of life. There's "better" but not "perfect".
As for "socialism", it matters not. Whatever definition I use, you'll say "that's not 'real' socialism" or "that doesn't apply here".
Everything both political parties support involves control over our lives, all the while pretending their boot on our neck is for our own good. The degrees vary, but not the overall flow. That's what I oppose.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i just wanted to know what you consider socialism because you speak like someone who doesn't know what it is.
i wont tell you that it is wrong i just really want to know what you consider socialism, because the US has been socialist before it was ever called socialism.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I'd say we've been largely socialist for almost a complete century. No country is free without real money. It got much worse after the 1930s.
Still, no one definition will suffice. My HS text in 1990 said it was govt control of the utility companies like West Germany. East Germany said they were socialist and they were a near-complete command economy.
And I'm baffled how you can openly say we've been socialist for so long and still say bailing out GM is any kind of a good idea.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
did they flat out say owning utility companies is socialism, or did they say east germany was socialist, and nationalized utility companies?
because we have been socialist for a long time, and for a company of that economic caliber would be devestating to a country that needs multinational revenue. do you not see the investment opportunity gm was?
the govt made a solid investment in gm. you will see someday..... and you will ignore it.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You're on crack. GM is already lying about paying back all the money the government gave them.. And they didn't bother to say in their bullshit commercial that they're angling for an even bigger loan from the DOE.
The government and unions destroyed this country. And together, they're going to fix GM?
I shan't be holding mine breath.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
yes i know how they are shuffling money around, and then advertising it as paying back the loans.
i agree unions do nothing but outsource jobs
the govt cant fix GM investors will fix gm
i think you need to wait and see how much of a good investment GM was. i dont buy stocks in companies when they are overpriced. i buy companies that are in trouble but have the resources available to build itself back. kinda like a bottomless pit of money via the fed.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX They already raped the bondholders and you think GM STOCK is a good idea?
Good luck with that.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
cant make everyone happy all of the time. reality hurts.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX In your case, you parasitical bastard, I hope you're dead right and you lose every penny.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
some deal with reality's sting better than others. looks like you chose to wish ill on another.
good luck with your form of logic. ive seen dumber people survive and live full lives, so im sure you will too.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You side with thieves over the rightful owners of the company. You think money forcibly taken from the population should be given to union thugs to continue their unmarketable ways.
I absolutely hope GM goes under regardless of the stupid interventionist policies of the feds. And I personally hope you invest more in GM and lose every penny. Because the dead weight isn't cleared til it goes bankrupt.
In short: FUCK OFF.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
who is thieves?
what is the definition of theif?
why cant you answer questions like an adult?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX If you think the extra-legal bullshit the government pulled to STEAL money from the bondholders, then to take part for themselves and give another part to the unions, you are supporting extra-legal theft.
Just because some dipshits like you and Obama say it's cool, doesn't make it any less theft. It doesn't make it any more moral.
And supporting it makes you a moral degenerate asshole.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
im interested. what did they do to steal from the bondholders? and take for themselves? and to give another part to the unions?
you used the word STEAL. prove your claim.
P.S. you didnt answer my questions like an adult.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX FUCK YOU. There's your adult response, you prick.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
thats not an intelligent or intellectual response. it is admitting defeat. you sir are a weak and timid debater.
what did they do to steal from bondholders? if you are not smart enough to back up your claims then my predictions of you are absolutely correct.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX If your predictions involved me telling you to go fuck yourself, you are correct.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX If you're not intelligent to use a search engine, you're stupid as well as corrupt.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
weak and timid.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Brilliant response, jackass. Your ignorance is not my problem to fix. If you think the bondholders didn't get fucked, then fuck you and Obama.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
just you talking about brilliant responses makes me laugh. i think exposed what this is about. its about obama isnt it? im sorry for you.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX This is about what Obama has done with GM, but it's not about the man personally. Jorge Bush fucked the country as well. I'd like to see them both hung as traitors, personally. So take your attempted partisan dismissal and shove it up your ass.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
what has george bush done?
what has obama done that deserves to be hung?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Read the Constitution, for comprehension. If that alone doesn't explain it, you're hopeless.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
if it is not constitutional then how did it happen? sounds to me like your beef is with the house and senate.
i want to know specifically what they did just to get on the same page as you. please answer.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I have not the time or the inclination to further bother with you. Go to Lew Rockwell and the Von Mises institute. The materials there can explain the world really works better than I can. (And not the way it should work, mind you. The way it does work despite the idiot machinations of our "masters".)
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
we are talking about specific crimes that you pinned on two specific men.
a broad education will not fill me in and prove your SPECIFIC claims that so far are baseless. telling me to go to a school is not a base to a claim..... which is the obvious.
is that how we admit defeat these days? by saying "learn things from libertarians"
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX AIf you cannot off the top of your head cite multiple violations of the Constitution committed by both men, your ignorance obviously knows no bounds.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i dont need them all just give me two each that are worthy of the death you said you wish upon them.
just two.... or one if thats too much for you.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Jorge signed a law he said was unconstitutional. Obama's an illegal alien fraudulently holding office. Both deserve to die for their crimes. Happy now?
Now that's in fantasy land, where folks are actually called to account for their crimes. We live in a world where douchbags like you can maybe make money unjustly on the backs of the taxpayers.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
illegal alien?
i dont even know how to handle that kind of ignorance.there is nothing i can say to a person like you that wil change your mind. you speak about things that you provide ample evidence that you do not kno what you are talking about....and you dont believe me when i tell you that you do not know what you are talking about.
this is insane. i thought you birth certificate all did that whole lets ignore our ignorant comments so we can go on spewing ignorance about a politician thing.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Keep your head in the sand, bitch. See if I care.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i don't know if i should laugh or cry.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Oh no. The statist bootlicker is conflicted. And a liar.
There has been no evidence establishing Nobama's bona fides. His lawyers have only Obamafuscated and filed motions. They've not produced one tiny shred of "evidence" in his defense.
Now the reason why could be a few things. Like his parentage isn't really what his "story" asserts and he didn't want that revealed. But considering the odd SSN issue now being revealed, I'm leaning more towards him being an illegal alien.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
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@AntiVenomFangX I have not the time or the inclination to further bother with you. Go to Lew Rockwell and the Von Mises institute. The materials there can explain the world really works better than I can.
And not the way it should work, mind you. The way it does work despite the idiot machinations of our would be masters.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
so you think he pulled a fast one on the most well funded and highest regarded central intelligence agencies just by giving some bullshit.... you know nothing about america or the CIA
you sir are a weak and timid anti intellectual. this is only about obama. you know it deep down inside. throwing in "george bush too" isnt going to make you look any less like a chauvinist than you really are.
"the CIA cant figure out of obama is a citizen or not". hahahhahahahahah you flat out lose
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Asshole, I have been speaking out against Jorge Bush since before the 04 elections.
What makes you think the CIA vets presidential candidates in the first place? Or that they would be competent in doing so?
The "highly regarded" CIA published literature stating the USSR was going to be a perpetual threat right up to its collapse. They mess up more than they get right, you moronic statist bootlicker.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i would love to see the effort you put into bush and compare it to obama., but this isnt even important
so you think a bunch of youtube trolls are more capable than the CIA, and so many more homeland security organization. or are you saying the CIA wont check even though there is such compelling evidence that eh is not a citizen.....right?
your the guy who said who cares if GM becomes part of chinas economy, you wished the govt to fail. you are just running on emotion.... im done
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You're a pretentious cocksucker. I was calling for Bush to be impeached.
Again, exactly what makes you think the CIA checked at all? The guy was a sitting US senator. And if they found something, what makes you think they wouldn't bury it and blackmail him with it? Might explain why "Dr. Peace" is such a warmonger, wouldn't it?
I said I wanted GM bankrupt. I do want the Obama administration to fail miserably. Not emotion, just long term logic, you weeping vagina.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
so you are telling me that you are more capable than the US government. in uncovering the truth about his place of birth?
yes it is emotion. that is why you need to hurl personal insults. because you are backed into a corner and you know im laughing at you.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX No, moron. Again, I'm telling you there's no reason to assume he was competently vetted.
No, liar. It's not emotion except maybe mirth. You are dead wrong on economics and the Constitution and you're too stupid to even realize it.
I am amused by your amusement. Because folks like Ron Paul and Peter Schiff were laughed at for years (or decades) and have been proven dead right.
Emoting vaginas like you will be proven wrong soon enough, not that you'll be man enough to admit it.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
1. but there is reason to assume the contrary? please explain for i am just a moron.
2. What have i said thats wrong about economics? this is a good one.
3. ron paul thinks we should go to the gold standard..... he doesnt know how it will effect us. the only way the gold standard would benefit us is if the whole world converted with us, and we have the majority supply of gold.... then wars will be for gold this time.
4. stick to yelling at the tv. i think it wont laugh at you.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX YOU made the assertion he was vetted yet provide no evidence of such. How am I to provide negative evidence?
You support govt intervention in the marketplace. You're either a corrupt corporatist or an ignoramus. I HOPE you're simply ignorant.
Being OFF the gold standard created the 1920's crash, the Great Depression and our messes ever since. But corporatists like you benefit, so I guess that's cool, right?
You're probably all FOR oil or gold wars. Have any Halliburton stock?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
1. but there is reason to assume the contrary? please explain for i am just a moron.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Again: YOU made the assertion. Where is your evidence for such an assertion? I cannot provide negative evidence that something DIDN'T happen.
If you have good reason to believe that it DID happen, provide your evidence.
This is not complicated in the least. But I guess it's your only defense.
Nice to note you'd rather debate this than anything relevant to the posted video. Guess you've ceded that you're a statist bootlicker?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
youd ont need evidence to answer a yes or no question.... are you avoiding the yes or no question on purpose?
i already spoke about the video. you refused to learn. i moved on. this is really interesting how you think the highest office in america can be accessed by an illegal immigrant. are you afraid to stand up for your beliefs and maybe educate someone in the process?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You are a tiresome anklebiter.
These facts stand: Obama will not release his personal information. His SSN is apparently from Connecticut of all places. His father was a British subject which makes his "natural born status" an impossibility as he was AT BEST a dual-citizen. He most likely traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport as he wasn't a US citizen then either. Which creates other interesting issues regarding citizenship.
Now kindly go fuck yourself.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
how can you tell that this is the real thing and not just a conspiracy theory?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Well golly gee, Beav... If Obama would have not been a complete pussy and hid everything about his affirmative action life, maybe this wouldn't be an issue after he got into office, would it?
At worst, he's an illegal alien holding office and should be hung on the Supreme Court steps. At BEST, he's a total asshole willing to play games with the chain of command of the United States military.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
i dont understand what he did that is so bad? the healthcare bill is the bastardization of republicans and moderates.
the economy is in much better shape since the day he saved it fomer president bush.
his only large spending was on stimulus... so it cant be the spending, because the reckless spending happened before his term. stimulus is necessary to keep a few jobs.
what is it that he did? and how can you be so sure what you believe is real and what i believe is fake?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Can you stick to a subject? They change with almost every post!
In case you missed it, I HATE REPUBLICANS! Jorge Bush, McCain and about everyone except Ron Paul have all violated their oaths and in a just world would be executed for it.
Obama hasn't "saved" anything. You don't fix runaway spending with more of the same. That's sheer idiocy. Keynsian "economics" don't work. Never have never will. Fiat currency and inflationary policy have imperiled the entire civilized world.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
thats just the thing. stimulus spending isnt runaway spending. bush was spending like a moron. obama is stimulating a stagnant economy. which is good. that is why every single country that needed one did one.
if they dont work then how come it is what is working at the moment. how come it is making china more and more powerful and soon going to pass us. because over here we call it socialism and act like it will lead to total govt control.
get out of your bubble the future is now
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX You're obviously an Obamadroid. Unemployment figures are widely known to be vastly understated. And if it's working why are Obama's folks are already saying we need even more "stimulus"?
The US isn't singularly amazing in all of human history. You and other Obama supporters are in a dreamworld where the credit card limit will be increased forever. Deficit spending never works long term. The final bill's coming due and you whining babies want to keep going on your spending spree.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
no not an obama droid. just focused on real issues and not a political ideology. how common for someone you to claim im a huge obama supporter.
i agree unemployment is a lagging indicator...nobody is claiming unemployment it the reason he is good.
did already work long term. we have been well over 100% debt to gdp ratio.. so i just shot you down once again
you mean bush's spending spree. obamas stimulus isnt a spending spree it is a costly compromise. to jumpstart a crashed economy
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX If the stimulus worked, why do we need more?
The unemployment numbers aren't lagging, they're outright false. You probably don't even know why.
I never brought up debt to gdp ratio so you whatever target you thought you were aiming at, you missed. Didn't shoot down shit.
Definitely an Obamadroid. And either a liar or just too stupid to realize it. And judging by your canned responses, I'm leaning to stupid.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
"The unemployment numbers aren't lagging"
you dont know what a lagging indicator is?...... do you have any knowledge on the subject at all? you dont know what a laging indicator is?????? wtf are you talking about economics if you dont know something as basic as the word lagging indicator. do you just repeat things you hear on videos? what the fuck is this? you dont know what a lagging indicator is? and you speak any of economics!??!?!?!?
and now im supposed to take you seriously?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Pay REALLY CLOSE attention, because this one little victory is probably going to be the biggest thrill of your entire life...
Alow me to edit: "The unemployment numbers aren't JUST lagging,..."
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
it wasnt an error. someone who uses the word Keynesian and makes that type of error is a fraud.
even when you edited your comment it still shows your lack of understanding. you dont even know what gave your ignorance away.
do you just watch video and read article then repeat what you have heard in your own words?
i cant take you seriously on this topic anymore, maybe we can talk about Miley Cyrus or Brittany Spears haha. just block me already i know how you people are.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Ahhhh, yes. Now you're a mind reader on top of being an economic genius.
The liberal douchebag specialty: declaring oneself the winner despite all evidence to the contrary.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
ANYONE WHO USES THE WORD KEYNESIAN AND THEN DOESNT UNDERSTAND WHAT A LAGGING INDICATOR IS IS A FRAUD.
EVEN WHEN YOU CORRECTED YOURSELF YOU SHOWED ME YOUR FRAUDULENCE... AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT YOU DID THAT PROVES YOUR IGNORANCE.
YOU SIR ARE A FRAUD.
and for the record im a republican stupid. get a clue
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Your desperation is showing.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
you just don't get it do you?
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I certainly get that you're a hysterical weeping vagina. If you're not a woman already, I'm sure you're looking into the sex change op.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
so now being a woman is an insult? you are quite the intellectual sir.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX Don't you have some tiny nit to pick, little bitch?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
so now being a woman is an insult? answer the question coward. go ahead and block me like all of you patriotic freedom of speech loving people do. you know you are going to do it coward.hjahahahahhahahahhahahahah
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX The queer that prefers to change to subject at a moment's notice is calling someone a coward. Too funny.
Yes, little bitch. Calling a man a woman is most certainly an insult. Only geldings think otherwise.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
do you not see what you are doing here? there is no subject anymore because i dont take you seriously. go and block me now i know you do that sort of thing
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I know exactly what I'm doing here: mocking you. You ascribe false motives, cannot stay on subject, try to smear folks with bullshit lies and have the integrity of a crack whore.
In short, you're a typical liberal douchebag.
No one reading your bullshit can believe you're a Republican that supports Obama and his bailouts but hates Bush's track record all the while emoting like a San Franciscan tranny.
You're a giant emotional, weeping liberal vagina. What's there NOT to mock?
mmaier2112 1 year ago
@mmaier2112
"The unemployment numbers aren't lagging" hahahhaa i love you
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX
hahaha hold on it wouldnt be fair unless i show your "editing"
"Alow me to edit: "The unemployment numbers aren't JUST lagging,..." " - you
GO AHEAD AND MOCK ME, THE JOKE IS ALWAYS ON YOU.
AntiVenomFangX 1 year ago
@AntiVenomFangX I knew you were a fag.
And a most pathetic one at that; crowing about an error already conceded. But I'm sure that's the best shot you have to take so enjoy it.
Funny... just like I said, that concession would be the high point of your life. So easy to predict, too.
mmaier2112 1 year ago
ron paul is literally a genius, id love to think with his brain for just one day
Phatweb 2 years ago 10
Read Economics, Read as much as you can. Start with "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell.
Then read "housing boom and bust" by the same author. You will think like Dr. Paul.
jgpenate 2 years ago
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14 identifying characteristics of fascism
1. Powerful/Continuing Nationalism 2. Disdain for Human Rights 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause 4. Military Supremacy 5. Rampant Sexism 6. Controlled Media 7. Obsession with National Security 8. Religion/Government are Intertwined 9. Corporate Power Protected 10. Labor Power Suppressed 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts 12. Obsession w/ Crime & Punishment 13. Rampant Cronyism/Corruption 14. Election Fraud
lovehaightorg 2 years ago
Ron Paul is right-on!
freesk8 2 years ago 2
I think Ron Paul has dementia.
He's paranoid & making claims with no basis.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
Like you just did?
garvess 2 years ago
My claims have basis. Have you ever heard him speak? The zionist illuminati owns the world! The sky is falling! Bulderberg owns everything! I'm scared! I just made pudding in my pants!
BigPurple121 2 years ago
Cite your source for any of these statements. Any of them. Show us a single quote that matches anything you just said.
032125 2 years ago
I'm extrapolating his beliefs from his statements. No reasonable person can deny Ron Paul supporters and zeitgeist subscribers are one and the same.
I also figured he poops his pants due to his case of late term Alzheimer's.
Ron Paul is a joke. No one will ever take him serious because he is fucking insane.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
he lures you in with a few good ideas, like auditing the fed or legalizing marijuana, or in this case, being against the bailouts. THEN you start paying close attention and you realize he's off his fucking rocker and wants to regress the country to the days of the wild west and robber barons and such.
MagellansUnderwear 2 years ago
No he's not you're nuts. Besides everything that you just said- no other politician stands for those ideas.
HeatForce 2 years ago
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have you seen his voting record? he was against divesting interests in Sudan, he's against gay marriage, believes life begins at conception, and is an NWO conspiracy nut who believes the international Baccalaureate program is UN mind control. He's fucking crazy
MagellansUnderwear 2 years ago
economically hes the fuckin masta though
specialmike140 2 years ago
I concur, but with one big exception. With one exception, I favor UHC. I firmly believe it's a wise investment. Other than that, fiscal conservatism is a big priority to me.
MagellansUnderwear 2 years ago
you just gotta watch the full video on ForaTV where he lectures Bert Ely and Gilbert Schwartz (at Cato).
tooltalk 2 years ago
Life does begin at conception and how you could think otherwise is beyond me.
Ristogod 2 years ago
another short-sighted, clueless"modern" liberal. (1) he's against any foreign intervention - yes, it include everything from the war in iraq to troops in korea to economical interference in sudan. (2) he's against any federal laws dictating who/how can marry and who can't. it's a religious matter better left to states (3) he's a obgyn and a constitutionalist - liberty and pursuit of happiness (property) comes after 'life'. but again check the 10th amendament: let the states deal with it!
tooltalk 2 years ago
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tooltalk 2 years ago
lol really apparently you're the joke becuase you're big and purple. Who did you vote for by the way...
HeatForce 2 years ago
So you've skipped from an Ad Hominem fallacy to a Prejudicial Language fallacy.
You premise your statement with "no reasonable person can deny" which is in itself debatable and objective. This is prejudicial language.
Zeitgeist simply means "spirit of the times", so we are left wondering what a zeitgeist subscriber might be, and then you run back to the shelter of another Ad Hominem without addressing the topic at hand, Who Feels Good About General Motors?
Keep talking.
032125 2 years ago
1) If something is debatable it is not objective, it is subjective.
2) Zeitgeist obviously refers to the Youtube video series.
I'm just trollin Paul supporters, it's funny to watch undeserving pretension. Keep up your curiosity kid. I must warn you that Ron Paul & his conspiracy entourage have diluted ideologies derived from warped world views.
If you really want to expand your mind try philosophy. Nietzsche (ToI or Anti-Christ) for morality or Richardo (Principles) for econ.
BigPurple121 2 years ago
You got it BigPurple121.
He's been put out as the only hope against the Rep and Dem that are obviously crooked.
But listen to what he wants.
Deregulated free market. Just like America was in the 1800's. Let the market decide everything, who needs the opinion of the people when the dollar decides.
Private health care since most of America that doesn't have health care are probably immigrants or just not deserving of it.
MilanTbay 2 years ago
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starlake20 2 years ago
They are the people with money 20 year old.
Ain't going to argue with a twerp calling people idiots.
Come back in 20 years when you know something.
MilanTbay 2 years ago
Support the helpless,
not the clueless.
GBS990 2 years ago
Ron Paul = Psychopath
BigPurple121 2 years ago
Way to go man, you've fallen into the classic logical fallacy of the Ad Hominem attack.
If you have a case against Dr Paul's statements then make it, but don't waste everyone's time spouting insults that avoid real dialogue.
032125 2 years ago
Just saying he's a fucking retard. I mean seriously have you ever listened to anything he says? Total idiot
BigPurple121 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? Everyone (except for those who benefited) hated the auto bail out. Lol whats funny is GM wont be profitable. The reason GM went broke was because they bowed to the labor unions, and you support that?! Ever heard of Amtrak, scooter?
HeatForce 2 years ago
i used to like GM now the BMW is so much more superior.
320iguy 2 years ago
Genius.
kaxitaksi 2 years ago
Corporations are pro-capitalist in good times, but they are pro-socialist (bailout=government welfare) in bad ones. Funny.
pluto545 2 years ago
Ron Paul is a genius.
Scoforever 2 years ago
Hey Paul , 6 month ago you said the collapse of the american dollar would happen in 3 month, hows that going ?
silversalvo 2 years ago
an ignorant confidence in the dollar is keeping its value high, so its not a matter of if, but when. He shouldn't have made a prediction though, in fact i doubt he said it would collapse, but that it was likely, which it was...
thane17 2 years ago
What do you mean he shouldn't have made the perdition? Its the Austrian school of economics that predicted it, and they're infallible. Just like how they predicted the collapse of the dollar in 1982 & 1992, and that totally happen for real.
silversalvo 2 years ago
Sorry, I ment to say that he shouldn't have predicted "when" it was going to happen, but just stuck with the fact that it "is" going to happen
thane17 2 years ago
Except that one of the first things you are taught as an Austrian is that you should make qualitative predictions without strict time horizons.
Austrians saw the 1929 crash in advance, they knew that Bretton-Woods was unsustainable from the beginning, they were the only ones with an explanation for the 70s stagflation and they saw the Nasdaq and housing bub