Take the "For Sale" sign off the Capitol lawn!

[hugesinker]

Sheesh.. 8 minutes and they still never gave an overview of the actual proposal. I mean, what is it? Are they in favor of ending these idiotic subsidies? Do they want an entity with a proper alignment of incentives to ensure safety in mines and drill platforms (hint- that isn't the government). What do they mean by "corporate finance reform"? There are dozens of different ways to try to try to reform this, and many of them are just bad news.

[lejistar]

This has got to stop it's people like this old man who has been working these farms for years feeding our people. I trust this man much more than I do a for profit corporation. He needs to get these subsidies and not these companies.

[midnightroamer]

The Agribusiness Corporations also hire hundreds of millions illegal immigrants. Foster Farms blankets Mexico with posters telling the wages and locations of it's chicken processing plants. They run a bus service from Texas to their plants in the Southeast for illegals.

[motorolarules]

What a great video.

[tedbohne]

the time for talking, blogging, and other such nonsense is long over. It is time to, by force of firearms if required to dissolve this regime. All three parts. A trusted stand in group until a successful model would have to be enlisted. The criminal trash present in all three branches of this regime would be then, incarcerated until trial dates with the ICC could be arranged. ANY attempt at escape or delay of any sort should be met with gunfire. see the Declaration of Independence.

[scrabbleking1965]

Big Oil has spent WAY MORE than $121 million in D C over the last 10 years. Give me a break, that is only a couple of days profits for just one of the big oil corps. Now thanks to the Supreme Court, whatever the true numbers really are, they will only skyrocket from where they have been. Also the "right wing propaganda media" is completely controlled by multi national corps, Smearing climate change science so they don't have to spend money being more responsible. No sheep in my house!!!

[phartzyone]

@scrabbleking1965 - Google Obama contributions from big oil. Yes, big oil has been spreading it around, but Obama is the recipient of the largest amount. Keep your propaganda to yourself. I am not interested in hearing it.

[scrabbleking1965]

@phartzyone Believe it or not, I am "pretty much" right there with you on this!!! Big oil, coal gas, agriculture, finance, insurance and all the rest buy politicians on BOTH sides of the isle, their interests are covered no matter who wins. Of course the multi national corps would prefer those that are already lined up with their interests win, not surprising that those that "say" they are trying to regulate corps in a responsible manner, bring a higher price.

[ljosephlogston007]

@scrabble king 1965

all the politicians on all sides receive corporate campaign money, the right wing get the most, just think how much Bush & friends got!!! this is why we need campaign reform

[scrabbleking1965]

@phartzyone The 7 largest corps with major interest in the US made profits of 100 BILLION last year. Approx. 8 hours worth of profit for THESE SEVEN ALONE would be 100 million. Source, Forbes.com The Global 2000 I would personally think a weeks worth of profit would be a small price for laws in my best interests. Who are the major players at News Corp (parent of Fox)???? Google that my friend!

[phartzyone]

@scrabbleking1965 You didn't answer my question. I want to know why the federal government gave TRILLIONS to Wall Street, banks and corporations instead of HELPING THE PEOPLE and all you want to do is spew socialist propaganda.

[phartzyone]

@scrabbleking1965 - Interesting how Congress has engineered this division in America, don't you think? And they do it in the name of power. Yet where did that stimulus money go? To Wall Street, big corporations, union bailouts. How much of it went to help the people who needed it most? Whether you like it or not, those horrible nasty corporations provide JOBS. Regulating them to death will not encourage them to do more hiring.

[cosmicsister]

@phartzyone - So, regulation of corporations will what? Stop them from hiring? No. But it will irritate them, and improve the lives of everyone but multi-milionaires and billionaires. Regulation actually saves lives, makes our environment cleaner and opens up new often unforeseen money making opportunities for entrepreneurs and the corporations too. Without any regulation, there will be jobs alright, as peons.

[phartzyone]

@cosmicsister - Small business is the engine of our communities. Where I live, unemployment is nearing 14% and we have the largest number of foreclosures in the nation (FL). Small business is having its back broken by wondering what it will get hit with next. Florida already has strict business regs and when you add federal they are choking and shutting down in record numbers. My town is becoming a ghost town. I'm not interested in the propaganda (which it is) about rich people.

[badattitude77769]

@phartzyone My state is bought and paid for by corporations also. Money talks, families suffer.

[phartzyone]

The man who received the largest amount of money, a record amount of money, from big oil is Barack Obama. $900,000 to be exact. He stated there would be no lobbyists in his administration and yet there are many.

Who is delivering the propaganda here?

[sibkiss2009]

@phartzyone BP was one of his major contributors.

[Mairinohailche]

Thats right just keep arguing mong yourselves about left, and right and who is worse than who.... heaven forbid you would have to look in the mirror to see who is really to blame.

[Tressco]

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."

- Benito Mussolini

[azmildman]

@Tressco According to Wikipedia they mean the same thing, almost. Everyone who cares should read Dr. Lawrence Britt's essay entitled, "The 14 defining characteristics of facism" which he originally wrote about Nazi Germany but I read the article during the Bush administration and couldn't tell, I thought he had written it recently, at first. Everything from nationalism to cronyism was rampant for eight years. We have a change in the White House, we now need to change congress.

[azmildman]

Just like the stories about EVIL WALMART, congress didn't start buying the cheaper products that the big guys can produce. We did. When congress makes laws they can't make them to just fit some people.

[givebirthathome]

This is an inspiring video. Its good to see healthy Americans talking honestly from good common sense.

[azmildman]

@givebirthathome I was amazed, after visiting Iowa, I thought they were kind of backwards, but they voted for Obama this last election after Bush did the same thing with their flooding as he did with Katrina, too late and too little. John McCain was such a looney tune they couldn't stand him. These people grow 40 percent of the world's corn. They are amazingly behind on minimum wage, income tax adjustments, everything. They get paid almost nothing but they are still working more than most states

[dotymed]

It is so ridiculous that Americans WILL NOT agree to have publicly financed elections. It WOULD NOT cost us anymore than currently, but it would FORCE politicians to represent PEOPLE NOT CPRPORATIONS. Networks already, by law, have to present so many Public Service Announcements (PSA's). We could pass a rule (the FCC or the election committee) that requires them to give free, equal "air-time" to politicians. Also, we must go back to "paper ballots", no "privately owned, easily hacked, machines.

[abbadabbadolittle]

Transfer of wealth, our tax dollars being handed over to these corporate criminals. Monsanto is trying to patton the pig......freaks. Genetically altered food and grains...antibiotics ...they are all Frankiensteins...not to mention the animal cruelty going on in these factory farms. 98% of our politicians are working for these corporate dirt-bags. No safety or regulations...too costly to the bottom line ...if people die, they can be replaced.

[azmildman]

@abbadabbadolittle Yes, and Arizona needs to put term limits on congressmen and get rid of McCain, Shaddegg, and Kyle. The lobbyists' wet dream. These guys have been wining that dining the lobbies for decades. They don't just vote for them, they have big parties for them and let them mingle with the whole "sick cycle" of congress, the obstructionists.

[abbadabbadolittle]

@azmildman I have an idea lets privatize these politicians jobs, giving us the power to hire and FIRE when we see fit. No terms of 4years or whatever....you screw us we fire you....and if you are fired no benefits for life or pensions. Good for America. Good for the people.

[unelmitchell]

i am from Louisiana and we really need to get out David Vitter, Mary Landrue & the Republicans out of Louisiana politices !!! Louisiana would be alot better without them !!!

[bekirwicz]

It's about time we took it to the streets.

[BardCoennius]

How sad that this video has gotten less than 400 views.

How sad that Stupid Amerika is getting ready to hand Congress right back to those who fellate the korporations who will continue to submit We The People to economic sodomy rape in the name of fear of brown-skinned people and gays.

Looks like the American people will have to be reduced to slavery to the rich and powerful, living in a destroyed third-world countrybefore they ever wake up - and then it will be too late.

[mjosiebert]

@BardCoennius agreed!, it is sad!

[Acecool444]

Pull the troops out of the middle east and place them "ALL" on the entire U.S. Borders, especially that of MEXICO! Illegal Drugs coming in are destroying the minds of our people. Call it the silent war...Where if you kill the mind, you've destroyed the ability to think rationally. Just as important! Make Illegal entry into the U.S. a stiffer law. Let them "EARN" their way back by Prison/Jail Community Service/Infrastructure..NO MORE FREE RIDES via U.S. Tax Payer! Also! FELONS! NO WORK, NO EAT!

[morality101]

Campaign finance reform is the basic that must happen before anything else can. Other things such as real health care reform, single payer medical option, regaining control over foreign policy addicted to war and war profiteering, will never happen until we get really big money out of campaign finance.

[Acecool444]

A LAW STATING THAT, No Corporation or business or individual or NON PROFIT organization, U.S. Stateside or U.S. Abroad, should ever allow "ANY" "EMPLOYEE" or Member of said Organization, to receive an annual salary/income above $250,000 (all bonuses included). That in itself would wipe out MOST OF THE GREED THAT IS DESTROYING THE WORLD ECONOMY and LIVELIHOOD OF THE AMERICAN WORKER/HOUSEHOLD. STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and Legalization of ILLEGAL U.S. BORN IMMIGRATION!

[joestarlite]

The voters in Iowa, Louisiana and West Virginia just need to stop electing these criminals into office.  Our Senators and Congresspeople that we elect here in California may not be perfect but they sure are better than the criminals that the voters in many other parts of the country elect.

[Marshalldoc]

Government in service to corporate interests is the prime definition of fascism.

[Acecool444]

BOTTOM LINE! MAKE A LAW DEVISED BY "WE THE PEOPLE" (not "WE THE CORPORATIONS WITH ALL THE MONEY"), WHERE NO ONE IN POLITICAL OFFICE (Or any other Government Agency) can any longer accept Donations (Bribes) of any kind for any reason above the amount of $5.00 u.s.d.

Anything over that, Lobbyists should be held accountable for "TREASON" in helping to destroy the livelihood of the American Worker! And thus, the American Economy! Tax Overseas Imports equal to that of U.S. made Wholesale!

[bingramtube]

@Acecool444 agreed, Lobbyist are criminals. Those public employees and elected officials that take bribes are criminals. I think very stiff sentence's in real prisons are needed. abolish all secret government meetings below national security meetings, I mean what hell my city mayor wants to hide from me anyway ?? new zoning laws ? Forget all the lies told you by your TV. Those folks in office think you are a worm, a consumer who should work 40 hours a week and keep your mouth shut.

[zxc545454]

Pay off a cop, it's called "bribery." Pay off a congressman, it's called "free speech."

[oldgypsytap]

Instead of worrying and falling prey to the 'Muslim threat",rhetoric we should be concentrating on issues such as this one which are effecting every American, every day, right now, as i type this........

[jpaley8543]

The only way we can get our country back is by having public financing only, no more private, corporate, lobbyist buying the politicians and the elections. A revolution might be called for to if the Right buys the next elections.

[bingramtube]

@jpaley8543 agreed

[celticgurl99]

The pendulum has swung away from the last centurie's balance of laissez-faire government in relation to citizen protections from market and government tyranny. Government is a necessary evil as humanity is, despite good intentions of most if not all humans, by nature sinful in that it fears for it's future and reacts with hoarding of resources and power for personal short term gain. Individualism must be balanced by a sense of community. Maybe these excesses will wake people up, maybe.

[bingramtube]

@celticgurl99 sounds a whole lot like collage rhetoric, pardon me if I'm wrong. Collages are so bound by Political correctness they resemble brain washing facilities. Don't believe it ? What is brain washing except having to memorize certain view points and if you arn't 'correct' when asked, you fail. I truely hope 'these excesses wake people up' but I think it will have to get alot worse than this. First thing that must be done is, we all tell the truth as we SEE it.

[celticgurl99]

@bingramtube-There are many educated idiots, if ability to express myself at a 'Collage' level makes me one to you, so be it. If critical thinker = brainwashed, then my cerebral tissue is bleached, (gasp! inference that white might mean clean!!!)

Now if you can refute my thought that a sense of community, caring for your fellow man, being important just as individualism, the spirit of self-reliance, is, that I will listen to. The truth as I see it.

[celticgurl99]

@celticgurl99 Edit, the idea that community is as important as self reliance is not my original thought, merely something as a bible believing Christian I find to be true, the thought is mine only in that I used it in my original post on 9/2/2010 in my argument for moderation and balance in government.

[bingramtube]

@celticgurl99 I cannot refute your thought, nor would I if I could. I have very little desire to make others wrong. A complete world takes many differant people with many differant ideas. Collage's with strong agendas tend to reduce students ability to reason and think for themselves and instead produce students who can memorize the latest theory.

Memory and creativity both have a place in our world I just happen to believe creativity to be more fun. Respectfully Blucross

[celticgurl99]

@bingramtube Apparantly because I make the effort to correct my naturally atrocious spelling I am a pre-programmed robot. It is amusing to me that you think college encourages students not to think for themselves but rather put their thoughts in a rational manner that can be defended. The 30 some community college credits I will have in December have given me more knowledge which I can use creatively as a natural critical thinker. But you are correct in that knowledge is not wisdom.

[celticgurl99]

@celticgurl99 I do want to thank you for making me think more critically and being respectful in your comment to me. I would not go on further with this sideline, but I think it might serve those who may read it. If I follow your reasoning, higher learning distorts perception. I stand by my statement there can be 'college-educated idiots'. College doesn't make them that way, if they were looking to have certain perceptions reinforced they are.

[celticgurl99]

@celticgurl99 If students can not reason for themselves, and techniques for doing so do not become part of them because they resist it or are too swayed by a particular professor who discourages critical thinking, not just to pass a test and regurgitate what is expected to take what is true to them out of it and leave what is not behind, it is not having different concepts available to them to chose from that causes this. Ultimately a college student is responsible for their own thoughts.

[celticgurl99]

@celticgurl99 No one told me to go read Rene Descartes, Adam Smith, or Kenneth Lux. When I lived near MSU and Uof M Neo-con college friends just dismissed a waitress's ideas as stupid working class idealism. One author repeatedly recommended was Ayn Rand, and in reading about Objectivism I came up with a critique of her philosophy without aid of any hippie liberal professors or rightwing thinktank trained instructors. College serves my personal responsibility to think for myself.

[celticgurl99]

@celticgurl99 Does college serve everyone this way? No. Is college regurgitation of facts and theories? Yes, students have to learn critical thinking. There is absolutely no such thing as truly objective thought, everyone has an agenda. Know this going in, be creative and react accordingly. If one does not have schematas of the current knowledge, even valid points are suspect.

So again, thanks for a challenging me to re-evaluate what I think I know. Happy trails partner.

[smackme420]

There is not an organization more ruthless, more evil and more greedy than our OWN government. As a society, we MUST kick these bastards out of office. If we don't- expect the same, and don't blame anyone other than yourself and the public at large.

[ljosephlogston007]

@smack 420 It's not are government but the leaders that we vote in, most are

highly influenced by corporate campaign funding so most of the time we will vote in

the same corporate funded politicians with a different name

[nicholas9999]

the fair elections now website is needlessly complicated.

[luminarycrush]

When the supreme court has taken the lease off corporate spending (a corporation a 'person' - are you kidding me? Well, a pretty sociopathic one which needs to be locked up then...) how do candidates who aren't bought and paid for even get a chance to run? The altruistic ones are few and far between it seems... now legislation to make those 'unlimited contributions' transparent is getting pushed down... so anonymous, unlimited money can prop up whomever the corporations want.

[Sparkanoid1]

@luminarycrush When that law was rubber stamped by your supreme court it just shows how infantile your justice system still is - and what doormats the United States human population is. Anywhere in Western Europe there would of been a revolution over such a fucking staggering law passed. But you guys just bend over time and time again.

Give me communist China over you fuckups any day of the week. I can't believe the world has forgotten so quickly that the US caused the financial collapse

[thekidde63]

Hate to admit you're correct, but you are. One problem here in the States is that the hurt hasn't gone quit deep enough and hard enough. When it does, some of us will take action if we can do it with little long term cost to the people with destruction of the oligarchy. I can't wait much longer as I'm 65 years old and a combat vet of Vietnam whose VA/Medicare benefits belie the lies of the right that want to give everything to corporations to rip us of and enslave (even more) the middle.

[bingramtube]

@thekidde63 ya Kid I'm in the same boat as you.Flew choppers in the I corp. for the 101st. I recieve vet bennies and I believe we will be the last 'entitlement' group to be defunded, why ? because the last people the Gov wants to alienate is the Armed Forces. That being said I'd gladly give up my gravy if all forms of bribery we made a felony for the guy with the money and a double felony for the elected official who accepts the bribe (re-election funds included)

[Laara12]

@Sparkanoid1 You are so right. The teaparty crowd and progressives alike are all a bunch of cowards. Nobody is willing to to rise up against this tyranny. The right wing propaganda media has succeeded in its mission to divide us. Americans are so busy hating each other that we can't organize meaningful action against our real victimizers.

[skeletonmom]

@Laara12 - I do think that the big movers and shakers are pushing the anger/hate agenda along, nationwide. Because if we spend the time and energy hating/fearing one another, we cannot unite and rise up against them.

Promote tolerance with the working class people-we are a massive force that are the ONLY change WE need.

[azmildman]

@Laara12 The tea baggers started recently as they are a promotion of Fox News. They tried to take over the name, the tea party which actually started in 1991, about gun control, not Rupert Murdoch not paying income tax. Then Glen Beck says he is the leader of the civil rights movement and Sarah Palin says she is the leader of the Mama Grizzlies, The are trying to hijack the names of grassroot movements that actually have a message and spread their own propaganda.

[skyeapril]

@Laara12 Exactly why do you claim progressives are cowards? Progressives support social reform and this video certainly falls into this category. The corporations would not have this much power if people did not vote against their own best interests. We need informed voters in order to fix problems such as this.

[azmildman]

@skyeapril I agree with you. The crazy thing I see online is that almost every media source except for maybe two says the same thing. They can't understand why some people are actually picketing to support legislation that would benefit them, I think most Americans get so much misguided information that they don't know what to believe or hear all the wrong thing. Some are actually being lied to and some just assume the wrong thing without investigating it completely.

[Yankhadenough]

@Laara12 the Tea Partiers are completely misguided about our country and its history by leaders of the Tea Party that are intentionally misleading them. The original Boston Tea Party was about protesting the corruption by the British East India Company of the British Monarchy against the colonists. Our Founding Fathers were extremely aware & very intentional of leaving the word [corporation] completely out of the Constitution on purpose, and generated rights for natural persons only.

[susanjmaki]

It's not the tea party people, like myself, that are your problem. Actually the unions, and left leaning special interests exert much more influence over the congress than big business. I agree that we need to get along as individuals. But there is no "right wing propaganda media". Most of the media leans left. They were so in love with the idea of a black president, that they didn't vet him like other candidates. To bad we can't elect officials in blind elections. No financial of charisma.

[badattitude77769]

@susanjmaki I agree about the finances and charisma, it is all image.

[hozelda]

@susanjmaki

>> Actually the unions, and left leaning special interests exert much more influence over the congress than big business.

You might believe that, but that's not what was covered by the video so perhaps you can link to something if you get the chance. Also, there are an awful lot of people that agree that corporations are a serious interference on our democracy. I don't think those numbers are made up (the 70%+).

[andthensome54]

All of you that are posting complaints about big business owning congress, you can do something about it by VOTING!!!! Do your research and support people like Alan Grayson of Florida, Anthony Weiner of NY and Al Franken of Minn. Nothing in DC will ever change if you don't vote.

[celticgurl99]

@andthensome54 here here.

[bingramtube]

@andthensome54 I understand the concept of Democracy but really if Bribery is legal what chance does voting have at mending our system ?? I'm a liberal sort of guy and I supported Obama because he voiced what was in my heart but I shall not vote in big elections again until bribery is made illegal.

[birdnighter]

We as a nation need to let the powers that be..know that we are no longer going to sit idly by and let the greedy b** t**rds get away with all of this corruption. Even the Supreme Court is on this bandwagon of corporate greed..dispicable. Absolute disgrace.

[azmildman]

@birdnighter And do you know the first thing we need to do? We need to get congress to make it mandatory for television stations to give limited free advertising for politicians, also, people need to report their churches for advertising political messages, especially endorsing a candidate. Then campaign finance reform and this time get RID OF soft money contributions which are LEGAL BRIBERY. John McCain just spent ten million dollars to beat J.D. Hayworth from his own party before primaries.

[melwoolf]

Wake up America. We wonder why so many Americans have cancer, heart and other serious illnesses - look at how we farm! All this industrial farming is disgusting and bad for our health. There should not be any lobbying from any business - it should be illegal. Why should the individual be less important? We no longer are a true democracy - an oligarchy is our country's mode of government. Until we decide to change big business making all decisions - Americans wil continue with deaths of all types

[carinski1]

Great story thanks.

[BeatleFanManiaAJ]

Excellent Video -- illuminating and Powerful. A Must-See !!!!

[bonanzaking1]

Welcome to the Brave New Corpocracy aka fascism. This is the world the corporate sponsored Tea Party endorses.

[rernst2]

It's pieces like this that they want to kill net neutrality for. You can be certain that Faux News will be streaming and Greenwald blocked.

[PhiberOptik001]

Look---Rick Scott just spent $50 million to win a primary election to the U.S. Senate

The current salary (2010) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year. Duhhhhhhh.....god knows how much nominee Scott will pay to run in the general election against Alex Sink. The fact Scott was involved when HCA had to repay millions for Medicare fraud is apparently not relevant to Florida voters. Bought and sold in the markletplace like so many sheep.

[50fordor]

At least we still have a voice and I platform with the internet. Keep it free.

[bingramtube]

@50fordor yes indeed, keeping the internet nuetral is probably the most important tool we (thepeople) have to protect our rights.

[RDMinSC]

@bingramtube Neutral? The most important tool? To protect our rights?

I agree 100% it should stay neutral.

However, that it's the "most important tool" for the purpose of being able to "protect our rights," I do not agree with, at all.

But then, I'm 53 this week, and remember much of my life without the Internet, and am fully aware of what we used to accomplish, without it.

IMHO, we are lulled into a false sense of security, believing all too readily that our "online petitions" and things...

[gewel]

@RDMinSC i have also heard that online petitions and emails are largely ignored, at least by the officials that need to read them. they are read and summed up by other staff. yes, some officials do get involved with things they have an agenda for.

calling and showing up in person is a much more effective offense. it takes a lot of work mind you. work that the majority of us don't want to do. but even thinking like that needs to change.

things won't change until people do.

:)

[dotymed]

@gewel , I guess you have not understood anything about this post. It is about PUBLICLY FINANCED ELECTIONS so real Americans are represented, not corporations. This post is not about hate and bigotry. It is an inability of people to "see the big picture", just like your reply represents, that is mainly why we cannot get real elections. Quit getting sidetracked by the "wedge issues" and think about WHY...

[gewel]

@dotymed: i guess i don't know how this is Public Financed when @ 2:17, 3:55, 5:57, 6:28. 7:01 & 7:14 show that Corporations are basically buying what they need under the guise of certain laws that make everything work out.

plus in my reply RDMinSC there is nothing about hate and bigotry.

also what 'wedge' issues are you referring to? have lived through 6 presidents so far and i keep seeing that the same thing happen.

until people change things wont.

[gewel]

albert einstein said: “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”

on the Fair Elections Bill it states: "The bill would allow federal candidates to choose to run for office without relying on large contributions, big money bundlers, or donations from lobbyists, and would be freed from the constant fundraising in order to focus on what people in their communities want."

It's still a choice to run on corporate $ or public $.

[gewel]

As citizens that do not want what we just watched and things like it to keep happening should vote for the candidates that run on public financing. but it's still a choice.

the system is showing fatigue and the citizens that pay into the system (all of us) are getting tired as well. if big business keeps going the way they have, their finance base (us), are going to lose in the end. if people cannot make a decent wage how can we put that wage back into the system.

[gewel]

something needs to happen in a big way. it's all of us that are going to need to make that happen. we need to tear ourselves away from our comfort zone and work very hard as a whole to make a difference. without us, every politician and business would not exist. we need to be the change we want to see in the world (-gandhi)

yes, paper ballots and passing rules on the FCC are great ideas. we need every citizen to stand up and work hard to make these things happen.

[azmildman]

@gewel We first need to have Term Limits on all appointed offices in congress. No one can be there for life anymore. Then the soft money contributions don't need to be limited, they need to be STOPPED altogether because that is legal bribery. The problem is, how do we get congress to change the rules about themselves? We need to go "in mass" to our nation's capital and lobby in our own behalf for change, not just expect congress to make rules to limit their own power, that will never happen.

[gewel]

@azmildman Absolutely, we do need to go ourselves & we need to go in huge #'s. are there organizations that have the logistics laid out? even on a small scale? Term Limits is excellent, again we need to go in mass to get things like changed. fear is what holds people back, lack of knowledge & the desire for pleasurable things while they suffer through the mess we all created.

i find it boring and sad that we have allowed ourselves this way of life and thinking, we are better than this

:)

[azmildman]

@gewel How about this. We could call ourselves the Have Nots Vs. the Haves, we vote, too. If you don't quit selling our country out, we are going to call for a giant recall effort. We believe the tea baggers have the right idea although they are blaming the wrong people. Demand free, limited, political announcements and nothing further. Then they would HAVE TO campaign on the issues, not the hype. We don't want to make lobbying illegal but make it illegal to get paid for doing it.

[gewel]

@azmildman both the ideas sound great. it's amazing how many people would get on to a ticket to do something like this. it's the planning and organization and how to bring the info to the right persons is what keeps more people from doing this more often. the closer you get to that world the more tape you can get bound in. it's crazy how it all works. thanks for 'dumb argument' i will check that out.

the more we all live for respect and truth the more things will shift.

:)

[azmildman]

@gewel I suggest that anyone who is concerned go to dumb argument dot com (with no spaces) and sign up, make a comment and suggest whatever you think would be a good idea for what we need for solutions in Washington, D.C. in congress.

[bingramtube]

@dotymed agreed. The horriable thing about the tactic of creating wedge issues is its power. Its an OLD tactic but it still works so well at dividing us. If I was corparate america I'd use it too.

[bingramtube]

@RDMinSC Holy Moly you are old ! How come you STILL hanging around breathing our air....(joke) Actually I'm so old (64) I can remember when the world liked and respected America. Now lots of the world think of us as monsters willing to put a missile into a apartment building full of woman and kids and claim 'we were striking terroist' or torture prisoners and laugh gleefully in the pictures. Until we do something about these crimes, WE are guilty also.

[RDMinSC]

@bingramtube ...actually accomplish anything. I read an article not too long ago, I wish I'd kept the URL, for you, that documented a study on this very thing, and said that politicians pay online petitions NO ATTENTION AT ALL.

[bingramtube]

@RDMinSC thanks for the Imput. But I never thought of 'online petitions' which I agree are of no use except to show us there are others who feel the way we do ! What I was referrring to was mostly online communication between citizens, like we are doing right here. Let me tell you that intelligent writing makes a differance in others attitudes. So continue speaking the truth and don't ARGUE with drunks or Idiots. The internet is mankind waking up.

[duanescot]

freakin sad, the average person has no say in the US any longer, we're regulated and controlled to no end, it's enough to make you sick

[bingramtube]

@duanescot Yup. The horriable part is that humans are so willing to be fooled. So willing to go along with the 'group think'. so afraid to be 'taking a stand'. The Big weapon used to control us is TV. TV is all about making you feel insecure, yes its entertaining so we will watch it and every commercial is an attempt to make you feel like you NEED something to be complete or to have friends that like you. Why ?? because a secure man dosn't buy alot of new STUFF.

[duanescot]

@bingramtube Yup you are totally correct, I used to really think, "what is wrong with these people", but then I've come to realize, that most humans are just this way, and it's really the free thinking person who is the exception, not the rule, at least in this modern age, so basically, we are all in a lot of trouble because the group think sheep are going to drag us along with the elitists will clawing and screaming down into the pit of despair and control, keep your powder dry :), may need it

[iTellYouNoLie]

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