Depth Jumps (about 21 inch) and split squats

[DanPrinMan]

The singer in this song sounds like a Savant or just challenged.

The music itself is pretty awesome though.

[winenj1]

You are extremely right about shoes being a crutch... Especially once your able to really strengthen your feet you'll see a vast improvement. I try to do as much barefoot training as possible.. All my lowerbody ground based lifts as well as plyos i do barefoot

[nba8340]

yeh i'll have to start incorporating barefoot training as much as i can

[DanPrinMan]

@nba8340

Barefoot and in the grass (or soft ground) is best. Looks good, bro.

[nba8340]

yeh, i'll have to incorporate it into my training more. this is the second time where i have actually tried it in my training and noticed a big difference both times.

[oneonly606]

i know what you mean but if you wait till they get stronger and try you will have to get use to the movement

[nba8340]

maybe or maybe with the muscle change/balance i will automatically start dipping lower without even thinking about it

thanks for the input though man

put up your vids so we can see where your at

[oneonly606]

they are talking about the approach is a 1/4 squat ill put one up sooner or later when my vert gets to where i want it to be lol if you only go 1/4 into a vert jump you will not use your glutes which plays a vital role in your jump

[nba8340]

again i know what your saying as i said but it wouldn't make sense for me to change that now my quads are a lot stronger than my p chain and doing what your saying would take the leverage advantage away from my quads and give it to my p chain which is weak now so it wouldn't help my jump

[nba8340]

a jump can be like a 1/2 squat also you wouldn't go parallel though

put up the vid yo so i can see how you jump. let me see that technique

[DanPrinMan]

@nba8340

If you can get something to reach up and touch on every repetition jump, you could keep track not only of how high you jump each time (tracking your progress), but also to make sure you're jumping with maximum effort on every jump. It's just an assurance thing.

[oneonly606]

lol i dont mean a complete full squat but the lower you go the more it works the glutes and if a rubber band goes too far back doesnt it pop? i dont mean to go low i mean go like parallel because thats what you are kind of practicing when you do a parallel squat and i didnt know you were injured how did u manage that and if you are injured why are you training?

[nba8340]

i'm not training now, i'm not really injured i have a few minor things that could get really serious if i don't take care of them now which is what i'm going to do before i get back and start training hard

i think your idea with the rubber band is off, that's not exactly how it works. If you ever have read kelly baggett's articles or other strength coaches they always compare to a vertical jump as a 1/4 squat (not a 1/2 or full squat) bcs it's not you shouldn't be going down to about parallel

[nba8340]

put up a vid of yourself jumping so i can see man

[oneonly606]

example if you pull a rubber band back the farther you pull it the more force you get out of it same as muscles and you probably dont jump as high when you go lower because you dont go lower fast enough you might slow down a bit that why you dont get as high go down to about parellel and explode up thats the purpose of squats to build all those muscles at once and strengthen them why strengthen your gluten and hamstrings if you are not going to use em?

[nba8340]

jumping isn't exactly like the rubber band thing your saying. That's more for like the achilles example. According to what your saying then if i did a complete full squat to the ground and then jumped i would get the highest when obviously that's not true.

i'm gonna get back to training hard once i fix up these injuries/flexibility

when i get stronger/squatting and stuff it will affect my jump, no reason to change anything now

I get what your saying but i disagree with you

[nba8340]

the jumping form isn't the reason i'm not getting a lot higher now, it's the stupid little injuries/flexibility and the fact that i haven't gotten much stronger

the first priority for me right now is to get back to 100% health and then start training real hard again and get a shitload stronger

[nba8340]

appreciate the input

[oneonly606]

do you notice that you completed the vert freak program and you are not dunking yet? if you wanna let bein quad dominant be your excuse and stop you from reaching your potential then dont change i am just trying to help you because your jump seems the same from the first vid i ever saw you post and did you ever think to realise why that is? thats all i have to say the end of the day its you that isnt going to reach your potential

[nba8340]

yeh i noticed i completed it and am not dunking. I shouldn't have done the program, had knee pain and wasn't able to squat and stuff correctly so i didn't see much gains.

Quad dominant has nothing to do with an excuse

If i dipped lower it wouldn't make sense as my quads are a shitload stronger than my p chain right now and i don't have the p chain strength to jump as high and i would be using my quads much less i would be jumping a lot lower

[oneonly606]

you are not using alot of your lower body muscle if you are not much you are only using your quads and dont say because you are quad dominant you still have muscles in your glutes ect so doesnt really matter how weak they will still help you get higher but they cant if you dont bend lower if you ever wanna be able to jump high off of vertical you ned to learn to go lower at first it feels uncomfortable but after a while you will see its like jumping form

[nba8340]

i know what your saying but i still don't necessarily agree with you

[nba8340]

give me some more evidence/reason

[oneonly606]

oh still practice going lower you will be lower at first but when u get the hang of it you will jump alot higher its like jumping form

[nba8340]

not sure if i agree with that, things like swinging arms and stuff yes but not sure if i would have someone change how much they bend naturally unless they were way off

[oneonly606]

not the depth drop the vert jumps in the beginning go lower and explode up

[nba8340]

that's how i jump, if i tried to go lower and explode up i wouldn't get as high

i'm quad dominant

[oneonly606]

you should go lower than what you go when performing vertical jumps like you did in the beginning

[nba8340]

not sure what you mean??

[nba8340]

the intent is to get as much hieght as possible

[nba8340]

while absorbing the force and getting off the ground quickly