Also, people may take a while to stow their luggage, blocking others while doing so, wasting even more time. That's why the government needs 9 platforms for long distance trains. It allows for much more time for the passengers to get ready and give even more slack room in case of unexpected occurances. In the end, the Kam Sheung Road station would have to be much bigger, causing problems with the roads and river!
Also, people may take a while to stow their luggage, blocking others while doing so, wasting even more time. That's why the government needs 9 platforms for long distance trains. It allows for much more time for the passengers to get ready and give even more slack room in case of unexpected occurances. In the end, the Kam Sheung Road station would have to be much bigger, causing problems with the roads and river!
Allow for a small time gap before the next train arrives on the platform (at least 1 min)
That effectively leaves at most 21 mins for passengers to board. Given the large number of passengers (up to 1200) and their heavy luggage, and that each train has around 30 doors, each passenger has at most only 31.5 seconds to board, and that's assuming that the passengers come evenly for the duration! Normally, the closer to departure, the more people would come.
The problem with this 6+4 proposal is that 30 minutes might not be enough for everyone to board the train, assuming that they are using only 2 platforms to handle the departing trains.
After all you need to do the following in the 30 minutes:
Allow the train to enter the platform and stop (2 mins)
Allow passengers to board
Stop checking tickets and perform final checks before departure (5-10 mins)
@jy3021 But you need to destroy their village and 50 yrs village connection which is unfair!!!! NT should develop, but the Gov need to communicate civilian to reach their, so they can avoid the oppose raise mate. which is Gov didn't do.
@jy3021 Also The Gov Policy just connect to west kowloon, which is using the NT land to build a station in west kowloon, this is NOT AFFAIR to our NT people, and make yourself clear point when you make a conversation. :D
如果將高鐵站起在錦上路，那不要起算了，因為路程這麼短完全無意思。而且從我家到元朗非常費時，絕對無可能會坐。我最後只會選擇坐港鐵到深圳轉高鐵,如高鐵起在西九，反而方便了我，所以我支持政府的方案，雖然真的很貴，但再不起問題更多，成本會更貴。
nichoysw 1 year ago
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Also, people may take a while to stow their luggage, blocking others while doing so, wasting even more time. That's why the government needs 9 platforms for long distance trains. It allows for much more time for the passengers to get ready and give even more slack room in case of unexpected occurances. In the end, the Kam Sheung Road station would have to be much bigger, causing problems with the roads and river!
kylohk 1 year ago
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Also, people may take a while to stow their luggage, blocking others while doing so, wasting even more time. That's why the government needs 9 platforms for long distance trains. It allows for much more time for the passengers to get ready and give even more slack room in case of unexpected occurances. In the end, the Kam Sheung Road station would have to be much bigger, causing problems with the roads and river!
kylohk 1 year ago
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kylohk 1 year ago
Allow for a small time gap before the next train arrives on the platform (at least 1 min)
That effectively leaves at most 21 mins for passengers to board. Given the large number of passengers (up to 1200) and their heavy luggage, and that each train has around 30 doors, each passenger has at most only 31.5 seconds to board, and that's assuming that the passengers come evenly for the duration! Normally, the closer to departure, the more people would come.
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kylohk 1 year ago
The problem with this 6+4 proposal is that 30 minutes might not be enough for everyone to board the train, assuming that they are using only 2 platforms to handle the departing trains.
After all you need to do the following in the 30 minutes:
Allow the train to enter the platform and stop (2 mins)
Allow passengers to board
Stop checking tickets and perform final checks before departure (5-10 mins)
Let the train leave the platform (1 min)
(cont'd)
kylohk 1 year ago
jy3021 2 years ago
@jy3021 第一part講左人流問題啦,smart boy.
MyaWhite 1 year ago
本來上落客的時間是車長的休息時間 ,
您既想法是要再啟動列車 ,
甘樣 , 列車車長既休息時間都無哂喇 !
jy3021 2 years ago
@jy3021 車長唔可以中途接換,日本新幹線都係咁
MyaWhite 1 year ago
jy3021 2 years ago
@jy3021 専業聯盟來去只見到兩個人:上佢地個website啦.....唉....
開法新界 , 影響更多新界居民 ,
比菜園村更甚 ! 好多人住新界係想遠離煩囂 ,: 跟你個邏輯,係新界咩都唔起就好lo,我怕新界人斬你都有份,我都係新界人...lol
我不知幾想係錦上路起,接掌北環線,我係新界east幾方便...
MyaWhite 1 year ago
依你所見,菜園村的居民應該好高興地迎接高鐵 ,
但我看到的事實又唔係咁喎 !
唔通菜園村不是新界地方 ?
想清楚未呀 ?
jy3021 1 year ago
@jy3021 But you need to destroy their village and 50 yrs village connection which is unfair!!!! NT should develop, but the Gov need to communicate civilian to reach their, so they can avoid the oppose raise mate. which is Gov didn't do.
MyaWhite 1 year ago
@jy3021 Also The Gov Policy just connect to west kowloon, which is using the NT land to build a station in west kowloon, this is NOT AFFAIR to our NT people, and make yourself clear point when you make a conversation. :D
MyaWhite 1 year ago
@MyaWhite 呢d jy3021都唔答,只識picking on word....
MyaWhite 1 year ago
@MyaWhite NOT FAIR***
MyaWhite 1 year ago
俾啲時間你搵吓 ,
有邊個發達國家將個高鐵總站設計到好似梁博士咁樣 , 搵到當你嬴 !
jy3021 1 year ago
@jy3021 Due to design, every nation have a slightly different but the closest design is Osaka City JR part, they have this type of design.
MyaWhite 1 year ago
唔好玩我 !
大阪站有十三條路軌架 !
jy3021 1 year ago
@jy3021 我話個jr design都係用呢個設計
MyaWhite 1 year ago
@MyaWhite
節錄閣下言論 : "我怕新界人斬你都有份,我 都係新界人...lol"
須然言論自由是最重要 ,
但係不必要的煽動和恐嚇言詞 ,
是要負責任的 , 自律一點 .
jy3021 1 year ago
@jy3021 咩我真係斬你, 你知唔知咩野叫lol,查左先話我有無恐嚇.....如果你查左都咁驚...我怕你精神有問題...因為講笑都當真.....
MyaWhite 1 year ago
此人完全不懂網絡發言的界線 ,只懂亂噙無胃 ,好老實講,閣下完全唔懂専重別人意見 ,
費事教精你 .
jy3021 1 year ago
@jy3021 lol
MyaWhite 1 year ago
我贊成中央政府興建高鐵，但作為一個爲人民服務的領導人面對一份 好似高鐵的方案，都會爲節省三百多億元人民公帑作一些考慮，停一 停，想一想，但特首你無做到。
MrKin137 2 years ago
多左條跨海大橋, 你估到時d 環保人士嘈唔嘈你?! 你d數口都幾好ga wor~咩都係岩岩好岩岩好~到時有咩delay做好笑~平時搭long-haul flight都好多時delay, 真係一d都唔出奇。
其實假設你講既野係岩, 咁點解gov.要洗多咁多錢，去做一個咁差既方案?
當然我唔係咩"專家"，我只係覺得gov.有佢既原因。
cheuk 2 years ago
@cheuk 其實而家佢起市中心只載人,他朝一日都會好似新幹線載貨,大家有無想想物運問題呢??市中心會有地方咩??唔通又要起多條路.....
MyaWhite 1 year ago
@MyaWhite 客運專線唔會載貨, 國內舊有既火車軌先會載貨
chisinchai 1 year ago 9
5:37 起少一半距離隧道但多了一條900米跨海大橋，造價還可比政府的省一半，那條跨海大橋真的是這麼便宜嗎?有沒有多點資料可提供?
10個月台的架空車站加上離開車站後那段架空走線是否意味着要收土地?這樣的設計在建造和高鐵啟用後會否對石崗一帶會造成不良的環境影響?
將這樣大的project擺起石崗會否令到石崗過度發展?如多了些(度密度鄉郊)住宅、商店等?
jungspund01 2 years ago
除左6個月台唔夠長途車用之外, 「6+4」既4個短月台都無預留增加班次既空間, 與及意外或delay時的需要。
由於短月台來往深圳廣州既列車班次更頻密, 萬一有delay時後備月台發揮的作用更大。而唔會發生數班列車在路軌上排隊等果4個月台。
chisinchai 2 years ago 2
@chisinchai 列車delay大多原因都係天氣或故障,唔會因乖客多少......乘客自然等候,這個正如等火車一樣, 乖高鐵不是eat快餐,唔係即叫即有
MyaWhite 1 year ago
@MyaWhite 我幾時提過 "列車delay原因係因乘客多少"?
chisinchai 1 year ago 5
高鐵港段通車會到達16個城市,而北京上海的班次多達5班,即係共24班車,而唔係所謂「專家」吹既16班。
所謂「專家」亦唔了解鐵路運作,以為班次一定可以平均分配係一日當中。
6個月台好明顯唔預計將來班次增加.
萬一列車於站內發生意外, 或其他原因而有delay, 由北邊內地來既列車就會係路軌上排晒隊等月台用。
chisinchai 2 years ago
徒步12分鐘，佢係點計出o黎呢？係行地面、行路面，
香港站行去中環站，或者尖東站行去尖沙咀站，行上地面同埋行地底專用通道o係時間上的分別有多大不難察覺。佢話12分鐘好似好有理據咁 ，我又見唔到佢講錦上路2分鐘有咩support。
scg980065 2 years ago
@scg980065
watch?v=1U5OFklYrW0
實地測試將會更有說服力。以上為2009/11/26 TVB新聞透視節目PART 3，他曾經從離西九較近的九龍站徒步到西九，在考慮預計會建造的行人天橋下需要約12分鐘。九龍站需要12分鐘，更不用考慮更加遠，而且更常用的的荃灣線港鐵站如佐敦/尖沙咀等。
有時間不妨從頭看一次上面的節目。旁邊related video 有。
cy96234 2 years ago
點解o係西九就坐巴士的士離開，
o係錦上路就坐港鐵離開？
錦上路轉港鐵點方便都唔夠西九轉港鐵咁方便啦
scg980065 2 years ago
@scg980065
雖然西九位處市中心旁，但未必比錦上路方便。根據政府規劃，乘客於西九站落車要徒步約１２分鐘走到佐敦/尖沙咀等港鐵站轉車，或利用巴士的士等交通工具，勢必令現時接近飽和的彌敦道更擠塞
而未來將會有北環線連接錦上路及東鐵落馬洲，連同西鐵及機鐵支線，轉車將比於西九更便捷。
建議你更詳細了解一下西九方案的利與弊
cy96234 2 years ago
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scg980065 2 years ago
睇下大陸有幾多月台喇！
同埋要預有後備架ma!!!
ivanlai920 2 years ago
其實佢有冇參觀過國內高鐵總站?
6個月台12車+4個短台8車
仲有好似一樓講 呢架係高鐵 唔係地鐵 要預足夠時間應付任何情況
geminass4000 2 years ago
低能架呢條友!? 知唔知火車會delay架!? 常識都冇! 如果佢咁講都通, 機場唔洗咁多pier啦!
critichk 2 years ago 2
如果在錦上路起，會有分別嗎??
分別在....會係由另外一班人反對??
biscuitlai 2 years ago
點解唔洗起緊急救援站ge？
其他都好有說服力, 俾心機
真係好期待政府回應
hiandbye123456789 2 years ago
Very clearly explained.
Look like 有 sense...
Government : any response please ?
wc200709 2 years ago
Great! Clearly mentioned all the pros and cons of the railway!! Support the Pro commons!!!
kennethiu1986 2 years ago
支持!
arrryuan 2 years ago
佩服！
twobeijingcats 2 years ago