Massive Muslim rally: HT Indonesia (2008) re Ahmadiyyah

[samabd1987]

ahmadis and qadianis are kaafirs!!!

[TheRookie786]

There is a simple resolution to this whole ahmadiyya problem. Stop using islam on your websites and in your other propaganda materials and we the followers of OUR BELOVED PROPHET WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE.

[xtremeownage2]

Great job Indonesian Muslim bros/sisters!

These Qadiani (so called Ahmadi) are KAFFIRS!

Mirza Ghulam was a British agent, liar, pervert, ugly scumbag!

[XaliberDeathlock]

So now he is not a British agent, liar, pervert, ugly scumbag. :P

[shnizzlelillylex]

ahmadiyya and israel are best friends.

that's all i need to know about them!

[XaliberDeathlock]

What the hell? I see no relation within them. Religion shit #3: if shit happens, blame Israel. Duh.

[shnizzlelillylex]

israel publishes their material. there are ahmadiyya in israel that hosts dinner for the PM

[XaliberDeathlock]

Interesting. That doesn't make them best friends, though.

[shnizzlelillylex]

of course it does..

[XaliberDeathlock]

Sorry for the late reply. Hmm, okay, let us assume that they are best friends. And so...?

[shnizzlelillylex]

israel is the biggest enemy of muslims. Israel has done so much evil and caused so much oppression to us. It just tells you Ahmadis are bad news.

[XaliberDeathlock]

So? Best friends don't make you always go together. It is called politics.

[shnizzlelillylex]

lol so politics is more important than muslim loyalty? y am i not surprised. ahmadiyya knows how to twist everything.

[XaliberDeathlock]

...lol. Just lol.

You seem not to get what I meant. Am I being not clear or...?

No shit, I mean at the moment perhaps Ahmadiyya and Israel are best friends. But in few years or so, who knows? They could be enemies.

This is not uncommon. We can see the example back in early history; the conflict between Nizari Muslims and Fatimi Empire.

[shnizzlelillylex]

just whatever....whatever

I'm talking about NOW. NOW israel is oppressing muslims. NOW ahmadiyya invites Israeli PM and ministers in their mosques for special dinners. NOW israel prints their material. Now, how can a group who claims to be the "true islam' and 'love for all hatered for none' shit supports such a racist and evil country?

[XaliberDeathlock]

Well, yeah. Years ago, Nizari Muslims are against Fatimi Empire (which at their time they see as 'NOW'). Years after years passed, and Nizari Muslims allied with the Fatimi after all (which at their time they see as 'FUTURE' [which they couldn't predict] ).

See? That is politics.

The only reason why we, Muslims, could be united now is because we have common enemies.

[XaliberDeathlock]

We will fight each other when we found a scapegoat within the flag of 'Islam' (not to be mean, but I think it is like what are you doing now) or when the common enemies are not present.

In its simplest form, let us look back to Shia x Sunni dispute.

[shnizzlelillylex]

uhhh ummah unity is a big part of islam, i totally despise the whole sunni/shia drift and muslims shud never fight each other....duhhhh

[XaliberDeathlock]

Well, yeah. Ideally, they should not fight each other... but here we are, facing such situation.

Perhaps what we need is not common enemies such as shown by some people (Israel, America, or whatnot); but a consensus, a common understanding, which able to let any kind of Muslims -- moreover, any kind of believers --, despite their differences, coexist together in this world.

[shnizzlelillylex]

it's not so simple. Of course they are our enemies, there is not denying that. How can you look at a group of people who are oppressing your fellow Muslims and not object? And this 'common understanding', well it's true to a certain point. But what do you do when you have a certain sect who blatantly contradicts basic Islam?

[XaliberDeathlock]

Hmm, that Israel-Palestina conflict is quite complicated. And since I haven't learn the history for a whole, I support none -- though Israeli recent aggression and Palestinian tactics both are not ethically good.

For that kind of certain sect, I will do nothing. I think it is not for us to take action. Let along they believe what they have been believing.

I'm sure you remember what Al Maa'idah 69 and Al Kafirun 6 said about this. :)

[alarshie]

Ahmadiyyahs are not Muslims, but they must not be persecuted. They believe that Jesus fled Israel,the Romans and Jews and ended up somewhere in Kashmir,and amazingly,they even have his tomb there!This is not Islamic,moreover,they believe that the prophet Mohammad was not the last prophet which confirm they are not Muslims. The only way for them to see the truth and unite with real Islam is they need to wait for the coming of Jesus!

[zaytunn]

RobertsDigital: it just show how ignorant you are.

you are talking about that palestinian start all this, but you forget to tell why they do that.the palestinian pep. live like in jail in their own country.

the jew kolonise the state of palastine ofcourse with help from west. they want to be free from jew wich has occupy their country. if you dont know nothing about history or the country of palastine then dont talk its better dont make joke of you self.

[RobertsDigital]

muslims are very stupid they are the ones who always start the violence....everything about muslims is violence they were they first to shoot rockets at israel for no good reason...they started shooting rockets and when they get attacked they start all that hypocritical prayers and stupid cries...foolish people...

[faizanbu]

fuck this is scary. can you believe that their teaching those little kids to hate people because of what they believe. WOW...mashallah...if prophet muhammad was alive he would prob cry.

[XaliberDeathlock]

Perhaps he never thought his ummah would become such horrifying fanatics...

[xplosivelilly]

@faizanbu if he was alive he wud dismiss ahmadiyya as a cult!

qadianis are taught to hate from an early age too..i dunno who on earth you're fooling...tales of the big and bad 'mullahs'..mullah this and mullah that

[oofeewise]

subhanallah ,, i wish i was there ,, Salam from Zal from Singapore

[ridisc1]

So please respect the pure knowledge of islam that was given to Muhammad(Sallah hu Ala hi wasalam) and stop twisting words to help your wrong and misguding views. As it won't work in this life nor the hereafter And Accpte Muhammad(Sallah hu Ala hi wasalam) As the final Messanger. And please don't try to fool us by saying mr Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is his successor. As we all know of the man's sad and dumb history as you do aswell. Walaikum and do more research on ISLAM. And acctpe the truth.

[darknesslightproduct]

excellent. alhamdulillah. may allah bless and reward the organisers.

[kesm1]

i totally agree now!

Khilafah soon inshallah!!

[kesm1]

how?

hut should unite the muslims.

strange...

[darknesslightproduct]

hut shoudltn unite muslims with deviated outcasts. alhamdulilah

[fazzamin]

as said by DLP. any response to that kesm? :)

[kesm1]

its not about dissin each other fazzamin. but i just thought this was strange.

i still think hut should give the good example, be the leader of the ummah and if a brother is wrong advise him the good.

not putting muslims against each other.

[fazzamin]

bro/sis, sorry if u took my reply in the wrong way; i was wondering if u had a reply to what DLP was saying.

with re HUT's action, are you aware of the history of the ahmadiyah movement?

btw i didnt mean the question in that way akhi/ukhti - insha allah that is clarified :)

[imadsamara2]

Hamdiyah are not Muslims cause they denie Muhammad as the last massanger . But it is strange for real Hizb ut tahrir will not wage sruggle against any sect , Most likely cause Ahmadiya has attacked the Idea of the Universal Khilafah Rashidah , and deformed it in the Khilafah of their Brithish Made Maseeh ,

[feeziman007]

imadsamara2: What about the muslims who believe Muhammad is the last messanger but they still believe Jesus(pbuh) will be descended from the heaven as a messanger. Dont you think the muslims should also be declared non-muslims as they also believe Muhammad(pbuh) is not the last prophet?

[basiraashley]

Believing that Jesus is coming back is in the hadith of Muhamamad and also Quran. He is not a new prophet and he will follow the way of Muhammad and pray the way we pray that is called following what the last prophet said. The ahmadiyya say that the Quran doesnt say Muhammad is the last messenger and they try to change what muhammad sent thats why they are not muslim, May Allah guide you and bring you to true Islam

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Part 1:

I do believe in the Hadith that you are talking about but I have few Questions for you:

1- Which verse in Quran shows that Muhammad is the last prophet?

2- Quran says Jesus was asked to follow the book Torah(old testament) and he was awarded with Injeel(new testament). Can you show me a single verse in the Quran that says Jesus will follow the Quran and the teachings of Quran? Continued

[basiraashley]

He all know the ayah in the Quran od Khatama Nabieen which you all have tried to change to mean seal of approval not Last prophet. We also know from several hadith of Muhammad saying he is the last prophet including the LAST SERMON OF THE PROPHET which is a mutawatir Hadith so go look at that go take your real Shahada and come back and I will greet you as my brother until then you are a kafir which the wrath of Allah will befall for trying to change the Quran and denying the teachings of Muhamad

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: We are not changing the meaning of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, it is the word of Allah. Some of your so-called muslims also agreed upon this meaning "seal of Prophet". Just have a look at Dr. Israr's video on youtube on the title of Khatam-un-Nabiyeen, he is also saying "seal of Prophet". Now would you also call Dr. Israr a kafir?. Now about the wrath of Allah everyone can see who is under the wrath of Allah Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya or so-called Muslims. Who is the Last Jesus or Muhammad(pbuh)?

[basiraashley]

Yes seal of the prophet means thats it, it is sealed up for good thats the end. Not meaning seal of approval like you try to make it we an go to the mufasireen commenter of quran Ibn Kathir if you like. ANd Issa is a muslim muslim means one who submits to Allah all the prophets of Allah are muslim. That is a rediculous question. Why would I run from that. It is also said in the hadith that Essa will destroy the cross (the ones who proclaim him to be son of god) and there will be no more jizya

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: You are saying "All the prophets of Allah are muslim" and "Issa(pbuh) is also a muslim". Who told you about this? Did Allah revealed to you that all the prophets including Issa(pbuh) are muslims?

[basiraashley]

But Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All­Powerful, All­Wise. )" (Q.4:158)

[feeziman007]

The right verse is:

"On the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself. And Allah is Mighty, Wise." (Al-nisa)

[basiraashley]

That is the same verse I quoted to you. You just want to argue man you better hope you come to Islam before you die for your own sake

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: No dude this is not the same thing. Your verse says "Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself" and mine one says "Isa was exalted to Allah". Exalted means his rank was raised up not he himself was raised bodily.

[basiraashley]

Ok try to follow this, the verses I quoted Is Sura Nisa 157 and 158 you gave a slightly different translation of those same verses in the English language which mean the exact same thing again if you knew arabic we would not be having this conversation You did not prove anything there are severla different translators of the Quran in English that use different wording for the verses but meaning remains the same.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Its not just about slight difference b/w translation it could change the whole meaning. I wonder you are an arabic professor and you dont understand a simple thing. Now if you dont believe me then watch your own muslim scholar muhammad shaikh's video on youtube titled "01/17 Jesus (p.b.u.h) By Mohammad Shaikh". Watch all 17 episodes and judge yourself about what he beleives about jesus(pbuh). Let me tell you again he is not an Ahmadi and he is not propagation ahmadiyya propaganda.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: You are calling me towards Islam now tell me which islam should I come?

Shia islam? Sunni Islam? Deobandi Islam? Barelvi Islam? Wahabi Islam? Ahle Hadees Islam? Lal Masjid islam? Al-Qaida Islam? Taliban Islam? Jamaat-e-Islami Islam? Sunni Tehrik Islam? etc etc... Please tell me I am desparate to come to the Islam.

[basiraashley]

Ok sir we can have a real conversation about Islam if you like this back and forth is meaningless contact me anytime on my yahoo messenger JABREEL1978

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: i dont have yahoo messanger, you can join me on MSN messanger.

[basiraashley]

I have that also contact me JABREEL1978 on msn messenger

[feeziman007]

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[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Please do watch all the 17 vdos of Muhammad shaikh about jesus(pbuh) and his life and then come and talk to me.

[basiraashley]

I have no interest in watching those videos my understanding about Esa is clear. If you want to engage in a dialogue for Dawah I am open to it I gave you how to contact me if you have enlightenment then contact me otherwise I have no desire to watch Ahmadiyya propaganda Islam is clear I can talk to you and bring proof for what I believe and why from authentic sources of Islam. Its up to you Im giving you this opportunity to talk not chat back and forth through comments

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Wow! Why you dont have interest on those video? Muhammad Shaikh is your muslim scholar. Once you call ahmadis out of islam and you are not ready to even see what your muslim scholar says about life of Jesus(pbuh). You are running again from the truth my dude :D

[basiraashley]

See there they go again you are asking me to watch 17 videos on a subject that is already clear and understood I have studied this subject in great detail. This issue about Esa doesnt effect the muslims day to day life you learn it and uderstand and when it happens we are ready. We dont keep discussing the same things over and over. I know what the scholars say I have studied under Sheikh Imran Hosein who speaks about this better that anyone I have heard.

[fazzamin]

good on you bro, dont watch any of their baatil rubbish. they are misguided kafireen. Subhan Allah

[feeziman007]

fazzamin: Misguided kafireen, Subhan Allah? Very strange. A person who is a so-called muslim saying subhan allah for misguided kafireen. Wow new terminology.

It is understood that you dont watch ahmadiyya videos but why dont you watch your own muslim scholar videos? Do you mean their videos are batil rubbish? Are you calling your muslim scholar misguided kafireen? Are you afraid of something?

[dj1z4]

feeziman007: Do Ahmadiyah reject that Muhammad SAW is the last messenger of Allah?

please confirm..

What do they base it on?

[feeziman007]

dj1z4: Ahmadiyya admit that Muhammad(saw) is the last law baring prophet. There will be no new prophethood with new law, Muhammad(saw) was the best, he is the best and he will remain best forever however we believe that prophets can come as servants of Muhammad(saw) or successors of Muhammad(saw) who can carry the message of him for muslim Ummah. Our believe is nothing different to orthodox mainstream muslim as they also believe jesus and imam mahdi can come after muhammad(saw) as successors.

[Jabreel1978]

You say no new law but you changed what Muhamad taught about jihad. ANd also you deny the many hadith about what Esa is supposed to do and where he is supposed to do at. If that is not called new laaw then what is.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Brother we do believe in jihad, but jihad is allowed with knowledge and wisdon not with the sword and that is your answer for jizya. We donnot deny on hadith about Isa. He will break the corss and kill the swine. Now you tell me what does mean by breaking the cross and killing the swine?

[ridisc1]

Brothers please understand the differance is simple imam mehdi(A.S) will work under the laws which were given to Muhammad(P.B.U.H)By Allah Subha ta'laa and so will Isa(A.S) they will complete the task which was informed to Rasool Allah(P.B.U.H)by Allah. And there are hadith to state that. Ahmadiyya Views on the other hand are wrong as there base of iman is not the one that our Beloved Rasool (p.b.u.h)informed us of.

[feeziman007]

ridisc1: Brother you seems like misguided the same way as your mullas are misguiding the other muslims. We believe the same way as you have mention. There is no difference between what you have mention and the ahamdiyya views and believe.

[Jabreel1978]

Break the cross and kill the swine. Based off the commenter of hadith is that Esa will show all christians who worshipped him to be wrong. There will be no Jizya because everyone will be muslim. So tell me did Ahmad Qadian accomplish this cause I see christians everywhere. And during his time nobody was paying jizya cause there was no Khilafa for it to be paid to

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Brother correct yourself, this Jizya does not mean the tax, Jizya means the war of religion. What mirza sahab has done he disallowed the jizya and only allow the jihad with Quran and knowledge. About christianity please watch your own muslim scholar video titled "Truth Speaks out !!! Mullahs compelled to admit facts" on youtube watch what your scholars are saying about mirza sahib and judge yourself what mirza sahib has done with christianiy. Brother have some taqwa and be neutral.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Brother please refer to the hadith specific to this topic. You are seeing christians everywhere because muslims are not fighting with the christianity they only know to kill them with sword they are not killing them with Quran and Knowledge. Killing the swine does not mean fetching swine in the jungle and kill them one by one. Killing swine mean killing the swine like attributes of all the christians not actual swine

Instead of that all the muslims are after jamaat-e-ahmadiyya

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Instead of killing the swines all the muslims are after jamaat-e-ahmadiyya and they are making anti-ahmadiyaa movement. Why dont they work out for christianity?

[Jabreel1978]

Exactly thats not what Muhammad taught how do you think Islam spread all over the world including India where Qadian recieved it by just walking around talkin to people no they spread Islam through the sword

[TheShuraCouncil]

anything that is spread by force never has the ability to grow in an intellectual sphere.

[fazzamin]

the intellect being utilised is what this video is an example of. its a revival built on thought, not on emotion, nor on violence, alhamdulilah

[BojanglesRyan]

doesnt matter your all stupid your worshipping the wrong god you heathens

[Jabreel1978]

Islam doesnt force the individual to become muslim but the oppressive man made systems cannot exist according to the Quran and Authentic teachings of Muhammad (saaw)

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Dont run away. Decide it first who is denying Isa's life? just ahmadis or your muslim scholars as well and what about al-azhar university? do they also believe in Isa's long lasting life?

[Jabreel1978]

If you believe that then you also reject the ayah in quran of him being ascended.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: If Isa was a human and prophet then he cannot be ascended. Still you believe he was a human and gone up in the sky then you are accepting christianity as it has mention in the bible that he was lifted up with body and soul and will be descended later on. Quran denies human cannot be ascended.

[Jabreel1978]

If he wah not human then what was he you are limiting Allah power. Muhamman Saaw was also ascended to the heavens was he not human also. You have the most kuffar concepts.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Thats what I was expecting from you. I Knew you would talk about the Miraj of prophet muhammad(saw). Please search on google was Miraj spritual or Physical?

Surah Bani Israel [17:94]: "Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.' Say, 'Holy is my Lord! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger".

continued . . .

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Brother believing Muhammad(saw) ascention bodil

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Brother believing Muhammad(saw) ascention physically to the heaven at the event of Miraj is the blasphemy of Muhmmad(saw) and Quran. In the verse of Bani Israel I showed you "Allah is asking Muhammad(saw) to deny the kuffar's request of ascending to the heaven and asked Muhammad to say he is only a human and a messanger and Allah is pure from this magics". Thus it means that a human and a messanger cannot be ascended.

[Jabreel1978]

You are so lost you dont even know the history of Muhamad he road a winged donkey physically not magically you are blasphemous by trying to change what he did my friend. Read the seerah from authentic sources he even told some travelers that was physically traveling that night outside of Mecca where to retrieve thieir lost camels in the middle of the night and he also described Jersualem. Thats why the Kuffar LIKE YOU tried to make fun of him cause Muhammad said he physically traveled there.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: O brother so-called muslim, you are an arabic professor. Quran says it was a Ru'ya and Ru'ya or Kashaf means the dream. The hadiths says "when Miraj was over his eyes was opened and he was in the Ka'aba at that time". If Miraj was physical the hadith should have say "when miraj was over he came down to the earth". If I am wrong then what about other Muslims sects who have now started to believe the same way that we believe. You are just a lost person you dont want to understand

[Jabreel1978]

If you wasnt so scary you would contact me directly I gave you my messenger ID. I can give you all the proof from authentic Seerah. THe Kuffar at the time of Muhammad were saying the same thing and the Munafiqs rejected Muhammad after he told them he took a physical journey to Beitel Maqdis. So I guess that puts you in the same boat as them. You are a waste of time you have knowledge of anything but you want to debate about nothing.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Thats what I wanated to say, "you are a waste of time".

[Jabreel1978]

I know thats why you cant come from any proof and we will see who is telling the truth. Now you cant plead innnocence Allah will punish all you who lie against him and Muhammad saaw.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Same for you.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Now you tell me if Muhammad(pbuh) cannot be ascended to the heaven then Was Isa superior then Muhammad(saw). I am telling you again this the blasphem

[Jabreel1978]

You are putting words in my mouth Muhammad is the greatest man to ever live which has nothing to do with ascension. Allah can do whatefer he wants. Idris A.S. soul wasnt taken until he was in the fourth heaven. So now that Muhamad died here on earth does that make Idris better? NO so stop with foolishness. I gAVE YOU MY MSN MESSENGER BUT YOU NEVER CONTACTED ME YOU HAVE NO REAL DIALOGUE YOU ARE JUST A "COMMENT WARRIOR"

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Now you are sending Idris (as) to the heaven, what a joker you are. Have you accepted the task to send and recieve prophets to and from the heaven against the Allah's order? Once you say all the prophets are muslims now you say Idris(as) is also in the heaven resting with Isa(as). Now tell me who will come down first Isa or Idris. Who will lead the Ummah? Your each and every concept is against the Quran and Allah's law. May allah guide you and give you the courage and open your eyes

[Jabreel1978]

You have absolutely no knowledge of Islam. Look in the quran where Faroon tried to convert befor the Red Sea crushed him. What did he say? He said he believed in the god of Musa and he wanted to become MUSLIM but you wouldnt know that. Also in the quran where Allah talks about Idris it is explained where he is but you dont know that either go write a poem or something about Hazzur that seems like that is all your kind know what to do.

[RobertsDigital]

Jabreel1978 why did your muzlim people shoot missiles to israel in the first place????

You stubborn towelhead....

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: Now you tell me if Muhammad(pbuh) cannot be ascended to the heaven then Was Isa superior then Muhammad(saw)? I am telling you again this is the blasphemy of prophet Muhammad(saw) and you guyz are totally on the footstep of Kuffars.

[feeziman007]

Jabreel1978: I have a request for you my brother, Please let Muhammad(saw) the superior one. You and all the muslims act proving Isa the superior then Muhammad(saw). Please read Quran thorougly, Quran says Isa died natural death just as other human and prophets. He was not ascended to the heaven hence he will not be descended. I can show you several verses from Quran that proves the death of Isa(pbuh).

[Jabreel1978]

Ok sir have fun trying to distort the Quran like I told you yesterday. When you know Arabic you cant play these word twisting games you all play with english language. You put the verses on the comment yourself about Esa ascending remember that ? Now you want to say it never happened. You are alot more far gone than I thought the Ahamadiyya that I know dont even hold the same concepts as you.

[fazzamin]

LOL running from the truth of your kafir scholars? Shame on you!

[feeziman007]

fazzamin: If Ahmadis are kafir then what about your so-called 10072 musilm sects. Arnt they calling each other kafir? You are among one of the kafir. Shame on you Mr. Kafir.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: According to the verse you have quoted "Allâh raised him ['Iesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens)". Now tell me where is Allah? Is Allah only exists in the heavens or all over the world? Dude read the Quran that says "Allaho Noorus Samawaat-e-Wal arz", means Allah is the noor of heavens and earth. Continued . . .

[feeziman007]

Allah is spritual not physical. If Isa was lifted up in the heavens with body and soul then it means Allah was not there where Isa was and Allah was there where Isa was lifted up. Is this the Allah you believe?

[basiraashley]

Now you are trying to define who Allah is you are so lost that is a kuffar statement that if before you was already a Kaffir believing in Ahmadiyya now you are blashpemous commiting Shirk digging yourself deeper in the hellfire

[basiraashley]

Issa aready came and was ressurected Mohammad came and left the message for all of mankind even Essa will follow this Shariah not anything new but you wouldnt know that because they wont let you read anything but Ahmadiyya literature

[basiraashley]

Allah took Issa they crucified another person read the quran. He has not returned yet. otherwise everything we believe in would be in jeopardy because there are specific things in specific places that are going to happen.According to ahadith Which has not happened yet. AND NO By Allah I am a MUSLIM i believe that Muhammad ibn Abdullah is the lasat messenger and prophet of ALLAH

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Can you show me a single verse from Quran that Issa was ressurected? if you say we only read ahmadiyya literature then it means you are admitting you study Quran and Ahadiths. I have been asking you to show me the quranic verses but you are running away from it. Just show me the quranic verses in your support. Dont you believe in Quran?

[basiraashley]

"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) 4:157

[feeziman007]

The right verse is :

"And for their saying, 'We did slay the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;' whereas they slew him not, nor did they bring about his death upon the cross, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no certain knowledge thereof, but only pursue a conjecture; and they did not arrive at a certainty concerning it." (Al-Nisa)

[basiraashley]

I just showed you two verses from the Quran. Let me see how you can twist them. Let me say again learn the Arabic language that is what the quran is revealed in. Muslim means: One who submits (TO ALLAH). That would categorically put ALL of Allah prophets and messengers as Muslims because they all submit to Allah

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: I just corrected two verses from the Quran that you have quoted. let me see how you will twist these verses. Please learn arabic.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Part 2:

3- Quran says Jesus was the prophet for Israelite(bani Israel). Can you show me a single verse from Quran that says he will lead the Muslim Ummah or will follow the teachings of Islam?

4- Can you show me a single verse from Quran that says Jesus is alive and ascended bodily to the heavens and will be descended bodily again alive to the earth?

You are saying ahamdis are trying to change what Muhammad(pbuh) sent. What are we trying to change?

[basiraashley]

It does not talk about the return of Esa or the circumstances surrounding the Mahdi in the Quran. It is explained in the Ahadith that you all dont follow or acknowledge it says in the authentic hadith that Esa will pray behind the Mahdi (Imam ) in Mecca but you all dont follow this hadith because it will show the treacherous lies of the Ahamad Qadian that he is Esa and Mahdi and that they are seperate people.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: You tell me what will be the status of Issa upon his second coming? Will he be a muslim or a christian?

I have asked you four simple questions from Quran but you are unable to answer any one of them. Dude dont run away from Quran and Hadiths like liar mullas.

[basiraashley]

Do you know what jizya is? Because if you knew youu would know that those so called Khilafas that you follow is not but a liar and has no power at at all. No army no land no nothing but a bunch of hot liar air. Im not going to argue with you just look at the last sermon of the prophet and look where it says there will be no prophet after me. You also changed the rules of jihad did you know that Muhamaad fought and killed in Jihad himself but they wont let you know about that.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Mr. Jizya or Mr. Confuse If there is no prophet after Muhammad(pbuh) then Isa should not come as a prophet. Why dont you understand? Are you nuts? did prophet Muhammad(pbuh) die during Jihad? Mr. do a double check before making such false statement.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: How many jihads have you done?

[fazzamin]

are you ahmadi? please answer with a yes or no

[basiraashley]

NO I know of them. Have tried to make dawah to them several times. THey dont believe in Ahadith. They only read the literature of their cult. Denying the clear proofs of this Kadhab (liar) Ahmad Qadian. They pick and choose the hadith they like. they read sahih muslim about prayer and wudu and oother ritualistic things but when it comes to the many ahadith that say mohammad is the last messenger they omit it. Hence making them rejecters of Sunna

[feeziman007]

fazzamin: Yes I am an ahmadi

[fazzamin]

indeed. such is the nature of this cult

[basiraashley]

You are too busy writing poems about a man who cant do anything for you or himself. Go study the Seerah of Muhammad and you will know you are wrong.

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: You do not study seerah of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) otherwise you so-called muslims dont fight with each other like dogs. Is this the seerah of Muhammad(pbuh)?

[basiraashley]

No its not, the majority of the muslims today are unlearned and oppressed by Kuffar. Muslims have been under kuffar regimes since 1924 and colonialized since then where all these Kuffar concepts has crept into the muslim lands including Ahmadiyya. Thats why there is fighting amongst us. It is our duty to go back to the teachings of Islam and return to making Alaah's name dominant in the land and these kuffar concepts will dispelled once and for all

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: First make your so-called muslim world unite then come to ahmadiyya.

[basiraashley]

Ok you have no understanding I showed you the verses now what you have not answered one question of mine. Can you make since of the Last sermon of Muhammad where he says there will be no prophet after me. I know for sure you dont know Arabic, If you did we wouldnt be having this conversaton

[feeziman007]

basiraashley: Ok you have no understanding. Now you show me what Isa(as) told in his last sermon about the coming messanger?

[fazzamin]

staghfirullah. may allah wipe out every single one of you for your baatil! ameeeeen!

[feeziman007]

fazzamin: Great going. Keep praying. Everyone is watching who is wiping out from the world. Hahahahahaha